Of course they are better athletes and shooters. They have the internet. They have modern supplements and medicine. They have the benefit of learning from every pro that we're currently comparing them to. They are also overpaid. Their egos are larger than ever. Curry will make twice as much from his career in the NBA as Michael Jordan, adjusted for inflation, and Curry is not Michael Jordan.
I remember seeing Joel Embid in a press conference, talking about how much he has done for this city(phily), while being payed 50 million dollars to throw a ball around. Some of these guys are so completely and utterly divorced from reality.
These guys get paid more in 48 minutes, passing/shooting a basketball, than the majority of people make in a DECADE or more! Then they try to tell us who to vote for or how we should act/think.. WE make society function, not them..
Past their primes stars in the current league don’t have the class to age gracefully like Dirk and Timmy…bunch of greedy narcissists led by the worst one of all: Lebron
Absolutely right. With the exception of Kobe I think, who was still getting paid a lot towards the end of his career. But hey, it was a mutual agreement between two parties and I wouldn't mind if I was the lakers GM. Seeing how Kobe played every game he could and not whine about injuries.
@@alphonsecatan2 the difference was Kobe was still a lockdown defender. And was still their best defender. But his PPG dropped so did his shot attempts. LeBron has not. N let's face LeBron has always been a liability on defense
Idk what players you're talking about. Most of them have actually been legitimately injured. How does that translate to missing games "because they feel like it"? What players are you talking about?
@@urbaindelva7869 the only people who believe that are young fans or delusional people. Older fans remember when players missed those games for consecutive weeks because they were legitimately injured. If you miss one game then the next night play, newsflash, you’re not injured, common sense might actually be dead.
Euro players are so much more mature. Dirk at 35 was taking paycuts so Dallas can be better. Jokic and Giannis are grateful for chance that their small market clubs gave them and are always available and loyal. Sabonis, Zubac also big professionals, never in drama.
I think it has to do with Euro basket having more emphasis on team play so they grow up prioritizing their team's success rather than individual goals like money and fame.
@@doriandenard5846 cant say much about that because I come from Europe, but I know international players never make these type of problems. Seems only domestic players do that
Sabonis was a legend and his story is incredible. I think I'm gonna rewatch his 30 for 30 from when ESPN wasn't garbage. Guy was so banged up by the end of his career that he probably had a 5 inch vertical but his timing was so good that he was still a top rebounder. He was just so fundamentally good and his court vision was unmatched, it's a shame we never saw him in his prime without all the injuries. I wish I could remember who he passed the ball to, but I will never forget one play where he was in the high post and no look backwards soccer passed the ball across the key to his teammate for a wide open layup I was a big Spurs fan in the Duncan days and seeing guys like Robinson, Paarker, Ginobili, Kerr and many others stick wiith the team for as long as they did made it more enjoyable. I still like the Spurs and some other teams I enjoyed back then but haven't followed the NBA closely at all in years. I hate the Lakers but Kobe, Shaq and many others spent a lot of time there. Steve Nash split his playing days with 2 teams for long stints (I hated the Maverricks, mostly because Mark Cuban is an A-hole but still had respect for guys like Steve and Dirk). Ben Wallace was a long term Piston, Iverson was a lifetime 76er and so many others (botth stars and role players) pre ring chasing days that it would be impossible to name them all. It all started to go downhill in that aspect when LeFraud James did the BS with Miami, then did his BS TO Miami... Players back then cared about legacy a lot more than they do now. It was probably easy to stay a Spur or a Laker or a piston for long periods of their careers back then due to the team success but even the less successful teams had long term guys, superstars included. D Wade is a legend in Miami while some Miamians would probably spit on Lefraud given the chance, 2 rings or not.
I love Pat Riley, he is old school and doesn't take bs from anybody. Never ever over pay for a 35 year old star that is acting like a diva. Just like when he put LeBron in his place back in Miami. See what happened to Lakers, when LeBron got his way, it is a circus now.
A highly profitable circus and playoff team, I don't think the lakers were totally clueless in what they were getting, plus he did get them a chip. (I am in no way downplaying the circus element LeDrama brings) from a lifelong cavs fan.
@@Justinian43Heat getting to the finals was much more impressive than a stacked Lakers winning a bubble ring. I think Pat Riley with his 9 rings will be alright.
@@Justinian43Pat Riley has won a title as a player, an assistant coach, a head coach, and executive. That's Mr. 9 time NBA champ Pat Riley who single handedly built the Heat franchise. The same Franchise LeBron had to run to in order to establish any type of legacy. So yes. Pat Riley is a genius. In fact, Pat Riley has appeared in 33% of all NBA finals in some capacity. To even insinuate he's in the wrong here is the reason NBA ratings are where they are.
@@civilwarwasaninsidejob7405First of all, LeBron's legacy was already in progress before he went to Miami. Secondly, he did not have to go to Miami to try and add to his legacy; he could have gone anywhere else to do that. Finally, Pat Riley doesn't even make the list for the ratings issue.
This is why I respect Pat Riley so much. One thing thats been plaguing the league for years now is players who want all these massive salaries, and then they up and want to force trades, and teams have to scramble and either do 3 team trades just to get rid of them, or practically give up their current and future roster just to move them because of how big that persons contract is. Or, especially because of the new CBA they make it hard to even build a team. Seen too many franchises just self destruct themselves bowing to player whims, and the front offices have no backbone, so they bend over for them and even blame the coaches. Pat not only doesnt bend to contract demands, he is one of only 2 franchises that holds their coach in high regards over player tantrums. Hell, if more franchises were owned by people like Riley, players like Ben Simmons would already be out the league. League has way too many people that want to just sit out while having big contracts right now. All this talk about ""potential", and "when healthy", needs to stop because most of the times these guys are never healthy for most of the season.
The league even said the fine was excessive. Why can’t you be upset about the direction the team is going? Would you rather him just be quiet and not express how he feels? Sounds like shut up and dribble.
ESPN literally showed LeBron’s dunk which is fueled by the fact that he’s drunk on steroids 💉and they didn’t mention that LeBron played no defense and the team lost by 20 and the other team didn’t have either of its two best players… The NBA is a total joke.
Exactly. Sports media really opened my eyes after the Nuggets won their historic first championship and got like 2secs of praise and the convo immediately pivoted to talking about "whats next for LeBron?" and the lakers were a 8th seed that year and got swept in the 1st round by...the Denver nuggets.
@ you are spot on! Think about this - the Celtics won the title - Brown MVP not on team USA, Jason Tatum barely plays - why? No one can out shine LeBiogenesis James. Then ESPN starts discrediting NBA titles for gold medals - and LeBron gets a fake MVP. Who wants to watch this shit? Calling it WWE is an insult to WWE. At least in the WWE they care to compete to put on the most entertaining matches for the fans even tho the outcome may be scripted. Also in WWE you have to actually be able to wrestle. Bronny James got more coverage than the first pick in the draft. LeBron just took competitiveness out of the NBA. He is a prototype entitled narcissist. Klutch has made the NBA media a fanboy propaganda clown show. All this and I didn’t even get to that they shoot 100 3s a game and they legislated defense out. Adam Silver after the malice at the palace - he and David Stern overreacted and wanted a safe homogenized NBA - no emotions - just bland to market and move products for sponsors. That’s what you have - a marketing gimmick designed as a sports league. every sport is about winning, the term “ring culture” was invented by LeBron and this generation that wanna crown themselves as the best without winning and making the game about padding stats and not competing. The league has lost half its audience in 10 years. It’s not politics. I am completely liberal and I can’t stand the NBA, I watch far more WNBA. Load management… The league is a joke. thanks for reading this you seem like a real fan. Hopefully we get a good league back someday.
@ I had partial season tickets to the Sixers as a kid from 98-03 - the NBA was my favorite sport. I WAS a LeBron fan early in his career. Last game I went to was Kobe’s last game in Philly. With Bum Simmons and load management - the stat padding. I miss the old NBA but this league is just a joke. I don’t expect it to go back to the 90s but this league will continue to decline if they don’t do something.
@krysis54 he's making more than 50 million a season, and he's refusing to play because of indifference within the organization. So damn the team and damn the fans? To each their own I guess, what's 2.5 million suspension when ya make bank like Jimmy? 😂
@@robotube7361 The point of history is to not repeat it. Just because other empires fell during x amount of years doesn't mean we should just bend over and accept it, either.
