That rig has been beat, but not to death as long as Warren comes to the rescue. I hope these people appreciate the work you do on site, in all different weather, and know what you're doing. You can't find as many good mechanics as there used to be, and the amount of work you do, and the hour's you put in to get people going again you just don't see that to much. Thanks for putting out so many video's after the break you took, because you have helped me with thing's i do, and i appreciate your time. G-d bless.
That is a strange design especially using such light gauge metal. I think that requires a substantial rebuild as you say. Great work getting it mobile again.
100% that steel is so stressed and fatigued you're correct on saying most of the main tube needs to be replaced. The engineers design it and then it's up to the "Field Mechanic" to make it work!
Ha number 1, hey Warren. Some fine field fix there. Get it back to the shop and scab it together. Then they can arrange for you to fix it right after the season is over. Thanks much for the video my friend.
Thank you for the video Warren, 👍 if I broke that I would of had my ass chewed and wouldn't hear the last of this from everyone while someone else that's keeps braking wouldn't.
I was thinking weld first, then square tube on the outside like a long sleeve. Some here mentioned steel so stressed and fatigued it needs to be replaced.
I do this kind of job in italy. The frame is too thin and need to reinforce this weak area. Before lifting the broken part i usually clean the crack so the 2 pieces match better.👍
Warren your crane should have come with another block, where you can double your line up, I can tell it’s an IMT but I can’t see if it’s a 3820? I know it has to be about a 2000 model? Around 2005 or 2006 they would have been wireless on a rig as nice as yours., if you look on eBay there is a “Kartech” retrofit kit that will upgrade you to wireless, with a backup wire , in case you have dead battery, or on a job site that does not permit wireless, I think that’s mostly around blasting?? But I run mine in double line pretty much permanently, and it moves plenty fast enough., both on my “proportional” and “non proportional” units, which is when you can control speed with the trigger., the non proportional are just on or off., one speed.. , another thing you can do, to get a little more out of assuming you use your head, every function on the crane has a spring and a ball, that allow too much pressure to overcome the spring and bypass the fluid instead of lifting the load, in my experience the springs become fatigued over time, and require you to throw a hydraulic pressure gauge on there and tighten up those springs, or replace them outright.. don’t pin them closed or it may look like the rake .lol but there is a imt tech support that has been awesome to me., and they will give you procedures to dial it in properly..
It's harvest time. Time for some zip-ties and JB Weld, and maybe a few ratchet straps. Then finish this year's harvest and park it until you need it next year. Prepare to be surprised next year when you find it still busted! In the meantime, out of sight, out of mind. Remember Farmer Logic: Expenses delayed are money made. 😜😜😜😜😜
@nightstorm9128 That's overkill. What was there is a long way from 1/4-inch tubing. Half-inch tubing would be a ridiculous amount of added weight. I had to weld tubing of similar looking thickness years ago on a Kershaw Tie Injector for the railroad. I was pretty surprised when i saw how thick the tubing was, and it looked to be the same thickness as this. I assumed it would be thicker as well, but i welded it up, and it was fine the rest of the season. 1800 to over 2000 railroad ties a shift so that arm moved in and out twice per tie ramming it in the ballast under the rails
@@henrydillard6217 Same as everything else. All value engineered to crap. A fridge won't even last 5-10 years and the fridge my mother had when she was a kid was still working when my grandparents passed. 60 years later. Still in my uncles barn keeping drinks cold.
A lot of it isn't just the engineers... it's the idiots that think the older equipment needs to be ran like the newer equipment which is designed to be ran faster and in rough terrain. This rake is beat and honestly, should be replaced with a merger. This style of rake is junk and has been such even straight from the factory.
I believe you are right in your thinking about cutting that main arm completely out and starting over with heavier walled tube and/or a truss type piece under to help that issue out. Good luck with it, be interested in how you end up repairing it, thanks for the update, enjoyed watching.
The rake wasn't built sturdy enough for the people that are using it. Maybe we will get to see You re-engineer it some day. Thanks again Warren and Best Wishes to You and Your Family....
