I’m so glad you made this (and during Black History Month)! I would love to see a video of some well-known Kpop songs produced and/or written by black people. I think a lot of Kpop fans don’t realize how integral we’ve been since early Kpop.
until kpopstuffs comes out with a gorgeously edited overview, if you're curious (and in the case that you're not already aware) ReacttotheK has done great interviews with a few black kpop songwriters/producers which I def recommend!
I also would like to mention Brazilian funk!! It's beat can be heard in songs like Fact check (NCT 127, which was co-produced with Tropkillaz, a Brazilian duo); Doom doom ta and Loca (Tribe); O.O (NMIXX) and Bad Girls (Bling Bling). This genre was created by marginalized black communities in Rio de Janeiro, and it's more present in kpop as time goes by :))
@@idiotu668 becouse it started as a "brasilianfication" of the 60's american funk, where DJs started putting traditional brasilian/african beats into the mix and adding freestyle rap to it. Then it incorporated sinths, brasilian "charme", and miami bass. As time passed it became it's own individual genre (with A LOT of subgenres) but the name stuck with people.
@@robynbrowne1277 yeah, definitely fans. most of them actually. they think giving credit to others (black people) means that their artist isn't great, which is so dumb. there is nothing wrong with respecting/appreciating the original creators.
@@nicecereals They hate us, so of course they aren't going to acknowledge that kpop wouldn't exist or be nearly as famous as it is now without black culture. Kpop is a way for these people who are racist, but like our music, to listen to our music, but without actually supporting black musicians, if you get what I mean. That's why they take an issue with Blackswan existing.
Indeed…. The truth is actually even more profound than your statement. Without black people the human race would not exist. All humans came from the womb of a black woman. Music itself was created by black people before humans even left the continent.
A large part of the appeal of Kpop for me was because I grew up on groups like New Edition, B2K, Destiny's Child, TLC, etc. It was never anything new for me lol 😂 It genuinely shocked me how people wanted to deny the connection between Black culture and Kpop. This year, I looked up more about Motown Etiquette Training and songwriting/producing camps and that's literally what the Kpop training system is, especially with SM.
yep! Teddy Riley produced some k-pop songs in the 2010s with several acts, mostly SM groups but also Rania (now black swan if I’m not mistaken), he also produced the boys by SNSD :)
Michael Jackson is the King of Pop and particularly when it comes to dancers in pop music. He has a huge influence on every Asian singer/dancer-type performer, and of course, K-pop.
@@themasterofkpop I bet all of them grew up seeing at least some of Michael Jackson’s dance moves. I live in an Asian country and Michael’s popularity here is unparalleled.
@@themasterofkpop if early idols such as BoA drew influence from him, and later idols are influenced by early idols, then the whole thing is still influenced by him ultimately.
This is such a well done & RESPECTFUL take on how much Kpop has been heavily inspired by Black Music. I don't understand how people can say, "Keep Kpop Korean" when it's been inspired by black Artist like Usher, MJ the King of Pop, as well as black culture (fashion, swag etc). I don't know why people are suddenly nitpicking this, as its just a fact. "This might come across as toxic because blah blah blah" No, its not toxic. You are, the enhyphen fans that bullied black fans, calling them all sorts of racist names over a mis translation. The Le Serafim fans that immediately hated on a Black Model is why this is NEEDED in the Kpop Industry. Because while black music is being used all over the world. Kpop and Korea rarely give it credit when its due and many times Idols blatantly disrespect or are racist. So if you think this video is toxic or some shit, wow, that explains a lot about. Anyway, thank you for this video during Black History Month. PS. No wonder Ateez has so many Black Fans, they be making black music lol 😭💀
Atiny here 🙋🏿♀️, and I agree. Look at probably the first big kpop group, Tae ji and the Boys (or something like that), baggy clothes and 90s hip-hop style to the max. Their early girl groups reminded me of TLC and other 90s R&B acts. The first breakout kpop hit in the west, "Nobody", was heavily Motown and The Supremes inspired. One of the first breakout groups in the west, Bigbang, were heavily hip-hop inspired. They are drenched in it, and need to stop playing in our faces!
@@missright9159 Exactly! Even Kpop Artist always mention this too. Who they were inspired by and it's 90% always a black artist (rap, rnb, hip hop or the king of pop himself) Nice to meet another atiny too that understands.
Great video. I think it would have been good to see a lot more of the 1st and 2nd generation of K-pop in the video because it’s literally the very start of K-pop, and the influence of black culture is very obvious during these periods
These genres are every where and not only kpop. So I think it's right to say black culture contributed/ carries a big part of music in general It's not like kpop artists were the first to use any of these genres yk
This video is a response to the “keepkpopkorean” hashtag going around because HYBE had a black model wearing le sserafim’s merch and kpoppies thought that she would be a part of the group, hence the hashtag. So why would the creator decentre kpop from the convo if they’re literally the reason this video was made?
As a fan of Ateez, the black music influence is prominent. It's probably why I'm such a huge fan. I remember even seeing a distinct black fraternity stroll move in their choreography for Sector 1. I was like, whoa 😳. They seem to work with black creatives somewhat, but I just hope the entire industry moves to give black people credit and opportunities to benefit from our contributions more.
ditto! as a black atiny i was really impressed by their stage presence and their training in the US under black choreographers! i wish they and other kpop groups were just more explicit in their inspirations like collab with these folks dont be silly!! but at the same time maybe i dont want them to get too comfortable yk
98% of all popular music, west and otherwise originated by black artists, yet we get accused of overstepping and being sensitive for acknowledging this. and get called whitewashed for liking genres like rock, indie and punk... very weird
YES! As a black American myself, I was really hesitant to even get into Kpop because it all felt SO derivative of black culture. I'm a big fan now, but it took awhile lol Even down to the idol trainee system that these giant South Korean labels use is based on what they did in the Motown record label back in the 60's and 70's.
@@motownstickman8959 Actually, some Motown artists did promote in other languages, mainly European ones. For example, the Supremes released music in Italian. You can actually find the Italian version of some of their songs on TH-cam, like "L'Amore Verra'" and "Se il filo sepezzerai." Stevie Wonder also did full songs in Italian, like "Il Sole E'Di Tutti." You can search on TH-cam to find video footage of Stevie Wonder singing live in Italian. Black Americans chose to sing in other languages despite the fact that most of the world probably knew at least some English even back then.
@@motownstickman8959 Actually, some Motown artists did promote in other languages, mainly European ones. For example, the Supremes released music in Italian. You can actually find the Italian version of some of their songs on TH-cam, like "L'Amore Verra'" and "Se il filo sepezzerai." Stevie Wonder also did full songs in Italian, like "il sole e'di tutti." You can search on TH-cam to find video footage of Stevie Wonder singing live in Italian.
Thank you for this very educational video. Thanks for making me aware that also genres like disco and house belong here, i wasnt really aware of their history before!
thank you for making this video and for including the links to learn more! i knew that in general black community and culture had a massive impact on k-pop (and on music as a whole) but i didn't realize just how huge it was. it's very important to talk about this and give respect and credit where it's due.
