I have nice memories from Brother Bear 2 (and I truly believe that the original is way underrated), I haven't watched it in years so I don't know how good it really is
@@FreyTheGay omg I'd always been afraid of checking out the Atlantis sequel because I loved the first one so much; it's so interesting to think that that was your introduction to the story!
I usually feel like Wendy made peace with the fact that someday she'll grow up - something that Peter has stubbornly rejected. She truly is on the verge of her own childhood "ending", but she has the heart and will to hold on to childlike wonder. Something that Peter probably never even considered. (And then there's her dad, who on top of chaos in the nursery that day, was probably having a Father Panic over the realization that his only daughter truly is about to grow up and had a moment of self-sabotage in trying to force her to.)
A lot of dads seem to have a hard time accepting that their little girls are growing up. I remember my dad made me promise to never grow up when I was little. Years later he asked me what happened to that promise and I told him that I'm still his little girl. Anyways, forgive my little rant.
@@crescent_foxx1014 Same! I once asked my dad about the purge movie since I haven't seen it and he told me that it was too violent for my age. I reminded him that I'm 18, about to be 19, to which he responded with, "still..." 😂
@@crescent_foxx1014 my father on my wedding day at the end of the night was like okay, time to drive you home, the realization on his face that I was starting a new life with someone else is something I'll cherish. Dads show love in such subtle or silent ways, those bitter sweet moments are everything...
A big thing in the book is that children are innocent AND heartless So that's why the whole "it's just a game" thing is even there. Because even if Wendy gets k*lled that is just a thing that happens in the game they play. The OG book is dark if one thinks about it, which is why I like some darker retellings of it. Hell it gets implied that not only do Lost Boys die to Pirates but sometimes Peter gets rid of them for one reason or another
Honestly only someone who understands kids would have the guts to tell a story about their heartless side; that's such an interesting facet of the original stories!
Peter would "cull" the Lost Boys when they began to grow up too much. When you take into account the psychopathy of murder at a whim and that supposedly the only four population groups on the entire island are the Indians, mermaids, Lost Boys and pirates, and that new little boys are brought back to Neverland by Peter, it becomes pretty clear that not all the boys who began to grow up were slaughtered by Peter. I think those who managed to escape, survived..and grew up to become pirates. This would mean that Hook had once been a Lost Boy. He'd seen Pan as a leader and a best friend, someone he'd known for pretty much his whole life...and his best friend told him he needed to die, because he was growing up, cut off his freaking hand, and laughed like a maniac after tossing it to a hungry beast. Then he was taken in, wounded and bleeding, by the very people he'd been taught were his mortal enemies; it's no freaking wonder Hook has issues. Who wouldn't?? When you read the book, Peter Pan is really the antagonist, Tinkerbell...egh; I don't even know where to begin with her. James Hook was just a very damaged victim.
@@alexisgrunden1556 That is so intresting! It would make a lot of since too, I always wondered why Hook's crew hated Peter so much. It also makes much more since why they tried to recruit the lost boys, they were trying to save them from peter.
@@elliedove7899 And why, despite their obvious grudges, they didn't like killing the boys at all; they pitied them. They knew what was in store. It has to be a complete paradigm shift for the surviving boys, and damn traumatic, too; to be taken in by their former enemies, treated with sympathy and pity..to finally understand. God, but that's gotta hurt. No wonder all the pirates really want is to get the f*%k off of Neverland and away from their nightmare.
I always thought that this sequel was interesting, theme-wise, it fascinated the younger me. Like, how Jane is growing up during the war and she doesn't have time or heart for childish bullshit, and then she ends up in Neverland where she's like a workaholic on an obligatory vacation. And she has to let go and let herself have fun. Interesting story they did here, and they didn't have to. Also, about letting kids be kids, there's a The Little Prince adaptation (CGI) which tackles this subject pretty well, I recommend.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't some parts of the Little Prince movie actually stop-motion as well? It's a beautifully animated movie, and I think a lot of that is because of the parts with a papercraft look to it.
@@dannyfoxboi Yes, the parts with Little Prince are stop motion and they are beautiful. :) It’s very good adaptation, mixing modern themes with book’s themes, I really enjoyed it.
I liked that you specified that the belief in magic was used as a tool for survival, for indeed Jane started to believe only because she wanted to save Peter. At first it would seem as though Jane had returned to a previous state of childhood. But honestly it feels as a step towards a healthier adulthood, a process of self acceptance, of healing trauma.
"Children will sit through the most soul-less of movies and claim it's as good as an Oscar movie" Not lying there. According to my mother, I used to watch Boohbah as a kid and I would tell everyone that it was better than any Disney movie
I never grew up with the original Peter Pan. But as a kid, I was so into the Peter Pan sequel that I didn't even knew it's a sequel. I just enjoy it and gosh as a kid I even wish Peter Pan was real after watching Return to Neverland.
Even as a kid I picked up on the fact that after Wendy got attacked by the Lost Boys, she doesn't fly as well as she used to. She's later seen having to flap her arms or have Peter hold her hand for her to keep up. Feel like the biggest point missed is how Wendy slowly comes to accept that she's growing up. While the trip to Neverland was an adventure for John and Micheal, Wendy was getting that one last childhood moment before entering her teens. She wanted to never grow up, however the entire time she was unintentionally leaning more towards an adult mindset. In the beginning she wanted to give Peter a kiss, not on the cheek either, something that definitely set Tinkerbell in a panic at the word. She starts getting frustrated with Peter, flirting with other girls (Tiger Lily), treating everything like a game when it shouldn't (the drowning). Her reaction to seeing John and Micheal before she's instructed to pick up more firewood. Encouraging the Lost Boys to leave to be with their own mothers, not just her being their 'mother'. Wendy eventually comes to realize that she is ready to grow and that's okay as it's a part of life. Wendy by the end comes to more of an acceptance between her inner child and adult life. A lot of this was subtle without needing full out words or narration, something I admire the earlier works of Disney animations.
I use to go to therapy as a child and they would make me watch this movie. I didn't understand why but after some years to learn about myself it was because I was in the situation when it came to growing up faster due to personal issues that forced me to behave a certain way. The reasoning for me having to watch this as a child was because I can't learn by reading and talking about it was hard to understand but if you put a character that you can care for with and understand their morals was the only was I could understand anything really. To me now facing adulthood and thinking about this movie did bring back those memories which I can say it is a great movie for people and children like me who can't understand things how others see it which allowed me to be honest with myself and which lead me to get help.
I personally have no problem with the Octopus. It was really funny fighting Captain Hook. Even without Tick-Tock, I still love Return to Neverland. I even like it better than the first Peter Pan film.
I dare to say it, the sequel is better than the original. I was about Jane’s age when I saw “Return to Neverland”, and I could relate to many of the feelings she expresses in the film. It touched my heart at a time when I needed the support of knowing that I wasn’t the only person in the world who had these struggles.
The original will always be a timeless classic, but there’s something about the sequel that completely stole my heart and the soundtrack makes me cry every time ✨💜
I saw this in theater with my mom. You also have to remember the context of original release. You see, my mother is in the US Army, and this sequel was released to theaters around the immediate months after 9/11, and my mother was going away to a training program for possible deployment. (She would ultimately get deployed to Iraq for one year from 2003-2004.) Anyway, when I saw this with her in theaters in 2002, she actually took me out of school early to make a day of it, since I loved Peter Pan stories. And I do think this is one of the more powerful films from my childhood, due to one thing: the subplot. You see, since the prologue of this film is set during World War II, particularly the Battle of Britain, when the Nazis were bombing London, I remember the scene where Jane's father/Wendy's husband is saying goodbye to them while in his RAF uniform, which was a common sight for me growing up seeing my mother in her US Army uniform going to a drill weekend, her various training exercises, and also when she was deploying to Iraq. Plus, the scenes of British troops and Nazi bombers reminded me of the footage of the planes being flown into the Twin Towers on 9/11 all those years ago. But then everything turned happy when the film transitioned to Neverland. I was reminded of how important it was to keep my sense of childhood wonder alive in difficult times, which is the overall message of the film. Which is why I always considered this to be one of the better Disney sequels. I mean, the fact it got a theatrical release instead of being dumped direct to video just shows that.
