Cheap airbrush vs a branded iwata airbrush
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- In this video we test a cheaper 'no name' airbrush and see how it performs in relation to a Iwata HP-CS eclipse.
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I have the createx cx1. Why can't i remove the aircap without removing the whole nozzle?
I'm 77 years old and been painting since teenager. Made some money and had them all. Hands down, the only one I'd buy again is Paasche VL. Solid and sturdy and easy to afford and last I checked , still made in Chicago!!! Have an able friend rig up a refrigerator compressor and your off to the races. And, forget all that trap about special paints and use acrylics and start counting profits instead! I've got a shirt that's 40 some years old! And with any brush care and cleaning is important.
That's what I've been having a hard time trying to figure out what paint to buy. So I just bought some cortex water base acrylic for $ 20 bucks for red, green, black, blue, yellow, white to get myself started I'll learn as I will go along maybe I paid to much. They might have some paints at Wal Mart I didn't even check. I just want to use this air gun and supplies that went with it. Few diffrent air brushes I have no idea who makes them it was all given to me. Like you said just clean it up when your done and take care of it. That's what everyone was telling me as long as you keep it clean up before putting it away.
@@snoopu2601 Paint does matter though. Acrylics are great, but if you do small work like figures then get good quality ones with fine pigment or otherwise you will be messing around with your airbrush and your airflow and your thinners trying to figure out why you can't get the result you want. I love Valejo paints since the quality is great and they can be thinned down a lot while still painting very well so they last me forever.
I'm 27yrs in and first started with Badger 150/Paasche VL/ Thayer & Chandler Vega...the only one I can still fire up from those days and handle a hustle is the VL. The Vegas were just as good, I just can't find any of mine and I had a manifold of 6🤔 I first got my Iwata Eclipse in 97' it's the only match to the VL parts and performance wise...but if I want to go commando w/ a single airbrush, I'd pull out my all chromed out VL with the snub air cap/button trigger/cutaway handle official Paasche mods and single airbrush a tshirt hustle quick, I know one half second plug to a cleaner bottle, she's ready for any color in the hue range.
Eclipse takes just a little longer still despite their floating nozzle design.
That's fine if you want a siphon feed, which isn't for anyone. The Talon or Vision are better for a little more. And paint quality and composition IS important. 40 years ago you didn't have access to the stuff we do now, and it matters because its better.
Hey how do you make money with the airbrush painting?
I’ve been airbrushing for 47 years. What I’ve learnt is the basic principles of how an airbrush works is the same no matter the make or price of a unit. A plastic body vs a metal one makes no difference. What does effect the quality of work out of any airbrush is how the paint is thinned, air pressure and technique. None of this has anything to do with the so-called “quality” of the airbrush.
what the best airbrush machine to buy?
I appreciate you posting this. The “we’re going to compare *this* clear piece of garbage to a name brand airbrush who’s company has clearly given me a kickback” comparison videos are tiring at best and misleading at worst.
I agree. I've not tried airbrushing yet, but as an artist a pencil is a pencil. In fact if you can learn on a "lower quality" tool, moving up to a pricer one is a bonus, but the basic techniques and understanding the basic tool is what really matters.
Sorry but you're full of it. I've used everything from an Aztec brush to a paasche, vega 2000, and my to go to brush the hpc Iwata. I can tell you that it makes a huge difference in the brush you use. That's fact. And a plastic airbrush is as useless as tits on a mouse. Try running solvents through one then let those out there know what you think after those solvents start breaking down your brush components. As far as water based paints think about it. Acrylic paint running through a plastic unit. Plastic paint tends to stick to plastic parts rather well. Makes cleaning a bitch. been painting automotive pieces for a while and I'd never use a plastic airbrush.
@@mikeklug3369 you may in fact be right, but it doesn't make you a better artist. It may make you a quicker artist, and be of less hassle, but the tool alone is not the important thing. I have also heard that Iwata is a superior brand :) If you move from an iwata to a cheaper, almost marginal, airbrush your work will suffer a great deal until you adapt to the specific eccentricities of the new tool.
it's great how far the cheaper products have come,
having a pretty low entry barrier will definitely help more people get into the hobby/art
Yes agree and it is great to encourage more people to get into airbrushing
I just bought a $20 airbrush, we'll see how it goes when it gets here
@@TheAechBomb What airbrush is it? A 20$ airbrush sounds crazy!
@@brandurr7630 www.amazon.com/dp/B00EKUU0WY/
it's a top-feed Master airbrush, and it's OK for what I needed (mostly just base coats and basic detail)
it's not perfect but I'd say it's worth the $23 if you just need it for basic stuff like I do
Till you realize you need to buy a compressor. Whoo....
4:14 Begin the airbrush review.
(No more talking).
Yep....lol always either too much or too little info
Thank god!
@@AirbrushAsylum it isn't the amount of information that makes people crazy, it's the repetition.."we've preloaded it with thinned out paint".....15 seconds later "the paint is pre thinned and ready to go" "some people just want to use it to fill in background on canvas or whatever"...20 seconds later..."like I said some people might just want to fill in backgrounds" ....I think you probably just need to work on editing your videos and it'll be fine.....constructive criticism for what it's worth.
@@AirbrushAsylum no matter WHAT you'll have critics. I don't mind repeated info.... many REQUIRE that... I personally enjoy your videos...
@@AirbrushAsylum nah, the dude is a dumb ass, you'll spend the whole video not knowing which one is the one that costs 10 times more. if he wanna watch someone paint, go watch bob ross.
The Iwata HP-CS is my workhorsre. I have had mine since 2008 and have only needed to replace the needle, nosle and the part that grips the needle. I love it.
