Confusion guide TL;DR: The author is devoid of responsibility and decisiveness and tries to play 2 guilds without committing to any one of them and deluding herself that others are being unreasonable for not going along with her shenanigans. The leaders of the guild she's leaving are prolonging the drama and leading an idiotic investigation instead of just kicking her in 2 minutes and being done with it. Textbook pointless drama over nothing.
At first I thought it was going to be a story about the author being taken for a ride by control freaks. At the end I was thinking "they all deserve each other".
The entire last 15 minutes of this video I just kept saying, "Why is this conversation still going on?" every 30 seconds. I'm still finishing up the video and just keep saying it. I just heard them ask AGAIN, "So what is it you want now?" and I just can't believe that the conversation is still happening. I'd have been gone a LONG time ago.
"You're using God power emotes!" Proceeds to not be self-aware and having been doing God Power Emotes the entire time. Look, I used to RP. I got tired of it when I figured out that basically everyone just roleplays "Pay attention to meeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!" rather than trying to tell a story. Basically, it's amateur writing hour for 5th graders, even when some of these people are 20 and over. Any sanely run RP has these 3 rules to do with "God Moding". 1. You cannot finish your actions by stating what happens to the other RPer. That is, if you can say you swung your sword at them, but not that they took the hit from the sword. If they elect to take the hit from the sword, they need to say what happens. This is to allow players some leeway in making fighting acts exciting. 2. You are not invincible, immortal, or can dodge everything. You do not have movie star action powers. You can't pull out last minute Deus Ex Machina powers, skills, abilities, to "win" a fight or "avoid death". If what you're doing would happen in an action movie, an anime, or a video game, to win the fight, you do not have access to this. Your skills, limitations, and abilities are established before your fight and MUST be somewhere on your character sheet/bio/or known to the players you are with. Your job is to make the fight interesting. As such, you will take some hits. You will run out of stamina at some point. You will not be "untouchable" and "unassailable". You are putting on a performance. You do not have to have your character die, but your actions should be reasonable and within the realm of realism. 3. All fights SHOULD have a "referee" of some sort to prevent shenanigans. Someone to call out players exercising Godmoding among other things. This "referee" should be completely impartial and SHOULD be the arbiter of fairness. This referee should have their priorities set to "ensuring it's a good show". That is, making sure it's interesting, fair, and exciting. They can void the entire fight if they need to for getting ridiculous, being boring, or players breaking too many rules. That is, the fight didn't happen because it wasn't Roleplayed. And, then, my own UNOFFICIAL rule that I've adopted because so many Roleplayers are just... horrible at it. 4. Your character is NOT you. If you CANNOT separate out your character from yourself, then you aren't Roleplaying. You are attention-seeking. It isn't my job to love you enough because mommy and daddy didn't. It isn't my job to shower you with the adoration you wish your peers would give you. If my character doesn't like yours, that's my character not liking yours. This is not me not liking you. You should not get upset that my character is doing things to your character, or is treating your character badly, or doesn't want to hang out with your character. Likewise, if my character has positive experiences with yours, this is not me having a positive experience with you. My character getting into a relationship with yours is NOT me getting into a relationship with you. I am here to tell stories in a group setting. I am not here to fill some void in my life or hole in my heart with random strangers. Yes, this even works if you and I are in a real relationship together. Just because I am with you, does not mean my character needs to be with yours. If you cannot separate yourself from your character, then I have no interest in Roleplaying with you. Again, I am here to tell stories and to exercise my writing.
Jesus that end conversion at 1:02:55, this is Hitlers talk with Franco, the one where he says he would rather have his teeth removed than go trough that again. This is a man who survived being gassed in WW1
The entire guild needs to be linked to the DSM's section on personality disorders with linking examples of Holly's and Tountas' past behaviors.. emotional manipulation, public shaming and humilation, insane expectations of unquestioning loyalty, complete inability to take any criticism, etc.. you can't have a conversation with that.. they want a lengthy conversation where they get more of a chance to manipulate and deceive you..