One thing that I think people don’t realize is that black culture IS western culture and you can’t separate the two. Because of enslavement we were separated from our roots for SO LONG that we HAD to create our own things. That’s why we created things at such a rapid pace and our influence is everywhere. Most western music, popular or otherwise, has a black persons hand in it and often from the very beginning. Even things we don’t credit black people for. This isn’t just for music but fashion, popular media in general like television, and sports. And we STILL do it because at this point being creative and innovative is also ingrained in our culture. You literally cannot separate western culture and its inspiration from black culture. It’s almost impossible.
Ive been a stan for 12 years and its something i had to reconcile. To enjoy kpop is to realize its foundation is black music culture and making the decision to support it either way.
This video probably was inspired from the same discourse happening in kpop community. Right now as of this moment, many big corporations in kpop like Hybe, SM and JYP are dipping their toes in Afrobeats/Amapiano music from Africa instead of music from African-American music scene which they have been doing since the beginning of kpop music scene. This times it's different they have found the African music scene. I'm glad that African music is getting attention as of lately through different paltforms like TikTok and others. People are discovering African music scene and cool artists. Korea is no exception. Every Korean Gen Z was dancing and whining to water by tyla these past few months. It was everywhere. They all enjoyed it. Also some other amapiano music as well plus people were getting into Afro dances styles. A new cultural influence was being spread through internet. Everyone (in homogeneous countries around the world like Korea) wants to be able to dance like Africans. Whether these people actually respect Black people or not. Racism is still a problem in country like Korea despite the cultural influence. What im saying is that these cultural influences especially of music and dance will be exploited by kpop companies. Lesserafim was performing their comback titles and all of sudden when they had to perform Smart they changed their whole outfit and were styled especially for this specific performance of track that was specifically inspired by the most popular amapiano song from a Grammy winner south african artist Tyla's water. Plus the lyrics and the pronunciation of the lyrics being so...African as well. Also the whole choreo was whining and lots of hips and leg work as you can see in Africna style dances. So it seems a big corporation that took the chance to hope on the hot trend of afrobeats/amapiano and not losing a minute to imply it in their grps music. Another thing to remember is that teb producers were also not black. It was a white man and korean producer. So tehy didn't even bothered to bring a black or an African producer to produce this track for authenticity. They just called these dudes and told them "we need a track like Water by Tyla" and these dudes made a plain track that's very much a hit or miss for people. I wish they did something differently keeping the amapiano inspiration. But to me the track falls flat. I was wishing it be more lesserafim but i was expecting a bit too muh when the company didn't bothered to credit the origin of inspiration for the track or hirong a black producer. The ethics are very much clear of these companies like hybe. Because when a racism scandal happens in kpop they barely educate their idols or apologize to their fans and stuff. Racial and international cultural education is still sucks in Korea unless you are specifically studying relevant subjects in university. The point is that these companies and people who are affluent by the black culture are still pretty much ignorant and complicit on these topics. There's a bit "forced" open-mindedness but critical thinking is required for open-mindedness as everywhere around the world. People may seem to accept non-korean people right now but the prejudice and blatant colorism and racism plus white supremacy still exists in Korea. It's frustrating how peopl don't see why people are actually criticizing this weird addition of track in the album when it feels incoherent in terms of sound. Its like they just had to add a cheap copy of amapiano in the album before the trend dies out. All of the performance seemed like they were trying too hard to stay on completely on the trend. Outfit style, music, dance style, singing style all were like a completely copying going on rather than implementing their own flare to it. Like they could have atleast directed a different performance but yeah... They went from bright jolly disco era to dark grunge pop rock era to micheal jackson era to african inspired music era. There seems to be a reoccurring theme in hybe. But yeah. They barely spoke out against racist fans who were harassing and abusing the black model in lesserafim's merch ad. It's like black people and their culture is nothing but an aesthetic to wear on conveniently for profit and never for educating and respecting them like human beings. Dreadlocks, dance styles, music genres, outfits etc. All inspired by black people. When there's a historical win for a Black artists in the west you will see these companies hoping on to that trend so they can give people good music(subjective). Now there's nothing bad about trying new stuff but knowing how kpop industry, pop-culture and fandoms work, we do need to be careful and be able to distinguish between good and bad art. Smart by lesserafim was not it just like bolo by penomeco was not it. Tinnitus also got the heat as well but the song mostly had very txt's signature lyrics in terms of song writing. Plus they had their own flare in the track as well as choreo. Most importantly it was produced by a black producer so he got the paid well and the demo went viral as well. They credited hom specifically as well. Right now the reaction seems very heated from people due the first(not certain) black female artist from south Africa who won an award for her album and got recognized by western mainstream media. It was a pretty big victory as she represented her country as well. So when you make water it down to a trend and aesthetics, the true original culture gets forgotten by other people. Like black people just can't have a win and celebrate it with peace bc it will be exploited and stolen away. Cultures are meant to be shared but i wonder if these cultures start to get exploited and taken advantage of is sharing really helping the original people? Considering how south Africa is and the racial segregation in SA, it feels bad to be giving these big racist companies money. I know bighit educated themselves but idk abt source music. Bc hybe is filled many companies with different work ethics. As you can see lots of ppl might be giving constructive criticism but those who are stupid haters and antis they hoped on this wagon as an opportunity to hate on lesserafim. What was supposed to be a serious criticism snowballed into a hateful energy. It's really frustrating because all grps involved can't seems to have nuanced knowledge of this issue and context. Everything is being simplified into a hate trend on lesserafim. Kpop fans truly are incapable of giving constructive criticism and will lose their morals for their favs due obssessive stan culture. Your queens are not slaying like you think they are. Easy is a great track but smart is a weird track. Neither good nor bad. A cheap copy almost. They didn't deserve this. Anyways i hope my point went across. And what i stated is based on books, cultural analysis i did for my thesis and can be solely a personal viee on this issue. I just wanted to shre my thoughts bc maybe a new perspective might help ppl understand why they are getting criticism. Though i could be horribly wrong but i just wanted to share this as its seems to be a reoccurring conclusion of observation of korean view on other races especially black culture. Idk feel free to disagree and share your thoughts why i might be wrong. Remember, saying it's not that deep is simply a privilege that kills critical thinking. Using our brains a little won't hurt even with things we consume for escapism from reality. Lets be a little more conscious and not give money to someone who's doesn't bother to respect us consumers as a person even tho its inevitable in late capitalism era. Not everything is about fun and being carefree.
thank you for writing all this! i liked smart on first listen but felt kind of weird continuing to listen to the song after hearing about the direct influence from others. i'm not on twitter or tiktok so had no idea about the harassment of one of hybe's black models but wow...not a good look for hybe or their fans at all. do you happen to have any music recs from actual african artists/producers? i only know of tyla at the moment but would like to look into supporting more artists.
