Top 10 Worst Bosses from the Mario RPGs
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Ranking all the pixels in the thousand year door.
ranking the enemies in dream team’s neo bowser castle
Ranking all the RPGs based on final bosses
Something to do with those bangin' soundtracks
Rank the first area/chapter in the Mario rpgs
Shroob : I'm tired of Lord Crump's boss fights, it's just repetitive
Jr. Troopa : (Chuckles) I'm in danger
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Nice
That actually raises a good question actually. Why wasn't the final Junior Troopa in the Number 10 spot instead of Magnus Von Grapple 2.0? I would personally find it MUCH more egregious considering it's the 6th encounter as opposed to Crump's fourth, and it actively baits you into thinking you're gonna fight the Koopa Bros, an enemy team that would have been awesome to rematch with higher stats and a new attack, which I think is worse than the missed potential of an earlier Grodus fight.
@@swagdoll420 He has never played PM64 that's why.
@Brian John 1. Why are you saying this in the replies instead of just making a normal comment?
2. That doesn't really matter because its still part of the paper mario series which many people consider a rpg series so its fair game.
Kinda funny how dream team has the best and worst boss fight
Yep I was thinking the same thing 🤣
That perfectly captures dream team. It has the highest highs and lowest lows. (Tho I actually liked bowser and wasn’t a big fan of antasma)
@@Dman25Yeah Bowser was actually pretty competient in that game and overshadowed Antasma big time. It's a shame because Antasma has one of my favorite designs for an antagonist in the Mario series, but he just feels like he's there in favor of Bowser.
@@zeospark9715 dream team is far from a flawless game, but what it's doing right it's doing it amazing
@@noysam3570 Yeah I mean my main problem with Dream Team in general is that it has way too many forced tutorials. Even late game you're still slammed with them.
dreamteam’s hard mode is OPTIONAL-ish
and hard mode is the reason you hate the giant bowser fight
so this probably doesn’t count
That’s fair, but the only thing about it is that every single normal boss in that game gets better with hard mode in my opinion
@@ShroobInvader hard mode made even gombas worse.hard mode makes the game literely unplayeble and its hard to imagine how unfair the bosses are.
@@LuigisLegend I’ve played a little of hard mode and it’s not that bad so far (lord knows it’s probably gonna get a lot harder though). I’m genuinely not sure if they upped the HP on enemies and bosses, just damage. Not even bane-of-my-8-year-old-self Beef Cloud really stood much of a challenge. Giant Battles are quite a bit harder though.
@@whosthisguyagain3153 they just gave more boss amor.even non bosses.
@@LuigisLegend Hard mode is a great addition and challenge, it’s really just the giant bosses that suffers from it
Another thing about Dragohoho is that when he attacks while he is taller, his projectiles are nearly impossible to dodge. I can't remember if they made it better in the remake, but in the original it's so freaking hard to dodge.
About the Fire Vellumental, you didn't mention what was flawed about it, other than the fact that it _is_ flawed. Guessing you mean the fact you basically have to tank damage and there's no way to know that from the beginning?
Yea that’s true for the fire Vellumental and that’s true for Dragahoho but I’ve mastered getting over his attacks, I think I did it when I was trying a no normal enemies run
Or that if you don't know what you are doing, or know that you need to do anything different than normal attacks to finish him off or don't get the right panels, he freaking full heals. No other boss does this. I had to fight him the equivalent of three times on my first playthough due to this bullshit.
The fire vellumental is flawed cuz if you know what you're doing you just go straight. On the first playthrough it's annoying if you don't know exactly what you should do
Actually the Bonechill fight can end in meer seconds.
Use Luigi's super jump at the right time and you'll combo his head into oblivion.
Yep it’s what I do -_-
@@DARKDREAMYBOWSEROfficial every SPM boss is easy when you get Bowser and Carrie
Yeah I've done that by accident
@@xord6286 Bowser and Carrie/Dashell is a completely broken combo (granted Dashell is post-game so I'll stick with carrie for this one)
I'm also pretty sure you can get Hot Sauce in the same level, doubling your attack. Dude's a REAL letdown.
The most painful boss ever is the Monty Mole Express Giant Battle in Inside Story (Forgot name) The only reason for this is that you can only use fire attacks to beat the boss and guess what, you need to get excellents every time without fail. This sounds like a challenge but is downright impossible if you have an average ds or 3ds as the microphone on those systems are so crappy that I got walled by this fight for weeks which lowered my enjoyment for the game which is a shame
I actually like the fight but to be fair I did have good mic inputs for my 3DS so
I just cheese the boss fight by putting me DS next to a fan
You don’t need all excellents, you’ll probably need at least 2 but if you keep using fire when the train enters the hill or whatever it will harm the actual train inside. Then make sure not to shove him into the spiky mountain because you need that to keep happening as long as possible
The 3Ds one wasn't as bad, the original DS Fawful Express is the worse of the two, where it definitely requires all excellents
@@marisolramirez9591 i beat it with definitely no more than 3 excellents
I didn't think I'd see the day where someone says they prefer the Fawful Express over Kretin. I really like the Kretin fight.
fair enough lol, well the main reason for it is I didn't have trouble with the mic
@@ShroobInvader I never had much trouble with the mic either. It's just that the fight restricts you to *only* fire, which is really unsatifying compared to punching. You really get the feel the impact of the punch with the giant fights. Not to mention the fight's on a turn limit, and it just comes to a halt when you have to destroy the hills.
@@mrspiffy8587 not to mention you can’t punch the hill if you want to win, since fire damages the train inside
Keratin is a difficult and somewhat annoying boss but Fawful Express is just 100% BS.
