Not the best test. Write speed outside SLC-cache will drop from ~8GiB/s to 1GiB/s. You should never test ssd performance using crystaldisk with default 1GiB test file.
Any suggestions as to what to do if the nvme drives are marked "New" instead of "Ready"? Can't seem to create an array with this. P.s. my SSD s are crucial nvme m.2 gen3 x4.
I went with 2x PCI 3 NVME in RAID0 on x570. You get better than non raided PCI 4 drive performance at much better price.They also don’t seem to have any speed fluctuations due to heat.
Not sure I agree with this test. Computer productivity is anything BUT sequential reading/writing (onto the HDD). This video claims you gain double the performance, but in reality RAID is one huge bottleneck. Only your Adobe benchmarks seems to explain anything, really. The improvements you gain are absolute minimal and really not worth the effort like those extra steps during windows setup. Just stick to one drive, please.
Curious… x570 with 3 drive slots. I wanna run top 2 in 0 with 990 pros and an old 970 evo plus in third. I know bottom 2 drives are board/chipset x4. I wonder if I could somehow get full speed on top two also while running gen 3 drive in bottom slot. I’m guessing no. I really wish there was option to cancel all sata ports or half of them to get a dedicated at least x2 pcie 4 in bottom slot so pcie 3 (970evo plus) could run at full speed…(pcie 3 x4 = pcie4x2 right? Any ideas? And what drives for what tasks optimally? Is it still important to keep OS and storage/games etc on dif drives? Makes sense to me to do OS and programs on bottom drive while keeping raid 0 setup for games and super fast storage etc. especially with games starting to optimize for faster drive speeds, aka direct storage..
I appreciate that your data allows me to draw additional information beyond what you set out to test. Once again, nicely done. I've got all my components and waiting on the 3950X. I'm using a 970 pro 1TB - your test results make me satisfied with my choice.
@Florian Oprescu That really sounds exciting. I was going to get the 3800X and then I just decided I'll go all out for 16 cores. I got the RX VEGA 64. What video card are you using?
@Florian Oprescu Thank you! I'm glad its boosting well. I've gone with trident z royal CL16 3200 MHz 8GB*4 for my RAM. I hope I don't have to tinker with the timings much.
So we can see that for game loading times, the raid 0 doesn't add any benefit compared to a regular gen 4 pcie drive. So the real question is if the drive isn't a bottleneck for game load times, what is the bottleneck now..
That would be amazing, but you'd also be hogging lanes meant for the GPU, at least on current X570 boards. It would make a bit more sense once the new TR4 boards come out.
@@frumpleydashbaggler1233 a GTX 1080 does not even hog a Pcie gen 3 x8 lane fully and is enough to run crystal disk mark. Use that in one of the gimped lanes and use direct to CPU gen 4 x16 lane for 4x gen 4 NVME RAID 0
@@9034833838 I think you mean the Prestige X570 Creation? But anyway, you're right. I didn't realize there was an X570 board out there with 2 x16 slots. All the Aorus boards I've seen are 16/8.
I'm using an MSI x570 Prestige with the PCi slots set at 8x and 4x4. Allowing me to use 3xadata sx8200 pro (gen3) drives in raid 0 all to the cpu. I'm getting better transfer rates (9517.7Mbs read). It costs less and I get more drive space.
"sometimes you spend a lot of money on the things you don't need but you want" - that's basically mantra of the #PCMasterRace... aaaand, one could argue also of the Macintosh cult :D
Putting aside those who buy Apple purely because the brand appeals, the cult is for OSX not Mac. If windows didn’t have the games it did I don’t think it would have anywhere near the fans it does.
I disagree with the notion that Raid 0 is less reliable. Though sector failures are more likely to break the system, this is negated by the fact that the drives are witting to half as much and further negated by the fact that doubling the size of a drive also doubles the reliability.
Exactly the point I made on a recent Reddit post. Obviously adding each drive increase hardware failures but halves use. Should at least counter it. And assuming 99% of drives make it to stated write specs dividing demand to two drives doubles reliability. So 2x2tb is same as 4tb. You either need to backup your drive or you don’t. Doesn’t change with raid 0. So it’s a dumb argument. Unless you plan on using the allocated drive slot for a backup drive. If you backup via cloud or external it’s a moot point.
2 SSD's on the chipset slots would be a viable RAID setup if they are PCIE 3.0, while still taking advantage of the cpu-chipset PCIE 4.0 lanes. However, given the sequential speed of these nvme's I don't really see a real benefit. I did raid together two classic HDD's together on my X570 giving me ~300MB/s speed copy from SSD to HDD, but gave it up since it slowed down my BIOS POST by about 10 seconds.
Would be interesting to know how long it took for Windows to install? That is a benchmark everyone can relate to and get a good idea of the speed against what they currently have.
i have tried it using a few different usb drives and if you use a fast (~100MB/s) usb drive vs a slow (~20MB/s) usb drive it does install faster with the faster drive, but its not worth spending a lot of money on a fast usb drive just for that purpose unless you are doing a lot of installs and then you should be doing network deployments/installs.