This is a long read, but I am glad I read through this. It had very clear points that well-articulated a lot of issues that occurs when globalization, art (music), and critical reception all interplay. I also appreciate your acknowledgement of nuances with art sharing, the line of exploitation, immoral versus lazy production, and the perspective on racism. I appreciate this comment a lot! It doesn't simply treat the 'Smart' situation as a taking-sides situation because it's not simply about liking a song. This is about understanding the significance of intentional, purposeful music-making with respect to the genre and manner of performance. I had a hard time with the discourse around the song for a bit since I am not exposed to Black culture firsthand (I live in Asia), only knowing most of this information online. So, a well-informed and dissected take on this is very appreciated so that I could also know how I could frame my thinking with other similar songs in the future. To see and assess the nuances of appreciation, respect, appropriation, and (intentional or ignorant) racism. Thanks for writing this :)
My apologies to whoever read this as English is not my first language and I might have made many mistakes. Also I'm an Asian person who tends who reads a lot and has a background in linguistics and race/cultural studies. This was all my own observation and I just wanted to share a new perspective for people to understand the reaction Smart is getting from people. If you have read through all of it thank you for being patient for hearing me out.
ICONIC. This is something that is and should be known by the overall kpop community but because it makes them "uncomfortable", they always try to shut it down by gaslighting or straight denying it. This is also one of the reasons some people refuse to listen to kpop (plus the fact they sing in another language so they are even more put off but I consider that just being close-minded). You've always had some of the best kpop music videos, quality and TASTE. I was wondering since I don't know much about different genres used in songs but is Switch With Me from JYP and Rain New Jack Swing?
Pleasantly surprised about Moombahton!!! It's one of my favorite genres and I assumed it was a sub genre of Reggeaton but I'm glad to know it's a mix of two cultures!!!
I think it'd be interesting to talk about how the very first K-pop artists came into contact with music pioneered by Black people in Itaewon clubs where Koreans and American GIs crossed paths!
been realizing my love for house recently and I read an article about how it came to be. on july 12, 1979, a group of anti disco protestors held a riot against disco and burned tons of records that were not only disco, but by black artists and general. since disco clubs originated in black and latino lgbt clubs and was typically and only safe space these people had. after disco's fall out, most electronic music of its caliber was forced to go underground again and house music came to be as a result. maybe next time people want to discredit black people's influence and sacrifice for their favorite music, they should do some more reading
im literally so mad about the afrobeats and amapiono trends their doing cheap copies and their eating up doing the dance covers and all recreating outfits when its a cheap watered-down version of tyla or some wizkid copy and then their all going to move on to the next trend
Excellent work & research! I just became a K-pop fan in early 2023, & 1 of the best surprises to me was the influence of '90s new jack swing music. I'm Gen-X, so I've been alive during all the genres since funk & disco. I verify all of your info. 2 extra points: I notice heavy, specific influences from Micheal & Janet Jackson in choreography (RAIN & BoA for example). And I also love the reggae sound influences in K-pop ("troll" by IU, "why so lonely" by Wonder Girls). My ult though, is RAIN & JYP's "switch to me" song - which has a direct link to Bobby Brown's "every little step" song. I wish more of the world knew how great & varied K-pop music is. Thanks.
this was really interesting !! i loved it sm, and i appreciate these genres even more knowing where they originated from and how they've developed now ! i'd love more videos like this :D
Education! Great video, I always get into arguments about music because I listen to so much different stuff. 9 out of 10 times they have no clue what they are talking about.
Literally, and that's why the fact the kpop fans think they can exclude black people from auditioning is infuriating. Like how are you gonna try to include people from a genre that is heavily inspired by those people's culture and contributions.
my general rule of listening to music for a while is that if it slaps the genre was probably made or inspired by black people and pocs and tbh- this video just reinforces that idea lol
So much of K-pop is inspired and/or taken from black culture, specifically African American culture, but recently some have stepped outside just that and gone for Afro beats and Amapiano. See this would be a problem, in on itself it isn’t. But when you also dislike the exact same people you take from, don’t give them credit and use their culture for aesthetics. It’s a problem!
Amapiano mention ?? you really cooked here. FINALLY SOMEBODY MENTIONED THIS. i thought i was the only one that noticed the trend. you're so #REAL for this 💯💯
Thank you for making this, reminding us for the best. But if I can comment a bit, I thought you will talked about the connection between kpop as an industry to black culture as a whole. Well, the video is very on brand with your channel, but I guess the title should be "is kpop MUSIC built on black culture". But yeah thats just my opinion Another thing that I think influenced the making of kpop is actually the 90's-2000s era of jpop. At that time, so many japanese hitmaker are either inspired by hip-hop or rnb, i'm pretty sure idol system are already spreding out then. Since I came to kpop in 2nd gen, I wonder why so many kpop artists collab with older jpop artists, thus I learned about that. And one company that consistently pushed the western sound of jpop is actually Avex, the same company that made XGALX. Also thank you for listing all the reference
The idol training system was based on the training system of Motown (that's why it's called SMTown), so there is some connection to the industry as well.
The lack of *authenticity*. I saw a music video with Korean students dancing with the artists. That's what I'm talking about. You know how pressuring exams can be. How stressful it is for children to grow in this society, they can easily feel insecure about their body, feeling like they're not good enough. Well the message is let's dance outside of school, let's sweat, let's have fun no matter if you're black, white, fat, skinny or whatever. But like I see these kpop bands making songs and choregraphies with huge hip hop influences and like.... They're so attractive, so cute, so pale, so perfect... All of their dancers are skinny and attractive... Like... 💀 I don't believe hip hop is a black people genre but you don't really have the spirit I'm just saying.
@@KpopStuffs oh, well i also have an interest for music-related things (genre break-downs, production, album cover designs, visualizers etc...) so yeah, i love your content, and appreciate the effort you put into it !
Almost all of these songs I can hear the original song done by Black Americans… the beat and pattern. Never knew Asians were doing this! That’s a lawsuit in the States
hip hop who influence kpop is build on asian culture. hip hop pionners admitted bruce lee and kung fu movies played a major role at shaping hip hop.breakdance moves were lifted from kung fu movies. rap and dance battle are also influenced by these movies,battle is the essence of hiphop.grandmaster flash created the quick mix theory the base of all hip hop beat with his platines by mimicking bruce lee.and all hip hop r&b records use 808 drums created in japan . so kpop booriw from black folks who have mimicked asian.so kpop is build on asian culture.
