I've done some minor repair work on my guitars with this same method. The paint markers are wonderful. I've even repaired my childhood rocking chair cracked seat this way. Yes I still have it, I'm 68. Beautiful job!
My son, born in the 90s rode my rocking horse from the 50s, for not long. He became afraid, so the ex put it out for garbage. I'm sure it was picked up from the curb. I was at work. My dog loves my rocker BTW.@@SixRoundsStudio
@@SixRoundsStudio Very interesting video. These carbines are well liked and folks would like to see them back in production. However, as you have noted the stocks are known to crack not just by the trigger housing but at the top of the receiver wood interface. Its a shame as this is about the perfect little brush gun for deer hunting. They command a high price on the used market so knowing the potential for cracking issues can be a deterrent . Thoughts about how these weak areas could be improved ? I suppose polymer is one way . But it looks good in wood.
@@bigben9379 Thanks for the comment!! My families shop had gained somewhat of a reputation for keeping these old work horses functioning. The reasons for the stocks splitting are varied...but much of it involves changes in humidity through out the year as well as how the guns are stored. By design the stocks are thin so proper maintenance is essential. Another problem is the recoil block begins to loosen (screw up through the butt) and folks don't realize it. This can cause recoil stresses at the rear that allows the receiver to slam back into recoil surface of the inletting. Im sure you know that Ruger tried to introduce an updated version of this gun in the 90s, but it was never well received (I think the 44 cal magic was wearing off). Knowing Rugers modern manufacturing methods today, like I do, it is unlikely they would ever try to "retro" one again (the operating mechanism is just to complex). Before the pandemic and the "peaceful riots" we usually had several in stock at the retail store...but with all the mad concern now about more draconian gun control, folks are holding on to their firearms. Regarding prices?....supply and demand.
@@SixRoundsStudio Man would it be awesome to have one in a synthetic stock with a wire folder, like an m1 carbine paratrooper. Something really light and compact with a hell of a thump.
Thanks for taking the time to comment Colin. Here in our area of the North East nearly everything is "brush" or short range. My family has used these 44 Carbines nearly exclusively for deer (and the occasional bear) for the last forty plus years. These little rifles are fantastic and a lot of deer have ended up in the freezer.
I found this great video when I searched for "Ruger .44 carbine front sight" as mine is bent and need to replace it. I inspected my carbine for cracks and thankfully there are none but I know what to do if it happens. Thanks for the expert tutorial!
I made the exactly same repair a week ago, and I used the wedge idea which I thought was pretty clever. That was before I watched this video and it worked just like yours, opening up the crack. I did drill a small 3/32" hole at the end of the crack near the barrel band to prevent the crack from opening any further. By the way, I'm a serious woodworker with all the normal woodworking machines. The rifle was a family heirloom belonging to a friend and when it wouldn't group with 3 different scopes on it, he noticed the crack. My method was so similar to this, it is remarkable! I used Jorgenson clamps because they can adjust for different angles. I also scraped the hardened epoxy off after it has set up. I gave the finished repair about 10 coats of clear which filled in some minor scratched, but renewed the gloss finish nicely without destroying the character. The deeper scrates were important to preserve because of the gun's long histoory in his family. He was very pleased with the result.
I seen my first one of these about 5 years ago never knew they made them. Came across one for sale at a gun store for what i believe was a good price. Kicking myself for not picking it up
Very informative, was impressed with your introduction. Past history and credentials lends credence to your ability to articulate information . I actually own a collection of 44 mag pistols and rifles. Non of the stock are cracked. Will refer this video to my friends, thank you for your skills.
I have a 44 carbine and I love it. It was my dad’s rifle and he loved it too. I have an interesting story to tell about it. When I was about 12-13 I sneaked that rifle out and shot it several rounds. Not knowing any better I just put it back. I got this gun as inheritance and it was filthy and I couldn’t understand why dad had left it so dirty it didn’t fit his way of thinking. Then I remembered sneaking it out when I was much much younger and putting it back without cleaning it. I felt so much better knowing that my dad had not left the gun unclean. Now it has an issue where it jams at least one out of the four shots. That was with some shells loaded toward the heavy side. I loved my dad and he loved his boys, I always had a deep application for his property and I knew if he had got that rifle out he would have tore me a new one and he should have. I take good care of it now and shoot it often.
