I always loved this sequel more than the original. You can easily understand why Jane is so serious, since she's a traumatised child living in World War II, and was forced to grow up too fast. She's a brilliant protagonist, and is a contrast to the dreamy, gentle soul that Wendy was at her age.
Same. To this day, I think Peter Pan 2's rendition of "Second Star to the Right" is much more well-done than the choir music version of the first movie. Kinda like a lullaby...
Same. I honestly never got why the original movie is still held in high regards to the point Tinkerbell got her own spinoff series. I find both Peter and especially Tinkerbell to be incredibly unlikable and straight up jerks for most of the movie
@@kristinahuchison2511 In the original J.M. Barrie play, Peter is depicted as a more villainous character despite being the main protagonist, where his and acts and actions are simply a byproduct of his immaturity: being in Neverland prevents one from aging physically, meaning he 's incapable of change, character development or redemption. In addition to cutting off Captain Hook's hand and feeding it to a crocodile, he does heinous acts like killing the Lost Boys when they age out of childhood, or simply exiling them to places unknown. Disney's version of the character on the other hand significantly toned down Peter's more sinister characterization in favour of making him more heroic while still maintaining his mischievous, youthful, immature and cocky attitude.
And she also doesn't hold Peter Pan on a high pedestal and knew when to call him out, even making him apologise for his behaviour. And she also didn't take Tinkerbell's crap either the way Wendy did
To be honest, Jane did need Neverland more than Wendy did and having come by herself instead of with 2 brothers, she was able to get more proper development. Wendy was a young teenager that wanted to stay a young girl/kid forever but she needed to grow up. I get that Wendy’s experiences changed her but she could have done that at home too. Jane on the other hand, was a young girl who believed that she was grown up and she needed regain her joy and hope. Jane could not to do this at home, it was wartime and She was going to be sent away and she is old enough to know that everyone she loves, she might never see again.
Weirdly the original had some really dark elements, and the second film represents the final message more. In the original book Peter was the youngest, and because he lacked emotional intelligence was actually a cruel and petty dictator to the lost boys. He helps because he wants to look brave and smart, not because he actually cares, and is just as likely to abandon cha if he gets bored. The final twist is that nonsense of the kids really grow up in the book. They all go to Wendy's family, all expected unconditional love and not a scalding or care for the heartbreak they gave their family. Ironically, it's the boy who never wanted to grow up that begins to mature, at first wanting to pretend the window was barred shut to keep everyone, but despite his need for the others attention he ultimately doesn't go through with it upon seeing Wendy mother waiting and crying for her child to return. He's the only one who grew up by gaining emotional compassion and empathy for others. In the same way, Jane might actually 'mature' but she isn't really grown up. She lacks any kind of emotional empathy for the others, only caring about her own needs to get home. Even in the early part of the film, while she is determined to do all she can to help because of the war, it is shown she doesn't connect emotionally with her family, which it could be argued would go further in helping them through the hard times than her obsessive listening to news broadcasts. In the end Jane grows emotionally from acting as a child, better able to connect and care about those around her and more conscious of the effects of her own actions.
@@rebelpyroflame Are you sure? I seem to remember that Peter Pan was originally a white bird and in fact that was the name of the book, The Little White Bird by James W Barrie.
@@rebelpyroflame Sounds like the original Peter Pan book was better than it's original Disney adaptation since it made sure the characters progressed/grew, and the sequel picked up on those parts of the book better!
I love the fact that Wendy floats immediately after getting in contact with pixie dust. Specially for the fact that she's still waiting for her husband to come back from the war and still has faith
She did age though. She had smaller eyes and a bustier body. And she was only 30 anyway. Wendy's age is only more noticeable because she was a child in the original film.
Yeah, I agree - Ariel physically & almost mentally really didn't age, even if she had a child at 17 (she was 16 when she married Eric) and then aged up 12 years by the time of most of her sequel. Even when she returned to her mermaid self, she looked the same while Flounder, her best friend, CLEARLY aged more than her. She merely conformed to fully being human & protecting her daughter from Morgana's threat and the sea, even though it meant she herself couldn't see the ones she loved ever again. She basically asked Ursula about this in the 1st film, in which the Sea Witch reminded her that at least she'd have Eric... which was still true. Wendy, on the other hand, was very mature yet had child-like beliefs, even when she ended her story in the first Peter Pan. She didn't want to leave the nursery - the life she was used to with Nana, John & Michael - yet she was at an age where she had to start growing up and become a young adult. Times may have been different & she did clearly grow up, but even the beginning of Return to Neverland showed that even as a girl, she promised she'd always believe in Peter Pan... and as a mother of two with a husband fighting in WWII and their city constantly being bombed at, she still kept her word & never stopped believing. She physically & mentally changed, but in spirit, she is still the same girl who can fly because she has faith, trust & pixie dust.
@@Juuchan17 I disagree. Ariel was much more sophisticated and reserved as an adult. In fact, she almost lost her identity in her pursuit of motherhood and security. Also, she had Melody at 18, not 17.
Actually, Ariel did age. Sure she still has a fantastic body for having gone through pregnancy, but if you look closely when she’s talking to her daughter, you can see wrinkles around her eyes. I always appreciated that little attention to detail.
@@Joy6168 I mean, it is possible for women to get back into their previous shape after pregnancy through a healthy diet. And stretch marks become less and less visible over time. But yeah, Ariel has small crow's feet. As well as bigger hips and chest. It was only as pronounced as marketing let her be, but it was noticeable.
As an older sibling who absorbed the mindset of "you need to be the family's backup in case something happens" when I was seven, I always thought that those who would criticize Jane's character for being "too uptight" must have had a very kind environment during their childhood.
I agree...and for Jane, this burden is even heavier because her country is at war and her home is no longer safe, and her she has been personally affected by the war because her Daddy has gone to fight and he made her promise to take care of her mother and little brother, and that's why she had to grow up far too soon. She takes the responsibility of this promise very seriously. Its just VERY ironic timing that Captain Hook kidnaps Jane when she is at her most vulnerable, to learn this lesson that she needs to find her childhood hope again. She genuinely feels remorse for fighting with her Mom and her brother and she wants to heal that rift, but to do so means she has to not only confront this entity that she said ISN'T REAL (i.e. Peter Pan, Neverland, fairies, etc.) she has to come to terms with it, if she wants to go home to her family.
Makes me appreciate being the youngest all the more. While my brother was never uptight, I do remember him being lectured and judged a bit more for being the eldest boy, thus "should know better". While I at times got a bit of a pass for being the youngest girl. He was also told "You're the man of the house now" (albeit jokingly) when our dad had to transfer to another state for work. Still, he was (and is) a good brother who always loved me and continues to look out for my best interests while understanding my limitations and needs. Wouldn't trade him for the world 💜
The scene where Jane cried as Tinkerbell was dying from her sickness, with "I'll Try" playing in the background really got me emotional as a kid. Growing up, I didn't knew that Tinkerbell can be revived through clapping your hands to believe in magic in the original _Peter Pan_ play, thus the "Tinkerbell Effect" was invented.
When I went to Disneyland Paris this summer I noticed that a piece of score of THIS sequel (the intro soundtrack) was used for the beginning of the fireworks show!! I was so pleasantly surprised!! Probably I was one of those people there who recognised the music immediately because I grew up loving this movie 😊
The reunion with Peter and adult Wendy just made me sob when I watched the movie with my niece. Seeing the glow in Wendy's eyes. Everything about it was pure perfection.
While I love the coldness of Hook in the original, his characterization here is incredible. His cunning is just expanded on in this film, especially in his plan to capture Pan this time around. He assesses Jane's greatest strength and weakness, her maturity, in like two seconds and proceeds to play her like a damn fiddle. He first lowers her guard by disarming himself, both literally with his sword and metaphorically by allowing himself to be perceived as weak or soft by "crying." He then allows Jane to wield his sword and threaten him, before depicting himself and Jane to be in a similar situation: Stuck in Neverland. After raising himself to be equal to her once again, as it seems he is the only other sane person here, he strikes a deal with her which he later breaks on account of a loophole. Again, playing fair and square just as he did in the original novel. With victory in sight, he ends the interaction with his sword back in his possession, a brand new pawn, and all the power back in his hand. Or, hook. What a fucking legend.
I definitely love this hook more than the original and glad his replaced actor got to play hook in Jake and the neverland pirates while yes he was dumbed down because it’s a kids show there are parts where he shows his mischievous self like the special episodes like rescuing bucky and Peter Pan Returns
When Hook kidnaps Jane misaken her for Wendy 2 things 1 Its very convenient that he not only knows where they live but Wendy decided to live in her old house . 2 it realy shows how obessive Hook is with getting revenge on Peter Pan as its shown he could easily just get up and leave Neverland and Peter behind if he wanted too
People can say what they will about "Peter Pan: Return to Never Land." But it's a Disney sequel that I truly love! I found it to be a very interesting continuation of the classic tale.
Me too. This sequel is what got me introduced to _Peter Pan_ before I watched the first film. Looking back, the original play/novel and the Disney film makes Peter Pan diabolical.
I love to think about what might have happened if Jane had turned the loophole in her deal with Hook back on him. She could have claimed he did in fact harm the hair he promised he wouldn't harm by removing it from the head on which it was growing, thereby nullifying the deal and leaving him in an awkward situation. Not a plot hole or anything, Jane is still a child after all, but it is funny to imagine Hook embarrassed in front of his entire crew cause he got outsmarted by a child.
Yeah it’s actually the rare Disney sequel that stands really well alongside its source material. I don’t think it’s better than Simba’s Pride or Cinderella 3, but overall, I think it captures the spirit of the original and actually really does a great job of expanding Peter, Wendy, Tink and even makes Jane a very likable protagonist who grows and evolves over the course of the film.
I like the movie for all the same reasons that you do, and an extra point: the octopus is a more interesting “animal attacker” from an animation standpoint. Octopi are both flexible and wiggly, so seeing that shown off in animation was a real treat. It gave the octopus a TON of personality and presence.
