Gravity vs Siphon Airbrush
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- In this video I discuss the Pro's and Con's between a Gravity vs a Siphon feed Airbrush. Which Airbrush is best for you ? The two airbrushes that I showcase are the HPCS iwata Eclipse (gravity feed) and the Sagola XTECH 500 (Siphon feed).
I hope this video helps you to make a decision on which one suits you best or who knows, you may decide to purchase both ?
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Video Chapters :
0:00 - intro
0:13 - Basic Info
1:12 - Siphon Jar Options
2:28 - Getting Gravity ready to spray
3:08 - Spray Test Gravity
3:46 - Getting Siphon ready to spray
5:18 - Spray Test Siphon
6:52 - Siphon, multiple brushes / bottles info
7:20 - Gravity Spray Pattern with cleaner
7:31 - Siphon Spray Pattern with cleaner
7:39 - Tilting either brush, Pro's & Con's
8:34 - Colour change info
10:50 - Final re-cap
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just started doing airbrushing....started with a syphon feed...I paint mostly larger items so it works great.....after watching this I will be investing in a gravity feed as well as I see myself doing smaller items as well.....thanks for the great information.
Thanks for this. And thanks for getting right to the point -- after two minutes I had all the information I personally needed and I didn't have to watch the rest. I hope TH-cam's algorithms don't punish you for this -- with luck, the comment and thumbs-up will compensate for the "was that even a view?"
The siphon feed set up is so perfect to apply sealer to smaller pieces of furniture, without the dreaded brush stroke marks. It allows you to gety in the little nook and crannies really well too! just gotta add a little water to the topcoat for a more uniform spray. THANK YOU FOR YOUR VIDEOS!!!
Wow you changed my entire outlook on my day. I am trying to cover glass in glow paint as a base I only have a bottom feeder, and everyone was telling me I needed a different brush, that I don't have money for until I sell art which I need the brush for lmao. I have been in a stuck coma for a.few days. I appreciate this alot
I used to build models of everything from tanks to sportscars, and larger balsa models. Your siphon sprayer is a must for super thin and super thick mixtures for detail and texturing surfaces. I have found that I have more control with the siphon systems. They're far easier to maintain as well.
Thanks for sharing. I own both types and found this video to be very informative and helpful. Stay safe and well Artie 😊
I work in glass and use the air brush for spraying glass enamels. I have only recently introduced air brush into my work. I just got a gravity feed and am trying to get use to it. My old brush which I have had for about 40 years is a badger siphon feed. I liked the syphon because I could keep the colors in the jars. It also seemed easier to transition to different colors. I plan on working more with the gravity airbrush and I'm anxious to see how easy color changes are. Working with glass enamels is very different that with other mediums because colors change a lot after firing. Colors can vary a lot in density also. I look forward to more videos about fine tuning the air brush medium and air controls as well as the differences in needles and tips.
Excellent tutorial. Thanks.
You're one hell of an amazing tutor!!!
Thank you so much really appreciate the kind words 👍🏻
Thanks again. I really enjoy learning from you. I use both Siphon and gravity - Iwata - from you.
Thank you for your comment and kind words 👍🏻
I just bought a siphon fed airbrush on the cheap to get started with priming minis. Figured it would be a simple priming/base coating rig for speed painting. Now I realize I can airbrush tee shirts to practice using it.
Once I get a bit more finesse, I'll grab the gravity fed for more detail work.
Siphon feed, used for special effects makeup application. By-the-by, totally loving & learning from your videos. :)
Awesome video answered a bunch of questions
Grandioso trabajo, me encantó su video. Me llegó un paquete de 3 aerógrafos y compresor MASTER, 2 de sifón y 1 por gravedad, con lo aprendido en su video podré cuidar mis trazos y lo que necesite de pintura hacer uso correcto del aerógrafo adecuado. Mil Gracias.
I use both, like you said, depending on the project. I have done some larger signage using the siphon for the big color and switching the the gravity feed for the detail work.
Thank you for your comment and feedback 👍🏻
Oh, very crisp tutorial. Thanks.
It seems like having both would come in handy. I just received my first gravity feed airbrushes. So I am looking forward to giving it a go. I started out painting scale model cars and planes. Just recently got into miniatures and statues. Always wanted to do freehand art but I am still trying to break that mental barrier that limits me. Thanks for the great video.