This is what a collapsing nation looks like. There are about a dozen metros that have wealth. The rest of the nation and its infrastructure are falling into disrepair. To make matters worse our enemies see the blood in the water. Idk when could be 5,10 or 20 years out but at some point the rest of the world we have bullied on the playground since post WW2 will tire of it and put the final nails in the coffin. If it happened today the fighting age men(gen z) would roll over faster than the French in WW2
I like butler alot but common man acting like a child, you are 35 play what u left and say goodbye, and oh God 7 games 2.35 milion and people dont have anything to eat, this world is fck
It said 7 games missed 2.53 million. If you made that for playing a game you need more?With no physical play chucking up 3s baily have to play in today's NBA still looking for more and more money This era has destroyed the league.
@shazaalala28 hes already acting liek Tyreek hill and tyreek acting like Antonio brown.... Theyre ready to throw it all away just bcuz they're not getting their way.... Like i said in recent days not past seasons
@@HoodieMelo23the team has, when healthy, been in the position to compete for championships. They’re fine Also, it’s not really possible to get star players around Jimmy when at the same time he’s asking for max level money. That most likely wouldn’t work anyways, just look at the current Suns…
We need people like Reily to step up and take the heat in the kitchen and make the right decisions and kick Butler to the curb. Others need to follow suit and pay only the players who play the whole season or set a season limit for eligiility to become a max contract player. If you dont meet that minimum you should not be in contention for such contracts PERIOD.
@@shazaalala28 HAHAH the chance of JJ Redick's coaching career or having a impact even as close to as what Pat Reily has done is very tiny almost implausible.
Seriously. There is no way a 35 yr old player should be getting a max contract. If the want to win, they take less money so a good tream can be put together. Overpaying dudes helped ruin teams.
@steveno7058 that's funny. The contracts are actually socialism not market value because of the cba. The salaries are inflated. It's based on years of service not merit. At 35 plus your paying for injury prone players. Its so bad the had to put in a minimum games played to qualify for awards. Jimmy isn't worth that money. Look at Paul George and the others basically stealing money that would help the team. This is part of the reason the league is poop. Entitled overpaid babies.
I really want to like Jimmy Butler, but he's an enigma. He didn't get paid enough when he should have, and now gets paid more than he should. It probably nets out. I'm never going to fault someone for seeking better pay, but you have to be available and perform. I'm not sure Jimmy wants to do that, and is even capable of it, so it will be interesting to see what team is going to take that gamble.
NBA needs a new commissioner. One that will return the sport back to what it was. I honestly believe that the off court stuff like this directly causes the poor show on the court. Players have been given too much power and when they are making millions it is very off putting for fans for them to throw these fits. Need someone to lead the NBA and tell the players shut up and play. If you don’t like your situation then work it out like an adult while still putting your max effort for whatever team you are on. It is a privilege to play in the NBA. They need to act like it.
Hes had his share of tantrums lol he's gone at kids when they called him westbrick. Youd hope a guy worth more then a quarter billion dollars who has thousands of people fawning over him and praising him all the time could take a insult without him acting out
The owners and commish can stop this and fix the NBA. Sitting out demanding to be traded cut him.Owners can collude and not let players do this.50 million your allowed to load management? What happened to making millions playing a game? Now their paid in college come to the league stand at the 3 and chuck up shots.The NBA shouldn't be called professional anymore. Worst era in NBA history.
0:21 Pat is saying that because in his mind I can't pay you what you are asking for because you didn't win but in Jimmy's mind he willed this team to 2 finals appearances with nothing. You can hate Jimmy all you want but he has a valid argument and he didn't bring it to the public first.
And Jimmy was paid well for both those finals appearances. He cashed the checks did he not? But this is different. You have to weigh his potential future production vs the teams future when it comes to putting money on the line, Butler may have been a great player, but his future potential gains have dwindled significantly. He’s not the player he once was, the production isn’t there, and the money he is asking for will lock up the team’s future potential acquisitions and signings with little to show for it. TL,DR: Butler is too old and unproductive for what he’s asking.
@DJSpike-ft9yw Thats cool and there's always a team out there willing to pay him. He's not wrong for chasing his money let him find it and the Heat are not wrong for not being able to match what he wants. Could it have been handled differently yes but both parties are to blame for that. Let everyone find what works for them.
Exactly,that what I keep saying. He was a role player in Chicago A cancer in Minnesota With the 76ers he dissappear in game seven vs Toronto With Miami was sweep by the Bucks once,didn't play playoffs last year,he always was inconsistent,had 45 points one game and 14 the next one.
@@antonchigur764 something else that needs to be studied is how he never even comes close to playing the full season. Which is weird because he has the title of a “dog”. How he a dog when Jayson Tatum is playing in more games than him season in and season out. And Tatum is considered soft? And it’s the coasting allegations as well.
Bam and Herro were suppose to be the guys rhat gives Jimmy help. But Bam regreesed on offense and Herro has injury problems and inconsistent on offense and doesn't play defense. Meanwhile, Jimmy doesn't take the regular season seriously so they are always fighting for a playoff spot.
You are right,Jimmy doesn’t take regular season seriously & that’s why I’ve never cared for him,he takes it easy all season & is all rested up for playoffs,that’s a bitch move
As a Heat fan, I never remotely thought he was anything like MJ. I held my breath until this day when Jimmy the Brat showed up again. They guy is a streaky #2 at best ... when he feels like playing or isn't injured. Good riddance to Jimmy the Brat. Send him to the Pelicans for Zion.
All pat did was lower his trade value they know he doesn’t want to be there and they also know if he doesn’t get traded he’s just gonna opt out😭they are not getting another star for jimmy unless they are in a similar situation
@Remmy0930 I'm really glad to here that... give props to the past, I only watch b.ball.. I'm English and I'm a Huge Football/soccer fan....thanks for the info dude🙂
@@Anthonyj-rj3ygwhile I do agree the old heads can be too stuck in the past with some things, they’re right about a lot of what they’re saying. These new school players are spoiled and entitled, wanting twice as much while doing half the work
It’s tough to face the shortcomings of a player you like, eh? Props Uncut Hoops for objectively analyzing the nuances of this great game (even for casuals like me).
The Heat were a Jayson Tatum injury away from blowing a 3-0 lead in the ECF. They were also one play-in loss away from not making the playoffs in 2023. Jimmy is great in the playoffs, but the only time they managed home-court in the playoffs during his tenure in Miami was 2022. Many thanks to Jimmy, but he doesn't get that retirement money because it will keep the Heat from building a winner, now more than ever with the East on the rise. Maybe he is not really into the "Heat Culture", because after all, he can still get a job like UD when he retires, if he plays his cards right.
I honestly see both sides have a point. Pat is correct to not pay an aging Butler if he's not committed. Butler sees a lot of bums in the NBA getting paid more than they deserve and he wants his share. The only thing I don't like is the way Butler is going about proving his point.
But Butler has gotten real ugly & muscled his way out of a franchise when he didn't get what he wants... not surprised that he's doing the same thing now. Except that team owners are hesitant because of Butler's price tag plus what they would have to give up to obtain an aging, very injury-prone star player's services...
The player's today get paid too much for throwing up bricks from the 3 point line, not playing defence, travelling and worrying about what are they gunna to with there hair.
Since Jimmy's last Finals appearance, I have felt that his success with Miami-overachievement, actually-put him in a light that he did not belong in. Hell, "Playoff Jimmy" was never a real thing until he got to Miami where there were no other players on the team clearly better than him. His limitations as a player, his injury history, his approach to the regular season, and now his age have always kept him below where he could be. I agree with Pat Riley for recognizing where Jimmy is now and not kowtowing to his demands. HOWEVER, Riley is not blameless in this at all. After every ECF or Finals appearance that Jimmy led the Heat to, Riley and the front office should have been doing their best to improve the roster around Jimmy so that their chances of winning increased; they never did that. If they did not believe that Jimmy was good enough to get the Heat anywhere, they should have either traded him a long time ago or not signed him in the first place. Riley has a history of being complacent when it comes to building or retooling a roster. Btw, D-Wade did not even ask him for much money-only $15 million-and he wouldn't even pay him that.