@@leteflondondu92 back here to educate you real quick, black people created hip hop , rap music was a way for them to story tell their struggles initially because they faced a lot of discrimination and were looked down upon. stop spreading misinformation trying to act like Asians created it 😭 dumbest shit I’ve ever heard
May I ask what is there to disagree with? The entire foundations of modern k-pop and its training system is built of the likes of Motown and Micheal Jackson, let alone the music. K-pop was built on black culture and it still influences it today, no denying of that
@@coralskpopcorner Just bcuz they rap, it doesn't mean it's black influence. And so what that a black person might've first done some music genre? White people popularized and evolved it into what it is today. There is literally nothing black about kpop.
i haven't removed anything myself I've been asleep for most of the time this videos been public 😭😭 but one person did comment so much that youtube started flagging their account as spam
@@KpopStuffs it's giving kpop idols are leeching off of black people while simultaneously discounting all of the non-black people who contributed a lot if not more to these genres I can see how you can use this to point out that black people were involved in creating or helping to popularize many popular kpop genres and concepts of today but to say that it suddenly means kpop was built on black culture is one hell of a stretch and it's very toxic
@bangchanslove6398 I'll be honest I do not see how saying this is toxic and I apologize if it wasn't clear in the video but I am not saying this is the only influence on kpop 😭🙏 looking at the history of the industry it's just clear that it was modeled off of western pop music, which is largely inspired by black cultures. but if u interpret the title as toxic or exaggerating then that is my bad
@@KpopStuffs Thank you for clarifying, but how is a song being a jazz or rnb genre mean that it's "inspired" by black culture, I don't quite understand that. It's just a song in a sound made by people who happen to be of a certain background, how is culture of any importance here?
@bangchanslove6398 since the creators of these genres r so rarely credited especially within the kpop industry specifically, I just felt its important to acknowledge them. there's also the fact that for many of these genres they are inherently tied to black history, genres invented from club scenes are reflections of the marginalized groups that would make up those spaces. hip hop is a great example of a musical genre that also reflects the social climate the people making it were living thru. you don't necessarily need all this info to enjoy a song, but to me it's just basic respect to understand when something has cultural importance to it
It clearly shows you in this video what music genres used in kpop came from black communities. Before SeoTaji and the Boys(the first kpop group) popularized these new sounds (mainly hip hop) in Korea, the most popular genre of music was Korean Trot which was inspired by Japan Trot. Remember that kpop is not a music genre, it is an industry. This is why idol groups can have songs that sound completely different, because they can range from multiple different genres/subgenres of music!
@@Shrekteez okay, sound was made by the first reptiles on the planet, but noises and ''communication through words'' Was something we humans evolutionary picked up from monkeys. Do you want me to call all the koreans, black people, mexicans, white people, everyone who talks a monkey wannabe? And that ''black'' music is just wannabe monkeys making sounds? No? Because even though the origin of something that pertains in something was created by something else, doesnt mean that the creation itself has to be classified as from the same? I dont call jazz monkey wannabemusic and you dont call kpop black community based or derivative work. Every single song that is created is a work put in by the people that create it, the instruments and different things used to create that music might not be made by them, that doesnt mean that their songs arent their songs.
Inspiration from 1990s American boy and girl groups + Blacks' Hip Hop + J-pop Training System & Idol Worshipping Culture. See how NCT & TripleS are applying the AKB48 system. Produce 101 & Boys/Girls Planet shows are annual sousenkyos.
Whats south korean about jazz, hiphop, funk, rock etc. As the person above stated Kpop ,is heavily inspired by Black american culture and Jpop. Only the language and the performers are south korean.
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Most genres in music is built on black culture when you think about it.
F.D Signifier’s video on white rappers has a great explanation on why this is the case.
@@imagiguard great video rec :DD
Classical 😁
Not all music genres, there's lot of genres and traditional music in lots of different cultures
@@SB_mv02 gospel, blues, country, jazz, R&B, soul, rock and roll, funk, disco, hip hop, house music, techno, neo-soul, trap, e.t.c 🥰
I’m so glad you made this (and during Black History Month)! I would love to see a video of some well-known Kpop songs produced and/or written by black people. I think a lot of Kpop fans don’t realize how integral we’ve been since early Kpop.
Yess!!!
That would be such a great idea! Most only know Dem Jointz
yes that would be awesome!!
until kpopstuffs comes out with a gorgeously edited overview, if you're curious (and in the case that you're not already aware) ReacttotheK has done great interviews with a few black kpop songwriters/producers which I def recommend!
riiii
I also would like to mention Brazilian funk!! It's beat can be heard in songs like Fact check (NCT 127, which was co-produced with Tropkillaz, a Brazilian duo); Doom doom ta and Loca (Tribe); O.O (NMIXX) and Bad Girls (Bling Bling). This genre was created by marginalized black communities in Rio de Janeiro, and it's more present in kpop as time goes by :))
But why call it Funk?
@@idiotu668 to be honest, I don't know. But it's a genre that exists for a while and is called funk here too
@@idiotu668 becouse it started as a "brasilianfication"
of the 60's american funk, where DJs started putting traditional brasilian/african beats into the mix and adding freestyle rap to it. Then it incorporated sinths, brasilian "charme", and miami bass. As time passed it became it's own individual genre (with A LOT of subgenres) but the name stuck with people.
@@falcied caramba, que massa. Valeu pela informação :))
Por algum motivo, só vi o comentário agora XD
and black culture’s impact is still overlooked, and never properly appreciated - especially by korean people. it sucks
By some fans also. Some fans are like keep kpop Korean and I'm like sis take several seats
@@robynbrowne1277 yeah, definitely fans. most of them actually. they think giving credit to others (black people) means that their artist isn't great, which is so dumb. there is nothing wrong with respecting/appreciating the original creators.
@@nicecereals They hate us, so of course they aren't going to acknowledge that kpop wouldn't exist or be nearly as famous as it is now without black culture. Kpop is a way for these people who are racist, but like our music, to listen to our music, but without actually supporting black musicians, if you get what I mean. That's why they take an issue with Blackswan existing.
if there are any typos no there arent. dont say anything
Without black people and their influence, music wouldn't be what it is today. It's important to honor that
Indeed…. The truth is actually even more profound than your statement.
Without black people the human race would not exist. All humans came from the womb of a black woman. Music itself was created by black people before humans even left the continent.
so real
I think it's really important that fans of kpop understand this history, this is a well made video thank you for doing this!
my dad always says that new edition inspired all of kpop 😭😭
thanks to your comment i checked them out and their music slays
@@purpleteardropss OMG YES I GREW UP ON NEW EDITION 😭😭
A large part of the appeal of Kpop for me was because I grew up on groups like New Edition, B2K, Destiny's Child, TLC, etc. It was never anything new for me lol 😂 It genuinely shocked me how people wanted to deny the connection between Black culture and Kpop. This year, I looked up more about Motown Etiquette Training and songwriting/producing camps and that's literally what the Kpop training system is, especially with SM.
Your dad is a smart man
4:06 Call Me Baby was in fact produced by Teddy Riley himself, if my memory doesn't serve me wrong
i went to check myself and you're right! he's credited as one of the producers and songwriters
Yes!
yep! Teddy Riley produced some k-pop songs in the 2010s with several acts, mostly SM groups but also Rania (now black swan if I’m not mistaken), he also produced the boys by SNSD :)
@@coralskpopcorner Yeah, in fact, Rania debut album is called "Teddy Riley, the First Expansion in Asia"
Teddy Riley also got credit on SNSD's song "check"... which I noticed the first time I heard it. And loved it.
this is such an important topic in the kpop community that i feel often goes overlooked, especially as a black fan myself. thank you for making this!
new jack swing is a beautiful amazing iconic genre imo and doesn't get enough love. So now knowing the origins i wanna go find more to listen to!
