Why are fans going so crazy over Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door?
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- 20 years later Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door has made its return, and it’s made fans go crazy! Why?
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Correction
Paper Mario Color Splash Released in 2016 not 2013. I don’t know why I said 2013.
You were just three years off, but that’s quite alright. LOL
Nintendo’s remakes are surely getting even better every time they’re announced!
If we ever get another paper mario game i hope it still sticks itself in the same universe of the first 3 games again rather than ignoring like it didnt even happening, having all those recurring characters in the new game would be amazing🙏
I hope this come true.
Dont let one single guy say "i love Paper" and "no story" thats the whole reason why paper mario was really doomed to by 1 review
Or by 1 person who played super
@@TVObe um...noted?
I think because the 3ds demo is similar to gamecube and n64 slapped whit only useless sticker combat
I was the fan that loved Super Paper Mario even before Sticker Star happened, and would always defend it, so to me, it was not a bump in the road at all, and I consider it the final game in a trilogy, a trilogy that finally came back to the spotlight with this amazing remake of TTYD. This remake actually strengthens the continuity with both PM64 and SPM, by including the portrait of Mario's 64 partners that was seen in SPM's intro, further proving that pre-Sticker Star Paper Mario is all canon to one another.
I'm with you on this one. While Super Paper Mario might not be an RPG it kept that incredible story telling that the kept it's gameplay from becoming dull. Every twist in the story kept me wanting to see more and more.
SPM has fully come around in hindsight for most of the fans, it seems like. I don't think the opinion that SPM was actually good is a hot take these days.
Which is good! It was, and still is, a great game!
Yeah i think the same
@@morphstarchangeling8024 And really, Super Paper Mario is an RPG, just an Action RPG instead of a turned based one like the previous 2 Paper Marios. It was really just crossing Paper Mario as an RPG with the platforming roots of Super Mario franchise itself. It was basically a match made in heaven. Even it's story and characters were pretty damned good even if TTYD still edged it out and even then not by much.
Really, the only thing I didn't like about it was how pointless Bowser, Peach, and Luigi tended to be most of the time thanks to Mario's flip ability being useful and all but mandatory for the vast majority of puzzles in the game, so I found myself almost always using Mario. Plus how situational the Pixels were, some of which were hardly even useful past the room you got them in! Of course, the series has always had the issue where only one partner was actually useful while the others were benched except in a few very rare situations where they were mandatory so I let that pass.
Super Paper Mario is not an RPG, it's a platformer in an RPG skin...
As a 36 year old major RPG/64/TTYD fanboy….I’m so glad younger people are now getting the chance to finally play it. TTYD is in my top 3 games ever. I’m also glad you defended Origami King. It is actually a very solid game. It’s still not classic Paper Mario but it’s absolutely LEAGUES better than SS/CS, it had a good story, great writing, good twists, great locations…I feel OK really does get a lot of undeserved hate and that’s a shame, as it’s a very solid title.
I hope now that RPG/TTYD are getting remasters (still can’t believe they’re both getting them), that some of the animosity (that I myself am guilty of engaging in) regarding the Tanabe trilogy (particularly OK) is relaxed a bit and not as toxic.
It truly does mean so much to us older fans that RPG/TTYD are getting this treatment as the main cause of contention was that a lot of us felt our beloved series was getting replaced and very stale. This is such a step in the right direction as so many of us never expected it to happen (let alone at the same time RPG is getting one also). And to appear at the end of the direct? That shows to me that Nintendo finally did listen as they knew the reactions people would have would be immense.
I think a major part of the issue is that the modern Paper Mario games feel like they take place within the same continuity, in the same way the original three do. It's difficult for me to buy that the Mario that defeats Hooktail is the same Mario that fights Colored Pencils, the Missile Maestro. It's difficult for me to buy that the world where everyone seems hyper-cognizant that they are made of paper is the same one where the only powers that let you manipulate your body like paper are curses possessed by the lost souls of ancient heroes that sealed away an evil demon 1000 years ago.
I think a nontrivial amount of the backlash comes from the idea that the series had a silent retcon that started with Sticker Star, and it really swept the rug out from under us. We had no indication that SPM would be the last book in that series after TTYD showed how much potential there was for the concept of fleshing out the Mario universe. People's imaginations ran wild with ideas for creatures and characters for Mario partners alone. What about a Hammer Bro that wants to be a pastry chef? An outcast Blooper that's always picked last for dodgeball? A Dry Bones dealing with existential questions about life after death? It seemed like they had only scratched the surface before throwing it all away.
Each new entry in the series seemed to be further confirmation that the old book was closed and they were writing a new one now. As someone that puts TTYD comfortably in my top 5 games of all time, I had about the same reaction for both Color Splash and Origami King when they were announced, since they seemed clear from the trailers alone that they took place in the same continuity as Sticker Star. At the very least, they didn't take place in the continuity I was already invested in, which essentially made them an entirely new franchise in my eyes.