1: Grodus literally explains why Crump is at the end of the X-Naut Fortress. He left with Peach to go to the Palace of Shadow... or at least nearby so that you would open the Thousand Year Door so he could sneak in behind you. It was a set up. You fight Crump, beat him, get the last Crystal Star, then run into "Frankly", who tells you to open the door, then after you beat Gloomtail and complete Riddle Tower, Grodus heads to the throne room. I get being tired of Crump, but "we could've fought Grodus here" would've gone against the plot of the game and honestly could've probably invalidated any reason to go into the Palace of Shadow.
2: Why were you playing Dream Team without a stylus in the first place?
1 forgot about that good point, 2 because I lost it, and I had to bring in my Wii U Gamepad stylus to beat the fight and it didn’t work completely
Giant bowser cutscene takes a while since you can't skip or retry bosses on hard mode.
That’s something else I forgot about but it adds to the time of me restarting of course
Sticker Star would've been so much better if there wasn't specific attacks designed for each boss.
The Goober Blooper boss annoyed me with the poison
Yep I agree
I can win without take damage
Even though this boss doesn’t really count since it’s just a tougher regular enemy, Piranha Bean from Superstar Saga really deserves to be on this list.
Firstly, you face this boss alone with just luigi, meaning you don’t get any bros attacks and you’re stuck spamming thunder until the boss goes down. Secondly, this boss isn’t even hard, it’s just boring it only has like two attacks that are extremely easy to dodge for an enemy this late into the game, and speaking of why is a boss this simple so late into the game. It’s so forgetful and bland that if yoshi theater and the Prince Peasley encounter weren’t included in this section, I think it would’ve been the most forgettable beanstar mission by far.
I like Superstar Saga’s bosses, I really do. I think a-lot of them are very unique and fun to fight, but this one just feels like it put in last minute, and it’s a shame Nintendo didn’t do anything about it in the remake :(
Eh I never found it that annoying and even if I did, yeah I don’t really count it as a boss fight
@@ShroobInvader i mean yea it doesn't even have the SS boss theme
If this deserves to be here, I think the flying shy guys from dream teams also need to be here (there is even the regular bossfight music playing). But it's just random enemies you already defeated several times. So imo it's the worst bossfight because it has the bossfight music but it is just random common enemies
"I fought Crump so many times!"
*Jr Troopa laughs in rematches*
Lol
@@ShroobInvader You fight that guy 7 times in Paper Mario for the N64
Was late for the last list (good stuff btw) but boy I’m ready for this chaos
Oh ye you better be prepared 😎
"You could've fought Grodous here" then what? Peach is saved. Crump has been fought... 4 times as a rival boss and this is the final fight against him. Fitting for the final star. Remember you also fought Crump 2.0 on the ground so it would be weird to not have a final fight against him be in a mech.
Also he was fought as the tutorial boss, it only makes sense he'd be the final star get chapter boss and sets up for the next chapter.
We as the player should be weirded out that it is him... we expect Grodous but then nothing. It is a trap. We are being baited. It is brilliant in that regard. Grodous isn't an idiot who says "I'll fight Mario in person." but rather "I'll bait Mario or have Crump win. If Crump loses Mario won't know my skill set and I can stand a chance."
For fighting Grodous to work... well Tec would need to never be deleted and gets deleted because they free Mario... who chases Grodous into the door. (Without his Map and by extension Star Powers meaning Mario losses a mechanic till you clear the final dungeon.)
That’s a fair point, I think the problem with this is that it could have been so much more as a boss, which kinda makes it anti climatic, but the other thing is that there isn’t much wrong with this fight so…
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I've played my fair share of Mario games, and honestly my least favorite boss in a Mario game is Zeekeeper X. I HATE motion controls with a fiery passion, and my 2ds is an old used one, so there's some wonky moments here and there, and you're telling me I have to go through two phases of those controls to defeat this bird? It took me one month of attempts before I beat it on hard mode, and I regret that I'm starting a new hard mode playthrough. May God have mercy on my soul.
Yep makes sense completely
Am I the person ever that liked the zeekeeper fight? Granted, I haven’t played the x version but still
@@mr.sniffly5297 late reply but no I liked his fight tbh
I have never seen a video on your channel before but i KNEW Giant Bowser was going to be on this list. The fight is just that bad.
Yep it’s just not fun
I knew giant bowser was going to be number, I really loved giant bowser, say what you will but giant bowser from a story perspective is amazing, and the song size up your enemy is an amazing song. Can't wait for your next video
Thanks and yes this is true but for me all of that is just gone because of how many times I had to redo it
I loved giant luigi vs bowser BC the two finally share their true fight(after BIS)in the end but the hard mode will definitely screw me over especially the airships and lifting bowser's foot.
And that’s the biggest disappointment with this fight, because it use to be really good with the cinematic attacks and it literally being Bowser vs Luigi, but Hard mode took all of that and threw it off a cliff
@@ShroobInvader And the worst part is the glitch where Luigi is pulled toward the lava until he dies. This is one of the most infuriating glitches ever put into a Mario game, especially for Boss Rush, and do you want to know why this glitch is so infuriating for Boss Rush?
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Thanks man I appreciate it :D
Fun fact: Bonechill can be beaten in at least 30 seconds if you use Luigi's High Jump. Poor guy just gets stomped into infinity
You mean like 15 seconds right, it’s that short
The Gooper Blooper music on entry #2 scared me. Thought you were gonna do my boy dirty.