I'm just going to quickly counter your points about how in the first movie there's only two ways a girl can be What about Princess Tiger Lily? She was strong and bold and her principles but she also wanted to mac on Peter
She only liked him because it was all she knew being raised there, I think that is an important plot point that every girl wants Peter. He is terrible, the girls are either young or morally bankrupt murderous grown women. It tells a story within itself, a woman hating story, a little boy obsessed story, a mommy issue story, a story saying adult men are all inherently seen as the Bad Guy for being hurt by the Eternal Child and his group of underage followers... and we love these stories.
@@jasminejacobs6862 I'm honestly not surprised she was canceled because her entire tribe was a poor and racist representation of native Americans the only one that wasn't depicted in a racist manor was her It wasn't just because the movie was old it was because every other native American in the movie besides her was literally the shade of crayon red and sung a song about how they're the red man and how the red man is always red even if someone else tells you that they're not red
@@jasminejacobs6862 you're not wrong Peter Pan definitely has a lot of underline issues with it's story and characters But I'm honestly not surprised I mean that's what happens when you adapt pedo stories
@@sillyswirlsproductions145 yes, JM Barrie is that p word. Making a sequel and choosing not to perfect on the racist stereotype and completely leave all representation out is worse to me, as my father was 1/4th and his fully Native grandmother played a large role in his life, he would watch cowboy and 'indian' movies, but once beat my ass for playing in a "racist" way like his movies with my brother as a child. It's very complicated to play pretend, embrace your own roots, see representation of ANY kind for Native Americans. I can only think off the top of my head, the biker character from Wreck it Ralph the Sequel and John Redcorn still standing. Joseph from king of the hill is a realistic representation of most modern day Native Americans, but Princess Tiger Lily was important as what she was, a young girl from a tribe basically being offered to her tribe's enemy... maybe a thought piece on what happened to my own great grandmother and many friends mothers and grandmothers in my rural area, being a good wife to a white man makes you white. Your children, if half native American, are white. It wasn't really a girl's choice, it could very well have been her fathers. Your family name has no trace, you have no roots, you have no hero. Princess Tiger Lily is just really Pocahontas without the added element, Pocahontas was a real girl white old men in their 30s were "seduced by" at age 12-15 that Disney just glamourized and "aged up"....
I was one of the 3 animators that animated Jane as an adult in this film, which I loved doing. I was also the animator that animated the mermaids in the mermaid sequence in Return to Neverland. Originally, the mermaids weren’t going to be included in the sequel, just like the Indians. But in a town hall meeting review of the film, I campaigned to have the mermaids added into the film, which I was successful at achieving. 😍💕
Can we also talk about how gorgeous the animation is in the sequel? I've always loved how soft and smooth everything looks and moves, even the pirate ship looks great!
I remember this movie, tbh the third Cinderella movie has gotten back on the radar with memes. I am glad some of these movies are being remembered, even if some of them are kinda questionable
I mean you’re not wrong but as someone who actually started watching Once Upon a Time because of their Neverland episodes I actually really enjoyed the twist on his character (and he ended up becoming one of the fandom’s favorite characters).
@@andreamolinar6883 that's Strange, because I don't hear that many people gushing over Peter Pan in Once Upon A Time, Killian Jones on the other hand...
@@maldon3659 mostly I think I just remember seeing a lot of Tumblr posts about Peter lol & the writers were always bringing him back for quick guest star appearances
First movie: haha I don't wanna go to sleep let's go to neverland! Second movie: *war, it changes people.. It separates families.. I got kidnapped and brought to Neverland without knowing if I'll ever see my family again or if I'll make it back alive*
I was OBSESSED with Peter Pan: Return to Neverland!!! I related to Jane a lot and remember being in Love with her cool haircut! The soundtrack is worth mentioning too, it screams 2000s nostalgia
The idea that "kids don't care," and the assumption that "kids are stupid" is not an excuse to put out crap. Because, yes, kids ARE impressionable. Which is why it's especially important to give them/show them good quality stuff. Otherwise, bad quality stuff will affect their perception of what is good quality in a negative way. This is not to say I'm claiming that Return to Neverland is objectively bad, and I'm not saying that a movie can't be based on feel rather than thought (like Pinocchio, or Snow White). I'm more speaking towards how sorely we need good quality entertainment again, and not quite so much cash cow material that we're getting nowadays. I want entertainment companies to CARE again. That being said, I really love the analysis here, and what these two movies represent. As their messages of childhood really vibe with me. And I think the message from the first and the message in the second is a very organic transition in themes. As when we grow up, there is something of a, I don't want to say "temptation," but certainly a "pull" to set aside our childhood to only focus on adulthood, and all the terrible and pessimistic things that come with it. But if you only focus on adulthood, you could very well lose sight of the good hidden underneath, and only focus on the bad right in front of you, like it did with Jane.
Oddly enough, plenty of kids can tell when something is crap or “off” but because no one explains why, it’s harder for them to have reason to reject it. I recall seeing several movies and shows where I knew something was off but didn’t know why, just that I felt weird.
@@Window4503 That was me and the beauty and the beast sequels. I felt weird, but now that I’m older I realised younger me didn’t like it and it was basically my experiences as a child figuring out my tastes and comparing without me knowing
its really interesting to think of these direct to video sequels as a posibility for the smaller division of disney toons to recognize the bad or difficult or dated parts of the original movie, and try to do something about it. in that case, i feel its somehow slightly more valuable than the current disney trend of remaking the movies almost shot by shot with only a few cosmetic, badly made changes to attempt to be more "woke". i guess the sequel/prequel universe of the direct to video disney movies could be considered a series of "official fanfiction" done with a meager budget, but even then theres always a bit more creativity there than in the remakes :^/ i really liked your comparison of neverland to a playground! particularly because as a kid it was extremely easy for me to compare it to it, in the sense of it being a place of nerve wracking social dynamics where the kids in charge were the ones who came up with games and the rest had to lead. in that sense, the idea that, if everyone is not on the same page, it turns into an outright bullying ground is extremely accurate. im not particularly into the story of peter pan, but i cant deny that the sequel, with its more complicated concept of childhood, growing up too soon and the importance of fairytales and stories, does truly have quite some effort in the script department, which i really value
The original Peter Pan was favourite movie when I was a kid, seconded by Robin Hood - too bad we didn't own either of those back then! I swear I only watched Beauty and the Beast video as often as I did because afterwards there was a long commercial of Peter Pan.
I'm happy that someone is finally giving positive attention to certain of the direct to video sequels. I like that some of them, like this one or The Lion King 2, or Cinderella 3 actually have fairly interesting stories and themes - even if a little clunky due to a short production time and lack of budget. I think it's just because we *zOoMeRs* grew up with them and have more affinity and willingness to see beauty in them - similar to how the younger generation who grew up with the Star Wars Prequels are kinder than people who were adults when they were released.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Yeah sure LJK, but that wasn't their point and you know it. Even if those prequels are "actually terrible", there a tons of people who grew up watching them and are important to them because of it, and just because they have "giant, noticeable problems" doesn't mean people can't find things in them to enjoy. We all loved weird things as kids that maybe aren't so great anymore, but we shouldn't feel ashamed nor shame on people for it
This movie is one of the few that I have a serious emotional connection to as it was one of the several films that I had watched while being in the hospital for a week when I was diagnosed with Type One Diabetes
I love this movie so much. The message is wonderful and I like that it's much more darker and realistic than the first one. (No shade towards the first movie, I just happened to grow up with the sequel.) Keep up the amazing work, you deserve every like you get!