FINALLY found the info I needed. After wasting so much time listening to Buildzoid ramble on about capacitors for an hour. RAID 0 with the NVME 1 + NVME 2 slots is the way to go.
Its a good start, but not THE definitive test - which is 2x pcie 4 nvme, both using 4x true PCIE 4 lanes vs ~laggy chipset lanes. he is matching an unlike pair in raid 0, so the lowest speed of the pair prevails. Its very doable on the right mobos. it comes down to if u suffer downsides from an 8 lane gpu - which is probably not - especially if u have a pcie 4 gpu. this frees an 8 lane slot on some mobos, and this can be used for an adapter w/ 2 nvme ports. even a triple array of ~matched drives is doable including the onboard x570 primary nvme. a development just to hand, is that Phison seem to have done it again with the just announced E18 nvme controller - their former max reads were ~5.4GB/s, they will soon be ~7GB/s. a triple array as above, could yield 20GB/s.
4KQ1T1 read speed is pretty bad. Not completely terrible but its the kind of metric you actually feel on an OS drive. The sequential on the other hand, pretty good setup for storing large files like ISOs. VROC and Optane can get over 200MB/s 4KQ1T1 read even in 4 way RAID so that would make for a much better OS drive setup.
@@vegajf51 You can but you lose VROC. Its not a huge difference but you get better performance on an Intel board and VROC also gets faster with CPU clock speed so a 5.0 ghz Intel CPU will have significantly better VROC performance than AMD RAID. Consumer Optane might be dead. Intel canceled both the upcoming 815P drive and M15 drives. AMD's new CPUs have put so much pressure on Intel that I think Intel is pulling resources to concentrate on next gen CPUs.
Another excellent video :D My only question is about the RAID 0 config and the chipset power usage, I know that you will be bottlenecked by doing so, but what effect does running the PCIe 4 drives in RAID 0 with both drives attached to the chipset have on the chipset power consumption.? Surely the "15W" power mystery and the chipset fans had to have come from somewhere... Please keep up your great work :D
Yeah, you said it, it doesn't make sense but.... Lot's of stuff makes no sense but when you're a hardware addict you just got to have it... Myself included :D
Didn't spent money on the 1TB samsung drive, because it don't beneficial from ads... Spent money to get an Extreme Xeon + mobo... Because exculisivity...
After configuring the 2 PCIe 4.0 SSDs in RAID 0 in the BIOS using say, an X570 Gigabyte Aorus motherboard, do you still have to install raid drivers right before installing Windows 10?
please do this with 4x Firecuda 530 NVME ... PCIeX16 adapter ... with a Asus TUF X570 WiFi gaming 😜👍 maybe there is a sponsor for doing this ... this would be funny ...
It’s funny that you compare different Gen4 drives, because they all are the same thing, and actually are all made by Phison entirely. Corsair MP600, Gigabyte Aorus NVMe Gen4, Patriot Viper VP4100 and other currently available Gen4 SSDs all use same Phison PS5016-E16 controller and the same Toshiba 96-layer 512-Gbit TLC 3D NAND (BiCS4) memory chips. The only difference between them are applied cooling solutions.
I thank you so much for this video. I spent hours trying to configure my raid. I could not find the info anywhere. I tip my hat to you sir. This was the best video on raid and the x570 anywhere.
Anyone have issues doing raid 0 on x570? I have two 1tb sn750 black. I can boot windows but the system freezes randomly. I used the latest AMD raid drivers. Windows doesn't have this issue when I use a regular SSD. I also tried a software raid on Linux doing raid 0 with mdam. It works perfectly in Linux. Windows seems to be causing the issue. Any ideas?
LMAO. He complained about the cost of getting in a new 980 Pro NVME drive to test and at the end pulls out a crazy elitist motherboard for Xeon with RAM fully stacked out. OMFG
The failure rate rises linearly with drives NOT exponentially!! Exponential increases in failure would make RAID 10 rather painful rather than the excellent performance/reliability choice as for a company, the disk drives themselves are a small part of the costs.
Hello i have a dark hero mob with 5900x and i installed 2 980pro 2TB and i can t make raid 0 the drives appear new instead of ready! I tried everything i need some help if anyone know how can i turn them ready please help!!!
Actually config is useless.. i just installed windows on m.2 pci 3 ... and cfg is not even recognized as valid driver. (on the latest bios for my mb it was, but there it didn't worked for ,me)
I just got two gen 4 wd black 7000mb sec drives and raid 0 them to 1tb instead of just getting a 1tb drive. Worth it 10000%.Near the same exact price of just 1 tb drive
Star Citizen loading times depend on how busy is server to which you are connecting, not how fast your cpu or ssd, at list until server meshing will be done.