I didn't dislike Sticker Star, and I didn't anticipate CS or OK would be bad games. Sticker Star was unique in that it was the only game in the series I only played once, after a history of 100%ing the previous games at least 3 times each. I couldn't help but conclude that CS and OK would produce the same result, since they didn't have any of the complexities or engagements that made the previous games so replayable.
@@MagerBlutooth I feel like the first three games could easily have been adventures that the "real" mario went through offscreen, and we're just watching a retelling of them via a story book, which is also why any "paper" effects we see are either visual gags that don't affect the plot, or are explicitly supernatural and likely didn't "really" look like that.
Here, hear! As a fellow 36-year-old fan of RPG/64/TTYD, I am beyond surprised that we're getting TWO of absolute classic in their remaster/remake glory within maybe half of year! If we want Nintendo to make brand new games in those vein, we have to answer with our wallets by purchasing these games. Since Nintendo saw Metroid Dread as a huge success after the series went through a very long hiatus and still sold over 3 million units, that might be the benchmark for each of the Mario RPGs.
I have never played Super Paper Mario to completion and did enjoyed Origami King, though the originals are the peak in the genre for very good reasons. Hopefully we'll be rewarded in the end with brand new games.
Its crazy how it’s been 20 years since the original TTYD was released. Man, it feels like yesterday…. Thank you Nintendo for these amazing memories and for letting me and many others enjoy this beautiful game one more time.
If u played this already to death as a kid, don't buy this. You wont get satisfied. This is for the newer gens.
The remake looks GOOD and faithful@@user-lv8lt8gu4g
@@user-lv8lt8gu4g there’s no way I’m missing my chance here mate.
@@user-lv8lt8gu4g as an old gen buyer... still buying it
Here's the thing. We have to *show* Nintendo that this is the type of Paper Mario game we want. This game *HAS* to succeed! Mind you, from the general reaction being that of overwhelming joy, I have a feeling this game is going to sell like hotcakes. I certainly hope so.
I still don't think that the TTYD remake selling well is going to give us better Paper Mario games in the future, for all we know the next game is going to be like Sticker Star, Color Splash, and The Origami King. It all just depends on luck in my opinion.
Yeah you're right we have to support it, already got my money waiting
Didn't ttyd already succeed?
Checking daily to see the pre order option pop up!
@@asra-5180 it's not that it sold poorly, but the gamecube didn't exactly have a large installbase
You didn't mention any of the biggest reasons that people dislike modern Paper Mario games, most of which concern the game mechanics. The most egregious of these is a lack of experience points or any other incentive to actually fight enemies when you can just walk around them.
I left some of the major issues out because I didn’t want the video to become a comparison and debate between the games. I wanted it to be a summary of the history of paper Mario games and explain why some people, including myself, are ecstatic about the Thousand Year Door Remake and why it’s a big deal for the series.
I’m thinking about making a more in-depth look at Paper Mario. In that video I will address some of the more common problems people have with the modern games.
I hope this made sense.
@@The_Renaissance.
I'm not going to refer you to Chuggaaconroy's videos on SS. I ENCOURAGE you to play Sticker Star in some way. Just to see how bad the gameplay is.
Im losing my f-ing mind over it. Seriously im dying waiting. This game is my favorite game ever. I literally started crying when it was announced.
One of the best games Nintendo has created.
As someone who didn’t play the original games first. You did a good job summarizing everyone’s issues
Did he? I only really heard the parts about the story and original characters. That's probably the smallest and least important aspect of this debacle.
@SuperSiege it's actually what people wanted since the first paper mario, sticker star was just an insult to peope the loved the series, The Origami King was definitely a half return to form
@jazzragon I always thought the lack of the original battle system, partners, and customization of Mario's stats is what people were most upset about in the newer Paper Mario's. Myself included.
If they had included those things in TOK, I and a lot of others probably would have played and enjoyed it.
@@SuperSiege Lack of the battle system and partners were definitely big points people brought up. However, I think the biggest is definitely lack of original characters and story. I feel like if sticker star had kept the same art style, original npcs, and had a more original story, people wouldn't have hated it as much.
@@TinyGuy97 It's definitely a mix of both. A strong world, characters and story leave you caring about the game in a way the gameplay can't. And good gameplay creates an engaging experience that only a videogame can provide. To me TOK doesn't fully deliver on either aspect, even though a lot of individual elements in the game are really strong, like the graphics, music, overworld exploration, etc.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Paper Luigi. That has always been something that TTYD fans have dreamt of! I am truly hoping that after this game sells well, Nintendo gives us a DLC (or separate tile) of Luigi's story! Having played Paper Mario TTYD since a child, this game is not only nostalgic, but has staned the test of time. I still have my GameCube version that I play on the Wii, and cannot wait to see this amazing story remastered!
Me too. I want a Paper Luigi: The Marvelous Compass too, DLC OR separate.
That would be amazing!
There's actually a fangame in the works of just that! Highly reccomend giving it a look!
@@bluetoadettethegoddess6104 Are you serious right now?
