A part of dialogue i like to point out is when moomin and snufkin are talking about the hobgoblin in the cave: "Wow! He must really love that ruby." "He wishes to possess it. Theres a difference." And I think that is a very good way to point out how moomins original idea of love was more possesive.
People who know them because of the books: The OG's People who know them because of the comics: The OG's of the OG's People who know them because the adaptations: the kids of the OG's People who know them because random TH-cam videos: literally 99% of the fanbase.
Well I knew them because of Joinen and channels that talked about Finland, but I wasn't _that_ interested in them because they never talked about SNUFKIN So, it's like TH-cam introduced them to me properly with the recommended videos (Snufkin mostly) 😳
@@anaveragegamingchannel1843 maybe one should make some kind of film that depicts groke coldness and loneliness. he even has a couple of horror stories made describing this nocturnal horror in him
what if in season 3 they pull a moominvalley in november and show Snufkin being all like "aw dang I miss moomin :((" and moomin like "heehoo freedom, what crimes will I commit?", and at the end when they finally reunite it's like "yooo I finally understand u, let's make out"
And the thing is, I wasn't prepared for this I hadn't seen that scene in any screenshots, so I was both scared, scarred and amused, I didn't sleep well that night thinking of the face
Unrelated, but few days ago, I had a dumb dream where I saw a video on youtube titled "Moominvalley S3 spoilers: Moomin realises his feelings for Snufkin" and then I woke up out of pure disbelief
Bhahaha, I had a dream where you could see what was behind Toffle, and it was the Groke lmaoo In another dream, apparently Moomin and Snufkin had reunited and Snufkin FINALLY showed his sensitive side to Moomin, sobbing (and of course Little My was there, hidden in the bushes)
I think Moominmamma recognized Moomin not because she doesn't see him as a grown up but because no matter how old or mature he becomes, she will always see him as her dear baby and that doesn't have to be a bad thing.
I'm so glad that they portrayed Moomintroll's "possessiveness" as an insecurity rather than a servere character flaw. Yes, his jealousy does get out of hand sometimes (making for some quality comedy), but he's such a genuinely good and understanding person that he deeply respects everyone around him and their needs. Moomintroll's always able to fix a problem by simply telling everyone to shut up, listen and show some empathy. He's not toxic or controlling, he's just afraid of letting go lest he be forgotten, kind of like his crush- I mean... best friend! :D
Is no one going to mention that a man just walked out of MoominTroll’s room, making it look like he spent the night in there, and no one even blinks. The entire breakfast sequence has “meeting the family for the first time” vibes. I feel like they just assumed it was his secret boyfriend and they didn’t want to say anything and embarrass him lmao
It happens ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (ok but no joke, I feel like Moomintroll's growth is directly related to his relationship with Snufkin so none of this would happen if snufmin wasn't a thing)
I liked how in second season they had more time on the island than in 90s version. Also they have given Groke more expressions, like heck she rolled her eyes! I maybe watch the show for pure enjoyment and don't think it that much but these analysis videos give them more depth.
I don't know whether or not someone else has already figured this out (there probably is-), but, you know that scene where Snufkin looks into his campfire all thoughtful and stuff, and he says "Moomintroll...where are you?"? It parallels that one scene from The Spring Tune, where Moomintroll is looking out of his bedroom window, waiting for Snufkin to arrive, and says "...Where are you?".
The groke is, in his opinion, a lonely and cold creature who cannot control his state of being and is therefore my favorite character. darkness and loneliness fascinate me in him.
I was waiting for the next Moomin analysis, and I am not disappointed. 😌 I feel like a good portion of the fandom seem to dislike this season immensely due to certain changes to the story or how characters are portrayed, which is fair, but I think this causes people to have a very narrow view of this adaptation. Moominvalley is different in a lot of ways from its previous adaptations and it's tackling the story of the Moomins in a slightly different way, which I personally love! I like seeing Moomintroll learn how to come into his own, how to love selflessly and become the person he wants to be. It's such a wonderful thing, especially because so many people struggle with the question of identity that it feels good to someone find themselves. (It's even better when you look at the queer undertones of the show, which again, is something people struggle with)
I get why some would be upset over the changes, but with every installment it becomes clear to me that the writers of this show actually love the moomins and want to do a good job! The way in which they create their own canon is very respectful and still remains true to the source material.
@@DrawpinionDump Exactly! The show isn't like the 90s anime, the comic strips, or the books, but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing! The creative team has demonstrated time and time again how much they love the Moomins and have so far been respectful of the original source material! And, I like that they've branched out from the original source and created their own things too! Also, I should clarify that people are free to dislike Moominvalley! It's perfectly understandable! However, the problem comes from expecting Moominvalley to be /exactly/ like its predecessors and being angry that it isn't! The show is its own thing and should be treated as such!
@@ivyproductions7097 Sure! Like, for example, the Groke is meant to represent the Tove's fears and the hatred she had to deal with as a queer woman. (This is something she once explicitly explained by the way!) You could argue the theme of "identity" and finding one's place in the world could be direct inferences to queer people finding their identities and their place in the world. I don't have time to explain further, but the show doesn't make it a secret. 😅
Perhaps... what if the second encounter with the Groke didn’t happen at all? Only Moomintroll could feel the presence of her, and no one is around when he confronts her. Or maybe, as you kind of alluded to in the video, she was only there for Moomin. Rather than being fear itself, maybe the Groke in the second season is only Moomin’s fear...
I agree that it was a very moomin-exclusive deal; I don't think that whether she was physically there or not matters as much as the fact that Moomintroll did confront her, even if it was in his mind!