Awesome video! :) Thanks for all the hard work! Just one note, the failure rate does not grow exponentially. It grows quite linearly with each drive. Exponential change is usually catastrophic :)
@@TheBackyardChemist Correct, because a failure in one means a loss of data for all for RAID 0. The other drives themselves aren't failed of course, but from the point of the DATA, the fail rate is indeed multiplied due to this. (from the POV of the drives, it is linear... but we care about the data)
Want more speed? Build a system using a Store.mi setup using a Commercial version,dedicate at least 64+Gb of ram and a fast 1 or 2 Tb nvme SSD tiered in Fusedrive setup. Tried it,with 970 EVO plus's,dual AData SX 8200pro 512Gb,fast benchmarks ? Yes,but near zero increase in game loads.... What got me super fast load times ,beyond my nvme 3.0 4x drives,was creating a Fusedrive of 64Gb of DDR4 3200 4x16gb plus a 2Tb SX 8200pro nvme PCI 3.0 4x. Went from 12 to 30 second game loads on my nvme's, to 1 or 2 second load times! Imagine running Deus Ex Mankind Devided level loads,in a second.Blows my PCIe 4.0 Asus TUF X570 mobo away.
@@mr.br4dga279 Not going to bother really. I am planning to build a whole new PC with 1TB NVMe drives and 6TB mechanical storage around xmas or when ever big Navi comes out, hopefully around then. At this stage everything in my PC is junk except for the water cooling which is passive and has been flawless since 04. GPU and CPU are from 2014/15 though so its a mishmash of retro and modernish hardware.
@@mr.br4dga279 well I'm getting the 3900x so lottery isn't an issue. Not sure on what Radeon has to offer around xmas, hopefully 5800/5900XT? got everything else planned like O11 dynamic, twin? maybe? 360 rads from hardwarelabs and heatkiller blocks (want to try internal WC this time as my loop is a massive 1m high heatsink tower that's external) trident Z non rgb 3733 CL16 kit with dram calc tweaks. MSI x470 gaming M7 (allows me to run win 7 with 3rd gen ryzen for legacy support). Might upgrade my speakers to swan ones as my logitec x230 from over a decade ago is holding back my Xonar phoebus card, the one part i will be keeping from my old rig :) I just ordered the monitor LG 32GK650F and should arrive by the weekend, my current one is a 20" AOC from 2008 lol
Жесть. Нифига не понимаю по английски. Но похоже работает RAID 0 с nvme на PCI-E 4.0. В два раза быстрее. И пофиг что-что будет стоить около 20к рублей. Я изучаю эту тему, хочу на 50 % сократить загрузку виндовс 10. C 15 до 7 например.
So in this video he had a GPU on the first PCIe slot, one NVMe drive on the CPU, another on the chipset? That means the PCIe config became 8x, 4x, 4x? Could he have done it with a GPU on the first PCIe slot and an M.2 to PCIe adapter on the second slot with this last slot bifurcated to 8x,8x over the BIOS?
I can see running raid 0 or 1 on the chipset with a Gigabyte Master or such that has 3 m.2. slots. Put a gen 4 ssd on the cpu's m.2 for main drive and 2 gen 3 on the chipset m.2. this would give you another drive letter instead of 2 and you use up those older ssds you may have sitting around and give them the same performance of the gen 4. Two good gen 3 wouldn't saturate the chipset 4x bandwidth.
I set up a raid 0 on 2 256GB drives. Mostly so I can have 500GB of main storage. I bought a 256 Samsung 960 Evo when I built my PC then just recently I bought a 256 WD PCIe 3.0 drive for $30. So my speed didn't change much, if anything it is slightly better but I also have double the storage. I am also running it on a X370 ASRock Taichi.
LOW COST TEST - Would you consider RAID 0 a NVMe 0 to CPU and NVMe 1 on PCI 16 Card (which should talk directly to CPU). The PCI 16 cards are available for $10 us or less. Then you would have full speed RAID... I know it would cut the Video card throughput in half YET I believe (love to see :-)) it won't effect real world video performance. AND 25% to 30% performance gain on SSD's
Stupid question.. Anyone know if there's any X570 MBs out there that support all the M.2 NVMes to use the CPU lanes (not the chipset) AND the bottom 2 could be configured into RAID 0 ? Possible with any MB? Or would need a PCIe m.2 expansion board?
I know nothing... Happen to be reading the Asus RAID manual while watching and for Strip Size they recomend it based on the RAID configuration chose - RAID 0 - 128KB, RAID 10 - 5KB, RAID 5 - 64KB. For what its worth - hope that helps someone.
@der8auer Roman, that rumor about high power for PCIe4 SSD's probably comes from that chipsetfan and the exotic cooling on those Gigabyte SSD's. Given the low differences which you have shown it became even more clear how ridiculous it is that the motherboard-companies don't use better passive cooling to avoid having that horrible chipsetfan. A simple thin copper/aluminium pipe ending on some fins where the case-fan blows wind over should suffice, right? Quesiton. Could you figure out why games don't load faster on faster SSD's? Are the RAM and the memory on the graphics card the problem?
Nice video ! Someones knows how to create a raid 0 with this chipset x570 amd? I have correctly installed Raid's drivers on windows , but impossible to find the bios's menu to create a raid 0 with 2 HDD 1to. I just activate RAID instead of AHCI .
Roman, one thing I'd like to point out, statistic outlying failures don't matter in SSD NAND as much as they do with HDDs. HDDs are going to fail, it is expected for them to fail within 3-5 years if used in any kind of RAID configuration due to the motor driver boards in them being scaled so much towards cost reduction, that the components are junk now.