Nice work what a great story about your history with , Ruger. I was researching why Dads 44 carbine had been jamming when you Video autoplayed. I found a crack in his stock after you pointed it out on your repair, I also found the pot metal trigger housing was broken ending this carbines days so the crack won’t need to be bothered with. Thanks for sharing the quality repair.
@@SixRoundsStudio I have a barrel, magazine and cracked stock. Need a trigger assembly and mag insert. Any recommendations? Found the parts in my attic when remodeling
Very nice video, thank you. Is there a way to use a syringe to inject the epoxy into the crack? Does the denatured alcohol negatively effect the epoxy?
There probably is a way...but I never had luck using the syringe. It is very thick and doesn't want to flow through the needles that I have. A bigger diameter needle?? Maybe. And honestly....I have never thinned the epoxy to see if it would flow better. When I use the alcohol for clean up I a don't use so much to get it into the repair after using the epoxy. All good questions. Might be worth more research and experimentation.
Very nice work! Do you think there is enough internal clearance inside the stock to laminate a thin layer of fiberglass webbing to strengthen the wood (similar to what Remington did in later production 11-48 forends)?
I'm so glad I found your channel! I just subbed after watching the video. I have one of these carbines, and it is one of my most prized guns. I have taken many bucks here in Maine with it. I call it my "freezer filler". Luckily mine isn't cracked( I just checked to make sure) but I have a hair line crack in the fore end of my Browning A-5, and have been trying to figure out a way to fix it myself, because I just can't afford to send it out. This should work perfectly! Thank you for a job very well done and an excellent video. Now I can't wait to fix the Auto 5!
Thanks David. If you search my video catalog you can find a video I did restoring an Auto 5. I cover some of that. Cracked forearms was a real problem for the A5. Glad you are here!
Abdulla...I have had several questions related to this and have been asked by viewers to do a more comprehensive video on the subject. Stay with me and I will try and get a video about maintaining these stock out sometime in the near(ist) future. Thanks for being here and watching.
Bill Ruger had a knack for knowing what the shooting public would accept and buy. Rarely did he miss. The 44 Carbine was one. I personally thought it was genius product and always wanted one.. But never did own one.
Great video Bill. I have a 1983 version in my possession from a friend. It has no cracks that I can see. I was about to disassemble and clean, lube and remove surface rust. The stock shows scars from many days afield. Not something I would improve because my friend put them there. However, while it is apart, seems like a good time to apply a layer of epoxy in the inside in the weak area you describe so clearly. I saw you comment that is a tight area due to the op-rod taking up the space. Do you think it would help strengthen the area to prevent future cracking? I only intend to shoot factory jacketed 240 grain ammo in it. Thanks in advance for your opinions.
No, I wouldnt. Every so often remove the butt plate and check to be sure that the through bolt to the receiver latching block is tight. You dont have to over torque it...just ensure it is secure. If this bolt gets loose (which they sometimes do as the wood cycles through the seasons) then the recoil will slap back into the wood..
Thats a thought. I have used cloth ribbon on other repairs (we use cloth ribbons to give strength to the sides of acoustic guitars when we build them too). Biggest concern on this rifle is the limited space between the wood and the op-rod and spring on the action.
I have a Ruger 44 Magnum with a slight crack. I can either look for another stock, or get instructions on how to repair, or I can send a few photos to you and see if you could repair it. I tried to repair it, but I have a very small missing piece on top towards the rear. This has a cheek piece.
Iv got one serial number in the 102 thousandth made, its split in both sides u indicated and the receiver plate area was cracked right out.wish i could get a stock for it...
New cracks will appear alongside of the repair. To prevent this form fit a piece of 20 thousands of an inch steel foil with the action, then epoxy the foil into place with the foil between the action and the and the wood, to reinforce the wood.
@@SixRoundsStudio Wow - thanks for the courtesy of your prompt reply. I have been inspired by your repair videos to move forward with some of my "projects" and found your instructional content to be very helpful. I know this is a business for you, but appreciate you sharing your knowledge and techniques. I have the time to work on such repairs to my "corral" of interests but unfortunately not the budget to send them off to a pro like you. Thanks again for any more knowledge sharing.