Hey there, author of the first story, I wanna thank you again Preach for reading it. I hope the second part that I sent in didn't come off as too bitchy on my part. In case anyone thinks the story's a bit inconsistent, I think it's some of Preach's rendition that made it come off as a bit inconsistent: I was indeed guildless at the time, they all went crazy in /say, and the guild leader unignored me just to tell me that I am being silly for taking on high level characters. I probably should've taken them on... BATMAN STYLE!
@Isopropyl It was on Sha'tar at the time (Odd he didn't mention this, I wrote it in the story), but yeah, it was something akin to an Argent Dawn event. Fun fact, "Holly" reappeared in Cataclysm within another guild, and there is a whole other story in there.
This is why we have personal loot sadly lol! Also, I enjoyed the author passive aggression."Maybe you should consider planning a raid team without me." lol
How exactly did the guy in the first story know what the guild chat was saying after he logged on allegedly guildless? Also super curious how the GM who allegedly ignored him knew that he said it was "silly." Calling BS on this one.
Mon Dieu... a pair of massive narcissists running the guild demanding extreme unerring personal loyalty including unquestioning devotion.. not sure how OP didn't realize that.. psychology 101..
I’d like to say that, I know it will shock people, have met some good people on to realms. You do have some strange folks there but generally speaking unless you go out of your way to look for certain things you won’t find certain things.
My guild (a very large one) does advertise no drama, and they do legitimately keep drama out of the guild. But I've been in a lot of guilds that were not like this...I guess I'm fortunate to have this.
The comment about the curtains closed means he would literally only laugh if absolutely NO ONE, not even a random guy passing by in the street knew about it. Edit: and then i listened to your following comments and yea, hit the nail on the head XD
7:42 And here we have, ladies and gentlemen, The look of innocence... And how we all know this first “rp” story will end, thus does all people’s innocence face soon vanish when exposed to “rp”.
Hi :) Second author here. I will gracefully accept chat's judgment of 2015 me, but i wanted to clarify that the Quebec community is not racist at all! That's not what I meant by inappropriate jokes! I didn't shame my friends, I thought they were hilarious just because my everyday life has too much decorum. Also, we have genuinely talented and kind players out there, so don't be afraid to team up with them. Stay safe and healthy
what's funny about a creative outlet? some people use it as inspiration for writing or any number of things. I don't get it either, but don't shit one someone's fun, you know?
I think the only place that does have a cabal is ESO. Seeing as those people are more than willing to publicly shame you on the forums and "Ban you" from hanging out with them. Source: It happened to me. I was a victim of RP Cancel Culture.
@@Kalgert Bizzare, never heard about that. Been on ED, Moonguard, WrA and never really ran into any people like that, guilds that reqiure use of DnD addons or rollimg mechanics are usually pretty open and by-the-book in my experience. Though there's of course occasional lunatics.
@@GlobstersMessenger It does depend on server community I guess. While my stay on Sha'tar didn't have any kind of cabal of this kind, Argent Dawn certainly seems to have some small semblance of one in the form of a Roleplay Network that they established (Essentially different guilds of every faction being connected). Did hear some of those guilds going through background searches through some third-party website to see who is a "Troll" or not based on forum posts. Elder Scrolls Online however's a different issue: One server on EU, the big guilds essentially cannibalizing the smaller guilds, your username being up there for everyone to see. So if you are in bad graces with someone, they'll spread your name and eventually you're essentially fucked. It's basically Vanilla-styled blacklisting, only it's account-wide rather than character-wide, which sucks.
Holly's setup was something straight outta Conan. I like it. Problem is, you GOT to incorporate the /ch and /emotes into action. You can't just have unchecked immunity to hold a guy hostage with whatever /rp MC you can concoct. If you are slitting a guy up piece by piece, actually kill him with an emote adding a body part each time as you camp him. But to just mind control someone like a dad playing peekaboo for 2 hrs with his 40yr old kid. It's amazing. You're a Ken Doll.... essentially
the rules of rp is no other player can control your player i.e saying you are nocked unconcious. this is called god modding/emoting. YOu cant fore say control another players actions.
