@@Plasmacore_V The novels aren't canon, they're beta content. Nothing in them is canon until it shows up in the TV shows or movies. So that's just a _possible_ explanation.
The best Borg origin story I've seen is from Ressurected Starship where the Borg is the eventual outcome of any species that values unity and technological progress above all things, even over personal rights. They consider themselves less an organization than an inevitable philosophical and evolutionary outcome of all life and thus cannot be truly destroyed, just temporarily set back even when their current iteration is wiped out somehow as they will remanifest somewhere eventually. I'd love to see a short horror story of a starfleet ship encountering a civilization on the cusp of embracing this borg-like nature only for the actual Borg to show up and assimilate these aliens without resistance.
Similar to the modern explanation for Doctor Who's Cybermen. Rather than a single entity with a singular origin, they are simply a natural failure state of human (or similar) populations that reach a certain level of technological advancement, often spurred on by worsening environmental conditions and social decay. Eventually people start cybernetically augmenting themselves to survive, and it progresses along similar lines from there.
Yes, this has always been my preferred concept of the Borg--that they have had many different origins, and whenever two versions of them meet they merge. They are basically the endgame of capitalism--everyone is a replaceable cog with no life beyond laboring, for which they receive no reward, all in the name of endless infinite expansion, endless consumption of more resources, the devastation of entire worlds by flying black industrial factory-office building hybrids full of cubicles.
@JenABlue-ed1bw I prefer your interpretation to that of those who cast the struggle between the Federation and the Borg as being analogous to that between so-called freedom loving capitalists and collectivist communists. My own personal experience of capitalism has been very far from liberating, and much more de-individualising than such a perspective can account for. I was Locutus of McDonald's for a while, but now I am free, and very much in favour of libertarian socialism and it's worker cooperative model of business. Capitalism minus the parasites equals socialism. Simple.
@@NeilEvans-xq8ik Hi! Yeah, I'm somewhere in the left-libertarian, anarcho-socialist spectrum myself, so probably pretty close to you ideologically! And yeah, that take on the Federation and Borg has never made sense to me. The episode that INTRODUCED [the mysterious attacks on the Romulan border that would eventually turn out to be] the Borg made a huge deal out of how very NOT capitalist the Federation is--it's a post-scarcity socialist state! How do people claim THAT represents capitalism in this interpretation?
Schisms is one of the creepiest Trek episodes I've *ever* watched. And the holodeck scene where they're re-creating the surgical table from memory is 100% pure high-octane nightmare fuel. That said, the infamous scene with the Bluegill queen, for lack of a better term, is probably the best Trek body horror we've ever gotten. Better even than the reveal of Locutus and the "de-evolution" episide. I have a bone to pick with that episode, however.
I don't know why but I keep remembering some statement that they said the Bluegills were like what they originally wanted to make the Borg before switching directions and making the Borg cybernetic. The Bluegills were a hive race and the Borg were a hive race... Plus it's believed the Bluegills sent their message to the Delta Quadrant which is home of the Borg.
@@somebodykares1 yep the Borg were what we got when it came time to follow up on "Conspiracy" but the Bluegills had not been very well received. Also the they retroactively linked the destroyed border outposts mentioned in "The Neutral Zone" implying that the Borg had already been in the Beta Quadrant for some time hence why they showed up on the Federation's doorstep so soon after "Q Who?" (long before the transwarp conduits were ever thought of.)
This one is partially explained, but I think it's still worrying nonetheless, but I think that the Sphere Builders from Enterprise would make a good honorable mention on this list. Although their motivations are revealed we don't know enough about them to really understand them. Also, as far as I'm aware, there is nothing stopping them from invading the galaxy again. Since they exist in another universe, they are essentially untouchable by Starfleet until they come over to our universe. Their extra-universal origins seems pretty mysterious and unsettling to me.
That's the problem. They can't exist in our space without altering it first and since humans figured out how to reverse the effects in 22nd century they can't really just drop in unannounced and strike
the INTERDIMENSIONAL ALIENS were originally going to be FUTURE CHANGELINGS and the NX 01 ENTERPRISE was going to see a JEM HADAR ship entering a time wormhole at the end of the XINDI story arc
@@songyani3992 They have the ability to communicate with beings in our universe, since they used that to trick the Xindi into attacking Earth. And they also can clearly build the spheres here, or somehow transport them from their universe. So they could try again, perhaps setting up another sphere expanse outside of Federation/Klingon/Romulan borders where no species knows about their prior attempt. Hell, they could _already_ be doing that somewhere in the delta quadrant. Gamma quadrant's unlikely, the Founders would notice and put a stop to them and alpha & beta quadrants know about them already.
@@SirarkshellDiscovery and Strange New Worlds have both already mentioned it again. Idk I thought it was kinda neat as a fan of Enterprise myself. Definitely wasn’t the main appeal of that show though. The Xindi arc itself though was fantastic.
This video really made me aware of how much Picard leaned heavily on "There's a much worse threat coming but we have to stop it!" "What is it?" "No idea! No time to find out it's just something nebulous and easy to write!"
Honestly, the conduit was the best thing *about* season 2 of Picard. Its a mystery. Its *enormous,* for one, and something that damned *big* likely needs an incredible power source behind it, which means there's somebody out there with some truly *fearsome* technology. Tech even the Borg couldn't quite understand. My theory? Something was trying to brute force its way past the outer galactic barrier, trying to force its way into the Milky Way. The energy beam? I don't think that was even intended as an attack, it was just a byproduct of doing what amounts to punching thru subspace as hard as you possibly can. The Ori are friggin' coming, man.
That whole scene with the ships warping in to form the grid, their shields harmonizing and then holding against the aperture's energy ejections is freaking _incredible_ to watch. I go back and rewatch that scene pretty regularly, it's so fun. I also like how it showed us just how powerful ships' shields are. That was an insane amount of energy they held against, but they made it look easy. Sure, Jurati was coordinating, but she was using the shield technology already on the ships. Was also fun seeing the shields visibly.
I remember reading somewhere that the conduit was supposed to represent a tear in reality resulting from Q dying in normal space and not in the continuum, but then season 3 went in a completely different direction away from all that and now Q didn't actually die. I dunno, season 2 of Picard was almost harder to watch than season 4 of Discovery.
I really liked Silent Enemy on Enterprise, it was one of my favorite episodes of the first season. Season two of Picard left a huge question about that conduit. I have thought maybe the Kelvans are invading from Andromeda or maybe a nod to the Iconians.
I'm personally a fan of the version that the podcast, Starship excelsior suggests. Which they are a extra galactic species looking to control all sentient species
there's only 3 species of TRILL SYMBIONT HUMANOID SPOTS HUMANOID FOREHEAD the forehead version was supposed to show up on DS9 throughout the first 3 seasons but the producers didn't want fans to see they changed the makeup
Just my opinion: Schisms is one of the best TNG episodes in the entire series. Seeing the whole crew, even Data, affected by the clicking aliens is a riveting idea.