Honestly, i was very salty about season 2. I didn't like it at first because of the change in tone, mostly to Moomintroll. He is very different from the Moomin i had familiarize myself with. He came off as *too* angsty and it kinda irked me to say the least. But seeing it from your perspective gives me new light to his character and he is more than what meets the eye (at least for me) and I'm glad i can let go of that dislike i once had for the season. So thank you once again for this beautiful content, im glad that we will get another video about snufkin! We truly need more TH-camrs like you^^
Hahahaha I tend to view that scene more like a "young love" deal; that one summer crush you meet while on vacation and then never see again. Either that or Moomintroll is confirmed for horse girl.
It was interesting how you didn’t cover how moomin interacted with the sea horse. How he became friends with the seahorse, shared a somewhat romantic evening, returned her shoe, and she disappeared. He reaches out for her, but this is when the groke appears. This is when he is ready to confront the groke, it makes sense because he does not try to posess the affection of the sea horse and lets her go
I absolutely love this analysis, I love the scene in which Moomintroll confronts and gets rid of his fears once and for all. This video was so clever and it made me appreciate this season even more!
Ok but if Snufkin is like home to Moomin then why oh why didn’t he leave him a note explaining where he went, or at least a goodbye letter, or something? It’s like his longing stopped completely after the episode where Snufkin left. is it that he’s realized their friendship seems rather one sided so he decided not to think of him anymore? I mean, he did tell Moomin that “a year goes by so quickly” as if he wouldn’t miss him when Moomin’s always practically counting the minutes waiting for him to come back (not to mention that he left right after telling him that a scary evil wizard could be coming for him, which was a bit of a dick move tbh...)
In november in moominvalley, snufkin amd moomintrolls roles are almost reversed. Snufkin stays in moominvalley and waits for moomin to come back, and he misses him just as much as moomin misses snufkin in the winter. Snufkin experiences what its like to be in moomintrolls point of view, eventually learning that even when he leaves, it doesnt mean other peoples lives stop to wait for him. And moomin also learns what its like to be in snufkins point of view. Still missing snufkin, but off on his own adventure. I think moomintroll not leaving snufkin a note sort of symnolizes how snufkin learns that peoples lives wont go on hold for snufkin when he leaves.
Cronch omg ur right 😢 and oh it’s like this es romance novels, anime and manga where one of the couple doesn’t cherish the other enough and later when the other Decides to let them go they suddenly realise their mistake 😩
I mean Snufkin had already left a while ago, maybe they assumed when he came back they’d be back themselves? Or maybe they thought he’d just move on with his life?
@@lord_ozymandias well sure they'll go back, but their intention was to move to the island permanently. and even if snufkin would've moved on if they were gone, i still find it a little odd that moomin wouldn't let him known what happened, particularly when he was in the habit of leaving him notes.
In fact, when I saw this season and especially the lighthouse episodes, I began to develop a theory of how the Seahorses represent the acceptance of a new environment as the Moomin tries to start a new life on the lighthouse island. As Moomin Troll develops an obsession with seahorses, he kind of tries to find a new love and a new starting point for a new life to which he has a hard time adjusting. While Groke is more representative of the Moomin Troll’s past and old life in the Moomin Valley, which returns to haunt him now as he tries to get over it. But when the Moomin finally decides to face Groke, he will finally leave the past behind and accept his new life. This is a bit of a loose theory, of course, but it’s still been spinning in my head for a while.
i’ve been looking forward to this video ever since season two ended. season two was great and this video made me appreciate it even more. love your content!! :)
I’m actually always afraid of losing my friends. Not because I don’t trust them. I’m 17, bad at communication and contact trough phone and all that, I stay in home doing work instead of going out with friends (even before quarantine). I have already lost two friendships due to this, they weren’t harsh break ups, we just, faded away from each other’s life. Even my mother is worried. But I cannot help but think they will find better friends, and live happier without me. Oh god. I’m gonna die alone 7 feet under my artworks. Oh yeah, the show. Maybe Snufkin is distant because of this, even though he is moomins best friend, he doesn’t see himself as an essential in his life, after all he is a wanderer, he is probably used to leaving friendships behind while following his passion, maybe even thinking it will be better for them.
I thought alot about why the groke may have stopped the hunt for the ruby when it shattered, like the groke did only start to appear when moomin found out it was in the suitcase and started to get scared because of the presence of the hobgoblin that also made snufkin leave earlier (tho this cant really explain why she had wanted the ruby in the first place, maybe moomin thought that if the groke had it, the hobgoblin would just follow her away from moominvalley forever). And as the ruby shattered there wasnt really a purpose for the want as the fear for the hobgoblin did vanish with the ruby not existing anymore. Maybe this is a really simple theory that may be loose on some edges, but i think there still is some truth in it
Whooooo I was eager for this! I loved it nice job. Season 2 was really good, I'm glad you brought up the part about the groke and Moomin. I tried to explain her correlation to love and I was looked at like a lunatic haha.Also have you heard of that theory that Snufkin imagined everyone at the house in the end because as they walked away they faded away and when he was walking with tuffle or whatever their name was only Snufkin's footsteps showed up in the snow? lmao some sad shit.
Omggggg I hadn't seen this theory before??? I'm speechless... it does have a point, ngl. Also, Moomintroll confronting the Groke was my favorite part of the whole series
When I saw the title of the episode, I was like "Isn't Moominvalley in November the saddest book?", so I expected it to be sad, now it makes more sense!!
I truly wish I had the Moomins as a child, because they would have helped me understand myself and my struggles; but I'm glad that I have them now. The Moomins have taught me so much about myself in my early adult life, and they have helped me grow.
Random, but am I the only one who finds the Groke kind of adorable in a weird and spooky way? Amazing analysis!!! I just found your channel and I'm currently watching through all your moominvalley videos :) I'm a newbie to the fandom and I'm very happy to be here!!
