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- A chance to take the Tiger 900 out on a group ride into the Algarve hills. Brakes, comfort, power, practicality - this could well be the best mid-size adventure bike around.
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I own this bike and love it! I live in the northeast U.S. and have the Pro and find it comfortable and easy to ride on long journeys! Now I have the new Trident as my fun, sport riding bike!
Ooh, the best of both worlds: long-distance comfort and short-distance fun. Enjoy :)
Great review, your summary is spot on in regards to the Triumph. I also agree with what you said about the Yamaha Tracer 9 GT, fantastic motorcycle except for the split screen and the lights. Fortunately that’s a simple fix so let’s hope Yamaha listens to their consumer research and make those changes for the next model year.
Thanks, Pistol. It certainly makes you wonder who signs off these design decisions...
I have a 2019 tracer and keep both lights on. With the adjuster screws, I set the high beam to the same height as the low beam and just leave the switch on. I never ride at night; and if you do both lights are set at low beam.You never use high beam in the 🇬🇧 too much traffic.
I have a 2019 Yamaha Tracer 900 GT. Should I keep it or trade it in for the Tiger? I find the Tracer seat is uncomfortable, I tried different seats and padding etc, but it’s not enjoyable for long distance touring. Otherwise the bike is solid.
I'm seriously considering buying the Tracer and have concerns about the seat. If you get a moment to reply I'd greatly appreciate knowing which after market seats you've tried.
Another good review Video. Can't wait to see your new bike.
Another encouraging comment from you, Lyn. Thank you :) I hope you will approve of the new bike... I think you will.
Appreciate this! I am adding this to my garage and still keeping my CB500F. The 500F is just too much fun for commuting about town and going into the twisties on the weekends that I don’t want to let it go. While not a 500X it’s still giving me a good comparison here. Thanks!
Good call, it's a great bike. I loved the 2022 CB500X when I rode it a couple of weeks ago. Feel free to see my review: th-cam.com/video/hL7-dxbJLfo/w-d-xo.html
I really enjoy your low key, laconic reviews. Very informative and real. Give the 850 Sport a whirl, I tried all the Tigers and decided on that one. Motor feels more punchy (could be lighter weight!) Tyres are a better choice and once you’ve got 1000mls on the clock suspension is spot on. Dislikes, rev counters crap, and jerky low speed throttle, solved by taking slop out off throttle mechanism (I used a bit cut off a tie wrap!). Otherwise she’s a keeper!
Thanks, Michael. I have heard the 850 is the one to go for :)
Great review . I own a 2019 Yamaha Tracer 900 GT that I ride almost daily year round. Engine is always a thrill. I upgraded the windscreen to an MRA vario tour, and added some crash bars with aux led lights. Definitely going to hang on to it.
Wise decision, great bike and the 2019 has a better dash😊
Excellent review and I definitely agree on the Yamaha clocks….. they are very odd in today’s market! Can’t wait to see what you’ve purchased. Ride safe RocketMan!
Thanks, Willy. Such a shame about the Tracer's clocks, because the rest of the bike is really good. Big reveal coming mid-August; I think (hope!) you will approve :)
Agree on the brakes, I was expecting the same level as braking as some of the other bikes. But actually, I'm happy they have softened the initial bite as I'd constantly be diving that front end on my 850 Sport! They still have similar feel when you give a big handful though! Nice video, well thought out and explained as per.
Quite right, I should have mentioned that. The bite is there when you squeeze hard, even if the attack is less full-on👍
Thanks for your content, I have the tiger 900 gt pro, I solved the jerky throttle by adding the spacers on the throttle, before I was riding in rain map to smooth things out, but now I'm able to enjoy it in road mode with smooth acceleration. I agree with your comment on the brakes, and ease to manage at low speed.
Yes, the spacers help a lot. I've put them on my Speed Twin
Wow! Really curious about your new bike. You have such discerning taste for motorbikes, and continuously seeking the holy grail of your preferences. I dare not speculate! Cheers!