🤣, yeah in the premiere people were like wait a minute don’t tell me it’s Gooper blooper, I just like the music and you’d be listening to the same music for 3 minutes so it might as well be one of the best themes in the game
so far i've only seen the first entry, and i gotta say its good (the way u present it not the boss itself) because you explained all the points with you recapping only the points that NEED to be recapped in order to explain the other points, and your reasoning and detailing for why the boss is on the list makes ABSOLUTE SENSE. All and all, good job (*insert thumbs up emote cause my sMooL bRaIn doesn't know how to put in emotes/emojies*)
🤣 thanks lol I appreciate it
@@ShroobInvader ur welcome, also the rest of the video is great (prepare for a L O N G comment)
9th entry- just pretty good, no comment needed
8th entry- had you call the boss easy a lot of times, although, in my opinion, only 4:48 should have not had you call the boss easy since everything else makes sense (4:32 starts off the point, 4:41 prepares viewer on what else the boss is other than easy, 4:48 did connected into why the boss is easy, but it could've been said somewhere else, also, at 4:54 you then call it simple I think that's a nice mix up and each time you use the word simple, it is a recap, but for some reason, it DOESN'T feel like you're just blatantly copying yourself)
7th entry- FAVORITE ENTRY, very quick, but had GREAT content from you (also the reason for the music being used is F U N N Y A F)
6th entry- good entry, but you could've explained WHY its bad in design tho (still pretty good ngl)
5th entry- good entry, the best placement for the "no bowsers inside story giant bosses are on the list" and is quick with said placement, and the way you just connected every point into the word SLOW was big brain (I can't spell ginius B R U H), with 9:05 to 9:30 being great example and summary of this (also I found the explanation of why optional bosses aren't included just in the middle, like, LITTERALY 50/50)
4th entry- just pretty good, no comment needed
3rd entry- just pretty good, no comment needed
2nd entry- ironically, very long, which is why I feel like it stands out in a good way (also I feel like the entry was so long is because you were legit ANGRY at the boss and just wanted to straight up VENT about it, and since you explained the 1st entry in other videos a lot, that would explain why the 1st entry isn't as long as the 2nd, despite it being worse in your opinion than the 2nd entry)
1st entry- just pretty good, was great at explaining the reasoning to first time viewers, and probs wouldn't annoy long time fans of your channel
Overall, this was a great video and was much better then the first bosses video that I watched and commented on, like, entries in this video, with the worst entry being number 8 (the entry has only ONE thing that I find a little discomforting and the rest is pretty good) and the best entry being number 7 (the entry had a good joke, didn't overstay its welcome, and, as usual in this video (and I presume future videos) had great explanations) Seriously tho, this was a great video and I'm so glad that you're able to make great commentary/explanations with your videos (damn that's like, the 3rd-4th time I've said that, welp, that's some irony for ya)
Zeekeeper, either version, has the terrible tilting controls on the 3DS. I also respect you for not just having every inclusion be from the Sticker Star trilogy, since it’s rather tough to find a boss that is mechanically sound, since they all have to be fought under terrible battle systems.
Yep it is a bit unfortunate to not have a great boss in that game, but yeah Zeekeeper is also bad, but as you can tell I hate Giant Bowser much more
If you hate giant bowser then jist play in normal mode.Everybody knows dream team is super hard
The problem with this is that every other thing in Dream Team suffers if I play in normal mode which in that case makes Giant Bowser in my head worse
Oh...
hard mode is optional-ish
so this’s that
I’m genuinely surprised not to see Shrowser on the list. Though, I guess you don’t really count this as a traditional boss.
Also, I could maybe argue Mimi from Chapter 6 can be a worse cause. First of all, you can use Bowser and defeat her when she barely left the ground. Second, the fight is mildly annoying for me. She moves fast, the Rubees block attacks, she flips, and she flies. Her attacks shouldn’t be hard (Peach is literally invincible when ducking so all attacks can be in theory blocked anyways). Since you don’t have Luigi yet, the only thing to do is either wait until Mimi reaches low enough for something like a Bowser attack, use Thoreau, or use one of those items that are quite obscure in this game. While far from impossible, imagine trying to aim something at a flying protected fast-moving target, and you get Mimi, worse if she is in the 3rd dimension instead. At least Bonechill looks to be a tolerable battle (I’d confess, I did cheese Bonechill, but not Mimi).
Talking more about Mimi’s cheese, she got it worse. Bonechill’s cheese arguably is simply due to bad level design, as the ceiling is too low/high for Bonechill so that Luigi can basically repeatedly jump on Bonechill’s head ‘till defeat. Chapter 6 Mimi is effectively the *PRIME* example of Super Paper Mario’s biggest flaw, which is that your characters are so OP, you can defeat near absolutely anything instantly with barely even any grinding (if that is even required in the first place).
But opinion’s opinions. I think for me, Mimi could perhaps be in a near-tie with Bonechill only edging slightly worse because she is the epitome of Super Paper Mario’s biggest flaw, and also she’s mildly annoying.
Putting my potential edit to my reply because why not? I guess Bonechill does emulate a little bit of the bad game design with the pitiful damage. Mimi has an attack of 2!… And she’s in Chapter 6! She has half the attack of Bonechill, and she’s still somewhat late-game.
For comparison, Mr. L (both forms in Chapter 4) has a higher attack, with Brobot doubling the attack compared to Mimi. There’s a *ton* of common enemies with just as strong if not stronger attack stats than Mimi. With enemies as early as Crerbils and Boomboxers with the same attack stat, and enemies like Magikoopas and Floro Sapiens with higher attack stats.
More comparisons? The chapter 3 bosses (except Francis, unless you’re counting the Meowbombs he summon), rather early-game all have the same attack stat as Chapter 6 Mimi.