Just about to put in 4x samsung EVO 970's in a control card in the Cpu North bridge slot and the Gpu in the south slot and I'm wondering if 4 of them run at raid 0 at 3.0 is as fast as 4.0 at raid 0 with windows boot and Starcraft 2 and Dota 2 and AOE2?
i just did raid 0 on the new sn850 and the numbers are good until you do ATTO benchmarks, you'll see how much the numbers fluctuate around so much, and on some numbers it's very bad.
I think the best arrangement is on a board that allows x8 x8 on CPU slots and has one x4 m.2 slot for the cpu natively onboard. Use a PCIe riser card and bifurcate the slot with 2 drives and have one on mainboard for a 3 drive array.
i know this is way late but would it have any benefit if one were to put a 1 tb gen 4 on cpu and 2 gen 3 on the chipset would that increase the preformance of the gen3 drives i dont think youll see this anyways just a thought
That power consumption rumor probably comes from CPU or GPU intensive loads that are bottle-necked on storage. When they move to striped raid the "neck" gets wider and their CPU or GPU get to make more heat.
So, please, for RAID0 in an Aorus Master x570 you want to use the two PCIE 4.0 slots connected to the chipset and leave the one closer and connected to the CPU unraided. That is the best configuration, right? Also: can you have two RAID0 arrays, one composed of two nvme M2 SSDs and another composed of two 7200RPM HDDs? Does the chipset supports it, no problem for sure? Thank you so much for the help, appreciated
Roman, I admire you for making each video twice in separate languages - it must be A LOT of work! Props to you for pulling this off!
easier and better than dubbing or subbing
@@chapstickbomber not so sure about that
@@call_me_stan5887 Better, but almost certainly not easier haha
@@mduckernz That's what I'd expect. After all - it must be a pain.
His name is Roman? Talk about the Holy Roman Empire...
I was expecting you to have your nails red... Disappointed...
And maybe some eye shadow... and dye his hair red?...
Oof... This isn't LTT lol...
@@MarcABrown-tt1fp I love it when Linus randomly has his nails done while filming a video. Always makes me think, what's the story behind that :P
Me too !!!! LOL
@@DarkKitarist he has a young daughter. It's not hard to imagine the story there.
Not the best test. Write speed outside SLC-cache will drop from ~8GiB/s to 1GiB/s. You should never test ssd performance using crystaldisk with default 1GiB test file.
Any suggestions as to what to do if the nvme drives are marked "New" instead of "Ready"?
Can't seem to create an array with this.
P.s. my SSD s are crucial nvme m.2 gen3 x4.
bro you deserve so much more subs , credit and respect. you make videos in german and english. just for your fans. thats insanely respectable.
Next is to but an Epyc 7742 and the Daytona motherboard that comes with. But that is probably more than 5000€!!!
I went with 2x PCI 3 NVME in RAID0 on x570. You get better than non raided PCI 4 drive performance at much better price.They also don’t seem to have any speed fluctuations due to heat.
Not sure I agree with this test. Computer productivity is anything BUT sequential reading/writing (onto the HDD). This video claims you gain double the performance, but in reality RAID is one huge bottleneck. Only your Adobe benchmarks seems to explain anything, really. The improvements you gain are absolute minimal and really not worth the effort like those extra steps during windows setup. Just stick to one drive, please.
Well that's also my conclusion in the end, no?
Thank you for making videos in English! And, as always another informative and interesting video.
Curious… x570 with 3 drive slots. I wanna run top 2 in 0 with 990 pros and an old 970 evo plus in third. I know bottom 2 drives are board/chipset x4. I wonder if I could somehow get full speed on top two also while running gen 3 drive in bottom slot. I’m guessing no. I really wish there was option to cancel all sata ports or half of them to get a dedicated at least x2 pcie 4 in bottom slot so pcie 3 (970evo plus) could run at full speed…(pcie 3 x4 = pcie4x2 right? Any ideas? And what drives for what tasks optimally? Is it still important to keep OS and storage/games etc on dif drives? Makes sense to me to do OS and programs on bottom drive while keeping raid 0 setup for games and super fast storage etc. especially with games starting to optimize for faster drive speeds, aka direct storage..
I appreciate that your data allows me to draw additional information beyond what you set out to test. Once again, nicely done. I've got all my components and waiting on the 3950X. I'm using a 970 pro 1TB - your test results make me satisfied with my choice.
@Florian Oprescu Great!
I already got my 970 pro so I'm simply waiting to buy my CPU. And my chasis; Lian Li Lancool II.
@Florian Oprescu That really sounds exciting. I was going to get the 3800X and then I just decided I'll go all out for 16 cores. I got the RX VEGA 64. What video card are you using?
@Florian Oprescu 👍😁
Sounds like an awesome build!
@Florian Oprescu Thank you! I'm glad its boosting well. I've gone with trident z royal CL16 3200 MHz 8GB*4 for my RAM. I hope I don't have to tinker with the timings much.
@Florian Oprescu Perfect! Well have fun with your build! Thanks!
Is it possible to make an all major motherboard settings walk through? I always wonder what each of the settings in motherboard does...
Thanks for this I was having issues getting raid going on my new asus x570 board this helped tremendously.