I've always thought the Transwarp Conduit was the Higher Synthetics from S1, probing the galaxy where the latest distress call suddenly went silent. I'd like to see more hints of them. Not enough purely mechanical lifeforms in Trek IMO.
Yeah, I figured they were going to tie in with the Control story from Discovery S2. Maybe even some type of Timey-Wimey Avengers style crossover that, unfortunately, never made past the initial teasing.
Disagree. I personally believe that something like that could be done only by the Ionians. After all Picard take place only a decade before of the events of Star Trek Online (though I personally do believe that game itself is a holodeck history novel comprising events from entire century). For reminder Iconians are from Andromeda Galaxy. As for robot squids from Picard S1. We actually do know some things about Machine Race/Federation. At least enough to think that they are The Federation from the future (what is not as weird as you may think, look Badgy), allied with T'Kon AI and Guardians of Forever. Who watch from shadow (subspace) they ancestors and judge them. V'ger, Control, Zora and possibly dozens others suspects like Edo God (take a note that probe what attack Discovery shuttle also has tentacles and Sphere do resemble Borg). Anyway, it is worth to point out a detail many people miss about this event. First of it was a beacon, not the portal. Entity should be still capable to enter even if it was destroyed, but it pull out when Starfleet entered. And now the interesting detail. We do know that planet was jammed and Picard enter it on Borg Cube, so he has no idea where it is. Yet Riker claim that they answer to subspace signal they though it was from Picard, even if we do know that planet was jammed before destruction of the beacon. But timing is important! Starfleet entered exactly when beacon was activated, but it would take them time to arrive. In short they were called by beacon! And here is also interesting subtheory. So Starfleet detection ability is comically accurate, yet they did not detect any anomaly. What if robot squids were actually a Federation mining drones? Take a note that scene take place century earlier (and BTW it explain design of Section 31 and also worth to mention that Synths do use same S31 ship design!): th-cam.com/video/rbiAzrav9Ow/w-d-xo.html
That'd also explain why they created the exit aperture where they did. They were _deliberately_ trying to wipe out the Federation as a threat to synthetic lifeforms.
@@ManabiLT Except they didn't. T'Kon Empire was destroyed by supernova (wink wink), because they attempted to size control of the subspace and by extend time. What lead to conflict with they own AI, who destroy them as threat to timeline. Which they were obligated to preserve in programming. One of points in the movie is that message was for machines, not humans. But humans read it thanks to Vulcan telepaty (bio-neuro-link?). So it was not warning, but actually explorations for the machines of nature of this conflict. So that synthetic life would replace organic over time and living being fear that. Whole point of golem was in fact that. Picard was the future of the Federation... in a sense. Beacon was only mean to call for help and ironically Starfleet was one of those who answer the call (planet was jammed and Picard didn't know where he is going). For reminder Control was an anomaly. It was a securyty protocol, what coincidentally fused with "alien" code from future and due to limited perspective read humanity as a threat. But for reminder Zora is actually the same entity as the Control, born from exact same code. Just it get different perspective what lead it to different conclusion. So it assimilated itself as part of the crew.
Weird thought on the conduit...it isn't an attack (as such), it's just another alien race building interstellar highways, and either not recognizing (or not caring) that there's already an established civilization at the other end.
I don't think they ever established who the aliens were from the TNG episode "Night Terrors". It's implied that this species wouldn't be a threat under normal conditions but we don't know for sure.
iirc the aliens weren't adversarial at all. weren't both their ship and the enterprise caught in some phenomenon and the aliens tried to communicate telepathically to save everyone, which accidently messed with everybody's sleep, making them paranoid and stuff? the episode was still pretty damn creepy, though, and i'd argue the fact that aliens were trying to help adds to that. imagine you're trapped with someone and can only get out by helping each other, but the only way they can talk to you drives you insane. it's a tragedy of cruel irony.
Bonnie-kin, Bonnie-kin....I see you. I prefer the origins of the Borg to be left a mystery. Anything we get in canon is going to horrifically disappoint. Let their backstory be the last part of their mystique that remains untouched.
At first, I thought the aliens on the Shrike were the same as the ones in Schisms, due to a similar means of communication with clicking sounds, but apparently not.
I knew there they were Changelings right away when Bev vaporized them and they turned into Ashe like that Founder Odo killed. And then Jack kept saying they kept “changing faces”
I just wondered why the ones on the Shrike never shapeshifted even after it was revealed that they were all changelings. Even Vedec only changed once to capture Riker.
I really enjoy this type of content! as you sometimes do other scifi series, the origin of the sandworms in Dune, or the one story with aliens from dune are both fascinating. Within Star Trek, I would ask "who is the chef from enterprise"?
There are the Transporter ghosts seen a few times. Similar to what Barkley saw when he though he had transporter psychosis. And Speaking of transporter Psychosis when were IT'S origins. We never got a case of it in Any other star Trek show. ENT and Hoshi's experience is the closest we ever came.
@@backupplan6058 was that episode also cut from syndication? I thought I had seen every TNG episode and only found out about that one over a decade later on Netflix.
After seeing Badgey use Rutherford's old implant to take over organics, my crackpot theory about the origin of the Borg is that the collective kinda started in a similar manner- a civilization developing lots of cybernetics to reach perfection was enslaved by an AI that they themselves had created
I think a cyberpunk origin for the Borg would be most likely going from a society like ours to something like 1984, to a full-blown annihilation war with few survivors creating first AI then merging with it.mavbe mix a bit Terminator and Matrix into it...
I like how Cryptic brought back the Elachi, Blue Gills, and others. I also like their inclusion of the Borg Cooperative during Delta Rising, and wonder where they are doing the current story.
They're on the other side of what had been Borg space, so far enough away that the Federation, probably, isn't anywhere near them without a shortcut like the Dyson Spheres from STO
I've allways believed that while the Borg are extremely dangerous ,there's one reason they haven't taken over everything. Something is holding them back. No not 8472 . Something that we haven't seen yet . There's ALWAYS something more dangerous...... (Cue ominous music)
@@topogigio7031 actually, I'm a gen X. I try to accept the fact that not everything mysterious will be solved in my lifetime . I have other things to REALLY worry about. I simply wonder about this one when my friends and I get talking .
I think the scariest thing we have ran into is the mechanical extra dimensional beings trying to get into this universe in the end of season 1 Picard. Im talking about those snake things that the androids were trying to connect with. It spooked all them Tal Shiar nuns so bad they killed themselves. Just like the movies Event Horizon and Screamers put together.
I do love how STO picked up many of these plots and were able to actually link them together. Obviously its only Beta canon but still really well done.
I think it's funny that Posers say STO isn't canon but Discovery is. Like, STO takes place in the Prime timeline, following every bit of detail we know of - while Discovery follows an alternate timeline created by the Time Wars during the events of Enterprise.
The Breen are still an enduring mystery. I also have a feeling that if the Dominion War had continued past “What You Leave Behind”, they would have not allowed the founders to subjugate them, per se. They definitely seem like they have unpredictable motives.