It was one of my favorite genres growing up (my mom played a lot of classics). I would love for it to make a revival soon in Western pop too!
janet (control, rhythm nation, and janet.) and michael (dangerous and history book 1) jackson's discographies are chock full of new jack swing
Michael Jackson is the King of Pop and particularly when it comes to dancers in pop music. He has a huge influence on every Asian singer/dancer-type performer, and of course, K-pop.
@@themasterofkpop I bet all of them grew up seeing at least some of Michael Jackson’s dance moves. I live in an Asian country and Michael’s popularity here is unparalleled.
@@themasterofkpop well I’m no dance expert so I’ll admit that I can’t tell the difference.
@@themasterofkpop if early idols such as BoA drew influence from him, and later idols are influenced by early idols, then the whole thing is still influenced by him ultimately.
100%. There is no denying that RAIN & BoA drew influence from Michael & Janet Jackson. And that's totally cool.
This is such a well done & RESPECTFUL take on how much Kpop has been heavily inspired by Black Music. I don't understand how people can say, "Keep Kpop Korean" when it's been inspired by black Artist like Usher, MJ the King of Pop, as well as black culture (fashion, swag etc).
I don't know why people are suddenly nitpicking this, as its just a fact.
"This might come across as toxic because blah blah blah" No, its not toxic. You are, the enhyphen fans that bullied black fans, calling them all sorts of racist names over a mis translation. The Le Serafim fans that immediately hated on a Black Model is why this is NEEDED in the Kpop Industry.
Because while black music is being used all over the world. Kpop and Korea rarely give it credit when its due and many times Idols blatantly disrespect or are racist.
So if you think this video is toxic or some shit, wow, that explains a lot about.
Anyway, thank you for this video during Black History Month. PS. No wonder Ateez has so many Black Fans, they be making black music lol 😭💀
Atiny here 🙋🏿♀️, and I agree.
Look at probably the first big kpop group, Tae ji and the Boys (or something like that), baggy clothes and 90s hip-hop style to the max. Their early girl groups reminded me of TLC and other 90s R&B acts. The first breakout kpop hit in the west, "Nobody", was heavily Motown and The Supremes inspired. One of the first breakout groups in the west, Bigbang, were heavily hip-hop inspired.
They are drenched in it, and need to stop playing in our faces!
@@missright9159 Exactly! Even Kpop Artist always mention this too. Who they were inspired by and it's 90% always a black artist (rap, rnb, hip hop or the king of pop himself) Nice to meet another atiny too that understands.
kpop was never and will never be korean lol, of it was it wouldn't be kpop
@@rosefulmadnessThe only thing Korean about K-pop are the idols. Shii not for long tho we got Japanese singers and others 😂
also the acronym for Keep Kpop Korean is literally KKK
Great video. I think it would have been good to see a lot more of the 1st and 2nd generation of K-pop in the video because it’s literally the very start of K-pop, and the influence of black culture is very obvious during these periods
These genres are every where and not only kpop. So I think it's right to say black culture contributed/ carries a big part of music in general
It's not like kpop artists were the first to use any of these genres yk
I had similar thoughts. Music around the globalized world has changed so much in the past century
This video is a response to the “keepkpopkorean” hashtag going around because HYBE had a black model wearing le sserafim’s merch and kpoppies thought that she would be a part of the group, hence the hashtag. So why would the creator decentre kpop from the convo if they’re literally the reason this video was made?
As a fan of Ateez, the black music influence is prominent. It's probably why I'm such a huge fan. I remember even seeing a distinct black fraternity stroll move in their choreography for Sector 1. I was like, whoa 😳. They seem to work with black creatives somewhat, but I just hope the entire industry moves to give black people credit and opportunities to benefit from our contributions more.
ditto! as a black atiny i was really impressed by their stage presence and their training in the US under black choreographers! i wish they and other kpop groups were just more explicit in their inspirations like collab with these folks dont be silly!! but at the same time maybe i dont want them to get too comfortable yk
98% of all popular music, west and otherwise originated by black artists, yet we get accused of overstepping and being sensitive for acknowledging this. and get called whitewashed for liking genres like rock, indie and punk... very weird
What's funny is black folks even created Rock 😂
I tried mentioning this in a comment section of another video and OMG the discourse.
Also taste for adding CLC and DC in the first couple minutes.
YES! As a black American myself, I was really hesitant to even get into Kpop because it all felt SO derivative of black culture. I'm a big fan now, but it took awhile lol Even down to the idol trainee system that these giant South Korean labels use is based on what they did in the Motown record label back in the 60's and 70's.
Truth! ❤ Motown artists lucked-out though... they only had to sing in English. Until Stevie sang "my cherie amour", that is. 😏
@@motownstickman8959 Actually, some Motown artists did promote in other languages, mainly European ones. For example, the Supremes released music in Italian. You can actually find the Italian version of some of their songs on TH-cam, like "L'Amore Verra'" and "Se il filo sepezzerai." Stevie Wonder also did full songs in Italian, like "Il Sole E'Di Tutti." You can search on TH-cam to find video footage of Stevie Wonder singing live in Italian. Black Americans chose to sing in other languages despite the fact that most of the world probably knew at least some English even back then.
@@motownstickman8959 Actually, some Motown artists did promote in other languages, mainly European ones. For example, the Supremes released music in Italian. You can actually find the Italian version of some of their songs on TH-cam, like "L'Amore Verra'" and "Se il filo sepezzerai." Stevie Wonder also did full songs in Italian, like "il sole e'di tutti." You can search on TH-cam to find video footage of Stevie Wonder singing live in Italian.
Thank you for this very educational video. Thanks for making me aware that also genres like disco and house belong here, i wasnt really aware of their history before!
short answer yes, long answer, yes, just like most things 🗣️
i, too, love new jack swing so much !!
thank you for making this video and for including the links to learn more! i knew that in general black community and culture had a massive impact on k-pop (and on music as a whole) but i didn't realize just how huge it was. it's very important to talk about this and give respect and credit where it's due.
ate w this !!! it's so important to acknowledge the influence of black culture!!
0:00 OMG DIFFUSER!!!! I LOVE THIS WEI SONG!!!!
One thing that I think people don’t realize is that black culture IS western culture and you can’t separate the two. Because of enslavement we were separated from our roots for SO LONG that we HAD to create our own things. That’s why we created things at such a rapid pace and our influence is everywhere. Most western music, popular or otherwise, has a black persons hand in it and often from the very beginning. Even things we don’t credit black people for. This isn’t just for music but fashion, popular media in general like television, and sports. And we STILL do it because at this point being creative and innovative is also ingrained in our culture. You literally cannot separate western culture and its inspiration from black culture. It’s almost impossible.
