Until the bench plays better, what choice does thibbs have... He is stuck between a rock and a hard place.. The knicks are the 3rd seed and are in a better situation than we have been in a long time... lgk!!!
Needs to expand the rotation too. At least let us see 10. Or play 4 off the bench significant minutes. But a change is needed. They don't have to say they are tired. We can see it.
We don’t know until we see them play. I don’t believe every team Thibs coached had bad bench. That’s not a coincidence. It’s intentionally Thibs M.O. he doesn’t understand, load management- how to manage his roster or expand his playbook.
We can't listen to the players what else is Kat supposed to say that's not his place to criticize his coach Thibodeau is not doing a smart thing especially when you have teams like the cavs playing 11 players and the players the cavs are playing are not superstars and they are having a ball enjoying the game of basketball so I'm not trying to hear that
Duece has a hamstring injury. Brunson sore knee. Kat was limping last night. Hart got both knees wrapped and covered in pads. When someone suffers a serious injury the Players and Podcaster that said the minutes don't matter and the bench don't matter better not make any excuses for the Knicks loss.
This is why it's important to speak on both sides. I'm glad you see that as well. We can't expect the starters to do this every night. They'll never complain but they shouldn't be put in a situation where they have too.
We ain't a real contender until we have a solid bench. This year we have no realistic chance at winning a title but we will definitely make it interesting. I believe next season we will build a nice bench and compete for a championship.
Troy. I get what you are saying about waiting for the players to come back and developing the roster. 100$ agree, but Deuce Mcbribe said to Hulk, "DO NOT WASTE THE MINUTES!" Thats how Deuce is in the rotation now. The bench that i saw yesterday looked like to me even with the g-league development wasted it in my opinion. now we may disagree on it, i've been an advocate for tyler to come off the bench and he will at somepoint but i just didn't feel he made the minutes worth it. The way i see it, if the players don't have an issue playing and an issue with thibs. Then there is no problem.
Appreciate your comments like always Michael! Players will never complain about minutes. Doesn't mean that we can't protect them from themselves. It's never an issue until it is. Thanks again for watching!
More minutes policing Troy. That's the best you got? The bench ain't there and will cost us games. Hopefully before the trade deadline we can get someone but we may have to wait. We need Mitch and Duece back. This will change, just gotta be patient. Even with all that ya'll say they're at the top of the east. What do you suggest? Don't you remember that Deuce had to pay his dues. So will Kolek, Dadiet, and Hukporti. Suck it up. Thibs ain't changing nor should he. There's no complaining when they win.
I've been consistent with my feelings on the minutes. You need a developed bench as much as you need a developed starting 5. We cannot expect to stay in every game with the starters carrying the entire scoring load. It cannot work. It's not sustainable. That team has shown to be tired late in games. We've all seen it. Rest players and utilize the bench more. Everyone wins. Expand the rotation, can't say it won't work until we try it.
Thanks bro great great great great show hearing your point of view on the non utilization of the bench was phenomenal I couldn't have came up with better words myself very excellent facts, as far as L. Ball tho he's an exciting player like a Magic Curry McGrady AI mix not saying he's great as them just a mix and that's just from observing a few highlights I think he has his own lane and the people like him and if the numbers (stats) don't line up then I agree idk cause idk all that, good show, NY KNICKS !!!
When you go to a job, you have to learn and do it. If the bench don’t get to play how they get better? Thibs need to see that so the players can play to get better to earn his trust. If seldom use and it’s right there in front of his face he is wasting talent and his coaching status. Put this in his head, if he hires an assistant and he don’t use them or teach them then they will always be undeveloped. Thibs needs to use all the organizations resources
I'm part of the minutes police and all I can say is that if they have a key player with a season ending injury he will have some lame excuse for another lost season. Don't want that to happen, but at the minutes rate the starters are putting in it's bound to happen. They need a bench that can contribute when the starters need rest. I don't know how many more seasons we will have to put up with this stubborn coach and his refusal to utilize his bench players. As for Lamelo Ball at#1, I agree that he should not even be there in the voting. It's total popularity voting and truthfully the voting has become a joke. Use to be the all stars were voted in as the best to start and then the subs voted in.
Against the raptors 3rd stringers our bench scored zero points had 3 turnovers to close out the game. Give it time, mcbride is coming back, so is mitch. The current players on the bench cannot manage minutes in an nba game. They are worst in bench the league statistically. Coach knows what he has on this roster.