Great video. Very helpful.
personally for the detail airbrush I use a hybrid'ish setup.... I have a paasche VL series that is the syphon Feed version but i use it with the cup attachment for 90% of the work, its most of the benefits of the gravity feed cup (minus vertical angles) as it goes for quick color changes, but offers up jars as a quick swap out for larger coverage areas. The primary reason I use this brush is simply that it is the one I got some 25+ years ago and learned how to do airbrushing on, and i am just the most conferrable using it, I have about 30 airbrushes but the good'ol VL series is always the go to brush for me. With the numbers of hours i have on it, it feels the best in my hand and I know exactly how the spray pattern will fall. As for use, I have used it on basically everything, from Automotive (cars, bikes, boats, and even an airplane once) to models, paper, t-shirts, miniatures, props, Wood (using stains) and lots of random custom applications like PC's and gaming consoles, tool boxes, shoes, motocross helmets, murals, etc.... (basically any time a friend says hey can you paint this for me and make it look cool) Both large scale applications and small scale. However I do use a combination of the fine airbrush and larger HVLP airbrush systems for the larger coverage areas and solid colors then the detail brush for everything in between, On large stuff I do mainly automotive paints (regardless of application unless there are chemical reactions) with the primer, solid color passes, and masking sections with the HVLP, Switch to the detail brush to make it pretty, and follow up with the hvlp again for the clear coat passes. Again on large areas i use 3 different HVLP brushes as well, (Small medium, and large) depending on the area that needs covered, i.e. small one for helmets, the medium for cars, Big one for walls. But on smaller items and art pieces i use just the detail brush with all kinds of different paints and stains as the big brushes take longer to clean than the time saved with the extra coverage they provide.
Excellant advice m8 will subscribe soon
Thank you for a very informative video, really appreciate it! I have been trying to find a good video explaining the differences but with no luck until now.
I have both version although really cheap ones that I'm using for rc stuff, reason for having the siphon version is that I got a lot of clogging up in the gravity feed one when doing flake paints, now I'm looking at getting a better gravity feed one and a flake buster to do the flakes with :)
What kind of paint are u using? Try with a flow improver in the mix
Very helpful. Thanks!
Siphon cups alleviate some of the issues with the bottles, but still won't compete with all of the benefits of the gravity fed. However, you can get as close to the surface. Rotating the cup gives you more angles when doing detailed work, but not as many as the gravity fed. Like you, I have both. Unlike you, I'm getting back into it for modelling after a long hiatus, so your videos are great reminders and have tips I didn't get before the days of the internet (yes it's been that long 👀). The gravity fed I bought recently goes to a much smaller tip size than my siphon fed, which is another thing that makes it better for fine details.
So, thanks for your tips from someone returning to airbrushing!!!!! Used to do simple t-shirts too, but don't think I'll get back into that. Not enough time.
Great Video. Thank you.
Thank you for your effort; excellent :)
Thank you!
I just bought my first double-action, a gravity feed. I'm looking to learn to do sunburst finishes on musical instruments.
I bought the bottom siphon feed iwata neo for painting Christmas ornaments or bigger projects bought the I wats today September 2
Hi there thanks for the knowledge... greet from Indonesia
Thank you!
Gravity feed for me.....but not one of the side feed😂 I got a great deal on a grex pistol grip side bowl gravity feed and compressor a few years ago. The gun sprayed OK, but very difficult to clean and thinner paint viscosity is mandatory. I’ve now got some Iwata hp-cs, wow, what a difference. Easy clean/color change and very forgiving to paint viscosity😎
No probs glad you enjoyed the vid and thank you for your comment , great choice getting the CS a fantastic brush indeed 👍🏻😉
Thank you very much for all great info. I inherited 2 syphon fed air brushes. A model master and a paasche. I started chainsaw carving about year ago and am looking to take to another lesson. Am doing a pink flamingo for first air brush project. Any advice welcome. Thanks again
Thanks good to know ✌️
I have siphon feed because when I started that's all there was. I now use gravity feed because that's what I favor now. However I still love my H model, a siphon feed, I favor for clear coats. I own several models, I keep different size needles in them. I have a personal color code on the air stem (heat shrink) for the size identity. I model in 1:87 to 1:18 scales, bicycle parts & my car nose's measles (chipped paint). Different paint mediums also require different minimum needle sizes.
Excellent video!
Thank you so much
Thx for video! i subscribe!! Great chanell!!👍
Great video! I use a gravity brush for my 3d printed props (helmets, guns), but I am considering trying a siphon brush.