Seems like a bunch of stress on that area, add rough fields and high speeds, it’s amazing it held together. Finding a company that could roll some heavy square tubing might be hard to find. Could you shove some heavy tubing inside the original tubing and plug welding the heck out of it?? I swear you could give some people a steel ball bearing, come back in 5 minutes and they would have the stuffing ripped out of it. Thanks for the videos, Warren.
I have a Vermeer 2800 it’s bounced over allot hay ground and that has never happened to it. Heavier frame they need to trade that rake in and get a vermeer rake 👍🏻
Crazy design. Is this common for these types of emplements. I guess stress found the weakest spot again. Your dogs must be the luckiest dogs around getting to go with you and explore like dogs need to do. Good for you too Warren thanks for the videos.
I grew up knowing is as Air Arc. My dad called it that too. He was a welder. I happened to google the company recently to get replacement parts for the stinger my dad handed down to me and it’s called Arc Air! It’s reversed. 😂 I couldn’t believe it.
Well Arc Air is a brand name. I did it in the shop as well, although i was a mechanic, and not a full-time welder. All our welders called it Air Arcing too. Air Arc are not the only manufacturers of air carbon arc gouging equipment.
Hey, just curious if your Crane normally uses a block to run Two part line? My crane can use single part or double depending how heavy you need to lift. Or does yours lift full capacity with single part?
Just asking, but is there some way to span part of that arc with a gusset to strengthen it? Or would it get in the way of its operation. Love your vidios Warren.
The large square tubular frame structure reminds me of a Border TV Show, where a semi was crossing the border from Mexico to the US, with a green large square frame structure with wheels. They ran the truck through X-Ray, and saw anomalies inside. They cut the ends off the square tubes, and found metal boxes inside. Once they emptied the structure out, they cut a metal box open. Each box contained compressed marijuana.
I know you seen my cousins channell. IC WELD. I am not saying you are not a good welder. Just referring that Isaac is a great resource and is always willing to help. I always ask when for outside input. Isaac and my Cousin Jimmy who is a pipeline welder saved us allot of time and money. We call them the Goal keepers of metal. We are Dairyman. we will screw shit up.
I had a gehl 12ft swing tongue sickle haybine if i hit ruts head on tongue would flex but never snapped there was large/thick factory plate welded back at the pivot haybine is designed if one wheel gets hung up in a rut the hydraulic ram "lets go" on the pressure
Do you go out looking for the most fun jobs to do? That hitch frame would have suffered lots of stress over the years. Thanks for the vidios Warren. cheers.
Hey sir just suggestion if take a plate slide inside bot sides drill holes so you can weld like plug holes but with the plate in back then your crack weld that up with both front halfs and rear halfs wyo tech calls it butt weld with backing, way looks there lot of pressure on that seem
Pretty dumb design, needs same size tube welded to it to make it a truss(well I Made the comment before 19:08 the. You said exactly what I was thinking so never mind you got it all figured
That’s a poorly made piece of machinery anyway but do what you can do with it. The material is thin,,,,, terrible,terrible,terrible. The tractor is supposed to pull all that weight with that little bitty steel to run with?
Revisit it, add bracing like underneath from the bend, one brace on each side to y” it to each side it doesn’t look like that’s going last long either. Ya that would work. I’m so smart 😂… 😂😂😂🎉 that material is so thin for the way it pulls the machine
Could you fit a smaller box section inside the cracked one? You might bolt this in + a few wields and then fit and wield the outer tube as outlined. That tube might suffer severe bending moments.
I’d prolly just scrap that arch piece. Make a kind of “Z” shape hitch but make the vertical piece 90 degrees & square to the horizontal portions (rake & drawbar). Then put in a couple 45 degree pieces to make two triangles out of the “Z”. Clear as mud? Lol
Good job . Looked difficult to get it lined up and leveled out. Just wondering why you didn't put a lenth of square tube inside of it ? Slip both ends on weild it and plate it on the outside.
That's a pretty weak part of the design. More gusseting like you're talking about and possibly some on the sides to take some of the pressure off the junction would definitely help. We're still digging out from hurricane Helene. Our internet just came back on. Thanks Warren!