I agree they should have done more, but it's not as simple as looking at a player's stat sheet/scouting report, and then acquire the player, and you get to win. The only move I found questionable was getting Victor Oladipo. The Lowry trade, and then the trade for Rozier after that, only look bad in hindsight. What Riley didn't do was moving players who helped them win, and that's a two-edged sword. Should they have paid Robinson less, and risk losing him to the competition? Should they have given more for Lillard without seeing Herro's ceiling? Would getting another blue-chipper guarantee winning? Who would have thought Strus, Vincent, Highsmith, and Caleb Martin would pan out? I Mistakes were made, for sure, but we are only looking from the end-point of the decision, not the beginning.
@@willingexile3374The trades for Lowry and Rozier were not bad at the time they happened, but they were questionable given Lowry's age and decline, and Rozier's limited impact. I'll admit, they were right to not risk losing Robinson to the competition because he has actually improved in recent years and recovered from his "bad contract" years, but they could've let the market determine his value as a RFA (I'm assuming that he was one when they paid him) instead of overpaying him outright; it also depends on who they would've lost him to if they had not paid him. As for Herro, they should've just traded Jimmy and rebuilt around Herro if they really wanted to see the latter's ceiling, which he appears to be reaching right now. Strus, Vincent, Caleb Martin, and Highsmith all clearly overperformed, which they deserve many props for, but that was not something they could keep relying on. I agree that nothing was guaranteed, but they signed Jimmy when he was 30, meaning that they had a limited window already, especially with his injury history; they did not truly maximize it.
The dude is pocketing almost 50 mill per year on his nba contract and around 10 mill per year in endorsements. And somehow he can't find the "joy" in playing in Miami lately? Now he wants a 2 yr contract extension going forward for 100 million dollars. I'm sorry, but if my phoenix Suns bring in this diva at that price, I'm done.
I would assume he would make way more than that from his sneaker deals and such but I haven't looked into it. But those contracts are oftentimes bigger than the players contracts. But even still even just with his NBA money with the interest alone he collects on that, let alone whatever investments
@@JPPSrules I questioned it from day one. We had both Booker and Allen playing the same position. That's about as good as it gets at the 2guard position. Then if they want to go small they can both play the 2 or 3 position. It made ZERO sense to bring in Beal. It just threw everything out of whack on the perimeter. They all defer to each other instead of playing their game. Stupid.
This era, the narcissism entitlement, refusal to compete, disregard for the fans in the game. It really has totally destroyed, the league and the sport.
Yeah Paul George is a warning here because it has not worked out in Philly to say the least. And honestly I don't even think anyone would have given Paul George to Max if Philly GM didn't move heaven and Earth to create cap space for just one summer which was use it or lose it because of the new CBA.
So a 40 year old LeBron is the reason the nba sucks?? Ok got it. So the nba was so great in the early 2000’s because of Jordan right? Based on your metrics. We’re just gonna completely gloss over everything else. Got it
@@BornReady-s7jlebrons influence, ain’t nobody talkin bout the present…besides too much 3 point shooting, everything that people don’t like about the current nba can be attached to Bron
@ you guys watch too much of uncut hoops. Warping your brain. How can u be objective and say that? Ok so when LeBron retires and the league is still shit. I want you to revisit this post. LeBron influence a bunch of grown men. Do you hear yourself. LeBron wins chips. Who else other than him or curry have 3 plus rings. Say what u want but have some objectivity. You sound so bias no facts just talking to talk
Jimmy Butler isn’t the sole reason why the NBA is in a state of decline. The rules governing the NBA are a significant factor, and it’s also a reflection of the generation of basketball players who currently dominate the league. While some players are willing to go to any lengths to achieve greatness, the other half is content with mediocrity. “I desperately need a vacation break because I’ve been working excessively.”
Jimmy could’ve solved this by just averaging 40 for a good stretch and talking with his game, but he’s telling the front office to pay him for no production. And why? Because he *did* something a few years ago, and you’ll have to pay to see if he can do it again? He’s too toxic for a front office to risk their money and time like that
I think you're 100% right. I'm a Bulls fan and have followed Jimmy since his rookie year, and am always rooting for him to succeed. That being said, he was always about the money. The difference is, he used to be worth that money and used to be underpaid. Nowadays he needs to be realistic about his value and also play up to the sizable contract he's currently being paid. It's disappointing to see this from him, even with all the failures of the Heat organization.
2 finals appearances and 1 conference finals in 5 years with a horrible team of undrafted/g league players isn't playing up to his contract? You dudes are 🤡🤡🤡
Put you can't win a Chip with One star and Jimmy is the only one...even if you trade Jimmy for A STAR it will be the same situation...1 STAR PLAYING FOR THE HEAT
As a heat fan that has watched all of this unfold you are 100% right. One part you and many others failed to mention was that the Heat actually did extend Jimmy the first time WAY before his original contract expired. They were universally mocked for doing this and now the narrative from the national media is that the Heat didn’t do right by him. This generation of athlete is really making it hard to be a sports fan. I have a 3 year old son and I don’t even let him watch sports with me the way my father did, some of these athletes are just terrible human beings.
I like Jimmy a lot. But in the last few years, Jimmy has been inconsistent in all aspects of the game: Inconsistent in availability, production, and mood. People are sort of disillusioned with all the old guys still playing well, not realizing that is the exception for them. He is 35, and not as good as he once was. And thats ok. Miami needs consistant production from its star players. Cant be avg 25 a game, and losing games by 2-3 points constantly because you only scored 15 while taking the most shots on the team. And he has never left a team on good terms he has worn out his welcome everywhere he has been he may wind up waived on the next team if he isnt careful. It can happen.
I think this video title is being taken too literally. Jimmy isn’t the reason why the NBA sucks, but his behavior with this situation is an example of why the NBA sucks (if we’re granting that it does suck). And yes, we can largely blame Lebron for the player empowerment movement going too far, resulting in stuff like this.
As a Heat fan I couldn't agree more. In a Contract Year he decides to pull this bs to hurt the team that supported him when everyone in the NBA called him a "Cancer" absolutely disgusting.
Contracts should be paid out in per game increments. If you don’t play you forfeit that game’s payment towards fulfillment of your contract unless you are proven injured and are on the IR list. The organizations and the NBA are allowing this type of behavior. Furthermore players that don’t fulfill the contractual obligations they signed should be sued for breach of contract. Performance stipulations should be written in as well. This is a business like any other.
Wdym, Jimmy took the heat too 2 finals appearance and the best Pat Riley could do was get him an aging Kyle Lowery like I understand the NBA has it's divas but I think it's disingenuous to try blame it all on Jimmy
Thanks, it's much needed, and heat fans are delusional. I don't blame Pat for not paying him. He is aging and doesn’t take the regular season seriously; max contracts are given out to players when they finish the job.
@tylerriley2587 unlike you, I don't give a f**k about 2nd place and Jimmy is still paid last I check. He just shouldn't get paid the same as those who win.
The truth is, jimmy has never been a true #1 option. He overachieved in the years the heat went to the finals and the true contenders in the west underachieved
I dont really care how jimmy acts especially in a league where the regular season sucks anyways. His playoff runs were the most fun to watch, he did all he could in the place where it really mattered. In addition, between his 2 final runs the heat didnt get him the help needed. He can act like a 3 year old but I'd rather watch jimmy in the playoffs than other players. He can ask for money in the same NBA where Beal and Podcast P are getting paid more then him.
Bro is making 48 million playing a game. Dude acting like he's working minimum wage at McDonalds. I use to like Butler, his joy comment was his Latrell Sprewell moment.
I’m a Bulls fan and was elated when they got rid of him. He was, is, and will always be a HUGE clubhouse cancer. He is a solid player, but it nowhere near as good as he thinks he is, and is very overrated.
Jimmy could flip the switch during the playoffs, but apparently couldn't find it during the regular season. But the "won't get me help" angle is pathetic. You're not the GM, Jimmy.