Might be a controversial take, but I can definitely see why this movie has a stronger narrative. It also made a lot of things more likable than the slightly to absolutely cynical feel of the first movie, mind you this is supposed to take place during goddamn WWII. However I do prefer the croc, though I wonder what your opinions are on those prequel Tinker Bell movies.
Honnestly Wendy's reunion with Peter is my absolute favorite part of this movie, there are so many little details, Wendy can still _Fly_ but its Also a bit of awareness for Peter when Edward, Wendy's husband returns home from the war, she rushes down immediately to go welcome him whatever fondness she had for Peter is a candle to the bonfire she has for her husband, and you think, if he allowed himself to age like Wendy did, that could have been him. But Peter can't change, can't grow, so he did what he always does; flees back to Neverland.
The hill I will always die on is that “I’ll Try” from Return to Neverland and “I’m Still Here” from Treasure Planet served their narrative purpose and are actual bop. Anyone that says otherwise meet me at a Denny’s (jk, but seriously, I love those songs so much)
I find that Jane actually needed Peter Pan because she was a child who had to learn to grow up fast during a time of war while hers and Danny's dad went to join the front lines, she couldn't see the light of "childish nonsense" because of such a dire time despite her mother's attempts at wanting to make an outlet for her and her brother. I agree, that this movie is about Jane's journey of finding her inner child and learning how to have faith, trust and pixie dust, which is why Return to Neverland feels the most context and real. I also enjoyed this take on Peter because he's more empathetic to Jane's desire to return home versus how adamant he was towards Wendy wanting to go home in the first movie. He also doesn't try to stop her from leaving but instead offers her help by trying to make her understand that without believing in magic, she'll never be able to leave Neverland. Yes, there are still moments that make Peter seem like a jerk, but he's shown more maturity than he did in the first movie, he also tries to apologize to her for their earlier arguement (even though he's looking for Jane to save Tinkerbell). Peter in my opinion shows the most change and it was such a lovely transition. Also older Wendy's belief in Peter is also what makes it hold more depth because she's still the same which is a symbol to many adults who are still able to hold onto their youth without letting the world corrupt them. In a way, this movie was a lesson to all of us to enjoy life even when it looks bleak and helpless, make the most of it
The 1950's Peter Pan is all about being willing to grow up, while the sequel is about how being too mature too early limits maturity. Both films really are two ingredients of the same recipe.
I agree. I never liked the original movie. The plot was weird, many of the characters were unlikable and... it just had plenty of things wrong with it. But the sequel was truly enjoyable. Better character development, a better protagonist that, despite being a jerk, you could understand why, and better yet, an older Wendy meeting Peter Pan again. And finally, Peter's development finally felt like it progressed. And Tinker Bell too.
The characters were meant to be h likable because they’re on noxious little kids lol. And of course it’s a movie made by time so it’s going to have some problematic things. If Jane was placed in the first movie, she would be just as bad lol
@@BabyGirlTiny Wendy and her brothers were just these perfect little kids. It felt like they got no character development at all. They just went through an adventure and that's it. Jane on the other hand, was the much better protagonist. She didn't take any BS from Peter or any of the kids. She could be a jerk, but one that you understood. Not only was she in the middle of a war, but her dad was expecting her to be a 'big girl' that took care of her mother and brother, so it's no wonder she tried too hard to be an adult. Regardless of her actions, you knew that she was never a bad kid to begin with. She was still a child, that tried too hard to be an adult and went about it the wrong way. She felt deep regrets for her actions afterwards, not only for what she did to her brother, but for what happened to Tinkerbell and Peter. And if she hasn't been good, she wouldn't have fallen to Hook's manipulation. All in all, Jane was one awesome protagonist that went through great character development. Not only that, but thanks to her, both Peter Pan and Tinkerbell went through some positive changes too, something they greatly lacked in the original movie.
@@lulystalgianature2968 I agree. I don't feel as harsh about Wendy, because Wendy seems to have been a charachter before disney discovered their disney princess brand. I will also just blame the original book for how thebplot structure feels like you are tagged along with Peter Pan and how he goes from one interesting place to the next. It reminds me very much of Alice in Wonderland, where it all feels like a feverdream, because it is. They bothered to give Jane a personality, one that makes sense. I also giggle a little bit that they really never truly managed to give Wendy a personality besides her believing in Neverland. She was pretty bland in the original, but even in the sequel, she really still believes in Neverland, and the only moment where she breaks away from that is when she has her encounter with Peter and actually insists that she does remember it and somewhat also wants to believe in it. It feels very true and I love that, but ironically, this attitude that she held onto childlike wonder seems to have influenced Jane, because Jane is sick of how her mom is telling stories of Neverland, while literal bombs are being dropped on them.
@@corneliahanimann2173 Even Wendy was a better character in the sequel. You could tell she was a great mother and wife, but never left her childhood wonder and never forgot the adventure. Even Jane, despite trying hard to be a 'big girl' and not pay attention to her mother's Peter Pan stories, she couldn't help listening. When Wendy was telling Danny a story, Jane tried to act all mature and not listen, even using headphones to avoid hearing a thing, but left what she was doing and listened too, even smiling about it. She tried to act all stoic about it afterwards, but we as the audience knew she did enjoy her mother's story and also had that childlike wonder no matter how hard she tried to hide it. That was a terrific scene, and a great moment for both Wendy and Jane.
@@lulystalgianature2968 oh I so much agree with this. I never thought too much about it, but now thinking back, this movie had so much going on, like this video did not mention that Jane's dad is at war, but we gof a scene with him in the beginning telling her she has to look after the family and he will be back "before you know it", which really adds layers to why Jane is so frustrated with having been innocent and childish enough to ever believe that could be true. I am not even sure if Jane sees her father by the end of the movie, but she has learned to be a child again in a time that robbed children of an authentic childhood. I also love what you pointbout, thst Wendy gains more layers to her character, as you can feel her maturity, but she has become wiser but not altered from the person she was in the original film, given that she may never see her husband again, and is still there enthusiastically telling her kids about Neverland.
I also like this one better than the original, and I definitely find the "I Try" song powerful as well. I was really pleasantly surprised when I saw it in the theater as a kid.
I actually like this one better, as Peter Pan isn't such a jerk that you hate him. In the original, he seems jerksih to an extreme. And the fact that Tinkerbell would defect to Hook for a while due to how nasty he was says a lot about him. Here, he actually seems more hero than antihero.
The Disney sequels really aren't that bad as some say. Not all of them at least. I'd say most of them are quite good (in some cases better) if not just alright. I actually forgot this movie took place during world war 2 so when I rewatched it last year after not seeing it for like, 10 years, my first reaction was a resounding "oh shit they really went there" And it honestly really works and makes Jane's character even more understandable since she probably had to take on a much more adult role at such a young age. Wendy obviously tried her best to keep that childlike wonder alive but at Jane's age, her view of being an adult would much more be in line with how she acts despite Wendy's attempts. It's kind of tragic really
I could never find the disc to the first movie, so I just had to watch the second movie to watch if I wanted to watch Peter Pan. I loved this movie and the chemistry with the characters was more believable than the original movie.
When I was still in the military, I used to make up funny stories to help keep up my spirits. Like the one of the Penguins and Pigeons fighting a secret war over Australia called “World War 17”. I told this particular story to my Sergeant Major, a veteran of combat in places like Fallujah. He thought they were hilarious, and he told me his own funny stories that he used to tell when he was younger. For a man like him, I think he appreciated the value of levity and storytelling during difficult times.
As a child this was my comfort movie. Such a strong girl protagonist to identify with. Her struggle deeply resonated with me. I had a disrupted childhood and had to grow up fast, holding a lot of responsibility for myself and to an extent also my family. I also had a disconnect with my sister who was ever joyful and seemed so undisturbed by what happened, while I felt so misunderstood and alone and like I had to manage everything on my own. I replayed some of these scene when I was a child over and over again. The memories of my love and attachment to this film just resurfaced and it made me really emotional. Thank you for this video, it brought back meaningful memories (even the bittersweet ones)
I FREAKING LOVE THIS MOVIE! I’m a sucker for history, so the subplot of the London bombings drew me in, and the general plot of this movie was so good!!!
This was so unique and I am so glad they opted for a theatrical release (something they should have done with Lion King 2). A girl exposed to the horrors of war unable to connect with her family's embrace of magic and imagination due to her early maturity Her clash with Pan and refusal to accept Neverland was in stark contrast to Wendy which makes for an alluring concept. This movie really fleshed out the character of its protagonist more than it did with its predecessor.
This was a movie I quite enjoyed as a kid and I was pleasantly surprised to see that I still enjoy it. I don't think it's amazing but I do quite like the ideas this movie presents and there are aspects I prefer in this movie over the first, mainly the pacing. The ending is also really sweet, the movie concludes in a really nice way. It's a bit of a shame how it seems to get ignored whenever people talk about Disney sequels since it technically isn't a straight to DVD sequel (despite very much being in that lineup) but it also isn't apart of Disney's main sequels, putting it in this weird middle ground.
Although it has been AGES since I have watched any of the Peter Pan movies, I am still in the opinion that each represents their times well. The original Peter was pre-Wendy, so he was more psychopathic because he had no one to provide him with a gentler approach; he was on his own, which was reflected in the land itself. The first movie was pre-war based, where the plot was more faithful to the original book because Peter was a child who was a menace without a parent's guidance, so his childlike innocence was leaning to that childlike sadistic tendencies since no one was able to provide that guidance to him. The second movie clearly is more modern and has the war theme with Jane, who is now a poor traumatized young girl that had to grow up too fast to survive better in her environment. When Jane meets Peter now, you can tell that Wendy had left a huge impression on him and he was able to see by example from Wendy and her siblings how children can be calmer, which in turn reflects in Neverland. Of course, this is just how I see it because I see no need to bring dislike on two movies clearly set in two different time periods that portray adventure differently for the generation of children it was made for (1953 vs 2002 almost 50 years difference). I love both movies for different reasons, but I do agree the second one is more lively with better-provided lessons than the first because that's how it was meant to be produced. Anyway I am ending my ramble and adding this to my playlist lol great video dude
I was surprised that Peter talked to adult Wendy in this movie. It's a short scene but really cute, i was happy to see both characters meet again 🥰Them having fun was adorable! The only thing i hate in this movie is the Lost boy's song. They can't sing well, she's too short and doesn't really told us anything about them. Cut her from the movie and the story won't change much. In short, the song is useless!