I agree our bench ain't bad they just don't get mins, and it's about consistency if they don't play 3 games or 10 mins in 3 games it's hard to contribute and be effective off the bench..
Definitely agree here. Not saying our bench is otherworldly. But we don't really know how it all looks. We play 2-3 starters with the bench. Never really seen the full bench. You can't look at garbage time and use that to evaluate talent. Appreciate your comment!
@JohnDaDon12 yeah but you can't build rhythm in garage time that's just not how it works.. opposing teams bench usually in mins before ours enter they already warmed up and in rhythm cause they been playing..
It’s up to Thibs to speak up to Leon. Thibs see this on tape and needs to address size. He is not adjusting when he has the available players on bench to counter. Probably he does not want to alienate starters by over playing bench
The biggest thing we need is a backup defensive juggernaut That also at the very least is an offensive threat... Makes me nuts Huk didn't start getting minutes with all the starters from the very beginning... We could have exactly what we need already sitting on the bench and Tibbs is just too stubborn
Also, stop doing the slow lazy inefficient pick and roll with Kat, it doesn't work Tibbs!! They just double JB and Kat doesn't either roll into his eye line to get rid of it or stand right on the three-point line where Brunson can kick it behind him for a wide open three... I just feel like we are nowhere near our potential for the assets we have, I just don't love the offensive and defensive schemes... Were better than what we've seen on paper by a lot
@TheKnicksRecap oh I hear you, just wish he gave all Sims minutes to Huk instead... Just my opinion but I feel like his growth from the start of the season would have been more than Sims over 3 years...
I'm with KAT because Thibs is preparing for the playoffs when he intends to play his starters heavy minutes. The best way for Thibs to condition his starters to play 40 minutes in the playoffs is by them playing them heavy minutes during the regular season. It's only logical that if Thibs doesn't condition his players by playing them heavy minutes during the regular season, chances are they wouldn't be conditioned to play 40 minutes in the playoffs.
@@TheKnicksRecap The short answer is NO! You only need your bench players to win in the playoffs if: [1] Your starters are in foul trouble or [2] Your starters are injured or [3] Your starters aren't conditioned to play heavy minutes. Just look at the last 4 NBA Champions, and the amount of minutes they played their 5 best players in the NBA Finals. The 2024 NBA Champions Boston Celtics played 5 players 30+ minutes a game in the 2024 NBA Finals. The 2023 NBA Champions Denver Nuggets played 4 players, 34.1+ minutes, and a 5th player, 29.4 minutes a game in the 2023 NBA Finals. The 2022 NBA Champions Golden State Worriors played 4 players, 36.2+ minutes, and a 5th player 20.8 minutes a game in the 2022 NBA Finals. The 2021 NBA Champions Milwaukee Bucks played 5 players 30+ minutes a game in the 2021 NBA Finals.
@@TheKnicksRecap In order to win in the playoffs the roll of your bench players is to be effective and impactful in very limited and inconsistent minutes from game to game. Thibs would be in a better position to assess how impactful and effective his bench players would be in limited and inconsistent minutes in the playoffs by see how effective and impactful they are with limited and inconsistent minutes during the regular season. To be more precise, look at the exact number of minutes played by the starters of the last 4 NBA Champions. The 2024 NBA Champions Boston Celtics played their 5 best players 40.2, 38.5, 37.8, 36.7 and 30.0 minutes a game in the 2024 NBA Finals. The 2023 NBA Champions Denver Nuggets played their 5 best players 42.3, 41.1, 35.7, 34.1 and 29.4 minutes a game in the 2023 NBA Finals. The 2022 NBA Champions Golden State Warriors played their 5 best players 39.2, 38.4, 37.6, 36.2 and 21.7 minutes a game in the 2022 NBA Finals. The 2021 NBA Champions Milwaukee Bucks played their 5 best players 42.4, 41.7, 39.8, 31.3 and 30.0 minutes a game in the 2021 NBA Finals.
@@TheKnicksRecap Having given it more thought, there are 2 additional situations you may need your bench to win in the playoff. [1] Where one or more of your starters are having an off night or [2] Where you need a specialist to address a particular situation, e.g. a 3 point sniper, an elite perimeter defender or an elite rim protector.