So we can see that for game loading times, the raid 0 doesn't add any benefit compared to a regular gen 4 pcie drive.
So the real question is if the drive isn't a bottleneck for game load times, what is the bottleneck now..
Application parallelization ie blocking threads
Put in 4x NVME drives in one Pciex16 gen4 with those RAID Cards. Put that in RAID0. UNLIMITED POWAAHH
That would be amazing, but you'd also be hogging lanes meant for the GPU, at least on current X570 boards. It would make a bit more sense once the new TR4 boards come out.
@@frumpleydashbaggler1233 a GTX 1080 does not even hog a Pcie gen 3 x8 lane fully and is enough to run crystal disk mark. Use that in one of the gimped lanes and use direct to CPU gen 4 x16 lane for 4x gen 4 NVME RAID 0
@@9034833838 Do you have a specific board in mind for that config? Now I'm curious.
@@frumpleydashbaggler1233 Aorus X570 creation. 4x RAID 0 8 TB Gen4 NVME would be like 50% of RAM Speed. That's actual power.
@@9034833838 I think you mean the Prestige X570 Creation? But anyway, you're right. I didn't realize there was an X570 board out there with 2 x16 slots. All the Aorus boards I've seen are 16/8.
That shade of nail polish suits you perfectly :D :D :D
You didn't do enough professional work benchmarks. Don't speak about them if you have no data.
I'm using an MSI x570 Prestige with the PCi slots set at 8x and 4x4. Allowing me to use 3xadata sx8200 pro (gen3) drives in raid 0 all to the cpu. I'm getting better transfer rates (9517.7Mbs read). It costs less and I get more drive space.
Hey thats pretty good well done my friend I will keep that in mind for my next build hehe
"you should avoid doing 30 sequential" you smiled.. like you just did it :D thanks for the tip :)
"sometimes you spend a lot of money on the things you don't need but you want" - that's basically mantra of the #PCMasterRace... aaaand, one could argue also of the Macintosh cult :D
Putting aside those who buy Apple purely because the brand appeals, the cult is for OSX not Mac. If windows didn’t have the games it did I don’t think it would have anywhere near the fans it does.
R4E owner here, still my daily for nearly what 7 years?, was WAY too expensive... but i wanted it
You need to test raid 1 without windows installed to know the real performance. 3 ssd: 1 for windows, 2 nvme in raid 0
Better yetl, use a Linux CD to run the OS purely in RAM and then run
the performance tests.
Thats ddr3 bandwidth !
not latency
@@rogueanuerz true but they did say bandwidth sooo...
I disagree with the notion that Raid 0 is less reliable. Though sector failures are more likely to break the system, this is negated by the fact that the drives are witting to half as much and further negated by the fact that doubling the size of a drive also doubles the reliability.
Exactly the point I made on a recent Reddit post. Obviously adding each drive increase hardware failures but halves use. Should at least counter it. And assuming 99% of drives make it to stated write specs dividing demand to two drives doubles reliability. So 2x2tb is same as 4tb. You either need to backup your drive or you don’t. Doesn’t change with raid 0. So it’s a dumb argument. Unless you plan on using the allocated drive slot for a backup drive. If you backup via cloud or external it’s a moot point.
2 SSD's on the chipset slots would be a viable RAID setup if they are PCIE 3.0, while still taking advantage of the cpu-chipset PCIE 4.0 lanes. However, given the sequential speed of these nvme's I don't really see a real benefit. I did raid together two classic HDD's together on my X570 giving me ~300MB/s speed copy from SSD to HDD, but gave it up since it slowed down my BIOS POST by about 10 seconds.
Would be interesting to know how long it took for Windows to install? That is a benchmark everyone can relate to and get a good idea of the speed against what they currently have.
AFAIK it should be limited by how fast the installation USB drive is
Maybe even a windows update benchmark
i have tried it using a few different usb drives and if you use a fast (~100MB/s) usb drive vs a slow (~20MB/s) usb drive it does install faster with the faster drive, but its not worth spending a lot of money on a fast usb drive just for that purpose unless you are doing a lot of installs and then you should be doing network deployments/installs.
@@kendokaaa and the CPU as well since windows is decompressing and creating the registry tree and other CPU related stuff.
@@marsovac Oh for sure, but since we're talking storage on a single system you wouldn't be changing the CPU
FINALLY found the info I needed. After wasting so much time listening to Buildzoid ramble on about capacitors for an hour.
RAID 0 with the NVME 1 + NVME 2 slots is the way to go.
Its a good start, but not THE definitive test - which is 2x pcie 4 nvme, both using 4x true PCIE 4 lanes vs ~laggy chipset lanes.
he is matching an unlike pair in raid 0, so the lowest speed of the pair prevails.
Its very doable on the right mobos.
it comes down to if u suffer downsides from an 8 lane gpu - which is probably not - especially if u have a pcie 4 gpu.
this frees an 8 lane slot on some mobos, and this can be used for an adapter w/ 2 nvme ports.
even a triple array of ~matched drives is doable including the onboard x570 primary nvme.
a development just to hand, is that Phison seem to have done it again with the just announced E18 nvme controller - their former max reads were ~5.4GB/s, they will soon be ~7GB/s.
a triple array as above, could yield 20GB/s.