I'm glad to have you around!! I love the Groke, actually! Part of her character is that she is supposed to be deeply terrifying, but also a creature to be pitied... I just find that such a beautiful balance! Besides, the Moominvalley adaptation gave her this subtle glittery texture that is just the best
@@DrawpinionDump I love the glittery texture! Also, I rewatched "Night of the Groke" today and noticed something very interesting. Moomintroll first encounters the Groke on the bridge. The bridge where he meets with Snufkin. When I was watching the scene I couldn't help but think of your analysis describing the Groke as a reflection of Moomintroll's own clingy nature and the visual of her coming across the bridge with her arms outstretched felt too similar to Moomintroll waiting for Snufkin to be coincidental. So uh, very clever animation parallels there I think.
I have been waiting for this since season 2!!! You have quality, charm, and analysis skills that channels years older and bigger than yours could never hope to achieve. I genuinely hope your videos become something huge someday, they definitely deserve the attention.
I actually love how the groke is being characterized as the personification of his darker tendencies in love. It’s a couple years too late and you’ve probably mentioned it in another video and I’m just forgetting, but what is also beautiful is that when the groke comes to the island, the seahorse runs. She was not interested in sitting with him as he dealt with these darker tendencies. Despite his fears of being replaced, those who truly loved him never really left his side during his encounters with the groke. Snufkin even helped teach him how to deal with the groke when she arrives. Also I think it’s worth noting that Thingumy and Bob represent Tove’s relationship with a woman and the ruby they carry around have been interpreted to represent love. The groke’s desire to possess it because of its extreme value further supports this characterization.
Awesome video as always! It's really great writing on the crews part to be able to reign in the more fantastical elements of the story. As much as some might complain about portrayals and arcs the characters take its important to note they're still here watching the show. It's good writing that is focused on characters and interactions to form a coherent arc, things are being set up for season three that should be interesting. Snufkin may need to break out if his own mind and really talk with Moomin on what they mean to each other, because he was hurting that whole last episode and he needs to address it with calm unlike with Tiki Woo. It's going to be interesting to see if Snufkin can grow into a more open and caring person, and if Moomin will forgo hibernation to travel with Snufkin to embrace adventure. Either way it'll be a treat to watch your videos as it all shake out, thank you for your hard work!
10:12 - 10:17 In America The Groke freezes things with her touch. In Soviet Russia things freezes The Groke with their touch. ... This joke is already bad ain't it? ;-;
@@DrawpinionDump Wait, you actually like my joke? Also I feel honored that you commented on this. To me getting comments from bigger youtubers like you is like a once in a lifetime type of thing.
As a young teen growing up,the moomins is teaching me a lot about life,how to own up to my mistakes,stick up for myself,form an identity,be a good friend,and,maybe one day,a good girlfriend,it's helped me a lot these past few months,a lot has happened,and im happy to have been introduced to this wonderful show when i needed it most :)
HAHA i like,, YELLED when i saw this in my recc (for some reason i dont have notifs on?? djsd >:/) this is,, just,, UGH your analysis is so good!!! like everything about it and hh? AAA?? that ending really slapped me like it was from some teaser trailer doe hahaha this is great!! :D
Man I watch one video of funny Snufkin moments (one that focuses on the 90’s character and the voice actor enjoying the part too much) about two weeks ago, and I keep watching little pieces in other videos, and then I find your channel and this video made barely a week ago. I gotta actually watch this show huh.
I was so excited to See this video in my sub box!!! You speak so eloquently and help me understand deeper meanings that I’ve been struggling with since the season came out - in particular that scene with moomintroll and the groke Fantastic video! Can’t wait for snufkins side!
You have a good way of explaining and analyzing this show and giving your way of explaining the character development of Moomintroll and it is amazing work keep up the good work and remember to stay safe❤️
I grew up on the nineties anime version, and didn't found the new CGI version so appealing. But after your analysis videos I actually want to check it out.
No dislikes so far, nice~ I was also waiting for this video and I'm satisfied with its lenght and with the topics you decided to discuss in it (no mention of seahorses, tho? I guess you saved them for another time, maybe? :) I found this thread a bit funny, though it's also an interesting part of this season. It also shows how Moomin tries to cope with new reality and find happiness in a place, he was in some way forced to live in. Also the fact, that he so quickly started to flirt with seahorses, even thought he broke up with Snorkmaiden not so far ago? He still has some strugles with distinguishing friendship from deeper feelings afterall... :)). I already watched this video yesterday, but I guess I'll watch it once more~ Also can't wait for next analisys, with Snufkin's point of view ^^
Originally Snufkin was Based Off the Creator’s (Tove Jansson) relationship with her Fiancé who always Leaves as he pleases. And the Moomins was in a sense her way of venting her feelings. (They NEVER worked out and she found a woman to love)
WOW I am always so excited to see your analyses!! They're so on-point and comforting~♫ there's so much writing that I miss in the series in terms of parallels and story that I turn to this channel for so much better understanding!! ;u; (Although a lot of the original LGBTQ narratives have been lost this series, I'm kind of glad in a way that they're making it more broad in terms of personal identity / overcoming fear of not feeling loved; ............I just hope in S3 they introduce the narratives back, cuz otherwise what was all the pining in S1 for?????? ) Gnnnnn anyway I just love these vids thank you sm!!!!!
I'm glad I'm able to shine some light upon this wonderful series! I kinda wish the show would go more into the LGBTQ+ stuff too, but at the same I wonder if I'm not the one who's projecting too much into these characters... I mean, Tove's writing has undeniable LGBT undertones, but every time Snufkin leaves in the Moominvalley series my little gay heart breaks, so I guess they must be doing a good job!