Yes fantastic airbrush as an all rounder and it can also create fine details when needed 👍🏻
I learned how to use my airbrush in this clip than all the tips and tricks clips I’ve seen so far.. nice ...
Lol, that’s great that it helped
Excellent!!!! I was looking at that exact red airbrush online yesterday (it comes in gold & black colours too) but I wasn’t sure, never done airbrushing before so didn’t wanna spend a fortune straight up but obviously wanted something that wasn’t completely useless either.... Perfect video for me, THANK YOU!!! ☺️💜
Main thing I have always told students about airbrushes and the buying there of. 1) The end result is 80% the actual artist's abilities. I have made some cheap equipment work for demos (I was paid to do) by upping the air pressure and thinning down the medium. 2) The quality of the paint/medium used (5%). (an example; Fabric paints are a pain for fine detail images) Water colours are so simple to spray detail with. 3) The airbrush accounts for around 15% in most cases.
When purchasing an airbrush: A) is it for hobby work or the other end, professional markets. B) where are you located in the world... can you drive down the road and pick up spare parts, if it comes from overseas and you drop that baby in the middle of a job ... you see my point?) C) Reality check, can you afford the high end and it's replacement needles/tips. an example; a high end EFBE German airbrush tip and needle set is well over $100 AUS while a Sparmax set is around 35-40 bucks.
Finally, always remember the airbrush doesn't make the art great, you do. I've been doing it for over 50 years and at one time or another I've been a service agent for Olympus, Paasche, Iwata, EFBE and Sparmax here in Australia. I own two AB Turbo's (no longer made), 4 EFBE (all sizes, including the 0,15mm), several Paasche (all sizes and models) about 8 Sparmax with the SP-35 my favorite. A very old HPC, (that I changed the packing washers to allow me to use solvent base paints) and two HPBs. Had a Micron, got rid of it as the EFBE 0.15 was able to do finer detail.(again personal choice)
So to sum it up, buy the best you can afford, from a company near your location, that will handle your type of work. And practice all the time ... and then practice some more. DON'T TRUST THE GUY OR GAL AT THE ART STORE SELLING IT! Odds are they are sales reps, not airbrush experts. You can read the box, and that's what they are doing ;) ...
Yes Ken so true, the artists ability definitely makes all the difference 👍🏼
Now you are the kind I would love to learn from, is there a site which displays some of your work? I really want to see it, thanks
Mate, I suffer from wounds I got in Vietnam (101st Airborne, Strike Force) which have forced me to retire. I've just set up my new studio and purchase on a fine art printer, Drew Blair and JW Baker both told me this was the unit to buy so in time I will be selling Limited edition of wild life art Under Airbrush Ken. Airbrush Asylum is run by a great guy down in Victoria ... sadly not as cool as Sydney, but he never listens to me ... lol ... I am serious about practice makes the artist. You have to train your muscles to respond without forethought. It's magic when you look at an image you are trying to create and just drop the pressure/pinch the air hose, move a few mills further from the surface, without thinking about it, because you've trained you muscles to react to your visual input. I love to paint, I'm in 7th Heaven working with ease , creating what I visualize. It's like pinstriping. Feeling the pull of the paint on the surface ... after lots of practice it become second nature. I paint usually 4-5 days a week, in the past many weeks 7 days ... it's not work, it's love. Good Luck
I could not agree with you more my friend, and thank you for your service in vietnam I missed going in the draft by just a few months I cant imagine the hell you endured. I have the utmost respect for you, sir.
Thank you for your service, sir I could not agree more and as you said, It's a labor of love I wish I had started earlier and had more time to do it more! I could never stop.
What's the most important part of an airbrush? The person using it.
Yes but the paint atomization must be good or youre paintings wont look that good even if you are a good painter.
Cool I haven't airbrushed in nearly 30years and a lot of systems and paints have changed over the years and now I'm trying to get back into it again. Going to go with a cheep system for now and practice again. Thanks for the info.
👊🏻😜
I just started again after a 22 year layoff
Great video. The problem with the cheaper airbrushed is the longevity. Because they use rubber bushings, if you use cellular service or lacquer thinner it will destroy the rubber eventually.
Good point thanks for the comment 👊🏻
That shadow under the words is really impressive
Lol thank you 🙏🏻
I recently purchased this same Iwata airbrush. I have gone a number of the cheaper ones as well. The thing that never seems to get mentioned is the Iwata is a lot easier to clean. It is as if it has a special coating that keeps the paint from sticking to it. Definitely worth the extra money.
Thanks appreciate the comment 👊🏻
I think it is just because of the nice, chrome plating, that's about it, really
I own 4 Master airbrushes and they average a price of around $30 each on Amazon, and as long as you take care of them and treat them right these work fantastic, and for the price if you dropped one by accident its cheaper then replacing a $120+ Iwata model.
I have heard many good things about Master airbrushes I have never used them but have heard lots of people talking about them. Thanks for your comment 👍🏻
Sir can you tell me the model of your 30$ Master airbrush please? Would like to get one to start learning. Thanks in advance.
About 4 years ago, I decided that I wanted to try a side feed but was afraid to spend big money on a brush that I wouldn't like - so I bought a Master SB86.
It wasn't too bad out of the box, but because replacement needles are cheap, I decided to experiment...
A little black magic marker on the needle tip (to make sure I followed the right angle), about 10 seconds in the drill with 3000 grit (at LOW speed), followed by another 20 seconds or so with some Flitz to polish it up, and now it preforms as well as my Iwata.
No more $200 - $500 airbrushes for me.
If I had all the money I've spent on top dollar airbrushes since I started back in 1981, I'd have dozens of Masters right now. LOL
(Still not quite sure I like the balance/feel of a side feed though)
@@fabiorodrigues890
Take a look at the G44.
