It should also be mentioned, although this is likely retroactive "gardening" by our George, this most legendary Stark badass who rolled up to King's Landing, told everyone what to do and taught everyone about honour was definitely the internal reason for Ned's confidence in his brazen plan.
His plan was sound on paper, however, because of his morality and ideals at the time are still heavily influenced by the Arryn's high sense of honor, it was sadly not enough for Ned to establish control and stability in the capitol, if he had instead of the Stark's sense of harsh duty, and brutal honor, than it would've made his odds more secure
The man is a creative genius tbh. Its amazing how well-thought out every detail in his books truly is. He is an incredible writer and a fantastic worldbuilder, and more than anything - he is unmatched at writing memorable and complex characters. No one touches him in that department within the fantasy genre. 🙌🏾
He borrowed a lot from real life history, but it still takes talent to craft a unique fantasy world for the character's to inhabit and weave the story in such a seamless fashion, so well done to him. Phenomenal writing.
@@fairshareofdrownedsouls True, he borrows a lot from history, but the way that he 'turns it up to eleven' and adds things to historical events and characters is incredible. I have a video about the historical inspirations for Fire and Blood, so I do discuss it more in there, but GRRM is definitely a creative genius.
Yes, they absolutely can be. In fact, it's by far the most common portrayal of male relationships in media (Just to use some ASoIaF/GoT examples, Ned and Robert, Robb and Theon, Jon and Sam, Tyrion and Podrick, the list goes on). Is it so wrong to want something else?
@@CABRALFAN27 Yeah it is when it has no service to the story or plot and being a practice the majority of people like 9 out of 10 don't have any connection to at all or care to see while also not being confirmed by the author so yeah
@@CABRALFAN27 yeah cos it's the most common portrayal of male relationships in media now (meaning corrupted gay relationships, not normal uncorrupted male friendship) and that's a problem
Society is trying to emasculate men. And if you don't fall for the Idiocracy then you're deemed as "homophobic." It's a stupid forced agenda. There's nothing wrong with being straight. And we don't shove our preferences down society's throats (Pun intended).
Reading Fire and Blood, it becomes clear that Cregan Stark is a deconstruction of the typical Stark. Under the external appearance of a man of honor, in fact, hides an oppurtunist and a calculating player.
Yeah, Ned should've taken a lesson or two from Cregan. I think that Cregan survived so long because he could also play "the game" well on top of being honorable and good at times.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 to me Cregan didnt play the game well because he just killed of what was left of the game lol The game of thrones to me is more political than anything and Cregan only survives when the game is being reset with new players coming later in age
That's more likely because ned was written before cregan. Yeah you could have done things differently but that's because we the readers have the benefit of hindsight.
Agreed. I don't like how GoT treated them once they took off beyond the source material. I hope if he ever finishes the next book that he goes a completely different direction than HBO did.
When Cregan wish to destroy the remaining Greens and the other Blacks lords beg him end hostilities, his response were "When was the wolf ever moved by words"
I am geek’n out over Cregan. The first stark that we will see that will be everything we ever wanted from a Stark. I hated GOT because of what they did to the Starks. Showed them as oath breakers which inevitably got them killed. Not this time around. We will see what Starks are made of and capable of
Not sure what show YOU watched. What plethora of oaths did they supposedly break? Ned's Oath and honor is exactly what got them killed. So WTF are you talking about?
@@wadewilson8011rob broke his oath to marry one of walders daughters hence the red wedding, but i guess this was also in the books, so the show was right
@@KingTheJimand Sansa broke the oath her oath to Jon and her entire family, to keep Jon’s identity a secret. That led to Dany’s madness and the annihilation of Kings Landing.
@@KingTheJim it's slightly less shameful in the books. Robb breaks his oath because he believes he has gotten a girl who tended to him whilst injured pregnant and therefore had to marry her so's not to create a bastard. His reluctance to do this probably stems from his mothers treatment of Jon when they were growing up. Still an oath breaker but it's more a case of damned if he does, damned if he doesn't in the books.
No wonder Eddard Stark was so honorable he had the blood of Cregan Stark who can he not be so honorable I feel in love with Starks more and more I hear about them
Me too. 😭 Though there are some parts where the story is a bit ambiguous and there are multiple sources of what happened for a certain event, so I'm also very interested to see which route the show will take in that regard.
I just think its great were we got to a point in society where dudes could be friends. Dudes could get closer in friendship. Now in media we see two dudes become friends and of course there's always someone out there that has to assume they're much closer... It's such a real struggle for men to show actual emotions to our close friends and we finally got to that point a couple years ago and now... now it's juat sad...