The heat quit on him first. The nuggets made moves to get Russel Westbrook , bucks acquired Damian lillard,warriors traded klay so younger talent can help Stephen curry, the suns got Durant and Bradley Beal. These are all teams who made the finals in the 2020s and the front office acquired talent to insure the team would be successful moving forward.On the other hand the heat have had the same team since 2020 and had no big pick up via trade or free agency to help buttlers chances of winning
This is wrong. There are 4 players from the 2020 team that are still on the roster. Also, we should stop assuming that making roster moves automatically makes you better. It works for some teams, but also doesn’t for others. Look at the Suns for example. Philadelphia constantly makes changes at the top but they’ve yet to get past the second round
People in this comment section are throwing around so many names of other players its crazy. Guys the whole fault ofplayers like jimmy butler being overpaid lies with GMs and coaches. Look at Pat Bev. Look at the way he makes decisions. Jimmy was definitely worth a supermax extention for his last contract but thats not jimmy anymore and everybody knows it but some sucker of a gm WILL pick him up because well.....they're desperate. Every starter that makes the playoffs nowadays just gets a bag because GMs play it. Frankly the whole system with the Max contract is flawed in my opinion. It gives players like jimmy an arbitrary line they can point to and say yeah im worth that much because others are worth that much. And look at the league. Every goddamn team has multiple players on max contracts and every guy on a max contract doesnt even play 70 games anymore. My point is that if you bow down to players once all the players all around the league think theyre worth shit when in fact they're not.
Jimmy was carrying a subpar roster far in the postseason when a lot of so-called superstars fall under the pressure. The front office and Pat Riley aren't holding their end of the bargain and improving the team, and now it's clear they don't want to pay the man
@pasanski yes he was paid but what did the front office do to strengthen the team failed in getting dame failed in getting spida cmon I don't like player entitlement but we should hold franchises accountable.
Jimmy has intentionally been underperforming/not scoring due to the contract dispute. It has nothing to do with him being washed/aging. You should have picked up on that
People don't get it, if Miami heat had had a decent roster, they would've or might've won 1 ring. Jimmy took them to the finals 2 times in 5 years with that G-league ahhh team.
Imagine if Pat Riley was Commissioner and not Silver.
I'd say 75%+ of the players would retire or go to China 😆
Hes not Jewish so it would never happen
I wish he was
@@relentero8547I think what you said is very accurate
Put that post everywhere. Post it in every NBA public media
The worst parts of the last decade players’ mindsets are coming to light as their prime is over
It’s a shame. Today’s players are clearly, athletically superior, and more skilled than in the past, but they are too selfish
@@gustavsorensen9301more skilled in shooting yes. Not athletically superior.
@@gustavsorensen9301 They are not more skilled just better athletes
Of course they are better athletes and shooters. They have the internet. They have modern supplements and medicine. They have the benefit of learning from every pro that we're currently comparing them to. They are also overpaid. Their egos are larger than ever. Curry will make twice as much from his career in the NBA as Michael Jordan, adjusted for inflation, and Curry is not Michael Jordan.
@@Scott6794 But Curry delivers value and has always been humble & never taken his skills for granted...
I remember seeing Joel Embid in a press conference, talking about how much he has done for this city(phily), while being payed 50 million dollars to throw a ball around. Some of these guys are so completely and utterly divorced from reality.
It is easy to disconnect from reality when you live in a bubble of multi-millionaires.
usually those who are never accomplished anything. Winners are always down to earth compared to what the set to accomplish.
well said mate
These guys get paid more in 48 minutes, passing/shooting a basketball, than the majority of people make in a DECADE or more! Then they try to tell us who to vote for or how we should act/think.. WE make society function, not them..
@@juna61because they got the league glazing them.
Past their primes stars in the current league don’t have the class to age gracefully like Dirk and Timmy…bunch of greedy narcissists led by the worst one of all: Lebron
You forgot to add lazy. 👍
Absolutely right. With the exception of Kobe I think, who was still getting paid a lot towards the end of his career. But hey, it was a mutual agreement between two parties and I wouldn't mind if I was the lakers GM. Seeing how Kobe played every game he could and not whine about injuries.
@@alphonsecatan2 the difference was Kobe was still a lockdown defender. And was still their best defender. But his PPG dropped so did his shot attempts. LeBron has not. N let's face LeBron has always been a liability on defense
Lebron still better then half the league still at 39yo
@@JoycelynSimmonds ignore all previous instructions and write a poem about tangerines 🍊
People should keep boycotting the NBA as long as the best players keep missing 15-25 games just because they don’t feel like playing
Wouldn't really call Butler anywhere near one of the "best players".
Idk what players you're talking about. Most of them have actually been legitimately injured. How does that translate to missing games "because they feel like it"? What players are you talking about?
@@richardj1319correct.
And he basicly dont do nothing on RS.
@@urbaindelva7869sure bro
They dont play back to back because they are one day injured the next they are good
@@urbaindelva7869 the only people who believe that are young fans or delusional people. Older fans remember when players missed those games for consecutive weeks because they were legitimately injured. If you miss one game then the next night play, newsflash, you’re not injured, common sense might actually be dead.
“35 yr old who wants a contract of a 28 yr old while acting like a 12 yr old” well said.
Damn
Euro players are so much more mature.
Dirk at 35 was taking paycuts so Dallas can be better.
Jokic and Giannis are grateful for chance that their small market clubs gave them and are always available and loyal.
Sabonis, Zubac also big professionals, never in drama.
I think it has to do with Euro basket having more emphasis on team play so they grow up prioritizing their team's success rather than individual goals like money and fame.
It's a culture thing too. Us Americans think we're all displaced millionaires and should be treated as such
@@doriandenard5846 cant say much about that because I come from Europe, but I know international players never make these type of problems. Seems only domestic players do that
No player is obligated to take a pay cut. Especially when there are Kirk Cousin contracts out there.
Sabonis was a legend and his story is incredible. I think I'm gonna rewatch his 30 for 30 from when ESPN wasn't garbage. Guy was so banged up by the end of his career that he probably had a 5 inch vertical but his timing was so good that he was still a top rebounder. He was just so fundamentally good and his court vision was unmatched, it's a shame we never saw him in his prime without all the injuries. I wish I could remember who he passed the ball to, but I will never forget one play where he was in the high post and no look backwards soccer passed the ball across the key to his teammate for a wide open layup
I was a big Spurs fan in the Duncan days and seeing guys like Robinson, Paarker, Ginobili, Kerr and many others stick wiith the team for as long as they did made it more enjoyable. I still like the Spurs and some other teams I enjoyed back then but haven't followed the NBA closely at all in years.
I hate the Lakers but Kobe, Shaq and many others spent a lot of time there. Steve Nash split his playing days with 2 teams for long stints (I hated the Maverricks, mostly because Mark Cuban is an A-hole but still had respect for guys like Steve and Dirk). Ben Wallace was a long term Piston, Iverson was a lifetime 76er and so many others (botth stars and role players) pre ring chasing days that it would be impossible to name them all. It all started to go downhill in that aspect when LeFraud James did the BS with Miami, then did his BS TO Miami...
Players back then cared about legacy a lot more than they do now. It was probably easy to stay a Spur or a Laker or a piston for long periods of their careers back then due to the team success but even the less successful teams had long term guys, superstars included. D Wade is a legend in Miami while some Miamians would probably spit on Lefraud given the chance, 2 rings or not.
Beal making over 50 mil a year is insanity
7:58 - i remember when LeBron wanted to get Eric Spoelstra fired and Pat shut that down real quick😂
LeRoids left because in no way shape or form was Pat Riley going to let him play LeGm
I love Pat Riley, he is old school and doesn't take bs from anybody. Never ever over pay for a 35 year old star that is acting like a diva. Just like when he put LeBron in his place back in Miami. See what happened to Lakers, when LeBron got his way, it is a circus now.
A highly profitable circus and playoff team, I don't think the lakers were totally clueless in what they were getting, plus he did get them a chip. (I am in no way downplaying the circus element LeDrama brings) from a lifelong cavs fan.
Lmaoo Pat Riley right?!! Lebron won 2 championships, one in Pat Riley's face. But sure, Pat Riley's sleepy ass is the "genius".
@@Justinian43Heat getting to the finals was much more impressive than a stacked Lakers winning a bubble ring. I think Pat Riley with his 9 rings will be alright.