Yeah imagine a dlc of luigi's history
Honestly, I'm so broken by this series. I dont want to give myself false hope that the next new Paper Mario will be closer to original Paper Mario saga vs the modern day one.
That would be the real miracle right there. At least we can appreciate the remake for what it is
Then don't. Literally that easy.
@@riverscuomo7140It's never that easy, though
Me neither. The benefit of keeping your expectations low is that you get even more supprised when something good happens.
I'm really scared this remake is gonna get released a month after the Switch 2 but still be on the Switch 1. And then it'll sell terribly and Nintendo will blame it on the game itself.
So I'm not gonna get my hopes up for anything long-term. Just gonna be happy I get to play this remake, at least.
1:47
I am glad you didn’t say that SPM was the beginning of the end. What a lot of people don’t realize is that SPM was originally a GameCube game that got put on Wii because of its release date, thus it would have been a spin-off on the same console as TTYD. I think people would look at it a lot more fondly if it actually came out on it’s original platform because they wouldn’t think of it as the next big Paper Mario game.
Yeah, I can understand people being disappointed by SPM as "the paper mario game on the wii," as opposed to if it had either been on gamecube, or if the wii had another turn-based paper mario game in addition to Super.
That’s…an interesting way of looking at it that I hadn’t considered
5:37
The master sword analogy doesn’t really work- it wasn’t in the first 2 games, and has never really been integral to the gameplay. Having no story in paper Mario is more like having no puzzles and dungeons in a Zelda game
Anyways, great video!
That is a better way to put it, thanks.
In my opinion, their paper themed stories COULD HAVE been just as good as the original 3 (Origami King was definitelyin the middle of both), the problem was just that they made the story revolve around that idea while the world just, existed.. I really do hope TTYD remake are signs of change (even just a little) for paper mario
It's just not as interesting an idea, tho. You make everything so lame and shallow in concept instead of making new worlds and characters that feel lived in. Modern Paper Mario has literally nothing I'd want to compromise with. It's just less than what came before
@@stormcutter59 the idea is only uninteresting because it's been handled primarily by teams that seem to think the world being interesting, and the characters being fun and unique, are wastes of time. so of course the new paper themed stories suck- they're done by a team that doesn't want to bother with those concepts at all. the idea absolutely could be realized differently and create a very interesting world and story.
but trusting the current paper mario team to do that is another matter.
@@heathersmith4042 But the whole concept alone is to focus on the papers and crafts thing as some playhouse game. The previous games had enough paper aesthetic going for it, it just resembled a popup book. Old Paper Mario literally resembled the look everyone says they want now. Its the look they are going for now in the remake. We only see it now because of the modern graphics further punctuating that.
The way I see it, the first 3 games didn't feel like they were an independent paper world, but rather, a depiction of the "real" mario's world that's simply being shown through a storybook. There's no reason to believe that the mario that visits rogueport isn't the same mario that got thrown in the slammer in isle delfino, and who would later end up traveling between galaxies. The story works regardless of the artstyle, and trying to assert that the first three games actually took place in a paper world and thus don't matter sort of cheapens them.
Part of the issue with modern paper mario isn't just that it's literal paper, but moreso that it feels like each game takes place in a world that was just spawned from a snapshot of the mario series at the time, and will likely be discarded by the time of the next game.
@@emmetstanevich2121 Couldn't agree more man. As a result, the worlds and whatever "stories" that happen in them feel far less substantial and meaningful
You're almost spot on, the thing with Color Splash and Origami king is that they just suffered cause of Sticker Star, Color Splash is ok enough, fun for a while and Origami King is way better than the last 2 but suffered a lot with the battle system and story as a whole.
In TTYD and Super you actually feel that there is stakes since the world is at risk, Origami King fall in the same basket of 64 the story is basic "Bowser/Enemie kidnapps Peach and Mushroom Kingdom in danger"
64 obviously outshined OK by a lot cause there was a bit more variation on characters/partners, game tone and actual startegy that wasn't battle puzzles with almost no reward, overworld puzzles were more active and not just interct with a and hammer b, plus there was a lot to do that challenged the player like the pits/dojo.
yes, colour splash was my intro to paper Mario since i used to love watching its play throughs, and origami king was my first actual play. Both are really nice games and they still feel like they have the charm of a paper Mario game to me. I cant wait for TTYD because i’ve never seen a play through of it, so i get to experience the story for itself.
Actually, the only elements of the Origami King art-style this game has - its envorinment, and even then - they saved pretty much every old textures from the original. As for the characters - this is pure original art-style from the OG TTYD. And according to this trailer - it have even MORE New characters with that original art-style. And THIS is what perfcect the most about this remake. They finally get rid of those ugly designs of Goombas and Koopas, as for minimum. And everyone including me are all for it
im pretty sure when he said origami king artstyle he just meant like the world looks like everything is papercraft
Color splash started all this
Unfortanly it was "sticker trash star"
Yeah but i actually have no problem with it tbh, cuz thats still PAPER Mario, ya know, and they still keep almost every old textures, so yeah
@@Ornitier_007 lemme clear up this arguement then... ahem i only dispice... those irl things and more complicated puzzles in the 4th game
Me seeing the thumbnail and not watching the video, while this game was the best thing ever that made my childhood: Yes, yes it is that good and that's an understatement by a longshot
I think people forget that the Japanese tile of the Paper Mario games is/used to be Mario Story. I mean, story is right in the title, so I don’t know what Miyamoto was thinking when saying that the series doesn’t need a story.