I always look forward to your next video and I’ll say this time and time again: your videos deserve much more views!! your analysis provides a fresh perspective on the show and help me to see arcs that I didn’t notice before :) keep it up, drawpinion! love your work!
I really enjoy your analysis :) looking forward to the next one and hoping you touch on little Mys arc, I recall one of the makers saying she would have some.
i have been reading so much fanfiction to feed my moominvalley hunger... just to find out that it will take years for season 3, at least i have your videos for now
This just reminded me of one episode that I watched as a kid where Moomin turned into a monster and no one recognized him until his dad did and then he turned back I do not know why but I got so sad and scared of that episode and now that I am watching this video of Moomin its all coming back.
Yesss love your videos!! Since I'm not a native English speaker I just can't understand some parts of the episodes so watching this videos help me fully understand them :D Besides, I love your analysis
Oh, wow! I'm not a native speaker either, so I'm always trying to speak clearly and make my accent understandable... I'm glad I was able to come through to you!
This is sooooooo nice. I really liked it c: The Moomins stories might be even better than what I expected. As soon as I can I will start watching the show and reading ebooks a a aa a . Thank you, this was veeery nice. I don't know what else to say XD
A part of dialogue i like to point out is when moomin and snufkin are talking about the hobgoblin in the cave:
"Wow! He must really love that ruby."
"He wishes to possess it. Theres a difference."
And I think that is a very good way to point out how moomins original idea of love was more possesive.
Yeah I thought that too!
Yeah, I thought that was an indirect way of talking about their relationship.
People who know them because of the books: The OG's
People who know them because of the comics: The OG's of the OG's
People who know them because the adaptations: the kids of the OG's
People who know them because random TH-cam videos: literally 99% of the fanbase.
They're all welcome here!
@@tecc9999 Ah, I'm from America so finding the books is hard.
Well I knew them because of Joinen and channels that talked about Finland, but I wasn't _that_ interested in them because they never talked about SNUFKIN
So, it's like TH-cam introduced them to me properly with the recommended videos (Snufkin mostly) 😳
@@smileyfacegr6691 I saw one of Joinen's videos with Moomin walking with Sniff and Snuf, I was like "Nice"
@@devilledeggmuncher that was the first encounter with them, but I didn't really care, whoopss
“He is free to love...”
*Shows scene of Moomintroll giving Snufkin his hand*
Me: *hehehehehehhehehehe*
big mood
Hopefully they get together very soon
Fixielle Haha! I know, right?
Mhmmmm uwu who? >:33 XD
@@fixielle I think if they would get together, it would ruin their character dynamic.
Can’t wait to hear snufkins side, especially since they’re going for the “Snufkin in November” vibe lol
Everytime you refer to Snorkmaiden as Moomin’s friend I gain a year of my life
SAME haha
I’m basically immortal now
Snufkin: Where's Moomintroll?
Sorkmaiden: He's on his honeymoon
Snufkin: Honeymoon? with whom???
Little my lol
The Groke low-key just wants to hug a moomin.
And you know what? I feel her
Still think they should’ve developed her a bit more like in the book.
@@anaveragegamingchannel1843
maybe one should make some kind of film that depicts groke coldness and loneliness. he even has a couple of horror stories made describing this nocturnal horror in him
Don't we all
She is moomin’s Yandere 🤣
what if in season 3 they pull a moominvalley in november and show Snufkin being all like "aw dang I miss moomin :((" and moomin like "heehoo freedom, what crimes will I commit?", and at the end when they finally reunite it's like "yooo I finally understand u, let's make out"
be gay, do crimes
Beautiful, I would 100% love a season like this
"what crime will I commit." Why is that me???
“yooo I finally understand u, let’s make out” 😂😂
👏👏👏 bravo
snufkins smile in moomins dream sequence is the scariest thing ive seen
SAME
And the thing is, I wasn't prepared for this
I hadn't seen that scene in any screenshots, so I was both scared, scarred and amused, I didn't sleep well that night thinking of the face
The Groke: I'm the scarriest thing in Moomin!
Snufkin in Moomin's dream: *exists*
The Groke: *Incoherent screaming*
TRUE
i think i missed it, do u know the timestamp?
Unrelated, but few days ago, I had a dumb dream where I saw a video on youtube titled "Moominvalley S3 spoilers: Moomin realises his feelings for Snufkin" and then I woke up out of pure disbelief
that sounds my fantasy
Omgggg I'm screaming
Here's to hoping dreams do come true :,)
You saw a vision of the future fam
Bhahaha, I had a dream where you could see what was behind Toffle, and it was the Groke lmaoo
In another dream, apparently Moomin and Snufkin had reunited and Snufkin FINALLY showed his sensitive side to Moomin, sobbing (and of course Little My was there, hidden in the bushes)
@@smileyfacegr6691 THE GROKE FJXKDFHGKDG IM SCREAMING
I'm much more in favor of your second dream ;w;
so. . . I see that we've collectively decided to just ignore the seahorse in the room, huh. . .
Moomintroll confirmed for horse girl
maybe they'll be in the next video because you can draw certain... parallels, with another character xD
Wait what seahorse, seahorses are lovely I wanna see it show me this second
As a seahorse she can follow anywhere Moomintroll goes in his boat, so I'm hoping we'll see her in season 3.
@@Breezwayman omg I hadn't thought about that
I think Moominmamma recognized Moomin not because she doesn't see him as a grown up but because no matter how old or mature he becomes, she will always see him as her dear baby and that doesn't have to be a bad thing.
I'm so glad that they portrayed Moomintroll's "possessiveness" as an insecurity rather than a servere character flaw.