Thanks for the answer friend but in the meantime i bought a H&S and i couldnt be more happy with it.
Once again many thanks mate ;)
It all falls down to user preference and user skills plus budget. I still use cheapos for my model painting because I feel like I am not worthy to have an expensive one yet lol, no joke. Yet maybe in the years to come I might buy a branded one once I level my skills up to jet, tank and car models. One thing the cheapos teach you is to clean your airbrush thoroughly and never skimp on it because you know it's gonna mess up if you don't. Thank you for this vid! 👍
Cheap one worked like shit right from the first lines. Nice of you to be so diplomatic in reviewing it
I just bought that one at Amazon some weeks ago and I love it :3 I just use the airbrush to apply sealant and change the skin colour of my dolls and I NEVER thought my aribrush was able to do such fine lines xD I learned something today!
Thanks for your comment and glad you are enjoying the airbrush and glad you found the vid helpful 😉👍🏻
I bought that red cheap AB too. I'm glad I did. It's smooth :D I'll move up when i breaks :D
Sir, cannyou please link it? Thanks alot ✌🏼
@@fabiorodrigues890 its all over aliexpress, you can find one under 5 minutes
@@slipknotfan2217 thanks mate i already bought one KKmoon and im very happy. Thanks again ✌🏼👍🏼
@@fabiorodrigues890 no problem, im also looking to buy a kkmoon airbrush
Anyone know the reason why my ab is working with water but not paint even if I thin it I've also cleaned it out and the needle doesn't go in unless I take the nozzle out 1st please let me know also I got that cheap one
I love my cheap 20$ airbrush for big things like primer, rough shading or terrain. Anything fine where consistency is important; nope. Being cheap means I can abuse it without feeling guilty and it's so simple it is surprisingly sturdy. It was my first one which did cause me some problems trying to learn airbrushing. It took me a long while to figure out wether a problem was because of me or because of my cheap airbrush. Most problems were because of me (not thinning paint well enough or wrong pressure) but after trying everything I found out that my cheap brush is simply inconsitent with fine work, despite polishing the needle etc. So learning to airbrush with a cheap brush..well it has pros and cons.
Yes, well said ...cheap is ok if you want to just give airbrushing a go or use the airbrush for a short period of time to spray a few backgrounds or blends and then bin it...investing in a quality airbrush will always pay off in the long run. 👍🏻
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO. a lot of us beginners can't afford the IWATA yet.
No probs glad you found it helpful 👍🏼
An alternative to Iwata is Badger, and NO there not paying me. They are reasonably priced and of great quality.
As a modeler, the Iwata is a god-sent. The paint consistency is just so much better than a cheap airbrush. Still, one can only appreciate a good airbrush after using 2 or 3 bad ones.
Thanks for your comment 👍🏼
Agree Dude im a user of iwata esclip..its absolutly amazing
Very nice review.
I would never expect a $20 airbrush to perform at the level of a $200 airbrush.
That said for those on a tight budget, just starting out, or willing to polish the needles, oil the trigger, and make sure the I rings are not flattened or destroyed these should do well.
You make your living with this tool, so having the best available makes sense.
I think for Amy artist when you get to the point where you feel the cheep one is holding you back, you have saved up for a nice Iwata.
Yes agree, it was interesting to give them a go and it will be interesting to see how this cheap one lasts the distance, I think if you are unsure of whether airbrushing will be something that you would pursue then the cheap option is a great way to start 👍🏼
Airbrush Asylum it would be interesting. Here in the U.S. we have the master airbrush brand. I think if you shoot water based paint like createx / wicked / Auto colors they should last. They do sell needles and parts for the brand here, so that is a good thing.
I have a pachee siphon feed from the early 80's I am getting started with.
Psst or a nice Badger lol
I'm just amazed you did all that with no "spittle" from the brush. Every time I use an airbrush I have to spray to the side every time I pause to get rid of any build up. Makes me think I'm doing something wrong!
Scott Sproul He keeps the air flowing all the time thru the brush (trigger depressed). That prevents the build-up on the tip of the needle that causes splatter. But if you want to work in that manner, make sure you have a good compressor.
Thanks , it is true using the double action technique correctly will help to minimize tip dry and in turn stop spitting of the brush and as the other comment also mentioned a compressor that can adequately provide consistent airflow will help dramatically 👍🏼
Great review. Thanks for making it.
I mostly just paint models, so I didn't want to spend a fortune on an airbrush. I've been using cheapos for about thirty years. Ten years ago, I bought a $100 dual action airbrush. It works really well for the price. I still have a couple of $15-$20 syphon-fed airbrushes that I use for basic work, such as when I want to paint entire pieces a single colour. They're easy to clean because they can't be taken apart very much. I just run some white spirits or water through the cheap brushes & use a cotton bud to get into the tricky areas. The dual action airbrush is syphon or gravity fed. I prefer gravity fed. It's a pain to clean though, because there are about 20 parts. I like to give that a proper cleaning after each session of using it.
in everything in my life i have noticed that theres always a sweetspot for price to performance, and after that the price just goes exponentially for a linear shift in performance.
Thanks for your comment 👍🏻
I bought this red airbrush. Came with a stuck trigger and a bad needle. So expect hit or miss with them. Now repaired it works great with a .2mm set. Parts are cheap and easily found. Best regards!
Yes, pretty much the case with most of the cheaper brushes you definitely get what you pay for 🤞🏻👍🏻
Please don't get me wrong. We are all forced to work on our airbrushes. It was fixed with a new needle and a little work. Now it works absolutely great. Would I recommend cloned airbrushes? Yes, anyone who has even minimal airbrushing experience can get clones working fantastic. Regardless of how much we spend, they all need constant attention. I have favorite ones, they range in price from $15 usd to $500 usd. But a $500 usd airbrush out of the box needs nothing but skill! Best wishes and regards sir!