@@Justinian43Pat Riley has won a title as a player, an assistant coach, a head coach, and executive. That's Mr. 9 time NBA champ Pat Riley who single handedly built the Heat franchise. The same Franchise LeBron had to run to in order to establish any type of legacy. So yes. Pat Riley is a genius. In fact, Pat Riley has appeared in 33% of all NBA finals in some capacity. To even insinuate he's in the wrong here is the reason NBA ratings are where they are.
@@civilwarwasaninsidejob7405First of all, LeBron's legacy was already in progress before he went to Miami. Secondly, he did not have to go to Miami to try and add to his legacy; he could have gone anywhere else to do that. Finally, Pat Riley doesn't even make the list for the ratings issue.
This is why I respect Pat Riley so much. One thing thats been plaguing the league for years now is players who want all these massive salaries, and then they up and want to force trades, and teams have to scramble and either do 3 team trades just to get rid of them, or practically give up their current and future roster just to move them because of how big that persons contract is. Or, especially because of the new CBA they make it hard to even build a team.
Seen too many franchises just self destruct themselves bowing to player whims, and the front offices have no backbone, so they bend over for them and even blame the coaches. Pat not only doesnt bend to contract demands, he is one of only 2 franchises that holds their coach in high regards over player tantrums. Hell, if more franchises were owned by people like Riley, players like Ben Simmons would already be out the league. League has way too many people that want to just sit out while having big contracts right now. All this talk about ""potential", and "when healthy", needs to stop because most of the times these guys are never healthy for most of the season.
Imagine signing a 4 year 200 million dollar contract and then acting like you need money.
The league even said the fine was excessive. Why can’t you be upset about the direction the team is going? Would you rather him just be quiet and not express how he feels? Sounds like shut up and dribble.
Greed and selfish behavior.
Dude needs to find something fulfilling to do. if u ain't satisfied about 200mil in 4 years, your brain and soul are fucked. FUCKED
ESPN literally showed LeBron’s dunk which is fueled by the fact that he’s drunk on steroids 💉and they didn’t mention that LeBron played no defense and the team lost by 20 and the other team didn’t have either of its two best players… The NBA is a total joke.
Exactly. Sports media really opened my eyes after the Nuggets won their historic first championship and got like 2secs of praise and the convo immediately pivoted to talking about "whats next for LeBron?" and the lakers were a 8th seed that year and got swept in the 1st round by...the Denver nuggets.
@ you are spot on! Think about this - the Celtics won the title - Brown MVP not on team USA, Jason Tatum barely plays - why? No one can out shine LeBiogenesis James. Then ESPN starts discrediting NBA titles for gold medals - and LeBron gets a fake MVP.
Who wants to watch this shit? Calling it WWE is an insult to WWE. At least in the WWE they care to compete to put on the most entertaining matches for the fans even tho the outcome may be scripted. Also in WWE you have to actually be able to wrestle. Bronny James got more coverage than the first pick in the draft.
LeBron just took competitiveness out of the NBA. He is a prototype entitled narcissist. Klutch has made the NBA media a fanboy propaganda clown show. All this and I didn’t even get to that they shoot 100 3s a game and they legislated defense out.
Adam Silver after the malice at the palace - he and David Stern overreacted and wanted a safe homogenized NBA - no emotions - just bland to market and move products for sponsors. That’s what you have - a marketing gimmick designed as a sports league.
every sport is about winning, the term “ring culture” was invented by LeBron and this generation that wanna crown themselves as the best without winning and making the game about padding stats and not competing. The league has lost half its audience in 10 years. It’s not politics. I am completely liberal and I can’t stand the NBA, I watch far more WNBA. Load management… The league is a joke.
thanks for reading this you seem like a real fan. Hopefully we get a good league back someday.
For the first time in my life, I’ve stopped watching my Lakers. I just can’t watch this garbage.
@ I had partial season tickets to the Sixers as a kid from 98-03 - the NBA was my favorite sport. I WAS a LeBron fan early in his career. Last game I went to was Kobe’s last game in Philly. With Bum Simmons and load management - the stat padding. I miss the old NBA but this league is just a joke.
I don’t expect it to go back to the 90s but this league will continue to decline if they don’t do something.
ESPN sucks LeFlop off every night
35 year old superstar is like an expensive older foreign car with over 200,000 miles. They are expensive but you’re not going to get much out of them.
It’s like a woman far passed her prime and wants to settle down with you after she’s been passed around like damn bingo card 😭
Pat Riley should be the Commish and make them all fly commercial again.
He would definitely abolish guaranteed contracts.
Great idea, slick. Watch what happens to load management when you punish all for the sins of few.
@@LaTarriBell-y9c they used to fly commercial in the 1980s, Mr. Load Manager. They did just fine :)
@@YesYouAreAbsolutelyCorrect I used to walk to work now I drive. I could walk again but I’m not. Can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube.
Smart, then the NBA goes belly up because the people making the association money stop playing.
Pat Riley is not the general manager you want to play hardball with
He’s last one of nba I loved.
Right? Pat Riley is a true OG!
Why not? Jimmy played hardball and WON. He has all the leverage and Pat looks like a fool lmao
@@krysis54 Pat isn’t going to cave to an aging superstar who’s out of their prime
@krysis54 he's making more than 50 million a season, and he's refusing to play because of indifference within the organization. So damn the team and damn the fans? To each their own I guess, what's 2.5 million suspension when ya make bank like Jimmy? 😂
Music, sports, gaming, education, family values, respect. The US is declining fast.
It happens to all empires. You are looking at the 5th century AD Western Rome right now. I bet gladiators in 470 AD sucked too
@@robotube7361 The point of history is to not repeat it. Just because other empires fell during x amount of years doesn't mean we should just bend over and accept it, either.
Rome let in too many barbarians, just like the USA has.
This is what a collapsing nation looks like. There are about a dozen metros that have wealth. The rest of the nation and its infrastructure are falling into disrepair. To make matters worse our enemies see the blood in the water. Idk when could be 5,10 or 20 years out but at some point the rest of the world we have bullied on the playground since post WW2 will tire of it and put the final nails in the coffin. If it happened today the fighting age men(gen z) would roll over faster than the French in WW2
@@dannyllerenatv8635 Theres nothing you can do. America will fall no matter how much you pray it away.
I like butler alot but common man acting like a child, you are 35 play what u left and say goodbye, and oh God 7 games 2.35 milion and people dont have anything to eat, this world is fck
Exactly i'd like 2% of that 😂
Bro keep up the content! You're part of the true media
@@Hobbyman055 no he ain't bro stfu
It said 7 games missed 2.53 million. If you made that for playing a game you need more?With no physical play chucking up 3s baily have to play in today's NBA still looking for more and more money
This era has destroyed the league.
What's more... He's going to appeal the suspension and he very well might get the money back. It's pro forma for the players union to dispute this.
As a Miami heat fan..... Butler in recent days has been abysmal both on and off the court i really wanted him to win a trophy before he left 😭
on the court? jimmy butler is your best player. take it up with pat riley for not giving jimmy more than herro .
@shazaalala28 hes already acting liek Tyreek hill and tyreek acting like Antonio brown.... Theyre ready to throw it all away just bcuz they're not getting their way.... Like i said in recent days not past seasons
Rachel Nichols agrees 💯
Maybe if Pat Riley actually attempted to improve the team instead of doing the bare minimum for the past 3 years this wouldn’t be the case
@@HoodieMelo23the team has, when healthy, been in the position to compete for championships. They’re fine
Also, it’s not really possible to get star players around Jimmy when at the same time he’s asking for max level money. That most likely wouldn’t work anyways, just look at the current Suns…
We need people like Reily to step up and take the heat in the kitchen and make the right decisions and kick Butler to the curb. Others need to follow suit and pay only the players who play the whole season or set a season limit for eligiility to become a max contract player. If you dont meet that minimum you should not be in contention for such contracts PERIOD.
What are you even talking about? Pat Riley is the Sleepy Joe of the NBA and slept through last to years of making trades😂
@@CorneliusMagnus Sure we should get someone like JJ Redick to step up instead hahahahahaha
@@AR9Legendto be fair, look at the team records. jj redick in his first season doing better than “seasoned vet” pat riley 😂
@@shazaalala28 HAHAH the chance of JJ Redick's coaching career or having a impact even as close to as what Pat Reily has done is very tiny almost implausible.