Yes, his jealousy does get out of hand sometimes (making for some quality comedy), but he's such a genuinely good and understanding person that he deeply respects everyone around him and their needs. Moomintroll's always able to fix a problem by simply telling everyone to shut up, listen and show some empathy.
He's not toxic or controlling, he's just afraid of letting go lest he be forgotten, kind of like his crush- I mean... best friend! :D
MoominTroll just has a giant crush on Snuffkin, change my mind.
I won't
Moomin fandom in a single sentence.
Not even da lord himself can change my mind about that
Can't change your mind cause your right lmao.
Is no one going to mention that a man just walked out of MoominTroll’s room, making it look like he spent the night in there, and no one even blinks. The entire breakfast sequence has “meeting the family for the first time” vibes. I feel like they just assumed it was his secret boyfriend and they didn’t want to say anything and embarrass him lmao
Aww this is such a great perspective. I was too busy focusing on Snufmin I didn't notice the whole character development for Moomin boi.
It happens ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (ok but no joke, I feel like Moomintroll's growth is directly related to his relationship with Snufkin so none of this would happen if snufmin wasn't a thing)
@@DrawpinionDump GUSTY KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO US
I liked how in second season they had more time on the island than in 90s version.
Also they have given Groke more expressions, like heck she rolled her eyes!
I maybe watch the show for pure enjoyment and don't think it that much but these analysis videos give them more depth.
The Groke was amazing in this season! I also loved the island arc!
I can’t wait to see Snufkin’s pov!
I don't know whether or not someone else has already figured this out (there probably is-), but, you know that scene where Snufkin looks into his campfire all thoughtful and stuff, and he says "Moomintroll...where are you?"? It parallels that one scene from The Spring Tune, where Moomintroll is looking out of his bedroom window, waiting for Snufkin to arrive, and says "...Where are you?".
Nice catch!!! The parallels between the two throughout the whole season keep me up at night, crying over how much I love these boys
AASDAS SNUFKIN'S VOICE WAS SO SOFT WHEN HE PRONOUNCED MOOMINTROLL'S NAME THAT I MELTED ON THE SPOT. THE EMOTIONS. THE PINING. IM OAGAGAHGA
@@lyl_es9421 mood
Unpopular opinion; The Groke in this series is adorable.
I love her! She has this rly cool subtle glitter effect?? 10/10
The groke is, in his opinion, a lonely and cold creature who cannot control his state of being and is therefore my favorite character. darkness and loneliness fascinate me in him.
The Groke is a woman, but I feel the same way about her
@@smileyfacegr6691 i know groke is a woman, but from my own childhood i thought groke was a man from 1990 moomins
@@viittaritaricomic3761 oh, whoops
Viittaritari Comic Depends on the translation.
I was waiting for the next Moomin analysis, and I am not disappointed. 😌 I feel like a good portion of the fandom seem to dislike this season immensely due to certain changes to the story or how characters are portrayed, which is fair, but I think this causes people to have a very narrow view of this adaptation. Moominvalley is different in a lot of ways from its previous adaptations and it's tackling the story of the Moomins in a slightly different way, which I personally love! I like seeing Moomintroll learn how to come into his own, how to love selflessly and become the person he wants to be. It's such a wonderful thing, especially because so many people struggle with the question of identity that it feels good to someone find themselves. (It's even better when you look at the queer undertones of the show, which again, is something people struggle with)
I get why some would be upset over the changes, but with every installment it becomes clear to me that the writers of this show actually love the moomins and want to do a good job! The way in which they create their own canon is very respectful and still remains true to the source material.
@@DrawpinionDump Exactly! The show isn't like the 90s anime, the comic strips, or the books, but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing! The creative team has demonstrated time and time again how much they love the Moomins and have so far been respectful of the original source material! And, I like that they've branched out from the original source and created their own things too!
Also, I should clarify that people are free to dislike Moominvalley! It's perfectly understandable! However, the problem comes from expecting Moominvalley to be /exactly/ like its predecessors and being angry that it isn't! The show is its own thing and should be treated as such!
@@chihuahuarocks9664 Oh yea, for sure! sometimes a thing is just not your cup of tea and that's fine!
This is definitely the tea for me, though uwu
Chihuahua Rocks
Queer undertones? I don’t understand
@@ivyproductions7097 Sure! Like, for example, the Groke is meant to represent the Tove's fears and the hatred she had to deal with as a queer woman. (This is something she once explicitly explained by the way!) You could argue the theme of "identity" and finding one's place in the world could be direct inferences to queer people finding their identities and their place in the world. I don't have time to explain further, but the show doesn't make it a secret. 😅
If season 3 doesn’t start with moomintroll reuniting with snufkin I will scream.
Perhaps... what if the second encounter with the Groke didn’t happen at all? Only Moomintroll could feel the presence of her, and no one is around when he confronts her. Or maybe, as you kind of alluded to in the video, she was only there for Moomin. Rather than being fear itself, maybe the Groke in the second season is only Moomin’s fear...
I agree that it was a very moomin-exclusive deal; I don't think that whether she was physically there or not matters as much as the fact that Moomintroll did confront her, even if it was in his mind!
*Was literally waiting for this video. Loved your last one and your voice is so calming ❤*
Why are you in every moomin video?
Ayyyyy
It's Gandalf the Gay
Gandalf I smile every time I see one of your comments
Aahh you literally somehow mke me smile when I see you in a moomin video!
@@ThatCatmeow Same
BROOOO I WAS LITERALLY JUST WONDERING WHEN YOUR NEXT VIDEO WOULD COME OUT AAA
Always glad to serve!!!
Honestly, i was very salty about season 2.
I didn't like it at first because of the change in tone, mostly to Moomintroll. He is very different from the Moomin i had familiarize myself with.