I was obsessed with Peter Pan movies as a kid, I rewatched them countless times but always liked the second one more exactly because of how female characters were handeled. I hated how Wendy was treated in the first movie, I felt so bad for her, and hated how Tinker Bell and mermaids were so jealous of her and treater her like crap, this rivalry and lack of female friendships annoyed me so much even as a little kid, I just wanted to see girls having fun and getting along too. So when I saw the sequel it was like everything I wanted in the first, it had a more interesting story line, had Tink and Jane befriend each other, even that part where mermaids were caressing her instead of trying to kill her like Wendy, was very short but it was so important to me and made me super happy. And also having Jane rescue everyone in the end, I just loved all of it. While the first movie is very dear to me and I love it a lot, the sequel was and will always be superior.
Unrelated, but the first Peter Pan was one of my favorite films growing up. Though something that was more remarkable about it was the special behind-the-scenes documentary that played after the movie. It was one of the first things that made me realize that movies were something that magically came out of nowhere, but was something that was made by people. That's something that has definitely resonated with me today. That said, yeah, it's interesting how 'Return to Neverland' and the Disney fairy movies are much better stories than the original 1953 film.
As far as disney sequels (tm) go, this one is easily one of the better ones for the simple fact that it actually builds upon the first and improves upon the characters of the first. If a film can't do that it fails as a sequel.
With the whole Native American caricature thing, I feel it’s a little more complex. I say a little because it’s still clearly not a good thing and while I do give it a pass as a product of it’s time, if people want to alter them I wouldn’t really care. But at the same time, they aren’t portrayed as entirely bad, heck the only reason they capture the lost boys is because they think Peter did the same to Tiger Lily. And once they find out the truth they make peace with Peter and let the boys join in with their (extremely inaccurate) celebration. Hell speaking of Tiger Lily, even when under threat of drowning by a pirate she still stuck too her guns and wouldn’t talk. Which also kind of shows that not all the woman are portrayed negatively. Again though, I would still raise every eyebrow I had if they adapted this straight. Personally I would pick a native culture, ask if they are ok with being represented in that film and then learn about their culture, specifically mention them as that tribe instead of just “Indians”, but keep the same plot points. Anyway, interesting perspective from you I’ll have to look out for your vids in the future.
This brought back a childhood memory of when I first went to eat at Wendy’s. I thought the theme was about Peter Pan’s Wendy and they would give us Peter Pan toys
Hey explaining the sequel made me wanna cry because I grew up with it, and I loved it to bits (until my brother watched it everyday) and I think I might of baised my personality of her without realizing it ahah
Jane is an absolutely superior character to Wendy. This movie is proof that sequels can be better than the original. Jane actually participates in the fighting, she isn’t a push over and both Peter and Jane learn from each other.
You're absolutely entitled to your opinion, but I don't agree that she is superior. Jane is a different type of character all-together, in a different era. Victorian education of little girls is to be kind, soft-spoken and polite. Little girls were dolled on, had dance lessons and tea parties. As a girl, your worth was to marry and have children someday. That's it. Jane however, grew up in war. If anything hardens reality, it's being scared of dying. Men and women are less divided in dresswear and there's not much time for education, only for survival. To be able to fight is now a skill everyone must learn. Jane is not a pushover because she was raised with different values. Being polite and soft-spoken will get you killed. That doesn't mean Wendy is weak. And I don't think any female character with her traits would be in modern era's as well. It's simply a different kind of character that has a different narrative purpose in a story.
I think that's a whole different topic though. You can like or dislike Wendy or Jane as a character, regardless of what you ship. They both had character growth and arcs, they just carried different roles in the stories.
Man as a kid I took the wrong message from the movie. "We all are gonna grow up nothing we can do about it we will lose all our loved childhood things everything is bleak in the world of adulthood" XD Also told you what kind of kid I was
I have always loved the Peter Pan squeal more than the original. I grew up feeling more connected to Jane than Wendy, and I’m glad someone had something good to say about it.
To me Neverland itself is a child who hasn't been taught yet. Everything goes, as long you don't actually die then get over it. I do think the reason why Wendy is attacked so much is because the role she was placed in; a mother. Yes, a mother is someone who does give comfort but the main role is make sure you have the knowledge to grow up. Why wouldn't the native magical beings try to get rid of her like how a white blood cell does to a virus. Edit: Also it's interesting how they drew Peter. It's clear in the books that Peter is just the id with no super ego in sight. Heck he battles a Captain, an authority figure. Peter only cares for fun in the moment. I feel like Disney made that show in his design. I have heard kids asking their parents if "Peter was Evil" a valid question. He looks very impish
I don't necessarily like your voice, and your tone is boring, but I give you huge respect for being the only person so far to acknowledge this film, being the only good Disney sequel of a classic, and being better than the original. So thank you.
I'm so glad that someone is talking about this sequel in particular! I think it is (and was) so underrated just because is a sequel from a classic Disney movie. Really loved your video and thank you for it 🖤
I have such vague memories of this movie but I used to love it! The part where she throws the whistle and joins the lost boys gave me like. major flashbacks I didn't even know where in my head.
What if after you stay at neverland for some years, like a hundo and you go visit earth and you age up rapidly then die, falling from the sky to go splat on the ground, people screaming and cops being called and you were a mystery case for them as they don't know who you are.
As a teacher in elementary school, children will absolutely use the "it's just a game" to get out of anything. That's why they are in school and why they have parents and teachers to guide them into what is appropriate behavior and inappropriate behavior. Also, it is my belief that children are good but self-serving; if they have to choose between themselves and someone else, they will always choose themselves. That's why it is very important for parents and teachers to teach about concepts like "empathy", "sympathy", "helpfulness", "selflessness" and the like as well as boundaries and what it means to say "no" and in which situations they should reinforce said boundaries in order to protect themselves.
To me, this movie and Bambi 2 are the best Disney sequels with Lion King 2 and Cinderella 3. Thoses movies expand the universe, developped more the characters and the villains, had good animation and pretty music, cool action, good drama. They aren't perfect but soooooo enjoyable :D It's not just the same adventure than the first movie with minor changes, the stories are completely differents! Also the changes in them makes sense and are fun to watch unlike in Hunchback 2 and Jungle Book 2 (Yeah giving a girlfriend to Quasimodo and making the villain lame was a good idea XS Same with making Kaa and Sher-khan useless and ridiculous. Thank
@Irrelevant Nobody The Stitch sequels suck lol, everyone is flanderised and the most interesting part of Lilo- her struggles with social workers in the wake of her parents' death and her distaste at the commercialization of her culture-is gone. It's just kinda generic space adventure stuff. Also Hamsterviel sucks ass as a villain.
@Irrelevant Nobody No, they're not horrible, but they lack the heart of the first movie. And the 600+ experiments were obvious toy bait. Hamsterviel is a step down from first movie Gantu/The Galactic Federation.
I feel like this is an underrated movie While Cinderella 3 was epic and just a masterpiece This touched on more serious topics and I feel like it was a better movie than the original for sure.
I'll give the movie props... you show me another Disney animated film that does WW2 events like The Blitz. Jane has to deal with Heinkel 111s dropping bombs on her. Neverland ain't got shit!
Cinderella III a twist in time of a fucken master piece I watched it religiously as a kid and I still love it today omg it was actually good change my mind
I watched the Peter Pan sequel (as well as a bunch of other sequels) a million times when I was little. I mean I'm still pretty little since Im only 13 but yeah I still love these sequels since for some like Peter Pan and The Little Mermaid the main character actually ended up making a mistake letting the villains almost win before they managed to fix it. That was just really unique compared to other things where the main character is kind of like a mary sue most times seeming to not have any negative qualities and not making any mistakes in their life. I bet when I'm older I'd still watch the Disney sequels over and over again. -w-
I always loved this movie when I was younger. I always related to Jane because I'm the oldest kid in my family and due to a shitty childhood, I felt like I had to grow up quickly to protect myself and my younger siblings. Especially the scene where she fights with her mom and yells at her brother to grow up, and the "I"ll try" song is played while she feels her world is falling apart
Return to Neverland is actually one of my favorites! I so agree with your analysis, and you make very good points. Peter Pan (2003) is my favorite of the Peter Pan films, but Return to Neverland is probably a close second bc it takes what's good about the Disney film and expands on it. (Plus Peter feels much less of a jerk than he is in the 50s original lol)
Growing up I was more of a fan of some of the sequels more so than originals. Like Little Mermaid 2, Return to Neverland, and Lion King 2; I personally connected more to them and their characters. Especially Kira from Lion King 2❤
I saw this one first, and for the majority of my childhood didn’t even realize it wasn’t the original one until I was shown it. I hate Peter Pan. I LOVE Return to Neverland.