Having used various cheap and "name" Iwata, H&S, Badger, and Paasche, Aztek airbrushes over the decades, the point of the video is well taken, especially for "non precise" work where the airbrush is not planned to last, or is basically doing the work of a spray can... IMO there are three main differences between name and cheap airbrushes
1) If fine line accuracy is needed, cheap units won't cut it,
2) replacement parts. They can be difficult/impossible to get for no name brushes, turning them into paperweights when a part goes south. We know we will be able to buy a new Iwata needle or nozzle for decades to come... with el cheapo brands, such a task will be a major challenge, as replacement parts are unlikely to be easily available.
3) Quality control on "name" airbrushes is universally higher than no name units. Getting a "good" one is definitely more a matter of rolling the dice than good QC from the factory
Yes , thank you appreciate the comment 👍🏼
I have one of the budget or starter annodized ones. It did ok as a beginner brush but I upgraded to a much more expensive one. I am still rubbish. So can't blame the brush. Although the cheap one is still fine! Still works great and no issues. No flaking yet
That’s great to hear and glad you are still having fun airbrushing 👍🏼
Airbrush Asylum yes bud, I have used it on many projects, but trying to draw is another thing all together.
You need to buy those Asian pencils - they'll make you a much better artist ;)
I've found that the primary issue with the cheaper tools is quality control. Sometimes you get a fantastic value. But sometimes you get a total POS that isn't even properly threaded
Fully agree. I bought one and it never turned on out the box. Probably a faulty switch or circuit board.
I have an HP-CS for around 8 years now, and it's fantastic for the money as the best starter brush. After I outgrew it, I stepped up to a Micron CM-C+ V2 which is truly something you can appreciate once you have those thousands of hours spraying, and to take it a step further my other Micron CM-SB V2 is an even further improvement. I earned my B.A. in Art Studio with those brushes, Iwata has always been my go to, and always will be. But, like you said their are few of us that are full time artists, and need that kind of performance day after day.
Yes...this is SO true, many people don’t want to even spend $100 on a brush ‘to see if it something that they may enjoy’ therefore a cheaper alternative is a great way to ‘have a play’ then when you are hooked you can then buy a reputable brand. I have all of those brushes mentioned and agree totally that the CS eclipse is a great all rounder but once your skill improves you really can’t go past a micron 😜👍🏼
Whats the difference, they are essentially the same airbrush? I have two Hp cs and they never fail, no matter the application. The micron has a slightly smaller needle ? The design is almost identical though from what i see.
Hey bro thanks for the info I was thinking of air brushing I had a accident that damage the nerve of my right hand witch I used to draw with and my left can't control the motion to use a pencil but I miss drawing it was my escape and constantly having ideas and images in my head to put on paper that's why I was thinking of airbrushing I lost my job because of the accident so thinking of purchasing a cheaper brush machine thanks brother God bless
Thanks appreciate the comment 👊🏻
I have the Iwata HP-CS. My all time favorite airbrush.
I also have a fake version of Iwata's top end detailing brush - it's priced at roughly $30 on Amazon.
It is very well made for the price point and performs quite well as long as you take very good care of it as with anything.
Between the two, i find that Iwata is much easier to clean.
Looking at the spray patterns up close, the Iwata has a much finer atomized spray but I'm not too concerned with that when I'm customizing shoes.
Great video!
the cheaper "noname" ahem (HUBEST) air brush would work good and in some cases damn good for most model kit paint jobs, the "fuzzy" lines would help ass to patterns and blending more.
Thing is about the cheap airbrush is what the internals are like how big is the feed hole in the bottom of the pot needle and parts quality. Getting parts can also be tough or impossible and yes you'll go through some needles. If you can afford a decent brush I'd go with that if not yet the cheaper ones. I personally like Badger their and it in and get it fixed policy and knowledge of their projects is very good. I see you picking at the needle with your finger nail easy to bend a tip doing that. I cut a small piece of cheap sponge damp with Windex hold out between two fingers in the of hand and clean the dried paint quick with it. Works great and has saved a shit ton in needles.
Great insight and tips thanks for sharing your comment 👌🏻
I saw that video. I like the way you use the sponge.. your "most recent newbie video" ... I'm not NEW now... but, I'm "young to airbrush" ... so.. I still take a gander at "newbie videos" ... I Really liked the photo frame practice board... very interesting..
@@influentialolive Yeah I bought a large picture frame with glass I throw in a paper with lines dots ect to try and follow. The glass is very easy to clean and start all over again. Also painting on the smooth glass surface makes you really control your flow very handy way to train up.
I hope you do an updated comparison. I think a lot of cheap AB releases has improved after 2 years since your comparison review. I wonder how the new cheap ones compares to the branded ones
The difference about cheap airbrush vs Iwata is longevity and durability. Cheap Airbrush will falls apart easily and affected performance.
Which you always need buy a new one to have peak performance.
Very true, you do get a quality product from iwata which will stand the test of time 👍🏻
I have owned cheap and my current line of iwata and while cheap brushes will perform for the first little while but break down quite easy after a few uses, you get what you pay for
I did a review of the red airbrush. Google Don's airbrush tips if you're curious. Mine wouldn't spray until I reworked it. But, now it sprays OK. You are right, it doesn't do lines as fine as the Eclipse even though it has a smaller nozzle. Quality of these is hit or miss.
Hi Don, thanks for your comment and I did check out your review , fantastic information and agree totally with everything that you mentioned, if you don’t mind I would like to link your review in the description of the video as I believe it would be very helpful to viewers.