What are those ranchers and farmers going to do if something serious should happen to you, or even, you should decide that the rocking chair is a better option? Around here in the east, hardly anyone can get equipment repaired correctly. Heck, a lot of small farmers are buying up good, old 1970 s tractors for a backup in case of emergencies because they have get their crops in.
Good job on the repair again. That thing is a crap design! Like it's designed to fail. Needs some heavier steel and waaay better bracing. And an operator who's keeps an eye on whats happening wouldn't hurt either.
That looks to be a very poorly designed bit of equipment. Must be huge stress on that section beam, no wonder it broke, couple that with a slow operator that may be a bit rough
That whole piece needs to be replaced. The design is crap ,made worse by the thin metal of the material. No matter how you weld it, it will continually break.And the length of the arc does not lend itself to a proper brace.
Warren, I never see anybody helping you. Is that your preference? If I was a farmer under pressure i would be doing everything possible to get my equipment back to work asap.
That whole rig is flaky. Thin wall tubing obviously can't handle the stress and the length of the arm is way too much to take the beating. Farming equipment has to be rugged. This thing ain't.. Hate to be captain obvious but beefing it up in that place will expose another weak spot somewhere else for sure.
I know farmers have to work around the clock to meet their deadlines for crop planting and harvesting, but this fella needs to slow down just a bit. Equipment break downs aren't going to help him any.
That rake is of such poor design and construction needed to be much heavier gauge box section looked good in dealers yard but not rugged enough thanks for video Warren you definitely get some interesting jobs
Notorious for not being to smart. 😂😂😂. Honestly warren, you come out with some of the best quotes. Always make me laugh.😊
More reasons to why Warren is simply the best.
Warren has ZERO filter., “this guy isn’t known for being sharp” lol , I’m dead😂
That rig has been beat, but not to death as long as Warren comes to the rescue. I hope these people appreciate the work you do on site, in all different weather, and know what you're doing. You can't find as many good mechanics as there used to be, and the amount of work you do, and the hour's you put in to get people going again you just don't see that to much. Thanks for putting out so many video's after the break you took, because you have helped me with thing's i do, and i appreciate your time.
G-d bless.
That is a strange design especially using such light gauge metal. I think that requires a substantial rebuild as you say. Great work getting it mobile again.
Looks like a pretty week spot on that rake
100% that steel is so stressed and fatigued you're correct on saying most of the main tube needs to be replaced. The engineers design it and then it's up to the "Field Mechanic" to make it work!
It is the bean counters! Engineers use design margin to avoid failures. Then they are ordered to give a limited life to save 1% cost!
Ha number 1, hey Warren. Some fine field fix there. Get it back to the shop and scab it together. Then they can arrange for you to fix it right after the season is over. Thanks much for the video my friend.
Thank you for the video Warren, 👍 if I broke that I would of had my ass chewed and wouldn't hear the last of this from everyone while someone else that's keeps braking wouldn't.
Maybe Putting a Square Tube on the Inside Might Help...
My thoughts exactly.
definitely needs internal reenforcing!
I was thinking weld first, then square tube on the outside like a long sleeve. Some here mentioned steel so stressed and fatigued it needs to be replaced.
Waren it always entertaining to hear your thoughts and amazing to see you work! 😊
Thank you for the video
I see you have your turd polishing compound in full use today
Looks good, lots of welding on that one. Thanks for the video
I do this kind of job in italy. The frame is too thin and need to reinforce this weak area. Before lifting the broken part i usually clean the crack so the 2 pieces match better.👍
Great video Warren, thx for sharing ,safe travels
Warren your crane should have come with another block, where you can double your line up, I can tell it’s an IMT but I can’t see if it’s a 3820? I know it has to be about a 2000 model? Around 2005 or 2006 they would have been wireless on a rig as nice as yours., if you look on eBay there is a “Kartech” retrofit kit that will upgrade you to wireless, with a backup wire , in case you have dead battery, or on a job site that does not permit wireless, I think that’s mostly around blasting?? But I run mine in double line pretty much permanently, and it moves plenty fast enough., both on my “proportional” and “non proportional” units, which is when you can control speed with the trigger., the non proportional are just on or off., one speed.. , another thing you can do, to get a little more out of assuming you use your head, every function on the crane has a spring and a ball, that allow too much pressure to overcome the spring and bypass the fluid instead of lifting the load, in my experience the springs become fatigued over time, and require you to throw a hydraulic pressure gauge on there and tighten up those springs, or replace them outright.. don’t pin them closed or it may look like the rake .lol but there is a imt tech support that has been awesome to me., and they will give you procedures to dial it in properly..