For Bonechill I’d say, any comparisons to him that are disappointing are either those somewhat rare enemies like Muths and Amazee Dayzees, with both of them admittedly being like piñata enemies more than anything, or other late-game bosses, with the earliest one with a tied attack is Brobot, and the earliest boss surpassing that is as late as Brobot L Type (the chapter before Bonechill’s chapter). Yes, Bonechill’s power is pitiful in this game, especially compared to other Chapter 7 bosses and enemies, with Bowser being doubly powerful compared to Bonechill, and common enemies like Dull Bones and Ruff Puffs being as powerful as him.
Nice explanation and also I honestly just forgot about shrowser ngl
Bro, don’t be silly. There is no such thing as Shrowser, Partners in Time ended with your epic battle against Princess Shroob and there was no terribly forced Bowser battle at the end that could be taken out of the story entirely and nothing would change. I mean, why would *anyone* include a battle like this, right?
3:18 that traumatized me you not using x and y to hit James instead of missing them all!
I actually really liked the Bowser fight in Sticker Star. It was the first game I ever beat and it's actually kind of difficult (I beat him on like 3 HP). Also I had the official game guide so I knew all the Things that I needed to have.
Yeah that catch at the end makes sense why you don’t hate the fight then
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Bonechill is very cool, but then you superjump into his head twice and he dies.
One of the biggest disappointments in Super Paper Mario
Good stuff.
Would definitely rather watch this video than do a gauntlet with all these bosses.
🤣
I personally don’t count Super Paper Mario as an RPG, but if I did, a lot of the bosses from that game would be in my top twenty. Most of them are just too short and easy, even without cheese.
Yeah that makes sense
Bowser moment
There’s level up systems. There’s items. There’s damage outputs. There’s quests. There’s npc’s. It’s an rpg AND a platformer. It’s a hybrid.
I still think it is somewhat
Aleast it's still a fun game unlike sticker star
I don't know I think most of the bosses are actually fun if you don't use Bowser. Bowser is like a cheating mode
Zeejeper better be on this list or im gonna be sad.
It might be 😳
Are you sad now
I definitely agree about the hard mode with giant bowser. I didn't find the battle to much of a hassle until I came across the beyblade and diving star sequence. Most of my runs were ended there or I was stuck in a loop of getting bowser dizzy and trying again. After atleast 2 to 3 hours of trying I finally beat him.
its so stupid and its why its number 1
Glad to see I'm not the only one who hates Kamek in Partners in Time. Also, the boss was pretty hard for me. So hard, that I actually rage quit. But I did beat him.
Oh I hate it because it’s extremely easy lol
@@ShroobInvader The spike balls was the attack that angered me the most.
My top ten worst Mario RPG's bosses (in no particular order)
Superstar saga: Piranha Bean
Partners in time: L33t Hamm3rbroz
Bowser's inside story: The Fawful Express
Dream team: Pi'illodium X
Paper jam: all Kooplings fights
Paper Mario: Koopa Bros
Thousand Year Door: Gus
Super Paper Mario: Mimi 2nd time
Sticker star: all Kamek fights
Color splash: haven't played yet
Orgami King: haven't played yet
Good list :D
My least favorite fight was the one with Bowser in the toad town for inside story, not only was I running not the best builds since I was picking it up from my kid self, but for whatever reason I could not time that jump above the massive fire blast. It took me so many attempts to beat and nearly stopped me from continuing the game again.
That’s fair, it is the last one is it is kind of difficult, at least it has a unique concept for me personally with the black holes but it is not easy
Yeah, I had trouble with that boss fight when I was young too but the real boss for my young self was that Giga carrot.
@@danastarr1819 bruh everyone sucks at the carrot it isn’t that bad
@@mr.sniffly5297 Right, I didn't get how it worked until I was older but once I was able to memorize where the orbs were, it was the easiest minigame. I wish they used it more!
@@danastarr1819 my trick is to fully extend my arms so I can see both screens more easily
I love how my 3DS touch screen started messing up right when I got to Giant Bowser. My taps just started registering in the wrong place and it made the fight almost impossible because there were some spots on the screen I was unable to touch such as the shy guys in the "TAP TO SHAKE 'EM OFF" attack. Literally had to change my settings to left-hand mode to beat him.
This was back in 2013 and the touch screen is still broken to this day.
O
MY
GOD
I cannot imagine playing that fight with a broken touch screen jesus
The sad thing about bonechill is that fighting him as Luigi kills him twice as fast as you already were.
Yep and that’s how I did it on my first play through
I would be in the live chat if it didnt kick me lol
It kicked me as well 🤣
New here, Mario RPG’s are my jam and glad theres some new content being made about it since they they’ve gone dormant
Yep they have and hope you stick around :D
I would have put Shrowser as the worst boss in Partners in time because there's no real reason for that boss to exist in the first place except for the typical bowser as the last boss of the game. But I understand why you went with Kamek
…I totally forgot about shrowser, but hey I guess that’s not a bad thing if I am forgetting a bad boss, it would be right under Bonechill if I thought of Shrowser
@@ShroobInvader sorry for reminding you of that horrible boss xD I've played Partners in Time to many times to forget him lol
Same here and I still forget him 🤣
@@ShroobInvader 🤣
He’s my worst in pit
Really cool video Shroob
Thanks 🙏
Wow. You are one of the rarest people I know that actually love the Fawful Express.
The thing about it is that I have mastered the fire attack, which is a big thing that people don’t like about it
@@ShroobInvader You're just saying it because like me, our DS mic were working perfectly. I hate this boss because it's unfair for those who don't have a mic that work properly.
Yeah that’s fair
don’t hate something because it’s new, just hate it because it’s paper jam
Lol
Bonechill needs to be on this list.