I would never install Windows on RAID in real life. Any change to RAID array may cause a lot of headache. Keep Windows on separate M2 always.
4KQ1T1 read speed is pretty bad. Not completely terrible but its the kind of metric you actually feel on an OS drive. The sequential on the other hand, pretty good setup for storing large files like ISOs.
VROC and Optane can get over 200MB/s 4KQ1T1 read even in 4 way RAID so that would make for a much better OS drive setup.
You can raid Optane on amd boards also, intel needs to launch a Gen 4 optane drive
@@vegajf51 You can but you lose VROC. Its not a huge difference but you get better performance on an Intel board and VROC also gets faster with CPU clock speed so a 5.0 ghz Intel CPU will have significantly better VROC performance than AMD RAID.
Consumer Optane might be dead. Intel canceled both the upcoming 815P drive and M15 drives. AMD's new CPUs have put so much pressure on Intel that I think Intel is pulling resources to concentrate on next gen CPUs.
Is this what next gen PlayStation and Xbox are using for their storage devices making their claim on no loading or way faster loading times?
for a german his english is very good
Another excellent video :D My only question is about the RAID 0 config and the chipset power usage, I know that you will be bottlenecked by doing so, but what effect does running the PCIe 4 drives in RAID 0 with both drives attached to the chipset have on the chipset power consumption.? Surely the "15W" power mystery and the chipset fans had to have come from somewhere...
Please keep up your great work :D
Yeah, you said it, it doesn't make sense but.... Lot's of stuff makes no sense but when you're a hardware addict you just got to have it... Myself included :D
Nah that's just your consumerist mindset.
Didn't spent money on the 1TB samsung drive, because it don't beneficial from ads...
Spent money to get an Extreme Xeon + mobo... Because exculisivity...
Seq isnt realworld important usage 4K blocks tells how well drive is performing.. hi Roman
You could do what I did and completely saturated a 16 lane gen4 slot and go at 28.8 GB sec seq read.
How
After configuring the 2 PCIe 4.0 SSDs in RAID 0 in the BIOS using say, an X570 Gigabyte Aorus motherboard, do you still have to install raid drivers right before installing Windows 10?
please do this with 4x Firecuda 530 NVME ...
PCIeX16 adapter ... with a Asus TUF X570 WiFi gaming 😜👍 maybe there is a sponsor for doing this ... this would be funny ...
It’s funny that you compare different Gen4 drives, because they all are the same thing, and actually are all made by Phison entirely.
Corsair MP600, Gigabyte Aorus NVMe Gen4, Patriot Viper VP4100 and other currently available Gen4 SSDs all use same Phison PS5016-E16 controller and the same Toshiba 96-layer 512-Gbit TLC 3D NAND (BiCS4) memory chips. The only difference between them are applied cooling solutions.
I thank you so much for this video. I spent hours trying to configure my raid. I could not find the info anywhere. I tip my hat to you sir. This was the best video on raid and the x570 anywhere.
Anyone have issues doing raid 0 on x570? I have two 1tb sn750 black. I can boot windows but the system freezes randomly. I used the latest AMD raid drivers. Windows doesn't have this issue when I use a regular SSD. I also tried a software raid on Linux doing raid 0 with mdam. It works perfectly in Linux. Windows seems to be causing the issue. Any ideas?
Madness, this is madness !... No, this is SAT... sorry, I mean: This is NVME 4.0 RAAAAAAAAAAID 0 !
*Leonidas screaming pic*
Hi Der, can I raid 0 two different brands of NVMe drives like 256gb Patriot VPN100 and 256gb Adata XPG SX8200 Pro on MSI X570 Tomahawk motherboard?
LMAO. He complained about the cost of getting in a new 980 Pro NVME drive to test and at the end pulls out a crazy elitist motherboard for Xeon with RAM fully stacked out. OMFG
The failure rate rises linearly with drives NOT exponentially!!
Exponential increases in failure would make RAID 10 rather painful rather than the excellent performance/reliability choice as for a company, the disk drives themselves are a small part of the costs.
Hey yo jimmy neutron, when did you start doing tech reviews?
Hello i have a dark hero mob with 5900x and i installed 2 980pro 2TB and i can t make raid 0 the drives appear new instead of ready! I tried everything i need some help if anyone know how can i turn them ready please help!!!
Hi. I want to make RAID 1 on Asus M5A97 LE R2, but one HDD already has the OS installed. How to make the RAID without losing my OS?
Actually config is useless.. i just installed windows on m.2 pci 3 ... and cfg is not even recognized as valid driver. (on the latest bios for my mb it was, but there it didn't worked for ,me)
I just got two gen 4 wd black 7000mb sec drives and raid 0 them to 1tb instead of just getting a 1tb drive.
Worth it 10000%.Near the same exact price of just 1 tb drive
Just got an EVO Plus 1TB and getting 3,500 read 3,500 write. loving it.
Good price for what it is too, good choice
HUGE TIP: remove the usb with the RAID drivers after installing them for the windows install. I wasted hours on this.
wasn't the Starcityzen the perfect game to test loading behavior?