PS : I would imagine these all vary from batch to batch as my packaging was recycled cardboard rather than the plain white box which I noticed when taking a look at the video review you linked to.
Cheers and keep up the good work 👍🏼
@@AirbrushAsylum Thanks for the comment on the review. If you would like to add a link, that would be great. I will add a link to your video on my page. The more information people have, the better.
No probs thank you and I will get that link on there as soon as possible 👍🏼
yes... this is as helpfull as comparing a beetle with or versus a ... porsche !
they both do the same thing ...but there is the quality factor...thus the PRICE ... no news here.
just remember an airbrush is a tool , the performance of a tool depends on the skills of the person using it.
Yes, good points 👊🏻
Oh wow... just realized I need to buy the air pump now.
It helps if you polish the needle and make sure it is clean. Airbrushes are not real complex and mostly the different price points are in quality controls at the factory. The detail work will be better with a well maintained airbrush whether it is a cheap or expensive one.
I am an Iwata fan but any time I am experimenting with a chin knock off and I run across something useful, I order a spare and use it for parts.
You will rarely find single parts but these things are so cheap that ordering an extra for parts is a no brainer.
I admit that for the perfectionist and the person with money a branded airbrush like iawata is a good buy, but for those of us on very limited budgets cheaper airbrushes are our only way of having an airbrush to give us the ability to produce results that are for our own enjoyment, so my advice is buy an airbrush that you can afford without breaking the bank, and once you get more experience and decide you want a better result then upgrade, if you can afford to, but most importantly, look after your airbrush, no matter how much it cost, and it will last longer than most tutorial videos imply when they review cheaper brushes, and remember that just because it has a swanky name on it, it does not mean it’s no good, sometimes it’s the operator that is no good. The whole idea of the users craft/hobby etc is to enjoy the process and be happy with the end result, it’s your project, and the end result needs to please you, nobody else, unless you are doing commercial work then of course it has to please the person paying for it, otherwise just enjoy the process and the finished work.
Yes, well said i would rather someone buy a cheaper brush before investing large $ in something that they may only do once or twice. You can always upgrade later once you have had a chance to try the airbrush, that said you can’t totally compare the level of performance that a cheaper brush can handle so keep in mind that a better tooled branded brush will allow you to do so much more than a cheaper brush ever can 👍🏻😉
Airbrush Asylum, yeah 100% agree, I didn’t make that clear at all, my mistake. 😀👍🇬🇧🏴
I have airbrush painted for over 20 years and bottom line if you want an airbrush that will last (durability) and perform well every time go with Iwata. I have used many of the others and if you want to go cheaper because you want to try it out then a cheap airbrush could be a fit. Cheap airbrushes also work fine if you rarely airbrush. With any airbrush though keep it clean and maintained or even the best ones will give you issues if you ignore them.
I know this video is old in internet terms, but thanks for the heads up. I'm a beginner at airbrush painting , but since my bday's coming up it's a good excuse to grab myself the Iwata Eclipse to replace my shitty single action siphon feed. Like my father always says, a good worker has good tools.
I have used both. I had an Eclipse , and an Iwata micron B. There is no comparison. The control with the Micron is outstanding. BUTTTT,If your not doing detailed artwork the Eclipse is a good brush . Ive used it for sign work and its pretty good for that. For doing airbrush murals on bike tanks , You cant beat the Micron for small work , However, The Micron isn't as good with the sign work because its a much smaller and finer spray
Yes, the micron is fantastic but it also helps to have somewhat mastered the airbrush in order to really reap its full benefits. I agree the Eclipse is such a fantastic brush, I recommend this one to my students 👍🏻
it would help alot to polish that needle on the cheeper one those needles are rough try the polishing compound and see if it doesnt come out smoother
Yes great tip
I just want to say thanks. I bought two expensive airbrushes for painting Warhammer miniatures. Now I think I probably could have gone cheap airbrushes. But the hobby I am in is not exactly conducive to cheap decisions. Hopefully my Iwata Brushes will be good for some more segmented painting and zenithal highlighting or overbrushing for dust and dirt effects.
I know the Iwata's are good and all, but that red finish is super sexy
Yes it is lol 👍🏼
As far as these guns go, most people only benefit using them for shadowing. So even the cheaper ones for $20 will work fine
Yes definitely if you are not planning on using it for art or really intricate details then the cheaper option will work just fine 👍🏻
The final result of the piece is @ 85% the skill of the artist.
Buy cheap and practice, practice, practice...
Then, after you've decided airbrushing is for you, save up for a better model.
I have been using a red airbrush for some time now. His main problem is that he does not have a needle seal behind the paint container. With prolonged painting, this leads to the fact that the paint from the tank is blown to the trigger, dirtying the inside of the airbrush. And another problem with rubber seals, they are not resistant to aggressive solvents and chemicals.
I bought this airbrush on sale for about $ 10, but still I continue to do most of the work with more expensive, albeit also Chinese, airbrush for $ 20.
Thanks for your comment and your info re: the red airbrush. I agree, I think most of the Chinese brushes are basically a ‘lucky dip’ all in all the majority of the cheaper brushes are really only going to serve a basic purpose ie, adding basic shading, base colour and or backgrounds that said this may be enough for some people but I would recommend saving and spending the money on a name brand once you know that the airbrush is something that you will use long term. I am planning on doing an artwork with the red airbrush to show that it could still produce artwork 👍🏻😉
I constantly tell everyone that you don’t need to release such lessons! Practice drawing at once children's drawings! And immediately will be gained a great experience in a short time. Hello to you from Russia.