I would not use any wood glue. My suggestion is to buy clear 12 hour epoxy. The bedding epoxy will work but it tends to be a little thicker (for bedding and fill) then the clear, so will be harder to squeeze the joint...and it will leave a dark glue line.
Do you read your comments? I have one of these with the same crack. I thought the crack was from the heavy recoil of the .44 magnum cartridge. Say hello. I look forward to hearing from you. R, Steve
Yes Steve...I try to read all the comments. I also try and respond to every one of them (with a few exceptions). The cause of the cracks are as I described in the video. Oh...and hello...how else can I help you?
I have had only one experience with one and that was to repair it. I cant speak to its overall fit or finish or its quality. I have never seen one on a gun. Does Boyds still make one?
I'm trying to solve a stock mystery relating to a Ruger .44 Carbine. All the .44 Carbines I've ever seen and handled have had one of three hardwood stocks: the standard, common stock as you feature here in the video, the Sporter with finger grooves on the fore end, and the longer international stock. But my father-in-law has a .44 Carbine from about 1972 or '73 with what he says is the original stock, yet (1) it's a Monte Carlo style stock but no finger grooves on the fore end to indicate it's a Sporter version, (2) the profile of the buttplate is flat instead of curved/concave as we're used to seeing, and (3) instead of the standard plastic or aluminum buttplate common to .44 Carbines, this one has a plastic buttplate that is labelled "BISHOP." Could that possibly be an original stock from Ruger?
When I started working for Ruger in 1975, the wood shop (where I spent 30 years) was only building the carbine version of that gunstock. Early stocks (before 1970) were made, I believe, by Overton. Overton is the stock making shop that also made most of the stocks for the M1 Carbine during the Second World War. Now to answer you the best that I can...the only Monty Carlo stock I am aware of is the sporter with the finger groves like you mentioned. But...that said...over 44 years working for the company, I have seen some pretty one-off and rare guns come out of the factory (especially when the old man was alive). A suggestion is that you contact the Ruger Collectors Association and see if they can provide any insights. These guys are passionate about the details.
@@SixRoundsStudio -- Thank you for your response. I saw in another comment where you referenced the re-issue (sort of) of the .44 Magnum about 1999 that is sometimes called the 99/44. I know you know this, but a lot of guys don't know that Ruger attempted to revive the .44 Carbine somewhat in 1996 with the 96/44 lever action made from 1996 to 2006. ~~ For years after Ruger discontinued the .44 Carbine semi-auto in 1985, hunters called for Ruger to bring it back even though .44 Carbines could be purchased for $250 in pawn shops (those were the days!). The 96/44 was an interesting idea, but I didn't love my 96/44 like I thought I would. The wood looked too cheap for a full-priced Ruger, and the 4-shot rotary magazine was difficult to remove from the bottom of the receiver. ~~ Ruger made these look so good in print ads in the late 90s. I wanted a 96/44 for years to pair up with my 1971 .44 Carbine, but when I finally had the money to get one new in the original box, I didn't really like it. I kept it a couple of years and then sold it.
@@cracky_wainwright Ruger reissued the carbine twice (sort of). The 96-44 was a lever action...which you referenced. And we also tried to redesign the 44 Carbine semi-auto using a whole new operating system (based on the Mini 14, the idea was to eliminate the perceived issues that everyone thought plagued the Gen 1 rifle). Neither of the new guns met the expectations of new or returning shooters who just wanted thier old Carbine back in production. The reason the wood looks so different is because...well...it is different. The original carbine was stocked with American Black Walnut (some of it was gorgeous) while the lever gun and Deerfield was either birch, or more likely, beech... a wood trend Ruger continues to use today. Word of caution...If you find either one of these rifles and price is right...grab it! They are ALL hot right now.
Rubin..If you can go to Rodys Gun Shop Facebook page, find our email address and email me a couple of pic to look at, I can tell you what I think about doing the repairs. Reference seeing this video and let me know where you are from. Bill
I like the carbine, but I'm not a fan of Ruger guns with one exception. The old models were good guns, especially the Super Blackhawk. I hate the new models.
@@martyadams3915 Most wont crack. Be sure that the bolt for the rear latch block is tight. The bolt can sometimes loosen and when that happens the "play" between the block and back of the wood inleting can cause a crack behind the block. This is the other major place the stock breaks.
