Winchester 1894 Refinish
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- This Model 1894 Winchester manufactured in 1940 gets a new lease on life. We do a partial restoration and refinish for this customer trying to maintain as much of what is original finishes as possible while restoring those that needed some love.
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Wonderful job sir! I was once told that the key to refinishing a gun and keeping the value is to make it look as if it was never touched and that’s exactly what you did!
Thank you Zach! That has always been my goal.
You are a Craftsman among Crafstmen. Beautiful restoration and not "over-restored". Just perfect. I am forever indebted to you for saving my Winchester 44-40. I enjoy seeing your mastery on other rifles as well.
Thank you Ben
This is a FANTASTIC production. Absolutely gorgeous. Please continue this type of content. The narration, timelapse, soundtrack, chapter titles. The only thing that could have been better was seeing the customer's reaction. Subbed and hoping for more classic gun cleaning, care, and demonstratins.
Thank you Clayton! Content will be mostly firearms related. But if you watch any of my other vids, you will know that I build guitars in the shop as well. My viewers have all said in a recent poll that they would enjoy some of that content so you will see some of that as well.
I'm obviously an amateur bc. it looks pretty good to start with.
Yes Tim...we tried to discourage the restoration. But this was not a particularly rare example so we weren't hurting any history of collectors value. This was the customers firearm so we were ok doing the work. We would rather it was us then some of the other restoration work we have seen. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Nice job Bill! I ended up with my grandfather's model 94 30-30 in the late 80's. I was just looking at the serial number the other night and found it to be manufactured between 1949 - 1950. When I was a kid I would sneak into the closet, where it was on the gun rack, just to look at it.
There is something very special about these old rifles. Made all the more special when they are passed down generations with history. Thanks for being here Michael!
This was so relaxing!
Thank you MrRestore!
Beautiful work
Thank you very much!
I like an old gun that looks like an old gun but to each his own. You do 1st rate work!
Thank you. We do try and guide our customers to make the best decisions, but at the end of the day it is there gun.
This fella knows guns. Wow!
Well thank you Jeffrey.
You do amazing work.
Thank you
Absolutely gorgeous Winchester model 94. This was when a gun was gun. Thanks for sharing the entire transformation. Have a Happy New Year.
And Happy New Years back at you...and thank you for taking the time to comment. There is indeed something special about any of these old Winchesters. Some of my favorite...and my favorites to work on.
Looks wonderful!. Really neat workshop and good to see proper British style turnscrews (aka screwdrivers) being used. The post-64 '94s have sintered metal receivers and are quite difficult to refinish when the "black chrome" finish wears off.
I do love old school rust blue finish
Gret work Bill it's a beautiful piece.
Thanks Dan...Your next
excellent work👍
From a fellow traveler...Thank you!
Beautiful work on a classic firearm.
Thank you for the kind words Perry. Appreciate them
Excellent work and good music too.👍
Thanks Bill...boy hasn't the music in this vid been a bone of contention for so many commenters. Appreciate the feedback
I just bought a Winchester ‘94 yesterday. Built in the 60’s. I absolutely love it!
They are an icon
Absolutely beautiful bluing Wow you are good! Thank you the videos.
Thank you. Old time rust bluing is very traditional and some of the most beautiful!
AWESOME WORK!
Thank you RedBrier
Good job. 👍
Excellent video! Loved the music as well!
Thank you. Funny really...the last commenter hated the music. Guess you can't please everyone.
I had my Winchester 94 restored a couple months ago. It turned out beautifully.
Nice!
Impressive attention to detail
Thank you cuz
Amazing job! I hope to get my 30 30 refinished sometime this year
Thank you so much.
Nice old 94.........made the year I was born.
Yep....they are!
Wow amazing work I wish I could handle things like that
Geez Charlie A....really appreciate the comment!
Nice Job, My Friend!
Thank you Steve
Impeccable job, that's a great rifle to do it to. Mine was manufactured in1937 and still in original condition. Been in the family since my grandfather bought it. Get's handed down. Great video.
Thank you Crash! These old Winchesters have a mystique and a life. Hard not to love them!