It may or may not be
It probably is it's the shortest boss out the entire game
#4
@@multifandomfangirl9664 Mimi chapter six can be killed in less than 5 freaking seconds if you are high enough leveled and playing as Bowser
cool my idea was made into a video on your discord (even if other people thought of it before me lol)
Yep here it is :D
epic
What would your list be just curious
Him: These are the top 10 worst fights
Me: B-but most of those are my favorite fights
Lol
Well would ya look at that who woulda thought what the number one spot was xD solid list though man, I’m actually surprised by Fire Vellumental being on here, I thought he was rather easy and bested him relatively fast on the first try. If I had to pick a representative from Origami King it’d probably go to Sumo Bros, compared to every other boss including Handaconda it felt like such a weak fight
Yes that fight was really close as well but I mean that fight was just really stupid imo so I put it on there and of course number 1 was number 1
14:32 "the music gets really good"
Aramaru 1837 is typing...
LOL
I personally find mamoshka to be my least favourite boss in the entire series of rpgs. For a early game boss it inflicted dizzy on way to many attacks, the giant rock attack feels janky and can inflict dizzy on both bros in the same hit. The snowball attack comes way to fast and the marathon attack also feels wack to avoid
That’s very fair, for me personally that’s why I love the fight tho because it’s so difficult
The main problem I have with Mamoshka is the permanently missable gloves he drops. Like, why this boss of all things? There’s no indication whatsoever that he would drop an item like this, at a 50% chance no less, and that it’s the only way to obtain said item. It’s just so random. If you’re gonna have an exclusive item drop like this, at least have it make sense in terms of the boss you receive it from.
@@rainpooper7088 what are the gloves and what do they do
I don't think I ever play the SPM fight legitimately, I just go 3d and jump on him
LOL, nice
Interesting list. I'd say I agree with most of it. I'll go ahead and give some of my thoughts about the ones I feel differently about:
I personally liked Magnus 2.0 quite a bit, but it seemed you liked it too, so maybe our opinions don't actually vary that much in this case. If I was to pick my least favorite TTYD boss, it would probably be the first Magnus, since I feel it is a bit overly simplistic, even though it's still a decent fight.
The Kretin fight in Bowser's inside story is an interesting inclusion. I never had really considered the fact that it is slow, but thinking about it, yeah it is. However, a fight being slow isn't something I really mind as long as I'm engaged with it the whole time. For example, Jump Helmet may be a slow move, but it does require a good amount of focus to execute well, which helps distract from how long it takes. Also, I happen to like the concept of the fight in general. Having to target the orbs with specific bros and keeping track of the real one once they break up is certainly more interesting than simply spamming your strongest moves until you win.
I feel quite a bit differently about paper craft King Boo. It seems I don't dislike paper craft battles as much as you do. I do prefer giant battles, but I think paper craft battles are still fairly enjoyable. I will agree that the toad meter is annoying, but other than that I don't personally mind them. As for paper craft King Boo specifically, I can see why the boos might be annoying to some, but I never personally had too much trouble with them. I have accidentally dashed into the lava occasionally, but if you make sure to lock onto the boos before dashing, you don't have to worry about that, as you'll be sure to grab them with Yoshi's tounge that way. I guess this could potentially be highlighting a difference in our playstyles. If you are patient enough, it's probably not a problem, but otherwise it could be very annoying.
The Giant Bowser fight being at the top of the list seemed a bit strange to me at first, considering that you only disliked it on hard mode, but it does sound like you had a pretty bad time with it. I'll admit, it was kind of annoying on hard mode, mainly because you no longer have the option to restart a battle. Instead you have to go back to your last save point. I never really understood why Dream Team's hard mode does that. It doesn't make it harder, it just wastes your time. Anyway, I was surprised to hear that it took you around 20 tries. When I first played hard mode, it took me a few tries, but nowhere near 20. I guess that's another reason I was surprised to see it at the top spot. I never had anywhere near the same amount of trouble that you did, so I wouldn't really understand the feeling.
Overall, this was a well made list, and you did do a pretty good job explaining your picks.
Very very underrated 💞 looks like a fun person to watch
Thanks :D
@@ShroobInvader no problem ^°^
Hey Shroob, when’s the next tier list stream? I really enjoyed that thing.
I’m not sure to be honest
I see...
Least fav
PM64: Tutankoopa/Goomba king
PMTTYD: Smorgs and Doopliss without partners
SPM: Brobot L Type or 2nd Mimi (aleast the music is pretty good)
I would say Bonechill but aleast that has challenge
SS: Final Bowser , sparkle goomba , pokey boss
CS: Iggy
TOK: Color Pencil or Tapes
All these makes sense
@@ShroobInvader as for m&l games
M&L super star saga: tolstar or that soda boss
M&L pit : the "final boss after the final boss" Bowser
M&L Bowser inside story: wigger
M&l dream team: Anatsama 1st one & maybe zeekeeper
M&l paper jam: most paper craft bosses
You have the tape on your worst even if it's my 4th favourite boss in the Mario Rpgs
@@marelledalziel9488 that's because I was bad on the first try :(
bonechill does not offer challenge lmao maybe ive just played way too much spm but it’s easy as all hell, if anything brobot l type and 2nd mimi are harder imo
Bonechill can be taken out in 5 seconds. If you've seen Vinesauce fight Bonechill you will both laugh and cry about how easy it is.
Yep it’s really sad 🤣
I mean obviously it’s a bit more intricate if you don’t use Luigi
And do you want to know what the worst part of the Giant Bowser fight is? If you have an earlier copy or version of the game and you are on the "Repel the Shell" section, you will be magnetized toward the lava due to a glitch.
oh then your very screwed, I think I could possibly have that version cause I got the game late 2012? or late 2013 idk, Im just gonna assume I don't have it because I don't hate that part but my god that would be annoying
@@ShroobInvader Dream Team came out in Summer 2013, and I don't have the game, but any copy that came out in Summer 2013 has that problem.