I agree with you. We don't need these two men clapping each other's cheeks. It's okay for them to just be friends. Like, they can be close friends and not be intimate with one another. That does happen ion real life, too. 🙄
@@agm5424 Everyone can concieve of bros just being bros; That's how a majority of male relationships are portrayed. It seems more like some people just can't concieve of them ever being more than that without it being "forced".
@@GhengisGoon Aren't they? What's that based on? Of course, no one's unironically saying that they for sure _are_ gay, and indeed, it's unlikely (Not that likelihood is necessarily that important in fiction) that they are gay, but if there's no confirmation either way, there's no reason to be so defensive. More to the point, though, I was primarily responding to agm5425's argument of "Why can't bros just be bros?" and pointing out how ridiculous it is. Bros are almost always portrayed as just bros, and trying to act like they're the exception rather than the rule (Especially when talking about male homosexuality, which is underrepresented even compared to female homosexuality) is patently absurd. Gay people exist. Romance between two men can exist. Interpreting the close bond between two male characters as having romantic undertones is a valid interpretation, and if that interpretation is later shown to be correct, it's not inherently "pandering" or "forced".
@CABRALFAN27 Laenor is literally a gay character represented in the show and books. Cregan is in love with Alyssa Blackwood and making him gay would be pushing a narrative because it would change the whole story. As he literally spares Corly's life because of Alyssa agrees to marry him. So it's literally confirmed there that he's not gay.
Cragan Stark is a True Stark. He is as noble as later Starks and Ned Stark but he is very much a Stark of old. He like old Starks make Tywin pale. Their house wiped out many houses even those of their own blood to cement their rule. He plays the Games of Sword and Blood not of Thrones. This is why in the vast North was why one King ruled them. They kept them all in check and a Reagan would be feared by Tywin if he was as smart as he appears for if Ned or Robb had been Cretan come again even Lions would tremble.
@@heartlesslove9084 That would be a fun series. But did George write enough material to base an entire series on him??? The things that have been written are not as detailed and thorough as Fire and Blood is. So I don't know if it would be a great idea. 🤔
@@thecriticalmaester9702It could be titled "The Kings of Winter." How the Starks came to conquer and rule the entire North. The ancient Starks are formidable characters. They remind me of the ancient Danes. It could be Intermingled with all the legend and myths of the North like the children, the corpse queen, the she wolves of the North, Brandon Ice Eyes, Brandon the Builder e.t.c. playing in the background. Done well, it would be an exciting fantasy series of its own.
I love this character, but there’s nothing more irritating than seeing people actually push for him and Jace polishing each others pipes in the north while the realm is at war and he’s meant to be rallying the north.
But he beds the bastard sister anyway... Not saying I agree to the theory but clearly Jace had more than the war in mind. Guess you should be irritated at what actually did happen too then
Only if Ned had his ruthless but Ned is a special breed where we don’t see in a grey world like this he was a honorably man where he give cerise the benefit of the doubt he was a good men that care for everybody
Cregan Stark - (goes South and finds a scared lonely Targaryen baby boy) : "Imma murder anyone who hurts a hair on his head." Surely that won't become a trend.
My favorite house of game of thrones is the Starks of Winterfell beacuse i live in the nordic country and they are acutally the only house you can say has no bad guys in it ❤🐺 Edit: i know that the were bad guys in the history
In the books, the ancient Starks were even more brutal than the Tygaryens. The North is the largest region in all the seven kingdoms. The Starks conquered it all and ruled it for centuries. They didn't do it by being the "good guys." They were brutal and merciless war lords who did everything to conquer and keep the region. It's the "bad Starks", that secured the north for the "good starks". The good Starks i.e Torrhen, Ned, Rob e.t.c. lost the kingdom of the North to the Tygaryens and later to the Boltons.
If you think starks are good guys, boy oh boy do I news for you. Letting aside the brutalities of the king of winter in their conquest of the north which in itself grants them a secured spot in the bad guys list, the books hint strongly on Starks mating with the Others(White walkers).
I don’t think there are enough depictions of deep and healthy male friendships on TV so I’d like it to be a friendship rather than a sexual relationship. Either that, or I’d like to see a Creagan as a “dark Stark” with Creagan and Sara playing politics with Jace from the beginning.
The hour of the wolf is more than likely the reason no one tried to get the north involved with the blackfyre rebellions. "Damn it leave them Northerners alone we dont need them coming down here executing everyone left from the war" 😂
So Cregan stark basically did nothing during the war except send the winter wolves? And then he pulled a Tywin Lannister and went to kings landing when all dust was settled?