He came off as *too* angsty and it kinda irked me to say the least.
But seeing it from your perspective gives me new light to his character and he is more than what meets the eye (at least for me) and I'm glad i can let go of that dislike i once had for the season.
So thank you once again for this beautiful content, im glad that we will get another video about snufkin! We truly need more TH-camrs like you^^
"He is free to love..."
*shows Snufkin and Moomin holding paws together* agkskdbamjshjsskjd
I was hoping you'd talk why Moomintroll was romantically in love with a horse, since i didn't get a single thing about the whole episode.
Hahahaha I tend to view that scene more like a "young love" deal; that one summer crush you meet while on vacation and then never see again. Either that or Moomintroll is confirmed for horse girl.
I wanna talk about Moominvalley is about to become my new "do you want to talk about homestuck"
legit that's the legacy i want to have
It was interesting how you didn’t cover how moomin interacted with the sea horse. How he became friends with the seahorse, shared a somewhat romantic evening, returned her shoe, and she disappeared. He reaches out for her, but this is when the groke appears. This is when he is ready to confront the groke, it makes sense because he does not try to posess the affection of the sea horse and lets her go
I absolutely love this analysis, I love the scene in which Moomintroll confronts and gets rid of his fears once and for all. This video was so clever and it made me appreciate this season even more!
he love freely now? He free to love?
*does this mean what I think it means?*
Ok but if Snufkin is like home to Moomin then why oh why didn’t he leave him a note explaining where he went, or at least a goodbye letter, or something? It’s like his longing stopped completely after the episode where Snufkin left. is it that he’s realized their friendship seems rather one sided so he decided not to think of him anymore? I mean, he did tell Moomin that “a year goes by so quickly” as if he wouldn’t miss him when Moomin’s always practically counting the minutes waiting for him to come back (not to mention that he left right after telling him that a scary evil wizard could be coming for him, which was a bit of a dick move tbh...)
oh
In november in moominvalley, snufkin amd moomintrolls roles are almost reversed. Snufkin stays in moominvalley and waits for moomin to come back, and he misses him just as much as moomin misses snufkin in the winter. Snufkin experiences what its like to be in moomintrolls point of view, eventually learning that even when he leaves, it doesnt mean other peoples lives stop to wait for him. And moomin also learns what its like to be in snufkins point of view. Still missing snufkin, but off on his own adventure. I think moomintroll not leaving snufkin a note sort of symnolizes how snufkin learns that peoples lives wont go on hold for snufkin when he leaves.
Cronch omg ur right 😢 and oh it’s like this es romance novels, anime and manga where one of the couple doesn’t cherish the other enough and later when the other Decides to let them go they suddenly realise their mistake 😩
I mean Snufkin had already left a while ago, maybe they assumed when he came back they’d be back themselves? Or maybe they thought he’d just move on with his life?
@@lord_ozymandias well sure they'll go back, but their intention was to move to the island permanently. and even if snufkin would've moved on if they were gone, i still find it a little odd that moomin wouldn't let him known what happened, particularly when he was in the habit of leaving him notes.
In fact, when I saw this season and especially the lighthouse episodes, I began to develop a theory of how the Seahorses represent the acceptance of a new environment as the Moomin tries to start a new life on the lighthouse island. As Moomin Troll develops an obsession with seahorses, he kind of tries to find a new love and a new starting point for a new life to which he has a hard time adjusting. While Groke is more representative of the Moomin Troll’s past and old life in the Moomin Valley, which returns to haunt him now as he tries to get over it. But when the Moomin finally decides to face Groke, he will finally leave the past behind and accept his new life.
This is a bit of a loose theory, of course, but it’s still been spinning in my head for a while.
I've only watched 2 of these Moomin valley breakdowns counting this one so far. And I am convinced that this show is the EVA of children's shows.
Yay! Another Moomin video! Thanks, Darwin.
ngl it made me laugh pretty hard it was incredible
i’ve been looking forward to this video ever since season two ended. season two was great and this video made me appreciate it even more. love your content!! :)
Thank you!!!
I’m actually always afraid of losing my friends. Not because I don’t trust them. I’m 17, bad at communication and contact trough phone and all that, I stay in home doing work instead of going out with friends (even before quarantine). I have already lost two friendships due to this, they weren’t harsh break ups, we just, faded away from each other’s life.
Even my mother is worried. But I cannot help but think they will find better friends, and live happier without me.
Oh god. I’m gonna die alone 7 feet under my artworks.
Oh yeah, the show. Maybe Snufkin is distant because of this, even though he is moomins best friend, he doesn’t see himself as an essential in his life, after all he is a wanderer, he is probably used to leaving friendships behind while following his passion, maybe even thinking it will be better for them.
Now is the big question... whom will he love openly next..? Huehuehue
THE ENDING 😭
I thought alot about why the groke may have stopped the hunt for the ruby when it shattered, like the groke did only start to appear when moomin found out it was in the suitcase and started to get scared because of the presence of the hobgoblin that also made snufkin leave earlier (tho this cant really explain why she had wanted the ruby in the first place, maybe moomin thought that if the groke had it, the hobgoblin would just follow her away from moominvalley forever). And as the ruby shattered there wasnt really a purpose for the want as the fear for the hobgoblin did vanish with the ruby not existing anymore. Maybe this is a really simple theory that may be loose on some edges, but i think there still is some truth in it
I was starting to slip from the fandom, thanks for catching me and pulling me back lol
Once in the moomin black hole, always in the moomin black hole
i gained 10K brain cells listening to you thanks
Always glad to help!