We seen this before.. FIRST KAT... I AM A FAN, NY BASKETBALL IS BETTER . simply because of the trade that brought you here.. So thank you..But we've seen this for TWO post season. over playing starters, UNDER PLAYING the bench. Limping into the post season, getting beat badly in the second round, by teams LESS THAN US in talent skill set and ability. I respect the fact you speak proudly on the team. On the coach. It speaks volumes of your good dedicated nature. We are not gonna win until we develop the talent on the bench. BEST OF LUCK N.Y be well BE WINNERS
Appreciate the comment and support! Thank you for being objective here. We can love this team and be critical. Often times, you are most critical to things you care about the most.
Troy, I think we need to stop the narrative that thibs doesn’t develop players. Rookies: Grimes, Mitch, IQ, Deuce, RJ. All players that can contribute to a Championship team. Developed under thibs and desired by other teams. Vets: IHart, Randle, Brunson, Precious, Hart, Donte all took massive leaps or had the best professional seasons under thibs. We need to stop disrespecting Thibs just because we have an issue with minutes.
I didn't say he doesn't develop players. I said he's not developing our bench. This is a fact. Our bench is one of the worst in the league. He has others he could play but refuses. The reason I spoke on some of his accolades before mentioning any criticism is to highlight the good AND bad someone can provide. The narrative currently is he runs his players into the ground. Given the minutes workload and the time showing fatigue, he needs to be the one to kill that narrative.
@ I see your point. The point I’m trying to make is thibs has showed over and over again, if a player is worth developing, he will invest himself. But Reddish, Both Toppin bros, keels etc. never showed they are willing to leave it all out in the floor. You don’t have heart/dawg in you, you’re not playing. I can’t blame thibs for that. Where was the effort in the final 3 minutes against TOR? 3 minutes is a legit opportunity and they completely squandered it. They put in zero effort
The Knicks set Towns against Orlando and guess what they lost. Playing the bench extra minutes could cost the Knicks. The Knicks cannot risk going lower than the third seed. Management got to work and getting some scoring for the bench. Also the Knicks need another big man.
"Rebellion" against HC Thibs? Hell🔥 Yeah! Knicks starters are unnecessarily overworked, they don't like it. The Knicks starters are not alone in their "protest", NY Knicks Fans are supporting their starters "1 Billion% "☝️. HC Thibs either start using his bench players more or be "Fired".☠️
😅 what job I never saw him win anything since he started. Kat please only thing that can happened is one of yall get hurt. Ask d rose. Use the bench tibs dam😢
I don't think you are being fair or accurate about last year's injuries and our bench play. Randle, OG and Mitch injuries were notminutes related. Our bench players Hartenstein, de Vincenzo, McBride and precious were fantastic. We are not saying to not point out when something is wrong, I am saying you are mixing up minutes with causality of injury and second string players starting does not make them first string. They are still the bench
Minutes and heavy workload contributes to injuries. We were heavily injured last year due to a number of reasons. But minutes played was an issue last year though not as bad this time around. We used more of the players off the bench than we are doing now. Even with that, it was 9 mainly. The point is, you can not be healthy and still add bodies to the lineup.
Is HC Thibs an elite NBA coach? An elite NBA coach with his coaches has trained both sides (the starters and the bench players). Never one-sided. A complete championship team. HC Thibs is not in the same level as Steve Kerr, Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, Chuck Daly, and Red Hotzman. HC Thibs needed to chance his coaching style to save his job
I wanted to see the bench out there too. Until I saw the bench out there last game.. they made booshay.. idk how to spell his name, look like he was the man.
I was gonna IGNORE the BALL comments... but let me add this. Luka Dončić, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, and Stephen Curry. brunson, Devin Booker, and Ja Morant. EVEN MORE SO, Tyrese Maxey, Kyrie Irving, Fred VanVleet, Derrick White, Coby White, Desmond Bane, and Jamal Murray. with said... I will not entertain social media fans outside of the nba LOVE YOUR VIDS
What dose win or getting the job done look like to town's.do it look like getting to the playoffs get out of two series then ur ass get sent home.or winning it all because ur team gets the rest y'all need with in the regular season so you can compete in the playoffs to win it all.
I can't stand this not playing the bench enuff, give some dudes a chance. Cam Payne is straight garbage, he rather look for his shot than Let other players touch the ball. He should stay on the bench.