Roleplay is for interesting social interaction outside of "fuck u noob, lerm mekanicks". The core fun revolves around acting. If you enjoy acting, then roleplaying is a natural segue into that pastime. From experience, 99% of roleplay is light, fun and doesn't cross into any weird drama territory. But boy when that 1% drama pops up, it's funny. Unfortunately, those are the only things people outside of the RP community hear about is when some big RP drama bash happens and everyone makes fun of it. In short: Goldshire is an exception, not the rule. Lol.
Do you see the appeal of, let's say, Dungeons and Dragons or creative writing exercises? Or acting, drama, perfoming? It has elements of all of those things. There's fundamentally no difference between being able to enjoy those things and being able to enjoy RP in certain video games. Much like DnD, creative writing, acting, drama, performing etc. it doesn't mean you're dumb or lesser or something for not enjoying it yourself, but the appeal is pretty easy to see and understand. Characters can be developed both through your own thoughts in your head and through interacting with others. Storylines can progress and involve multiple different "contributors". You can play off-the-cuff and think on your feet or you can be involved in more scripted material. It's fundamentally quite similar to various other creative activities. Most RP that actually occurs is nothing like the weird shit you hear about on drama time. Much like how most raiding guilds are not as bad as the insane cesspool guilds on drama time.
Confusion guide TL;DR:
The author is devoid of responsibility and decisiveness and tries to play 2 guilds without committing to any one of them and deluding herself that others are being unreasonable for not going along with her shenanigans.
The leaders of the guild she's leaving are prolonging the drama and leading an idiotic investigation instead of just kicking her in 2 minutes and being done with it. Textbook pointless drama over nothing.
Tldr2: author can't choose between 2 guilds and is scared of offending anyone, GMs mad bc _heresy,_ other officers tell them to calm down.
At first I thought it was going to be a story about the author being taken for a ride by control freaks. At the end I was thinking "they all deserve each other".
OP could've also ended it in 2 minutes. Both parties are at fault and could've ended all that time-wasting bullshit much sooner.
The entire last 15 minutes of this video I just kept saying, "Why is this conversation still going on?" every 30 seconds. I'm still finishing up the video and just keep saying it. I just heard them ask AGAIN, "So what is it you want now?" and I just can't believe that the conversation is still happening. I'd have been gone a LONG time ago.
The warrior apprehends me : "Stay still..." That was so funny hahaha ,😂😂
"My logs are so good, they're not grey, they're opaque" - Preach 2020
Am I the only one who has no effing clue whats going on from around 40 minutes onwards?
No, you are not.
And i think this is one of those stories for which the random naming is really detrimental to the understanding.
I came to the conclusion that both parties are retarded. So am I but that doesn't matter. Anyway, I have no clue.
@@Consumer0001, does this count as racism against women?
Alex K that would be sexism ...
@@WCamden, that's what a racist would say.
* slowly walks over to Preach's open casket. then yells DUEL ME THOO
Conclusion: Preach needs to do more french accent voices
always happy to see a drama time upload. thank you for the effort preach.
"You're using God power emotes!" Proceeds to not be self-aware and having been doing God Power Emotes the entire time.
Look, I used to RP. I got tired of it when I figured out that basically everyone just roleplays "Pay attention to meeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!" rather than trying to tell a story. Basically, it's amateur writing hour for 5th graders, even when some of these people are 20 and over.
Any sanely run RP has these 3 rules to do with "God Moding".
1. You cannot finish your actions by stating what happens to the other RPer. That is, if you can say you swung your sword at them, but not that they took the hit from the sword. If they elect to take the hit from the sword, they need to say what happens. This is to allow players some leeway in making fighting acts exciting.
2. You are not invincible, immortal, or can dodge everything. You do not have movie star action powers. You can't pull out last minute Deus Ex Machina powers, skills, abilities, to "win" a fight or "avoid death". If what you're doing would happen in an action movie, an anime, or a video game, to win the fight, you do not have access to this. Your skills, limitations, and abilities are established before your fight and MUST be somewhere on your character sheet/bio/or known to the players you are with. Your job is to make the fight interesting. As such, you will take some hits. You will run out of stamina at some point. You will not be "untouchable" and "unassailable". You are putting on a performance. You do not have to have your character die, but your actions should be reasonable and within the realm of realism.