Thank you for this! My friends and I are doing a podcast on animated movies from 2002 tonight so this was a great crash course! Don't worry I will watch the movie soon ^^ I will definitely mention your channel in the podcast!
I really appreciate the sequel! I was a little kid when it came out and have memories of seeing it in theatres. They had a Captain Hook costumed character before the movie who engaged with the kids. I’m Native myself and my parents never let me watch the original movie. Disney wasn’t really allowed in the house (too many themes of child abandonment), but my mom admitted she also didn’t want me to be exposed to the racist caricatures of our peoples. Pocahontas was also not allowed in our house, that’s a whole other can of worms that I won’t get into lol. Not having those characters in the sequel is something I’m personally glad they didn’t include. :)
I don't know why I put off watching your stuff for as long as I did. You're so thoughtful and chill, and you take the time to bring up good things about films from our childhood that most people prefer to tear apart. I really should have checked this channel out sooner, TH-cam kept recommending you and I had the audacity to not trust their judgment v_v
I grew up with a bunch of disney sequels and only got to see the original when I was a lot older and not really a kid anmore ( peter pan, lion king, little mermaid, aladin, beauty and the beast) and tbh I never disliked any of the sequels, and I even like the peter pan one more than the original ( but they were both good, and anyway what disney did back int he 2d era is way better than whatever the fuck they are doing now)
They will probably in 50 years or the future either have the protagonist be a robot and the message being non-human entities can do great stuff. Or the protagonist will be someone who is non-binary and will tell Peter pan about how gender is a spectrum.
I too love how Jane wasn't afraid to call him and refused to to shut up just because "it wasn't their intention" (an excuse commonly used to put the blame on the victim for being "dramatic"). I also see Wendy to be a bit inconsiderate w Jane. After all, she had spent most of her life in war and as an older sister, she was expected to be mature about her decisions. It didn't help that Jane felt as though she was more aware of what was happening around her than her own mother, thanks to Wendy always having this positive attitude (something understandable for a mother, but in the eyes of scared child that's trying to be strong, it is just terrifying).
funfact the second peterpan was the first disney movie i ever watched as a kid thereby i m extremly buyest and idc what u gonna say to it no matter how valid these points will be it wil lstill be one of my fav disney movies EVER ... and i m not sorry
quick ran here, I know return to the sea seems like a cardboard copy of the first movie, but's more than that. I use to watch it all the time because of Melody. Both Melody and Jane were forced to live a life where they need to be someone else (Jane being an older sister and facing an harsh reality at a young age, and Melody to stand poise and be a proper princess and hiding something that deeply makes her happy). Both stories also tells how much support a kid needs in their time of need, If Wendy didn't even tell Jane the stories in the first place she wouldn't have that character development as well as peter and the others, Melody on the other hand needed the support to her liking and abilities and telling her that it's okay to live with those said things. That one scene in LM2:RTTS where Melody can't talk properly and being awkward to other kids her age and soon being humiliated because she was talking to Sebastian, I can relate to that, and what hurts that she couldn't even (hesitant on telling them) tell what she loves to her own parents because she knows that they would shut it down and would just makes her more disclosed. A weird thing to say but return to the sea just depicts a choice that a child shouldn't have and maybe even anxiety in the mix of it.
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Any other Disney sequels you wish more people talked about?
I have nice memories from Brother Bear 2 (and I truly believe that the original is way underrated), I haven't watched it in years so I don't know how good it really is
You should talk to the TH-camr Seamus Gorman
I remember really enjoying the Atlantis sequel,
I didn't even know it was a sequel at the time!
Honestly I'd love to see all of them revisited - even in a group video for the ones that end up not interesting enough for a full video.
@@FreyTheGay omg I'd always been afraid of checking out the Atlantis sequel because I loved the first one so much; it's so interesting to think that that was your introduction to the story!
I usually feel like Wendy made peace with the fact that someday she'll grow up - something that Peter has stubbornly rejected. She truly is on the verge of her own childhood "ending", but she has the heart and will to hold on to childlike wonder. Something that Peter probably never even considered.
(And then there's her dad, who on top of chaos in the nursery that day, was probably having a Father Panic over the realization that his only daughter truly is about to grow up and had a moment of self-sabotage in trying to force her to.)
I also thought Wendy’s story was about accepting growing up too.
A lot of dads seem to have a hard time accepting that their little girls are growing up. I remember my dad made me promise to never grow up when I was little. Years later he asked me what happened to that promise and I told him that I'm still his little girl.
Anyways, forgive my little rant.
@@crescent_foxx1014 Same! I once asked my dad about the purge movie since I haven't seen it and he told me that it was too violent for my age. I reminded him that I'm 18, about to be 19, to which he responded with, "still..." 😂
@@crescent_foxx1014 my father on my wedding day at the end of the night was like okay, time to drive you home, the realization on his face that I was starting a new life with someone else is something I'll cherish. Dads show love in such subtle or silent ways, those bitter sweet moments are everything...
@@jennydelreal8267 awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Peter Pan was the author's way to cope his younger brother's death, it's sad not too many people know that
He was brilliant as a writer, in general. He invented the name Wendy.
There's a movie about this actually, about what inspired the author to write the story. Johnny Depp stars in it
@Zelva Jeminon The name “Wendy” is quite old, I doubt he invented it
@@ricekrispies1917 it’s Finding Neverland, right?
@@DK-go6nw Yup. That's the one
not me forgetting that tinker bell was in peter pan omfg-
mood
*Wait hold the hell up, I’ve only watched the sequel when I was 2 and I need an explanation*
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_Bell_(film_series)
Honestly, the Tinker Bell movies are so legendary that I don't blame you
@@Game_Erica the tinker bell movies were amazing and nobody can change my mind no matter what my bro
A big thing in the book is that children are innocent AND heartless
So that's why the whole "it's just a game" thing is even there.
Because even if Wendy gets k*lled that is just a thing that happens in the game they play.
The OG book is dark if one thinks about it, which is why I like some darker retellings of it.
Hell it gets implied that not only do Lost Boys die to Pirates but sometimes Peter gets rid of them for one reason or another
Honestly only someone who understands kids would have the guts to tell a story about their heartless side; that's such an interesting facet of the original stories!
Peter would "cull" the Lost Boys when they began to grow up too much. When you take into account the psychopathy of murder at a whim and that supposedly the only four population groups on the entire island are the Indians, mermaids, Lost Boys and pirates, and that new little boys are brought back to Neverland by Peter, it becomes pretty clear that not all the boys who began to grow up were slaughtered by Peter.
I think those who managed to escape, survived..and grew up to become pirates.
This would mean that Hook had once been a Lost Boy. He'd seen Pan as a leader and a best friend, someone he'd known for pretty much his whole life...and his best friend told him he needed to die, because he was growing up, cut off his freaking hand, and laughed like a maniac after tossing it to a hungry beast. Then he was taken in, wounded and bleeding, by the very people he'd been taught were his mortal enemies; it's no freaking wonder Hook has issues. Who wouldn't??
When you read the book, Peter Pan is really the antagonist, Tinkerbell...egh; I don't even know where to begin with her. James Hook was just a very damaged victim.
@@alexisgrunden1556 That is so intresting! It would make a lot of since too, I always wondered why Hook's crew hated Peter so much. It also makes much more since why they tried to recruit the lost boys, they were trying to save them from peter.
