YG is a great example of this, especially with their style and older music. (Big Bang, Bang Bang Bang etc). Just an observation I've made, I still love YG of course.
@@norabeckwith6893😂 again, they’re groups take a lot of concepts heavily influenced my black prople ( R&b , jazz , pop, rap , soul , etc ) .But keep playing
With ateez in general but especially Hongjoong they’ve made it clear in so many ways just how supportive they are of everybody, including poc and queer people From Hongjoong writing and producing a song about how regardless of your race, appearance, gender, we all deserve to be loved and congratulated just for existing, to Wooyoung giving dating advice to a gay fanboy Hongjoong mentioning multiple times how the queer community inspires him and how he loves Michael Jackson for speaking on social issues and how he wants us all to become one regardless of race, how during kingdom when they had to make a song for mayfly with the rap unit he came up with the idea of speaking on racism, Shortly after George Floyd passed they tweeted about it, saying “we stand in solidarity with those who have given their lives for the right to be heard” these are just a few of the many many things he and the rest of them constantly do to make me believe they genuinely care, because they never pass up an opportunity to tell us how they feel
@loveoflife3081 I believe the song refrenced here is "Celebrate." When it was released, they spoke about it being an inclusive uplifting song meant to tell listeners it's okay to be yourself- in any form or shape.
When I saw P1harmony's interview on The Zach Sang I was pleasantly surprised that Keeho not only talked openly about cultural appropriation but that they take into consideration when it comes to all aspect of their music. It's one of my favorite interview and it definitely made me a bigger fan of theirs.
As a desi ateez stan with the recent scandal of San singing the curry song when desi fandom asked for accountability directly from the said idol, some k-stans and turkish were quick to attack the desi fanbase and then also went to attack black stans because they were standing behind desi voices. POC can never catch a break tbh like.
No, only the company apologized this was when ATEEZ were on tour. Kq either deleted or private the video and apologized on twitter. I can’t remember what every desi said but I remember one desi not accepting the apology I’m sure other desi may had accepted the apology the so far I can only remember seeing one desi not
This incident still hurts my soul, I'm a black person and it makes me uncomfortable that they had the audacity to sing that song despite the countless times other idols have gotten in trouble for singing it. I'm still an atiny but I really feel y'all's pain and it's crazy that other people were attacking y'all for being rightfully upset at the situation.
9:23 Not to mention that in 2014 BTS went to L.A. to learn about the history and significance of hip hop to the black community and American culture in general. They got lessons from Warren G and Coolio (rip) and some other people essentially gaining more depth and respect for hip hop and rap music overall Loving that jhope freestyle dances to underrated artist when he did hope on the street 9:41 The funny part of V loving jazz is that he is loving black culture with that as well lol whether he knows that or not
K-pop was heavily influenced by black music and black culture and K-pop like you said they take things that are trending and juts use Korean lyrics and that’s how K-pop comes together and your right they do see us and they do have to make decisions and how to approach different cultures in a respectful way and manner
I think people tend to forget that Namjoon and Yoongi were underground rappers before going into kpop.. Hence why bfree was an ass towards them.. So even though BTS was put together, Namjoon amd Yoongi have been hip hop heads/fans hence why his mentioning of those rappers and appreciation for the art form didn't surprise me
@@IndigoDetry Yeah and one thing about XG is they will name their favorite black artists and favorite hip hop / r&b songs from late 90s - early 2000s. They actually study and respect black music unlike most other groups that just take and don’t acknowledge where they get influenced from. They have no problem collaborating with black artists as well and use black producers for some of their songs.