He wanted the crew to evolve the formula than just copy TTYD. It was Tanaka that took the words as an excuse to remove the rpg elements from an rpg series. Most people don't know, but when Sticker Star was revamped into the current one, Miyamoto called that beta version boring.
He was having a senile moment, he also dislikes stories in Mario with how Koizumi had to sneak story into Mario Galaxy, and Miyamoto spiked the story from getting developed in Mario Galaxy 2.
One little nitpick: Mario Story is only the first game. TTYD's Japanese name is literally Paper Mario RPG
@@CrashCubeZeroOne And it still is Mario Story in everything other than name.
My first paper mario was sticker star and I loved it, but when I tried 64 and thousand door I can easily agree i love those way more, specially Thousand year door, I am reccomending it to everyone, The best game in the series.
Great to get the perspective of somebody who isn't wearing nostalgia goggles. Thank you for this.
You are very welcome. Thanks you for enjoying it.
One small nitpick: "saying the story doesn't matter is like saying the master sword doesn't matter in a Zelda game"
Except the Master Sword isn't even in every Zelda game. It wasn't in Majora's Mask, or Four Swords. Plus, I don't believe most people get a new Zelda game specifically for the master sword. I believe it would have been more accurate to claim that it's like saying combat and puzzle-solving don't matter in a Zelda game.
And apparently it did not matter for BotW... for some reason. Seriously, the games are so dumbed-down in that aspect I genuinely believe the reason it got most of its praise is due to how sick people was of Skyward Sword.
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While I agree that BotW's puzzles and combat are a major step down from previous titles, they *are* still present, at the very least.
That said, honestly, the real reason behind BotW's success is simply the spectacle that was surrounding it when it came out. It had been hyped up for a long while, got delayed several times, and we really didn't know much about it at all until it finally came out. People praised it because the novelty of "huge open world Zelda" proved to be enough to keep people excited for awhile.
The problem is that novelty wore off over time, and people have since come to notice the game's flaws more and more. It's why TotK was met with substantially less enthusiasm following its release where it proved that many of the same complaints people had with BotW were still very much present, while also introducing its own share of things that the majority of people disliked about it.
5:01 Those quotes were in reference to Sticker Star's development, but it was still very telling that Intelligent Systems were still clinging on to a decade old philosophy, that Miyamoto himself no longer believed in
The only reason I can think of as to why the Paper Mario series underwent the changes that it did is that someone among the higher-ups at Nintendo had some sort of vendetta against the first two games and wanted to bury them in favour of something else, and now that person has been fired or otherwise made to step down from their position of power, paving the way for the TTYD remake that Intelligent Systems have no doubt been wanting to make for yonks now, but couldn't because of that one influential a-hole standing in their way.
I'm assuming someone from Nintendo secretly despises, specifically TTYD and SPM, that they secretly hoped it would've been swept under the rug and fans would forget about it and have sticker star be a reboot of the franchise.
However, we all know that never could've happened.
With Super Mario RPG as well, you're not the only one who feels like there's been some kind of leadership change at Nintendo. None of the upcoming Mario franchise games feel like the other and that is fantastic news! Nintendo went sterile and with Wonder, Super Mario RPG, Showtime, and Thousand Year Door, it feels colorful again!
I vaguely recall hearing about an interview where the reason the gameplay shifted so dramatically was because they felt that there was nothing left to improve for the first two games. They supposedly stated a game would get a sequel if they felt there was more they could do & improve on with the gameplay style (PM64->TTYD, SS->CS->OK), but not if they felt that a gameplay style was perfected by the latest game in their set.
I can’t comment on how true this is, but I definitely do not agree with that statement if they actually said this. SPM had neat ideas, but it had a good amount of flaws I would’ve liked to see be improved upon if they actually did reiterate on its style. Well, they never went back to it, and I wouldn’t call the game play style to have been perfected by its sole game. With SS, CS, and OK, we all know how those went. While they were steadily going in the right direction with each entry, it’s clear that some of the foundations of their creative vision had problems when they constantly made normal battles meaningless.
Something The devs said during Sticker Star Development were like "this is too much like TTYD... Change it"
AS IF THAT WAS A BAD THING YOU MOTHE-
(fr, sticker star beta footage looks miles better than the final game cuz it looks more like ttyd)
Why has nobody here actually watched the video? The Renaissance already mentioned how it's Miyamoto's influence that has in large part ruined the later Paper Mario games, thanks to his strict adherence to not modifying the Mario universe and his general disregard for the importance of story.
Not sold on giving TTYD a paper aesthetic, but this shows the importance of the OG 3 to the series has not been forgotten.