@@elliedove7899 And why, despite their obvious grudges, they didn't like killing the boys at all; they pitied them. They knew what was in store.
It has to be a complete paradigm shift for the surviving boys, and damn traumatic, too; to be taken in by their former enemies, treated with sympathy and pity..to finally understand. God, but that's gotta hurt.
No wonder all the pirates really want is to get the f*%k off of Neverland and away from their nightmare.
@@alexisgrunden1556 yeah, Hook's inner monologue is the best part of the book
I dunno why but Peter sayig it's just a prank while mermaids are just casually trying to murder Wendy gives me "It don't bite" vibes.
"Oh that's Cujo, he just be playin' " ass 😂
Wendy: GET YO FUCKING DOG BITCH
Peter: it don’t bite
Wendy: YES IT DO-
Wendy: *gets dragged by mermaids*
Its just a prank bruh
@@risacooper 😂
Lmao 🤣
Return to Neverland does not get enough love. It's no masterpiece but it's insanely enjoyable. Glad you're talking about it :)
I like the mermaids. They casually tried to murder Wendy LOL
I don't
Why only casually?
Go Big or Go Home!
IDidntKnowTheyAllowed ANameThisLongForAttention A Killer Queen is ALWAYS ready for murder.
Honestly same
The way one of the mermaids causally said "We're only trying to down her" too...
@@sunspotmill1291 ikr 😅
I always thought that this sequel was interesting, theme-wise, it fascinated the younger me. Like, how Jane is growing up during the war and she doesn't have time or heart for childish bullshit, and then she ends up in Neverland where she's like a workaholic on an obligatory vacation. And she has to let go and let herself have fun. Interesting story they did here, and they didn't have to. Also, about letting kids be kids, there's a The Little Prince adaptation (CGI) which tackles this subject pretty well, I recommend.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't some parts of the Little Prince movie actually stop-motion as well? It's a beautifully animated movie, and I think a lot of that is because of the parts with a papercraft look to it.
@@dannyfoxboi Yes, the parts with Little Prince are stop motion and they are beautiful. :) It’s very good adaptation, mixing modern themes with book’s themes, I really enjoyed it.
I love The Little Prince show 🥺 I watched it on tv when I was little but now I can’t find it anywhere 😭
@@ambarcastaneda4763 It's on Netflix if you have that.
@@dannyfoxboi OMG, really?? Thanks!
I liked that you specified that the belief in magic was used as a tool for survival, for indeed Jane started to believe only because she wanted to save Peter.
At first it would seem as though Jane had returned to a previous state of childhood. But honestly it feels as a step towards a healthier adulthood, a process of self acceptance, of healing trauma.
"Children will sit through the most soul-less of movies and claim it's as good as an Oscar movie"
Not lying there. According to my mother, I used to watch Boohbah as a kid and I would tell everyone that it was better than any Disney movie
*not my two favorite movies in kindergarten being Baby Geniuses and Hot Fuzz*
I guess I chose the right movies then, because a lot of my favorite childhood movies STILL strike me as well-made 20 years later.
@@justin2308 wow you’re so special
@@justin2308 good taste gang!
Yes omg, I used to rewatch Ferngully religiously as a kid or the Arthur movies and thought they were the greatest, how time flies :D
I cant get over peterpans and snufkins design similarities
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YASSSSS ANOTHER MOOMINVALLEY FANNNNN
-Ginger
-Green hat
-Sometimes has a feather
@@beachballssideaccount look its probably the fixation i have rn but b r o
@@nmtltlz Snufpan dude
I never grew up with the original Peter Pan. But as a kid, I was so into the Peter Pan sequel that I didn't even knew it's a sequel. I just enjoy it and gosh as a kid I even wish Peter Pan was real after watching Return to Neverland.
Same
I found out after a year it was the sequel lol
It’s got to be one of my favorite movies
Same herE lol
And the song at the intro is so good.
Even as a kid I picked up on the fact that after Wendy got attacked by the Lost Boys, she doesn't fly as well as she used to. She's later seen having to flap her arms or have Peter hold her hand for her to keep up. Feel like the biggest point missed is how Wendy slowly comes to accept that she's growing up. While the trip to Neverland was an adventure for John and Micheal, Wendy was getting that one last childhood moment before entering her teens. She wanted to never grow up, however the entire time she was unintentionally leaning more towards an adult mindset. In the beginning she wanted to give Peter a kiss, not on the cheek either, something that definitely set Tinkerbell in a panic at the word. She starts getting frustrated with Peter, flirting with other girls (Tiger Lily), treating everything like a game when it shouldn't (the drowning). Her reaction to seeing John and Micheal before she's instructed to pick up more firewood. Encouraging the Lost Boys to leave to be with their own mothers, not just her being their 'mother'. Wendy eventually comes to realize that she is ready to grow and that's okay as it's a part of life. Wendy by the end comes to more of an acceptance between her inner child and adult life.
A lot of this was subtle without needing full out words or narration, something I admire the earlier works of Disney animations.
I use to go to therapy as a child and they would make me watch this movie. I didn't understand why but after some years to learn about myself it was because I was in the situation when it came to growing up faster due to personal issues that forced me to behave a certain way. The reasoning for me having to watch this as a child was because I can't learn by reading and talking about it was hard to understand but if you put a character that you can care for with and understand their morals was the only was I could understand anything really. To me now facing adulthood and thinking about this movie did bring back those memories which I can say it is a great movie for people and children like me who can't understand things how others see it which allowed me to be honest with myself and which lead me to get help.
Did they also make you watch Kiki’s Delivery Service?
That's really heartwarming actually that a movie can have such a positive impact
I love the sequel, however I wish they never replaced Tick-Tock with the octopus.
I remember that always bugging me as a child. Like what was wrong with keeping the crocodile?
AGREED!!!
I personally have no problem with the Octopus. It was really funny fighting Captain Hook. Even without Tick-Tock, I still love Return to Neverland. I even like it better than the first Peter Pan film.
I dare to say it, the sequel is better than the original. I was about Jane’s age when I saw “Return to Neverland”, and I could relate to many of the feelings she expresses in the film. It touched my heart at a time when I needed the support of knowing that I wasn’t the only person in the world who had these struggles.
The original will always be better
The original will always be a timeless classic, but there’s something about the sequel that completely stole my heart and the soundtrack makes me cry every time ✨💜
I saw this in theater with my mom. You also have to remember the context of original release. You see, my mother is in the US Army, and this sequel was released to theaters around the immediate months after 9/11, and my mother was going away to a training program for possible deployment. (She would ultimately get deployed to Iraq for one year from 2003-2004.)
Anyway, when I saw this with her in theaters in 2002, she actually took me out of school early to make a day of it, since I loved Peter Pan stories. And I do think this is one of the more powerful films from my childhood, due to one thing: the subplot.
You see, since the prologue of this film is set during World War II, particularly the Battle of Britain, when the Nazis were bombing London, I remember the scene where Jane's father/Wendy's husband is saying goodbye to them while in his RAF uniform, which was a common sight for me growing up seeing my mother in her US Army uniform going to a drill weekend, her various training exercises, and also when she was deploying to Iraq. Plus, the scenes of British troops and Nazi bombers reminded me of the footage of the planes being flown into the Twin Towers on 9/11 all those years ago.
But then everything turned happy when the film transitioned to Neverland. I was reminded of how important it was to keep my sense of childhood wonder alive in difficult times, which is the overall message of the film. Which is why I always considered this to be one of the better Disney sequels. I mean, the fact it got a theatrical release instead of being dumped direct to video just shows that.
I'm just going to quickly counter your points about how in the first movie there's only two ways a girl can be
What about Princess Tiger Lily?