Let me tell you. My brother and sister would always put this movie on compared to the first Peter Pan. We loved the soundtrack and were emotionally invested in tinkerbell and Jane. Also the Robin Williams one we decided was the 3rd continued of this as Peter Marries Jane. Then don’t get me started with the 2007 Peter Pan we swooned as kids but were in love with the soundtrack and storyline behind that one as well. All better than the first Peter Pan animation in my opinion.
I was a Jane growing up, forced to mature too fast. Grew up chronically ill, in and out of hospitals with many medications and surgeries, poked and prodded. I totally related to her. The frustration I felt towards my parents for trying to get me to have faith or be positive when that was never my outlook of the world. Where I missed a lot of my childhood. I’ll Try to this day is my favorite Disney songs at 20 years old.
2:19 Technically it's literally just a reapeat of the "Captain hook gives his word not to lay a finger…or a hook on Peter Pan" that's in the first movie...
This movie always has a place within me. I was newly adopted and that ‘I try’ scene just hit me as a child. I even showed my mum the scene and she said ‘oh she looks like you’ meaning the character. That stayed. Many years later when I was 10 I found it again the film and I was hyperfixated on it for few months. I guess I was mirroring Jane at that time growing up. Oh I forgot to say that tinkerbell scene 😭😭😭😭😭😭,
I also had to become very grown up very quickly when I was a child. My mother was extremely dependent on me to take care of *her*, not the other way around. Jane is one of the only children in any media I have seen burdened with heavy responsibility like this and I love that the message of the story is for her to hold onto childish things; to be a kid. It's something that took me so long to re-learn as an adult and why this movie holds such a special place in my heart.
After watching your review and thinking it over I’m surprised how much Return to Neverland has in common with Fox’s Peter Pan and the Pirates, the cartoon. Both Flesh out Never Land and it’s characters both sticks to the book, and both really explore the themes of Peter Pan really well. You should really give it a watch!
Even if I wish they kept Wendy’s original voice actress, Kath Soucie did great as Adult Wendy, because she never fails to play a sweet understanding mother who loves her children very much and makes you feel better when you need someone to talk to.
I think the reason people complain about "I'll Try," being a pop song is that it kind of takes viewers out of the World War II setting. I think if the same song had been done in a more timeless style, or even in a style from that era if they could pull it off, it might've gotten more love. I mostly love the song except for a pitchy bit toward the end.
I feel like this as a Peter Pan movie in general is kind of criminally underrated. I LOVE the chemistry between Peter Pan and Jane and I feel like both of them kind of grew a lot through the movie. The Lost Boys are definitely more fun in this one and I like how they each have more distinct personalities like you mentioned. I MISS the sword fights in this one though not gonna lie. Peter Pan to me is both fantasy and somewhat of a swashbuckler but that is just my opinion. There is one potentially BRILLIANT thing that could just be me theorizing the heck out of this scene but I'm curious. So, at the end of the movie, when Wendy is listening to Jane telling Danny stories about Neverland, we hear the little melody that Peter plays on his pipes throughout the first movie in the background. We also hear Tinkerbell's magic sparkling (I don't know if that's what you'd call it) in the background and then Wendy turns and goes to the nursery window. My theory is (and please please please feel free to disagree or critique or whatever) that Peter played his pan flute like right outside the window and Tinkerbell was just...around maybe? and THAT's what Wendy heard. It would make sense with the lore of the book/play for sure. Idk. Thoughts? It would be an interesting touch because otherwise (and this is like...my other really major complaint regarding Peter Pan the character specifically besides the slight lack of sword fighting), we don't see or hear Peter's flute at all in the movie.
Ralph Wrecks the Internet was just the Reverse Return to Neverland where that direct to video movie redeemed its characters, Ralph Wrecks the Internet wrecked its characters especially Ralph and Vanellope.
15:21 to add to this, as you mentioned, you can’t see Jane singing because it doesn’t make sense for Jane to sing. Singing by the protagonist in Disney movies have always been magical, fantastical, uplifting or hopeful, and as you mentioned many times before, Jane has none of that in this point of the story. She is carrying this huge burden on her shoulders and believes she cannot show any weakness to anyone, not even us. Someone else has to do it for her, and none of the other characters will sing for her because they don’t see or feel what Jane does, so “the narrator” has to do it.
It's kind of ironic you mention the theme of maturity and being in touch with your inner child, because I have a pretty sad story about my experience with this movie. I was 8 years old and my younger brother and I were visiting our grandparents by ourselves over February break in 2002. One of the things we did was have my grandfather take us to the movie theater to see this movie, and we were the only three people in that theater. Even though there was nobody else around, it felt kind of embarrassing, and I ended up interpreting that experience as an early sign that I might be getting old, because why else would nobody else be seeing this movie that is very clearly for kids? I must emphasize: I WAS 8!!! That is way too young of an age to be having a mid-life crisis like that!!
Same. I didn't care for Peter Pan 1, but I loved Peter Pan 2! Jane was outspoken and was not afraid to tell anybody ne when they made her upset or uncomfortable or even when they crossed the line. I always though that if Tigerlily was in the second movie, she and Jane would have been fast friends. It would've also given Tigerlily more screentime and shown her as a proper character. But I still love the movie and never could understand the hate it or Jane recieves.
I think many people's problem is not it being a "pop" song but moreso the fact that it's a MODERN song in a movie that takes place in the 40s. If it was a 70s punk rock song people would say the same thing
I completely agree! This movie did an amazing job portraying why it’s important to not let go of your sense of wonder. Even during the toughest times. Tho I have no idea why they named the dog “Nana 2” 🤣
See i thought i was crazy for liking this one better than the first. Like the first film is iconic, but Return to Neverland (and especially that song) moves me to tears every single time.
While it has it's flaws (especially the song So to Be One of Us) that makes it unable to live up to most sequels, I think Return to Never Land is an surprisingly decent sequel, especially helped by Corey Burton's portrayal of Captain Hook.
I want to take a moment to acknowledge the opening score of the movie. The way it’s, haunting, mysterious, magical, nostalgic… I’ realising now that it foreshadows Jane’s whole journey and character growth (imo). Starting with the haunting minor key melody that reflects her present environment of WW2 England, to the magic and mystery of never land (even calling back to the “following the leader” tune the from the first film) to a more triumphant and hopeful ending. It’s hard for me to describe using technical music terms but I just love it so much!
i love that flight itself appears to have a theme (when peter flies jane through neverland and when jane flies) that kind of sounds like a part of "you can fly".
Still think it’s so funny that they cooked so hard with this movie’s soundtrack, Disneyland Paris’ old nighttime show Disney Dreams (which featured the first movie’s characters) used the score from this movie over the original
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Totally agree with everything, well done. I love Peter Pan Return To Neverland and it’s one of my favorite and comfort movies. Jane in my opinion is how to write a flawed main character because at the same time you can’t be too mad at her because due to growing up during World War II she is forced to grow up so quickly, really missing her dad and not knowing if he’s alive or dead. Makes it understandable to lost the childhood sprit. Than having to go away with her little brother for a while and to tell him Peter Pan stores has to really rub salt in the wound. She’s also trying to grow up which can be relatable for anyone her age. Her arc is so heartwarming because everything you said. Which is how Jane and Peter are able to balance each other because he’s like the kid who is still tryin to enjoy his childhood and Jane is the kid trying to grow up. Just like how Alex Hirsch describes Dipper and Mabel Pines. They definitely do have good chemistry. Tinker bell sort of represents childhood spirit. Wendy is definitely how to be a kid at heart, while still being a adult. Of course Captain Hook and Mr Smee are still there funny selves. I agree that scene with Peter and Wendy is so heartwarming, just like the ending of Toy Story 3.
12:18 wow, I didn’t know that! I mean I knew that Wendy had a daughter named Jane at the end of the show, but I thought that was referencing THIS movie instead of it being the other way around! Guess I learn something new every day.
The scene where Tinker Bell dies is literally that one scene from Pokemon: The First Movie but better executed in every single way. I actually broke down during that scene as a kid. Ash being petrified from Mewtwo and getting revived via Pokemon tears is nothing compared to this.
I have to agree, the scene were Ash died and was revived by the Pokemon's tears felt extremely forced. But then again, I've also heard it said that the message in the movie was also forced, about the violence of fighting, but in a movie from a series all about catching creatures and making them fight each other. Personally, I think the people who believe that are not fully understanding the nuances of it -- the message is supposed to portray how it can be taken too far, even when fighting for sport, as it is, but I can somewhat see how people would arrive at that conclusion. I would comment more on the movie, but I'm not familiar with Peter Pan; kinda wonder if at some point I should try to watch those movies?
@@matthewkuscienko4616 You can watch Peter Pan whenever you want to. Just keep in mind that the original Disney film has some moments that haven't aged well, and that's the best way I am putting it.