Whooooo I was eager for this! I loved it nice job. Season 2 was really good, I'm glad you brought up the part about the groke and Moomin. I tried to explain her correlation to love and I was looked at like a lunatic haha.Also have you heard of that theory that Snufkin imagined everyone at the house in the end because as they walked away they faded away and when he was walking with tuffle or whatever their name was only Snufkin's footsteps showed up in the snow? lmao some sad shit.
Omggggg I hadn't seen this theory before??? I'm speechless... it does have a point, ngl. Also, Moomintroll confronting the Groke was my favorite part of the whole series
ooh that’d be interesting, thought I’ve seen quite a number of shots with toffle and snufkin’s footprints in view
@@theweirdscape ahaha fair enough
When I saw the title of the episode, I was like "Isn't Moominvalley in November the saddest book?", so I expected it to be sad, now it makes more sense!!
I truly wish I had the Moomins as a child, because they would have helped me understand myself and my struggles; but I'm glad that I have them now. The Moomins have taught me so much about myself in my early adult life, and they have helped me grow.
why do I relate to the groke for some reason
To be honest,I didn't quite like season 2 as much as season 1, and was rather displeased with it, but you made me see it in a more forgiving light :)
Random, but am I the only one who finds the Groke kind of adorable in a weird and spooky way?
Amazing analysis!!! I just found your channel and I'm currently watching through all your moominvalley videos :) I'm a newbie to the fandom and I'm very happy to be here!!
I'm glad to have you around!!
I love the Groke, actually! Part of her character is that she is supposed to be deeply terrifying, but also a creature to be pitied... I just find that such a beautiful balance! Besides, the Moominvalley adaptation gave her this subtle glittery texture that is just the best
@@DrawpinionDump I love the glittery texture! Also, I rewatched "Night of the Groke" today and noticed something very interesting. Moomintroll first encounters the Groke on the bridge. The bridge where he meets with Snufkin. When I was watching the scene I couldn't help but think of your analysis describing the Groke as a reflection of Moomintroll's own clingy nature and the visual of her coming across the bridge with her arms outstretched felt too similar to Moomintroll waiting for Snufkin to be coincidental. So uh, very clever animation parallels there I think.
@@spacecat_scribbles omggggg I didn't even think of the bridge!!!! Great catch!!!
I have been waiting for this since season 2!!! You have quality, charm, and analysis skills that channels years older and bigger than yours could never hope to achieve. I genuinely hope your videos become something huge someday, they definitely deserve the attention.
;w; thank u
Best pals.
Great chums.
Good friends.
Your analysis is always so in depth and conclusive and hnnnnnggg
I can't wait for your Snufkin point of view analysis for season 2!
I hope the following seasons have at least some episodes as insane as the anime got at times. Bring back the time machine!
His "best friend".
Your voice sounds like a slightly deeper
CoolFireBird - The Animated Reviewer
I like your voice, it's nice
Thanks!
I actually love how the groke is being characterized as the personification of his darker tendencies in love. It’s a couple years too late and you’ve probably mentioned it in another video and I’m just forgetting, but what is also beautiful is that when the groke comes to the island, the seahorse runs. She was not interested in sitting with him as he dealt with these darker tendencies. Despite his fears of being replaced, those who truly loved him never really left his side during his encounters with the groke. Snufkin even helped teach him how to deal with the groke when she arrives. Also I think it’s worth noting that Thingumy and Bob represent Tove’s relationship with a woman and the ruby they carry around have been interpreted to represent love. The groke’s desire to possess it because of its extreme value further supports this characterization.
Awesome video as always! It's really great writing on the crews part to be able to reign in the more fantastical elements of the story. As much as some might complain about portrayals and arcs the characters take its important to note they're still here watching the show. It's good writing that is focused on characters and interactions to form a coherent arc, things are being set up for season three that should be interesting. Snufkin may need to break out if his own mind and really talk with Moomin on what they mean to each other, because he was hurting that whole last episode and he needs to address it with calm unlike with Tiki Woo. It's going to be interesting to see if Snufkin can grow into a more open and caring person, and if Moomin will forgo hibernation to travel with Snufkin to embrace adventure. Either way it'll be a treat to watch your videos as it all shake out, thank you for your hard work!
10:12 - 10:17
In America The Groke freezes things with her touch.
In Soviet Russia things freezes The Groke with their touch.
... This joke is already bad ain't it? ;-;
it has been so long since I've read a soviet russia joke I'm dying
@@DrawpinionDump
Wait, you actually like my joke? Also I feel honored that you commented on this. To me getting comments from bigger youtubers like you is like a once in a lifetime type of thing.
finally I’ve been waiting for months I can’t wait
As a young teen growing up,the moomins is teaching me a lot about life,how to own up to my mistakes,stick up for myself,form an identity,be a good friend,and,maybe one day,a good girlfriend,it's helped me a lot these past few months,a lot has happened,and im happy to have been introduced to this wonderful show when i needed it most :)
I love your analysis videos! They're so detailed and make me love the show even more
We just gonna skip his love with a seahorse? Yeah, sounds about right
omg yesss i’ve waited for this video 👁👁
HAHA i like,, YELLED when i saw this in my recc (for some reason i dont have notifs on?? djsd >:/)
this is,, just,, UGH your analysis is so good!!! like everything about it and hh? AAA?? that ending really slapped me like it was from some teaser trailer doe hahaha
this is great!! :D
thank you thank you thank you ;w;
Man I watch one video of funny Snufkin moments (one that focuses on the 90’s character and the voice actor enjoying the part too much) about two weeks ago, and I keep watching little pieces in other videos, and then I find your channel and this video made barely a week ago. I gotta actually watch this show huh.
I just finished watching season 2 and immediately ran here 😄 I was so excited to finally watch these videos. I miss the show already!!