She was strong and bold and her principles but she also wanted to mac on Peter
Cancelled for being an old representation of people already erased in modern culture. It makes me sad
She only liked him because it was all she knew being raised there, I think that is an important plot point that every girl wants Peter. He is terrible, the girls are either young or morally bankrupt murderous grown women. It tells a story within itself, a woman hating story, a little boy obsessed story, a mommy issue story, a story saying adult men are all inherently seen as the Bad Guy for being hurt by the Eternal Child and his group of underage followers... and we love these stories.
@@jasminejacobs6862 I'm honestly not surprised she was canceled because her entire tribe was a poor and racist representation of native Americans the only one that wasn't depicted in a racist manor was her
It wasn't just because the movie was old it was because every other native American in the movie besides her was literally the shade of crayon red and sung a song about how they're the red man and how the red man is always red even if someone else tells you that they're not red
@@jasminejacobs6862 you're not wrong Peter Pan definitely has a lot of underline issues with it's story and characters
But I'm honestly not surprised
I mean that's what happens when you adapt pedo stories
@@sillyswirlsproductions145 yes, JM Barrie is that p word.
Making a sequel and choosing not to perfect on the racist stereotype and completely leave all representation out is worse to me, as my father was 1/4th and his fully Native grandmother played a large role in his life, he would watch cowboy and 'indian' movies, but once beat my ass for playing in a "racist" way like his movies with my brother as a child.
It's very complicated to play pretend, embrace your own roots, see representation of ANY kind for Native Americans. I can only think off the top of my head, the biker character from Wreck it Ralph the Sequel and John Redcorn still standing. Joseph from king of the hill is a realistic representation of most modern day Native Americans, but Princess Tiger Lily was important as what she was, a young girl from a tribe basically being offered to her tribe's enemy... maybe a thought piece on what happened to my own great grandmother and many friends mothers and grandmothers in my rural area, being a good wife to a white man makes you white. Your children, if half native American, are white. It wasn't really a girl's choice, it could very well have been her fathers. Your family name has no trace, you have no roots, you have no hero.
Princess Tiger Lily is just really Pocahontas without the added element, Pocahontas was a real girl white old men in their 30s were "seduced by" at age 12-15 that Disney just glamourized and "aged up"....
I was one of the 3 animators that animated Jane as an adult in this film, which I loved doing. I was also the animator that animated the mermaids in the mermaid sequence in Return to Neverland. Originally, the mermaids weren’t going to be included in the sequel, just like the Indians. But in a town hall meeting review of the film, I campaigned to have the mermaids added into the film, which I was successful at achieving. 😍💕
Can you tell me why Captain Hooks song "I'll give you one guess" was removed in favour of the lost boys song?
woah thatsamazing
That’s incredible! 😀 I must find more of you guys. This film was my childhood and now that I’m in uni, I’m hoping to connect with fellow animators
Can we also talk about how gorgeous the animation is in the sequel? I've always loved how soft and smooth everything looks and moves, even the pirate ship looks great!
Drawpinion: remembering the Disney sequels Disney doesn't want you to
I remember this movie, tbh the third Cinderella movie has gotten back on the radar with memes. I am glad some of these movies are being remembered, even if some of them are kinda questionable
Love that Once Upon a Time is the example for most outlandish. That show was off the rails.
I mean you’re not wrong but as someone who actually started watching Once Upon a Time because of their Neverland episodes I actually really enjoyed the twist on his character (and he ended up becoming one of the fandom’s favorite characters).
@@andreamolinar6883 you mean Captain Hook/Killian Jones right?
@@maldon3659 I was actually talking about Peter but of course as a series regular, Killian’s fan base was much larger.
@@andreamolinar6883 that's Strange, because I don't hear that many people gushing over Peter Pan in Once Upon A Time, Killian Jones on the other hand...
@@maldon3659 mostly I think I just remember seeing a lot of Tumblr posts about Peter lol & the writers were always bringing him back for quick guest star appearances
First movie: haha I don't wanna go to sleep let's go to neverland!
Second movie: *war, it changes people.. It separates families.. I got kidnapped and brought to Neverland without knowing if I'll ever see my family again or if I'll make it back alive*
I was OBSESSED with Peter Pan: Return to Neverland!!! I related to Jane a lot and remember being in Love with her cool haircut! The soundtrack is worth mentioning too, it screams 2000s nostalgia
The idea that "kids don't care," and the assumption that "kids are stupid" is not an excuse to put out crap. Because, yes, kids ARE impressionable. Which is why it's especially important to give them/show them good quality stuff. Otherwise, bad quality stuff will affect their perception of what is good quality in a negative way. This is not to say I'm claiming that Return to Neverland is objectively bad, and I'm not saying that a movie can't be based on feel rather than thought (like Pinocchio, or Snow White). I'm more speaking towards how sorely we need good quality entertainment again, and not quite so much cash cow material that we're getting nowadays. I want entertainment companies to CARE again. That being said, I really love the analysis here, and what these two movies represent. As their messages of childhood really vibe with me. And I think the message from the first and the message in the second is a very organic transition in themes. As when we grow up, there is something of a, I don't want to say "temptation," but certainly a "pull" to set aside our childhood to only focus on adulthood, and all the terrible and pessimistic things that come with it. But if you only focus on adulthood, you could very well lose sight of the good hidden underneath, and only focus on the bad right in front of you, like it did with Jane.
Oddly enough, plenty of kids can tell when something is crap or “off” but because no one explains why, it’s harder for them to have reason to reject it. I recall seeing several movies and shows where I knew something was off but didn’t know why, just that I felt weird.
@@Window4503
That was me and the beauty and the beast sequels. I felt weird, but now that I’m older I realised younger me didn’t like it and it was basically my experiences as a child figuring out my tastes and comparing without me knowing
its really interesting to think of these direct to video sequels as a posibility for the smaller division of disney toons to recognize the bad or difficult or dated parts of the original movie, and try to do something about it. in that case, i feel its somehow slightly more valuable than the current disney trend of remaking the movies almost shot by shot with only a few cosmetic, badly made changes to attempt to be more "woke". i guess the sequel/prequel universe of the direct to video disney movies could be considered a series of "official fanfiction" done with a meager budget, but even then theres always a bit more creativity there than in the remakes :^/
i really liked your comparison of neverland to a playground! particularly because as a kid it was extremely easy for me to compare it to it, in the sense of it being a place of nerve wracking social dynamics where the kids in charge were the ones who came up with games and the rest had to lead. in that sense, the idea that, if everyone is not on the same page, it turns into an outright bullying ground is extremely accurate. im not particularly into the story of peter pan, but i cant deny that the sequel, with its more complicated concept of childhood, growing up too soon and the importance of fairytales and stories, does truly have quite some effort in the script department, which i really value
Her: ... to give Mr. Pan a chance-
Peter: WHAT DID YOU JYST CALL ME
The original Peter Pan was favourite movie when I was a kid, seconded by Robin Hood - too bad we didn't own either of those back then! I swear I only watched Beauty and the Beast video as often as I did because afterwards there was a long commercial of Peter Pan.
I'm happy that someone is finally giving positive attention to certain of the direct to video sequels. I like that some of them, like this one or The Lion King 2, or Cinderella 3 actually have fairly interesting stories and themes - even if a little clunky due to a short production time and lack of budget. I think it's just because we *zOoMeRs* grew up with them and have more affinity and willingness to see beauty in them - similar to how the younger generation who grew up with the Star Wars Prequels are kinder than people who were adults when they were released.
I LOVED The lion king 2 omg
@@LambentLight00 me too! I got all three movies as a gift from an aunt, they all practically lived in the DVD player! 🥰
I actually liked the Lion King 2
But the SW prequels are actually terrible. They weren't hated for nonsense reasons like some Disney sequels. They have giant, noticeable problems.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Yeah sure LJK, but that wasn't their point and you know it. Even if those prequels are "actually terrible", there a tons of people who grew up watching them and are important to them because of it, and just because they have "giant, noticeable problems" doesn't mean people can't find things in them to enjoy. We all loved weird things as kids that maybe aren't so great anymore, but we shouldn't feel ashamed nor shame on people for it
This movie is one of the few that I have a serious emotional connection to as it was one of the several films that I had watched while being in the hospital for a week when I was diagnosed with Type One Diabetes
I love this movie so much. The message is wonderful and I like that it's much more darker and realistic than the first one. (No shade towards the first movie, I just happened to grow up with the sequel.)