Drawing well with a simple pencil definitely helps in any kind of art
Thank you for this video and all of the vids you have posted, because of you I've started airbrushing again after several years. Also, I truly respect your honesty when doing comparisons of equipment. You give us noobs hope knowing that we don't have to break the bank to start airbrushing.
BTW, with your talent you could probably spray ink through a turd and still create a beautiful work of art 😀
I think cheap airbrushes are not meant for beginners. They are meant for experience users with substantial knowledge about airbrushes because you need to know how to maintain them, how to identify problems, fix them and tweak them and modify them. A beginner may have a very bad experience if they receive one that has a problem and they dont know how to fix it or even ask the right questions. For beginners though... I would recommend GSI Creos Procon Boy PS-289/270. They are every bit as good as Iwata Hi-Line but cost 1/2 the price. Oh.. they made by the same factory as iwata too.
Yes, fair point...ultimately I agree purchasing a better quality brush if you plan on sticking with airbrushing is always best. The GSI Creos brushes are great I just did a video showcasing the PS.770 th-cam.com/video/mbryeDq0yEI/w-d-xo.html , haven’t tried the models you mentioned but I am sure they are good, thanks for your comment 👍🏻
Just ordered an Iwata HP-CS. Hopefully, it will be better than the Kkmoon airbrushes that I have. 🙏
You mentioned that the cheaper model might work better once it gets broken in a little... How much better, if at all, do you think it would perform if you were to give the needle a really good polishing. I use the Iwata Eclipse HP-CS and it seems to me that it tends to perform better, if I occasionally polish the needle. That was a tip I heard about on a youtube video and I believe the guy said he used beeswax, but I can't remember for sure; however, he was suggesting it as a way to get a cheaper brush to perform more like a much more expensive model. I just use a spray lubricant such as WD-40, or Liquid Wrench. I spray a little onto a soft cotton rag and wipe the needle down and then polish it with a simple 3x5 notecard. I saw a video about how to care for an Iwata specifically and the guy suggested rubbing the needle on glass, but I have found the oil and notecard to a better job, at least for me. Anyway, I would just like to get your opinion. I would like to have another brush and I love the Iwata, but not the price.
No joke, but i been doing commissions for decades and never touched a branded one. All I had these years were 2 generic chinese airbrushes, one 7cc cup & one 9cc cup. Both were 0.3mm sized. Never polished needles, but did replace them each year. Lol maybe one day I'll get a branded one just to be less of an 'outcast'?? =)
Lol... Thanks appreciate the comment 👊🏻
i use the cheap one, and i've learned something from this vid! THX!
Glad you found it helpful thank you for your comment 👍🏼
To be fair I'm not close enough to see clearly but from what ive seen the more expensive brush didnt seem to perform x10 better.
I have both, got the cheap one from AliExpress for $11 and it paints better than my Eclipse, although that could be the fault of the user as well. (cleaning etc)
Sure, you can try the cheap one from Amazon. I tried the $25 version and wasted my money. Valve wouldn't work right out of the box. Replace the valve? The only one I could find that would fit the body at a local shop (couldn't find one online) was $35... quality control is definitely crap with these low-enders and you have a very high chance of buying a paperweight.
Yes , that’s always a risk and I always recommend buying a quality brand if you can afford to do so, that said some people who may only use their airbrush once every now and then, for let’s say doing backgrounds or priming miniatures, then the cheap one is still a great way to give it a go to see if you are going to use it enough or like it and if so then keep that as a spare and grab a quality brush👍🏻
I would go with the iwata hp cs for sure. As with anything They're only as good as the person using them. I don't know if you mentioned it But the iwata comes with a 5 year warrenty also since iwata is a big brand name finding replacment parts is gonna be alot Easier too.
Yes, the Eclipse is such a great brush and not too expensive 👍🏼👍🏼
@@AirbrushAsylum Just picked up one on Amazon it came with the hose a bottle of cleaner, ultramarine blue paint I use Vallejo but still pretty cool and a small tube of superlube for 140.
Your comparation is SO good
i think i got that exact cheap airbrush, there were defects on the nozzle, and after 2 cleanups due to clogging, it broke... i didnt overtighten it or anything, oh... and the o-ring died almost immediately... it was absolute hell
i guess sometimes you can get unlucky with quality. but dont expect it to be a marvel
Yes, any of the cheaper brushes are really hit or miss, I think if you are planning on doing airbrushing for a longer period of time then definitely invest in a better quality brush and with correct maintenance you will have it for years and years. Cheaper brushes like these are really just for short term use and to see if airbrushing is possibly something that you would continue with 👍🏻
Yep, it did that for me. I'm using an Iwata Eclipse CS now, after using those brushes as "proof of concept" of sorts
Have a look online for the 180k airbrush, yes it looks like it's a clone of the top of the line Iwata? See if it is any good. Also autosol metal polish on needles may solve some of the issues, do it carefully of course.
Thanks I will take a look 👍🏼
Cheap airbrushes can be fine if you're willing to buy 3-4 at the same time to guarantee a supply of replacement parts, otherwise I stick with branded.
The last time I damaged an airbrush was doing temporary tattoos at a convention in a small town on a Saturday afternoon, I swapped brushes and was back up in 2 minutes so I could finish the day.
Since I was using an Iwata I was able to get a replacement needle and nozzle at the Mom N Pop art supply store in town to get my main airbrush back in action for Sunday but with any other brand I would have been on pins and needles relying on my backup to not fail.
Yes completely agree with you 👍🏼👍🏼
I dunno. It seems like the red airbrush is less reliable. I bought eclipse and for doing the model work I do it's brilliant. I want to check out badger's Sotar 20/20, too.