Star Citizen loading times depend on how busy is server to which you are connecting, not how fast your cpu or ssd, at list until server meshing will be done.
following your instruction step by step and i end up finding i need to fuking download a raid drive after i already fuking formatted my window? WTF?
i got a raid 0 with 2 MP600 corsair 15000 Mo \s with RAM CACHE 3 it s boost the raid 0 :D on ASUS X570
ill take the 2second load time in games lol and i want 4tb raid0 so ya wd raid0 2tb = 4 it is
Awesome video! :) Thanks for all the hard work!
Just one note, the failure rate does not grow exponentially. It grows quite linearly with each drive. Exponential change is usually catastrophic :)
I dont think it is linear, since any of the drives could fail, and probabilities typically multiply each other.
@@TheBackyardChemist Correct, because a failure in one means a loss of data for all for RAID 0. The other drives themselves aren't failed of course, but from the point of the DATA, the fail rate is indeed multiplied due to this. (from the POV of the drives, it is linear... but we care about the data)
How can you see your raid 0 in windows if you are not re installing how can you update the drivers to recognise this new raid inside windows?
3:40 Why one of my disks has a state "new" instead of "ready"? And "raid 0" option is missing?!
i am getting 6600 read but only 5100 writes, why are my writes slower?
i am watching because of the red nail.
Wonder what this does to project build times.
Want more speed? Build a system using a Store.mi setup using a Commercial version,dedicate at least 64+Gb of ram and a fast 1 or 2 Tb nvme SSD tiered in Fusedrive setup. Tried it,with 970 EVO plus's,dual AData SX 8200pro 512Gb,fast benchmarks ? Yes,but near zero increase in game loads.... What got me super fast load times ,beyond my nvme 3.0 4x drives,was creating a Fusedrive of 64Gb of DDR4 3200 4x16gb plus a 2Tb SX 8200pro nvme PCI 3.0 4x. Went from 12 to 30 second game loads on my nvme's, to 1 or 2 second load times! Imagine running Deus Ex Mankind Devided level loads,in a second.Blows my PCIe 4.0 Asus TUF X570 mobo away.
5000 MB/s and here I am still using my 500GB mechanical drive from 2008 peaking at 70MB/s lol
Dude if you use an ssd you will never go back just get 120gb ssd for 20$-25$ and you are settled
@@mr.br4dga279 Not going to bother really. I am planning to build a whole new PC with 1TB NVMe drives and 6TB mechanical storage around xmas or when ever big Navi comes out, hopefully around then. At this stage everything in my PC is junk except for the water cooling which is passive and has been flawless since 04. GPU and CPU are from 2014/15 though so its a mishmash of retro and modernish hardware.
@@3800S1 nice that would be a sick build and I hope you get the best deals and win the silicone lottery ;)
@@mr.br4dga279 well I'm getting the 3900x so lottery isn't an issue. Not sure on what Radeon has to offer around xmas, hopefully 5800/5900XT? got everything else planned like O11 dynamic, twin? maybe? 360 rads from hardwarelabs and heatkiller blocks (want to try internal WC this time as my loop is a massive 1m high heatsink tower that's external) trident Z non rgb 3733 CL16 kit with dram calc tweaks. MSI x470 gaming M7 (allows me to run win 7 with 3rd gen ryzen for legacy support). Might upgrade my speakers to swan ones as my logitec x230 from over a decade ago is holding back my Xonar phoebus card, the one part i will be keeping from my old rig :)
I just ordered the monitor LG 32GK650F and should arrive by the weekend, my current one is a 20" AOC from 2008 lol
Жесть. Нифига не понимаю по английски. Но похоже работает RAID 0 с nvme на PCI-E 4.0. В два раза быстрее. И пофиг что-что будет стоить около 20к рублей. Я изучаю эту тему, хочу на 50 % сократить загрузку виндовс 10. C 15 до 7 например.
So in this video he had a GPU on the first PCIe slot, one NVMe drive on the CPU, another on the chipset? That means the PCIe config became 8x, 4x, 4x? Could he have done it with a GPU on the first PCIe slot and an M.2 to PCIe adapter on the second slot with this last slot bifurcated to 8x,8x over the BIOS?
yes but he didn't
Crazy fast but kinda expensive.
Game loading time these days seems to be bottlenecked by CPU speed, lol.
Yep, sata ssd are not that far behind as cpu tends to be the limit when loading data
I can see running raid 0 or 1 on the chipset with a Gigabyte Master or such that has 3 m.2. slots. Put a gen 4 ssd on the cpu's m.2 for main drive and 2 gen 3 on the chipset m.2. this would give you another drive letter instead of 2 and you use up those older ssds you may have sitting around and give them the same performance of the gen 4. Two good gen 3 wouldn't saturate the chipset 4x bandwidth.
I set up a raid 0 on 2 256GB drives. Mostly so I can have 500GB of main storage. I bought a 256 Samsung 960 Evo when I built my PC then just recently I bought a 256 WD PCIe 3.0 drive for $30. So my speed didn't change much, if anything it is slightly better but I also have double the storage. I am also running it on a X370 ASRock Taichi.