I didn't hate Wendy in the 1953 movie, but she is much more interesting and more admirable here, as an adult, and not just any type of adult, but a woman who has stayed as a single mother when her husband was called to the frontlines to fight in World War II. Most persons at that time, in those circumstances, lost or practically lost all hope, but not Wendy. She remains hopeful and joyful and tries to transmit that same hope and joy to her children, which is not an easy task when your city is, you know, being periodically bombed. Return to Neverland already made Wendy Darling into a strong, independent woman, without damaging her kind-hearted and motherly nature, who is incredibly inspiring to anyone who watches her. Because you need to be very emotionally and mentally strong not to lose hope in such hard times, such as the London Blitz. My favourite scene with Wendy might just be the one when she has gone to the shelter with Danny and Danny is afraid because of the bombs, and she says "Oh, that's what sounding? I think it's more Captain Hook with his pirate crew and ship!" And then Danny smiles and starts cosplaying Peter Pan again. 💕 And Jane is one of the best female protagonists in Disney's entire catalogue. Fully agree, Return to Neverland is indeed a genuinely good movie. 💖
I don’t understand how you can say she’s more interesting when she doesn’t do anything but be who she was in the first movie, except she has kids and she’s doing it to her kids lol.
I’ve always liked the first one probably because watched it more but I do agree that the second movie has more development and plot. I watch the first one for the magic and shenanigans and the second one for the character development. I love Wendy in the first because of her wanting to stay a child and I love Jane in the second for understanding she needs to be a child at times even if she believes being mature is superior. They are both amazing characters.
Ooh, I got here relatively early! 😎⌚️ Unrelated, but I would love to hear Rockotar do a video on Dick Tracy (1990). It’s a criminally underrated movie that is still very unique, especially compared to the comic book movies that we see today! 👍 It also has a fascinating story behind how it was made!
It's sad that Diney cut Captain Hook's villain song "I'll give you one guess" from the sequel because they was afraid that the audience would grow to like the character too much. But Return to Newerland has never been a bad movie and it is one of the few sequels that are better than the first movie. However, this doesn't mean that I would think the movie is flawless and I won't deny that the sequel still has its own pros and cons.
I enjoyed this, just subbed. I remember enjoying Peter Pan and it led me down a little rabbit hole of the story and I liked other Peter pan movies, especially Hook with Robin Williams. But the og has it's uhh problems lol. I haven't seen it as adult though. I can't believe I missed the sequel, it looks good. Glad I got to hear about it.
im so glad you’re talking abt this movie I thought this sequel was actually good and i was just so unsure what people thought abt it. i thought ppl hated this movie cuz its a sequel and its Disney
THIS WAS ONE OF MY ALL-TIME FAVOURITE CHILDHOOD MOVIES!!! The original Peter Pan was really, really boring to me, but THIS one stuck with me A LOT, even though I was pretty small when I'd watched it the most. I think it was also my first real exposure to, like, war and stuff, which had a weirdly strong impact on me, seeing it from Jane's perspective. The musical number from 15:30 still pops in my head from time to time, even to this day lol
I agree with basically everything that you're saying. No notes. I did, however, have to comment on the "pop music" bit, because that confuses me too. The "pop" is short for popular. And things are usually only popular if they're good. So saying all pop music is bad, is just.... eh. Y'know??
@@RADARMYBRAT32 I'd say about 8 or so are genuinely good or great movies (not counting all the Tinker Bella and Winnie the Pooh stuff, which would boost the number a bit). The rest just kind of exist. But I do think there are more good ones than people say, but only a few more.
This movie is the literal representation of the best parts of my childhood. The fun, the awesome characters and the colorfulness. Heck this was the first movie where I saw the early concept of 3D animation! And loved it! Hook's ship magically flying through WW2 London at night is the most memorable scene I ever saw. And that orange octopus is secretly my spirit animal, nobody dare hurt him because I'm coming for them. Seriously I'd love to be in this movie.
The only Disney sequels I like are Aladdin 3, Lion King 2, Little Mermaid 2 and Jungle Book 2. These are the only ones imo who actually added something meaningful to the characters.
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OK, I mostly agree with this. But allow me to make a rebuttal on the character of Wendy. When I was a little girl, I wanted to BE like Wendy (and to a larger extent, all of the oldest Disney princesses, like the original Cinderella and Snow White and Aurora). And I think that’s just as valuable! I wanted to be like Wendy and those other princesses because they were patient, kind, thoughtful, virtuous, responsible, and demure (without being doormats or enablers). All of those traits are things that any person should aspire to be! I understand that Jane and most other “modern“ characters influenced by modern feminism are more _fun_ to watch for some, because they’re more feisty and flawed and loud and bold and snarky. But I don’t think it’s right to take a “feisty“ character, and use her to bash more soft spoken, gentle, patient characters. Jane might be more “relatable“ because she’s more flawed and modern, but that doesn’t make Wendy an empty character. She’s an _inspirational_ character. She strives to be maternal, gentle, patient, understanding, non-confrontational, and to always do the right thing. Just because that makes her less “fun“ and less “relatable“ then Jane, doesn’t mean she’s an “empty” character - or a boring girl. All that being said though… I’m looking forward to watching your Tinker Bell videos! Those movies are still so underrated IMO, and I adore them. Subscribed!
I'm so glad I found this video. I always thought I was the only one who preferred this over the first movie. Genuinely one of my favourite Disney movie. The only issue I really have is that it should've been longer
This movie is so underrated and as a huge fan of Disneys Peter Pan this deserves a A+ they made Captain Hook more evil and his crew did better and they showed everyone a lot more than the original classic
This is such a comfort movie for me and I'll Try makes me sob everytime I hear it. I was a little weary when you mentioned not being a fan of the og Peter Pan but honestly I agree with most, if not all, of your critiques and it's leaving me wondering how much better it could've been if those thoughts were taken into account. I really loved this video. Thank you for making it.
I will say, the changes to the characters of the lost boys, including Peter, can probably be contributed to Wemdy's influence. Sure, they are still childish boys, but it's also clear that Wendy's words did have some sort of an impression on them.
This video made my really happy! I feel like no one understands my love for this Sequel but you just put into words what I feel about it! I always just adored the concept of a magical place were you don't grow up, but really feel in love with Peter Pan after watching this movie as a child. After that he and this movie became my favorite Disney property and when I felt down at times (and when the whether would allow it) I used to sleep with my window open in hopes of Peter Pan finding me and taking me to a better place .^.
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Oooooh BOY! Now that this movie is out of the way, I can finally talk about the real movies in this franchise. The Tinker Bell movies!
Yes!
YES!
Ngl i like most of the tinkerbell movies
Yes, I'm a huge fan. of this saga, so underrated!
Ahhh so I thought
I always loved this sequel more than the original. You can easily understand why Jane is so serious, since she's a traumatised child living in World War II, and was forced to grow up too fast. She's a brilliant protagonist, and is a contrast to the dreamy, gentle soul that Wendy was at her age.
Same.
To this day, I think Peter Pan 2's rendition of "Second Star to the Right" is much more well-done than the choir music version of the first movie. Kinda like a lullaby...
Same. I honestly never got why the original movie is still held in high regards to the point Tinkerbell got her own spinoff series. I find both Peter and especially Tinkerbell to be incredibly unlikable and straight up jerks for most of the movie
@@kristinahuchison2511 In the original J.M. Barrie play, Peter is depicted as a more villainous character despite being the main protagonist, where his and acts and actions are simply a byproduct of his immaturity: being in Neverland prevents one from aging physically, meaning he 's incapable of change, character development or redemption. In addition to cutting off Captain Hook's hand and feeding it to a crocodile, he does heinous acts like killing the Lost Boys when they age out of childhood, or simply exiling them to places unknown. Disney's version of the character on the other hand significantly toned down Peter's more sinister characterization in favour of making him more heroic while still maintaining his mischievous, youthful, immature and cocky attitude.
And she also doesn't hold Peter Pan on a high pedestal and knew when to call him out, even making him apologise for his behaviour. And she also didn't take Tinkerbell's crap either the way Wendy did
@@kristinahuchison2511jokes will be funnier when you know that even Walt Disney himself, considered Tinkerbell villainous😂😂😂
To be honest, Jane did need Neverland more than Wendy did and having come by herself instead of with 2 brothers, she was able to get more proper development.
Wendy was a young teenager that wanted to stay a young girl/kid forever but she needed to grow up. I get that Wendy’s experiences changed her but she could have done that at home too.
Jane on the other hand, was a young girl who believed that she was grown up and she needed regain her joy and hope.
Jane could not to do this at home, it was wartime and She was going to be sent away and she is old enough to know that everyone she loves, she might never see again.
Funny how this movie and Hook 1991 share alot of similarities...
Weirdly the original had some really dark elements, and the second film represents the final message more.
In the original book Peter was the youngest, and because he lacked emotional intelligence was actually a cruel and petty dictator to the lost boys. He helps because he wants to look brave and smart, not because he actually cares, and is just as likely to abandon cha if he gets bored.
The final twist is that nonsense of the kids really grow up in the book. They all go to Wendy's family, all expected unconditional love and not a scalding or care for the heartbreak they gave their family. Ironically, it's the boy who never wanted to grow up that begins to mature, at first wanting to pretend the window was barred shut to keep everyone, but despite his need for the others attention he ultimately doesn't go through with it upon seeing Wendy mother waiting and crying for her child to return. He's the only one who grew up by gaining emotional compassion and empathy for others.
In the same way, Jane might actually 'mature' but she isn't really grown up. She lacks any kind of emotional empathy for the others, only caring about her own needs to get home. Even in the early part of the film, while she is determined to do all she can to help because of the war, it is shown she doesn't connect emotionally with her family, which it could be argued would go further in helping them through the hard times than her obsessive listening to news broadcasts.
In the end Jane grows emotionally from acting as a child, better able to connect and care about those around her and more conscious of the effects of her own actions.
@@rebelpyroflame Are you sure? I seem to remember that Peter Pan was originally a white bird and in fact that was the name of the book, The Little White Bird by James W Barrie.
@@isaacvazquez627 going to be honest, mostly going from this th-cam.com/video/4R3kSL8cyGc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=gUYW2kplAC12oz3z
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Sounds like the original Peter Pan book was better than it's original Disney adaptation since it made sure the characters progressed/grew, and the sequel picked up on those parts of the book better!