Yeah, I saw that. And there's now stills of the character with Jace at the Wall. It's a major change from the book and I hope that it's handled well. The show hasn't been good at handling changes to the story so far (remember that whole Rhaenys incident 🙄).
@@alexmartin3143 And they can't ignore that incident. The smallfolks matter to the story, so they better use that incident to show how the Greens win the people of King's Landing over their side. It will make sense for future events. 🤔
The writers and the showrunner are going around screaming it at the top of rooftops... but I agree - I wouldn't say that this show is book-accurate in a lot of ways. Changing Alicent's age is already an incidiction of deviating from the book, so Cregan's storyline might also be another deviation... but we'll see if it's a good one. 😓
@@TheGoodLuc of course he was forgiven by aegon the third he took out the guy who had the previous job n was an enemy to his mother lol that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be executed if everyone else who took a part in the poisoning were killed
Agreed!! I think it’s just the whole mystery of the North in general + the fact that Starks have been there for thousands of years, meanwhile it’s only been 3 centuries since The Conqueror. It’s basically the blink of an eye in comparison to how long the Starks have been ruling the North - just a little footnote in their history books, whereas for everyone else, it’s their entire history. Crazy badasses!
You mean to tell me that we’ve had all this cool stuff happening elsewhere, but all we’ve gotten is this bore they’ve given us in HOD ? I’d rather see all of this going on rather than Daemon hallucinating at Harrenhall
I'm looking forward to seeing more of Cregan in HOTD. I hope they at least feature more of him with Jacaerys since they were supposed to have become really close. They showed them getting along alright at the Wall, but nothing like the book does, where they had supposedly become like brothers over the months that Jacaerys spent in the North. I'm not sure how much time was supposed to make lapsed in the show. I can imagine the quiet fury that characters like Cregan are famous for upon learning of his death.
none of them could ever have killed ser criston cole,coz there were big chicks....cregan stark did nothing eventually married the woman and went back to sweet north
The part with Cregan executing people with Ice reminds me of Ned in the first season. It turns out he executed an innocent man after all. That would've torn him up. I wouldn't have been surprised if he chose to take the black and ride north over it.
The only stark I have any love or respect for. Even after the war was pretty much over and the greens were reduced to orphans and widows. He still wanted them punished because he had enough foresight to know that women and children could still pose a threat especially now that the royal family was reduced to the boy king, his two sisters and their cousin the usurpers’ daughter not to mention all their dragons were dead, save for the one wild dragon, cannibal and sheepstealer
Glad you like it. I had to do it because I noticed how I kept saying the word every time, so... but I think people that watch my videos are just used to it now. 🤣🤣
Or, he sat on his hands and stayed North of the neck for as long as possible. He then came South and (figuring the warring was over) tried to dictate terms in the capital. Secured fiefdoms and positions of status for all the baseborn lads and second sons who came with him. Leveraged the life of Lord Corlys to secure a noble southern bride. Fucked off when it became evident he couldn’t squeeze anything more out of the gig. Didn’t do a single thing for Rhaenyra whilst she was alive? Needed convincing to uphold House Stark’s vow to defend her claim? Traitor in my opinion. Perhaps even a secret Green.
He's neither traitor no secret green. Just your average politician hedging his bets Cregan was right not to rush his men south especially when that maniac Aemond was burning down Blacks left and right in the Riverlands. Cregan as a Lord had a duty to protect his people and none of that involved rushing south to get his men bathed by dragonflame because one inbred depraved incompetent idiot was fighting another inbred depraved incompetent idiot over a fancy chair. It was politic to let the morons weaken one another before making his move I mean these people had power, wealth and dragons and all they had to do to preserve it was not to fuck things up. Instead they fucked things up and crippled their house for generations after.
Not a traitor, the Starks are not oathbreakers (generally), but he is cunning and opportunistic. He is the sole winner of the Dance and managed to secure peace and put the whole conflict to rest. He basically severed the cycle of feuds and vengeance the noble houses would've been trapped in after deaths of Aegon 2 and Rhaenyra.
@@fidalf99 Just because Ned was “noble” to a fault (which lead to his death) and Robb seemed a pretty decent fellow, don’t assume all their forebears were beyond a bit of scheming. Brandon (Ned’s older brother) was parading around the North sticking it to any bit of quim that succumbed to his charms whilst he was betrothed to Catelyn Tully (that’s oath-breaking) and - evidently - Ned had a dalliance with somebody (perhaps Ashara Dayne) and/or hid a Targaryen with a decent claim to the throne from his King and best friend, so that’s another example of betrayal. Those books (the Rogue Prince and the Princess and the Queen) aren’t told from the third-person limited perspective, they are spun by the author and his sources (most of whom were Maesters, batting for the Green faction). Read beyond the text, analyse what is purported to be established fact or maybe just watch a few Preston Jacobs videos (dealing with Fire and Blood). ✌🏻
Yeah but that would take away from the whole concept of the North being a huge, vast kingdom with an army that takes months to actually gather. In A Game of Thrones (the book), Robb takes months to gather his army before he marches south... and even then his army is still not in full strength. There are still men coming to Winterfell by the time that he gets to Moat Caitlin, and Bran even marvels at the bright banners and shaggy men pouring into the castle yard.