Thank you for your comment and yes siphon is great for those larger applications 👍🏻
Hi im totaly n00b in this world haha could you tell me about your experience with syphon? I want to do that stuff like guns and helmets. Thanks in advance!
Thanks for the great informative video. I paint n scale locomotives and rolling stock so I would use a smaller volume of paint. I am thinking the gravity feed brush would work for me.
Similar to you, I almost always use my gravity-feed Olympos Microns but also have a couple of old Paasche VL's from my t-shirt hosing days that I use for larger areas as well as pearl & metallic paints. I used to be primarily a t-shirt artist but now I paint on most anything---computer cases and laptops, all manner of automotive painting, illustration board for photo-realistim, skate board decks, Vinyl store front awnings, wall murals, silk neckties, paper cards and envelopes--my user thumbnail to the left is on a 5" x 7" envelope, and still the occasional t-shirt. But my favorite surface to airbrush on is leather jackets--technically it's considered a fabric but you can also use automotive techniques like pin striping, marbleizing, and gold leaf work.
Fantastic and thanks for your comment , I learnt how to airbrush using a VL always loved the number 3 needle , great solid brush that never let me down but I have to say when I shifted to iwata I never looked back.
Great art on your user icon ..well done 👍🏻😉
I’m looking at getting into some air brush for painting bits on motorcycles.. what air brush would be good to use for epoxy primer? If that can even be done? Needle size etc?
I do have like 10 airbrush and I am interested in having different size of needles 2,3,5, and especially 8 for more cover .
I like to use my iwata eclipse siphon for my primers or larger base coats think 1/72 B-52 or 1/48 B-17 B-24 . 1/48 F-15,16,18,22.
I like to use my iwata hp suction 1/72 1/48 1/35 fighters and armor.
There are times I mix it up. I also use my eclipse On hard or small areas of automotive painting.
I also use badger 150 DA with multiple needles thaworks great. With its fine needle is in the gun its fine detail work can be outstanding.
But like you're self everything everything is cleaned. If haven't used them for awhile I'll clean and lube them anyways.
Fine video thanks for sharing.
Awesome!
If I was serious about spraying and did a lot of it , it would be worthwhile having both because there will be times
when you need of or the other.
Not sure what you meant by “flushing through “. How do you get the cleaner into the needle body?
How would you go about flushing the inside with cleaner after removing the needle? Would you use a syringe?
I primarily build models and do RC. I use siphon for large scale painting of models or when needing more coverage for base coats and primer. I use gravity for more mobility close up and for finer control when shading or camouflage paint schemes. I like and use both. I have a single action siphon, two dual action siphon and one gravity fed airbrush. Two are Badger and two are cheap Chinese. I bought name brand first and added the two Chinese ones after hearing and seeing good reviews. Buying an Iwata next and will probably stop there. I hate to say it but I wish I would have found out about the Chinese ones earlier on. They work well and I like shooting experimental paints through them before putting through my Badgers. For example craft acrylics to make sure they clean up well. Not that I use craft acrylics often but I have on occasion for ground cover of other uses. Rarely if ever touch a spray can anymore. Airbrushing is addictive and fun. Love your videos by the way. Great content.
All the detail tests show a la
...show using a .5mm needle set with siphon feed.
...can you get close ,good fine detail with a .35mm needle set in an Eclipse siphon feed airbrush?
Informative ✌️✌️👍
Thank you glad you enjoyed the vid 👍🏻
Where can I find the trident paint in the United States thanks love y’all videos keep them coming
I just bought the eclipse HP - BCS I am trying to use it to customize shoes will it be a problem with the syphon feed for detailing and trying to draw characters or anything of that nature? What kind of iwata do you recommend for customizing shoes? I’m new new to airbrushing and have only watched your videos love all of them any advice would help thank you I work with angelus leather paints
When using the siphon feed brush I sometimes can't get the paint to come out but I still feel air blowing through does that mean to turn up the psi
What should be my airbrush nozzle size for working on a automotive.
Nice video, I prefer the gravity feed more then the syphon feed
Thank you and yes, me too 👍🏻
I use a different Iwata airbrush that is the HP SBS Eclipse that is a side feed. But you can also use a gravity feed AND you can also use a siphon feed bottle as well as a conventional side feed color cup. Very versatile, and there is never an obstruction above the body of the airbrush blocking your view.
Hello. Can a siphon be used with a cordless setup?...or would the jar get in the way? Also, can the cordless setup be used with an extension hose?