3. All fights SHOULD have a "referee" of some sort to prevent shenanigans. Someone to call out players exercising Godmoding among other things. This "referee" should be completely impartial and SHOULD be the arbiter of fairness. This referee should have their priorities set to "ensuring it's a good show". That is, making sure it's interesting, fair, and exciting. They can void the entire fight if they need to for getting ridiculous, being boring, or players breaking too many rules. That is, the fight didn't happen because it wasn't Roleplayed.
And, then, my own UNOFFICIAL rule that I've adopted because so many Roleplayers are just... horrible at it.
4. Your character is NOT you. If you CANNOT separate out your character from yourself, then you aren't Roleplaying. You are attention-seeking. It isn't my job to love you enough because mommy and daddy didn't. It isn't my job to shower you with the adoration you wish your peers would give you. If my character doesn't like yours, that's my character not liking yours. This is not me not liking you. You should not get upset that my character is doing things to your character, or is treating your character badly, or doesn't want to hang out with your character. Likewise, if my character has positive experiences with yours, this is not me having a positive experience with you. My character getting into a relationship with yours is NOT me getting into a relationship with you. I am here to tell stories in a group setting. I am not here to fill some void in my life or hole in my heart with random strangers. Yes, this even works if you and I are in a real relationship together. Just because I am with you, does not mean my character needs to be with yours. If you cannot separate yourself from your character, then I have no interest in Roleplaying with you. Again, I am here to tell stories and to exercise my writing.
The last story is truly infuriating. The indecisiveness and carelessness is astounding.
The story with the french people was absolutely incredible.
"The only way to entertain a dead horse, is to bring along a Necromancer" -Sylvanas
Rule 1: You can't please everybody, don't try.
you could have worked in radio in the 1920s. this was amazing and I was captivated. ty
Jesus that end conversion at 1:02:55, this is Hitlers talk with Franco, the one where he says he would rather have his teeth removed than go trough that again.
This is a man who survived being gassed in WW1
About time!!! I've been waiting for this!! So excited
That last story was ridiculous.
The entire guild needs to be linked to the DSM's section on personality disorders with linking examples of Holly's and Tountas' past behaviors.. emotional manipulation, public shaming and humilation, insane expectations of unquestioning loyalty, complete inability to take any criticism, etc.. you can't have a conversation with that.. they want a lengthy conversation where they get more of a chance to manipulate and deceive you..
this has become my new favorite show.
Ooh la la, that second story was hard work. Great job delivering it though Preach
For being French, nobody in that story was willing to entertain the idea of surrender.
2nd story is like cesspool guild bingo
2021 Preach Con aboard a MEGA discount Cruise ship, imho. Wedding suites for eveyrone!
As a long time unholy DK, I've been preparing myself for this for a long long time Bois.
Hey there, author of the first story, I wanna thank you again Preach for reading it. I hope the second part that I sent in didn't come off as too bitchy on my part.
In case anyone thinks the story's a bit inconsistent, I think it's some of Preach's rendition that made it come off as a bit inconsistent: I was indeed guildless at the time, they all went crazy in /say, and the guild leader unignored me just to tell me that I am being silly for taking on high level characters.
I probably should've taken them on... BATMAN STYLE!
I did think you handled it well.... unlike the other people.
seems they are the amateurs in the RP and you were quite knowledgeable.
@Isopropyl It was on Sha'tar at the time (Odd he didn't mention this, I wrote it in the story), but yeah, it was something akin to an Argent Dawn event.
Fun fact, "Holly" reappeared in Cataclysm within another guild, and there is a whole other story in there.
This is why we have personal loot sadly lol! Also, I enjoyed the author passive aggression."Maybe you should consider planning a raid team without me." lol
Drama time on my birthday, hell yeah!