@@ShroobInvader Oh, and Meta527ii has been hit with this glitch.
@@ShroobInvader This is one of the most infuriating glitches ever put into a Mario game, and it's especially infuriating for Boss Rush, because if you lose to him, you not only have to go through the first phase of this fight, but you have to go through all four of the lengthy giant battles again in order to get another shot.
Oh I see, this is your new most popular now lol, I am surprised now but congratulations to you
Thanks lol
If I made this list, I would put Papercraft Kamek and Kamek's third battle from Sticker Star on here. Much like Meta527ii, I have a bone to pick with Kamek.
First, Papercraft Kamek. His moves are huge and difficult to avoid, and while his barriers are active, you have to throw Luigi, but he will keep moving out of the way, making this more frustrating, especially when he teleports. You also have to waste your time to pick Luigi back up, and he can increase is forcefield to an unbearable range, making doding an absolute pain.
Next, Kamek from Sticker Star. The first fight isn't so bad, but the other two fights require a magical amount of patience to keep your sanity, because as soon as the battle begins, he will turn all of your stickers into sandals, which don't really deal that much damage to begin with. They do return to normal after the battle, but because whatever sticker you use disappears, you will end up wasting whatever item you could have used for later without knowing what it was before using it. The third fight is especially bad because you need three slots to hit all of the Kameks before even one levitates, because if that happens, you will end up wasting stickers. Why doesn't Mario just throw the sandal? It would save him all of this trouble.
"Fire vellumenttal sucks"
Are you going to tell us why
"No"
You know, I tried to play DT on hard mode since I love that game, but I never finished it since the L button on my 3ds broke and I hate playing with messed up controllers. But I had fun (even though I didn't get far). I'm gonna refresh my memory on these bosses for my least favorite.
Ok yeah that’s fair, that’ll get in your way of playing any game
Honestly, I love the Giant Bowser fight, but hard mode, oh hard mode.
The Kamek battles in Sticker Star can be annoying if you fail to get a good battle spin, the flip flops function basically like an Eek-hammer.
I am calling it now, Giant bowser is number 1
It might be 😳
@@ShroobInvader yep
@@ShroobInvader I love giant bowser tbh, you gotta admit, the music size up your enemy is amazing and giant bowser from a story perspective is also amazing
@@naaylealikhan8129 I'm hunting you down for you even CONSIDERING that the fight w him is good
I will be mad if tape is not here
📼, why is there no tape emoji bruh
@@ShroobInvader opps 📼
TAPE SUCKS. HE IS UNREASONABLY HARD AND RNG-DEPENDANT.
I had to fight mega bowser 4 times in normal mode because of the diving star because im Bad at reaction based moments when im under stress and i honestly failed it so often that i had to skip the section i did it once before so i didnt feel bad for skipping it
I'll say it now. I had no problems with Giant Bowser on normal, and I played with my finger.
On normal yep same makes sense
Personally, I had FAR more trouble on Zeekeeper Hard Mode than Giant Bowser Hard Mode. By the time I got to Giant Bowser, I'd already died a lot on the others, so I kinda got down the general gist of a giant battle, and I feel Bowser is far easier to memorise a pattern for. The difficulty came mainly from having to react fast or you'd take huge damage.
Zeekeeper? OH HECK NO! You gotta dodge several attacks perfectly IN A ROW to even have a CHANCE of hitting the stupid bird once. And the Zeekeeper's attacks are INSANELY tricky to get down at times. And the Gyro dodging section can just go screw itself.
Yep, Zeekeeper was horrible I completely agree, I had a worse time on Giant Bowser but man Zeekeeper does suck a lot as well
My algorithm has favoured you sir.
And thank the lord for that 🙏
Honestly, I clicked this video specifically because I was hoping to see Giant Bowser get trashed on. The motion controls literally freeze up half the time for me, and the second phase requires swiping the stylus so quickly that it feels as if it could damage the screen.
It might not be as offensive if the regular bosses were even close to being as hard, but I was able to beat the final boss before he could even attack (On Normal Mode, because I ragequit Hard Mode from this fight).
Yep, I swear there is literally 2 sides to this fight lol, it’s people who have played hard mode and hate it, and people who have played hard mode and love it
@@ShroobInvader The people who love it probably have New 3DSes. I've heard they have much better motion controls than the original 3DS/3DS XL.
when I fought bowser in DT I felt like complete garbage because I couldn't beat him for so long
I never won against bowser x lol
Oof yeah that would make the fight annoying
Heres mine:
10. Giant Bowser (Dream Team)
9. Sewer Blooper (The Thousand-Year Door)
8. Bowser (Sticker Star)
7. Bonechill (Super Paper Mario)
6. Koopalings (Paper Jam)
5. Tolstar (Superstar Saga)
4. Giant Spiny (Color Splash)
3. Kretin (Bowser's Inside Story)
2. Swiggler (Partners in Time)
1. Scissors (Origami King)
Okay, I’m glad the Fire Vellumental made it to the list.
Because the boss was slow AF and I was an idiot and used the 1,000 fold arms RIGHT before the end. ALL HP RESTORED!!!
YEP, DID THE SAME EXACT THING
This guy's reasons for the bosses being bad: "Welp, it's just boring 'cause it's too easy." The next boss he literally take a 180 degree turn and goes like: "This Bowser fight is the worst, it's just too hard, omg! I died 20 times min." Also, it's supposed to be played with a stylus, that's how Nintendo intended the touchscreen to be used. Lmfao. That just isn't a valid argument at all! I do mostly agree tho with the rest but I just found your reasoning a bit…. off sometimes, there are definitely other aspects that would have been more of a justification but then again, it's subjective so I guess there's that!