I create 3D terrain for miniature gaming. I have two airbrush, for large buildings and priming I use the siphon one. For the regular miniatures, I used gravity. I’m new to all this, so I don’t have a base to compare. The airflow is weaker on the siphon feed, not sure if that is normal. My current compressor is a testor and I don’t have the ability to change the pressure. I will be getting a better setup once my channel has product to advertise and store filled with more items.
I am missing half of my index finger so I purchased a trigger style. Could you do some videos that can help me?
Which would be best for painting brass,copper,stainless steel,aluminum?longevity is a must so im guessing its kinda like painting a car?I use to use bottom tank guns but I've used gravity guns for that and it's nice but in all honesty I think I like bottom tank better. I don't need anything super fancy just for painting metal's and make them glossy colors and satin colors then ill clear it with actual clear coat
Would be curious if this is more brand. I have an Iwata Eclipse siphon fed and it can lay down a finer spray than the Sagola
When painting small objects or painting in a quick episode I often use a color cup made for the siphon feed like my Badger 155 Anthem. I only use a jar if painting a large object or painting for a longer duration. You didn't show a color cup being used on siphon feed. I only have 2 siphon feed airbrushes and I want to get a gravity feed one. The Harbor Freight gravity feed has been featured in several videos and I've only heard good things about it. My Badger Anthem has a .5mm needle and nozzle and the old Harbor Freight Chinese airbrush (siphon feed also) has a .3mm needle & nozzle. Cheers from eastern TN
Would thinner work as a way to flush color out?
They you for making this video
I'm using a gravity fed paint brush for miniature paintings
Do you suggest I get the siphon feed (the red one you have) to paint a big portion of a wedding dress? I figured it's a yes but need to make sure. Been using spray paint cans and well just dont feel like I have good control and just doesnt look as nice >
Also what other siphon feed airbrushes do you reccomend? I just need to spray dresses . Ombre colors that's about it.
What percentage of paint and reducer are you using for painting?
Which would be best for custom shoes?
How do you flush through from the needle nut? DOes that just spill out of the trigger and cause fluid to get into where the air valve is?
Thanks for your comment take a look at this vid it should help you with your cleaning questions : th-cam.com/video/8dqs7eKmc3k/w-d-xo.html
What kind of airbrush compressor do you like? I've heard that you need powerful one for t-shirts
I use my siphon brushes for primers and base coats :D
. ..I have a Noob question!? I have the same Iwata spray Nozzle and me needle only exposes about half a mm without the needle cap and your is about 3mm how is that possible? Am I missing a part? - THank you :)
Is the syphon ideal to use to paint action figures ??
Just get both!
Thanks for the tip.. I have both styles, I do a lot of car models, I want to try the gravity feed...
Gr8 vid mate. I was thinking with the suction airbrush, y can't U put a clunk on the end of the pipe. I fly RC planes and we have a heavy connection at the end of the pipe. So doesn't matter if you're flying upside down, the pipe is always in the fuel. You said with the suction that you have to keep it level, with a metal clunk, U could nearly upside down. You just have to worry about your breather hole. Cheers Graham
Thanks for sharing your tips re the clunk , honestly I have never tried or thought about it ? Not sure if it would work but hey…someone may give it a go after reading this , either way thanks again for your comment and sharing 👍🏻
Great video! Can I get some information on compressors? I've had an Iwata product for almost 14 years but very little time with it due to change in living conditions over that time frame. It doesn't seem to be producing the air pressure it used to when it was new. I'm currently getting around 20-25 psi depending on needle size. I have the Iwata Smart Jet Compressor. Should I think about replacing it or is there a way to tune it up? Thanks for sharing, I look forward to finding new video/s every week. God Bless, stay safe and healthy!
Thank you so much and glad you enjoyed the video , take a look at the following vid showcasing the Iwata IS975 compressor , it’s the one we use in our classes and I feel it’s the best in their range hope that helps ;
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@@AirbrushAsylum I just checked out th-cam.com/video/YAfj2qjizKQ/w-d-xo.html and I think I should upgrade. With the one I have I can set the Air Pressure to 30psi but as soon as I start using the airbrush it drops to 22psi and stays at that pressure. This seems to happen no matter what airbrush I use (different Nozzle Sizes) When using the Createx High Gloss Black (no reducer) I get a lot of spattering. Is that because of not enough air presser for the nozzle size, (3.5mm) Thank you for your quick response another reason I really enjoy your channel! God Bless
Yep , you won’t be disappointed the IS975 is a fantastic compressor.