Keep up the amazing work, you deserve every like you get!
I was obsessed with Peter Pan movies as a kid, I rewatched them countless times but always liked the second one more exactly because of how female characters were handeled. I hated how Wendy was treated in the first movie, I felt so bad for her, and hated how Tinker Bell and mermaids were so jealous of her and treater her like crap, this rivalry and lack of female friendships annoyed me so much even as a little kid, I just wanted to see girls having fun and getting along too. So when I saw the sequel it was like everything I wanted in the first, it had a more interesting story line, had Tink and Jane befriend each other, even that part where mermaids were caressing her instead of trying to kill her like Wendy, was very short but it was so important to me and made me super happy. And also having Jane rescue everyone in the end, I just loved all of it. While the first movie is very dear to me and I love it a lot, the sequel was and will always be superior.
Unrelated, but the first Peter Pan was one of my favorite films growing up. Though something that was more remarkable about it was the special behind-the-scenes documentary that played after the movie. It was one of the first things that made me realize that movies were something that magically came out of nowhere, but was something that was made by people. That's something that has definitely resonated with me today.
That said, yeah, it's interesting how 'Return to Neverland' and the Disney fairy movies are much better stories than the original 1953 film.
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Oh wowwwwwe. Disney at it again. Lol 🤣 That’s so cool though
I had a tinkerbell phase. Plus my name is wendy....😑 how ironic right.
As far as disney sequels (tm) go, this one is easily one of the better ones for the simple fact that it actually builds upon the first and improves upon the characters of the first. If a film can't do that it fails as a sequel.
With the whole Native American caricature thing, I feel it’s a little more complex.
I say a little because it’s still clearly not a good thing and while I do give it a pass as a product of it’s time, if people want to alter them I wouldn’t really care. But at the same time, they aren’t portrayed as entirely bad, heck the only reason they capture the lost boys is because they think Peter did the same to Tiger Lily. And once they find out the truth they make peace with Peter and let the boys join in with their (extremely inaccurate) celebration. Hell speaking of Tiger Lily, even when under threat of drowning by a pirate she still stuck too her guns and wouldn’t talk. Which also kind of shows that not all the woman are portrayed negatively.
Again though, I would still raise every eyebrow I had if they adapted this straight. Personally I would pick a native culture, ask if they are ok with being represented in that film and then learn about their culture, specifically mention them as that tribe instead of just “Indians”, but keep the same plot points.
Anyway, interesting perspective from you I’ll have to look out for your vids in the future.
Your voice is so calming. Have you ever thought of making a podcast☺️?
This brought back a childhood memory of when I first went to eat at Wendy’s. I thought the theme was about Peter Pan’s Wendy and they would give us Peter Pan toys
Have you watched the Tinker Bell movies? In my opinion, they're a far better realisation of Disney's Neverland than the actual Peter Pan films.
Maybe but Peter Pan has a more interesting story
Hey explaining the sequel made me wanna cry because I grew up with it, and I loved it to bits (until my brother watched it everyday) and I think I might of baised my personality of her without realizing it ahah
Reject adulthood. Become child!
This sequel sounds like the basis for the movie Hook starring Robin Williams.😀
Jane is an absolutely superior character to Wendy. This movie is proof that sequels can be better than the original. Jane actually participates in the fighting, she isn’t a push over and both Peter and Jane learn from each other.
You're absolutely entitled to your opinion, but I don't agree that she is superior. Jane is a different type of character all-together, in a different era. Victorian education of little girls is to be kind, soft-spoken and polite. Little girls were dolled on, had dance lessons and tea parties. As a girl, your worth was to marry and have children someday. That's it.
Jane however, grew up in war. If anything hardens reality, it's being scared of dying. Men and women are less divided in dresswear and there's not much time for education, only for survival. To be able to fight is now a skill everyone must learn.
Jane is not a pushover because she was raised with different values. Being polite and soft-spoken will get you killed.
That doesn't mean Wendy is weak. And I don't think any female character with her traits would be in modern era's as well. It's simply a different kind of character that has a different narrative purpose in a story.
@@rebeccascholtes1438 Fair assessment but I don’t like Wendy and Peter. Peter treats her like crap and Jane and Peter grew as characters
I think that's a whole different topic though. You can like or dislike Wendy or Jane as a character, regardless of what you ship.
They both had character growth and arcs, they just carried different roles in the stories.
@@rebeccascholtes1438 okay to be fair I was harsh on Wendy but no one in relationship with a guy who treats them badly
@@karleecraziness9216 Nobody’s in a relationship with a guy who treats them badly?! HAHJAHAJAHAHHA oh my sweet summer child
I always thought the Native Americans in the film were not meant to be taken as literal representations but just what kids think they look like
Man as a kid I took the wrong message from the movie.
"We all are gonna grow up nothing we can do about it we will lose all our loved childhood things everything is bleak in the world of adulthood"
XD
Also told you what kind of kid I was
I have always loved the Peter Pan squeal more than the original. I grew up feeling more connected to Jane than Wendy, and I’m glad someone had something good to say about it.
To me Neverland itself is a child who hasn't been taught yet. Everything goes, as long you don't actually die then get over it. I do think the reason why Wendy is attacked so much is because the role she was placed in; a mother. Yes, a mother is someone who does give comfort but the main role is make sure you have the knowledge to grow up. Why wouldn't the native magical beings try to get rid of her like how a white blood cell does to a virus.
Edit: Also it's interesting how they drew Peter. It's clear in the books that Peter is just the id with no super ego in sight. Heck he battles a Captain, an authority figure. Peter only cares for fun in the moment. I feel like Disney made that show in his design. I have heard kids asking their parents if "Peter was Evil" a valid question. He looks very impish
I don't necessarily like your voice, and your tone is boring, but I give you huge respect for being the only person so far to acknowledge this film, being the only good Disney sequel of a classic, and being better than the original. So thank you.
I'm so glad that someone is talking about this sequel in particular! I think it is (and was) so underrated just because is a sequel from a classic Disney movie. Really loved your video and thank you for it 🖤
Have you seen Mickey Mouse and the 3 musketeers? I really like the movie but it’s maybe just nostalgia
Oooh! I also liked that movie!
Oh I loved that movie, I used to watch that all the time.
I have such vague memories of this movie but I used to love it! The part where she throws the whistle and joins the lost boys gave me like. major flashbacks I didn't even know where in my head.
What if after you stay at neverland for some years, like a hundo and you go visit earth and you age up rapidly then die, falling from the sky to go splat on the ground, people screaming and cops being called and you were a mystery case for them as they don't know who you are.
I was already grown up when I saw this movie and I was pleasantly surprised by how good it was.
As a teacher in elementary school, children will absolutely use the "it's just a game" to get out of anything. That's why they are in school and why they have parents and teachers to guide them into what is appropriate behavior and inappropriate behavior. Also, it is my belief that children are good but self-serving; if they have to choose between themselves and someone else, they will always choose themselves. That's why it is very important for parents and teachers to teach about concepts like "empathy", "sympathy", "helpfulness", "selflessness" and the like as well as boundaries and what it means to say "no" and in which situations they should reinforce said boundaries in order to protect themselves.
I can’t watch Peter Pan, the way they treat their dog makes me cry
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@@DrawpinionDump it’s too sad :(
To me, this movie and Bambi 2 are the best Disney sequels with Lion King 2 and Cinderella 3. Thoses movies expand the universe, developped more the characters and the villains, had good animation and pretty music, cool action, good drama. They aren't perfect but soooooo enjoyable :D It's not just the same adventure than the first movie with minor changes, the stories are completely differents! Also the changes in them makes sense and are fun to watch unlike in Hunchback 2 and Jungle Book 2 (Yeah giving a girlfriend to Quasimodo and making the villain lame was a good idea XS Same with making Kaa and Sher-khan useless and ridiculous. Thank
4:45 ma'am, i have cried every damn time they say goodbye
Peter pan 2 and Aladdin 3 are the best of the disney sequels
This is Cinderella 3 erasure
Aladdin 3???????