Thanks, David. I think (hope!) you will approve of the new bike. Only a couple of weeks now...😊
@@RocketMan_Moto Hope I am pleasantly surprised!
I own a Tiger 900 GT (not the Pro) since July 2020. 12000 km of happiness so far. It’s not a perfect bike, but it’s perfect for me & i love it. Would i buy another one? Yes, definitely. Have a nice summer Rocket man.
Thanks, Trekky :)
Thanks for the review.
I'm choosing the Tiger 900 GT as my first motorcycle, being secure and a little boring as you said I believe it fits perfect for me like rookie rider.
Ride safe !!
I agree it would make a good first bike. Boring was perhaps a little harsh😊
Great review as always 👍 and I’ve guessed your new bike 🤔 Triumph speed triple 👏 all the hints are in this review 😁
Thanks. You're about 150% correct with your guess. If you don't get it now...! Lol :)
@@RocketMan_Moto 🤔
I own the exact same mode and colour. A good improvement on the 800, which I found a bit buzzy. The 900 feels more like a twin and is lovely to ride on our leafy main roads in Devon. My partner also says it the most comfortable bike she has been on. I was thinking of downsizing due to age and strength but the 900 feel lighter than the 800 and is far easier to wheel around and put on the mainstand. I actually like being able to press a button to get the suspension right, depending on if I have the panniers on, a passenger, or solo. You pays your money and takes your choice!
I agree the electronic suspension is great if you regularly carry a passenger. Ride safe :)
Best reviews on TH-cam, perfect
Thank you, Paul :)
Excellent review with helpful insights.
Thank you, Mike😊
I’m one of many who bought the Tiger 900 this year. It has a few flaws, and while it might be safe and a little boring, that makes it just like its owner. Enjoy your holiday. I look forward to your future videos.
Thanks :) Nothing wrong with safe & boring! Enjoy your Tiger :)
Your point about the screens is valid. I find the Yamaha screen very busy and complex. The Triumph screen by contrast is much simpler and easier to read. I’ve had an R80GS and R100GS Shaft drive is very hard to go past- not having to oil or adjust a chain or get oil on the side of your rear tyre is heaven on two wheels. Going down a freeway recently I had a huge chunk of industrial strength plastic get caught up in my chain. Luckily I’d had a centre stand put on the bike so I could spend 20 minutes getting it out the chain/ cog ⚙️ in the emergency lane in a 100 kmh zone. I can forgive a bike many faults as long as it has shaft drive.
Scary story! I agree on centre stands. A bit like insurance: annoying until you actually need it, then it's indispensable and you're glad you've got it. I wish all bikes were shaft driven :)
Very good and clear spoken review. Easy to understand for a non-native speaker like me. Did a test drive recently. My experience is similar. Very handy, drive train super smooth and decent wind protection. Not spectacular, more like a Honda. In a positive way. Well done Triumph. Unfortunately a bit pricey for a 900cc cross-over. With panniers its close to 18k euros. Really hefty.
I agree on the cost, and that’s why I went with the new Honda Transalp. Glad you enjoyed the video😊
Thanks for the review. I will go for an upgrade from CB500X to 900 GT Pro, on your advice :) I need some more comfort, it seams to be the right path.
Good choice. The Tiger is like a ‘super CB500X’. You won’t be disappointed👍😊
Looks like you and I are not just similar in age but have a very similar preference for the bikes. I have recently upgraded from Tracer 700 to Tracer 900 GT and despite fueling issues at slow speeds I am very satisfied with the buzz that this triple engine gives me. The sound on the overrun and at full blast is, I guess like a drug (never tried any other than being a coffee addict for 40+years) you never have enough of it. The annoying screen I've immediately upgraded to Kappa touring screen from my old Tracer with some mods to fit and the seat had received an extra 50 mm of packaging foam with my own upholstery effort with black marine-grade vinyl. So, now I just wait for summer to come here down under to do some longer touring. I am sure that you will make the decision to suit you best but if you already have noticed that Tiger is a tad boring, hope you'll remember your BMW 900XR disappointment. And like you, I found Tracer 9 just not as good-looking as Tracer 900 GT which is why I went with the older model.