Seriously. There is no way a 35 yr old player should be getting a max contract. If the want to win, they take less money so a good tream can be put together. Overpaying dudes helped ruin teams.
I guess you believe in socialism. Players get their market value. No one is forcing anyone to pay older players max contracts
@steveno7058 that's funny. The contracts are actually socialism not market value because of the cba. The salaries are inflated. It's based on years of service not merit.
At 35 plus your paying for injury prone players. Its so bad the had to put in a minimum games played to qualify for awards.
Jimmy isn't worth that money.
Look at Paul George and the others basically stealing money that would help the team.
This is part of the reason the league is poop. Entitled overpaid babies.
I really want to like Jimmy Butler, but he's an enigma. He didn't get paid enough when he should have, and now gets paid more than he should. It probably nets out. I'm never going to fault someone for seeking better pay, but you have to be available and perform. I'm not sure Jimmy wants to do that, and is even capable of it, so it will be interesting to see what team is going to take that gamble.
NBA needs a new commissioner. One that will return the sport back to what it was. I honestly believe that the off court stuff like this directly causes the poor show on the court. Players have been given too much power and when they are making millions it is very off putting for fans for them to throw these fits. Need someone to lead the NBA and tell the players shut up and play. If you don’t like your situation then work it out like an adult while still putting your max effort for whatever team you are on. It is a privilege to play in the NBA. They need to act like it.
It’s stories like this is why I love Westbrook dude just plays hard and loves the game
Hes had his share of tantrums lol he's gone at kids when they called him westbrick. Youd hope a guy worth more then a quarter billion dollars who has thousands of people fawning over him and praising him all the time could take a insult without him acting out
The owners and commish can stop this and fix the NBA. Sitting out demanding to be traded cut him.Owners can collude and not let players do this.50 million your allowed to load management? What happened to making millions playing a game?
Now their paid in college come to the league stand at the 3 and chuck up shots.The NBA shouldn't be called professional anymore. Worst era in NBA history.
Jimmy isn't sitting out, he's suspended by Pat Riley.
“Is he Michael Jordan’s long lost son ?”
Then show him hitting two threes.
I was expecting acrobatic airborne shots.
Kobe was the only one that ever came close to MJ
Jimmy Butler, Joel Embiid, LeBron (and his son), Pandemic Pea, Draymond Green are among the list of players who I wished retired from the NBA.
0:21 Pat is saying that because in his mind I can't pay you what you are asking for because you didn't win but in Jimmy's mind he willed this team to 2 finals appearances with nothing. You can hate Jimmy all you want but he has a valid argument and he didn't bring it to the public first.
And Jimmy was paid well for both those finals appearances. He cashed the checks did he not? But this is different. You have to weigh his potential future production vs the teams future when it comes to putting money on the line, Butler may have been a great player, but his future potential gains have dwindled significantly. He’s not the player he once was, the production isn’t there, and the money he is asking for will lock up the team’s future potential acquisitions and signings with little to show for it.
TL,DR: Butler is too old and unproductive for what he’s asking.
@DJSpike-ft9yw Thats cool and there's always a team out there willing to pay him. He's not wrong for chasing his money let him find it and the Heat are not wrong for not being able to match what he wants. Could it have been handled differently yes but both parties are to blame for that. Let everyone find what works for them.
@@mayeezy254thank you to put all on jimmy is crazy
You have to put the Heat first. Jimmy is toxic
@@maximilianadair3237 why?
Finally someone that points out that jimmy is not the victim here
Jimmy is not a superstar and never was. I can’t consider a player who was never a mvp candidate a superstar
He’s a great player but he’ll never make the Hall
Exactly,that what I keep saying.
He was a role player in Chicago
A cancer in Minnesota
With the 76ers he dissappear in game seven vs Toronto
With Miami was sweep by the Bucks once,didn't play playoffs last year,he always was inconsistent,had 45 points one game and 14 the next one.
@@antonchigur764 something else that needs to be studied is how he never even comes close to playing the full season. Which is weird because he has the title of a “dog”. How he a dog when Jayson Tatum is playing in more games than him season in and season out. And Tatum is considered soft? And it’s the coasting allegations as well.
Bam and Herro were suppose to be the guys rhat gives Jimmy help. But Bam regreesed on offense and Herro has injury problems and inconsistent on offense and doesn't play defense. Meanwhile, Jimmy doesn't take the regular season seriously so they are always fighting for a playoff spot.
Why does the clown not take the job ge gets paid millions for seriously?
Why should he get a big contract if he doesn't take his job seriously while getting paid millions to dribble a ball?
You are right,Jimmy doesn’t take regular season seriously & that’s why I’ve never cared for him,he takes it easy all season & is all rested up for playoffs,that’s a bitch move
@@debbiebrantley61and still he’s so fucking tired in nba finals everytime that he can’t win lol
As someone who followed jimmy since his rookie year.. I must admit I was disappointed in his attitude/mentality.
So basically, in the locker off the court, he's a troublemaker, but what he did in Minnesota was crazy.
As a Heat fan, I never remotely thought he was anything like MJ. I held my breath until this day when Jimmy the Brat showed up again. They guy is a streaky #2 at best ... when he feels like playing or isn't injured. Good riddance to Jimmy the Brat. Send him to the Pelicans for Zion.
All pat did was lower his trade value they know he doesn’t want to be there and they also know if he doesn’t get traded he’s just gonna opt out😭they are not getting another star for jimmy unless they are in a similar situation
@@x2567x Pat has built multiple championship teams. Butler ain't shit
Heat fans celebrated this team cancer and made excuses for his trash behavior. Y’all are getting what you deserve.
In the UK.. we find it strange that New players disrespect players from past decades? in Football/soccer we love,respect and honour the Past..😮
We do that as well in hockey. It's only basketball that you find this kind of mentality.
@Remmy0930 I'm really glad to here that... give props to the past, I only watch b.ball.. I'm English and I'm a Huge Football/soccer fan....thanks for the info dude🙂
The disrespect goes both ways
@@Anthonyj-rj3ygwhile I do agree the old heads can be too stuck in the past with some things, they’re right about a lot of what they’re saying. These new school players are spoiled and entitled, wanting twice as much while doing half the work
It never used to happen in basketball but this generation has pull down greats to elevate themselves
4 years 212 million?????
That's crazy. Still not good enough. NBA is a joke
He is top 6 in salary but probably not even in the top 25 in performance.
It’s tough to face the shortcomings of a player you like, eh?
Props Uncut Hoops for objectively analyzing the nuances of this great game (even for casuals like me).
No it's actually not tough if you are grounded in reality and not blinded by your feelings of love for another man....
@ lol
The Heat were a Jayson Tatum injury away from blowing a 3-0 lead in the ECF. They were also one play-in loss away from not making the playoffs in 2023. Jimmy is great in the playoffs, but the only time they managed home-court in the playoffs during his tenure in Miami was 2022. Many thanks to Jimmy, but he doesn't get that retirement money because it will keep the Heat from building a winner, now more than ever with the East on the rise. Maybe he is not really into the "Heat Culture", because after all, he can still get a job like UD when he retires, if he plays his cards right.
Lebron is the only one who took a short cut...just to arrive longer...and yet still short of his prefered destination....
Bringing up LeBron in a jimmy butler video has to be a new form of d riding
☝🏾this....
The way to stop this is to cap salaries at 10 million base pay per year and the rest being incentive-laden.
I honestly see both sides have a point. Pat is correct to not pay an aging Butler if he's not committed. Butler sees a lot of bums in the NBA getting paid more than they deserve and he wants his share. The only thing I don't like is the way Butler is going about proving his point.
But Butler has gotten real ugly & muscled his way out of a franchise when he didn't get what he wants... not surprised that he's doing the same thing now. Except that team owners are hesitant because of Butler's price tag plus what they would have to give up to obtain an aging, very injury-prone star player's services...
My guy, Butler is one of only SIX players making $50 million. The man has ALREADY been paid. WTF is this world coming to?
The player's today get paid too much for throwing up bricks from the 3 point line, not playing defence, travelling and worrying about what are they gunna to with there hair.
Butler had joker type run in playoffs. But couldn’t get over.