the XG girls can rap. Wild 😂 don't know their music deeply, so I have no idea if there's any substance/story lol, but at least 3 of them have genuine talent at rapping from the handful of videos I've seen so far. Nervous about appropriation or antiblackness, but I'm cautiously intrigued lol
So, this is at the intersection of a genuine question I have about manifesting- or at least your perspective on it. There are many in the manifesting community that would say you talking about this or focusing on this is what is making this a problem for you in your reality. They say to shift your state, shift your focus and revise the circumstances. For me, since creation is finished, I feel that there must be a version of the 3D that is ideal, but also addresses this issue in a way where equity and justice are present. But there are literally coaches who share the perspective that empathy is bad and is essentially turning yourself into a victim. Others still, say do what you want, you're God and you can't be wrong, so 'oh well, haters gon hate.' It's frustrating, and very few coaches ever even said anything about BLM, or demonstrate any kind of show of solidarity. Ever. It's some of them talked about not ignoring the 3D, and being human and still having emotions. Now I genuinely do think that some coaches don't talk too much about this because they really do think that focussing on it will make it worse, and internally they are empathic to the matter. I can respect if they do feel for everybody and their situation, and try to internally focus on a better outcome... But I think it would be helpful two name that that is what's going on, at least. So, just wondering... What are your thoughts?
my biggest thing is just that the groups who are appropriating - including my faves - often just... cant do hip hop or r&b justice under the entertainment frameworks theyre under. There are definitely exceptions and K Rap and J Rap are different - this is more about idols and pop music - but if you can't talk about sex or politics or your trauma, then it's not rap or hip hop. Rap is freedom and authenticity. If you force your artist to act like a virgin who has never touched weed, then I'm sorry but they can't develop their artist4y or authenticity as a rapper lol. Theyre not a "bad boy," theyre a good corporate employee. Western "rappers" face the same scrutiny - just look how Drake is being exposed rn as basically using hip hop as a costume to sell albums at Target.
Unrelated but under the same umbrella, also how so many K-Pop fans will just try to change up the meaning for certain things in certain words because they didn't fit what their idols are. And I think that's really messed up. Like, I think so many K-Pop fans try to change what the word rapper means or what rap means because their fave doesn't write their own raps. For instance, I saw the other day under a kpop unpopular opinion video comment under video where somebody was like "I also think that rappers don't need to write their own raps to be called a rapper!" Girl, that's literally the point of being a rapper, You write your own raps. You're fav who performs a rap which was written for them, is a great performer but they're not a rapper. And if they are, they're a idol rapper. Mind you I have ults who don't write their raps, but I can accept this. Or those who act like rapping is just "fast singing" like the amount of K-pop fans who show they don't care about someone else's culture and music just because it's a AA/Black genre is a large amount.
i’m a red velvet stan because they’re inspired by en vogue and other black 90s girl groups. although, wendy did have that controversy with her “blaccent” and i was disappointed. red velvet supports black artists, producers, and the lgbtq (which is why they are a favorite group among the queer community in korea). when i meet other black red velvet fans they are typically deep old school r&b heads, or they are older like gen x or older millennials and i love that.
Tbh I was almost a big rv fan until Wendy did the blaccent thing, but what really hurt me was when she said black women are scary. And since SM never lets their artists apologize, I kind of just stopped stanning their groups cause I was just tired of being disappointed. I do still listen to them casually though. I really like Jin's song with her.
@@bluesidecollection It's crazy how sm doesn't "let" their idols apologize but lets fans control whether an idol should be in a group or not due to a past relationship. Karina also apologized for being in a relationship( which is insane) so they should have no problem letting their idols apologize for being ignorant.
its quite sad how black Kpop fans praise these groups for the bare minimum and I can't understand why black people can't take the hint that this industry is not for us. What's even worse is seeing how some black female Kpop/kdrama Stans act and the validation they seek from Korean/asian men.
Fr, so many black people are proud kpop fans when it's actually embarrassing to support a genre that consistently degrades you. You look like you have no self-esteem.