It's harvest time. Time for some zip-ties and JB Weld, and maybe a few ratchet straps. Then finish this year's harvest and park it until you need it next year. Prepare to be surprised next year when you find it still busted! In the meantime, out of sight, out of mind. Remember Farmer Logic: Expenses delayed are money made. 😜😜😜😜😜
That box steel is not even quarter inch,,,,Should be half inch from factory,,These company's really are making crap today,,
I agree also they drive like they stole it across bumpy ground no respect for the kit. It’s the same here where i work. But yes metal is way too thin.
Farm equipment is more expensive than ever and also very poor quality now.
@nightstorm9128 That's overkill. What was there is a long way from 1/4-inch tubing. Half-inch tubing would be a ridiculous amount of added weight. I had to weld tubing of similar looking thickness years ago on a Kershaw Tie Injector for the railroad. I was pretty surprised when i saw how thick the tubing was, and it looked to be the same thickness as this. I assumed it would be thicker as well, but i welded it up, and it was fine the rest of the season. 1800 to over 2000 railroad ties a shift so that arm moved in and out twice per tie ramming it in the ballast under the rails
@@henrydillard6217 Same as everything else. All value engineered to crap. A fridge won't even last 5-10 years and the fridge my mother had when she was a kid was still working when my grandparents passed. 60 years later. Still in my uncles barn keeping drinks cold.
@@KStewart-th4skoverkill better than shit snapping in half 😂
Engineers don't understand how equipment is used. As long as it looks pretty on their computer in their air-conditioned office. Great video.
A lot of it isn't just the engineers... it's the idiots that think the older equipment needs to be ran like the newer equipment which is designed to be ran faster and in rough terrain. This rake is beat and honestly, should be replaced with a merger. This style of rake is junk and has been such even straight from the factory.
I believe you are right in your thinking about cutting that main arm completely out and starting over with heavier walled tube and/or a truss type piece under to help that issue out. Good luck with it, be interested in how you end up repairing it, thanks for the update, enjoyed watching.
Strong work. Send it to a local welding shop and let them fix it,.you did your part already 👍👍👍
Repair videos my favorite
Nice work Warren 👍
Flimsy construction to start.
and bad design.
@@kevinhornbuckle Recycled metal too.
Great video Warren looks like you have your work cut out for you reweld reinforcing the neck of that rake. Thanks for sharing stay safe Warren.
Warren,wow,that’s different,never seen a rake as this before,I’m certain Warren you will make the best,see ya on the next one.
Hello Sir! Another Day above ground! Well done! Hope you have many more!
Another awesome vid!
The rake wasn't built sturdy enough for the people that are using it. Maybe we will get to see You re-engineer it some day. Thanks again Warren and Best Wishes to You and Your Family....
@@richardlincoln8438 Hello, Mr George?
Seems like a bunch of stress on that area, add rough fields and high speeds, it’s amazing it held together. Finding a company that could roll some heavy square tubing might be hard to find. Could you shove some heavy tubing inside the original tubing and plug welding the heck out of it?? I swear you could give some people a steel ball bearing, come back in 5 minutes and they would have the stuffing ripped out of it. Thanks for the videos, Warren.
I have a Vermeer 2800 it’s bounced over allot hay ground and that has never happened to it. Heavier frame they need to trade that rake in and get a vermeer rake 👍🏻
Nice job Warren shinning up a turd in the field
Thanks for the share Warren!
Crazy design. Is this common for these types of emplements. I guess stress found the weakest spot again. Your dogs must be the luckiest dogs around getting to go with you and explore like dogs need to do. Good for you too Warren thanks for the videos.