Doesn't this motherboard support raid on Linux?
I miss the Asus BIOS. Stuck with MSI which looks like shit!
LOW COST TEST - Would you consider RAID 0 a NVMe 0 to CPU and NVMe 1 on PCI 16 Card (which should talk directly to CPU). The PCI 16 cards are available for $10 us or less. Then you would have full speed RAID... I know it would cut the Video card throughput in half YET I believe (love to see :-)) it won't effect real world video performance. AND 25% to 30% performance gain on SSD's
Stupid question.. Anyone know if there's any X570 MBs out there that support all the M.2 NVMes to use the CPU lanes (not the chipset) AND the bottom 2 could be configured into RAID 0 ?
Possible with any MB? Or would need a PCIe m.2 expansion board?
did you use 2x chipset slots or 1x cpu and 1x chipset slots?
I know nothing... Happen to be reading the Asus RAID manual while watching and for Strip Size they recomend it based on the RAID configuration chose - RAID 0 - 128KB, RAID 10 - 5KB, RAID 5 - 64KB. For what its worth - hope that helps someone.
@der8auer
Roman, that rumor about high power for PCIe4 SSD's probably comes from that chipsetfan and the exotic cooling on those Gigabyte SSD's. Given the low differences which you have shown it became even more clear how ridiculous it is that the motherboard-companies don't use better passive cooling to avoid having that horrible chipsetfan. A simple thin copper/aluminium pipe ending on some fins where the case-fan blows wind over should suffice, right? Quesiton. Could you figure out why games don't load faster on faster SSD's? Are the RAM and the memory on the graphics card the problem?
Nice video ! Someones knows how to create a raid 0 with this chipset x570 amd? I have correctly installed Raid's drivers on windows , but impossible to find the bios's menu to create a raid 0 with 2 HDD 1to. I just activate RAID instead of AHCI .
Want to see x570 build with a RX 5700 XT in PCIe 4/3 at x8/x16 vice versa with one of them NVMe PCIe 4.0 cards in Raid 0 while exporting video files.
Thank You! I finally got my Seagate FireCuda 520 M.2 SSDs to RAID 0 on my new ASUS TUF Gaming X570-Plus. Your English is good too.
Roman, one thing I'd like to point out, statistic outlying failures don't matter in SSD NAND as much as they do with HDDs. HDDs are going to fail, it is expected for them to fail within 3-5 years if used in any kind of RAID configuration due to the motor driver boards in them being scaled so much towards cost reduction, that the components are junk now.
Just about to put in 4x samsung EVO 970's in a control card in the Cpu North bridge slot and the Gpu in the south slot and I'm wondering if 4 of them run at raid 0 at 3.0 is as fast as 4.0 at raid 0 with windows boot and Starcraft 2 and Dota 2 and AOE2?
I think I'll take the risk for my two 1TB SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 GEN 3 NVME SSDs but what if I have a hdd also?
i just did raid 0 on the new sn850 and the numbers are good until you do ATTO benchmarks, you'll see how much the numbers fluctuate around so much, and on some numbers it's very bad.
2:57 wait now. If you run 1x 980 pro off CPU and 2x 970 Evo Plus off chipset, there is no bottleneck.
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Hey, can you retake this video when B550 Aorus Master came out? My build plan is 3900X + B550 Aorus Master + 3 x 1TB Gen4
I think the best arrangement is on a board that allows x8 x8 on CPU slots and has one x4 m.2 slot for the cpu natively onboard. Use a PCIe riser card and bifurcate the slot with 2 drives and have one on mainboard for a 3 drive array.
i know this is way late but would it have any benefit if one were to put a 1 tb gen 4 on cpu and 2 gen 3 on the chipset would that increase the preformance of the gen3 drives
i dont think youll see this anyways just a thought
Can partition be created after the driver installation?
(after it's recognising it as one drive )
if someone interested, it's possible, just tested :)
I would love to see two cheap Intel 665P at raid0 :) It's only a bit more than 200€
if you use a pcie to m.2 riser card, for your second ssd you will get higher speeds because the second m.2 slot runs through chipset not cpu.
Maybe increase the test size to help in the variablility as 1GB your test only takes 200ms;
Looks like you'd narrow the gap just by raiding the 970. No 570 or gen 4 necessary.
Funny.. I still have the crucial mx500 250gb drive on my system. Seems good enough for me.
Wow Gen 4 is FAST. Then with RAID 0 it’s huge! That motherboard is beautiful. Who wouldn’t want it.
That power consumption rumor probably comes from CPU or GPU intensive loads that are bottle-necked on storage. When they move to striped raid the "neck" gets wider and their CPU or GPU get to make more heat.
Does RAID 0 increase latency?
So, please, for RAID0 in an Aorus Master x570 you want to use the two PCIE 4.0 slots connected to the chipset and leave the one closer and connected to the CPU unraided. That is the best configuration, right? Also: can you have two RAID0 arrays, one composed of two nvme M2 SSDs and another composed of two 7200RPM HDDs? Does the chipset supports it, no problem for sure? Thank you so much for the help, appreciated
He definitely said to raid the cpu m.2 and the chipset m.2 together