@@SixRoundsStudio that's so true, they put alot of meat on the tables.
I would trust you to do any work for me. Because of the LOVE you put into any thing you do. Earl
Thanks Earl!! A long time customer and Rodys booster.
Thanks for sharing
My pleasure
I just bought my first model 94. I rescued it in the parking lot of the Fort Worth Police Department at their recent gun "buyback". It has a lot of surface rust, but that is the only issue. It is soaking in Evapo-Rust as I am typing this. This is going to be a fun project.
Really glad your giving it a try.
@@SixRoundsStudio I have always wanted a lever action 30-30. It's got a 1980's serial number, but this will give me experience until I find me a pre 64.
@@digitusimpudicus2325 That is a really good choice if this your first try at restoration.
@@SixRoundsStudio I think it's a good investment for $100.
@@digitusimpudicus2325 You did good!
I think people tune into these videos by and large to learn how to do things not just watch someone do it while they play music. It really is the explanation that is key
Thanks for the comment Locked. Have you watched any of my other videos? The Ithaca restoration series? This particular vid that you commented on is a high performing video for me and has gained many subscribers to the channel. There are many people who tune in for many different reasons. You obviously wanted something from this vid that you didnt get. I am sorry for that. I appreciate you taking the time to give feedback. I am curious however...is this the only vid of mine that you have seen? I would be interested in your thoughts on some of the others.
I’m staring at a pretty rusty one of these manufactured in 1916, in 30 WCF trying to decide how to proceed.
This thing is so cool it’s even got the old Lyman Mod 1 peep sights!
Doesn’t look to be particularly pitted, but I’m really leaning towards going VERY minimal.
I think it’s just too awesome to “restore”, and I don’t want to steal the life from it.
P.S.
I don’t know how your shop looks so good.
Mine looks like a grenade went off in it!
Just good camera angles 😀There are techniques for doing minimal evasive restoration techniques.
Bravo!!!
I hoid the 32-40 kicks less than a 30-30 😌
Beautiful! How much did something like this cost to do?
I'm curious as to what he charges to do this? I just scored a 1965 model 94 30-30 for $200!! I'd love to have it redone.
Beautiful job , that looks awesome !!!
I just purchased an old 1894 in 38-55 , guy said it has been restored at some point , i don't care if it does detract from the value it looks great , i don't understand why the value is deminished on an older gun if the job was done like yours ?
Great job !!!
Well....purist! Its only original once. I try not to take all of the "story" out of a gun when i restore so it looks more well cared for then restored. Thanks for the comment and complement.
Your welcome , by the way I loved the way you made that video with the added music !
Who sings that song " gonna love ya " ?
Mine is made in 1909
Only drawback is someone drilled and tapped the receiver. Finding a smith to repair that has been difficult local to Corpus Christi tx. But I still love this one. Has a short magazine but im told that is how it was made.
Put some recessed cap screws in the holes and be done with it! Those holes tell the "story" of that firearm. Here in the North East hunters did this all the time (putting scopes on). And though that does take away some value...it also represents the history of hunters around here (and Im sure other places too).
I have an 1894 Winchester Model. It needs restoration.
I'm going to share some secrets. First you need to degrease, then use a Muriatic Acid solution to "etch" and remove old blue. Plug the bore before doing any such thing. Polish after. Don't over polish and use flats when working the sides. Use a low RPM when while buffing and a coarse polishing stick. degrease and then reblue. (Someimes a very quick dip back into acid mix and then to blue).
Well thank you c s
Bravo 👏👏👏👏
Thank you
@@SixRoundsStudio Hello avec plaisir j'ai l'original avec le goupillon si tu as un mail je t'enverrai une vidéo 🫡
They tri so hard to make guns so complicated it scares you away
Looked good before. Looks good after.
Thank you. Though we tried to discourage the restoration at the end our job was to make it look like it never happened. Thanks for commenting.
Was just wondering 🤔 if both a 32 special and a 32-40 could be converted to 30-30 by only changing the barrels ?
Every thing would have to be head spaced. Better to just buy a gun with the caliber you want
Great work, what would be the name of that stain color? Thanks
Thanks for the comment Looking. Not a stain. I mix my colors from scratch.