This is a complete non issue, you don't think if we had anyone worth a damn he wouldn't play them, name one other coach that would give a loser like Jericho Sims so many chances
Probably means whenever he goes, the team starts to win. However, I definitely understand your point too. What's regular season wins without a championship to hold your hat on after the year.
with all due respect, you not a coach... if he trusted the bench they would play, thibs came in and changed the whole culture of the team. with how decorated of a coach he is, and what he has done for this team is something no coach in the last decade plus has been able to do. at times i wonder why he doesn't play the bench like you would like to see, but there is a reason.. just know that. what we might not see in our eyes you gotta TRUST THAT THIBS DOES. new york is now somewhere where its appealing for talent to come now and we are competitive in every way. trust in thibs. trust in the front office, because they have been trash before thibs was here. and all due respect as well. lamelo deserves number one. look at the numbers, they dont lie.... lamelo is hooping this year, you can deny it. dont be bias! its fucking hard not to be especially when we are such die hard knicks fans. its easier said than done. LETS GO KNICKS!!! JALEN STAND UP AND START PLAYING LIKE THE BRUNSON WE KNOW! UNTIL THEN YOU WONT OUT BEAT BALL IN THE VOTING!!! YOU GOTTA PLAY BETTER !!!!
No one being biased fam. He can be ballin, a lot of players are ballin. He can be an all-star. But number 1? That's crazy. No one saying he's not nice. But over JB & DM? No way IMO.
@@TheKnicksRecap I'm a die hard knicks fan, Brunson is putting himself below the level he should be at. he should be number 1 i truly believe that.. but he has to play BRUNSON basketball. he's not shooting great and his numbers scoring wise have reflected that. he gets my vote every day. but if he wants everyone's votes, he's gotta pick up his game. he can do it, just gotta push through it. every night LaMelo putting up BIG numbers. and he's entertaining to watch. so he's gonna automatically get the vote from the average basketball fan... but if Jalen was out there scoring 25-30 night in night out it wouldn't even be a question.. and we GOTTA stop losing games to mid level teams... we gotta beat OKC tm and make a statement, WE GOTTA BEAT THE TOP TEAMS. we deserve to be here, we gotta PROVE IT. LETS GO KNICKS
Like I said before, if he uses the bench more at the cost of losing a few games, you “experts” will blame it on him and call for his head, he cannot win… In the meantime, when we were on a winning streak, nobody cared about the minutes, some people always find something to bitch and moan about….
I love how you always give credit to the reporter. That’s how you show love to these important occupations in the sports ecosystem
I appreciate that! They are the ones that get the information to make it all possible. Need to give credit to them! Thanks for watching!
Until the bench plays better, what choice does thibbs have... He is stuck between a rock and a hard place.. The knicks are the 3rd seed and are in a better situation than we have been in a long time... lgk!!!
We’ve gotta be honest, our bench is ass. Last night alone proved it.
Needs to expand the rotation too. At least let us see 10. Or play 4 off the bench significant minutes. But a change is needed. They don't have to say they are tired. We can see it.
We don’t know until we see them play. I don’t believe every team Thibs coached had bad bench. That’s not a coincidence. It’s intentionally Thibs M.O. he doesn’t understand, load management- how to manage his roster or expand his playbook.
Bro he never plays the other bench besides Deuce Achiuwa $ Payne. Are we forgetting about Hukporti & Kolek??
@@thesportsjunkie4827 Kolek has been playing well whenever he’s in. Great facilitator.
We can't listen to the players what else is Kat supposed to say that's not his place to criticize his coach Thibodeau is not doing a smart thing especially when you have teams like the cavs playing 11 players and the players the cavs are playing are not superstars and they are having a ball enjoying the game of basketball so I'm not trying to hear that
Well said 👍
That's right 👍
lmaooo your a damn fan get over it
That's why I mentioned you need to look at both sides of it. Look at the positives but call out the negatives. Appreciate the comment!
It’s a tricky situation cause the bench isn’t good enough to even maintain leads in most cases. So of course you’re gonna play heavy minutes.
We can bring in bench player with starters and would look better than garbage time like the game Hukporti played with starters and fans fell in love !
Exactly
Duece has a hamstring injury. Brunson sore knee. Kat was limping last night. Hart got both knees wrapped and covered in pads. When someone suffers a serious injury the Players and Podcaster that said the minutes don't matter and the bench don't matter better not make any excuses for the Knicks loss.
Exactly perfectly said
This is why it's important to speak on both sides. I'm glad you see that as well. We can't expect the starters to do this every night. They'll never complain but they shouldn't be put in a situation where they have too.