5:28 people bitched about the different gameplay of Super Paper Mario (even tho it was fine and everything else it did like music, story, characters, etc it did better than its predecessors) so for some reason nintendo thought the complexity of the series was the problem so they made sticker star
I think my main thing with TOK is, you can probably keep a good chunk of what they wanted to do with the game but make it compatible with the old style.
Like, origami. They almost had it here. Have this weird race or faction of these origami creatures, but keep it purely as a design choice rather than a "Oh no paper everyone is getting turned into origami! How sadge!", just have the origami be representative of a weird, indescribable eldritch horror beyond the understanding of the normal characters. You could even have the office supplies come back, but just have them be...you know...not literal plain-ol' office supplies. Like maybe the stapler is the mouth of a serpent. Maybe the colored pencils are some projectiles launched off the back of a Metal Gear. Stuff like that. Integrate the ideas into the aesthetic of the game without warping the story around them and trivializing things with "lol you're literally fighting a stapler, stapler go brrrrrr".
Make the Scissors boss a samurai/ninja lady that uses scissor blades as her weapon of choice, and can combine the blades into a singular scissors.
I think the concept of the characters being literally made of paper would work better if they leaned more on the fact that thid *isn't* the "real" mushroom kingdom, and that these aren't the same characters that you see in the mainline games. It currently feels both like the modern paper mario games are separate from the main timeline, but are also restricted as though they *were* part of the main timeline, making the world of paper mario feel strictly "lesser" than the world of the mainline games.
I always took the “Paper” part of Paper Mario is (For the most part) simply an aesthetic design choice, not something that actually influenced the design of the game itself. It is, at its core, a Turn-Based RPG with a Paper aesthetic.
When it became a core element, it stopped being that.
Wind Waker didn’t have core gameplay elements featured around having big heads and cartoony graphics.
To this day, I cannot fathom how “The story doesn’t matter”. Why? Just cos it’s a Mario Game? TTYD has a great story with amazing characters, SPM’s story is a thing of utter beauty and portrayed phenomenally. Was the gameplay of SPM a new step? Yes. But it wasn’t *Bad* per say.
I grew up with TTYD and I cannot wait for a new generation of players to see how special this game was to me and so many others
"If you were a fan of the Thousand Year Door, and you thought that Super Paper Mario was just a bump in the road you were in for a surprise with Sticker Star"
What is funny to me about this is Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door to me is quite possibly my all time favorite video game. Consistently reaching the top of any list I could make. But, I really enjoyed Sticker Star and I really couldn't get into Super Paper Mario. Super kind of rubbed me the wrong way with the lack of Mario characters and Sticker Star felt like a fun puzzle game with beautiful 3D visuals and great theme music. I like Sticker Star.
That being said; I LOVE Thousand Year Door.
As a massive massive TTYD fan I enjoyed Sticker Star as well. I think it was a fun spinoff, I'm just aching for them to get back to the originals
5:31 Yah, the original PM64 was titled in Japan literally as Mario STORY.
theres a reason why its considered the best mario rpg game
You’ve made me curious as to what it is you think makes it the best Mario RPG. I would very much like it if you were to let me know, thank you.
@@The_Renaissance.
The gameplay.
The original characters and the writing behind them.
The original locations that feel like they could be in the Mario World while also being distinct from what you'd find in the platformers.
The music.
I'm so ready for this game. It looks like a perfect remake.
I love how the first two paper Mario’s expanded the Mario universe with its story and diverse cast of characters. It’s already been proven a game can have good story and still be fun so hopefully others at Nintendo have told miyamoto that.
While I really enjoyed this video and appreciate your perspective on this as somebody who started with Origami King, I would like to mention one thing that I don't think was made super clear in the video-- the bit where Miyamoto suggests not including a story in the game was from a Sticker Star interview, not an Origami King interview, as far as I know. I only mention this, because I personally believe things were changing behind the scenes from game to game, here. It's clear that whatever guidelines were in place that prevented them from creating Mario universe OCs were still present was of Origami King, albeit perhaps not as strict, or maybe they got better at working within their restrictions, but I don't think they were committed to "not having a story" by that point. Sticker Star has whole chapters with virtually no character dialogue, or characters at all for that matter, no plot, and Bowser doesn't even talk. Origami King definitely wasn't following in its footsteps in that regard.
You are correct. I could have made that clearer. It does appear that some of those limitations had been improved, wether or not they were completely gone or changed slightly, however, the interview I mentioned was from the Origami King. In that interview the developers mentioned some of the limitations put in place when they were working on sticker Star. You can correct me if I’m wrong with though.
@@The_Renaissance. The first interview you cite is definitely an Origami King interview-- the one where Tanabe says they "cannot modify Mario characters." I'm only really referring to the one where Miyamoto is quoted as saying "It's fine without a story, so do we really need one?" which I can only find in a 2012 Iwata Asks interview with the Sticker Star team. I tried googling around to see if the same quote was said again in the context of Origami King and was unable to find anything on it myself (aside from the mentioned 2012 interview), but maybe I'm just crazy.