@Irrelevant Nobody The Stitch sequels suck lol, everyone is flanderised and the most interesting part of Lilo- her struggles with social workers in the wake of her parents' death and her distaste at the commercialization of her culture-is gone. It's just kinda generic space adventure stuff. Also Hamsterviel sucks ass as a villain.
@Irrelevant Nobody No, they're not horrible, but they lack the heart of the first movie. And the 600+ experiments were obvious toy bait. Hamsterviel is a step down from first movie Gantu/The Galactic Federation.
I love the sequel more than the original. Finally, someone spoke the truth!
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I feel like this is an underrated movie
While Cinderella 3 was epic and just a masterpiece
This touched on more serious topics and I feel like it was a better movie than the original for sure.
Squa not dancing squa get fire Wood
Wendy: squa not gonna fetch firewood Squa gose home!!
I'll give the movie props... you show me another Disney animated film that does WW2 events like The Blitz. Jane has to deal with Heinkel 111s dropping bombs on her. Neverland ain't got shit!
Cinderella III a twist in time of a fucken master piece I watched it religiously as a kid and I still love it today omg it was actually good change my mind
Agreed!
"theres no real consequence to the dangers brought up"
Hook who lost his hand becuase Peter fed it to a crocodile: 😐😐😐
Damn the themes of these two movies really struck a chord with me, and thinking about the context in my own life and childhood, it made me cry.
I watched the Peter Pan sequel (as well as a bunch of other sequels) a million times when I was little. I mean I'm still pretty little since Im only 13 but yeah I still love these sequels since for some like Peter Pan and The Little Mermaid the main character actually ended up making a mistake letting the villains almost win before they managed to fix it. That was just really unique compared to other things where the main character is kind of like a mary sue most times seeming to not have any negative qualities and not making any mistakes in their life. I bet when I'm older I'd still watch the Disney sequels over and over again. -w-
I always loved this movie when I was younger. I always related to Jane because I'm the oldest kid in my family and due to a shitty childhood, I felt like I had to grow up quickly to protect myself and my younger siblings. Especially the scene where she fights with her mom and yells at her brother to grow up, and the "I"ll try" song is played while she feels her world is falling apart
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This movie made me cry when I was little. Actually everything related to Peter Pan makes me weirdly emotional.
“Could a sequel even have a chance of turning out good?”
Ad: “We gotta update out financial plan”
Me: You just gotta make better movies
Return to Neverland is actually one of my favorites! I so agree with your analysis, and you make very good points. Peter Pan (2003) is my favorite of the Peter Pan films, but Return to Neverland is probably a close second bc it takes what's good about the Disney film and expands on it. (Plus Peter feels much less of a jerk than he is in the 50s original lol)
The worst part is that Tick Tock Croc is nowhere to be seen and is replaced with the Octopus
When I was younger I definitely had a girl crush on Jane. Like 6 or 7 “doesn’t even know what gay is” me
both jane and peter were my bi awakening as a kid
Growing up I was more of a fan of some of the sequels more so than originals. Like Little Mermaid 2, Return to Neverland, and Lion King 2; I personally connected more to them and their characters. Especially Kira from Lion King 2❤
Oh my god you unlock the hidden childhood memory of the fact that I watched the sequel and that was the one I watched.
My most quoted line from Peter Pan 2: "Socks. Two of em"
could you talk about the jungle book sequel???
"Most of them were not really well made"
Shows Aladdin and The King Of Thieves in the background
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I’ve had a crush on peter since I was a child and now I’m 17..
I love this movie, especially the ways it gives the OG a reality check
Another super cool video! Your analyses are awesome!
I remember getting ads for this on the Monsters INC vhs
I saw this one first, and for the majority of my childhood didn’t even realize it wasn’t the original one until I was shown it. I hate Peter Pan. I LOVE Return to Neverland.
Thank you for this! My friends and I are doing a podcast on animated movies from 2002 tonight so this was a great crash course! Don't worry I will watch the movie soon ^^ I will definitely mention your channel in the podcast!
Oh man I LOVED this movie as a kid, had it on dvd lol. It's nice to see someone taking the time to talk about it.
Between toy story 2 and Peter pan: return to neverland I'm pretty sure we have the exact same brain lol 😅
Its actually one of the better Disney sequels IMO.
I really appreciate the sequel! I was a little kid when it came out and have memories of seeing it in theatres. They had a Captain Hook costumed character before the movie who engaged with the kids.
I’m Native myself and my parents never let me watch the original movie. Disney wasn’t really allowed in the house (too many themes of child abandonment), but my mom admitted she also didn’t want me to be exposed to the racist caricatures of our peoples.
Pocahontas was also not allowed in our house, that’s a whole other can of worms that I won’t get into lol.
Not having those characters in the sequel is something I’m personally glad they didn’t include. :)
I don't know why I put off watching your stuff for as long as I did. You're so thoughtful and chill, and you take the time to bring up good things about films from our childhood that most people prefer to tear apart. I really should have checked this channel out sooner, TH-cam kept recommending you and I had the audacity to not trust their judgment v_v
I still think about how those pilots must be in an Asylum for probably reporting coming across a "Flying Pirate Galleon".
Omg your voice is so soothing I love your commentary
I grew up with a bunch of disney sequels and only got to see the original when I was a lot older and not really a kid anmore ( peter pan, lion king, little mermaid, aladin, beauty and the beast) and tbh I never disliked any of the sequels, and I even like the peter pan one more than the original ( but they were both good, and anyway what disney did back int he 2d era is way better than whatever the fuck they are doing now)
They will probably in 50 years or the future either have the protagonist be a robot and the message being non-human entities can do great stuff. Or the protagonist will be someone who is non-binary and will tell Peter pan about how gender is a spectrum.
i unironically want to experience the story of "Peter Pan, but with a robot protagonist"
Tbh I’d watch both these movies
It won’t even be 50 years tbh
I too love how Jane wasn't afraid to call him and refused to to shut up just because "it wasn't their intention" (an excuse commonly used to put the blame on the victim for being "dramatic"). I also see Wendy to be a bit inconsiderate w Jane. After all, she had spent most of her life in war and as an older sister, she was expected to be mature about her decisions. It didn't help that Jane felt as though she was more aware of what was happening around her than her own mother, thanks to Wendy always having this positive attitude (something understandable for a mother, but in the eyes of scared child that's trying to be strong, it is just terrifying).
funfact the second peterpan was the first disney movie i ever watched as a kid thereby i m extremly buyest and idc what u gonna say to it no matter how valid these points will be it wil lstill be one of my fav disney movies EVER ... and i m not sorry
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quick ran here, I know return to the sea seems like a cardboard copy of the first movie, but's more than that. I use to watch it all the time because of Melody. Both Melody and Jane were forced to live a life where they need to be someone else (Jane being an older sister and facing an harsh reality at a young age, and Melody to stand poise and be a proper princess and hiding something that deeply makes her happy). Both stories also tells how much support a kid needs in their time of need, If Wendy didn't even tell Jane the stories in the first place she wouldn't have that character development as well as peter and the others, Melody on the other hand needed the support to her liking and abilities and telling her that it's okay to live with those said things. That one scene in LM2:RTTS where Melody can't talk properly and being awkward to other kids her age and soon being humiliated because she was talking to Sebastian, I can relate to that, and what hurts that she couldn't even (hesitant on telling them) tell what she loves to her own parents because she knows that they would shut it down and would just makes her more disclosed. A weird thing to say but return to the sea just depicts a choice that a child shouldn't have and maybe even anxiety in the mix of it.