I want to know what you used last on your stock. I pulled mine down because some how it got nicked!
Not sure the question?
Loved your video. My son and I are in the process of restoring my Grandfather’s 1939 Model 94 32 Winchester Special. It is the nickel steel and has quite a bit of rust and pitting. I’ve ordered both stocks off Brownells but what do you recommend we do to clean the metal up and make it shine again. Thanks in advance.
If you are only intending to clean the metal and not repolish and reblue then 000steelwool and wd40 will be about the best you can do. Use very light pressure when doing this. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Thank you for the timely response. I will be looking forward to seeing you over on Patreon. Keep up the good work.
Your workmanship is impeccable. However, I am saddened that the owner wanted to "freshen up" a more than acceptable condition vintage Model 1894. IMHO, the rifle is now worth far less than it was. YMMV.
Yep all is true...but hopefully I respected the history of the gun enough that to the casual observer the evidence will be hard to spot.
@@SixRoundsStudio Thank you. As long as it is not represented as "original", (which you have *beautifully* duplicated the finish thereof) then as long as the owner is happy... I guess that's enough. I will not be doing this with my Grandfather's model 1894 SRC, which he carried during his stint in the Royal Northwest Mounted Police...
@@kbjerke We always try to communicate the results of, and philosophy involved, with any restoration. In this case both my dad and I both tried to discourage the work because the gun was easily 85 % condition. (I have enough work that one more restoration wont make or break me), but the owner would have none of it...he wanted the work done. So we do the best most honest job we can. We (the shop) will never represent the gun as original (can not speak for the owner)...but as I told you I left enough clues that any discerning collector should make the leap. Always glad that you watch my vids and comment. Its nice talking to a fellow traveler (someone who gets this stuff).
I'm not sure that it matters terribly much with the after market addition of sling mounts and a rear peep sight. The gun was already a shooter.
Damn good job man. Thats beautiful. I’ve got a late 60’s model 94 and I want to get it refinished. About how much would a job like this cost me?
Thanks for the comment and the question. I get this question often. It is nearly impossible for me to answer that with any comfort. I work by the hour and never know what I will run into or what will need to be done. I work by the hour and not by the job so It could be 250 to to 1200 depending on what the rifle needs and what your expectations are. I know this is not a completely helpful answer but is the best I can do without seeing the rifle or having conversations with you.
Have you ever replaced a winch. Barrel ? Could you do an instructional on this 🤔 ? Thank you !
Actually no...I have never had cause to replace a winchester barrel during a restoration. Would I ever...??
What is the finest grit that you use to polish it prior to Blueing?
I don't want to unnecessarily polish more than I need to.
The grit depends on the level of "mirror" finish you are looking for. 320 will get you very close to the original factory level of finish (if this is a winchester 94).
@@SixRoundsStudio I'm glad I asked. 320 was looking pretty good, but I wasn't sure if I should keep going finer.
How much does it cost to do that kind off work ? Many thanks
It all really depends on the condition of the rifle to start with. The more rust or pitting...the more work to resurrect the finish.
I have read that the steel used in the receivers from the 1920's is different than the steel in this 1940. The older receivers had a common problem of the bluing flaking off easily. Is there a way to re-blue these older receivers with a more durable surface treatment? Can these older receivers be case hardened with bone powder to make it colorful?
Matt, thanks for taking the time to comment! I am not a metallurgist so can only comment based on my experiences. Metal, metallurgy, strength of materials, etc… all improve over time. Metals today are different by some degree from metals in 1900. With all that said, my experience is that different metals with different metallurgy blue differently, depending on the bluing method used. If you see enough firearms, and observe them carefully, the color of “bluing” can range from a deep blue to a subtle purple. But bluing is not a coating like paint, so it will not “flake” off. Typically it will wear any place where the steel is in regular contact with something…like a holster of a gloved hand (in the vintage world we call that wear patina). There are some modern coatings on firearms that are being used, and some of those will chip or flake as you suggest (usually on less expensive firearms). To answer your question about durability…bluing “is” durable but has all the issues listed above. If you use the firearm a lot, it will wear in any of those contact points (but it will take years for this to happen). If you are not worried about the collector value, then Cerakote finishes are available (and many firearms manufactures are starting to use it). Can older receivers be color cased? Yes. In fact this was a typical finish around 1900. It is a special process that takes a shop with knowledge and experience to pull off well (it can be expensive). Hope that helps. This might make an interesting topic for a future video…what do you think?