I love the C.S. Lewis quote: "When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
Damn, this hits hard
That’s good.
One of my favorite quotes! ^^
The entire quote is lengthy, but well worth it.
I love the fact that Wendy floats immediately after getting in contact with pixie dust. Specially for the fact that she's still waiting for her husband to come back from the war and still has faith
“This is the hair I won’t harm!” *that is the most brilliant way of doing the “Exact Words” trope ever*
😂 here you keep it 🤣
That and the window scene in Cinderella 3 lol
@@pie1o1morris46when Disney had sense of humor lmao love those movies
Given how Ariel absolutely didn’t age in the Little Mermaid sequel, this movie deserves a lot of props for actually growing up and maturing Wendy.
She did age though. She had smaller eyes and a bustier body. And she was only 30 anyway.
Wendy's age is only more noticeable because she was a child in the original film.
Yeah, I agree - Ariel physically & almost mentally really didn't age, even if she had a child at 17 (she was 16 when she married Eric) and then aged up 12 years by the time of most of her sequel. Even when she returned to her mermaid self, she looked the same while Flounder, her best friend, CLEARLY aged more than her. She merely conformed to fully being human & protecting her daughter from Morgana's threat and the sea, even though it meant she herself couldn't see the ones she loved ever again. She basically asked Ursula about this in the 1st film, in which the Sea Witch reminded her that at least she'd have Eric... which was still true.
Wendy, on the other hand, was very mature yet had child-like beliefs, even when she ended her story in the first Peter Pan. She didn't want to leave the nursery - the life she was used to with Nana, John & Michael - yet she was at an age where she had to start growing up and become a young adult. Times may have been different & she did clearly grow up, but even the beginning of Return to Neverland showed that even as a girl, she promised she'd always believe in Peter Pan... and as a mother of two with a husband fighting in WWII and their city constantly being bombed at, she still kept her word & never stopped believing. She physically & mentally changed, but in spirit, she is still the same girl who can fly because she has faith, trust & pixie dust.
@@Juuchan17 I disagree. Ariel was much more sophisticated and reserved as an adult. In fact, she almost lost her identity in her pursuit of motherhood and security.
Also, she had Melody at 18, not 17.
Actually, Ariel did age. Sure she still has a fantastic body for having gone through pregnancy, but if you look closely when she’s talking to her daughter, you can see wrinkles around her eyes. I always appreciated that little attention to detail.
@@Joy6168 I mean, it is possible for women to get back into their previous shape after pregnancy through a healthy diet. And stretch marks become less and less visible over time. But yeah, Ariel has small crow's feet. As well as bigger hips and chest. It was only as pronounced as marketing let her be, but it was noticeable.
As an older sibling who absorbed the mindset of "you need to be the family's backup in case something happens" when I was seven, I always thought that those who would criticize Jane's character for being "too uptight" must have had a very kind environment during their childhood.
True she's a traumatised girl
I agree...and for Jane, this burden is even heavier because her country is at war and her home is no longer safe, and her she has been personally affected by the war because her Daddy has gone to fight and he made her promise to take care of her mother and little brother, and that's why she had to grow up far too soon. She takes the responsibility of this promise very seriously. Its just VERY ironic timing that Captain Hook kidnaps Jane when she is at her most vulnerable, to learn this lesson that she needs to find her childhood hope again. She genuinely feels remorse for fighting with her Mom and her brother and she wants to heal that rift, but to do so means she has to not only confront this entity that she said ISN'T REAL (i.e. Peter Pan, Neverland, fairies, etc.) she has to come to terms with it, if she wants to go home to her family.
Indeed. As a female Asian oldest daughter who had to raise 2 siblings, I can entirely relate to Jane & her reactions to Peter's so called games.
Makes me appreciate being the youngest all the more.
While my brother was never uptight, I do remember him being lectured and judged a bit more for being the eldest boy, thus "should know better". While I at times got a bit of a pass for being the youngest girl.
He was also told "You're the man of the house now" (albeit jokingly) when our dad had to transfer to another state for work. Still, he was (and is) a good brother who always loved me and continues to look out for my best interests while understanding my limitations and needs. Wouldn't trade him for the world 💜
The scene where Jane cried as Tinkerbell was dying from her sickness, with "I'll Try" playing in the background really got me emotional as a kid. Growing up, I didn't knew that Tinkerbell can be revived through clapping your hands to believe in magic in the original _Peter Pan_ play, thus the "Tinkerbell Effect" was invented.
Oh don’t even get me started on that song, I break down every time I hear it😭😭😭
yeah, as a child, at that part I was breaking down with sadness, it felt very heavy deeply
Have you guys heard the cover by Jesse McCartney?
"the OUTSTANDING musical score... I mean just listen to this:" *ad immediately plays*
That's really funny!
But for actual music score, it gives me so much shivers. I LOVE it!
When I went to Disneyland Paris this summer I noticed that a piece of score of THIS sequel (the intro soundtrack) was used for the beginning of the fireworks show!! I was so pleasantly surprised!! Probably I was one of those people there who recognised the music immediately because I grew up loving this movie 😊
Yep that's the way it goes. 😅
The only time I like ads is when they’re perfectly timed like this lol
The reunion with Peter and adult Wendy just made me sob when I watched the movie with my niece. Seeing the glow in Wendy's eyes. Everything about it was pure perfection.
Yeah that is such a heartwarming scene about childhood. Just like the ending of Toy Story 3.
While I love the coldness of Hook in the original, his characterization here is incredible. His cunning is just expanded on in this film, especially in his plan to capture Pan this time around. He assesses Jane's greatest strength and weakness, her maturity, in like two seconds and proceeds to play her like a damn fiddle.
He first lowers her guard by disarming himself, both literally with his sword and metaphorically by allowing himself to be perceived as weak or soft by "crying." He then allows Jane to wield his sword and threaten him, before depicting himself and Jane to be in a similar situation: Stuck in Neverland. After raising himself to be equal to her once again, as it seems he is the only other sane person here, he strikes a deal with her which he later breaks on account of a loophole. Again, playing fair and square just as he did in the original novel. With victory in sight, he ends the interaction with his sword back in his possession, a brand new pawn, and all the power back in his hand. Or, hook. What a fucking legend.
@@EndlessPiplup Totally agree and that’s a very good point.
I definitely love this hook more than the original and glad his replaced actor got to play hook in Jake and the neverland pirates while yes he was dumbed down because it’s a kids show there are parts where he shows his mischievous self like the special episodes like rescuing bucky and Peter Pan Returns
I like how Wendy and Jane are different. Usually the parent and offsprings are so much alike, especially in Disney.
When Hook kidnaps Jane misaken her for Wendy 2 things
1 Its very convenient that he not only knows where they live but Wendy decided to live in her old house .
2 it realy shows how obessive Hook is with getting revenge on Peter Pan as its shown he could easily just get up and leave Neverland and Peter behind if he wanted too
Getting your parents house really isn’t that weird tbh.
People can say what they will about "Peter Pan: Return to Never Land." But it's a Disney sequel that I truly love! I found it to be a very interesting continuation of the classic tale.
Me too.
Me too. This sequel is what got me introduced to _Peter Pan_ before I watched the first film. Looking back, the original play/novel and the Disney film makes Peter Pan diabolical.
I remember as a kid ADORING this film but none of my friends had seen it. Glad to know I’m not the only one who’s seen it and enjoyed it 😅
Well I like this movie too
I love to think about what might have happened if Jane had turned the loophole in her deal with Hook back on him. She could have claimed he did in fact harm the hair he promised he wouldn't harm by removing it from the head on which it was growing, thereby nullifying the deal and leaving him in an awkward situation. Not a plot hole or anything, Jane is still a child after all, but it is funny to imagine Hook embarrassed in front of his entire crew cause he got outsmarted by a child.
Yeah it’s actually the rare Disney sequel that stands really well alongside its source material.
I don’t think it’s better than Simba’s Pride or Cinderella 3, but overall, I think it captures the spirit of the original and actually really does a great job of expanding Peter, Wendy, Tink and even makes Jane a very likable protagonist who grows and evolves over the course of the film.
I like the movie for all the same reasons that you do, and an extra point: the octopus is a more interesting “animal attacker” from an animation standpoint. Octopi are both flexible and wiggly, so seeing that shown off in animation was a real treat. It gave the octopus a TON of personality and presence.
would've been even better if captain hook got to fight hitler
that I would pay to see lol, heck, I would pay to hear some of the banter between the two as they fight
Death Battle needs to take notes
You heard it from Schaff, did you?
@@pennysanchez7656 yeah
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"If pretending that you know everything is childish and pretending that you know nothing is mature. Then I want to be a child forever." - PunPun
Might be a controversial take, but I can definitely see why this movie has a stronger narrative. It also made a lot of things more likable than the slightly to absolutely cynical feel of the first movie, mind you this is supposed to take place during goddamn WWII. However I do prefer the croc, though I wonder what your opinions are on those prequel Tinker Bell movies.
Honnestly Wendy's reunion with Peter is my absolute favorite part of this movie, there are so many little details, Wendy can still _Fly_
but its Also a bit of awareness for Peter when Edward, Wendy's husband returns home from the war, she rushes down immediately to go welcome him
whatever fondness she had for Peter is a candle to the bonfire she has for her husband, and you think, if he allowed himself to age like Wendy did, that could have been him.
But Peter can't change, can't grow, so he did what he always does; flees back to Neverland.
The hill I will always die on is that “I’ll Try” from Return to Neverland and “I’m Still Here” from Treasure Planet served their narrative purpose and are actual bop. Anyone that says otherwise meet me at a Denny’s (jk, but seriously, I love those songs so much)
I find that Jane actually needed Peter Pan because she was a child who had to learn to grow up fast during a time of war while hers and Danny's dad went to join the front lines, she couldn't see the light of "childish nonsense" because of such a dire time despite her mother's attempts at wanting to make an outlet for her and her brother.