"We have been balls deep in Pokemon" - Preach, 2020.
Also, play TemTem!
TY Blizz for Personal loot
Privately laughing at a joke but publicly shaming it is the literal definition of virtue signaling and he isn't even aware of it.
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the argentdawn sever is a place to avoid, especially the deeprun tram area, known as the dodgy grope zone.
I just hope there are a few of you guys out there, who are sat at home, getting paid, and playing mad games.
if youre at an rp event, hell even a guild event, and youre getting ignored by literally everyone, thats your excuse to just leave
Here from 2021, nope we're still dealing with the pandemic *bigsad*
Thanks preach I needed some distraction
perfect timing
OMG imagine if Streamers had their funerals streamed would Twitch even allow it? I highly doubt it on second thought.
I can't believe it's been 4 years
The most common work in WoW raiding... Semi Hardcore...
the one benefit of Nazzi germany and USSR, atleast they did better then the average cesspool guild does
How exactly did the guy in the first story know what the guild chat was saying after he logged on allegedly guildless? Also super curious how the GM who allegedly ignored him knew that he said it was "silly." Calling BS on this one.
I left a comment explaining this, should be around here somewhere, but TL:DR of it is: They were going crazy in /say, and the leader unignored me.
Oh man, that action! HHAHAHA
Mon Dieu... a pair of massive narcissists running the guild demanding extreme unerring personal loyalty including unquestioning devotion.. not sure how OP didn't realize that.. psychology 101..
Can someone explain the Tiny Hippos meme?
I’d like to say that, I know it will shock people, have met some good people on to realms. You do have some strange folks there but generally speaking unless you go out of your way to look for certain things you won’t find certain things.
I once earned the title of "HR" in a guild I was an officer in! I hope your HR is as effective as I was.
When’s the fresh account coming ?
Just to echo 52:23 , my god thats a horrible play, the worst thing you could ever do is stir up the hornets nest when nothing has ACTUALLY HAPPEND YET
No wonder the Treaty of Versailles went to shit.
GG another great drama
"I will lead Team 4"
This last story is just awful. It's way too long and it consists almost entirely of morons who are unable to commit to a decision.
Who is actually at fault here who is actually at fault here who is actually at fault here
You should roll a RP character and see what happens!
"ultra death ray"
is 11 out or 10 on the stupid scale.
Yeah RP "combat" is super cringey. I don't play RP often, but my Total RP combat setting is set to in game normal duels.
At what time do you usually live stream these? i'd like to see it live sometime
4pm Friday gmt
ShadLOWlands
.... He .... knows :)
I’ve raided with French Quebec. US stormrage they’re def a group lol
The 2nd author took way to long to make the call, pack her stuff and leave. :-O
My guild (a very large one) does advertise no drama, and they do legitimately keep drama out of the guild. But I've been in a lot of guilds that were not like this...I guess I'm fortunate to have this.
Hey. The guild I have is no drama. That’s because I am the only one in the guild. Great way to live 🤪
I miss the old intro :(
The comment about the curtains closed means he would literally only laugh if absolutely NO ONE, not even a random guy passing by in the street knew about it.
Edit: and then i listened to your following comments and yea, hit the nail on the head XD
15:57
A RP guild had an interview? TF
7:42
And here we have, ladies and gentlemen,
The look of innocence...
And how we all know this first “rp” story will end, thus does all people’s innocence face soon vanish when exposed to “rp”.
Imagine being that on the fence from joining a CE guild
Hi :) Second author here. I will gracefully accept chat's judgment of 2015 me, but i wanted to clarify that the Quebec community is not racist at all! That's not what I meant by inappropriate jokes! I didn't shame my friends, I thought they were hilarious just because my everyday life has too much decorum. Also, we have genuinely talented and kind players out there, so don't be afraid to team up with them. Stay safe and healthy
God damn Quebecers!
(Ontarian here :p)
Y'all guilty af
hey... the French Canadian accent and the European French accent aren't the same! tabarnack.