There's probably several theories, the one I've head is that the Q Continuum created it to protect our galaxy from what lies past it. It's not canon of course, but the Continuum does appear to have some sort of fascination with our galaxy and maybe cares about the life which resides in it.
I feel like nobody ever remembers the fact that the ENTIRE galaxy has been directly molded by The Founders. There IS a reason why all aliens look similar, it's not a meme. A race of aliens MADE Humans and guided us - they could definitely have the tech for a barrier
"The Q Continuum" novel trilogy gives a possible origin for it (obviously not canon, though). An entity named 0 (that's a zero, not an 'o') was introduced to this universe by a younger Q. When he brings in some cronies and starts causing trouble, the Q intervene, and after a fairly tough fight (yes, tough for the Q), they manage to subdue 0 and one of his cronies, while the other two run off (both would later be encountered by Kirk during the events of TOS). The galactic barriers were put up to contain the two who didn't run off, trapping The One in the galactic core (to be later encountered by Kirk in ST5) and 0 outside the galaxy, where he would be barred from the nearest shore by the barrier and millions of years' travel away from any other because he can't travel faster than light on his own.
yeah I do hope they actually use borgati/the transwarp conduit some day, it's a very logical fit for Legacy if that happens, unlike the others on this list that one was far more a plot hook than a mystery.
They could do a combo of _Voyager_ and _Enterprise's_ Xindi arc where they go through the conduit and are having to explore an area of space completely unknown to the Federation trying to find out who created the conduit and why. They'd be cut off from additional support, but could probably manage communications by dropping off subspace relays along the way. But then one or more gets destroyed, leaving them entirely on their own...
Here’s a thought; what if the conduit is an early Species 10-C encounter, and neither side will realize precisely what they’ve encountered until all those centuries later
I'm surprised that Nagilum from Where Silence Has Lease (TNG) wasn't mentioned. At the end of the episode an image of Nagilum appears to Picard in his ready room after seemingly leaving it's 'laboratory'. Now if it could appear outside its lab, who's to say that the entity didn't continue to monitor the Enterprise and her Crew for weeks, months or perhaps years after leaving the lab.
@@skillcoiler Okay, on the later ships (about Connie onwards) this might nothave been such a big issue. But tell that to the crews of the era of the Nx-01 and before... And I had the impression that ballistic weapons were banned due to their lethal nature - they simply don't hav a stun setting.
@@Timberwolf69 Well if you look at real world armories or hell even Star Trek ones you see they can be shoved in corners. You do not need a lot of space to have enough rifles and pistols along with some ammo, can replicate more ammo as needed, for 83 people.
The Bluegills were the original concept for what eventually became the Borg. It's probably a safe bet to say that the episode Conspiracy no longer has a place in the canonical timeline. That's a thing that happens and there's a decent number of TOS and TNG episodes that find themselves in the realm of "no longer canon."
I so desperately wanted the aliens from Schisms to be involved with Vadik's allies in ST:P. (The clicking-speech was triggering hehe) Such a fabulous one-off species.
Given that the 'threat' from Picard season 1 was a technological species just outside the galaxy waiting for the same to evolve inside the galaxy to call them and they'd come and kill all living things, so my money is on them building the big trans warp corridor. Picard seemed to drop all previous threads from season to season but what if they left bits behind in the overall plot? The Borg being a normal species that was overridden and lost to the tech they surrounded themselves with is a pretty good story if they remain completely obliterated by their creation. It feels very apt for the Borg. It does make me wonder if they were a species with a collective unconscious though, like the Unimatrix zero borg drones but that was how they lived normally. Have we run into a species in star trek that has a unconscious social life before? I think I remember something vaguely like that in Voyager or Next Gen?
I hate the idea of V'ger being related to the borg. I know there is an episode of Voyager where.. Seven? says that early borg history is fragmented and incomplete. Potentially the borg comes in waves, collapses and then rises up again. Their origin being far far far longer than ever thought. Another semi-spooky one is the Dyson sphere, since immense effort was put into its creation, but it was either never used or whoever builts it died out leaving an immense abandoned structure essentially full of countless dead bodies
V’ger being related to the Borg is literally impossible in every way. 1. Spock witnesses images of entire galaxies in V’ger’s memories and says, “Its knowledge has reached the limits of this universe and it must evolve.” This proves that V’ger explored the entire universe prior to returning to Earth. The Borg could barely make it out of the Delta Quadrant. 2. V’ger is infinitely more advanced than the Borg. V’ger is completely impervious to conventional weapons and uses plasma weapons that can digitize matter on contact. The Borg are still using primitive phasers and are constantly being blown up by Starfleet. V’ger has the ability to recreate lifeforms in every detail down to the molecular level. The Borg simply consume life. V’ger is thousands of times the size of a starship and produces an energy cloud that is 82 AUs in diameter. A Borg cube would look like an ant next to V’ger. 3. The Machine Race that enhanced Voyager 6 were entirely mechanical, with no organic components. They found Voyager 6 to be a kindred spirit and helped it along in its mission. The Borg do not consider mechanical lifeforms as like themselves. Locutus tells Data he’ll be “obsolete” when the Borg assimilate the Federation. You’re right that it makes Star Trek seem smaller, but it’s not only that. It’s like people don’t pay attention to literally anything in the movie / show when they spout this stupid theory.
I'm surprised that the automated repair station didn't make this list. There was no explanation given for who created it, and it was seen to be repairing itself after its assumed destruction at the end of the episode.
There was an explanation of the Borg origin from one of the William Shatner Star Trek books, which are suprisingly good, but I'm not sure how canon they are. In that book its revealed that the Borg started as an alien AI that gained sentience but went insane when it realised it was the only one of its kind in existence. And then it started assimilating its creators in an effort to end its own loneliness, and this became a compulsion as it basically became a Hegemonising Swarm.
hmmm - given our fascination with tech - like earbuds and the new nano tech coming along, all it might need is a nano-virus, something like the tech equivalent of COVID, and suddenly we are the Borg.......
I like the animation loop that makes the Alachi look like they are increasing the power level of their weapon up and up and up and up 5:01. But never fires it.
I think Nagillum falls into the "spooky mystery" category but there's a whole episode on him already. He's one of the creepier creatures in star trek imo
I think some of the biggest mysteries are (you've talked about the first before): - How Did Klingons Gain Warp? - Did Scotty Invent Transparent Aluminium? (Which caused a huge leap in tech) - If Janeway changed the timeline, the original timeline of Voyager's huge journey still took place would still exist. A future show dealing with this would've been great. - Why do the Breen hate us? (I know they don't breathe oxygen; I don't think this was ever dealt with) - The ghost that was in Beverly......did it "die"? (Last is a joke, LOL!)