@@SixRoundsStudio A video like you suggested would be of great value. I bought a Winchester 94 Trapper receiver that was made in 1929. It looks good with a small bit of rust on the sides. I only have the receiver though and am looking for a way to build this into a functioning carbine again.
I am not all that concerned about the "vintage" value because most of the original parts were not included with the receiver when I bought it. I would be interested to see if this nickel steel could under go a salt bath treatment to case harden the whole thing. I would however prefer the colorful case hardening.
I still need to find the parts to complete the build.
What bluing solution did you use? Mark Lee Express??
Yes sir.
@@SixRoundsStudio Thank you,Sir
... How many rounds of application and boiing
@@bpm74 totally up to you and the look you are going after. Three rounds is usually adequate. Depends on the steel. How finely polished. How deep blue you might be looking for. There does reach a point of diminishing return, where the work ain't worth the results though.
@@SixRoundsStudio Thanks , Tried using the Mark Lee Express on the mag well and Trigger guard of a BRNO Model 2... it didn't get any darker after the 3rd round ... it didn't get darker than the orginal finish.... steel alloy makes a huge difference, I guess
@@bpm74 Yeah....
Love the music.
Thank you! Some mixed opinions on that. Appreciate the comment.
@@SixRoundsStudio
I'll second that SixRounds! I come back here just to listen to that number! Thanks.
I have a really nice Nickel steel model 94 and the stock has shrunk over the years resulting in a slight wobble in the butt stock and the butt plate overhangs a little. Any ideas? I was thinking of soaking it in hopes it will swell again but it is such a beautiful blonde color I am terrified to wreck it. I believe it was made in 1919 or 1929 years ago I looked up the serial number but forgot the exact year
Do NOT add water...it will crack the stock. If you have a humidifier you can add water back that way. Put the stock in a closet or small room with the humidifier running. Use distilled water not tap water. Depending on how dry your environment is it could take days. The problem will be that if the humidity conditions where you live are always dry, then the stock will always want to shrink.
@@SixRoundsStudio Alberta Canada. 120km from the mountains It's no desert. but it's definitely not like living by the coast. I've had a few old cowboys tell me to just throw the butt stock in a pond for a few days. I really like the humidifier idea tho. Thanks for the tip.
@@ZackBadCompany1234 Here in New England it is 80 to 90 % humidity in the summer and as dry as 15 or 20% in the winter with the heat running all the time. I also build and play guitars so I have to run humidifiers in the music room to keep the guitars from shrinking and cracking. It also affects the guitars playability. This is a problem that has existed for generations. Thats why a lot of the old time custom gun makers would use a layer of bedding epoxy to help stabilize the wood stocks for target and hunting rifles.
How do you estimate the actual year I have a model 94 it's working and operating but wanna revamp it
There are several sources. Try this: winchestercollector.org/dates/
@@SixRoundsStudio thanks very much brother great video I keep watching it lol mine seems to have the sight screws missing that's it I'm finding a few places that sell the screw kits I really appreciate that
@@SixRoundsStudio well unfortunately it ask for model number right out of the box lol that's exactly what I'm trying to find out lol il have to take it to gun shop I assume sure appreciate your time
@@TattedTommysTv my pleasure Tattoo
Does restoration devalue the rifle?
Ahhhh....one of life's great questions! The answer....it depends. Condition, rarity, provenance, etc...is everything.
Remember that it is only original once. Every artifact has a story to tell. Every ding or missing bluing is telling a story about how that gun passed through time. When you see the same kinds of condition issues or wear marks in similar locations on similar guns...that tells an even greater story about the manufacture and the use of those firearms over time.