@ThessaTheCat No you are correct, I have made a mistake. Thank you for letting me know. Hopefully it won’t happen again.
@@The_Renaissance. No worries, I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I apologize if it sounded like I was nitpicking a bit too much. Still a great video!
I've only played Origami King and I thought it was alright... but just WATCHING footage of Thousand Year Door was more engaging for me than actually PLAYING Origami King, and I think that speaks volumes.
That’s nice to hear :)
What baffles me most about Miyamoto saying Paper Mario games don't need story or identity is that the Japanese name for the series is literally Mario STORY.
After 20 years finally a remake, this is the best of all
The introduction of the shamans was the era of mario rpg's that defined incredibly story telling. Merlons family being introduced in the first paper mario and then getting more centric by the 3rd game introduced these really defined characters that made the world magical. Though I will say mario and luigi superstar saga is one of my favorite games of all time, I still wish it had merlon involved or atleast some shamans
I think it's fine for the different RPG series to have exclusive characters, especially since the paper mario and M&L series are made by different teams with different writers.
As a MASSIVE fan of TTYD, all I can say to the response of this video title is YES, YES, AND YES!!!
To answer your question and from seeing the reactions, Paper Mario TTYD defined a lot of gamers when it released back in the day on GameCube, the games brilliant writing and fun gameplay really captivated gamers and it's a very good time to be a Mario fan right now! It's obvious why everyones going crazy over this remaster.
Great video! A good summary of the state of things for the last 10+ years. Also you have a very good voice!
I actually prefer the old N64 and TTYD gameplay. I grew up playing those two.
I played sticker stat in that sweet spot when I was too young to know if a game was good and old enough to appreciate a game in it’s entirety. I think sticker star was one of the first games I ever completed all by myself and I’m so nostalgic for it.
I remember reading that when Wonder was announced and characters were shown as Elephants and such, Miyamoto promptly come and said that they "don't look like Mario characters".
Nice quick video!
I think you could have gone into a little more depth about Origami King, you said you stand in both camps for your opinion about it but really only talked about one side!
Would like to hear more about your take in a video like this so soon after announcement!
Where did you get the TTYD gameplay from? Asking since I don’t recognize those floating platforms at 1:31
Great video btw
Looks like a mod, possibly Hero Mode
thanks, im pretty sure its hero mode too
I wouldn't worry about the back tracking in the remake as Nintendo often makes remakes even better and more suitable for casual gamers (they make the remake less grindy). That's what they did to Dragon Quest 8 and Dragon Qiest 7 on the 3DS for example.
We’re just happy to see a masterclass of a game being released on a modern console
I would've been more excited about this reveal if I didn't get spoiled by a discord notification since I couldn't watch the direct live due to having an interview I wish some people would at least wait to post about it online until more people have watched the direct
My First Paper Mario was.. Sticker Star. And you know what? I loved it! After this I played Color Splash, which I thought was a masterpiece; then played Origami King, which I thought was the best game I ever played on the Switch.
Do my points still stand to this day? Of course! I love looking back at these games with their stories and characters and their best moments.
But there's one catch, I never played TTYD. Yup.
So seeing that it gets a Remaster for the Switch makes me happy! For me it's more Paper Mario! Even though I clearly know this will be a much different experience, mainly because of it's more RPG-Based Mechanics. But I'm 100% sure I'll love this game like the others from the series.
You literally just described my exact opinion on the Paper Mario games lol
in my opinion:
Paper mario 64: 9/10
Paper mario ttyd: 9.5/10
Super paper mario: 8/10
Sticker star: 0/10
Color splash: 4/10
Origami king: 7/10
Sticker Star was really bad, and I'm not exaggerating, I can't rescue anything good from that game, but with the following games they fixed the problems that Stickers Star had, but I doubt that in the future any Paper Mario will be as good as the first 2 games.
Your experience with the Paper Mario franchise honestly sounds like a blessing in comparison to what OG fans had to go through! I'm honestly happy for you, that you never had to harbor the bitterness others have for modern Paper Mario! XD
@@lefriki123 Super Paper Mario: Am I a joke to you?
@@jessiebloxie XDDDD SORRY, now I added it
I gotta say, its so refeshing to hear people who got into the series from the new game be so excited about this remake.
The community has felt so divided since it's release, so seeing people be able to enjoy both is so assuring of the series future.
Maybe once more people get to try this game we can all enjoy the series as a whole instead of being divided between classic and modern.
Paper mario ttyd, holds special place in my heart. The remake you can tell they've put in a lot of love into it. When the pre-orders are announced i will definitely pre-order
I guess this shows how wrong Miyamoto can be about certain decisions.
I doubted…I didn’t think it could be do-able, but Nintendo made it real! Paper Mario TTYD HD Remake is so Real!
And I couldn’t have been happier I never played this game and tried my best to not see anything of it, This will be the best thing for me ever!