“If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home, and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here! It's wondrous...with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid.” ― Q
Star Trek doesn’t do Classic Horror well, and if it tried, it would fall flat. Not because of incompetence on the part of whoever was hired to write it, but because the franchise doesn’t tend to attract people who fear the unknown. TOS set the tone of just setting out into unknown space to see what was out there and we went along eagerly. The outright Halloween episode Catspaw had nearly all of the standard tropes but none of them worked because viewers didn’t question the “superiority” of the characters’ rationalist worldview. The first movie, TMP, kinda tried to go for terror with the Ginge-esque design of Vger’s extended field “body” and its theme music, but I don’t know of anyone who found it especially scary. TNG tried hard for body horror in Conspiracy but again, rationalism won out. The Borg attempt both body and psychological horror in a way but again fall flat at least partly because we know that drones can be rehabilitated. At best, Trek can do “Horror Lite”.
On #4: I think an interesting twist might be the Voth from Voyager coming back to reclaim Earth and the alpha quadrant as their rightful home. They definitely have trans-warp tech and are presumably stronger and older than the borg
i always thought it was actually the "jurati" borg that came through that green transwarp gate ?!, that tried to say hello on the most terrifying way ^^ did i miss something?
i don't think we'll ever see a resolution to Picard season 2, the inter season consistency was limited outside of characters and even then... so the writers probably conpletely forgot about "Farewell" the moment the script was out of their hands
What about that one ship from ENT season 2 where energy beings were taking over various ships by swapping bodies with their crews? How many other ships did they replace?
A good one for me is the TOS androids and the “Old Ones” Rahk spoke of. I wonder if they might have anything to do with those lovecraftian synthetics from Picard season 1…
i like what STO is doing with the borg as of today since borg queens are aware and able to communicate each other through time and dimensions whos to say they arent strategizing with eachother for a favorable outcome for the borg hence the borg kingdom
Numbers 4 & 5 are both explained the STO. The clicking aliens are the Solnae and the bluegills are creatures created to infiltrate and take over a species. Both serve the Iconians...
What about the subspace „predator“ that wanted to eat Janeway‘s soul, or the Virus that used the falling girl memory?especially the later seemed interesting as it came from earth originally
It should be said with Star Trek there is an important point to if something is on screen enough, has enough examination and understanding, it becomes less frightening. I used to agree with others and think that this is bad. Maybe it makes the narrative sting of their power or their mystery or their threat feel less. But this is a GOOD thing in Star Trek. Star Trek is all about discovery, understanding and coming to new conclusions and realizations based on that new understanding. The fact that V'ger, Q, the Borg, or anything else that was once too mysterious or unknown became more and more known through exposure, episodes, discoveries made, is the point of the narrative I think. It should be embraced that we come to know these things more and more and that we do get answers. That's much like scientific progress itself. Besides, it can't eliminate 100% of the fears. Remember Barclay knew a transporter system inside and out, and it still scared him to death.
Being in the past an avid Star Trek fan with a love for Sci Fi. Ichanted the theme in readiness for the next episode, that was when I thought ;wouldn't it be cool if some mysterious unknown race emanated who were basically super advanced and had a mission to assimilate other races with an initial plan to kidnap Captain Picard. The rest is history, sts.
I was thinking of not the threats but, was wondering what happened to the nanites that became sentient? And when the Enterprise created a new life form and reproduced? Curious to know what happened with them as well?????
Think the episode where Janeway appears to die and meets her father but turns out to be something trying to feed on her death, we never learn what it really is or whether it only found in the delta quadrant
What about that "Repair Station" the NX-01 encontered?
The one that can repair itself even after being destoryed?
Was hoping for that to be number one. That was an awesome episode.
it was covered in the novels.
What did the novels say?
Alien tech, Romulans like to blow them up. Rick has a video on it.
@@Plasmacore_V The novels aren't canon, they're beta content. Nothing in them is canon until it shows up in the TV shows or movies. So that's just a _possible_ explanation.
The best Borg origin story I've seen is from Ressurected Starship where the Borg is the eventual outcome of any species that values unity and technological progress above all things, even over personal rights. They consider themselves less an organization than an inevitable philosophical and evolutionary outcome of all life and thus cannot be truly destroyed, just temporarily set back even when their current iteration is wiped out somehow as they will remanifest somewhere eventually.
I'd love to see a short horror story of a starfleet ship encountering a civilization on the cusp of embracing this borg-like nature only for the actual Borg to show up and assimilate these aliens without resistance.
Similar to the modern explanation for Doctor Who's Cybermen. Rather than a single entity with a singular origin, they are simply a natural failure state of human (or similar) populations that reach a certain level of technological advancement, often spurred on by worsening environmental conditions and social decay. Eventually people start cybernetically augmenting themselves to survive, and it progresses along similar lines from there.
@@JayStrang1I thought exactly the same so many parallels between the Borg and cybermen or even the daleks
Yes, this has always been my preferred concept of the Borg--that they have had many different origins, and whenever two versions of them meet they merge. They are basically the endgame of capitalism--everyone is a replaceable cog with no life beyond laboring, for which they receive no reward, all in the name of endless infinite expansion, endless consumption of more resources, the devastation of entire worlds by flying black industrial factory-office building hybrids full of cubicles.
@JenABlue-ed1bw
I prefer your interpretation to that of those who cast the struggle between the Federation and the Borg as being analogous to that between so-called freedom loving capitalists and collectivist communists. My own personal experience of capitalism has been very far from liberating, and much more de-individualising than such a perspective can account for. I was Locutus of McDonald's for a while, but now I am free, and very much in favour of libertarian socialism and it's worker cooperative model of business. Capitalism minus the parasites equals socialism. Simple.
@@NeilEvans-xq8ik Hi! Yeah, I'm somewhere in the left-libertarian, anarcho-socialist spectrum myself, so probably pretty close to you ideologically! And yeah, that take on the Federation and Borg has never made sense to me. The episode that INTRODUCED [the mysterious attacks on the Romulan border that would eventually turn out to be] the Borg made a huge deal out of how very NOT capitalist the Federation is--it's a post-scarcity socialist state! How do people claim THAT represents capitalism in this interpretation?
Schisms is one of the creepiest Trek episodes I've *ever* watched. And the holodeck scene where they're re-creating the surgical table from memory is 100% pure high-octane nightmare fuel.
That said, the infamous scene with the Bluegill queen, for lack of a better term, is probably the best Trek body horror we've ever gotten. Better even than the reveal of Locutus and the "de-evolution" episide. I have a bone to pick with that episode, however.
Completely agree with you about Schisms, that scene in the holodeck gives me chills, it was so beautifully done
Schisms…that episode gave me nightmares, being 5 years old the first time I watched it properly means it’s no surprise
I don't know why but I keep remembering some statement that they said the Bluegills were like what they originally wanted to make the Borg before switching directions and making the Borg cybernetic. The Bluegills were a hive race and the Borg were a hive race... Plus it's believed the Bluegills sent their message to the Delta Quadrant which is home of the Borg.
@@somebodykares1I've heard that too.