So if the gun is "collectable" and is in 70 or greater percent condition...leave it alone (my opinion). A true collector will devalue that firearm if restored. That said...a restoration done by someone with knowledge and experience on a firearm that is in trouble (like the 1905 Ithaca that I restored on the channel) then it can only increase its value. But the trade off (much like restoring an old car) is that the owner can very quickly get upside down on the cost of the restoration vs the value of the gun (or car) when the job is done.
Hope that helped?
@@SixRoundsStudio thank you. You see I have a model 94 golden spike. Serial number puts its manufacture date in 1895. Some surface rust on the outside of the barrel. Some rust coming through the gold finish on the receiver and barrel bands. Been on the fence on having the finish restored. Now I think I’ll just coat it in clp and put it on display.
I have an old 1954 Win 94 that needs restoration. Would you be willing to restore mine just like you did in the video?
Thanks for considering me Scott. Right now my schedule is over a year out so I am not taking any new commitments.
I will certainly rewatch your videos so I can restore mine. You really do fine work sir!!
I prefer them with the patina. Please tell me you wouldn’t do this to a 1886 to for restoration. Great work but…
Were you able to watch all the videos regarding this rifle. In the first vid I explained that we had tried to discourage the customer from doing the restoration from the beginning, but the customer insisted that it be done. I have published several (many) vids discussing restoration and restoration philosophy, how we ultimately decide if we are willing to do one or not, and then how we approach every restoration when we do. I hope this helps, and I hope you consider subscribing and watching more videos. Thanks for the comment.
You did a good job and it looks amazing. I understand the customer is always right. I’m no gunsmith, but I am a lever gun fan. I just hate to see a relic modified. You should a little brief history of the model during the years. You earned a subscription.
what brand of bluing agent do you use
Mark Lee
@@SixRoundsStudio How many times do you coat/card before boiling?
@@071Tom Well...you will hate this...depends! I am looking for a color and a deepness that suits the restoration and also gives an even coat along the entire gun. You will most likely need three coats minimum...I have gone as much as 6 or 8. Each coat will give a deeper look to the bluing, but eventually the gain ain't worth the time in...so you stop.
@@SixRoundsStudio thanks for the info, I have used mark Lee before but on muzzle loaders where I was found for a more brown appearance, so I have never used the boiling water method. How ever I got a marlin model 28 pretty much for free so I figured it would be a good candidate for dipping my toes into restoration
@@071Tom Perfect! Mark Lee makes three colors. Be sure to choose the rust blue (not brown or slow rust blue)
Boiled linseed oil...topped with thinned truoil ?
Yep...you could. Any finish chosen should be thinned. Multiple thin coats are always better than a few thick coats.
@@SixRoundsStudio thanks...i am in the process of restoring a 1976 model 94. Sust a shooter that neefs some tlc. I just stripped the wood and am curing some teak oil on it. Going to test piece some walnut with thined truoil.
Then its off to disassemble and cold blue the metal. Need to study more youtubes on the disassemble!
A bit involved!
Also just subbed!
@@gman77gas Yep...but once you get used to it...gets pretty easy
@@gman77gas Thank You!!
The hot Blueing is definitely a superior finish, but since I don't have anyone to teach me, I'll probably go with cold blue. 😕
Dont throw the "rust blue" process out the window too easily. It is not hard to do and does not require a huge outlay of cash to get there.
@@SixRoundsStudio I appreciate the feedback.
@@SixRoundsStudio can I get an email address to reach out to you?
@@digitusimpudicus2325 Private message me on my SixRounds Facebook page and I will give it to you
@@digitusimpudicus2325 Polishing: th-cam.com/video/F6x52IJUS2E/w-d-xo.html
So you can reblue a Winchester 94! After so many years of hearing that the very hard nickel-steel alloy won't take a normal hot(or cold) blue. You just proved that old wives tale wrong.
Yeah...thats why I use rust blue. It is more period correct and the color is "even" between the different steels. If you were to use hot caustic bluing, often times (usually) the barrel will have a deep purple cast. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Enjoyed watching you restore that wonderful rifle! But the music was a naw, for me. I’d rather hear what you’re doing. Keep up the good work
Thanks Joseph. I hope you watch more of my vids.
Two Thumbs yeah, and you didn't even have any parts left over.