No RM wanted the black hairstyles and hd once sdated on a Korean entertainment show that he specializes in Blaccent. I am African American raised in Atlanta went to college in New Jersey and I do not know what speaking Blaccent/AAVE is💯💅🏾💃🏿
Because they are stealing Black culture and music. Just got to the original source where the dancing and singing is better by black artists. I get that Asians audiences wanted black music with Asian faces, but when K-pop went international, you have to call out this appropriation.
Yet, none of theses artist me tikn in this video the ad ever recognized Blachswan or specifically Fatou Samba as a Korean female rapper/idol. Vut then again mist black stans don't support her because be she is not Asian.
@lucyandecember2843 It was a sample of a Jim Jones speech. Jim jones is a horrible person who was a cult leader who orchestred mass suicide/murder of 900 people.
Because it's hip hop and heavily black inspired music, just with the kpop label slapped on it.
YG is a great example of this, especially with their style and older music. (Big Bang, Bang Bang Bang etc). Just an observation I've made, I still love YG of course.
pretty much said it 😂!
It's More than that don't forget Koreans have Korean traditional concepts too but y'all never pay attention to it
@@norabeckwith6893😂 again, they’re groups take a lot of concepts heavily influenced my black prople ( R&b , jazz , pop, rap , soul , etc ) .But keep playing
With ateez in general but especially Hongjoong they’ve made it clear in so many ways just how supportive they are of everybody, including poc and queer people
From Hongjoong writing and producing a song about how regardless of your race, appearance, gender, we all deserve to be loved and congratulated just for existing, to Wooyoung giving dating advice to a gay fanboy
Hongjoong mentioning multiple times how the queer community inspires him and how he loves Michael Jackson for speaking on social issues and how he wants us all to become one regardless of race, how during kingdom when they had to make a song for mayfly with the rap unit he came up with the idea of speaking on racism,
Shortly after George Floyd passed they tweeted about it, saying “we stand in solidarity with those who have given their lives for the right to be heard”
these are just a few of the many many things he and the rest of them constantly do to make me believe they genuinely care, because they never pass up an opportunity to tell us how they feel
What song are you referring to? I’m not an ateez Stan but have been getting into them lately
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@loveoflife3081 I believe the song refrenced here is "Celebrate." When it was released, they spoke about it being an inclusive uplifting song meant to tell listeners it's okay to be yourself- in any form or shape.
@@RambleRiv correct. Celebrate have a gospel tone to the song, I hate that Celebrate is underrated
Ateez fan calls always have me giggling and kicking my feet in the air
When I saw P1harmony's interview on The Zach Sang I was pleasantly surprised that Keeho not only talked openly about cultural appropriation but that they take into consideration when it comes to all aspect of their music. It's one of my favorite interview and it definitely made me a bigger fan of theirs.
yess thats what put p1 on the map for me and made me a fan!
yassss 🤭
As a desi ateez stan with the recent scandal of San singing the curry song when desi fandom asked for accountability directly from the said idol, some k-stans and turkish were quick to attack the desi fanbase and then also went to attack black stans because they were standing behind desi voices. POC can never catch a break tbh like.
did San apologize and educate himself? What happened once Desi fans said something?
No, only the company apologized this was when ATEEZ were on tour. Kq either deleted or private the video and apologized on twitter. I can’t remember what every desi said but I remember one desi not accepting the apology I’m sure other desi may had accepted the apology the so far I can only remember seeing one desi not
This incident still hurts my soul, I'm a black person and it makes me uncomfortable that they had the audacity to sing that song despite the countless times other idols have gotten in trouble for singing it. I'm still an atiny but I really feel y'all's pain and it's crazy that other people were attacking y'all for being rightfully upset at the situation.