Pumping the videos out like a factory. Awesome
I grew up knowing is as Air Arc. My dad called it that too. He was a welder. I happened to google the company recently to get replacement parts for the stinger my dad handed down to me and it’s called Arc Air! It’s reversed. 😂 I couldn’t believe it.
Well Arc Air is a brand name. I did it in the shop as well, although i was a mechanic, and not a full-time welder. All our welders called it Air Arcing too. Air Arc are not the only manufacturers of air carbon arc gouging equipment.
We call them air gougers in Australia.
This guy notorious for not being too sharp …. Well put lol
Hey, just curious if your Crane normally uses a block to run Two part line? My crane can use single part or double depending how heavy you need to lift. Or does yours lift full capacity with single part?
Evening Warren. Kindest regards,Bill 🇨🇦🇨🇦
It a pivot track in road gear. Warren thanks for sharing.
I wonder what type of hitch set up is used there. It could be that they not just pulling it but also get the weight of the tractor on the implement
Under built for sure warren maybe another piece of heavy tubing inside would hold the two together better
Tubing looks like paper . Polishing a turd, still a turd. Thanks Warren
Looking good there Warren! Hopefully you enjoyed the krispy kreme donuts I left at your shop about a month ago in the green pickup
Man this was a good video I like welding content!
Piece of equipment that has exceeded its life span.. That steel is tired and will keep breaking as many times as you patch it.
"A bit scary"!. You can say that again, I was scared for ya mate.
Just asking, but is there some way to span part of that arc with a gusset to strengthen it? Or would it get in the way of its operation. Love your vidios Warren.
The large square tubular frame structure reminds me of a Border TV Show, where a semi was crossing the border from Mexico to the US, with a green large square frame structure with wheels. They ran the truck through X-Ray, and saw anomalies inside. They cut the ends off the square tubes, and found metal boxes inside. Once they emptied the structure out, they cut a metal box open. Each box contained compressed marijuana.
I know you seen my cousins channell. IC WELD. I am not saying you are not a good welder. Just referring that Isaac is a great resource and is always willing to help. I always ask when for outside input. Isaac and my Cousin Jimmy who is a pipeline welder saved us allot of time and money. We call them the Goal keepers of metal. We are Dairyman. we will screw shit up.
A wise man once told me, "it all pays the same".
I had a gehl 12ft swing tongue sickle haybine if i hit ruts head on tongue would flex but never snapped there was large/thick factory plate welded back at the pivot haybine is designed if one wheel gets hung up in a rut the hydraulic ram "lets go" on the pressure
Sleeve it. Put some square tubing inside
That impressive
Was it used on pivots? Good luck crossing wheel tracks with that
Warren said on another comment the guy hit a power pole the day before 😂
@@gregshearer423 oh that would do it too
Do you go out looking for the most fun jobs to do?
That hitch frame would have suffered lots of stress over the years.
Thanks for the vidios Warren. cheers.
Hey sir just suggestion if take a plate slide inside bot sides drill holes so you can weld like plug holes but with the plate in back then your crack weld that up with both front halfs and rear halfs wyo tech calls it butt weld with backing, way looks there lot of pressure on that seem
Pretty dumb design, needs same size tube welded to it to make it a truss(well I Made the comment before 19:08 the. You said exactly what I was thinking so never mind you got it all figured
Looks like it is going to need a lot more support around that bend area 😮.
Do they reverse with it on .then that could put a lot of strain on it .
Thanks Warren!
I bet it's the side loading (jerking) that's starting the tear.
Engineered to break ? It will break again ! I think I would add small "I-Beams" on 3 sides .
Are other ones breaking in the same place? Does not look like great design, lot of force focused in a small spot. Definitely a case for redesign?
What did he do? Did you run the tractor tires up into the frame?
What the year on that piece of equipment it’s not like it’s a hundred years old it was,,,,, it would still be working.
That’s a poorly made piece of machinery anyway but do what you can do with it. The material is thin,,,,, terrible,terrible,terrible. The tractor is supposed to pull all that weight with that little bitty steel to run with?