Awesome, I’m a shooter and hunter, and always love watching the men that give you one less thing to worry about on the day.
Thank you Dude!
I've done some minor repair work on my guitars with this same method. The paint markers are wonderful. I've even repaired my childhood rocking chair cracked seat this way. Yes I still have it, I'm 68.
Beautiful job!
Yes....aint modern tech great!! And yup....got some of my childhood stuff too....like my rocking horse from the 50s 😀
My son, born in the 90s rode my rocking horse from the 50s, for not long. He became afraid, so the ex put it out for garbage. I'm sure it was picked up from the curb. I was at work. My dog loves my rocker BTW.@@SixRoundsStudio
Love the extra camera angle. Very effective. Awesome woodwork. You are Ron Swanson!
Thanks. Glad you like
Wish Ruger still made the 44 Carbine. Would love to have seen it in different handgun calibers
Thanks for the comment Chris. Yeah we hear that a lot in the retail shop.
@@SixRoundsStudio Very interesting video. These carbines are well liked and folks would like to see them back in production. However, as you have noted the stocks are known to crack not just by the trigger housing but at the top of the receiver wood interface.
Its a shame as this is about the perfect little brush gun for deer hunting. They command a high price on the used market so knowing the potential for cracking issues can be a deterrent .
Thoughts about how these weak areas could be improved ?
I suppose polymer is one way . But it looks good in wood.
@@bigben9379 Thanks for the comment!! My families shop had gained somewhat of a reputation for keeping these old work horses functioning. The reasons for the stocks splitting are varied...but much of it involves changes in humidity through out the year as well as how the guns are stored. By design the stocks are thin so proper maintenance is essential. Another problem is the recoil block begins to loosen (screw up through the butt) and folks don't realize it. This can cause recoil stresses at the rear that allows the receiver to slam back into recoil surface of the inletting. Im sure you know that Ruger tried to introduce an updated version of this gun in the 90s, but it was never well received (I think the 44 cal magic was wearing off). Knowing Rugers modern manufacturing methods today, like I do, it is unlikely they would ever try to "retro" one again (the operating mechanism is just to complex). Before the pandemic and the "peaceful riots" we usually had several in stock at the retail store...but with all the mad concern now about more draconian gun control, folks are holding on to their firearms. Regarding prices?....supply and demand.
@@SixRoundsStudio Man would it be awesome to have one in a synthetic stock with a wire folder, like an m1 carbine paratrooper. Something really light and compact with a hell of a thump.
Shame Ruger stop making that carbine,I would love to find one.
There out there. People do seem to be holding on to them though.
Love your knowledge as an employee. First hand knowledge is the best knowledge
Thanks Big Elk. Retired with 45 years.
I use this same gun for pushing bush and for my short ranged deer stands
Thanks for taking the time to comment Colin. Here in our area of the North East nearly everything is "brush" or short range. My family has used these 44 Carbines nearly exclusively for deer (and the occasional bear) for the last forty plus years. These little rifles are fantastic and a lot of deer have ended up in the freezer.
I found this great video when I searched for "Ruger .44 carbine front sight" as mine is bent and need to replace it. I inspected my carbine for cracks and thankfully there are none but I know what to do if it happens. Thanks for the expert tutorial!
Thanks razor. My pleasure!
I made the exactly same repair a week ago, and I used the wedge idea which I thought was pretty clever. That was before I watched this video and it worked just like yours, opening up the crack. I did drill a small 3/32" hole at the end of the crack near the barrel band to prevent the crack from opening any further. By the way, I'm a serious woodworker with all the normal woodworking machines. The rifle was a family heirloom belonging to a friend and when it wouldn't group with 3 different scopes on it, he noticed the crack. My method was so similar to this, it is remarkable! I used Jorgenson clamps because they can adjust for different angles. I also scraped the hardened epoxy off after it has set up. I gave the finished repair about 10 coats of clear which filled in some minor scratched, but renewed the gloss finish nicely without destroying the character. The deeper scrates were important to preserve because of the gun's long histoory in his family. He was very pleased with the result.
Sounds like you have a good handle on this wood working stuff Patrick! Glad you watched the video. Hope you are subscribed.