@@somebodykares1 yep the Borg were what we got when it came time to follow up on "Conspiracy" but the Bluegills had not been very well received. Also the they retroactively linked the destroyed border outposts mentioned in "The Neutral Zone" implying that the Borg had already been in the Beta Quadrant for some time hence why they showed up on the Federation's doorstep so soon after "Q Who?" (long before the transwarp conduits were ever thought of.)
This one is partially explained, but I think it's still worrying nonetheless, but I think that the Sphere Builders from Enterprise would make a good honorable mention on this list. Although their motivations are revealed we don't know enough about them to really understand them. Also, as far as I'm aware, there is nothing stopping them from invading the galaxy again. Since they exist in another universe, they are essentially untouchable by Starfleet until they come over to our universe. Their extra-universal origins seems pretty mysterious and unsettling to me.
That's the problem. They can't exist in our space without altering it first and since humans figured out how to reverse the effects in 22nd century they can't really just drop in unannounced and strike
the
INTERDIMENSIONAL ALIENS
were originally going to be
FUTURE CHANGELINGS
and the NX 01 ENTERPRISE
was going to see a
JEM HADAR ship
entering a time wormhole
at the end of the XINDI story arc
@@songyani3992 They have the ability to communicate with beings in our universe, since they used that to trick the Xindi into attacking Earth. And they also can clearly build the spheres here, or somehow transport them from their universe. So they could try again, perhaps setting up another sphere expanse outside of Federation/Klingon/Romulan borders where no species knows about their prior attempt.
Hell, they could _already_ be doing that somewhere in the delta quadrant. Gamma quadrant's unlikely, the Founders would notice and put a stop to them and alpha & beta quadrants know about them already.
I was a fan of Star Trek Enterprise, but please let us not revisit the temporal cold war story line again. 🙏
@@SirarkshellDiscovery and Strange New Worlds have both already mentioned it again. Idk I thought it was kinda neat as a fan of Enterprise myself. Definitely wasn’t the main appeal of that show though. The Xindi arc itself though was fantastic.
This video really made me aware of how much Picard leaned heavily on "There's a much worse threat coming but we have to stop it!" "What is it?" "No idea! No time to find out it's just something nebulous and easy to write!"
Voyager episode "Coda" -- the notion that this alien species visits people, routinely, as they die. "I've done this many times".
Honestly, the conduit was the best thing *about* season 2 of Picard. Its a mystery. Its *enormous,* for one, and something that damned *big* likely needs an incredible power source behind it, which means there's somebody out there with some truly *fearsome* technology. Tech even the Borg couldn't quite understand. My theory? Something was trying to brute force its way past the outer galactic barrier, trying to force its way into the Milky Way. The energy beam? I don't think that was even intended as an attack, it was just a byproduct of doing what amounts to punching thru subspace as hard as you possibly can.
The Ori are friggin' coming, man.
Eh, I'd think something more like the Magog or similar from other Roddenberry universes there...
" You *will* embrace Origin."
That whole scene with the ships warping in to form the grid, their shields harmonizing and then holding against the aperture's energy ejections is freaking _incredible_ to watch. I go back and rewatch that scene pretty regularly, it's so fun.
I also like how it showed us just how powerful ships' shields are. That was an insane amount of energy they held against, but they made it look easy. Sure, Jurati was coordinating, but she was using the shield technology already on the ships. Was also fun seeing the shields visibly.
I think it's the Kelvans
I remember reading somewhere that the conduit was supposed to represent a tear in reality resulting from Q dying in normal space and not in the continuum, but then season 3 went in a completely different direction away from all that and now Q didn't actually die. I dunno, season 2 of Picard was almost harder to watch than season 4 of Discovery.
I really liked Silent Enemy on Enterprise, it was one of my favorite episodes of the first season.
Season two of Picard left a huge question about that conduit. I have thought maybe the Kelvans are invading from Andromeda or maybe a nod to the Iconians.
Yea. Theyre just ...silent
I liked the non-canon explanation for the Bluegills being a rogue parasitic offshoot of the Trill.
I'm personally a fan of the version that the podcast, Starship excelsior suggests. Which they are a extra galactic species looking to control all sentient species
A mirror universe trill in the prime time-line?
there's only 3 species of
TRILL
SYMBIONT
HUMANOID SPOTS
HUMANOID FOREHEAD
the forehead version was
supposed to show up on
DS9 throughout the first
3 seasons but the producers
didn't want fans to see they
changed the makeup
BUG ALIENS
were originally going to
be the BORG
DARK SKIES series on NBC
used the concept of brain bugs
controlling people
@@andrewblanchard2398 Look up the Memory Beta listing for the Bluegills, dude. And perhaps understand what non-canon means.
I had nightmares for months after "Schism" aired. My brain would start hearing that clicking just as i was falling asleep
Just my opinion: Schisms is one of the best TNG episodes in the entire series. Seeing the whole crew, even Data, affected by the clicking aliens is a riveting idea.
I've always thought the Transwarp Conduit was the Higher Synthetics from S1, probing the galaxy where the latest distress call suddenly went silent.
I'd like to see more hints of them. Not enough purely mechanical lifeforms in Trek IMO.
Yeah, I figured they were going to tie in with the Control story from Discovery S2. Maybe even some type of Timey-Wimey Avengers style crossover that, unfortunately, never made past the initial teasing.
Disagree. I personally believe that something like that could be done only by the Ionians. After all Picard take place only a decade before of the events of Star Trek Online (though I personally do believe that game itself is a holodeck history novel comprising events from entire century). For reminder Iconians are from Andromeda Galaxy.
As for robot squids from Picard S1. We actually do know some things about Machine Race/Federation. At least enough to think that they are The Federation from the future (what is not as weird as you may think, look Badgy), allied with T'Kon AI and Guardians of Forever. Who watch from shadow (subspace) they ancestors and judge them. V'ger, Control, Zora and possibly dozens others suspects like Edo God (take a note that probe what attack Discovery shuttle also has tentacles and Sphere do resemble Borg).
Anyway, it is worth to point out a detail many people miss about this event. First of it was a beacon, not the portal. Entity should be still capable to enter even if it was destroyed, but it pull out when Starfleet entered. And now the interesting detail. We do know that planet was jammed and Picard enter it on Borg Cube, so he has no idea where it is. Yet Riker claim that they answer to subspace signal they though it was from Picard, even if we do know that planet was jammed before destruction of the beacon. But timing is important! Starfleet entered exactly when beacon was activated, but it would take them time to arrive. In short they were called by beacon!
And here is also interesting subtheory. So Starfleet detection ability is comically accurate, yet they did not detect any anomaly. What if robot squids were actually a Federation mining drones? Take a note that scene take place century earlier (and BTW it explain design of Section 31 and also worth to mention that Synths do use same S31 ship design!):
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That'd also explain why they created the exit aperture where they did. They were _deliberately_ trying to wipe out the Federation as a threat to synthetic lifeforms.