I agree, that this movie is about Jane's journey of finding her inner child and learning how to have faith, trust and pixie dust, which is why Return to Neverland feels the most context and real.
I also enjoyed this take on Peter because he's more empathetic to Jane's desire to return home versus how adamant he was towards Wendy wanting to go home in the first movie. He also doesn't try to stop her from leaving but instead offers her help by trying to make her understand that without believing in magic, she'll never be able to leave Neverland.
Yes, there are still moments that make Peter seem like a jerk, but he's shown more maturity than he did in the first movie, he also tries to apologize to her for their earlier arguement (even though he's looking for Jane to save Tinkerbell). Peter in my opinion shows the most change and it was such a lovely transition.
Also older Wendy's belief in Peter is also what makes it hold more depth because she's still the same which is a symbol to many adults who are still able to hold onto their youth without letting the world corrupt them. In a way, this movie was a lesson to all of us to enjoy life even when it looks bleak and helpless, make the most of it
I like Peter Pan from the 50s as an animation piece. "You can fly" is a very good song. But yeah, I always loved this sequel.
The 1950's Peter Pan is all about being willing to grow up, while the sequel is about how being too mature too early limits maturity. Both films really are two ingredients of the same recipe.
I agree. I never liked the original movie. The plot was weird, many of the characters were unlikable and... it just had plenty of things wrong with it.
But the sequel was truly enjoyable. Better character development, a better protagonist that, despite being a jerk, you could understand why, and better yet, an older Wendy meeting Peter Pan again. And finally, Peter's development finally felt like it progressed. And Tinker Bell too.
The characters were meant to be h likable because they’re on noxious little kids lol. And of course it’s a movie made by time so it’s going to have some problematic things.
If Jane was placed in the first movie, she would be just as bad lol
@@BabyGirlTiny Wendy and her brothers were just these perfect little kids. It felt like they got no character development at all. They just went through an adventure and that's it.
Jane on the other hand, was the much better protagonist. She didn't take any BS from Peter or any of the kids. She could be a jerk, but one that you understood. Not only was she in the middle of a war, but her dad was expecting her to be a 'big girl' that took care of her mother and brother, so it's no wonder she tried too hard to be an adult.
Regardless of her actions, you knew that she was never a bad kid to begin with. She was still a child, that tried too hard to be an adult and went about it the wrong way. She felt deep regrets for her actions afterwards, not only for what she did to her brother, but for what happened to Tinkerbell and Peter. And if she hasn't been good, she wouldn't have fallen to Hook's manipulation.
All in all, Jane was one awesome protagonist that went through great character development. Not only that, but thanks to her, both Peter Pan and Tinkerbell went through some positive changes too, something they greatly lacked in the original movie.
@@lulystalgianature2968 I agree. I don't feel as harsh about Wendy, because Wendy seems to have been a charachter before disney discovered their disney princess brand.
I will also just blame the original book for how thebplot structure feels like you are tagged along with Peter Pan and how he goes from one interesting place to the next. It reminds me very much of Alice in Wonderland, where it all feels like a feverdream, because it is. They bothered to give Jane a personality, one that makes sense.
I also giggle a little bit that they really never truly managed to give Wendy a personality besides her believing in Neverland. She was pretty bland in the original, but even in the sequel, she really still believes in Neverland, and the only moment where she breaks away from that is when she has her encounter with Peter and actually insists that she does remember it and somewhat also wants to believe in it. It feels very true and I love that, but ironically, this attitude that she held onto childlike wonder seems to have influenced Jane, because Jane is sick of how her mom is telling stories of Neverland, while literal bombs are being dropped on them.
@@corneliahanimann2173 Even Wendy was a better character in the sequel. You could tell she was a great mother and wife, but never left her childhood wonder and never forgot the adventure. Even Jane, despite trying hard to be a 'big girl' and not pay attention to her mother's Peter Pan stories, she couldn't help listening.
When Wendy was telling Danny a story, Jane tried to act all mature and not listen, even using headphones to avoid hearing a thing, but left what she was doing and listened too, even smiling about it. She tried to act all stoic about it afterwards, but we as the audience knew she did enjoy her mother's story and also had that childlike wonder no matter how hard she tried to hide it. That was a terrific scene, and a great moment for both Wendy and Jane.
@@lulystalgianature2968 oh I so much agree with this. I never thought too much about it, but now thinking back, this movie had so much going on, like this video did not mention that Jane's dad is at war, but we gof a scene with him in the beginning telling her she has to look after the family and he will be back "before you know it", which really adds layers to why Jane is so frustrated with having been innocent and childish enough to ever believe that could be true. I am not even sure if Jane sees her father by the end of the movie, but she has learned to be a child again in a time that robbed children of an authentic childhood. I also love what you pointbout, thst Wendy gains more layers to her character, as you can feel her maturity, but she has become wiser but not altered from the person she was in the original film, given that she may never see her husband again, and is still there enthusiastically telling her kids about Neverland.
I also like this one better than the original, and I definitely find the "I Try" song powerful as well. I was really pleasantly surprised when I saw it in the theater as a kid.
I actually like this one better, as Peter Pan isn't such a jerk that you hate him. In the original, he seems jerksih to an extreme. And the fact that Tinkerbell would defect to Hook for a while due to how nasty he was says a lot about him.
Here, he actually seems more hero than antihero.
Peter is meant to be that way lol. That’s the whole point, and it’s Wendy that pretty much changes him.
Yeah.
The Disney sequels really aren't that bad as some say. Not all of them at least. I'd say most of them are quite good (in some cases better) if not just alright. I actually forgot this movie took place during world war 2 so when I rewatched it last year after not seeing it for like, 10 years, my first reaction was a resounding "oh shit they really went there"
And it honestly really works and makes Jane's character even more understandable since she probably had to take on a much more adult role at such a young age. Wendy obviously tried her best to keep that childlike wonder alive but at Jane's age, her view of being an adult would much more be in line with how she acts despite Wendy's attempts. It's kind of tragic really
Well my favourite Disney sequels are Peter pan return to neverland, mulan II, Lady and the tramp 2 and fox and the hound 2
I could never find the disc to the first movie, so I just had to watch the second movie to watch if I wanted to watch Peter Pan. I loved this movie and the chemistry with the characters was more believable than the original movie.
Sameeeee *highfive*
@@L16htW4rr10r *HIGHFIVE*
When I was still in the military, I used to make up funny stories to help keep up my spirits. Like the one of the Penguins and Pigeons fighting a secret war over Australia called “World War 17”. I told this particular story to my Sergeant Major, a veteran of combat in places like Fallujah. He thought they were hilarious, and he told me his own funny stories that he used to tell when he was younger. For a man like him, I think he appreciated the value of levity and storytelling during difficult times.
So glad I found someone who shares my opinion
As a child this was my comfort movie. Such a strong girl protagonist to identify with. Her struggle deeply resonated with me. I had a disrupted childhood and had to grow up fast, holding a lot of responsibility for myself and to an extent also my family. I also had a disconnect with my sister who was ever joyful and seemed so undisturbed by what happened, while I felt so misunderstood and alone and like I had to manage everything on my own. I replayed some of these scene when I was a child over and over again. The memories of my love and attachment to this film just resurfaced and it made me really emotional. Thank you for this video, it brought back meaningful memories (even the bittersweet ones)
I FREAKING LOVE THIS MOVIE! I’m a sucker for history, so the subplot of the London bombings drew me in, and the general plot of this movie was so good!!!
I am too. I agree the World War II scenes are well done.
and it makes the movie feel more real too. As if magic really exists in our world as well
@ That’s true.
This was so unique and I am so glad they opted for a theatrical release (something they should have done with Lion King 2).
A girl exposed to the horrors of war unable to connect with her family's embrace of magic and imagination due to her early maturity
Her clash with Pan and refusal to accept Neverland was in stark contrast to Wendy which makes for an alluring concept.
This movie really fleshed out the character of its protagonist more than it did with its predecessor.
This was a movie I quite enjoyed as a kid and I was pleasantly surprised to see that I still enjoy it. I don't think it's amazing but I do quite like the ideas this movie presents and there are aspects I prefer in this movie over the first, mainly the pacing. The ending is also really sweet, the movie concludes in a really nice way. It's a bit of a shame how it seems to get ignored whenever people talk about Disney sequels since it technically isn't a straight to DVD sequel (despite very much being in that lineup) but it also isn't apart of Disney's main sequels, putting it in this weird middle ground.
Although it has been AGES since I have watched any of the Peter Pan movies, I am still in the opinion that each represents their times well. The original Peter was pre-Wendy, so he was more psychopathic because he had no one to provide him with a gentler approach; he was on his own, which was reflected in the land itself. The first movie was pre-war based, where the plot was more faithful to the original book because Peter was a child who was a menace without a parent's guidance, so his childlike innocence was leaning to that childlike sadistic tendencies since no one was able to provide that guidance to him. The second movie clearly is more modern and has the war theme with Jane, who is now a poor traumatized young girl that had to grow up too fast to survive better in her environment. When Jane meets Peter now, you can tell that Wendy had left a huge impression on him and he was able to see by example from Wendy and her siblings how children can be calmer, which in turn reflects in Neverland. Of course, this is just how I see it because I see no need to bring dislike on two movies clearly set in two different time periods that portray adventure differently for the generation of children it was made for (1953 vs 2002 almost 50 years difference). I love both movies for different reasons, but I do agree the second one is more lively with better-provided lessons than the first because that's how it was meant to be produced. Anyway I am ending my ramble and adding this to my playlist lol great video dude
I was surprised that Peter talked to adult Wendy in this movie. It's a short scene but really cute, i was happy to see both characters meet again 🥰Them having fun was adorable!
The only thing i hate in this movie is the Lost boy's song. They can't sing well, she's too short and doesn't really told us anything about them. Cut her from the movie and the story won't change much. In short, the song is useless!