Late to the show but thank you so much. I just purchased a model 44 and it has a small crack in the exact same place. Will be repairing soon
Welcome and I hope the vid helps you
I seen my first one of these about 5 years ago never knew they made them. Came across one for sale at a gun store for what i believe was a good price. Kicking myself for not picking it up
Yep. These little rifles are becoming very desirable and the prices are going up.
Great history story! Great gun also!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
Thank you Jeff !
Very informative, was impressed with your introduction. Past history and credentials lends credence to your ability to articulate information . I actually own a collection of 44 mag pistols and rifles. Non of the stock are cracked. Will refer this video to my friends, thank you for your skills.
Wow...thank you Frank!
I have a 44 carbine and I love it. It was my dad’s rifle and he loved it too. I have an interesting story to tell about it. When I was about 12-13 I sneaked that rifle out and shot it several rounds. Not knowing any better I just put it back. I got this gun as inheritance and it was filthy and I couldn’t understand why dad had left it so dirty it didn’t fit his way of thinking. Then I remembered sneaking it out when I was much much younger and putting it back without cleaning it. I felt so much better knowing that my dad had not left the gun unclean. Now it has an issue where it jams at least one out of the four shots. That was with some shells loaded toward the heavy side. I loved my dad and he loved his boys, I always had a deep application for his property and I knew if he had got that rifle out he would have tore me a new one and he should have. I take good care of it now and shoot it often.
Great story! These rifles absolutely need to be kept clean. Well cared for they will function flawless.
Great techniques. Always a pleasure to watch and listen to a professional. Liked, commented and subscribed
Cheers
Thank you very much!
Nice work what a great story about your history with , Ruger. I was researching why Dads 44 carbine had been jamming when you Video autoplayed. I found a crack in his stock after you pointed it out on your repair, I also found the pot metal trigger housing was broken ending this carbines days so the crack won’t need to be bothered with. Thanks for sharing the quality repair.
I would search and see if you can find a new housing. They are available.
Michael White, I use fmj or sjwc and stay away from solid lead,
I've noticed less cleaning,hence no jams.
@@SixRoundsStudio I have a barrel, magazine and cracked stock. Need a trigger assembly and mag insert. Any recommendations? Found the parts in my attic when remodeling
@@noelkosobucki9722 Ebay, Numrich to start
Thank you for this video sir. Truly
Your most welcome
Love this model 94! 👍🏽😊❤️🇺🇸
44 Carbines are remarkable indeed
Very nice video, thank you.
Is there a way to use a syringe to inject the epoxy into the crack?
Does the denatured alcohol negatively effect the epoxy?
There probably is a way...but I never had luck using the syringe. It is very thick and doesn't want to flow through the needles that I have. A bigger diameter needle?? Maybe. And honestly....I have never thinned the epoxy to see if it would flow better. When I use the alcohol for clean up I a don't use so much to get it into the repair after using the epoxy. All good questions. Might be worth more research and experimentation.
I have a pair of the 96/44's and love them.
Yep...pretty rare and hard to come by. Enjoy it.
Very nice work! Do you think there is enough internal clearance inside the stock to laminate a thin layer of fiberglass webbing to strengthen the wood (similar to what Remington did in later production 11-48 forends)?
Yeah that might be possible
I like your videos, well done.
Thank you very much!
Really great video
Thank you Trent. Looking forward to working with you.
Mine is the 44 mag carbine stock has two cracks. I’m original owner. Going to fix it. Thanks for video. Well done
Thanks for the comment Fred. Please use the clear two part epoxy for your repair. Do not use wood glue!
I'm so glad I found your channel! I just subbed after watching the video. I have one of these carbines, and it is one of my most prized guns. I have taken many bucks here in Maine with it. I call it my "freezer filler". Luckily mine isn't cracked( I just checked to make sure) but I have a hair line crack in the fore end of my Browning A-5, and have been trying to figure out a way to fix it myself, because I just can't afford to send it out. This should work perfectly! Thank you for a job very well done and an excellent video. Now I can't wait to fix the Auto 5!
Thanks David. If you search my video catalog you can find a video I did restoring an Auto 5. I cover some of that. Cracked forearms was a real problem for the A5. Glad you are here!
@@SixRoundsStudio Thank you for responding! I'll definitely look up that video. thanx and happy holidays!
Would like to know how to avoid cracks in this stock area? My understanding, thinness of wood in this area.