Paper Mario: Color Splash is and will ALWAYS be my favorite paper mario game, and since my WII U broke I couldn’t play it so I would be SOOOO HAPPY if it came to nintendo
Somebody or some group of people at these meetings at Nintendo is making miracles happen.
Paper Mario The Oragami King is the Thousand Year Door of Modern Paper Mario
Unpopular opinion i love Origami king, its very fun, colorful and beautiful visuals and puzzle solving and I just got into paper mario series and looking forward into a thousand year door I’m super excited the moment i saw the trailer 😊
I hold the same opinion. The Origami King is an amazing game along with The Thousand Year Door. There are things that make both games unique and fun. I wish both kind of paper Mario could exist together.
The problem is that fans keep comparing tok to ttyd despite the fact that it's more of an action adventure game than a proper rpg, it's really unfair how much hate it gets, mostly due to the fact that "ttyd is just better" apparently, it's like criticizing a comic for not being a novel. (Still hyped for ttyd remake, though!)
@@VelvetlossMost of them are on the spectrum and don’t like change anyway so it’s not that surprising
@@Velvetloss The battle system is a lot more repetitive in Origami King and lacks customization. Compared to TTYD's greater variety in enemies, partners and badge system it feels like you're doing the same thing over and over.
The thing is, tho is, it's just a shallower experience of the games we used to love. Anything you LOVE in Origami King is SO much better in the first 3 games. That's why we say it's a better game. Cause it literally is. And saying that is being judgemental, sure, but it's just the truth of the matter. I'm not gonna hold back that just because a bunch of younger kids played Origami King first and grew to believe THAT is what makes the series so great. All I can say is if you think OK was great, TTYD is gonna blow your socks off
1:00 paper mario 64 is a spiritual successor/remake to smrpg
Yeah Paper Mario 64's beta name was Mario RPG 2, it's also another reason why I hate it when Mario RPG fanboys beg for a sequel even though they got one 23 years ago.
fun fact:king of skill/brent one of the biggest mario party and paper mario creators and fan
saw the trailer and he started to freak out since the game was just goated.
also i played colour splash and i will say the combat is weird but the story mode is more fun to watch.
As a fan of the og series I really glad this game is coming back. Paper Mario was my first RPG in the Mario series I ever play before I ever had a gameboy for the other series back in the day.
I was born about a year after TTYD released, so i grew up with a Wii, and Super Paper Mario. I did pay attention to TTYD though, because i had friends who played it who constantly talked anout how great the game was. I was just that one guy who didnt have it.
Now, it's coming to the Switch, and I'll finally get the opportunity to play this game, which is held in such a high regard. I am content, I really am :)
And i hope this means PM64 and SPM can get the same treatment as TTYD. Ive played both of them, and theyre really great games. I would love to see it happen.
I remember being so disappointed with sticker star , didn’t even finish it. And that was rare for me, always played thru any Mario game I owned.
The announcement made an old 35 year old cry. I couldn’t believe we are getting this and Mario RPG again!
TTYD is my all time favorite game, each playthrough is a beautiful experience
The prodigal son returns. Welcome home TTYD, things are so fucked up and im so glad to see you.
I hope that prior to this remake, the newer ones sticks out to original ttyd mechanics!
Actually TTYR isn't even in TOK artstyle. It's back to the way it used to be as well. In TOK a character's body was one single piece of paper where as you can see in the trailer each part of a characters body has layers and are different pieces. Also TOK had a white outline where now they have returned to the black thickness of the paper
Never played this before. Interested to get it!
good stuff man :) keep it up
Great video! You should do a review of The Origami King, I would love to hear your in-depth thought on it!
As someone who HAS played Sticker Star, I’m very happy to hear you didn’t play Sticker Star
I’m bonkers for The Great Gonzales, Creepy Steeple, TEC, and Fried Eggs, love ‘em!
The Great Gonzales is probably my favorite joke from TTYD.
i was an og fan of paper mario and i honestly did love super paper mario as well. it still has the spirit of the series. it was an example of taking a positive risk (to me it's the zelda 2 of the franchise) and the writing was just as good. the decline started after sticker star
I always saw it like this. Miyamoto outlook on having simple stories in general in fine but i think when it comes to RPGS which naturally tend to have a higher focus on storytelling, that ultra simplistic "its fine without a story so does it really need one?" quote doesn't sit all that well with fans.
Personally i don't think either party is to blame for the current state of Paper Mario. An set of unfortunate circumstances has led us to this but looks like we're finally getting a chance to show Nintendo we do in fact prefer this type of RPG.
Good video, but you might want to fix your audio a bit
just wanted to say, the quote in 5:04 is from a Sticker Star interview, not Origami King
Someone already pointed that out, but thank you very much anyway.
When it comes time for the game to be reviewed, the people reviewing the games really need to highlight the character designs, story,, and RPG battle system. Really show Nintendo that their design approach is flawed for newer Paper Mario and they need to rethink the whole "It is no longer possible to modify Mario characters" bullshit. I really just want this game to make Nintendo rethink how they approach this series.