Agreed
We ain't a real contender until we have a solid bench. This year we have no realistic chance at winning a title but we will definitely make it interesting. I believe next season we will build a nice bench and compete for a championship.
We definitely need a bench Thibs will use. That's how we will beat the top teams. That plus minutes management. I appreciate the comment!
Troy. I get what you are saying about waiting for the players to come back and developing the roster. 100$ agree, but Deuce Mcbribe said to Hulk, "DO NOT WASTE THE MINUTES!" Thats how Deuce is in the rotation now. The bench that i saw yesterday looked like to me even with the g-league development wasted it in my opinion. now we may disagree on it, i've been an advocate for tyler to come off the bench and he will at somepoint but i just didn't feel he made the minutes worth it. The way i see it, if the players don't have an issue playing and an issue with thibs. Then there is no problem.
Appreciate your comments like always Michael! Players will never complain about minutes. Doesn't mean that we can't protect them from themselves. It's never an issue until it is. Thanks again for watching!
This is an amazing comment. Exactly how I feel, well said
Salute Troy
🫡🫡🫡 Appreciate the support Darline!
You gotta be kidding how can anyone say the bench needs to play better wake up the bench isn't playing
I mentioned the same. Can't say we have a really bad bench when they don't play together a lot.
On the Knicks you have to be ready... That's it... we didn't have to worst bench last year. JUST BE READY!!!
Bench was used more last year though.
@@TheKnicksRecap because they could play!!!
@@TheKnicksRecapwe had a better bench last year
If KAT is defending Thibs that means their relationship is better in New York than it was in Minnesota meaning we really fleeced them!!!
Definitely got better over the years too!
More minutes policing Troy. That's the best you got? The bench ain't there and will cost us games. Hopefully before the trade deadline we can get someone but we may have to wait. We need Mitch and Duece back. This will change, just gotta be patient. Even with all that ya'll say they're at the top of the east. What do you suggest? Don't you remember that Deuce had to pay his dues. So will Kolek, Dadiet, and Hukporti. Suck it up. Thibs ain't changing nor should he. There's no complaining when they win.
I've been consistent with my feelings on the minutes. You need a developed bench as much as you need a developed starting 5. We cannot expect to stay in every game with the starters carrying the entire scoring load. It cannot work. It's not sustainable. That team has shown to be tired late in games. We've all seen it. Rest players and utilize the bench more. Everyone wins. Expand the rotation, can't say it won't work until we try it.
He doesn’t have a chip as a HC.
Thanks fir calling that out hecess a assistant in Boston!
Troy I'm sick of the Knicks trade Sims and bring up TJ, Okieke and Moses Brown 🧡💙🗽‼️
Thanks bro great great great great show hearing your point of view on the non utilization of the bench was phenomenal I couldn't have came up with better words myself very excellent facts, as far as L. Ball tho he's an exciting player like a Magic Curry McGrady AI mix not saying he's great as them just a mix and that's just from observing a few highlights I think he has his own lane and the people like him and if the numbers (stats) don't line up then I agree idk cause idk all that, good show,
NY KNICKS !!!
100 on your evaluation on Thibs needs to play the bench and give them consistent minutes and them not being utilized properly
When you go to a job, you have to learn and do it. If the bench don’t get to play how they get better? Thibs need to see that so the players can play to get better to earn his trust. If seldom use and it’s right there in front of his face he is wasting talent and his coaching status. Put this in his head, if he hires an assistant and he don’t use them or teach them then they will always be undeveloped. Thibs needs to use all the organizations resources
We're in trouble
He can mix the starters with the bench
I'm part of the minutes police and all I can say is that if they have a key player with a season ending injury he will have some lame excuse for another lost season. Don't want that to happen, but at the minutes rate the starters are putting in it's bound to happen. They need a bench that can contribute when the starters need rest. I don't know how many more seasons we will have to put up with this stubborn coach and his refusal to utilize his bench players. As for Lamelo Ball at#1, I agree that he should not even be there in the voting. It's total popularity voting and truthfully the voting has become a joke. Use to be the all stars were voted in as the best to start and then the subs voted in.
Against the raptors 3rd stringers our bench scored zero points had 3 turnovers to close out the game.
Give it time, mcbride is coming back, so is mitch. The current players on the bench cannot manage minutes in an nba game. They are worst in bench the league statistically.
Coach knows what he has on this roster.