Thanks
Peace from Texas
Abdulla...I have had several questions related to this and have been asked by viewers to do a more comprehensive video on the subject. Stay with me and I will try and get a video about maintaining these stock out sometime in the near(ist) future. Thanks for being here and watching.
My stock on same gun is cracked i found in two places. Thanks for this video
Your very welcome
Bill Ruger had a knack for knowing what the shooting public would accept and buy. Rarely did he miss. The 44 Carbine was one. I personally thought it was genius product and always wanted one.. But never did own one.
Yeah...and they are starting to demand crazy money
Wasn't a miss at all, just expensive to make.
Great video Bill. I have a 1983 version in my possession from a friend. It has no cracks that I can see. I was about to disassemble and clean, lube and remove surface rust. The stock shows scars from many days afield. Not something I would improve because my friend put them there. However, while it is apart, seems like a good time to apply a layer of epoxy in the inside in the weak area you describe so clearly. I saw you comment that is a tight area due to the op-rod taking up the space. Do you think it would help strengthen the area to prevent future cracking? I only intend to shoot factory jacketed 240 grain ammo in it. Thanks in advance for your opinions.
No, I wouldnt. Every so often remove the butt plate and check to be sure that the through bolt to the receiver latching block is tight. You dont have to over torque it...just ensure it is secure. If this bolt gets loose (which they sometimes do as the wood cycles through the seasons) then the recoil will slap back into the wood..
nice Mustang!! 1985 GT?
89 LX
why not use glass fabric
along w/ the epoxy to improve
crack/break-resistance via an
exoskeleton like they do
w/ cedar strip canoes?
Thats a thought. I have used cloth ribbon on other repairs (we use cloth ribbons to give strength to the sides of acoustic guitars when we build them too). Biggest concern on this rifle is the limited space between the wood and the op-rod and spring on the action.
a transparent wrap around the wood wrist and last 1/4 of the butt would likely have been standard if they had it back then@@SixRoundsStudio
I have a Ruger 44 Magnum with a slight crack. I can either look for another stock, or get instructions on how to repair, or I can send a few photos to you and see if you could repair it. I tried to repair it, but I have a very small missing piece on top towards the rear. This has a cheek piece.
Iv got one serial number in the 102 thousandth made, its split in both sides u indicated and the receiver plate area was cracked right out.wish i could get a stock for it...
Right now I think ebay is your best bet
what final finish did you use? ratios?
It was a basic tongue oil finish mixed with mineral spirit to thin it down.
New cracks will appear alongside of the repair.
To prevent this form fit a piece of 20 thousands of an inch steel foil with the action, then epoxy the foil into place with the foil between the action and the and the wood, to reinforce the wood.
@@sashadala346 Thank you for the suggestion sasha
Can you do a vid on your “secret sauce” in the cup that you use for a finish substitute?
Or at least some options ?
Thanks
Yeah I can talk a little about that some vid in the future. Actually I have hinted at it over several videos that I do finishing.
@@SixRoundsStudio Wow - thanks for the courtesy of your prompt reply. I have been inspired by your repair videos to move forward with some of my "projects" and found your instructional content to be very helpful. I know this is a business for you, but appreciate you sharing your knowledge and techniques. I have the time to work on such repairs to my "corral" of interests but unfortunately not the budget to send them off to a pro like you. Thanks again for any more knowledge sharing.
@@cswhan3201 You are most welcome. Stay tuned. Plan to this for a while yet.
Ruger should definitely produce magnum pistol carbines
Yeah they've been there Philip. Not sure they will ever do it again.
MY QUESTION
I have gorilla wood glue and
A two part epoxy made for bedding rifles,which would you recomend?
I would not use any wood glue. My suggestion is to buy clear 12 hour epoxy. The bedding epoxy will work but it tends to be a little thicker (for bedding and fill) then the clear, so will be harder to squeeze the joint...and it will leave a dark glue line.
I understand the mfg, date is according to the serial number. Where can I get that info please.
I think I would start here: ruger.com/dataProcess/serialHistory/
Do you read your comments? I have one of these with the same crack. I thought the crack was from the heavy recoil of the .44 magnum cartridge. Say hello. I look forward to hearing from you.