@@ManabiLT Except they didn't. T'Kon Empire was destroyed by supernova (wink wink), because they attempted to size control of the subspace and by extend time. What lead to conflict with they own AI, who destroy them as threat to timeline. Which they were obligated to preserve in programming. One of points in the movie is that message was for machines, not humans. But humans read it thanks to Vulcan telepaty (bio-neuro-link?). So it was not warning, but actually explorations for the machines of nature of this conflict. So that synthetic life would replace organic over time and living being fear that. Whole point of golem was in fact that. Picard was the future of the Federation... in a sense. Beacon was only mean to call for help and ironically Starfleet was one of those who answer the call (planet was jammed and Picard didn't know where he is going).
For reminder Control was an anomaly. It was a securyty protocol, what coincidentally fused with "alien" code from future and due to limited perspective read humanity as a threat. But for reminder Zora is actually the same entity as the Control, born from exact same code. Just it get different perspective what lead it to different conclusion. So it assimilated itself as part of the crew.
@@Stingmon21 Was it? BTW, that scene may be quite insightful:
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Weird thought on the conduit...it isn't an attack (as such), it's just another alien race building interstellar highways, and either not recognizing (or not caring) that there's already an established civilization at the other end.
Maybe it's the Vorgons putting in a transwarp bypass through the alpha quadrant.
I don't think they ever established who the aliens were from the TNG episode "Night Terrors". It's implied that this species wouldn't be a threat under normal conditions but we don't know for sure.
The Sickbay scene is still the creepiest single Trek scene.
iirc the aliens weren't adversarial at all. weren't both their ship and the enterprise caught in some phenomenon and the aliens tried to communicate telepathically to save everyone, which accidently messed with everybody's sleep, making them paranoid and stuff?
the episode was still pretty damn creepy, though, and i'd argue the fact that aliens were trying to help adds to that. imagine you're trapped with someone and can only get out by helping each other, but the only way they can talk to you drives you insane. it's a tragedy of cruel irony.
@@Spooglecraftit was not adversarial, just spooky.
NIGHT TERRORS
was going to have a conclusion
on a VOYAGER episode
KES
was the telepath talking to
DEANNA TROI
but that story was dropped
@@andrewblanchard2398 That would have actually been pretty cool!
Honorable mention to the automated repair station from Dead Stop. That shit was very creepy and never was resolved either.
Great haunted house in space.
The Elachi living in subspace is the most likely reason for Starfleet not having much data on them.
Bonnie-kin, Bonnie-kin....I see you. I prefer the origins of the Borg to be left a mystery. Anything we get in canon is going to horrifically disappoint. Let their backstory be the last part of their mystique that remains untouched.
I know it’s not canon but I always liked the Borg origin from the novel ‘Star Trek: Destiny’
I found it _insulting._
'Near-godlike race forces humans from the NX-02 into a hive mind and goes back in time'.
The _TOS MANGA_ did a better job.
Found Destiny an okay run.
Same here, have the whole set, is a great adventure.
@@housecoatgaming Seriously, why's everything gotta be humans?
I am sure a lot of the other species in Star Trek would find _that_ insulting, lol.
At first, I thought the aliens on the Shrike were the same as the ones in Schisms, due to a similar means of communication with clicking sounds, but apparently not.
I knew there they were Changelings right away when Bev vaporized them and they turned into Ashe like that Founder Odo killed. And then Jack kept saying they kept “changing faces”
Definitely a case of purposely throwing the audience off
I just wondered why the ones on the Shrike never shapeshifted even after it was revealed that they were all changelings. Even Vedec only changed once to capture Riker.
I really enjoy this type of content! as you sometimes do other scifi series, the origin of the sandworms in Dune, or the one story with aliens from dune are both fascinating. Within Star Trek, I would ask "who is the chef from enterprise"?
There are the Transporter ghosts seen a few times. Similar to what Barkley saw when he though he had transporter psychosis. And Speaking of transporter Psychosis when were IT'S origins. We never got a case of it in Any other star Trek show. ENT and Hoshi's experience is the closest we ever came.
That episode conspiracy scared the hell outa me as a young lad
How could you forget Beverley Crusher's candle ghost
We never talk about it, ever!
Funny enough in Star Trek Online that is the reward for this year Halloween campaign event going right now 😆
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@@backupplan6058 was that episode also cut from syndication? I thought I had seen every TNG episode and only found out about that one over a decade later on Netflix.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Redjac from "Wolf in the Fold." I wonder where it came from, and are there any more of them...?
I think it was born on Earth in primodial times and Kirk and Spock surmised it left Earth when Humanity discovered warp tech.
After seeing Badgey use Rutherford's old implant to take over organics, my crackpot theory about the origin of the Borg is that the collective kinda started in a similar manner- a civilization developing lots of cybernetics to reach perfection was enslaved by an AI that they themselves had created
Always in time with the Treaktertainment (that's a word now)Rick kudos.
6. The Whale Probe.
7. The Remote Repair Station from Enterprise
8. The Doomsday Machine.
The old "Rise of the Federation" novel series shows the origins of the "Silent Enemy" aliens in its first novel.
Yes, but the novels aren't canon content. Until an explanation shows up on screen, it's not canon.
I think a cyberpunk origin for the Borg would be most likely going from a society like ours to something like 1984, to a full-blown annihilation war with few survivors creating first AI then merging with it.mavbe mix a bit Terminator and Matrix into it...
I like how Cryptic brought back the Elachi, Blue Gills, and others. I also like their inclusion of the Borg Cooperative during Delta Rising, and wonder where they are doing the current story.
They're on the other side of what had been Borg space, so far enough away that the Federation, probably, isn't anywhere near them without a shortcut like the Dyson Spheres from STO
I've allways believed that while the Borg are extremely dangerous ,there's one reason they haven't taken over everything.
Something is holding them back.
No not 8472 .
Something that we haven't seen yet .
There's ALWAYS something more dangerous......
(Cue ominous music)
There's always a bigger fish.
@@daveh7720 Cue ominous music
The transcendental cosmic koala
Ah, you're a Zoomer. You'd rather have bad writing ignore an ending than have something truly satisfying
@@topogigio7031 actually, I'm a gen X. I try to accept the fact that not everything mysterious will be solved in my lifetime . I have other things to REALLY worry about. I simply wonder about this one when my friends and I get talking .
Just going to thank you again Rick for the informitive video
I think the scariest thing we have ran into is the mechanical extra dimensional beings trying to get into this universe in the end of season 1 Picard. Im talking about those snake things that the androids were trying to connect with. It spooked all them Tal Shiar nuns so bad they killed themselves. Just like the movies Event Horizon and Screamers put together.
I do love how STO picked up many of these plots and were able to actually link them together. Obviously its only Beta canon but still really well done.
I think it's funny that Posers say STO isn't canon but Discovery is. Like, STO takes place in the Prime timeline, following every bit of detail we know of - while Discovery follows an alternate timeline created by the Time Wars during the events of Enterprise.
The Breen are still an enduring mystery. I also have a feeling that if the Dominion War had continued past “What You Leave Behind”, they would have not allowed the founders to subjugate them, per se. They definitely seem like they have unpredictable motives.