A dwarf jester at court who supposedly left an account of the events and is one of the sources for the war, the others being a septon (Eustace) and a maester (Munkun). These sources sometimes contradict each other or differ greatly and sometimes agree on what happened. Mushroom is foul mouthed and most interested in "spicy" staff.
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It should also be mentioned, although this is likely retroactive "gardening" by our George, this most legendary Stark badass who rolled up to King's Landing, told everyone what to do and taught everyone about honour was definitely the internal reason for Ned's confidence in his brazen plan.
Well said!!
Sadly Ned was raised more Arryn than Stark
His plan was sound on paper, however, because of his morality and ideals at the time are still heavily influenced by the Arryn's high sense of honor, it was sadly not enough for Ned to establish control and stability in the capitol, if he had instead of the Stark's sense of harsh duty, and brutal honor, than it would've made his odds more secure
It blows my mind how George created this universe with such rich and interesting history and story telling.
The man is a creative genius tbh. Its amazing how well-thought out every detail in his books truly is. He is an incredible writer and a fantastic worldbuilder, and more than anything - he is unmatched at writing memorable and complex characters. No one touches him in that department within the fantasy genre. 🙌🏾
He borrowed a lot from real life history, but it still takes talent to craft a unique fantasy world for the character's to inhabit and weave the story in such a seamless fashion, so well done to him. Phenomenal writing.
@@fairshareofdrownedsouls True, he borrows a lot from history, but the way that he 'turns it up to eleven' and adds things to historical events and characters is incredible. I have a video about the historical inspirations for Fire and Blood, so I do discuss it more in there, but GRRM is definitely a creative genius.
@@fairshareofdrownedsoulshe borrowed some from "Lord of the rings" also let's be real! I'm not mad at that because Tolken too was a genius!
It blows my mind that he can keep expanding the universe while the original series hasn't been updated in 13 years
Jesus christ can two guys not just be best bros without being gay?
Yes, they absolutely can be. In fact, it's by far the most common portrayal of male relationships in media (Just to use some ASoIaF/GoT examples, Ned and Robert, Robb and Theon, Jon and Sam, Tyrion and Podrick, the list goes on). Is it so wrong to want something else?
@@CABRALFAN27 Yeah it is when it has no service to the story or plot and being a practice the majority of people like 9 out of 10 don't have any connection to at all or care to see while also not being confirmed by the author so yeah
@@CABRALFAN27 yeah cos it's the most common portrayal of male relationships in media now (meaning corrupted gay relationships, not normal uncorrupted male friendship) and that's a problem
Society is trying to emasculate men. And if you don't fall for the Idiocracy then you're deemed as "homophobic." It's a stupid forced agenda. There's nothing wrong with being straight. And we don't shove our preferences down society's throats (Pun intended).
I cant imagine gays in the north plz... not starks.
So basically house Stark was like "ok kids play time is over, way past your bedtime"
+a few beheadings, minor threats of continuing the war to the get em off to bed
Reading Fire and Blood, it becomes clear that Cregan Stark is a deconstruction of the typical Stark. Under the external appearance of a man of honor, in fact, hides an oppurtunist and a calculating player.
As it should be. If Ned were like Cregan, he'd at least be much better off.
Yeah, Ned should've taken a lesson or two from Cregan. I think that Cregan survived so long because he could also play "the game" well on top of being honorable and good at times.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 to me Cregan didnt play the game well because he just killed of what was left of the game lol The game of thrones to me is more political than anything and Cregan only survives when the game is being reset with new players coming later in age
That's more likely because ned was written before cregan. Yeah you could have done things differently but that's because we the readers have the benefit of hindsight.
Yup, I don’t think that’s a bad thing either
I hope the Starks are portrayed well in the show. I can't wait. 👍
Agreed. I don't like how GoT treated them once they took off beyond the source material. I hope if he ever finishes the next book that he goes a completely different direction than HBO did.
I’m with you. The Starks never break a vow.