I like your reasoning. My new bike is more powerful than the Tiger, but not by much. It has much more torque, though. The Tracer is a great bike, pity they slapped such a weird dash on it :(
Took one out for test ride last week. I was really impressed. Set the pre load to rider and luggage, damping to full sport, sport mode for the throttle and man did this thing go. I was hooking it around corners quicker than my speed twin. That quick shifter is freaking awesome, I was blown away with it, so much so I'm trading the speed twin in on it. Love the speedy, but I'm doing bigger riding days and multi day trips and I'm getting a little beaten up. Didn't find the throttle twitchy at all, and once the suspension was stiffened up, it was rock solid and held a line really well in the corners, even hanging off the seat...haha.
Totally get that. I love my Speed Twin, too, but I've ordered the new Transalp for longer trips. As you say, the Speed Twin was never really designed for distance.
@@RocketMan_Moto if only I could afford the speed twin, but unfortunately can only afford to have one bike, and touring and fanging around on changeable riding surfaces here in NZ, this makes sense. I was never a fan of adventure/touring style bikes, but at 56 this seems the sensible choice. The sound reminds me of what yamaha did with the crossplane R1 motor. I think an arrow end can would create an even more visceral experience. Keep up the good work.
Excellent review 👌🏽
Glad you liked it!
Great review, I'm very curious why the quick-shiter of the Tiger didn't feel as good as from the Trident. Isn't it the same system for both?
Thanks. Yes, I thought that. I can only imagine it has been 'retuned' somehow to take the extra torque of the Tiger into account? It wasn't bad, just not as good as the Trident's :)
Another great reveiw, i agree, the Triumph is a little lack lustre, my dealer put me on one when the Trident failed my requirements list, I did however end up buying a Triumph, a Tiger sport, if you have not ridden one i would recommend giving 0ne a go. Thanks for all your efforts, most enjoyable.
Thanks :) I have heard the Tiger Sport is much perkier, but I believe there's a new 1200 version coming out that uses the engine - presumably detuned - from the Speed Triple.
@@RocketMan_Moto i hope so, however i dare say it will be a lot more expensive than mine, as the bike was heavily discounted. 125 hp does me just fine.
I think 100-125hp is the sweet spot for any bike :)
Im thinking of picking up a 900 GT PRO, I need to test ride one first though before I decide. Looks like a good adventure bike.
I agree you need to test one first. I was impressed by pretty much everything except the engine - nothing wrong with it, just a bit unexciting. This may be less important for you, of course, but you should try it :)
I tried to guess and said Tracer 9 last time, seems i wasn't that much wrong :D
In the meantime I picked up my KTM 390 Adventure last week and i'm having a blast with it :)
Haven't tried it, but I've heard lots of good things about the 390. Enjoy! :)
Great video! Waiting to see your new bike as I am deciding what to get next my budget is 10k uk pounds
Thanks, John. My new bike is a little over budget, but not by that much :)
@@RocketMan_Moto can always stretch abit Lol 😂
Haha, I know the feeling: strict budget, which becomes more flexible the more bikes you look at😬
@@RocketMan_Moto you got it!! Lol 😂
I sometimes even end up convincing myself I am actually saving money by buying a bike that, while over budget, was less expensive than the ludicrously expensive bike I might have bought😬
Thanks for the review and have a nice summer.
For my needs, this is a too much bike. Can't justify spending so much for a bike I would use as a weekend toy. Also, these bikes have too many gizmos these days and the price that would go with it. Still I think the ténéré 700 is the one for me. Or if Honda can come next year with a CB700X...😉
I agree a 700X would be sweet. Maybe next year :)
Great vid :)
Thanks, Benjamin :)
Great review! I am surprised you selected the Triumph given the things you pointed out. However, it makes sense. Do you have an opinion about the Triumph 850 Sport? Also, I would like to know what you think about the Ducati Adventure and I am surprised about the BMW bike not being right. I would like to know what you got now. Thanks
Thanks, Paul. I went with the new Speed Twin and am very happy with it. Video here: th-cam.com/video/84rj2B20p7M/w-d-xo.html
Do you think you could get your hands on a Multistrada 950/S ? I'm really interested in hearing your thoughts on that bike.