Ive been a stan for 12 years and its something i had to reconcile. To enjoy kpop is to realize its foundation is black music culture and making the decision to support it either way.
We owe so much of the music scene to the Black community. This was a great video
This video probably was inspired from the same discourse happening in kpop community.
Right now as of this moment, many big corporations in kpop like Hybe, SM and JYP are dipping their toes in Afrobeats/Amapiano music from Africa instead of music from African-American music scene which they have been doing since the beginning of kpop music scene.
This times it's different they have found the African music scene. I'm glad that African music is getting attention as of lately through different paltforms like TikTok and others. People are discovering African music scene and cool artists. Korea is no exception. Every Korean Gen Z was dancing and whining to water by tyla these past few months. It was everywhere. They all enjoyed it. Also some other amapiano music as well plus people were getting into Afro dances styles. A new cultural influence was being spread through internet. Everyone (in homogeneous countries around the world like Korea) wants to be able to dance like Africans. Whether these people actually respect Black people or not. Racism is still a problem in country like Korea despite the cultural influence.
What im saying is that these cultural influences especially of music and dance will be exploited by kpop companies. Lesserafim was performing their comback titles and all of sudden when they had to perform Smart they changed their whole outfit and were styled especially for this specific performance of track that was specifically inspired by the most popular amapiano song from a Grammy winner south african artist Tyla's water. Plus the lyrics and the pronunciation of the lyrics being so...African as well. Also the whole choreo was whining and lots of hips and leg work as you can see in Africna style dances. So it seems a big corporation that took the chance to hope on the hot trend of afrobeats/amapiano and not losing a minute to imply it in their grps music. Another thing to remember is that teb producers were also not black. It was a white man and korean producer. So tehy didn't even bothered to bring a black or an African producer to produce this track for authenticity. They just called these dudes and told them "we need a track like Water by Tyla" and these dudes made a plain track that's very much a hit or miss for people. I wish they did something differently keeping the amapiano inspiration. But to me the track falls flat. I was wishing it be more lesserafim but i was expecting a bit too muh when the company didn't bothered to credit the origin of inspiration for the track or hirong a black producer. The ethics are very much clear of these companies like hybe. Because when a racism scandal happens in kpop they barely educate their idols or apologize to their fans and stuff. Racial and international cultural education is still sucks in Korea unless you are specifically studying relevant subjects in university. The point is that these companies and people who are affluent by the black culture are still pretty much ignorant and complicit on these topics. There's a bit "forced" open-mindedness but critical thinking is required for open-mindedness as everywhere around the world. People may seem to accept non-korean people right now but the prejudice and blatant colorism and racism plus white supremacy still exists in Korea. It's frustrating how peopl don't see why people are actually criticizing this weird addition of track in the album when it feels incoherent in terms of sound. Its like they just had to add a cheap copy of amapiano in the album before the trend dies out. All of the performance seemed like they were trying too hard to stay on completely on the trend. Outfit style, music, dance style, singing style all were like a completely copying going on rather than implementing their own flare to it. Like they could have atleast directed a different performance but yeah...
They went from bright jolly disco era to dark grunge pop rock era to micheal jackson era to african inspired music era. There seems to be a reoccurring theme in hybe. But yeah.
They barely spoke out against racist fans who were harassing and abusing the black model in lesserafim's merch ad. It's like black people and their culture is nothing but an aesthetic to wear on conveniently for profit and never for educating and respecting them like human beings. Dreadlocks, dance styles, music genres, outfits etc. All inspired by black people. When there's a historical win for a Black artists in the west you will see these companies hoping on to that trend so they can give people good music(subjective).
Now there's nothing bad about trying new stuff but knowing how kpop industry, pop-culture and fandoms work, we do need to be careful and be able to distinguish between good and bad art. Smart by lesserafim was not it just like bolo by penomeco was not it. Tinnitus also got the heat as well but the song mostly had very txt's signature lyrics in terms of song writing. Plus they had their own flare in the track as well as choreo. Most importantly it was produced by a black producer so he got the paid well and the demo went viral as well. They credited hom specifically as well.
Right now the reaction seems very heated from people due the first(not certain) black female artist from south Africa who won an award for her album and got recognized by western mainstream media. It was a pretty big victory as she represented her country as well. So when you make water it down to a trend and aesthetics, the true original culture gets forgotten by other people. Like black people just can't have a win and celebrate it with peace bc it will be exploited and stolen away. Cultures are meant to be shared but i wonder if these cultures start to get exploited and taken advantage of is sharing really helping the original people? Considering how south Africa is and the racial segregation in SA, it feels bad to be giving these big racist companies money. I know bighit educated themselves but idk abt source music. Bc hybe is filled many companies with different work ethics.
As you can see lots of ppl might be giving constructive criticism but those who are stupid haters and antis they hoped on this wagon as an opportunity to hate on lesserafim. What was supposed to be a serious criticism snowballed into a hateful energy. It's really frustrating because all grps involved can't seems to have nuanced knowledge of this issue and context. Everything is being simplified into a hate trend on lesserafim. Kpop fans truly are incapable of giving constructive criticism and will lose their morals for their favs due obssessive stan culture. Your queens are not slaying like you think they are. Easy is a great track but smart is a weird track. Neither good nor bad. A cheap copy almost. They didn't deserve this.
Anyways i hope my point went across. And what i stated is based on books, cultural analysis i did for my thesis and can be solely a personal viee on this issue. I just wanted to shre my thoughts bc maybe a new perspective might help ppl understand why they are getting criticism. Though i could be horribly wrong but i just wanted to share this as its seems to be a reoccurring conclusion of observation of korean view on other races especially black culture. Idk feel free to disagree and share your thoughts why i might be wrong. Remember, saying it's not that deep is simply a privilege that kills critical thinking. Using our brains a little won't hurt even with things we consume for escapism from reality. Lets be a little more conscious and not give money to someone who's doesn't bother to respect us consumers as a person even tho its inevitable in late capitalism era. Not everything is about fun and being carefree.
thank you for writing all this! i liked smart on first listen but felt kind of weird continuing to listen to the song after hearing about the direct influence from others. i'm not on twitter or tiktok so had no idea about the harassment of one of hybe's black models but wow...not a good look for hybe or their fans at all.
do you happen to have any music recs from actual african artists/producers? i only know of tyla at the moment but would like to look into supporting more artists.
This is a long read, but I am glad I read through this. It had very clear points that well-articulated a lot of issues that occurs when globalization, art (music), and critical reception all interplay. I also appreciate your acknowledgement of nuances with art sharing, the line of exploitation, immoral versus lazy production, and the perspective on racism.
I appreciate this comment a lot! It doesn't simply treat the 'Smart' situation as a taking-sides situation because it's not simply about liking a song. This is about understanding the significance of intentional, purposeful music-making with respect to the genre and manner of performance.