Okay, but the first Peter Pan gave me my first crush, Tiger Lily.
Let me tell you. My brother and sister would always put this movie on compared to the first Peter Pan. We loved the soundtrack and were emotionally invested in tinkerbell and Jane. Also the Robin Williams one we decided was the 3rd continued of this as Peter Marries Jane. Then don’t get me started with the 2007 Peter Pan we swooned as kids but were in love with the soundtrack and storyline behind that one as well. All better than the first Peter Pan animation in my opinion.
I was a Jane growing up, forced to mature too fast. Grew up chronically ill, in and out of hospitals with many medications and surgeries, poked and prodded. I totally related to her. The frustration I felt towards my parents for trying to get me to have faith or be positive when that was never my outlook of the world. Where I missed a lot of my childhood. I’ll Try to this day is my favorite Disney songs at 20 years old.
2:19 Technically it's literally just a reapeat of the "Captain hook gives his word not to lay a finger…or a hook on Peter Pan" that's in the first movie...
Yeah, but this one is way funnier than that time.
This movie always has a place within me. I was newly adopted and that ‘I try’ scene just hit me as a child. I even showed my mum the scene and she said ‘oh she looks like you’ meaning the character. That stayed. Many years later when I was 10 I found it again the film and I was hyperfixated on it for few months. I guess I was mirroring Jane at that time growing up. Oh I forgot to say that tinkerbell scene 😭😭😭😭😭😭,
I also had to become very grown up very quickly when I was a child. My mother was extremely dependent on me to take care of *her*, not the other way around. Jane is one of the only children in any media I have seen burdened with heavy responsibility like this and I love that the message of the story is for her to hold onto childish things; to be a kid. It's something that took me so long to re-learn as an adult and why this movie holds such a special place in my heart.
After watching your review and thinking it over I’m surprised how much Return to Neverland has in common with Fox’s Peter Pan and the Pirates, the cartoon. Both Flesh out Never Land and it’s characters both sticks to the book, and both really explore the themes of Peter Pan really well. You should really give it a watch!
Even if I wish they kept Wendy’s original voice actress, Kath Soucie did great as Adult Wendy, because she never fails to play a sweet understanding mother who loves her children very much and makes you feel better when you need someone to talk to.
This brought back so many memories. I always loved Jane’s spunk as a young girl. I am glad she is getting the respect she deserves ❤
I think the reason people complain about "I'll Try," being a pop song is that it kind of takes viewers out of the World War II setting. I think if the same song had been done in a more timeless style, or even in a style from that era if they could pull it off, it might've gotten more love. I mostly love the song except for a pitchy bit toward the end.
I feel like this as a Peter Pan movie in general is kind of criminally underrated. I LOVE the chemistry between Peter Pan and Jane and I feel like both of them kind of grew a lot through the movie. The Lost Boys are definitely more fun in this one and I like how they each have more distinct personalities like you mentioned. I MISS the sword fights in this one though not gonna lie. Peter Pan to me is both fantasy and somewhat of a swashbuckler but that is just my opinion.
There is one potentially BRILLIANT thing that could just be me theorizing the heck out of this scene but I'm curious. So, at the end of the movie, when Wendy is listening to Jane telling Danny stories about Neverland, we hear the little melody that Peter plays on his pipes throughout the first movie in the background. We also hear Tinkerbell's magic sparkling (I don't know if that's what you'd call it) in the background and then Wendy turns and goes to the nursery window. My theory is (and please please please feel free to disagree or critique or whatever) that Peter played his pan flute like right outside the window and Tinkerbell was just...around maybe? and THAT's what Wendy heard. It would make sense with the lore of the book/play for sure. Idk. Thoughts?
It would be an interesting touch because otherwise (and this is like...my other really major complaint regarding Peter Pan the character specifically besides the slight lack of sword fighting), we don't see or hear Peter's flute at all in the movie.
Ralph Wrecks the Internet was just the Reverse Return to Neverland where that direct to video movie redeemed its characters, Ralph Wrecks the Internet wrecked its characters especially Ralph and Vanellope.
No kidding and also Ralph Breaks The Internet even goes against the moral of the first movie. That is true about Return To Neverland.
Ralph breaks the Internet is not CANON. Just like how Shrek 3 is not CANON
@ Agree.
Well I would rather watch return to neverland than Ralph breaks the Internet
@samanthasstoryproductions4894 i mean anybody with fine taste would
Thank you for bringing back a childhood memory
Finally, everyone lists this movie pretty low and it's one of my fav disney sequels
15:21 to add to this, as you mentioned, you can’t see Jane singing because it doesn’t make sense for Jane to sing. Singing by the protagonist in Disney movies have always been magical, fantastical, uplifting or hopeful, and as you mentioned many times before, Jane has none of that in this point of the story. She is carrying this huge burden on her shoulders and believes she cannot show any weakness to anyone, not even us. Someone else has to do it for her, and none of the other characters will sing for her because they don’t see or feel what Jane does, so “the narrator” has to do it.
another awesome vid that makes me wish I didn't have issues that prevent me from watching pretty much any movie these days
It's kind of ironic you mention the theme of maturity and being in touch with your inner child, because I have a pretty sad story about my experience with this movie.
I was 8 years old and my younger brother and I were visiting our grandparents by ourselves over February break in 2002. One of the things we did was have my grandfather take us to the movie theater to see this movie, and we were the only three people in that theater. Even though there was nobody else around, it felt kind of embarrassing, and I ended up interpreting that experience as an early sign that I might be getting old, because why else would nobody else be seeing this movie that is very clearly for kids?
I must emphasize: I WAS 8!!! That is way too young of an age to be having a mid-life crisis like that!!
When i was a child, i really don't like me peter pan 1 but I WAS OBSSESED with peter pan 2. I watch so much this movie 😂
Same. I didn't care for Peter Pan 1, but I loved Peter Pan 2! Jane was outspoken and was not afraid to tell anybody ne when they made her upset or uncomfortable or even when they crossed the line. I always though that if Tigerlily was in the second movie, she and Jane would have been fast friends. It would've also given Tigerlily more screentime and shown her as a proper character. But I still love the movie and never could understand the hate it or Jane recieves.
I think many people's problem is not it being a "pop" song but moreso the fact that it's a MODERN song in a movie that takes place in the 40s. If it was a 70s punk rock song people would say the same thing
Ohmygod I watched Book Of Life for the first time a few weeks ago and I busted out laughing when he started singing Creep
"If it was from the 70's people would say the same thing" I think that's an overestimation of most people's knowledge of music history
I completely agree! This movie did an amazing job portraying why it’s important to not let go of your sense of wonder. Even during the toughest times.
Tho I have no idea why they named the dog “Nana 2” 🤣
Paying tribute to the original.
My favorite part is the ending when Wendy and Peter Pan meet again. ^-^
See i thought i was crazy for liking this one better than the first. Like the first film is iconic, but Return to Neverland (and especially that song) moves me to tears every single time.
While it has it's flaws (especially the song So to Be One of Us) that makes it unable to live up to most sequels, I think Return to Never Land is an surprisingly decent sequel, especially helped by Corey Burton's portrayal of Captain Hook.
I'm ready for another youtuber to go through the disney sequel journey and discover the piece of art called Cinderella 3
@@filca98 I've known that since I was like 7 or 8. I was ahead of the curb.
I want to take a moment to acknowledge the opening score of the movie. The way it’s, haunting, mysterious, magical, nostalgic… I’ realising now that it foreshadows Jane’s whole journey and character growth (imo). Starting with the haunting minor key melody that reflects her present environment of WW2 England, to the magic and mystery of never land (even calling back to the “following the leader” tune the from the first film) to a more triumphant and hopeful ending. It’s hard for me to describe using technical music terms but I just love it so much!
i love that flight itself appears to have a theme (when peter flies jane through neverland and when jane flies) that kind of sounds like a part of "you can fly".
11:14 love the Lorax reference 😎
Still think it’s so funny that they cooked so hard with this movie’s soundtrack, Disneyland Paris’ old nighttime show Disney Dreams (which featured the first movie’s characters) used the score from this movie over the original
I have grown to really like these movie analyses/rewievs . Even though I don't watch them very often at all, I enjoy the insights into the Art of movie-making. Your Videos are of great quality and very understandable in content. Also your pronunciation is very clear so I can understand well.
I wish you fun and fulfillment in making these Videos.
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Oh Ho You’re Finally Stepping Into The Direct To Video Sequel Territory Hopefully The Next Sequel That You’re Going To Cover Is Patch’s London Adventure Which Is My Most Favourite Sequel
Also Here’s The Suggestion For Pixar’s Unholy Trinity:
-Brave (2012)
-Toy Story 4 (2019)
-Lightyear (2022)
Totally agree with everything, well done. I love Peter Pan Return To Neverland and it’s one of my favorite and comfort movies. Jane in my opinion is how to write a flawed main character because at the same time you can’t be too mad at her because due to growing up during World War II she is forced to grow up so quickly, really missing her dad and not knowing if he’s alive or dead. Makes it understandable to lost the childhood sprit. Than having to go away with her little brother for a while and to tell him Peter Pan stores has to really rub salt in the wound. She’s also trying to grow up which can be relatable for anyone her age. Her arc is so heartwarming because everything you said. Which is how Jane and Peter are able to balance each other because he’s like the kid who is still tryin to enjoy his childhood and Jane is the kid trying to grow up. Just like how Alex Hirsch describes Dipper and Mabel Pines. They definitely do have good chemistry. Tinker bell sort of represents childhood spirit. Wendy is definitely how to be a kid at heart, while still being a adult. Of course Captain Hook and Mr Smee are still there funny selves. I agree that scene with Peter and Wendy is so heartwarming, just like the ending of Toy Story 3.
Think.he should look at the Tinkerbell movies and Jake and the Neverland Pirates?
@@nicholassims9837 Maybe.