Some additional context: Super Paper Mario deviated so far from the official Mario Canon that I argue it should have been it's own FRANCHISE without Mario. But when it came out as a launch title, parents actually thought it was a platformer like New Super Mario Bros, which was advertised for the Wii at the time, but was NOT a launch title for the Wii. I was one of the kids whose first modern video game was Super Paper Mario and boy was I confused haha. I wish it was it's own franchise because it's nostalgic and insanely heavy for a Mario game. Given it's themes of Flipside being a gateway between universes, this would actually make for a great indie franchise.
But this is why Nintendo STRICTLY limited how many characters you could create for a game, and BANNED derivative characters as a whole. This is why you talk to Generic Toad #5013 instead of Flavio when you play Sticker Star. If the developers were looking to make a new Paper Mario game, Sticker Star was NOT what they would have had in mind for sure.
Excellently put.
I said it before:
If the developers wanted to be so bold with their more Modern Paper Mario formula, they should have gone further and just hand off the formula to a different protagonist and give it greater freedom to not have to live under Paper Mario's shadow. Obviously, they're trying to play it safe by keeping them under the Paper Mario name but they weren't even "playing it safe" right.
At least we're getting something good out of them backpeddling this hard.
You forgot about "Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam" which was a Paper Mario crossover 😆
What's the song at the start of the video?
It’s from my editing software ‘CapCut’ it’s title “refreshing, calm, healing, piano, nature(1368715)”
Thank you! @@The_Renaissance.
Bruh this isn't the origami king artstyle, this is the original TTYD artstyle.
Am I the only one who genuinely loved Color Splash? Music was top notch and I laughed hard more times than I could count at the dialogue and stuff. It was a fun ride honestly. And yes, I played 64 and Thousand Year Door numerous times before trying Color Splash. Still loved CS. That all being said though, nothing compares to 64 or TTYD, so I understand everyone else’s opinions, but I will defend Color Splash darn it. 😅
Im also in the middle I'd say, but im one of those deniers who says we haven't had a Paper Mario since Super Paper Mario.
We get Sticker Marios, which is to say on their own they are fine games, just completely different.
Sticker Mario Origami King is on my wishlist but Im waiting on a sale.
I just bought it for the gamecube and it’s pretty good
I Find it AMAZING how 1 man think he knows whats BEST for the Consumers/FANS of Nintendo.
Sure, he created Mario bros. (Lack of a Story) but he also created Zelda, which is Chock Full of Story, and look how Successful THAT game is. Though I never played PM OK I played the other PM games....
the 1st 3 paper mario games (especially Super paper mario) had Stories, and they were the best.
Yes. It absolutely is that damn good.
Paper mario 64 was my first
cool video! one criticism i have: i don't get the "split into two camps" comment at 3:54, only to say that you're in between the two. i'm also between those two camps...i think more people are between than you'd think.
the loudest opinions online tend to be the extremes, but i don't think that makes it a majority
Love the Origami King defence, the gane gets way too much hate. People act like Nintendo directly wants to compare it to TTYD. and no of course it isnt TTYD, nothing is TTYD besides TTYD (and bug fables). But people act like OK was trying to be the "new TTYD" when it was just them making a solid game with good dialogue, good locales, and semi - replayability. Honestly out of all thr Paper marios OK sits comfortably as my 3rd favorite behind super paper mario. The only annoying thing is the combat is very dull obviously after a long time, but honestly instead of solving a puzzle in earlier titles youd just use the same 3 moves and super guard everything.. Bug Fables imo is the best "Paper Mario" style game, but idk I can definitely appreciate the love they put into Origami King, as even just 10 minutes in you can tell it has MUCH more personality than the prior 2 games, and Im still actually excited to see where thr series goes if they continue, now that they know people absolutely hate the consumable attacks, pointless battles, and white outlined characters.
Overall people just need to learn to go into games with an open mind though especially when its never said to be similar to prior games, its unfair to compare them as such.
Crazy that I'm seeing people say Nintendo is milking nostalgia with all these remakes and rereleases, when it's the fans begging for them in the first place.
Fans should've asked for new games instead.
@@piranhalettuce It's all over the place: there's a lot who want remakes and rereleases and a lot that want new games.
It's impossible to please everyone each time.
Normies will say that FF7 is the best RPG ever, true gamers will say that Paper Mario and the thousand year door is THE goat RPG game 😎👌
Honestly wondering how much more they're spending on the remake than the original!
The thing is that it wasn't Miyamotos fault that they can't do storyies or add new characters. In supermariot's vidoe aboht paper mario he explains how it's intelligent systmes (the devs) that has more control over the franchsie than miyamoto has I recommend watching those videos
I love every game in this series *except* for Sticker Star
I really need to get into Bug Fables before TTYD comes out. and finish Color Splash
Now we just need 64 & super PM. I know we probably won't get 64 but this makes me optimistic for super
2:59 my dude, Color Splash came out in 2016
I Didn’t even catch that! Thank you for telling me.
Yes. Yes, it is ❤
Your content is pretty good. Keep it up 🙂👍
thank you very much!