Great review!
It's on my list :)
Nice review and “Boas férias”
Thanks :)
I had a 2014 tiger 800 for about 30 months and covered 40,000 miles.
It was a very good bike and very well built but the engine was a bit bland. Though I'm not a red line chaser, preferring torque over BHP.
The KTM 790Adv is more me. Just be glad when they finally sort out the condensation in the TFT.
I tried the 790 a couple of years ago and really liked the engine. Ride safe :)
Interesting review, after being disappointed with the Trident during my Trident Tour ride, I tested a Tiger 800 XC. It's surprisingly nimble at low speed, even with the 21" front wheel, although it does require more input once moving but I still had a right giggle riding over the Yorkshire Dales and Pennines. I'd be interested in the 850 Sport though mainly because I use the bike as an escape and enjoy the simplicity.
I would kill for a ride through the Dales. I grew up in Hull, so know them well :)
@@RocketMan_Moto Its a stunning area and despite not using any nav / phone maps, I just guessed my way heading North, trying to make some pre determined towns. The Brough to Middleton In Teesdale road in the Pennines was superb fun, undulating twisties all the way.
Well done review, with mentioning some things like the quickshifter or the brakes, which I heard for the first time.
Your conclusion sounds a lot, like Suzuki has done something right with ther V-Strom 650. Enough power, cheap, frugal, easy to ride, brings you everwhere and has no brake downs. The smaller brother of the big jack at all trades Tiger.
Thanks. The Suzuki does look an enticing prospect👍
I test rode the Triumph 900 GT Pro but ultimately decided to go with the Tracer 9 GT - the clocks do remind me of Carl Fredricksen from the 'UP' movie but they work remarkably well when riding - much better and less cluttered than my 2019 Africa Twin Adventure Sports! What sealed the deal for me was the superior power of the Yam and I also liked the luggage included. Having only done 200 miles on the Tracer (bought it 3 days ago) I have yet to find any major faults with it - well maybe a few minor faults: I would like to see both headlights on in dip mode, the foot pegs are slightly in the way of where your feet need to be on the ground, 10 settings for the heated grips is a bit much! I love the handling of it though - as good as my Fireblade without the pain in my wrists, spine, and knees!
I agree the Tiger is a bit pedestrian, but the 2023 model is getting more power. I believe the 2023 Tracer 9 is getting new clocks. Enjoy yours😊
Tried both but bought the Multistrada V2S, haven’t regretted the decision after coming down from a GS1250. Lumpier at low revs but just as comfy and a lot more exciting to ride though more expensive, bit of a looker too in red of course.
Fabulous bike. Wish I could afford one, I went for the Transalp😊
Nice bike, nice video!
What about the new bike, is the big reveal still coming…? 🙂✌🏼
I hope so soon. The bike was promised for early August but has been delayed because of the holidays, Brexit, COVID... the usual stuff ;)
Great Video.
Thanks, Wobble :)
My priority now is not buzzy at motorway speeds of 65-75 mph, smooth not snatchy throttle response, and good wind protection or possibility of same with different wind shield. Which bike or bikes you have ridden provide these priorities? Thanks. I had heard previously that the Tiger 800 was not buzzy at speed and had smooth throttle response?
The 850 seemed better when I tried it briefy
A great review 👍I’ve owned this very bike for a year - the fuelling as never been a problem on my bike ? , you have to ride this bike in sports mode at all times ! Never rain mode ! I’ve just completed a 1300 mile trip taking in part of the ( NC500) in four days , we did single track, twisties , long sweeping roads and motorways, it was brilliant at all disciplines! the other bikes where a Gs , a Africa twin and a bobber ( yes a triumph bobber ) and in my opinion it smashers the Africa twin for power and handling and comes a close second to the gs ?