When Cregan wish to destroy the remaining Greens and the other Blacks lords beg him end hostilities, his response were "When was the wolf ever moved by words"
Reminds me of Pompey “stop quoting laws we have swords”
It was Larys Strong the Clubfoot who said that to Cregan, when Cregan asked him if he had any last words.
I am geek’n out over Cregan. The first stark that we will see that will be everything we ever wanted from a Stark. I hated GOT because of what they did to the Starks. Showed them as oath breakers which inevitably got them killed. Not this time around. We will see what Starks are made of and capable of
Not sure what show YOU watched. What plethora of oaths did they supposedly break? Ned's Oath and honor is exactly what got them killed. So WTF are you talking about?
@@wadewilson8011rob broke his oath to marry one of walders daughters hence the red wedding, but i guess this was also in the books, so the show was right
@@KingTheJimand Sansa broke the oath her oath to Jon and her entire family, to keep Jon’s identity a secret. That led to Dany’s madness and the annihilation of Kings Landing.
@@KingTheJim it's slightly less shameful in the books. Robb breaks his oath because he believes he has gotten a girl who tended to him whilst injured pregnant and therefore had to marry her so's not to create a bastard. His reluctance to do this probably stems from his mothers treatment of Jon when they were growing up. Still an oath breaker but it's more a case of damned if he does, damned if he doesn't in the books.
I guess but Cregan surely took his time coming down south and wanted to usurp power from the other lords once he got to kingslanding
Cregan Stark is the epitome of the saying like a boss
Robb Stark's simp blood was passed down by Cregan, got it!
Pretty much, yeah 🤣🤣🤣
The hour of the wolf will set upon us soon
The Lord of Fuck around and Find out
Ha! Love it…
No wonder Eddard Stark was so honorable he had the blood of Cregan Stark who can he not be so honorable I feel in love with Starks more and more I hear about them
If they make Cregan Stark and Jacaerys fucking gay, and try to pollute the Stark blood line again, I will stop watching that show.
The woke-pollution of Martin’s masterpiece is never ending. The way they portrayed the Targaryen’s showed they would stop at nothing.
Where's the bloody maester?
🙋🏾♂️😂
I hope they stay true to the book
Me too. 😭 Though there are some parts where the story is a bit ambiguous and there are multiple sources of what happened for a certain event, so I'm also very interested to see which route the show will take in that regard.
I just think its great were we got to a point in society where dudes could be friends. Dudes could get closer in friendship. Now in media we see two dudes become friends and of course there's always someone out there that has to assume they're much closer...
It's such a real struggle for men to show actual emotions to our close friends and we finally got to that point a couple years ago and now... now it's juat sad...
I agree with you. We don't need these two men clapping each other's cheeks. It's okay for them to just be friends. Like, they can be close friends and not be intimate with one another. That does happen ion real life, too. 🙄
Baela isn't a Velaryon. Her father is Daemon Targaryen. So she is Baela Targaryen.
She only became a Velaryon when she married Alyn.
People need to stop making character's gay that aren't because you can make a original one and have it mean more
They're so obsessed with exs that they can't convince of bros just being bros.
@@agm5424 Everyone can concieve of bros just being bros; That's how a majority of male relationships are portrayed. It seems more like some people just can't concieve of them ever being more than that without it being "forced".
@CABRALFAN27 Because there not gay what's so hard to understand?
@@GhengisGoon Aren't they? What's that based on? Of course, no one's unironically saying that they for sure _are_ gay, and indeed, it's unlikely (Not that likelihood is necessarily that important in fiction) that they are gay, but if there's no confirmation either way, there's no reason to be so defensive.
More to the point, though, I was primarily responding to agm5425's argument of "Why can't bros just be bros?" and pointing out how ridiculous it is. Bros are almost always portrayed as just bros, and trying to act like they're the exception rather than the rule (Especially when talking about male homosexuality, which is underrepresented even compared to female homosexuality) is patently absurd.
Gay people exist. Romance between two men can exist. Interpreting the close bond between two male characters as having romantic undertones is a valid interpretation, and if that interpretation is later shown to be correct, it's not inherently "pandering" or "forced".
@CABRALFAN27 Laenor is literally a gay character represented in the show and books. Cregan is in love with Alyssa Blackwood and making him gay would be pushing a narrative because it would change the whole story. As he literally spares Corly's life because of Alyssa agrees to marry him. So it's literally confirmed there that he's not gay.