R, Steve
Yes Steve...I try to read all the comments. I also try and respond to every one of them (with a few exceptions). The cause of the cracks are as I described in the video. Oh...and hello...how else can I help you?
Has anyone bought a Boyd's 44 carbine stock. Are they good.
I have had only one experience with one and that was to repair it. I cant speak to its overall fit or finish or its quality. I have never seen one on a gun. Does Boyds still make one?
I'm trying to solve a stock mystery relating to a Ruger .44 Carbine. All the .44 Carbines I've ever seen and handled have had one of three hardwood stocks: the standard, common stock as you feature here in the video, the Sporter with finger grooves on the fore end, and the longer international stock. But my father-in-law has a .44 Carbine from about 1972 or '73 with what he says is the original stock, yet (1) it's a Monte Carlo style stock but no finger grooves on the fore end to indicate it's a Sporter version, (2) the profile of the buttplate is flat instead of curved/concave as we're used to seeing, and (3) instead of the standard plastic or aluminum buttplate common to .44 Carbines, this one has a plastic buttplate that is labelled "BISHOP." Could that possibly be an original stock from Ruger?
When I started working for Ruger in 1975, the wood shop (where I spent 30 years) was only building the carbine version of that gunstock. Early stocks (before 1970) were made, I believe, by Overton. Overton is the stock making shop that also made most of the stocks for the M1 Carbine during the Second World War. Now to answer you the best that I can...the only Monty Carlo stock I am aware of is the sporter with the finger groves like you mentioned. But...that said...over 44 years working for the company, I have seen some pretty one-off and rare guns come out of the factory (especially when the old man was alive). A suggestion is that you contact the Ruger Collectors Association and see if they can provide any insights. These guys are passionate about the details.
@@SixRoundsStudio -- Thank you for your response. I saw in another comment where you referenced the re-issue (sort of) of the .44 Magnum about 1999 that is sometimes called the 99/44. I know you know this, but a lot of guys don't know that Ruger attempted to revive the .44 Carbine somewhat in 1996 with the 96/44 lever action made from 1996 to 2006. ~~ For years after Ruger discontinued the .44 Carbine semi-auto in 1985, hunters called for Ruger to bring it back even though .44 Carbines could be purchased for $250 in pawn shops (those were the days!). The 96/44 was an interesting idea, but I didn't love my 96/44 like I thought I would. The wood looked too cheap for a full-priced Ruger, and the 4-shot rotary magazine was difficult to remove from the bottom of the receiver. ~~ Ruger made these look so good in print ads in the late 90s. I wanted a 96/44 for years to pair up with my 1971 .44 Carbine, but when I finally had the money to get one new in the original box, I didn't really like it. I kept it a couple of years and then sold it.
@@cracky_wainwright Ruger reissued the carbine twice (sort of). The 96-44 was a lever action...which you referenced. And we also tried to redesign the 44 Carbine semi-auto using a whole new operating system (based on the Mini 14, the idea was to eliminate the perceived issues that everyone thought plagued the Gen 1 rifle). Neither of the new guns met the expectations of new or returning shooters who just wanted thier old Carbine back in production. The reason the wood looks so different is because...well...it is different. The original carbine was stocked with American Black Walnut (some of it was gorgeous) while the lever gun and Deerfield was either birch, or more likely, beech... a wood trend Ruger continues to use today. Word of caution...If you find either one of these rifles and price is right...grab it! They are ALL hot right now.
I have a 44 with that exact same cracked stock would you do repairs if I ship?
Rubin..If you can go to Rodys Gun Shop Facebook page, find our email address and email me a couple of pic to look at, I can tell you what I think about doing the repairs. Reference seeing this video and let me know where you are from. Bill
I like the carbine, but I'm not a fan of Ruger guns with one exception. The old models were good guns, especially the Super Blackhawk. I hate the new models.
@@garyhammond2213 lots of people saying the same thing. Progress.
I have so much history with this model. I guess if you are going to be in a cult you could do much worse than the ruger carbine cult. Lol
I could not agree more. Thanks for being here Marty!
@@SixRoundsStudio by the way I checked mine and no cracks.
@@martyadams3915 Most wont crack. Be sure that the bolt for the rear latch block is tight. The bolt can sometimes loosen and when that happens the "play" between the block and back of the wood inleting can cause a crack behind the block. This is the other major place the stock breaks.