I think reviewing bikes is very difficult when you only have the bike for day or so . I can honestly say that this bike gets better the longer you own it , and is a brilliant travel bike ! it’s also 7k less than the GS .
Keep the lovely sunny videos coming 👍can I also say that it’s the bike you should have bough rather than the BMW you had 😊
Thanks, Paul. I have to say I agree with everything you say - 1 day isn't enough to try out a bike properly, but it was long enough to show that it's a lot nicer than the BMW F900XR, though to be fair the Triumph hadn't come out when I ordered mine :)
I took the demo out too and didn’t suffer from poor fuelling, I thought it was typically good Triumph fuelling.
Im aghast at some of the remarks the reviewer is made. Fuelling and Brake issues. What??
What would you chose btw the F900XR and the Tiger 900 GT PRO used for commuting in and out of the city with some soft touring in the weekends on the back roads?
Having owned - and sold - the F900XR, I would definitely take the Tiger (which wasn't available when I bought my BMW). The engine is much better - noise and power - and the seat & suspension are more comfortable :)
@@RocketMan_Moto thank you for your reply, from what I see most of the people that reviewed both bikes, recomand the tiger. First i found it strange cuz on paper the XR has more power and torque.
I fell into the trap of ordering the F900XR without riding it first (I know, stupid...). Like you, I just relied on the stats, but it was a real disappointment. I also had poor customer service and problems with the bike, so I sold it. I made a video on the experience here, if you're interested: th-cam.com/video/qzR6ocSyv0w/w-d-xo.html
@@RocketMan_Moto sorry for your experience, who once said that numbers on a paper are just that (numbers on a paper) was a smart man. Thank you for sharing your experience, makes my decision lot easier! Cool vids by the way, watched a lot of them. Great work!
Thanks :)
im 5'5 and i rode the tiger 900 gt pro with the regular seat and the low ride seat, touch the floor with flat just fine. the electronic suspension you have to set it up to regular 1 rider if you set it up in 2 rider + with luggage setting then the bike height goes up automatic.
Thanks for the heads-up :)
The dash on the Yamaha reminds of a kids movie from some time back, WALL-E. Once having seen the face that’s all I would see when riding.
Yeah, agree, a real deal breaker for me. How long do we need to wait for the refresh?
Exactly - very weird design :(
I have to agree. Such a shame, because the rest of the bike is pretty decent.
i have test ridden the f900xr and the new tracer 9 gt. the clocks look ridiculous when the bikes on the stand, but honestly when riding you dont really notice it and the info it gives is sufficient. This vid of the triumph does not make me want to test ride it at all. the engine on the tracer is a peach and the clocks really are not that bad. the only travesty is that there isnt a £xx(x) option for the right hand clock on the tracer to have bt connectio and turn by turn. RocketMan sold his bmw after a relatively short time and said that it just wasnt what it promised to be, then rides the equally boring triumph and says it better than the tracer because the clocks are ugly???????????
I agree you do ‘forget’ about details like the clocks once you’re riding👍
Good review, with some excellents points.
To answer the title's question, well, aesthetics aside, if your mainly road riding, then tracer definitely, however if you are going to pretend to be Ewan or Charlie, then the Tiger. IMO.
It's a close call. The Tracer is better to ride, but it's too weird looking, lol
But when you sit on it, you don't see it...just saying.
@@SandraOrtmann1976 To be honest as a man of a certain age, sportbikes aside, I genuinely see most modern bikes have become better to ride but worse to look at. My own included.