I agree. And this isn’t the first blowout where the bench comes in and u get 3 straight turnovers, 0 points and some bum goes off on them. 🤷🏿
I agree our bench ain't bad they just don't get mins, and it's about consistency if they don't play 3 games or 10 mins in 3 games it's hard to contribute and be effective off the bench..
What happened last night when we were up 25 with 4 minutes left when the starters went out?? And that wasn’t the first time.
lol there horrible
Definitely agree here. Not saying our bench is otherworldly. But we don't really know how it all looks. We play 2-3 starters with the bench. Never really seen the full bench. You can't look at garbage time and use that to evaluate talent. Appreciate your comment!
@JohnDaDon12 yeah but you can't build rhythm in garage time that's just not how it works.. opposing teams bench usually in mins before ours enter they already warmed up and in rhythm cause they been playing..
We have one of the shortest rosters in the league. This team has 6 players 6'4 and under. Precious and Sims are small centers.
It’s up to Thibs to speak up to Leon. Thibs see this on tape and needs to address size. He is not adjusting when he has the available players on bench to counter. Probably he does not want to alienate starters by over playing bench
They can't bring up all 3 unfortunately. But I understand wanting to use talent from the G-League. I've been saying pretty much the same.
The biggest thing we need is a backup defensive juggernaut That also at the very least is an offensive threat... Makes me nuts Huk didn't start getting minutes with all the starters from the very beginning... We could have exactly what we need already sitting on the bench and Tibbs is just too stubborn
Also, stop doing the slow lazy inefficient pick and roll with Kat, it doesn't work Tibbs!! They just double JB and Kat doesn't either roll into his eye line to get rid of it or stand right on the three-point line where Brunson can kick it behind him for a wide open three... I just feel like we are nowhere near our potential for the assets we have, I just don't love the offensive and defensive schemes... Were better than what we've seen on paper by a lot
Hard to get that honestly. With the assets we have right now. But using Hukporti, important for both us and his development.
@TheKnicksRecap oh I hear you, just wish he gave all Sims minutes to Huk instead... Just my opinion but I feel like his growth from the start of the season would have been more than Sims over 3 years...
If minutes don't matter then why do teams LOAD MANAGE?
I'm with KAT because Thibs is preparing for the playoffs when he intends to play his starters heavy minutes. The best way for Thibs to condition his starters to play 40 minutes in the playoffs is by them playing them heavy minutes during the regular season.
It's only logical that if Thibs doesn't condition his players by playing them heavy minutes during the regular season, chances are they wouldn't be conditioned to play 40 minutes in the playoffs.
What about a bench? You don't need a developed bench to win in the postseason?
@@TheKnicksRecap The short answer is NO! You only need your bench players to win in the playoffs if:
[1] Your starters are in foul trouble or [2] Your starters are injured or [3] Your starters aren't conditioned to play heavy minutes. Just look at the last 4 NBA Champions, and the amount of minutes they played their 5 best players in the NBA Finals.
The 2024 NBA Champions Boston Celtics played 5 players 30+ minutes a game in the 2024 NBA Finals.
The 2023 NBA Champions Denver Nuggets played 4 players, 34.1+ minutes, and a 5th player, 29.4 minutes a game in the 2023 NBA Finals.
The 2022 NBA Champions Golden State Worriors played 4 players, 36.2+ minutes, and a 5th player 20.8 minutes a game in the 2022 NBA Finals.
The 2021 NBA Champions Milwaukee Bucks played 5 players 30+ minutes a game in the 2021 NBA Finals.
@@TheKnicksRecap In order to win in the playoffs the roll of your bench players is to be effective and impactful in very limited and inconsistent minutes from game to game. Thibs would be in a better position to assess how impactful and effective his bench players would be in limited and inconsistent minutes in the playoffs by see how effective and impactful they are with limited and inconsistent minutes during the regular season.
To be more precise, look at the exact number of minutes played by the starters of the last 4 NBA Champions.
The 2024 NBA Champions Boston Celtics played their 5 best players 40.2, 38.5, 37.8, 36.7 and 30.0 minutes a game in the 2024 NBA Finals.
The 2023 NBA Champions Denver Nuggets played their 5 best players 42.3, 41.1, 35.7, 34.1 and 29.4 minutes a game in the 2023 NBA Finals.
The 2022 NBA Champions Golden State Warriors played their 5 best players 39.2, 38.4, 37.6, 36.2 and 21.7 minutes a game in the 2022 NBA Finals.