I had a hard time with the discourse around the song for a bit since I am not exposed to Black culture firsthand (I live in Asia), only knowing most of this information online. So, a well-informed and dissected take on this is very appreciated so that I could also know how I could frame my thinking with other similar songs in the future. To see and assess the nuances of appreciation, respect, appropriation, and (intentional or ignorant) racism.
Thanks for writing this :)
My apologies to whoever read this as English is not my first language and I might have made many mistakes. Also I'm an Asian person who tends who reads a lot and has a background in linguistics and race/cultural studies. This was all my own observation and I just wanted to share a new perspective for people to understand the reaction Smart is getting from people. If you have read through all of it thank you for being patient for hearing me out.
@@hanblue1225 English is not your first language, but you articulated very well :)
when smart first came out i was like “they do not deserve to afro beat song when they don’t respect afro people”😂
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I’m perfectly okay with Kpop being influenced by Black Culture! I just want Kpop fans to be aware of it. Thanks for the video ❤
frrrr(im black and luv kpop and self aware its built on our music!) 😊
@ Yeah I’m black too and I just wish idols would not be racist, but it looks like they are def doing better on that these days.
i love your video, it was very educative and i learned more about music genres now! i hope this video blows up
ICONIC.
This is something that is and should be known by the overall kpop community but because it makes them "uncomfortable", they always try to shut it down by gaslighting or straight denying it. This is also one of the reasons some people refuse to listen to kpop (plus the fact they sing in another language so they are even more put off but I consider that just being close-minded).
You've always had some of the best kpop music videos, quality and TASTE.
I was wondering since I don't know much about different genres used in songs but is Switch With Me from JYP and Rain New Jack Swing?
yes
It’s also a plagiarized version of Every Little Step by Bobby Brown.
this video makes me smile so big. 🥺💗
This video makes me angry on so many levels. Black people have contributed much to the world, and not just music and sports.
ugh yes the hip-hop section - hit after hit
where would music and pop culture be without black american culture
Still stuck in the Big Band Jazz era, or god forbid, banjo solo country music.
@@motownstickman8959The good old Minute 😂
@@motownstickman8959 Jazz wouldn’t even exist either.
Is water wet? I love K-pop because it makes new New Jack Swing songs and helps build the audience for classic R&B.
Pleasantly surprised about Moombahton!!! It's one of my favorite genres and I assumed it was a sub genre of Reggeaton but I'm glad to know it's a mix of two cultures!!!
I think it'd be interesting to talk about how the very first K-pop artists came into contact with music pioneered by Black people in Itaewon clubs where Koreans and American GIs crossed paths!
THANK YOU !!!! 😭 Black girl groups in the 2000s walked so kpop ggs could run .
Black 2000s girl groups ran so that kpop girl groups could walk
Truth! ❤
Oop, someone deleted my previous comment, but I’ll say it again: Black 2000s ggs ran so that kpop ggs could walk
been realizing my love for house recently and I read an article about how it came to be. on july 12, 1979, a group of anti disco protestors held a riot against disco and burned tons of records that were not only disco, but by black artists and general. since disco clubs originated in black and latino lgbt clubs and was typically and only safe space these people had. after disco's fall out, most electronic music of its caliber was forced to go underground again and house music came to be as a result. maybe next time people want to discredit black people's influence and sacrifice for their favorite music, they should do some more reading
Was that the infamous 'disco sucks night' before a Chicago baseball game?
im literally so mad about the afrobeats and amapiono trends their doing cheap copies and their eating up doing the dance covers and all recreating outfits when its a cheap watered-down version of tyla or some wizkid copy and then their all going to move on to the next trend
Excellent work & research! I just became a K-pop fan in early 2023, & 1 of the best surprises to me was the influence of '90s new jack swing music. I'm Gen-X, so I've been alive during all the genres since funk & disco. I verify all of your info. 2 extra points: I notice heavy, specific influences from Micheal & Janet Jackson in choreography (RAIN & BoA for example). And I also love the reggae sound influences in K-pop ("troll" by IU, "why so lonely" by Wonder Girls).
My ult though, is RAIN & JYP's "switch to me" song - which has a direct link to Bobby Brown's "every little step" song. I wish more of the world knew how great & varied K-pop music is. Thanks.
That song was plagiarised by JYP…
its wild how much black culture gives but are so blatantly disrepected like cmon now.
this was really interesting !! i loved it sm, and i appreciate these genres even more knowing where they originated from and how they've developed now ! i'd love more videos like this :D
i hope kpop fans find this video to educate ourselves! what a fun way to learn things omg thank you for this one!!!
Education! Great video, I always get into arguments about music because I listen to so much different stuff. 9 out of 10 times they have no clue what they are talking about.
Thank you for making this video!!!
This is such a good video and something I've been thinking about for a while! Thanks so much for making it :D
I'm black and I never knew kpop was based on black culture but they still make fan of black people it sucks I'm also a kpop fan
Great video! I'm thankful for all the good music that's been made in Kpop and comes from Black culture.
As usual, very informitive video. Thanxx🧡🧡
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Literally, and that's why the fact the kpop fans think they can exclude black people from auditioning is infuriating. Like how are you gonna try to include people from a genre that is heavily inspired by those people's culture and contributions.
my general rule of listening to music for a while is that if it slaps the genre was probably made or inspired by black people and pocs and tbh- this video just reinforces that idea lol
So much of K-pop is inspired and/or taken from black culture, specifically African American culture, but recently some have stepped outside just that and gone for Afro beats and Amapiano. See this would be a problem, in on itself it isn’t. But when you also dislike the exact same people you take from, don’t give them credit and use their culture for aesthetics. It’s a problem!
r&b, disco, house, uk garage and new jack swing are my favorites
Amapiano mention ?? you really cooked here. FINALLY SOMEBODY MENTIONED THIS. i thought i was the only one that noticed the trend. you're so #REAL for this 💯💯
this why we lauv youuuu ❤️😭✨
2:21 응?트리플에스가 왜 여기에?? 🎉
thank you so much for this
This is such a cool video! I learned a lot, thanks so much!
Love the thumbnail
Thank you for making this, reminding us for the best. But if I can comment a bit, I thought you will talked about the connection between kpop as an industry to black culture as a whole. Well, the video is very on brand with your channel, but I guess the title should be "is kpop MUSIC built on black culture". But yeah thats just my opinion
Another thing that I think influenced the making of kpop is actually the 90's-2000s era of jpop. At that time, so many japanese hitmaker are either inspired by hip-hop or rnb, i'm pretty sure idol system are already spreding out then. Since I came to kpop in 2nd gen, I wonder why so many kpop artists collab with older jpop artists, thus I learned about that. And one company that consistently pushed the western sound of jpop is actually Avex, the same company that made XGALX.
Also thank you for listing all the reference
The idol training system was based on the training system of Motown (that's why it's called SMTown), so there is some connection to the industry as well.
@@hope3290 ofc they are, but even SM was always known to have a close relationship with japanese artists and their company
It looks like an evolution of music but in kpop anyways black people music has a very big influence in music industry.