At first I thought this was a hate comment but no it’s not, I think a lot about bosses being super easy is that if they are, there isn’t much to talk about them, a great example is Dragahoho which did make the list, I mean he has one attack, a concept of the rock that doesn’t do anything, and he can be tall or short, that’s really it, also I did play it with a stylus afterward, I had to whip out my Wii U game pad stylus cause I was just so tired of dying, and it worked eventually, thank god I did that and it’s the only time ever I had to do that with a DS or 3DS game. That’s your explanation to your comment and thanks for not making it a hate comment I appreciate it
@@ShroobInvader what happened to the old stylus?
Technically the dream team x boss for the sprinkler is mandatory, as you need the thing for the bed
Yes your right but Giant Bowser is much worse than that fight imo
For superstar saga, I would choose Hermie III. Mainly because this boss fight takes forever and he constant ups his attack speed which is just annoying
Ooh, new video!
Loving the content, as a fellow Mario fan and TH-camr.
The Fire Vellumental was annoying because I almost beat it but it decided to bring it's health back right near the end...
10:25 Woah, woah, woah! SPM?! Wait just a sec! How could you- Oh, it's Bonechill, carry on! I defeated him in 7 seconds with Luigi. Bad fight because too easy
I personally didn't mind the Papercraft Battles, but the Boos were annoying
THE BOWSER BATTLE IN STICKER STAR IS THE WORST FINAL BOSS RUN IN MARIO RPGS!
Thanks :D and yeah don’t worry there was a boss from every Mario RPG so it made sense that SPM was on the list somewhere, but it would be number 5 cause I forgot Shrowser on the list, which is a rip
@@ShroobInvader Ugh, Shrowser... Don't even XD
I defeated the Fire Vellumental with 5 HP left lol
@@thatsombrero Woah! Didn't expect to see you here, SombreroGuy! You found another Hidden Mr. L, I guess!
@@MrLProductionsOfficial nice
It’s a sign, how perfect TTYD is when even it’s worst boss fight is still a good one! In my opinion TTYD is the perfect Mario RPG
Wow....right before I heard about the live video, its already at the #1 entire. Coincident maybe?
🤔 we might never find out
Personally I would’ve placed both the Fawful express and the giant Zeekeeper fight quite high up on this list as well. But other than that, great video!
The zeekeeper fight would otherwise be a great boss if it weren’t for one attack where you have to use gyro controls that just don’t work to avoid him. And if you miss because the controls go weird then it takes off about half your Hp (This is particularly bad on hard mode). So you just have to hope he doesn’t use that attack more than twice or you’re pretty much dead.
The Fawful express is the only boss I really hated in Bowser’s Inside Story, the problem being that you have to use the flame to attack. And I’m not talking about the remake version of Fawful express because that is actually a decent fight, I mean the original one. The mic on an original ds is just not made for the way you have to use it to get an excellent with Bowser’s fire. And to kill the train in time, you better be getting an excellent almost every time. The only way I actually beat this boss as a kid was by holding my ds out of the window of my mums car so that enough air passed into the mic to get an excellent.
Yeah these are very common problems with those fights, so for the Zeekeeper, yeah, it’s bad, I don’t like it at all, but I honestly just thought Giant Bowser was worse, for Fawful Express tho, I didn’t run into that problem at all so I just got to enjoy the fight :D
If you played paper Mario 64, I swear lakilester/spike would be here.
Oh boy lol
Huff N Puff for me
I’d put jr. troopa, you fight him 6 times and it’s really repetitive
@@Plantloser jr troopa and lakilester are both bad
@@type_0331 true
I liked the Giant Bowser fight but it took me a while to figure out how to block his healing.
Lol fair
My choices for the games you didn't play
Paper Mario: Jr. Troopa (Same reason as your #10)
Mario RPG: Axem Rangers (they're the coolest seeming bosses in this game, but they're gone after one battle. Huge missed potential)
Rabbids: Mecha Jr. (This battle is a game of run away and shoot until you win. If you get cocky, he can easily take you out and unlike most bosses, you have to re-fight the battles that lead up to him before getting another chance)
Good picks from the descriptions of them
I'm glad you think so. I loved your list too. I agreed with just about all of them
bone chill is one of the best bosses in super paper mario. it has super great music, an awesome back story, and multiple ways to defeat it. when I first saw it I loved it. it's also a perfect end to chapter 7 as it focuses on mythology so having the boss be essentially satan being fought in paper Mario heaven is perfect.
Those points are true, For me personally I think the music is ok, it does have a good backstory (even tho I don’t really care) and it does have multiple ways to defeat it, the problem with the fight is that those multiple ways are all super easy to defeat him with, now to fix this fight you should make it have more ice on screen to have more action in the fight itself
@@ShroobInvader yeah your right. I remember always beating it first try, the fights still fun though but u do have a good point
You’ve never had microphone trouble on the Fawfuk Express fight, have you? Try it on a 3ds, which has a worse mic than a regular DS. Then see if it’s worse than Kretin. I didn’t have much trouble with him and didn’t mind the fight. But the Fawfuk Express? My mic keeps me from beating the fight reliably.
I did it on 3DS, didn’t have trouble, but if you mic is messed up then yeah Then you should have it on the list
I like the Giant Bowser fight not because of the fight but because of the feels. However it is really hard especially the superstar throw
That’s fair, obviously I won’t feel that anymore after fighting the fight 20 times but I do get where your coming from for that
If only Bowser in Sticker Star didn't require thing stickers. 😑
Yep I agree 😔
They are optional, but useful for that one. They aren't like, necessary. Use normal stickers if you want.
The king bob omb fight from paper jam was very frustrating.