Cragan Stark is a True Stark. He is as noble as later Starks and Ned Stark but he is very much a Stark of old. He like old Starks make Tywin pale. Their house wiped out many houses even those of their own blood to cement their rule. He plays the Games of Sword and Blood not of Thrones. This is why in the vast North was why one King ruled them. They kept them all in check and a Reagan would be feared by Tywin if he was as smart as he appears for if Ned or Robb had been Cretan come again even Lions would tremble.
we need to have a tv series about the stark
Yeah, but which one would be interesting enough??? 🤔
@@thecriticalmaester9702theon stark the hungry wolf
That's what I'm saying! The series is literally A Song of ICE and Fire. We need a Stark/Nothern series to complement House of the Dragon
@@heartlesslove9084 That would be a fun series. But did George write enough material to base an entire series on him??? The things that have been written are not as detailed and thorough as Fire and Blood is. So I don't know if it would be a great idea. 🤔
@@thecriticalmaester9702It could be titled "The Kings of Winter." How the Starks came to conquer and rule the entire North. The ancient Starks are formidable characters. They remind me of the ancient Danes. It could be Intermingled with all the legend and myths of the North like the children, the corpse queen, the she wolves of the North, Brandon Ice Eyes, Brandon the Builder e.t.c. playing in the background. Done well, it would be an exciting fantasy series of its own.
most starks in the book fire and blood are badass and smart
not like the new stark in asofi
I love this character, but there’s nothing more irritating than seeing people actually push for him and Jace polishing each others pipes in the north while the realm is at war and he’s meant to be rallying the north.
But he beds the bastard sister anyway... Not saying I agree to the theory but clearly Jace had more than the war in mind. Guess you should be irritated at what actually did happen too then
lol sorry I love this comment.
Idk what it is about a English accent telling stories about game of thrones but I can’t get enough of it
Only if Ned had his ruthless but Ned is a special breed where we don’t see in a grey world like this he was a honorably man where he give cerise the benefit of the doubt he was a good men that care for everybody
Cregan Stark - (goes South and finds a scared lonely Targaryen baby boy) : "Imma murder anyone who hurts a hair on his head."
Surely that won't become a trend.
My favorite house of game of thrones is the Starks of Winterfell beacuse i live in the nordic country and they are acutally the only house you can say has no bad guys in it
❤🐺
Edit: i know that the were bad guys in the history
In the books, the ancient Starks were even more brutal than the Tygaryens. The North is the largest region in all the seven kingdoms. The Starks conquered it all and ruled it for centuries. They didn't do it by being the "good guys." They were brutal and merciless war lords who did everything to conquer and keep the region. It's the "bad Starks", that secured the north for the "good starks". The good Starks i.e Torrhen, Ned, Rob e.t.c. lost the kingdom of the North to the Tygaryens and later to the Boltons.
If you think starks are good guys, boy oh boy do I news for you. Letting aside the brutalities of the king of winter in their conquest of the north which in itself grants them a secured spot in the bad guys list, the books hint strongly on Starks mating with the Others(White walkers).
@@samwelsuleiman it is true they were brutal but if you compare other house you can say every house has a bad history
Maybe it’s time to leave for a sunny paradise
Cregan should have destroyed the Lannisters after the sh*t they done to his family in the future. 😂
lannisters always bitch..in the past and in the future...it never changes...
@4:35 people be some weirdos. When ever there 2 guy depicted as close, no romance, some certain people want to say there gey.
Cregan being gay with Jacaerys is crazy, but I feel like it’s a move the show would pull 🤦🏾♂️😅
All TV shows and media push gay propaganda. I think shows are excluded from awards if they don’t push that narrative.
I kind of hope not, I would prefer a strong friendship this time
I think I also prefer the strong friendship route, but idk. Maybe they could make it work. 🤔
@@thecriticalmaester9702 no, stop.
I don’t think there are enough depictions of deep and healthy male friendships on TV so I’d like it to be a friendship rather than a sexual relationship. Either that, or I’d like to see a Creagan as a “dark Stark” with Creagan and Sara playing politics with Jace from the beginning.
They should have atleast given him a"Stark" beard.
Probably gonna be a time skip
The hour of the wolf is more than likely the reason no one tried to get the north involved with the blackfyre rebellions. "Damn it leave them Northerners alone we dont need them coming down here executing everyone left from the war" 😂
The king of simps
One of the best characters in the Game Of Thrones,, just the preview is a great scene. I know all can't wait to see
So Cregan stark basically did nothing during the war except send the winter wolves? And then he pulled a Tywin Lannister and went to kings landing when all dust was settled?
We saw a quick shot of him at the wall with Jace…
Yeah, I saw that. And there's now stills of the character with Jace at the Wall. It's a major change from the book and I hope that it's handled well. The show hasn't been good at handling changes to the story so far (remember that whole Rhaenys incident 🙄).