Yes I had a sotar 20/20 years ago and it was great I am thinking I may need to get one again just for something different 😜
I wished you would have tested them both at 20 psi also. That is where the differences between the two should really begin to show capability wise
I bought the Iwata NEO CN the other day and Hobby Lobby carries all replacement parts. I build model kits is all i airbrush. Airbrushing 1/24 and 1/25 scale kits is alot different from running a t-shirt shop. All ive gotta buy now is another air line for my compressor.
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Just bought one of thoes last weekend myself. Getting compressor this weekend so I can gwet started air brushing
Jeremy Evans - How has been holding up with painting your 1/24 scale models? I see that neo iwata at hobby lobby all the damn time and it just calls me lol.
I didn't know you could use them without tip.. I have a cheap old Badger (20yrs old at least😂) and it seems such a hassle to use.. I build/fly R/C airplanes and boats( well they fly but don't fly😉) so my "canvas " can get quite large.. the cups on the ones you show may not take well to the strange positions like upside down doing under the wing.. lol but I guess better positioning of the plane may help.. I seem to go thru a LOT of paint and can't seem to get precise lines at all... or consistent flow.. I am however thinking with plane water.. have also used windshield washer fluid... may have to step up to the next level,(ok probably several levels lol) and get a modern one.. will check out your Amazon site and watch more videos and continue to experiment!! Thanks
Thanks for your comment and yes I’d recommend thinning with whichever brand of paint you use their compatible reducer as it doesn’t destroy the viscosity of the paint like water will check out this vid for tips on paint reduction which may help you out - th-cam.com/video/M6d3tCSU_XU/w-d-xo.html thanks again and hope you find what you are looking for on our amazon page 👌🏻
Not sure if it’s mentioned but one big difference between the super cheap (below $70ish)and the semi cheap($70+) is the Teflon gaskets which resist solvents much better than any cheaper alternative.
I can't say I love the acoustics in this lavatory.
I least he didn't go for a shit during the video...
Shoots compare & contrast video in worlds longest bathroom stall.
Ya on America Amazon the red one is available for $ 21.21, I bought two of them.
Yep, that’s correct you can also get just the airbrush for about $13 here is the affiliate link if anyone is interested amzn.to/2VIWdIK 👌🏻
Try sharpening and polishing the needle in the cheaper airbrush,drop the presure to arong 15-20 psi and it will perform better and smoother for the finer details.
What size needle did you use ? This is going to mislead a lot off beginners into thinking a high price will make them a pro ,this is not true one bit ,the quality might be better but you still have to know how to use one
You did prove one thing if you have experience any will do the job
Did you tried using the same two airbrushes with some enamel or lacquer (using lacquer thinner)?. Otherwise is just a partial test. Main issue would be the inner seal... over the long run the cheaper brands gets affected by stronger solvents!
Some cheapos are better than others, BUT, you always get what you pay for. Everyone I've seen has a tiny nozzle and are very hard to clean. Check out a Paasche VLS - a tough as nails and perfectly able double action airbrush - I'd chose the .33 needle. You can get a carded variety for under $40 and it will last as long as you will. Parts are cheap and available. Trust me, if you don't need an airbrush, why not get a can on compressed air that comes with a very basic spraying nozzle - do a whole model with one. If you do need one, a break tomorrow Asia variety will not fill your needs for long.
Thanks for your comment and yes, I used to use a Paasche VL when I first started and they are super tough here is a affiliate link if anyone wants to take a look amzn.to/2LsZAjd hope that helps 👍🏼👌🏻
personally, I miss my passche. I replaced it with an iwata, and the iwata just never feels comfortable in the hand, it's so skinny in comparison. they really need rubber grippers on them, especially the button, it's impossible to not slip. I built up glue on the button and slid a rubber grip from a pen up onto the airbrush to help with those issues. performance-wise, it's pretty dang great, but I definitely get tip-drying a lot, something that almost never happened with my passche.
Paasche are great, I actually learned to airbrush with a VL and used it for about 3 years before moving to iwata ...I always urge students to hold different brands so that they can decide what airbrush feels most comfortable in their hand as this is definitely a big factor. 👍🏼
One thing to keep in mind (and this is a fact): Every made-in-japan airbrush, including Iwata, is ultimately made by the same OEM manufacturer: Fuso Seiki
The chinese copies though are another story, but Iwata certainly does not deserve the premium over similar models branded as Gunze or Tamiya.
Appreciate the comment 👍🏼
David Van Cleef Now it makes sense. I bought from Amazon some cheapies as add-on to a larger order. After I unboxed them, I not even wanted to try to use them. No O-ring by the nozzle, the handle screws off-center. Well, I said, good for parts. One day I needed badly a second fine airbrush because I was spraying a three-tone camo and something went wrong. Out of desperation, I pulled out my never used "Ginza Japan" and I used it. I was shocked: it worked as good as my H&S - just needs a little more air pressure!
That's like saying ALL ketchup is the same because the same production place makes it... newsflash, different companies pay for different ingredients and recipes even if its made in the same plant. so generally speaking, you get what you pay for.
In my experience with the cheap airbrush's they always seem to work okay in the beginning but once you take it apart to clean it they always break. Just my opinion
Yep be interesting to see how this one stacks up in the long term 🤞
its not an opinion its an experience, which is imho a bit more valuable ;)
I don't think you can get parts for the cheap airbrush.
@@greenspringvalley Yes you can. I have 3 cheap airbrushes and they started to die one by one. I just take them all apart and reassemble the good parts together and ta-da! XD. You buy another cheap airbrush and use old one for parts - it is cheaper buying 2 or 3 cheap airbrushes than a needle set for a branded airbrush.