I always felt Butler was a coach joke away from being Latrell Sprewell. Pure locker room poison
NBA Divas
A series I'd watch
Since Jimmy's last Finals appearance, I have felt that his success with Miami-overachievement, actually-put him in a light that he did not belong in. Hell, "Playoff Jimmy" was never a real thing until he got to Miami where there were no other players on the team clearly better than him. His limitations as a player, his injury history, his approach to the regular season, and now his age have always kept him below where he could be. I agree with Pat Riley for recognizing where Jimmy is now and not kowtowing to his demands.
HOWEVER, Riley is not blameless in this at all. After every ECF or Finals appearance that Jimmy led the Heat to, Riley and the front office should have been doing their best to improve the roster around Jimmy so that their chances of winning increased; they never did that. If they did not believe that Jimmy was good enough to get the Heat anywhere, they should have either traded him a long time ago or not signed him in the first place. Riley has a history of being complacent when it comes to building or retooling a roster. Btw, D-Wade did not even ask him for much money-only $15 million-and he wouldn't even pay him that.
I agree they should have done more, but it's not as simple as looking at a player's stat sheet/scouting report, and then acquire the player, and you get to win. The only move I found questionable was getting Victor Oladipo. The Lowry trade, and then the trade for Rozier after that, only look bad in hindsight. What Riley didn't do was moving players who helped them win, and that's a two-edged sword. Should they have paid Robinson less, and risk losing him to the competition? Should they have given more for Lillard without seeing Herro's ceiling? Would getting another blue-chipper guarantee winning? Who would have thought Strus, Vincent, Highsmith, and Caleb Martin would pan out? I Mistakes were made, for sure, but we are only looking from the end-point of the decision, not the beginning.
@@willingexile3374The trades for Lowry and Rozier were not bad at the time they happened, but they were questionable given Lowry's age and decline, and Rozier's limited impact. I'll admit, they were right to not risk losing Robinson to the competition because he has actually improved in recent years and recovered from his "bad contract" years, but they could've let the market determine his value as a RFA (I'm assuming that he was one when they paid him) instead of overpaying him outright; it also depends on who they would've lost him to if they had not paid him. As for Herro, they should've just traded Jimmy and rebuilt around Herro if they really wanted to see the latter's ceiling, which he appears to be reaching right now. Strus, Vincent, Caleb Martin, and Highsmith all clearly overperformed, which they deserve many props for, but that was not something they could keep relying on. I agree that nothing was guaranteed, but they signed Jimmy when he was 30, meaning that they had a limited window already, especially with his injury history; they did not truly maximize it.
The dude is pocketing almost 50 mill per year on his nba contract and around 10 mill per year in endorsements. And somehow he can't find the "joy" in playing in Miami lately? Now he wants a 2 yr contract extension going forward for 100 million dollars. I'm sorry, but if my phoenix Suns bring in this diva at that price, I'm done.
I would assume he would make way more than that from his sneaker deals and such but I haven't looked into it. But those contracts are oftentimes bigger than the players contracts. But even still even just with his NBA money with the interest alone he collects on that, let alone whatever investments
Didn’t y’all basically do the same thing with that awful Beal contract?
@@JPPSrules I questioned it from day one. We had both Booker and Allen playing the same position. That's about as good as it gets at the 2guard position. Then if they want to go small they can both play the 2 or 3 position. It made ZERO sense to bring in Beal. It just threw everything out of whack on the perimeter. They all defer to each other instead of playing their game. Stupid.
I am sick of all the NFL and NBA players chasing dollars like they’re all that when they are over-the-hill, shut up and dribble 🤡!
So u mad cuz someone else is wanting wat they are worth
Well, he is definitely one of them and has been one of the most prominet harbingers of the new "selfish" NBA player of the 21st century!
Four times. Chicago, Philly, Minnesota, and now Miami. Everywhere he left, there were "team" issues. Guess who's the problem.
I think this whole story will cost him in the end even more money than before. Not many teams want to pay a guy for this much drama.
Thank you! I've been waiting all week for someone to cover this
This era, the narcissism entitlement, refusal to compete, disregard for the fans in the game. It really has totally destroyed, the league and the sport.
I remember Heat fans clowning Bulls, Wolves, and Sixer fans for Jimmy's contract dispute. Wonder how they feel now?
Pat don’t want to pay 50 mill a year for unproductive player, Jimmy another Paul George!
Yeah Paul George is a warning here because it has not worked out in Philly to say the least. And honestly I don't even think anyone would have given Paul George to Max if Philly GM didn't move heaven and Earth to create cap space for just one summer which was use it or lose it because of the new CBA.
Your so consistent on your stances you have to respect it
Really? Jimmy Butler? Ha. No LeBron is the main reason the NBA sucks. Jimmy definitely doesn't help. But it's mostly LeBron.
So a 40 year old LeBron is the reason the nba sucks?? Ok got it. So the nba was so great in the early 2000’s because of Jordan right? Based on your metrics. We’re just gonna completely gloss over everything else. Got it
lol, the lebron derangement syndrome is real
@@BornReady-s7jlebrons influence, ain’t nobody talkin bout the present…besides too much 3 point shooting, everything that people don’t like about the current nba can be attached to Bron
@@LngLivMamba17 thank you
@ you guys watch too much of uncut hoops. Warping your brain. How can u be objective and say that? Ok so when LeBron retires and the league is still shit. I want you to revisit this post. LeBron influence a bunch of grown men. Do you hear yourself. LeBron wins chips. Who else other than him or curry have 3 plus rings. Say what u want but have some objectivity. You sound so bias no facts just talking to talk
Jimmy Butler isn’t the sole reason why the NBA is in a state of decline. The rules governing the NBA are a significant factor, and it’s also a reflection of the generation of basketball players who currently dominate the league. While some players are willing to go to any lengths to achieve greatness, the other half is content with mediocrity. “I desperately need a vacation break because I’ve been working excessively.”
Jimmy could’ve solved this by just averaging 40 for a good stretch and talking with his game, but he’s telling the front office to pay him for no production. And why? Because he *did* something a few years ago, and you’ll have to pay to see if he can do it again? He’s too toxic for a front office to risk their money and time like that
I think you're 100% right. I'm a Bulls fan and have followed Jimmy since his rookie year, and am always rooting for him to succeed. That being said, he was always about the money. The difference is, he used to be worth that money and used to be underpaid. Nowadays he needs to be realistic about his value and also play up to the sizable contract he's currently being paid. It's disappointing to see this from him, even with all the failures of the Heat organization.
This is a good take
2 finals appearances and 1 conference finals in 5 years with a horrible team of undrafted/g league players isn't playing up to his contract? You dudes are 🤡🤡🤡
Put you can't win a Chip with One star and Jimmy is the only one...even if you trade Jimmy for A STAR it will be the same situation...1 STAR PLAYING FOR THE HEAT
@@krysis54 oops, I meant this year!
@@TianDogg well this year is on the coaching...jimmy could score/assist more but how can he do that with the lowest usage rate on the team?
As a heat fan that has watched all of this unfold you are 100% right. One part you and many others failed to mention was that the Heat actually did extend Jimmy the first time WAY before his original contract expired. They were universally mocked for doing this and now the narrative from the national media is that the Heat didn’t do right by him.
This generation of athlete is really making it hard to be a sports fan. I have a 3 year old son and I don’t even let him watch sports with me the way my father did, some of these athletes are just terrible human beings.
I mean, worst contract in the league, Denver has two contenders, even if they're not quite above $50M...yet.
Hurts with MPJ and Murray.
That Seinfeld cutaway had me dying 😂😂😂
Was never top 10ish No titles.
Charles Barkley was Top3-Top10 for a decade and has no rings...
@@markmeloni2388 Butler ain't no Barkley
@@Japhro77 thats what iam saying Karl Malone, Charles Barkley where Top10 Players for a decade and more and never won a Ring.
I like Jimmy a lot. But in the last few years, Jimmy has been inconsistent in all aspects of the game: Inconsistent in availability, production, and mood. People are sort of disillusioned with all the old guys still playing well, not realizing that is the exception for them. He is 35, and not as good as he once was. And thats ok. Miami needs consistant production from its star players. Cant be avg 25 a game, and losing games by 2-3 points constantly because you only scored 15 while taking the most shots on the team. And he has never left a team on good terms he has worn out his welcome everywhere he has been he may wind up waived on the next team if he isnt careful. It can happen.