@@thecriticalmaester9702 Yeah, feel bad for Rhaenys…
@@alexmartin3143 And they can't ignore that incident. The smallfolks matter to the story, so they better use that incident to show how the Greens win the people of King's Landing over their side. It will make sense for future events. 🤔
seriously that stark and velaryon fan art is make me sick, it's disgusting
God vid. I hope they tell the tale over a couple of seasons as part of the dance of dragons series.
Cregan Stark is the actual gigachad of this series.
Lol this accent sounds almost south African
I still refuse to watch this bullsh!t show. Love the books though.
Cregan is going to save this crap show of a show!! I'm calling it now..
I heard the show was really good.
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For the algorithm
What an amazing character!! They better make him a HUGE deal in the show!
5:38 huh? when did the show become canon?
The writers and the showrunner are going around screaming it at the top of rooftops... but I agree - I wouldn't say that this show is book-accurate in a lot of ways. Changing Alicent's age is already an incidiction of deviating from the book, so Cregan's storyline might also be another deviation... but we'll see if it's a good one. 😓
Not exactly a just man….he spared Corlys over a women even though he admitted to the poisoning but all the others were killed 😂
Actually Corlys was forgiven by Aegon the Third.
@@TheGoodLuc of course he was forgiven by aegon the third he took out the guy who had the previous job n was an enemy to his mother lol that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be executed if everyone else who took a part in the poisoning were killed
@@jjosifovic True. I'll banish him to the Wall, though.
I'd like to think the lady convinced him of the man's usefulness. She just used a sweeter tone and softer words to reason with Cregan.
Cregan appeared in episode 2 of Hot D only for 4 minutes and 12 seconds and he stole the episode. Starks are something else.
Agreed!!
I think it’s just the whole mystery of the North in general + the fact that Starks have been there for thousands of years, meanwhile it’s only been 3 centuries since The Conqueror. It’s basically the blink of an eye in comparison to how long the Starks have been ruling the North - just a little footnote in their history books, whereas for everyone else, it’s their entire history.
Crazy badasses!
0:01 he’s a guy with a cool fucking name I know that. I am going to now name one of my Space Marine sargents Creagan.
Brothers being brothers
8:32 I cannot wait for this scene. I Can’t stand the guy.. 😅
Why does everyone hate him so much?
I like your stuff gd work fam
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Cregan was never regent to Aegon III.
Why even mention weird internet gay shipping?
Cregan must be rolling in his grave million times over seeing how dumb his descendants had become during ASOIAF
You mean to tell me that we’ve had all this cool stuff happening elsewhere, but all we’ve gotten is this bore they’ve given us in HOD ? I’d rather see all of this going on rather than Daemon hallucinating at Harrenhall
The Starks deserve a history book the same as House Targaryen, there the opposite of them and have rich history and lore
“Cregan and Jacaerys were lovers!”🥴
Freaking weirdos, I swear.
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why does he punish poisoners???? aegon 2 is evil and he also wants to kill him...
yea why would two young men like,respect and value each other as brothers? pppft they must be lovers.
It's truly amazing that someone wrote all this..
Bro spoiler warnings…the fuck?
I'm looking forward to seeing more of Cregan in HOTD. I hope they at least feature more of him with Jacaerys since they were supposed to have become really close. They showed them getting along alright at the Wall, but nothing like the book does, where they had supposedly become like brothers over the months that Jacaerys spent in the North. I'm not sure how much time was supposed to make lapsed in the show. I can imagine the quiet fury that characters like Cregan are famous for upon learning of his death.
You can't trust mushroom... 5 minutes later mushroom said this. 😅
Idk how I've never seen your content before! Great essay on a fascinating character! I'm about to dive into your library. Well done!
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Bra, where you from? You sound South African. I'll subscribe just for that.
none of them could ever have killed ser criston cole,coz there were big chicks....cregan stark did nothing eventually married the woman and went back to sweet north
Good video 💯
Thank you. 💙
Man it’s crazy every time there is some nice bromance people want it to be « gay »
The part with Cregan executing people with Ice reminds me of Ned in the first season. It turns out he executed an innocent man after all. That would've torn him up. I wouldn't have been surprised if he chose to take the black and ride north over it.
Turns out Andy DID kill his brother
When did prince aemond and cregan stark engage in battle?
I just cannot wait for the show watchers to finally see what I see for Cregan Stark the Old Wolf!
Nothing romantic. Please don’t go there HOTD
HOWEVER
@@RichieAprile45 The amount of people that have noticed this and commented it in the comments section - I might just put it on a shirt 😅
Yeah and then he just left King’s Landing and returned to Winterfell.