@@Koopalingfan as well as look at Jungle Book( 1967) and Jungle Book 2
@@nicholassims9837 If that’s what he wants to do. Same with those two.
12:18 wow, I didn’t know that! I mean I knew that Wendy had a daughter named Jane at the end of the show, but I thought that was referencing THIS movie instead of it being the other way around! Guess I learn something new every day.
I still miss the crocodile….
Personally, I never got the hate for Disney sequels. Are there bad ones? Sure. But there are also some great ones.
I completely forgot about this movie, i used to watch it a lot and it was one of my favorite.
Your analysis made me appreciate it on another level.
The scene where Tinker Bell dies is literally that one scene from Pokemon: The First Movie but better executed in every single way. I actually broke down during that scene as a kid. Ash being petrified from Mewtwo and getting revived via Pokemon tears is nothing compared to this.
I have to agree, the scene were Ash died and was revived by the Pokemon's tears felt extremely forced. But then again, I've also heard it said that the message in the movie was also forced, about the violence of fighting, but in a movie from a series all about catching creatures and making them fight each other. Personally, I think the people who believe that are not fully understanding the nuances of it -- the message is supposed to portray how it can be taken too far, even when fighting for sport, as it is, but I can somewhat see how people would arrive at that conclusion. I would comment more on the movie, but I'm not familiar with Peter Pan; kinda wonder if at some point I should try to watch those movies?
@@matthewkuscienko4616 You can watch Peter Pan whenever you want to. Just keep in mind that the original Disney film has some moments that haven't aged well, and that's the best way I am putting it.
I like watching Tinkerbell's slap in the face that Jane gives her. Tinkerbell sucks.
I didn't hate Wendy in the 1953 movie, but she is much more interesting and more admirable here, as an adult, and not just any type of adult, but a woman who has stayed as a single mother when her husband was called to the frontlines to fight in World War II. Most persons at that time, in those circumstances, lost or practically lost all hope, but not Wendy. She remains hopeful and joyful and tries to transmit that same hope and joy to her children, which is not an easy task when your city is, you know, being periodically bombed. Return to Neverland already made Wendy Darling into a strong, independent woman, without damaging her kind-hearted and motherly nature, who is incredibly inspiring to anyone who watches her. Because you need to be very emotionally and mentally strong not to lose hope in such hard times, such as the London Blitz. My favourite scene with Wendy might just be the one when she has gone to the shelter with Danny and Danny is afraid because of the bombs, and she says "Oh, that's what sounding? I think it's more Captain Hook with his pirate crew and ship!" And then Danny smiles and starts cosplaying Peter Pan again. 💕
And Jane is one of the best female protagonists in Disney's entire catalogue. Fully agree, Return to Neverland is indeed a genuinely good movie. 💖
I don’t understand how you can say she’s more interesting when she doesn’t do anything but be who she was in the first movie, except she has kids and she’s doing it to her kids lol.
I’ve always liked the first one probably because watched it more but I do agree that the second movie has more development and plot. I watch the first one for the magic and shenanigans and the second one for the character development. I love Wendy in the first because of her wanting to stay a child and I love Jane in the second for understanding she needs to be a child at times even if she believes being mature is superior. They are both amazing characters.
the second peter pan and cinderella iii are peak disney sequels. soulful and real
Ooh, I got here relatively early!
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Unrelated, but I would love to hear Rockotar do a video on Dick Tracy (1990).
It’s a criminally underrated movie that is still very unique, especially compared to the comic book movies that we see today!
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It also has a fascinating story behind how it was made!
It's sad that Diney cut Captain Hook's villain song "I'll give you one guess" from the sequel because they was afraid that the audience would grow to like the character too much. But Return to Newerland has never been a bad movie and it is one of the few sequels that are better than the first movie. However, this doesn't mean that I would think the movie is flawless and I won't deny that the sequel still has its own pros and cons.
I enjoyed this, just subbed. I remember enjoying Peter Pan and it led me down a little rabbit hole of the story and I liked other Peter pan movies, especially Hook with Robin Williams. But the og has it's uhh problems lol. I haven't seen it as adult though. I can't believe I missed the sequel, it looks good. Glad I got to hear about it.
I'm lukewarm to warm about this movie BUT THE BEGINNING HAD NO BUSINESS BEING THAT GOOD
im so glad you’re talking abt this movie
I thought this sequel was actually good and i was just so unsure what people thought abt it. i thought ppl hated this movie cuz its a sequel and its Disney
Same. This is my favourite childhood movie
THIS WAS ONE OF MY ALL-TIME FAVOURITE CHILDHOOD MOVIES!!! The original Peter Pan was really, really boring to me, but THIS one stuck with me A LOT, even though I was pretty small when I'd watched it the most. I think it was also my first real exposure to, like, war and stuff, which had a weirdly strong impact on me, seeing it from Jane's perspective. The musical number from 15:30 still pops in my head from time to time, even to this day lol
I agree with basically everything that you're saying. No notes.
I did, however, have to comment on the "pop music" bit, because that confuses me too. The "pop" is short for popular. And things are usually only popular if they're good. So saying all pop music is bad, is just.... eh. Y'know??
Thia might be one of the only good disney sequels in existence
@@RADARMYBRAT32 I'd say about 8 or so are genuinely good or great movies (not counting all the Tinker Bella and Winnie the Pooh stuff, which would boost the number a bit). The rest just kind of exist.
But I do think there are more good ones than people say, but only a few more.
@@RADARMYBRAT32 ah i like Cinderella 3 because of the Insane Idea
Cinderella a twist in Time, Lion King 2, Lion King 1 1/2 and Stitch has a Glitch are pretty good, too
101 Dalmatian 2 (animation, not live action) is also a secret banger, I highly recommend
Well I personally like return to neverland, lady and the tramp 2, mulan II and fox and the hound 2
This movie is the literal representation of the best parts of my childhood. The fun, the awesome characters and the colorfulness. Heck this was the first movie where I saw the early concept of 3D animation! And loved it! Hook's ship magically flying through WW2 London at night is the most memorable scene I ever saw. And that orange octopus is secretly my spirit animal, nobody dare hurt him because I'm coming for them. Seriously I'd love to be in this movie.
The only Disney sequels I like are Aladdin 3, Lion King 2, Little Mermaid 2 and Jungle Book 2. These are the only ones imo who actually added something meaningful to the characters.
Well What About Patch’s London Adventure? In My Opinion It’s Actually An Underrated Sequel Because Of The Chemistry Between Thunderbolt And Patch
The Additional New Characters: Lars And Lil’ Lightning And Last But Not Least Cruella De Vil And Her Henchmen Horace And Jasper
Cinderella 3 is awesome as well.
@@nicklundy9965 I never saw that one.
@@vetarlittorf1807oh you should, it’s great! Much better than Cinderella 2 in my opinion.
@@AgentsofPRIDEPatch’s London Adventure is my favorite too! In fact, it’s my favorite Walt Disney movie of all time!
Peter Pan = Terrifier
Peter Pan: RTN = Terrifier 2
OK, I mostly agree with this. But allow me to make a rebuttal on the character of Wendy.
When I was a little girl, I wanted to BE like Wendy (and to a larger extent, all of the oldest Disney princesses, like the original Cinderella and Snow White and Aurora). And I think that’s just as valuable!
I wanted to be like Wendy and those other princesses because they were patient, kind, thoughtful, virtuous, responsible, and demure (without being doormats or enablers).
All of those traits are things that any person should aspire to be!
I understand that Jane and most other “modern“ characters influenced by modern feminism are more _fun_ to watch for some, because they’re more feisty and flawed and loud and bold and snarky.
But I don’t think it’s right to take a “feisty“ character, and use her to bash more soft spoken, gentle, patient characters.
Jane might be more “relatable“ because she’s more flawed and modern, but that doesn’t make Wendy an empty character. She’s an _inspirational_ character. She strives to be maternal, gentle, patient, understanding, non-confrontational, and to always do the right thing.
Just because that makes her less “fun“ and less “relatable“ then Jane, doesn’t mean she’s an “empty” character - or a boring girl.
All that being said though… I’m looking forward to watching your Tinker Bell videos! Those movies are still so underrated IMO, and I adore them. Subscribed!
Yo, question... what makes Rourke's motivation for money make sense? I'm still trying to grapple with that...
Thanks for this video. I really needed it in my life right now. Your perspective helped remind me why stories aré important ❤
oh a fantastic take! this movie is my Disney sequel Roman Empire
Roman Empire?
I'm so glad I found this video. I always thought I was the only one who preferred this over the first movie. Genuinely one of my favourite Disney movie. The only issue I really have is that it should've been longer
This movie is so underrated and as a huge fan of Disneys Peter Pan this deserves a A+ they made Captain Hook more evil and his crew did better and they showed everyone a lot more than the original classic
This is such a comfort movie for me and I'll Try makes me sob everytime I hear it. I was a little weary when you mentioned not being a fan of the og Peter Pan but honestly I agree with most, if not all, of your critiques and it's leaving me wondering how much better it could've been if those thoughts were taken into account. I really loved this video. Thank you for making it.
3:11 THE FLASHBACKS I GOT FROM THIS SONG! I LOVE THIS GAME!
I will say, the changes to the characters of the lost boys, including Peter, can probably be contributed to Wemdy's influence. Sure, they are still childish boys, but it's also clear that Wendy's words did have some sort of an impression on them.
I loved this movie growing up. I had the vhs tape and would watch it on repeat.
I always liked this movie a lot, but after the disney remake it looks like the best cinematic masterpiece ever.
This video made my really happy!
I feel like no one understands my love for this Sequel but you just put into words what I feel about it!
I always just adored the concept of a magical place were you don't grow up, but really feel in love with Peter Pan after watching this movie as a child.
After that he and this movie became my favorite Disney property and when I felt down at times (and when the whether would allow it) I used to sleep with my window open in hopes of Peter Pan finding me and taking me to a better place .^.