The 2021 NBA Champions Milwaukee Bucks played their 5 best players 42.4, 41.7, 39.8, 31.3 and 30.0 minutes a game in the 2021 NBA Finals.
@@TheKnicksRecap Having given it more thought, there are 2 additional situations you may need your bench to win in the playoff. [1] Where one or more of your starters are having an off night or [2] Where you need a specialist to address a particular situation, e.g. a 3 point sniper, an elite perimeter defender or an elite rim protector.
Starters should only play abt 35 min per game
which they fucking do
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KATT IS CAPPIN!! 😂 I understand the politics of it all though. I don’t blame him for lying!! 😅😩
We seen this before.. FIRST KAT... I AM A FAN, NY BASKETBALL IS BETTER . simply because of the trade that brought you here.. So thank you..But we've seen this for TWO post season. over playing starters, UNDER PLAYING the bench. Limping into the post season, getting beat badly in the second round, by teams LESS THAN US in talent skill set and ability. I respect the fact you speak proudly on the team. On the coach. It speaks volumes of your good dedicated nature. We are not gonna win until we develop the talent on the bench. BEST OF LUCK N.Y be well BE WINNERS
Appreciate the comment and support! Thank you for being objective here. We can love this team and be critical. Often times, you are most critical to things you care about the most.
Troy, I think we need to stop the narrative that thibs doesn’t develop players.
Rookies: Grimes, Mitch, IQ, Deuce, RJ. All players that can contribute to a Championship team. Developed under thibs and desired by other teams.
Vets: IHart, Randle, Brunson, Precious, Hart, Donte all took massive leaps or had the best professional seasons under thibs.
We need to stop disrespecting Thibs just because we have an issue with minutes.
I didn't say he doesn't develop players. I said he's not developing our bench. This is a fact. Our bench is one of the worst in the league. He has others he could play but refuses. The reason I spoke on some of his accolades before mentioning any criticism is to highlight the good AND bad someone can provide. The narrative currently is he runs his players into the ground. Given the minutes workload and the time showing fatigue, he needs to be the one to kill that narrative.
@ I see your point. The point I’m trying to make is thibs has showed over and over again, if a player is worth developing, he will invest himself. But Reddish, Both Toppin bros, keels etc. never showed they are willing to leave it all out in the floor. You don’t have heart/dawg in you, you’re not playing. I can’t blame thibs for that. Where was the effort in the final 3 minutes against TOR? 3 minutes is a legit opportunity and they completely squandered it. They put in zero effort
The Knicks set Towns against Orlando and guess what they lost. Playing the bench extra minutes could cost the Knicks. The Knicks cannot risk going lower than the third seed. Management got to work and getting some scoring for the bench. Also the Knicks need another big man.
"Rebellion" against HC Thibs?
Hell🔥 Yeah!
Knicks starters are unnecessarily overworked, they don't like it. The Knicks starters are not alone in their "protest", NY Knicks Fans are supporting their starters "1 Billion% "☝️.
HC Thibs either start using his bench players more or be "Fired".☠️
Amén
Knicks new new coach thats all
I hope JB starts on the Allstar Games
Same!!
He emptied his bench with under 3min remain
Up 25 😂
You know what I wish I could vote on? The Knicks finally winning a freakin championship!! Lol
They should of kept D D
Wouldn't have KAT if they did though.
😅 what job I never saw him win anything since he started. Kat please only thing that can happened is one of yall get hurt. Ask d rose. Use the bench tibs dam😢
I don't think you are being fair or accurate about last year's injuries and our bench play. Randle, OG and Mitch injuries were notminutes related. Our bench players Hartenstein, de Vincenzo, McBride and precious were fantastic. We are not saying to not point out when something is wrong, I am saying you are mixing up minutes with causality of injury and second string players starting does not make them first string. They are still the bench
Minutes and heavy workload contributes to injuries. We were heavily injured last year due to a number of reasons. But minutes played was an issue last year though not as bad this time around. We used more of the players off the bench than we are doing now. Even with that, it was 9 mainly. The point is, you can not be healthy and still add bodies to the lineup.
@ but our 3 injured starters last year were not minutes or workload related. Which injury are you referring to?
If you’re a REAL Knicks fan you know thibs ain’t the problem
He's part of the problem. But don't put qualifiers on being a Knicks fan. You a fan if you bleed orange and blue.
Is HC Thibs an elite NBA coach?
An elite NBA coach with his coaches has trained both sides (the starters and the bench players). Never one-sided. A complete championship team.