It's hilarious to me that any adult could enjoy online RP
what's funny about a creative outlet? some people use it as inspiration for writing or any number of things. I don't get it either, but don't shit one someone's fun, you know?
if you're in some RP that you think is dumb literally just leave, it's not like there's some RP cabal on every server that will blacklist you.
I think the only place that does have a cabal is ESO. Seeing as those people are more than willing to publicly shame you on the forums and "Ban you" from hanging out with them.
Source: It happened to me. I was a victim of RP Cancel Culture.
@@Kalgert Bizzare, never heard about that. Been on ED, Moonguard, WrA and never really ran into any people like that, guilds that reqiure use of DnD addons or rollimg mechanics are usually pretty open and by-the-book in my experience. Though there's of course occasional lunatics.
@@GlobstersMessenger It does depend on server community I guess. While my stay on Sha'tar didn't have any kind of cabal of this kind, Argent Dawn certainly seems to have some small semblance of one in the form of a Roleplay Network that they established (Essentially different guilds of every faction being connected). Did hear some of those guilds going through background searches through some third-party website to see who is a "Troll" or not based on forum posts.
Elder Scrolls Online however's a different issue: One server on EU, the big guilds essentially cannibalizing the smaller guilds, your username being up there for everyone to see. So if you are in bad graces with someone, they'll spread your name and eventually you're essentially fucked. It's basically Vanilla-styled blacklisting, only it's account-wide rather than character-wide, which sucks.
Clown fiesta
Holly's setup was something straight outta Conan. I like it. Problem is, you GOT to incorporate the /ch and /emotes into action.
You can't just have unchecked immunity to hold a guy hostage with whatever /rp MC you can concoct. If you are slitting a guy up piece by piece, actually kill him with an emote adding a body part each time as you camp him. But to just mind control someone like a dad playing peekaboo for 2 hrs with his 40yr old kid. It's amazing. You're a Ken Doll.... essentially
the rules of rp is no other player can control your player i.e saying you are nocked unconcious. this is called god modding/emoting. YOu cant fore say control another players actions.
"As often happens racist jokes happens in guilds" Nah not all guilds but obviously in your guild as we have seen before.
No reason to resub to this game unless they bring back mage tower skins
There are so much more better content. Mythic raiding and arena ar so fun right now
Good lord, 7:40 in and the cringe is already getting high.
The last author is horrible lol
we all know it's gonna be a great drama when there are girls involved
Are people compensating for something with such shitty RP?
"But it hasn't been going down like that... No it hasn't..."
"Noooo. It was a shitshow. Obviously."
I blame the millennials.
Roleplay is so strange honestly. I do not see the appeal at all.
Roleplay is for interesting social interaction outside of "fuck u noob, lerm mekanicks". The core fun revolves around acting. If you enjoy acting, then roleplaying is a natural segue into that pastime. From experience, 99% of roleplay is light, fun and doesn't cross into any weird drama territory. But boy when that 1% drama pops up, it's funny. Unfortunately, those are the only things people outside of the RP community hear about is when some big RP drama bash happens and everyone makes fun of it.
In short: Goldshire is an exception, not the rule. Lol.
Do you see the appeal of, let's say, Dungeons and Dragons or creative writing exercises? Or acting, drama, perfoming? It has elements of all of those things. There's fundamentally no difference between being able to enjoy those things and being able to enjoy RP in certain video games.
Much like DnD, creative writing, acting, drama, performing etc. it doesn't mean you're dumb or lesser or something for not enjoying it yourself, but the appeal is pretty easy to see and understand. Characters can be developed both through your own thoughts in your head and through interacting with others. Storylines can progress and involve multiple different "contributors". You can play off-the-cuff and think on your feet or you can be involved in more scripted material. It's fundamentally quite similar to various other creative activities. Most RP that actually occurs is nothing like the weird shit you hear about on drama time. Much like how most raiding guilds are not as bad as the insane cesspool guilds on drama time.
uwu
Fourty-eigth
School at 23? Being told to go to bed by your parents at 23???? lol
Eww politically correct
you said you will be at dinner in 2 minutes but went on for another 13 :(
Bad parenting.