Sounds like you’re recording this in an auditorium
Yes I know my apologies , it was recorded a few years ago in our factory with a directional mic, we now use lavaleir mics in a smaller studio so you will notice much better sound quality. Feel free to check out the updated version of this video for a better all round viewing experience 🤞🏻👍🏻 th-cam.com/video/FRuxKu_I27Y/w-d-xo.html
So now, in 2020, I'm interested in how it has held up compared to the Iwata 2 years later.
I’ve heard you can Polish the needle tip on the cheap ones and improve performance even more
Yes I believe you can even though I have never done it myself 🤔👍🏻
Stuffing someone Polish inside the airbrush is just cruel... I would only go as far as a quick clean...
@@AirbrushAsylum - It can, but there's no guarantee. Polishing the needle is only half the job and the (concave) nozzle is more likely the problem, anyway. How are you going to polish it?
Here's a secret: Since I doubt you have any (valve) lapping compound lying around, use tooth paste. It's slower, but it might keep you from over-doing it and destroying the needle.
The best way to do it is to judiciously lap (polish) the needle and nozzle together.
I like the cheaper one.... I have a cheap one and it's works fine for me....
Yes each to their own I am really glad that the cheaper brush has worked well for you all the best and thank you for your comment 👍🏻
Quality of the tools is important only when you reach the limits of your talents. Focus on these, on the tools later. I apply this way of thinking to computers, guitars, airbrushes, gyms, etc.
I got the IWATA NEO and I like the quality of it.But I haven't used it yet.I need a compressor.
That EXACT AB the Red anodized one, also comes in Gold. They R INCREDIBLE!!!! I paid about $10 for each & they out perform my AIrBrushes costing X10 times more!! U have to be careful with the threads on them as they will & can strip easy. I lined them with Teflon tape. They are also EXTREMELY LIGHTWEIGHT , This might be a problem with many that R used to having that weighted feel of as an example: my Paasche “Talon” which weighs 120grams, while the $10 special only weighs 44grams... (Big difference at x3 times the weight) I own several of them & they R my Go-2 AIrBrushes in the shop.....
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PS: I purchased mine on eBay, from China U wait a few weeks, but only pay $10. I located some in Florida for about $14 but received it in 2 days....
Thanks appreciate the comment 👍🏼
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@@richardmcgee6010 where can i get the cheap airbrush
are they any good with solvent based paints?
I’ll be using my airbrush system to do card making background of multiple cards
In the UK the cheap one is £6.99 where the hp-c in £140, that’s X20 more expensive. The question is, is the Iwata 20 times better ?
Very well said and put, I think it really depends on whether the airbrush will only be used for basic backgrounds blends etc..but if you want something that will last and produce art for years to come the iwata is always worth the investment 👍🏻
@airbrush asylum, I need your opinion, Donyoubthink I should invest in a more expensive brush or Chinese brush if all I’m going to do is pruning, base coating and rarely detail. I’m going to do these things a fair amount. Cheers and thanks from NSw
Great question...if you have the spare $ then invest in a better quality brush, if you want an eclipse and you are in NSW then feel free to hit me up and I will see what I can do price wise . airbrushasylum.com.au and send through via our contact form cheers 👍🏻
I have the awata trn1 for my millennium falcon build
I would say, it's a decent airbrush... I don't know if the one red one I have, is THE SAME, I'll have to look... i like my "cheap" air brushes though... until I have the Budget to buy better, I'll stick with the 4 I have...
I won't say, it's All about the materials. Top Dollar Art supplies, won't make non painters, painters, out of the box.. lol
Thanks for your comment and cheap airbrushes do serve a purpose but if you intend to stick at the craft then investing a quality brush will save you in the long run👍🏻
Most airbrushes are almost the same,yes it is about the artist abilities on how small you can get your thin lines to wide lines or shading which most airbrushes do but now here is the catcher you get what you pay for ! Depending if you are using automotive urethane paint the Iwatas are the best cuz they would last you many years vs buying a cheaper brand how long that would last.I bought cheaper brands and they don't last long vs Iwatas are the best and I have airbrushed for 32 yes I'm one of the top dogs I. United States buy Iwatas they are pricy but last very very long timeline
Thanks for your comment and yes agree you can’t go past the iwata as well as some other leading brands 👍🏼👌🏻
im looking for an airbrush. mainly for painting on shoes. i would think that i wouldnt have to use fine likes, more of shading & wider lines. i would probably go with the cheaper one bcuz ive never owned one. i do need to practice. later on i could get a higher quality air brush
Understand totally and as mentioned if you just want to give it a go then the cheaper option will at least get you started 👍🏼 all the best
Thank U for the nice advice , greetings from belgium /europ
`for the price the red one is at id say it had killer performance. i really like the red one, cause of the colour :D but i already have hp-cp, hp-bh, rich 200 and a rich 300. might get that red just for some colour in the box :D
Lol, you have a great collection of professional brushes so I would suggest that the red is purely as a show piece lol as it won’t put perform any of your existing brushes.
I want to start airbrushing gundams so I think the cheap one will do just fine not trying to do fine details just cover large areas
Awesome thanks for your comment 👍🏻
It will last you a few months, talking from experience.
Thanks, interesting to see....especially as a way to try this out...
Thank you and glad you found it helpful 👌🏻🙏🏻
I've had to send back 2 Harder & Steenbeck Ultra's lately as the nozzle fails after a few uses and the bubbles in the cup is a joke.
I got a cheapo made in Taiwan Amazon Airbrush that was about £15 and its had heavy use for a couple of years. I wonder if Harder and Steenbeck can't handle the cleaning . I'm a stickler for cleaning after every use. I only use acrylics etc. Not buying again , If I ever go professional I'd like to know what's robust to handle airbrush cleaner and can do fine detail ( I only do military aircraft )