Cool list! The creepier TNG episodes like Schisms are my favorite, I like it when they mix sci-fi with a bit of horror.
How about the Whale Probe from ST IV? Where's it from? Who built it? It's something very intriguing.
I always sort of assumed that whales made it. But, they're to Terran whales what the Battlestar Galactica civilization is to Earth.
Maybe it wasn't a probe but a living creature.
Fantastic vid!
Thanks mate!
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The Schisms being remind me of the Migo from Lovecraft, and why no mention of the galactic barrier and why it was built?
You forgot about the Galactic barrier. Who made it abd why is it there? Can it be that it is protecting, shieldig the galaxy from something big.
There's probably several theories, the one I've head is that the Q Continuum created it to protect our galaxy from what lies past it. It's not canon of course, but the Continuum does appear to have some sort of fascination with our galaxy and maybe cares about the life which resides in it.
I feel like nobody ever remembers the fact that the ENTIRE galaxy has been directly molded by The Founders. There IS a reason why all aliens look similar, it's not a meme. A race of aliens MADE Humans and guided us - they could definitely have the tech for a barrier
"The Q Continuum" novel trilogy gives a possible origin for it (obviously not canon, though). An entity named 0 (that's a zero, not an 'o') was introduced to this universe by a younger Q. When he brings in some cronies and starts causing trouble, the Q intervene, and after a fairly tough fight (yes, tough for the Q), they manage to subdue 0 and one of his cronies, while the other two run off (both would later be encountered by Kirk during the events of TOS). The galactic barriers were put up to contain the two who didn't run off, trapping The One in the galactic core (to be later encountered by Kirk in ST5) and 0 outside the galaxy, where he would be barred from the nearest shore by the barrier and millions of years' travel away from any other because he can't travel faster than light on his own.
@@topogigio7031 that wasn't The Founders, those aliens were even older than the Changelings.
yeah I do hope they actually use borgati/the transwarp conduit some day, it's a very logical fit for Legacy if that happens, unlike the others on this list that one was far more a plot hook than a mystery.
They could do a combo of _Voyager_ and _Enterprise's_ Xindi arc where they go through the conduit and are having to explore an area of space completely unknown to the Federation trying to find out who created the conduit and why.
They'd be cut off from additional support, but could probably manage communications by dropping off subspace relays along the way. But then one or more gets destroyed, leaving them entirely on their own...
Here’s a thought; what if the conduit is an early Species 10-C encounter, and neither side will realize precisely what they’ve encountered until all those centuries later
Ah ST Legacy,
Ty for mentioning it. :D
I haven't played that in forever, looks like I'm digging it out.
I'm surprised that Nagilum from Where Silence Has Lease (TNG) wasn't mentioned. At the end of the episode an image of Nagilum appears to Picard in his ready room after seemingly leaving it's 'laboratory'. Now if it could appear outside its lab, who's to say that the entity didn't continue to monitor the Enterprise and her Crew for weeks, months or perhaps years after leaving the lab.
Great episode, I always loved the horror suspense episodes and agree, what makes them scary is their lack of description.
"Fear is the true enemy. The only enemy."
-Riker
“Only fools are without fear”
-Worf
Drives me crazy when Federation energy weapons don’t work but they don’t switch ballistic weapons
They would have to replicate those and their ammo, as they don't have them in stock - takes up way too much space.
@@Timberwolf69 Well..... I would definitely take slightly less walking around space to being killed or assimilated... Maybe that is just me.
@@skillcoiler Okay, on the later ships (about Connie onwards) this might nothave been such a big issue. But tell that to the crews of the era of the Nx-01 and before...
And I had the impression that ballistic weapons were banned due to their lethal nature - they simply don't hav a stun setting.
@@Timberwolf69 Well if you look at real world armories or hell even Star Trek ones you see they can be shoved in corners. You do not need a lot of space to have enough rifles and pistols along with some ammo, can replicate more ammo as needed, for 83 people.
@@skillcoiler 83? If you're talking about the NX-01, as far as I am aware, they didn't have replicators, back then.
The Bluegills were the original concept for what eventually became the Borg. It's probably a safe bet to say that the episode Conspiracy no longer has a place in the canonical timeline. That's a thing that happens and there's a decent number of TOS and TNG episodes that find themselves in the realm of "no longer canon."
Great video I loved it
I so desperately wanted the aliens from Schisms to be involved with Vadik's allies in ST:P. (The clicking-speech was triggering hehe) Such a fabulous one-off species.
Given that the 'threat' from Picard season 1 was a technological species just outside the galaxy waiting for the same to evolve inside the galaxy to call them and they'd come and kill all living things, so my money is on them building the big trans warp corridor. Picard seemed to drop all previous threads from season to season but what if they left bits behind in the overall plot?
The Borg being a normal species that was overridden and lost to the tech they surrounded themselves with is a pretty good story if they remain completely obliterated by their creation. It feels very apt for the Borg.
It does make me wonder if they were a species with a collective unconscious though, like the Unimatrix zero borg drones but that was how they lived normally. Have we run into a species in star trek that has a unconscious social life before? I think I remember something vaguely like that in Voyager or Next Gen?
I fart in jars and send them to my boss he thinks It's Jimmy from the tech department
The super nova of the Romulan star may have been a Dominion revenge weapon.
I hate the idea of V'ger being related to the borg. I know there is an episode of Voyager where.. Seven? says that early borg history is fragmented and incomplete. Potentially the borg comes in waves, collapses and then rises up again. Their origin being far far far longer than ever thought.
Another semi-spooky one is the Dyson sphere, since immense effort was put into its creation, but it was either never used or whoever builts it died out leaving an immense abandoned structure essentially full of countless dead bodies
Agreed. It makes the universe seem small
V’ger being related to the Borg is literally impossible in every way.
1. Spock witnesses images of entire galaxies in V’ger’s memories and says, “Its knowledge has reached the limits of this universe and it must evolve.” This proves that V’ger explored the entire universe prior to returning to Earth. The Borg could barely make it out of the Delta Quadrant.
2. V’ger is infinitely more advanced than the Borg. V’ger is completely impervious to conventional weapons and uses plasma weapons that can digitize matter on contact. The Borg are still using primitive phasers and are constantly being blown up by Starfleet. V’ger has the ability to recreate lifeforms in every detail down to the molecular level. The Borg simply consume life. V’ger is thousands of times the size of a starship and produces an energy cloud that is 82 AUs in diameter. A Borg cube would look like an ant next to V’ger.
3. The Machine Race that enhanced Voyager 6 were entirely mechanical, with no organic components. They found Voyager 6 to be a kindred spirit and helped it along in its mission. The Borg do not consider mechanical lifeforms as like themselves. Locutus tells Data he’ll be “obsolete” when the Borg assimilate the Federation.
You’re right that it makes Star Trek seem smaller, but it’s not only that. It’s like people don’t pay attention to literally anything in the movie / show when they spout this stupid theory.