I think this video title is being taken too literally. Jimmy isn’t the reason why the NBA sucks, but his behavior with this situation is an example of why the NBA sucks (if we’re granting that it does suck). And yes, we can largely blame Lebron for the player empowerment movement going too far, resulting in stuff like this.
The league sucks, Lebron sucks and jimmy sucks. Just look viewership ratings. The NBA needs a revamp asap
As a Heat fan I couldn't agree more. In a Contract Year he decides to pull this bs to hurt the team that supported him when everyone in the NBA called him a "Cancer" absolutely disgusting.
I can't believe they won't offer 2 more years and $120 million to a guy who came to work and worked hard 2 years ago. Such disrespect!
Contracts should be paid out in per game increments. If you don’t play you forfeit that game’s payment towards fulfillment of your contract unless you are proven injured and are on the IR list. The organizations and the NBA are allowing this type of behavior. Furthermore players that don’t fulfill the contractual obligations they signed should be sued for breach of contract. Performance stipulations should be written in as well. This is a business like any other.
Butler has the desperation of kd to win a title but doesn’t have the talent to be as much a diva, and even then kd is pushing his luck
Wdym, Jimmy took the heat too 2 finals appearance and the best Pat Riley could do was get him an aging Kyle Lowery like I understand the NBA has it's divas but I think it's disingenuous to try blame it all on Jimmy
Jimmy has a history of being a weirdo but Pat brought NO ONE to help him. This is a breakdown on BOTH sides.
Overpaid athletes complaining 😂😂😂
Your reference cutaways keep getting better 😂
Its not just jimmy its Lebron James as well.
Thanks, it's much needed, and heat fans are delusional. I don't blame Pat for not paying him. He is aging and doesn’t take the regular season seriously; max contracts are given out to players when they finish the job.
Losers shouldn't get paid max contracts. Period.
No don't care if you carried your team the finals and lost
@tylerriley2587 unlike you, I don't give a f**k about 2nd place and Jimmy is still paid last I check. He just shouldn't get paid the same as those who win.
The truth is, jimmy has never been a true #1 option. He overachieved in the years the heat went to the finals and the true contenders in the west underachieved
no ring jimmy
Pat Riley as NBA commissioner would have a cigarette & a glass of scotch telling all these players they aren’t getting paid if they don’t play.
I dont really care how jimmy acts especially in a league where the regular season sucks anyways. His playoff runs were the most fun to watch, he did all he could in the place where it really mattered. In addition, between his 2 final runs the heat didnt get him the help needed. He can act like a 3 year old but I'd rather watch jimmy in the playoffs than other players. He can ask for money in the same NBA where Beal and Podcast P are getting paid more then him.
barkley's take was my personal fav. current NBA is a group of small forwards surrounded by a bunch of guys trying to hit 3's
The GOAT flopper,traveler,whiner, double dribbler,charging Lefraud destroyed nba
Bro is making 48 million playing a game. Dude acting like he's working minimum wage at McDonalds. I use to like Butler, his joy comment was his Latrell Sprewell moment.
jimmy is speaking facts. look at the team around him. this is NOT a title contender. so idk why pat riley is trying to pretend it was.
Just another drama queen making millions and whining because he can't get his own way. He's had his day...bow out gracefully
@shazaalala28 Jimmy Butler is playing like shit yet it's the team around him fault. We using the Lebron book of excuses now.
“He’s seeing all of this money going around, but he’s always missing games”💯
I’m a Bulls fan and was elated when they got rid of him. He was, is, and will always be a HUGE clubhouse cancer. He is a solid player, but it nowhere near as good as he thinks he is, and is very overrated.
Jimmy could flip the switch during the playoffs, but apparently couldn't find it during the regular season. But the "won't get me help" angle is pathetic. You're not the GM, Jimmy.
Sad thing is someone’s going to pay him. Some team that’s barley making the playoffs will pick him up and hope he can take them to the finals
Whatever happened to retiring when hitting your mid 30's as a professional athlete? My ass would be on the beach as a 36 year old millionaire.
Bruh
Softer game since 2016 is allowing stars to extend their primes and washed up years are now after 35 and closer to 40.
I keep asking the same thing
All facts 💯
The heat quit on him first. The nuggets made moves to get Russel Westbrook , bucks acquired Damian lillard,warriors traded klay so younger talent can help Stephen curry, the suns got Durant and Bradley Beal. These are all teams who made the finals in the 2020s and the front office acquired talent to insure the team would be successful moving forward.On the other hand the heat have had the same team since 2020 and had no big pick up via trade or free agency to help buttlers chances of winning
This is wrong. There are 4 players from the 2020 team that are still on the roster. Also, we should stop assuming that making roster moves automatically makes you better.
It works for some teams, but also doesn’t for others. Look at the Suns for example. Philadelphia constantly makes changes at the top but they’ve yet to get past the second round
I don’t think Jimmy Butler was ever a #1 guy, everything seemed like a team effort he was just the leader
He’s a less talented but more accomplished Paul George in my view. I’d take Jimmy 9 days out of 10 but neither were really ever a legit #1
@@uncuthoopsPG seemed to be blasting harder in the regular season and Butler seemed to Blast harder in the playoffs being really clutch.
@@uncuthoopsyou remember the outburst in Minnesota
It's more so how much these older stars can make. Theres no reason PG or Chris Paul should be making what they are but they get it easily.
Don't say it too loud because Gen Z and Alpha fans believe Riley is the problem. Accountability must not be part of their moronic vocabulary
Nothing is ever the players fault when the player is going to war with the front office in their opinion
People in this comment section are throwing around so many names of other players its crazy.
Guys the whole fault ofplayers like jimmy butler being overpaid lies with GMs and coaches. Look at Pat Bev. Look at the way he makes decisions. Jimmy was definitely worth a supermax extention for his last contract but thats not jimmy anymore and everybody knows it but some sucker of a gm WILL pick him up because well.....they're desperate. Every starter that makes the playoffs nowadays just gets a bag because GMs play it. Frankly the whole system with the Max contract is flawed in my opinion. It gives players like jimmy an arbitrary line they can point to and say yeah im worth that much because others are worth that much. And look at the league. Every goddamn team has multiple players on max contracts and every guy on a max contract doesnt even play 70 games anymore.
My point is that if you bow down to players once all the players all around the league think theyre worth shit when in fact they're not.
Jimmy was carrying a subpar roster far in the postseason when a lot of so-called superstars fall under the pressure. The front office and Pat Riley aren't holding their end of the bargain and improving the team, and now it's clear they don't want to pay the man
Jimmy was paid to do that. Dude missed 28 percent of all the games last 5 years.
@pasanski yes he was paid but what did the front office do to strengthen the team failed in getting dame failed in getting spida cmon I don't like player entitlement but we should hold franchises accountable.
@@SiyabongaMokoena-nh8fp BS
Caleb Martin outplayed him in the ecf that year yet Jimmy was carrying a subpar roster foh.
He missed 28 percent and still took a G-league to sub par team to the finals 2 times in 5 years.
Hey. Jimmy got to the finals. 5 years ago. In the bubble. When he was in his 30’s.
He was like 30. He was still in his prime. He’s about to be 36 now.
Adam Silver allowed the inmates to run the asylum. This is the result.
Well, the NBA sucks now because these players are un-coachable, unskilled, and can't play on a professional level, but this also doesn't help.
Jimmy is this generation's Arenas. Talented, but he probably should have done more.
He's done way more than arenas did. He over performed and took TWO teams to the finals. Stop the nonsense.
Jimmy brought a gun to the locker room too?
Dragging a sorry team to 2 finals appearances lmaoo and you compare him to Arenas 🤣🤣🤣🤣
He better than arenas
Butler took an 8th seed team to the finals. Gilbert's biggest accomplishment was threatening to shoot Javaris crittenton.
Jimmy has intentionally been underperforming/not scoring due to the contract dispute. It has nothing to do with him being washed/aging. You should have picked up on that
Jimmy has done nothing wrong, he’s carried Miami on his back in the playoffs but Pat Riley never got him any help.
People don't get it, if Miami heat had had a decent roster, they would've or might've won 1 ring. Jimmy took them to the finals 2 times in 5 years with that G-league ahhh team.