4:20 you just know that the show is gonna turn them gay now. 🤦🏽♂️z
Why was he a great warrior if he never even fought in the war
This whole story just got ridiculous with no end.
Lannisters always fucking around and finding out
The only stark I have any love or respect for. Even after the war was pretty much over and the greens were reduced to orphans and widows. He still wanted them punished because he had enough foresight to know that women and children could still pose a threat especially now that the royal family was reduced to the boy king, his two sisters and their cousin the usurpers’ daughter not to mention all their dragons were dead, save for the one wild dragon, cannibal and sheepstealer
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i guess we will see this part in season 4.
cregan is an honorable man
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching 💙
This video didn’t age well. Cause Cregan and Jace scene was disapointing
The show let us down fr. 😭
Love the cuts to the big and bold blue font HOWEVER😂😂
Glad you like it. I had to do it because I noticed how I kept saying the word every time, so... but I think people that watch my videos are just used to it now. 🤣🤣
The Tywin in the north
1:08 Wtf
In the new season of the recent show, I was very surprised to see Mormon missionaries on dragons appear!
Baela Targaryen*
Who did this and why 4:49
What’s with the sWord pronunciation?
A force of habit 😭 Ya'll are really coming after me about it, though 😅
Let's face facts rhaenyras sons are bastards not legitimate Targeyan Aegon is the rightful Blood King
Or, he sat on his hands and stayed North of the neck for as long as possible. He then came South and (figuring the warring was over) tried to dictate terms in the capital.
Secured fiefdoms and positions of status for all the baseborn lads and second sons who came with him. Leveraged the life of Lord Corlys to secure a noble southern bride. Fucked off when it became evident he couldn’t squeeze anything more out of the gig.
Didn’t do a single thing for Rhaenyra whilst she was alive? Needed convincing to uphold House Stark’s vow to defend her claim? Traitor in my opinion. Perhaps even a secret Green.
He's neither traitor no secret green. Just your average politician hedging his bets
Cregan was right not to rush his men south especially when that maniac Aemond was burning down Blacks left and right in the Riverlands.
Cregan as a Lord had a duty to protect his people and none of that involved rushing south to get his men bathed by dragonflame because one inbred depraved incompetent idiot was fighting another inbred depraved incompetent idiot over a fancy chair.
It was politic to let the morons weaken one another before making his move
I mean these people had power, wealth and dragons and all they had to do to preserve it was not to fuck things up.
Instead they fucked things up and crippled their house for generations after.
Not a traitor, the Starks are not oathbreakers (generally), but he is cunning and opportunistic. He is the sole winner of the Dance and managed to secure peace and put the whole conflict to rest. He basically severed the cycle of feuds and vengeance the noble houses would've been trapped in after deaths of Aegon 2 and Rhaenyra.
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Just because Ned was “noble” to a fault (which lead to his death) and Robb seemed a pretty decent fellow, don’t assume all their forebears were beyond a bit of scheming.
Brandon (Ned’s older brother) was parading around the North sticking it to any bit of quim that succumbed to his charms whilst he was betrothed to Catelyn Tully (that’s oath-breaking) and - evidently - Ned had a dalliance with somebody (perhaps Ashara Dayne) and/or hid a Targaryen with a decent claim to the throne from his King and best friend, so that’s another example of betrayal.
Those books (the Rogue Prince and the Princess and the Queen) aren’t told from the third-person limited perspective, they are spun by the author and his sources (most of whom were Maesters, batting for the Green faction). Read beyond the text, analyse what is purported to be established fact or maybe just watch a few Preston Jacobs videos (dealing with Fire and Blood). ✌🏻
One change that might be cool would be if his main force gets to actually fight
Yeah but that would take away from the whole concept of the North being a huge, vast kingdom with an army that takes months to actually gather. In A Game of Thrones (the book), Robb takes months to gather his army before he marches south... and even then his army is still not in full strength. There are still men coming to Winterfell by the time that he gets to Moat Caitlin, and Bran even marvels at the bright banners and shaggy men pouring into the castle yard.
It was never Cregan's intention for bulk of northern forces to fight in the actual Dance. He was much more cunning than he's given credit for.
Superb video 🙌🏼
1:10 The "w" in "sword" is silent.
My bad, bro 😅
Another Awesome video! 👍
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I never read the books. Who TF is "MUSHROOM"???
A dwarf jester at court who supposedly left an account of the events and is one of the sources for the war, the others being a septon (Eustace) and a maester (Munkun). These sources sometimes contradict each other or differ greatly and sometimes agree on what happened. Mushroom is foul mouthed and most interested in "spicy" staff.
HOWEVER
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