Revisit it, add bracing like underneath from the bend, one brace on each side to y” it to each side it doesn’t look like that’s going last long either. Ya that would work. I’m so smart 😂… 😂😂😂🎉 that material is so thin for the way it pulls the machine
Could you fit a smaller box section inside the cracked one? You might bolt this in + a few wields and then fit and wield the outer tube as outlined.
That tube might suffer severe bending moments.
I’d prolly just scrap that arch piece. Make a kind of “Z” shape hitch but make the vertical piece 90 degrees & square to the horizontal portions (rake & drawbar). Then put in a couple 45 degree pieces to make two triangles out of the “Z”. Clear as mud? Lol
Course I don’t know how it folds up. May not fold up right….
Hi was wondering if you ever been to Bristol for the race
Always , double eye protection is the go , recommended Health and Work place Safety , stay safe , cheers
Safety 3rd
Good job . Looked difficult to get it lined up and leveled out. Just wondering why you didn't put a lenth of square tube inside of it ? Slip both ends on weild it and plate it on the outside.
Because I am a 100 miles from the place to get steel, and you missed the entire point was to get it out of the field so they could bale
@@westerntruckandtractorrepa1353 wow . I new you traveled but didn't realize you where that far out in the bush !
Nice
That's a pretty weak part of the design. More gusseting like you're talking about and possibly some on the sides to take some of the pressure off the junction would definitely help. We're still digging out from hurricane Helene. Our internet just came back on. Thanks Warren!
Weak construction, support underneath reduces metal stress. Would attach two legs underneath to reduce twisting. 💪
Weldfest! Got er done!!!
All the professional welders here, let us know everything that Warren's doing wrong.
What are those ranchers and farmers going to do if something serious should happen to you, or even, you should decide that the rocking chair is a better option? Around here in the east, hardly anyone can get equipment repaired correctly. Heck, a lot of small farmers are buying up good, old 1970 s tractors for a backup in case of emergencies because they have get their crops in.
Why were the baskets out straight? Was it from the crash or just an optical illusion from the camera angle?
I bet a pivot rut contributed to that.
He hit a power pole the day before
Big classic😂
A length of box iron inside might help good good vid
Real life is the best life..just like yer vids
There should be a truss structure on bottom, inside of that bend.
Icweld had an old dirty strap snap. Be careful.
some guys could screw up a anvil knew a guy back when i called mr. abuse..
Every arch needs a truss
It doesn't look like the greatest design. All that weight and stress on that one joint?
Anybody else wait for it to finish breaking in half as it winched up? Yikes some serious pucker factor.
No other 1/2" plates to strengthen this Warren?
Good job on the repair again. That thing is a crap design! Like it's designed to fail. Needs some heavier steel and waaay better bracing. And an operator who's keeps an eye on whats happening wouldn't hurt either.
Tell them guys to slow down!!!!
That looks to be a very poorly designed bit of equipment. Must be huge stress on that section beam, no wonder it broke, couple that with a slow operator that may be a bit rough
What’s for lunch?
Cool 😎
That whole piece needs to be replaced. The design is crap ,made worse by the thin metal of the material. No matter how you weld it, it will continually break.And the length of the arc does not lend itself to a proper brace.
To bad tou didn't have a foundation support to maybe put underneath it
Warren, I never see anybody helping you. Is that your preference? If I was a farmer under pressure i would be doing everything possible to get my equipment back to work asap.
That farmer was probably working in other fields hurrying get harvests done as Warren was actually doing this.
Sometimes it is better for a farmer not to help because they always want it done different
happens when you rake in high gear
That is the most piss poor design I have ever seen. For a piece of equipment.
That whole rig is flaky. Thin wall tubing obviously can't handle the stress and the length of the arm is way too much to take the beating. Farming equipment has to be rugged. This thing ain't.. Hate to be captain obvious but beefing it up in that place will expose another weak spot somewhere else for sure.
I know farmers have to work around the clock to meet their deadlines for crop planting and harvesting, but this fella needs to slow down just a bit. Equipment break downs aren't going to help him any.
That rake is of such poor design and construction needed to be much heavier gauge box section looked good in dealers yard but not rugged enough thanks for video Warren you definitely get some interesting jobs