In regards to your spattering issue I would say it’s because you are not thinning the paint , give the ‘high performance Createx reducer ‘ a go and thin out the black and it should go through fine even at lower pressures.
I paint with my microns at 22psi, granted they have finer needle / nozzle setups but I just thin the paint out and it flows through perfectly . 👍🏻
What type of paint do u use for t-shirts plz? And if u know of a link for it that would be great 👍
I use Trident Waterbased airbrush colours and some Createx illustration colours, Links are in the description for trident ,scroll down and you will see links to our site (Australia only) or Dna paints who ship Trident paint worldwide 👍🏻
Do you even move the needle to get more paint? Or key the need as is? My wife gets trouble with clogging but our air compressor only goes to 20 psi I am think it needs more pressure for the syphon.
Thank you I will try that
Thanks ..
Recommendation for painting a horizontal surface that cannot be flipped such as a ceiling?
A sidefeed airbrush. It is made for vertical angles
What is the better air brush gravity feed thats not super expensive)? Link)?
You will find the link to the eclipse in our description which is reasonably priced for iwata and the quality you are getting , also search for HPCN Neo for iwata , they are the cheapest ones in the range and are pretty good for something at that price point 👍🏻
How much for small onr sir?
Out of curiosity, is it possible to use a gravity air brush for a real car paint.
Yes you can use solvent paints in gravity feed airbrushes just make sure they have Teflon seals and not rubber 👍🏻
I use both. I restore old duck and goose decoys for hunting purposes. Get info thank you.
How do you prevent the bottles from falling out of siphon feed?
Great question, they should be reasonably tight when you first fit them to your airbrush, giving it a slight twist helps to lock it in . Hope that helps , I remember using elastic bands to hold mine on when they got loose years ago, when I used to use siphon feed brushes . I would ask some tshirt artists as they would have a solution for you as they use siphon brushes more than I do . 👍🏻
It was not uncommon back in the 1970s 1980s to see T-shirt artists with a siphon feed airbrush with 20 colors lined up at a mall or a fair.
So I've never airbrushed before. Bought a siphon feed airbrush yesterday. I've got it all hooked up, and it seems like, whenever I activate it, it just starts bubbling in the paint and nothing sprays out. What am I doing wrong??
You need to check that the fluid nozzle thread is sealing properly, take it apart and put some beeswax on the thread and try that , this vid showcasing how to fix bubbling may help even though it’s based on the Neo 👉🏻 th-cam.com/video/I_G3ELBfKKA/w-d-xo.html
@@AirbrushAsylum yeah, it's a siphon fed airbrush.. it's like instead of suction the air is blowing into the tank. I'm going to follow that video and try cleaning the whole thing to see if that fixes it. It's my son's, and he tried setting it up and using it, couldn't get it to work, and then asked for my help. No telling what exactly he did to it before I was involved lol..
@@AirbrushAsylum thank you for the response!
I'm looking to do Art work airbrush on clothes (t-shirt, jeans, etc...), I have a feeling that I should go with Syphon,
if anybody got tips that would help me in my choice, PLEASE tell me here! Thanks:)))
Which would be best for 1/24-1/25 scale cars?
I still love a gravity feed brush like the eclipse as it has great coverage and you can still get really nice detail out of it 👍🏻
@@AirbrushAsylum I ask because I bought the harbor freight set to learn with but I know the brush that came with it isn't great but it also is a syphon feed and it doesn't seem to pick it up like I thought it would
Miniatures!
Gravity, railroad and scale weathering!
I need, how can get? tel mi please!
You can find links in the description 👍🏻
You sound like the English Guy who use to do the show Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.
Years ago I had a gravity feed and it was a nightmare to work with and clean. Though TH-cam didn't exist then. Siphon feed seems the logical choice,
How much air brush I am a painter
Gravity feed hands down
Those plastic bottles would also work for those who use mixed craft paint to airbrush.
Bro is lowkey summoning demons lol
Well I use the siphon feed for my t-shirt rack which is 12 brushes and then all my detail work will be done with a gravity feed which usually was a a water anything from eclipse to a custom micron b I told airbrush for probably about around 15 years I guess it was and I always had my students to start out with something like a neo it has your skill levels got better they can work their way up to a more finer detail brush but the micron is far too sensitive of an airbrush for a beginner made a living Lord Jesus Christ bless you and your endeavor to help people understand airbrushing
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Why is my comprssor heat easily
Gravity feed models
Awesome 👏