Nope no parts...this time ;) Thank you for the comment
That's the easy one, try a post 64... lol
Ill bite. What makes a post 64 more difficult?
Don't hate on me - as I really enjoyed your restoration video - but towards the end of the video, an American Flag (artwork? actual flag?) is on display - incorrectly (15:52). The 'Blue field' should always be presented in the upper left-hand corner when hanging down or displayed horizontally. That is if you wish to follow proper display procedures for the US American Flag. If that is a piece of artwork, and the Blue field, stars, and stripes are only on one side - then hang it horizontally.
Nah...I'm not a hater. Appreciate the comment. This is indeed a piece of artwork (it is only one sided). I bought it to hide the power panel behind it (makes for a better looking backdrop). I would rather fly this flag then not fly a flag at all. I call this flag "faded glory". We have become so divided as a nation, and so many have run from and deny our past and our history, that I think that maybe it appropriate that it hangs backwards? Anyway thanks for taking the time to comment...and I hope you keep watching.
Hi there. I have a 56’ Winchester 30/30 How can I get mine restored? Do you have a website for a phone number
I see you found out a way to contact me. I have answered..hope you have seen it
This is NOT how mine is going.
Using the Perma Blu...the finish not as deep or even. But I also didn't spend the time stripping it COMPLETELY either.
Just wanted to cover the bare metal the previous owner left.
I don't hate the results I'm getting...I like it. But it's going to be MY gun until I die...nobody will pay me what it's worth
- to me. Like, the money I paid for it. 🤣
I like the passion you show for it! It is a process for sure to get a factory or custom finish, but you can say you gave it a try and learned from the experience. More than a lot of folks can claim. Enjoy the gun and enjoy the history. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Have a question I've disassembled my old original 1894 Winchester the gun your working on looks to be very similar but newer the elevator that looks like yours when you install it and put the screws in it will not pivot forward and up inside the receiver it hits on something I've tried to put in in with the elevator up inside the receiver but you have to fight with the elevator spring to get the screws in you have to push in the elevator to line the holes up and its difficult to push the elevator hold it to insert the screws.is there some kind of trick I'm missing? Just concerned I might break something.
Thanks.
Wow...lots of question without seeing the gun. Are these the original parts that you removed from the gun or is this a new part? Not sure I completely understand exactly where your referencing but Winchester made changes to this over years. Be sure to look at a schematic for the model year you have and be sure the parts are model years correct.
@@SixRoundsStudio Well the parts are what was in it when I received it the gun was filthy really bad and needed disassembly and not even sure if the elevator worked to begin with it was so gummed up and rusty but the elevator spring and elevator look exactly like yours and honestly I can't seem to find a thing on the original 1894 black powder gun for schematics or videos yours was closest so far as to something close to what I have. All I know is the elevator installed pointing down will not turn up into the receiver the squared rear part of the elevator hits the inside the receiver and will not go very puzzling.
@@willf5768 check out this video....one of the best on YT. See if this is helpful. Go to timestamp 23:00. I think this is what you are asking? th-cam.com/video/ytVmLEbsggY/w-d-xo.html
VERY thorough presentation thank you, I just wanted to know how to get the forstock off….More talk , less annoying music next time please
Glad it was helpful!
POOP!
Yup nothing wrong with that rifle 🤷
Kill the bad sound.
A 30-30 wnchester Has more power then that plastic piece of Poop called a 308! Ar 10 or A sr-or -lr 308! Truth A thirty thirty Winchester Is a 308! that is the diamitore 0f the bore!
Man the music really ruins this video's potential.
Well Brett...this has been a common critique of the vid. I made this a long time ago. I hope you take the time to watch some of my other (more recent) stuff. Thanks for watching
Stupid music couldn’t even watch
Well thank you for your encouraging words. Interestingly this is one of my most popular vids with many comments just the opposite of yours. I hope you took some time to view some of my other vids (for comparison I mean). And if not...then I respect your right to find another creator that exactly meets your needs.
Horrible music.Ruined video for me.
Gary it has been said many times. Some liked it...some did not. Have you taken the time to watch any of my vids made over the last year or so?