Even today, decades after I first saw it, Schisms still makes me uneasy
Destiny is my Borg headcanon
8:15 I call them the Borgati.
I'm surprised that the automated repair station didn't make this list. There was no explanation given for who created it, and it was seen to be repairing itself after its assumed destruction at the end of the episode.
Missed opportunity not ending with the soft
*beep beep beep*
From conspiracy.
There was an explanation of the Borg origin from one of the William Shatner Star Trek books, which are suprisingly good, but I'm not sure how canon they are. In that book its revealed that the Borg started as an alien AI that gained sentience but went insane when it realised it was the only one of its kind in existence. And then it started assimilating its creators in an effort to end its own loneliness, and this became a compulsion as it basically became a Hegemonising Swarm.
hmmm - given our fascination with tech - like earbuds and the new nano tech coming along, all it might need is a nano-virus, something like the tech equivalent of COVID, and suddenly we are the Borg.......
I like the animation loop that makes the Alachi look like they are increasing the power level of their weapon up and up and up and up 5:01. But never fires it.
Both comics and novels independently came up with the idea of 'objectors' in Solanae society. Those that disapproved of the experimentation.
As the Vorlons say, "Understanding is a three edged sword."
I think Nagillum falls into the "spooky mystery" category but there's a whole episode on him already. He's one of the creepier creatures in star trek imo
I think some of the biggest mysteries are (you've talked about the first before):
- How Did Klingons Gain Warp?
- Did Scotty Invent Transparent Aluminium? (Which caused a huge leap in tech)
- If Janeway changed the timeline, the original timeline of Voyager's huge journey still took place would still exist. A future show dealing with this would've been great.
- Why do the Breen hate us? (I know they don't breathe oxygen; I don't think this was ever dealt with)
- The ghost that was in Beverly......did it "die"? (Last is a joke, LOL!)
But what about the Space Koala?
You forgot about janways experience with her dad trying to get her to let go so the alien could feed off her life energy
I agree that the Borg origin should remain unknown. However, I do want to know who created the transwarp conduit that even the Borg fear.
While I do love Beta canon Borg origin stories, I will always prefer that their actual canon origin be unknown. It's part of their mystique
“If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home, and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here! It's wondrous...with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid.”
― Q
Sorry to have heard about Annie Wershing's passing. I did not really get into ST: Picard, but nonetheless am saddened to hear of her loss.
Star Trek doesn’t do Classic Horror well, and if it tried, it would fall flat. Not because of incompetence on the part of whoever was hired to write it, but because the franchise doesn’t tend to attract people who fear the unknown.
TOS set the tone of just setting out into unknown space to see what was out there and we went along eagerly. The outright Halloween episode Catspaw had nearly all of the standard tropes but none of them worked because viewers didn’t question the “superiority” of the characters’ rationalist worldview. The first movie, TMP, kinda tried to go for terror with the Ginge-esque design of Vger’s extended field “body” and its theme music, but I don’t know of anyone who found it especially scary. TNG tried hard for body horror in Conspiracy but again, rationalism won out. The Borg attempt both body and psychological horror in a way but again fall flat at least partly because we know that drones can be rehabilitated.
At best, Trek can do “Horror Lite”.
I love a Borg Origin explanation
On #4: I think an interesting twist might be the Voth from Voyager coming back to reclaim Earth and the alpha quadrant as their rightful home. They definitely have trans-warp tech and are presumably stronger and older than the borg
i always thought it was actually the "jurati" borg that came through that green transwarp gate ?!, that tried to say hello on the most terrifying way ^^ did i miss something?
rewatched, he meant the yellow strudelz that in the last episode then gets watched by borgati
The 2STar trek Excelsior" fan series brings an interresting origin for the bluegill aliens.
What about Star Trek enterprise automative ship repair yard that needed brains to increase its processing power.
i don't think we'll ever see a resolution to Picard season 2, the inter season consistency was limited outside of characters and even then... so the writers probably conpletely forgot about "Farewell" the moment the script was out of their hands
The transwarp conduit could be the sphere builders from the temporal cold war or another faction.
The borg adapt so quickly, they dont really have to be an old race.
What about that one ship from ENT season 2 where energy beings were taking over various ships by swapping bodies with their crews? How many other ships did they replace?
4:57 the elachi also have spore drives more advanced spore drives.
I would have gone with the parasite that feeds on people in their matrix and give them dying hallucinations
If we get Legacy, I'd love to see a continuation to the Transwarp tunnel mistery... Even more so as Seven is now a Captain...
4:45
It's the Cordecyps in space!!!
A good one for me is the TOS androids and the “Old Ones” Rahk spoke of. I wonder if they might have anything to do with those lovecraftian synthetics from Picard season 1…
i like what STO is doing with the borg as of today
since borg queens are aware and able to communicate each other through time and dimensions
whos to say they arent strategizing with eachother for a favorable outcome for the borg
hence the borg kingdom
Let's not forget...who build v'ger? The whale probe, nomad, the andromedans...
I'd like to think the Borg were created by accident by people who dabbled in nanotechnology, which they couldn't control
I'm still curious as to the origins of the doomsday machine and the space ameba (idk if I spelt that correctly lol) from The Immunity Syndrome.
Numbers 4 & 5 are both explained the STO. The clicking aliens are the Solnae and the bluegills are creatures created to infiltrate and take over a species. Both serve the Iconians...
Bonnie kin bonnie kin!
Another (perhaps related?) great mystery from Picard season 2: What did Q die of?
Love themed content from ppl in october
What about the subspace „predator“ that wanted to eat Janeway‘s soul, or the Virus that used the falling girl memory?especially the later seemed interesting as it came from earth originally
It should be said with Star Trek there is an important point to if something is on screen enough, has enough examination and understanding, it becomes less frightening. I used to agree with others and think that this is bad. Maybe it makes the narrative sting of their power or their mystery or their threat feel less. But this is a GOOD thing in Star Trek. Star Trek is all about discovery, understanding and coming to new conclusions and realizations based on that new understanding. The fact that V'ger, Q, the Borg, or anything else that was once too mysterious or unknown became more and more known through exposure, episodes, discoveries made, is the point of the narrative I think. It should be embraced that we come to know these things more and more and that we do get answers. That's much like scientific progress itself. Besides, it can't eliminate 100% of the fears. Remember Barclay knew a transporter system inside and out, and it still scared him to death.
Being in the past an avid Star Trek fan with a love for Sci Fi. Ichanted the theme in readiness for the next episode, that was when I thought ;wouldn't it be cool if some mysterious unknown race emanated who were basically super advanced and had a mission to assimilate other races with an initial plan to kidnap Captain Picard. The rest is history, sts.
I was thinking of not the threats but, was wondering what happened to the nanites that became sentient? And when the Enterprise created a new life form and reproduced? Curious to know what happened with them as well?????
So when are we getting new STOSS episodes?
Think the episode where Janeway appears to die and meets her father but turns out to be something trying to feed on her death, we never learn what it really is or whether it only found in the delta quadrant