I was also infuriated at the lemmy, Morton, and iggy fight before the final boss. You take out the first two koopas, and then Morton launches a chain chomp that killed me instantly without telling me what to do. Infuriated, I game overed 3 times in a row, not knowing how to avoid it. Apparently in the double bowser jr fight, you're supposed to get a tutorial on how to avoid trampoline attacks. I think I killed them too fast and didn't get the tutorial. Because I didn't it, I kept dying over and over and getting infuriated.
Yeah that’s fair, for me personally I just didn’t care at all about them which is why they weren’t even on the list
King Bob-Omb is great in teaching you how to not use long special attacks and practice countering his attack that lets you bump up the timer
that's why in origami king the bosses will tell you when there about to do a super attack
You forgot to mention something with the Hard Mode of DT: restarting the giant fight takes FOREVER! Especially the last one.
@Shroob Invader In one of your vids you talked about going into the time hole that goes to peach’s castle in the past early but you couldn’t find any vids of it. I made one about it!
Also, for some reason scutlet is one of my favorite bosses in bowsers inside story and I don’t know why.
Hello zaden
@@LilyTheDuck how are you here
@@zaden-games8953 i play the mario luigi games too
@@LilyTheDuck ok
This guy needs to play the first two Mario RPG's immediately.
Heck yeah I do, I am playing through Super Mario RPG sometimes on stream, and I do have Mario and Rabbids, so all that is left is the original Paper Mario
Hard mode giant bosses just sound like a chore. The bosses themselves are long enough on their own, any longer would just overstay their welcome. Giant Bowser X alone took me multiple tries both normally and in the gauntlet.
Hard mode aside, zeekeeper sucks. I'll put aside the motion controls for a moment and mention that you can't actually have a normal battle with him. You have to chase him for a while dodging attacks before catching up to him, which then requires you to scratch the ever loving crap out of your screen, multiple times. Only then can you actually deal proper damage. All this sounds cool but the way it's done makes it more annoying than fun, especially if you fail to catch the bird.
And on those motion controls, atleast with bowser, the sections were awesome and didn't overstay their welcome too much, so long as you did it in the first few tries. While cool, chasing the bird is not as awesome and takes way too long for a single segment alone.
And you have to do all this twice, and that's assuming you don't flub up at specific sections.
Oh yeah don’t worry, Zeekeeper still sucks to me, it’s just not as hateful as the Giant Bowser fight
The bis giant bosses were way easier ( unless you count the original fawful express )
Great video as always! I had a feeling the top two would be those lol 😂 Keep it up and cannot wait for next video as always. I left a like lol 😂 Also some of the bosses we agree on especially top 2.
My list:
12: Larry (CS)
11: Belome (1) (SMRPG)
10: Fire Vellumental (TOK)
9: Lava Piranha (PM64)
8: Hooktail (TTYD)
7: Bonechill (SPM)
6: Dragohoho (SS)
5: Petey Piranha (PJ)
4: Kretin (BIS)
3: Shrowser (PIT)
2: Giant Bowser (DT)
1: Bowser (PM SS)
Good list and of course those were top 2 lol
@@ShroobInvader thanks 😊
Nice list, and I also think that most of those bosses suck.
@@An_Account1 sweet well 12 didn’t suck I just thought it was a but more boring compared to the rest In colour splash which is why it is that low
@@carlyskolnik296 Larry was one of the bosses on the list that I liked. And if it's at the top of a list like this, it just means it's the weak link of the game. And it's weird seeing CS at number 12. I think the bosses in the game are fine, but a lot of people hate them.
Ya got a new sub
Thank you my friend 🙏
10. Yeah, he can be kinda annoying
9. I can't remember my opinion on it
8. Forgettable
7. Pretty funny that you're using that song, and I'm planning on using it in my next countdown, my worst episodes of good cartoons list. Anyways, don't remember it either
6. You just said the giant podobo was the last mediocre boss, and now you say this one is? Make up your mind! Anyways, I still hate the tape boss more
5. That was random to just bring up giant bosses. Anyways, I think this boss is kinda cool, especially compared to the Memory Bros. and Bowser X. And jumping is not a Bros. attack.
4. I literally beat it in 4 moves with Luigi's superjump
3. I agree that Papercraft battles are terrible
2. You literally just said the top 2 have no redeeming factors! Now you're saying you like the final phase? And getting rid of all your Thing cards, that sounds more like your fault. Now, if you had wasted them on the Kamek fight, then that's be one thing, but no, you just said you decided to get rid of them.
1. Here's a boss that I can actually agree on!
Overall, this list kinda disappointed me. I'm considering doing a commentary on it.
Oh hey I’ve watched your videos before :D, yeahI Dan see all your points here, I will say that most of It is pretty self explanatory but for the number 5 spot, I brought up Giant Battles because I normally hate Giant Battles in Mario and Luigi Games (this goes for Papercraft Battles as well) so one not being on the list is an accomplishment, and I mean the jump helmet, for it not jumping itself lol, which speaking of jumping, the jumping in that game is weirdly fast
the only reason I don't like the giant bowser fight is because every 3ds I've ever had has a broken gyroscope so I literally couldn't beat it, but other than that it's a really fun fight, even on hard mode
Oof yeah that’ll be painful to deal with a broken one
So what you're saying is that Giant Bowser is the worst fight in the series, but not because it's a bad fight, but rather because Hard Mode made him hard.
Flawless logic.
No, because I’m fine with hard fights, it’s why I like Antasma X, but the reason I really hate this fight is because The fight was hard because the controls are bad for Giant battles, and that’s what got me infuriated with this fight
Fun fact Aran Ryan was the only punch out boxer to not have a spirit in smash ultimate
o-o
@@ShroobInvader and also forgot to mention disco kid didn’t get a spirit either