9:23
Not to mention that in 2014 BTS went to L.A. to learn about the history and significance of hip hop to the black community and American culture in general. They got lessons from Warren G and Coolio (rip) and some other people essentially gaining more depth and respect for hip hop and rap music overall
Loving that jhope freestyle dances to underrated artist when he did hope on the street
9:41
The funny part of V loving jazz is that he is loving black culture with that as well lol whether he knows that or not
Yet, RM and Jimin have be wiite colorists
K-pop was heavily influenced by black music and black culture and K-pop like you said they take things that are trending and juts use Korean lyrics and that’s how K-pop comes together and your right they do see us and they do have to make decisions and how to approach different cultures in a respectful way and manner
Because MJ was the prototype. With old Black Auntie Hair Style from the 90s
kpop is directly influenced from black culture so that is definitely also a reason why
I can definitely see the MJ references now that you mentioned it
I think people tend to forget that Namjoon and Yoongi were underground rappers before going into kpop.. Hence why bfree was an ass towards them.. So even though BTS was put together, Namjoon amd Yoongi have been hip hop heads/fans hence why his mentioning of those rappers and appreciation for the art form didn't surprise me
I love kard sm, and Jisoo on kard is my favorite
I love Keeho and I'm so proud and happy to see how much he has changed and grown considering the messy stan twt era he had pre-debut 💀😭
FRRRRR
I'm black kpop fan/army
I only listen to XG but they aren’t accepted by Korea and a lot of kpop fans. They aren’t necessarily considered “kpop” either
they are definitely interesting, all japanese member group debuting in the kpop industry with songs in english
@@IndigoDetry Yeah and one thing about XG is they will name their favorite black artists and favorite hip hop / r&b songs from late 90s - early 2000s. They actually study and respect black music unlike most other groups that just take and don’t acknowledge where they get influenced from. They have no problem collaborating with black artists as well and use black producers for some of their songs.
the XG girls can rap. Wild 😂 don't know their music deeply, so I have no idea if there's any substance/story lol, but at least 3 of them have genuine talent at rapping from the handful of videos I've seen so far. Nervous about appropriation or antiblackness, but I'm cautiously intrigued lol
So, this is at the intersection of a genuine question I have about manifesting- or at least your perspective on it.
There are many in the manifesting community that would say you talking about this or focusing on this is what is making this a problem for you in your reality. They say to shift your state, shift your focus and revise the circumstances.
For me, since creation is finished, I feel that there must be a version of the 3D that is ideal, but also addresses this issue in a way where equity and justice are present. But there are literally coaches who share the perspective that empathy is bad and is essentially turning yourself into a victim. Others still, say do what you want, you're God and you can't be wrong, so 'oh well, haters gon hate.'
It's frustrating, and very few coaches ever even said anything about BLM, or demonstrate any kind of show of solidarity. Ever.
It's some of them talked about not ignoring the 3D, and being human and still having emotions.
Now I genuinely do think that some coaches don't talk too much about this because they really do think that focussing on it will make it worse, and internally they are empathic to the matter. I can respect if they do feel for everybody and their situation, and try to internally focus on a better outcome... But I think it would be helpful two name that that is what's going on, at least.
So, just wondering... What are your thoughts?
love the video, ur makeup ate btw 😚💝
thank you!!
my biggest thing is just that the groups who are appropriating - including my faves - often just... cant do hip hop or r&b justice under the entertainment frameworks theyre under. There are definitely exceptions and K Rap and J Rap are different - this is more about idols and pop music - but if you can't talk about sex or politics or your trauma, then it's not rap or hip hop. Rap is freedom and authenticity. If you force your artist to act like a virgin who has never touched weed, then I'm sorry but they can't develop their artist4y or authenticity as a rapper lol. Theyre not a "bad boy," theyre a good corporate employee. Western "rappers" face the same scrutiny - just look how Drake is being exposed rn as basically using hip hop as a costume to sell albums at Target.
Unrelated but under the same umbrella, also how so many K-Pop fans will just try to change up the meaning for certain things in certain words because they didn't fit what their idols are. And I think that's really messed up. Like, I think so many K-Pop fans try to change what the word rapper means or what rap means because their fave doesn't write their own raps.