HC Thibs is not in the same level as Steve Kerr, Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, Chuck Daly, and Red Hotzman.
HC Thibs needed to chance his coaching style to save his job
Orlando Magic 😐
KAT is in New York because Tibs wanted him so of course he is going to back up the coach.
Lamelo Ball # 1??? What f ing joke
Embarrassingly hilarious. I know he has talent. But this season to be above JB or Mitchell is crazy.
I wanted to see the bench out there too. Until I saw the bench out there last game.. they made booshay.. idk how to spell his name, look like he was the man.
I get during garbage time they didn't look great. But we can't judge one game and same we can't use the bench anymore.
I was gonna IGNORE the BALL comments... but let me add this. Luka Dončić, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, and Stephen Curry. brunson, Devin Booker, and Ja Morant. EVEN MORE SO, Tyrese Maxey, Kyrie Irving, Fred VanVleet, Derrick White, Coby White, Desmond Bane, and Jamal Murray. with said... I will not entertain social media fans outside of the nba LOVE YOUR VIDS
The Knicks set Towns against Orlando and guess what they lost.
100%
What dose win or getting the job done look like to town's.do it look like getting to the playoffs get out of two series then ur ass get sent home.or winning it all because ur team gets the rest y'all need with in the regular season so you can compete in the playoffs to win it all.
The lion is brutal. He’ll snap his neck or spine and leave him there to suffer
3 game loss😂
TIBBS WILL BE TIBBS
He's done what? No playoff success as a head coach. Never
I can't stand this not playing the bench enuff, give some dudes a chance. Cam Payne is straight garbage, he rather look for his shot than Let other players touch the ball. He should stay on the bench.
This is a complete non issue, you don't think if we had anyone worth a damn he wouldn't play them, name one other coach that would give a loser like Jericho Sims so many chances
Tibbs has never won an NBA championship as a head coach so how he gets the job done!
Probably means whenever he goes, the team starts to win. However, I definitely understand your point too. What's regular season wins without a championship to hold your hat on after the year.
Sorry but Brunson not an all star this year. Too many guards better than him
Heavily disagree. He's an all-star. He's a starter IMO.
How many guards 25 points 49% shooting 39% 3s 7.8 Assists Leading a team to 3rd place ?
with all due respect, you not a coach... if he trusted the bench they would play, thibs came in and changed the whole culture of the team. with how decorated of a coach he is, and what he has done for this team is something no coach in the last decade plus has been able to do. at times i wonder why he doesn't play the bench like you would like to see, but there is a reason.. just know that. what we might not see in our eyes you gotta TRUST THAT THIBS DOES. new york is now somewhere where its appealing for talent to come now and we are competitive in every way. trust in thibs. trust in the front office, because they have been trash before thibs was here. and all due respect as well. lamelo deserves number one. look at the numbers, they dont lie.... lamelo is hooping this year, you can deny it. dont be bias! its fucking hard not to be especially when we are such die hard knicks fans. its easier said than done. LETS GO KNICKS!!! JALEN STAND UP AND START PLAYING LIKE THE BRUNSON WE KNOW! UNTIL THEN YOU WONT OUT BEAT BALL IN THE VOTING!!! YOU GOTTA PLAY BETTER !!!!
No one being biased fam. He can be ballin, a lot of players are ballin. He can be an all-star. But number 1? That's crazy. No one saying he's not nice. But over JB & DM? No way IMO.
@@TheKnicksRecap I'm a die hard knicks fan, Brunson is putting himself below the level he should be at. he should be number 1 i truly believe that.. but he has to play BRUNSON basketball. he's not shooting great and his numbers scoring wise have reflected that. he gets my vote every day. but if he wants everyone's votes, he's gotta pick up his game. he can do it, just gotta push through it. every night LaMelo putting up BIG numbers. and he's entertaining to watch. so he's gonna automatically get the vote from the average basketball fan... but if Jalen was out there scoring 25-30 night in night out it wouldn't even be a question.. and we GOTTA stop losing games to mid level teams... we gotta beat OKC tm and make a statement, WE GOTTA BEAT THE TOP TEAMS.
we deserve to be here, we gotta PROVE IT.
LETS GO KNICKS
Like I said before, if he uses the bench more at the cost of losing a few games, you “experts” will blame it on him and call for his head, he cannot win… In the meantime, when we were on a winning streak, nobody cared about the minutes, some people always find something to bitch and moan about….