I was so excited to
See this video in my sub box!!! You speak so eloquently and help me understand deeper meanings that I’ve been struggling with since the season came out - in particular that scene with moomintroll and the groke
Fantastic video! Can’t wait for snufkins side!
Just found (and watched all of) your videos yesterday, what wonderful timing~
You have a good way of explaining and analyzing this show and giving your way of explaining the character development of Moomintroll and it is amazing work keep up the good work and remember to stay safe❤️
Thank u!!! Stay safe too!
Dang your videos are perceptive! Can't wait for the next one!
I grew up on the nineties anime version, and didn't found the new CGI version so appealing. But after your analysis videos I actually want to check it out.
No dislikes so far, nice~ I was also waiting for this video and I'm satisfied with its lenght and with the topics you decided to discuss in it (no mention of seahorses, tho? I guess you saved them for another time, maybe? :) I found this thread a bit funny, though it's also an interesting part of this season. It also shows how Moomin tries to cope with new reality and find happiness in a place, he was in some way forced to live in. Also the fact, that he so quickly started to flirt with seahorses, even thought he broke up with Snorkmaiden not so far ago? He still has some strugles with distinguishing friendship from deeper feelings afterall... :)). I already watched this video yesterday, but I guess I'll watch it once more~ Also can't wait for next analisys, with Snufkin's point of view ^^
You wanna make me cry? I love this so much 💕
I can’t wait to see more episodes about moominvally
I’ve never watched the moomins but I love the fan animations and art like yours with the analysis bits. It is very fun! Thank you~
Come for the insightful commentary and analysis of a show I'm still trying to decide whether or not I like, stay for the calming ASMR conclusion.
Moomintrolls development is honesty super clever and I love your analysis of it! Your videos are fantastic! :)
Originally Snufkin was Based Off the Creator’s (Tove Jansson) relationship with her Fiancé who always Leaves as he pleases.
And the Moomins was in a sense her way of venting her feelings.
(They NEVER worked out and she found a woman to love)
Hey it's actually "Jansson"
@@Boredsinner0666 Oh really?! My bad!
@@bruhservices5942 no problem 😁
Yay!!!! Moomin time!!!!!
WOW I am always so excited to see your analyses!! They're so on-point and comforting~♫ there's so much writing that I miss in the series in terms of parallels and story that I turn to this channel for so much better understanding!! ;u;
(Although a lot of the original LGBTQ narratives have been lost this series, I'm kind of glad in a way that they're making it more broad in terms of personal identity / overcoming fear of not feeling loved;
............I just hope in S3 they introduce the narratives back, cuz otherwise what was all the pining in S1 for?????? )
Gnnnnn anyway I just love these vids thank you sm!!!!!
I'm glad I'm able to shine some light upon this wonderful series!
I kinda wish the show would go more into the LGBTQ+ stuff too, but at the same I wonder if I'm not the one who's projecting too much into these characters... I mean, Tove's writing has undeniable LGBT undertones, but every time Snufkin leaves in the Moominvalley series my little gay heart breaks, so I guess they must be doing a good job!
I love moominvalley it’s my favorite tv show
I always look forward to your next video and I’ll say this time and time again: your videos deserve much more views!! your analysis provides a fresh perspective on the show and help me to see arcs that I didn’t notice before :) keep it up, drawpinion! love your work!
thank u ;w;
Amazing video ! Thank you ^^
I thank *you*!
HOO GURL I BEEN WAITIN FOR THIS ONE!!
I really enjoy your analysis :) looking forward to the next one and hoping you touch on little Mys arc, I recall one of the makers saying she would have some.
i have been reading so much fanfiction to feed my moominvalley hunger... just to find out that it will take years for season 3, at least i have your videos for now
This just reminded me of one episode that I watched as a kid where Moomin turned into a monster and no one recognized him until his dad did and then he turned back I do not know why but I got so sad and scared of that episode and now that I am watching this video of Moomin its all coming back.
I just seen that there was that Hat episode in this adaptation and its not nearly trauma inducing as the previous adaptation this is so not fair
i was so excited for this!!!!
All of this growing up only for moomintroll and snufkins to get together
i love your accent sm, its so relaxing! where is it from if you dont mind me asking?
Brazil!
Is it just me or does anyone else find it hilarious that she never mentioned the seahorses? That episode gave second hand embarrassment.
ahjskdfh i talk about them in another video!
th-cam.com/video/KNx9HK1lR8o/w-d-xo.html
Oh !!! Its hereeee!
Yesss love your videos!! Since I'm not a native English speaker I just can't understand some parts of the episodes so watching this videos help me fully understand them :D Besides, I love your analysis
Oh, wow! I'm not a native speaker either, so I'm always trying to speak clearly and make my accent understandable... I'm glad I was able to come through to you!
@@DrawpinionDump wait, YOU'RE NOT??? Your pronunciation is flawless hole shet :O
@@psychicuterus1339 omggg thanks! But no, I'm Brazilian!
I really love your videos and even if i don't understand the english very well i effort myself to get all that you say just 'cause i love them ._. uwu
Thank you! Hopefully I speak clearly enough for that, haha! English is not my first language too, so I worry about my pronunciation a lot!
@@DrawpinionDump :0 you answer me ♡ i love your accent very much i think that it's so nice!
@@DrawpinionDump what country you're from?
@@ymotechnopopfan Brazil!
This is sooooooo nice. I really liked it c: The Moomins stories might be even better than what I expected. As soon as I can I will start watching the show and reading ebooks a a aa a . Thank you, this was veeery nice. I don't know what else to say XD
I’m genuinely learning life lessons rn
Oh DANG you made another vid. Thanks 4 da moomin fix
i havent seen 2019 moomins cuz i dont know how do get it but good video
16:26 damn that was the creepiest smile I've ever seen
YES ANOTHER ONE