For instance, I saw the other day under a kpop unpopular opinion video comment under video where somebody was like "I also think that rappers don't need to write their own raps to be called a rapper!" Girl, that's literally the point of being a rapper, You write your own raps. You're fav who performs a rap which was written for them, is a great performer but they're not a rapper. And if they are, they're a idol rapper. Mind you I have ults who don't write their raps, but I can accept this.
Or those who act like rapping is just "fast singing" like the amount of K-pop fans who show they don't care about someone else's culture and music just because it's a AA/Black genre is a large amount.
Idk Why I just can't get into K-Pop.
I've tried but that shit feels so Minstrel to me.
Girl-what???
This is the elephant in the room most people don't want to address.
@@eauxkei702I’m black but I don’t see that… can I get an explanation?
What does that mean
Guys this person is talking about how a lot of K-pop is inspired by black music and thats why they feel like its minstrel-esk.
i’m a red velvet stan because they’re inspired by en vogue and other black 90s girl groups. although, wendy did have that controversy with her “blaccent” and i was disappointed. red velvet supports black artists, producers, and the lgbtq (which is why they are a favorite group among the queer community in korea). when i meet other black red velvet fans they are typically deep old school r&b heads, or they are older like gen x or older millennials and i love that.
Tbh I was almost a big rv fan until Wendy did the blaccent thing, but what really hurt me was when she said black women are scary. And since SM never lets their artists apologize, I kind of just stopped stanning their groups cause I was just tired of being disappointed. I do still listen to them casually though. I really like Jin's song with her.
@@bluesidecollection It's crazy how sm doesn't "let" their idols apologize but lets fans control whether an idol should be in a group or not due to a past relationship. Karina also apologized for being in a relationship( which is insane) so they should have no problem letting their idols apologize for being ignorant.
its quite sad how black Kpop fans praise these groups for the bare minimum and I can't understand why black people can't take the hint that this industry is not for us. What's even worse is seeing how some black female Kpop/kdrama Stans act and the validation they seek from Korean/asian men.
It's sad and embarrassing but to each their own. 🤷🏿♀️
What hint are you talking about?
Fr, so many black people are proud kpop fans when it's actually embarrassing to support a genre that consistently degrades you. You look like you have no self-esteem.
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I think it's just fan service. I don't think they really care about black women
I LOVE YOU KEEHOOOO
Eric B & Rakim and KRS1 are OG Rappers from my generation!
Really may I suggest Jang Wooyoung of 2pm vlog listening to and appreciating De La Sol
No RM wanted the black hairstyles and hd once sdated on a Korean entertainment show that he specializes in Blaccent. I am African American raised in Atlanta went to college in New Jersey and I do not know what speaking Blaccent/AAVE is💯💅🏾💃🏿
Because they are stealing Black culture and music. Just got to the original source where the dancing and singing is better by black artists. I get that Asians audiences wanted black music with Asian faces, but when K-pop went international, you have to call out this appropriation.
I think you have to be more selective for such. Personally, I can never get into nct127 and don’t understand the hype.
Mingquavious
Yet, none of theses artist me tikn in this video the ad ever recognized Blachswan or specifically Fatou Samba as a Korean female rapper/idol. Vut then again mist black stans don't support her because be she is not Asian.
They call braids etc., reggae hair and dirty hair and mop hair.
Asia has for centuries L♥️VED black ppl. Listen to
Michael Mac Thomas. 💯♥️♥️
Ok imma say it ain’t of Asians be racist yes I have seen it, what they like is hip hop but many won’t even date one
Don't be so fast. Let their superstardom calm before you try to get 'em.
I'm sorry but I'm gonna have too disagree. They love our Culture but hate us. They love our fashion and music but hate our skin.
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I still cant forget yoongi's sample...
Which sample?
@lucyandecember2843 It was a sample of a Jim Jones speech. Jim jones is a horrible person who was a cult leader who orchestred mass suicide/murder of 900 people.
yeaaaa
4:30 help me 💀💀💀