All the "keep kpop korean" fans need to watch this
where is the trot music
5:03 wait i didn't know this and i'm jamaican...
Well done!!!!
off topic but I LOVE change up so much. it's one of seventeen's best songs and so underrated❤😭
The lack of *authenticity*.
I saw a music video with Korean students dancing with the artists. That's what I'm talking about. You know how pressuring exams can be. How stressful it is for children to grow in this society, they can easily feel insecure about their body, feeling like they're not good enough. Well the message is let's dance outside of school, let's sweat, let's have fun no matter if you're black, white, fat, skinny or whatever.
But like I see these kpop bands making songs and choregraphies with huge hip hop influences and like.... They're so attractive, so cute, so pale, so perfect... All of their dancers are skinny and attractive... Like... 💀 I don't believe hip hop is a black people genre but you don't really have the spirit I'm just saying.
Excellent video, thank you.
“Keep K-pop Korean” would be fuming at this video if they aren’t already..
awesome video :)
Fantastic! And then to see both 2Z and Oneus!? That's what I like.
I love new jack swing sm literally my favorite genre ever
Are there any kpop genres that weren't heavily influenced/pioneered by African Americans? :O
I'm pretty sure trot (traditional Korean music) is the only one
great video
i loved the little history mini facts
The pop genre stole a lot of things from black music and kpop is based on pop music, so yes
Exactly.
I just saw a k- POP afrobeat song, I’ve seen it all. 😂 it didn’t sound bad tho
tbh i still don’t know the difference between hip hop and trap
trap is a subgenre of hip hop so they are pretty similar, but trap has more electronic sounds like synths
@@eli-oh3oq thanks!
do you study music by any chance ??
no I'm currently in school for graphic design 😭 this is all just stuff I learn on the side
@@KpopStuffs oh, well i also have an interest for music-related things (genre break-downs, production, album cover designs, visualizers etc...) so yeah, i love your content, and appreciate the effort you put into it !
Yes!! Speak on it🤍
amen!!!
What is the song in the intro?
diffuser by wei !
@@KpopStuffs ohh thank you
yes 100%
Almost all of these songs I can hear the original song done by Black Americans… the beat and pattern. Never knew Asians were doing this! That’s a lawsuit in the States
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Nice. REPARATIONS TIME!!!
YES.
hip hop who influence kpop is build on asian culture. hip hop pionners admitted bruce lee and kung fu movies played a major role at shaping hip hop.breakdance moves were lifted from kung fu movies. rap and dance battle are also influenced by these movies,battle is the essence of hiphop.grandmaster flash created the quick mix theory the base of all hip hop beat with his platines by mimicking bruce lee.and all hip hop r&b records use 808 drums created in japan .
so kpop booriw from black folks who have mimicked asian.so kpop is build on asian culture.
Source - Trust me bro
Bro what?😂
@@leteflondondu92 back here to educate you real quick, black people created hip hop , rap music was a way for them to story tell their struggles initially because they faced a lot of discrimination and were looked down upon. stop spreading misinformation trying to act like Asians created it 😭 dumbest shit I’ve ever heard
BY THA WAY K POP SUCKS!
Not you deleting comments that disagree 💀
What is there to disagree with lmfao
May I ask what is there to disagree with? The entire foundations of modern k-pop and its training system is built of the likes of Motown and Micheal Jackson, let alone the music. K-pop was built on black culture and it still influences it today, no denying of that
@@bbi2.052 That kpop is built on black "culture"
@@coralskpopcorner Just bcuz they rap, it doesn't mean it's black influence. And so what that a black person might've first done some music genre? White people popularized and evolved it into what it is today. There is literally nothing black about kpop.
i haven't removed anything myself I've been asleep for most of the time this videos been public 😭😭 but one person did comment so much that youtube started flagging their account as spam
as a black person myself I gotta say this is an L take
do u care to elaborate or r u just 😭
@@KpopStuffs it's giving kpop idols are leeching off of black people while simultaneously discounting all of the non-black people who contributed a lot if not more to these genres I can see how you can use this to point out that black people were involved in creating or helping to popularize many popular kpop genres and concepts of today but to say that it suddenly means kpop was built on black culture is one hell of a stretch and it's very toxic
@bangchanslove6398 I'll be honest I do not see how saying this is toxic and I apologize if it wasn't clear in the video but I am not saying this is the only influence on kpop 😭🙏 looking at the history of the industry it's just clear that it was modeled off of western pop music, which is largely inspired by black cultures. but if u interpret the title as toxic or exaggerating then that is my bad
@@KpopStuffs Thank you for clarifying, but how is a song being a jazz or rnb genre mean that it's "inspired" by black culture, I don't quite understand that. It's just a song in a sound made by people who happen to be of a certain background, how is culture of any importance here?
@bangchanslove6398 since the creators of these genres r so rarely credited especially within the kpop industry specifically, I just felt its important to acknowledge them. there's also the fact that for many of these genres they are inherently tied to black history, genres invented from club scenes are reflections of the marginalized groups that would make up those spaces. hip hop is a great example of a musical genre that also reflects the social climate the people making it were living thru. you don't necessarily need all this info to enjoy a song, but to me it's just basic respect to understand when something has cultural importance to it
no. its built on south korean culture.
It clearly shows you in this video what music genres used in kpop came from black communities. Before SeoTaji and the Boys(the first kpop group) popularized these new sounds (mainly hip hop) in Korea, the most popular genre of music was Korean Trot which was inspired by Japan Trot.
Remember that kpop is not a music genre, it is an industry. This is why idol groups can have songs that sound completely different, because they can range from multiple different genres/subgenres of music!
@@Shrekteez okay, sound was made by the first reptiles on the planet, but noises and ''communication through words'' Was something we humans evolutionary picked up from monkeys. Do you want me to call all the koreans, black people, mexicans, white people, everyone who talks a monkey wannabe? And that ''black'' music is just wannabe monkeys making sounds? No? Because even though the origin of something that pertains in something was created by something else, doesnt mean that the creation itself has to be classified as from the same? I dont call jazz monkey wannabemusic and you dont call kpop black community based or derivative work. Every single song that is created is a work put in by the people that create it, the instruments and different things used to create that music might not be made by them, that doesnt mean that their songs arent their songs.
If you watched the video and still said this then you’re committed to being ignorant and you’re beyond help.
Inspiration from 1990s American boy and girl groups + Blacks' Hip Hop + J-pop Training System & Idol Worshipping Culture. See how NCT & TripleS are applying the AKB48 system. Produce 101 & Boys/Girls Planet shows are annual sousenkyos.
Whats south korean about jazz, hiphop, funk, rock etc. As the person above stated Kpop ,is heavily inspired by Black american culture and Jpop. Only the language and the performers are south korean.
YES I WAS WAITING FOR A VIDEO LIKE THIS 🤍🤍🤍 as a black person literally i couldn’t be happier
I love your videos man you always show me good music to add to my playlists😢
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