@@Grahamvfr Well, you know, I am also not 20 anymore...rather more than double that age. So with my second motorcycle (I change mine very rarely), I had difficulty in finding something rather compact (around 500 cc and 50 HP was enough for me), but as comfortable seating-wise as my Yamaha XT. In the end, it was a scrambler. Having back problems, I still had to modify the handlebar to get it a bit higher, and pad the seat a bit more for a more relaxed knee angle (yes, I am picky), but now it is to my liking. It is not my favourite looks-wise. I once sat on a Moto Guzzi T85 which I liked a lot, and it was not too bad (could flat foot). Might be the same with that Triumph Tiger, but it is just too much for me. So I am perfectly happy with the bike I own now.
@@SandraOrtmann1976 yea scrambler fits the bill, I've had my eye (when missus is not looking) on a used tracer 7 as a 2nd bike. lightish nimble comfy .
A lot of people are complaining about the Triumph's heat being directed towards the knees when the fan kicks on. There seems to be aftermarket deflectors but they don't seem to help much
Yes, I have seen this problem too. Triumph changed the design on the Tiger 1200, but there doesn't appear to be an adequate/simple solution on the 900. It was one of the things that made me choose the Transalp over the Tiger 900, because heat can be a problem here in the Algarve.
Exactly the kind of riding I want to do..looked at the Tiger and it's lovely and just like a big version of my Sinnis Terrain...
It is, yes. Like a better version of the Honda CB500X I had a couple of years ago. I like the look of the forthcoming Tiger 1200, but of course this will be a lot heavier and more expensive.
@@RocketMan_Moto I so regret getting into biking so late in life..I feel I have missed out on a lot, I am hoping to make up some lost time.
I know the feeling - I only took my licence 6 years ago. Better late than never :)
Thank you !
I hear very good things about the Tiger but it is too much off road.
I was asked 13700 euro ( all bs expenses included, tax, everything ) for the T9 GT.
Still haven't tried it yet, but the engine and that active suspension and the R1 6 axis IMU seem very appealing for the price...
The niggles i ( hope ) dont really care.
And the T9 seems to have a little more headroom above 200 kms /h then the competition..
You don't go there everyday, but it is nice to have that option.
I’m sure the 9GT is excellent, the 900 I tried certainly was, but I’m shallow and can’t see past those clocks😬
@@RocketMan_Moto They are horrible, you are right.
Lets see if I let that pass when I rent one.
( Lxrent will have them )
The only advantage i can think in that setup is much further down the line.
10, 15 years when the panels break ( and they will ), hopefully it will be cheaper to replace.
True👍😊
I would have tried the Tiger but I couldn’t even get Triumph dealers in Melbourne to make eye contact or return phone calls so I bought the F900XR and am extremely happy.
This is the 3rd new bike I bought where Triumph comparison missed out because of dealers failings or only 10-20 minute test ride.
Dealers are so important, I agree. I had the opposite experience: excellent relationship with my Triumph dealer, but very mediocre at BMW. Enjoy your F900 :)
@@RocketMan_Moto my dealer was excellent, even though I ordered my bike at the end of our 5 month lock down and they had no stock, they were excellent, and have been no different after I took delivery, one the best dealers (car & bike) I’ve dealt with in 40+ years. (Doncaster Motorrad in Melbourne 🙂).
Good to hear. It must be so frustrating for 'head office' to put all the effort they do into selling their products, only to be let down on the finish line by poor dealers.
The Tiger 900 GT was the bike my heart wanted however my brain took over and said it's too heavy old man, you'll never pick it up. So I ended up with the CB500x, a reliable 200kg bike but as you know, lacks that excitement factor. Even my son's RE Interceptor 650 has more get up and go. Summer in Portugal, now that's a dream.
It's certainly bigger than the 500X, but not by much. That said, you can't go far wrong with the Honda :)
I would recommend the 2021 Yamaha Tracer 9 GT for its superior engine and its superior reliability. (Note that I own a 2020 Triumph Rocket 3R, which implies that I have nothing against Triumph.) The build quality of the Yamaha is not bad and I suppose that one could eventually get used to the odd looking dashboard. PS: the Brembo Stylema brakes are very progressive, not brutal at all, on all the motorcycles I’ve tested: 2020 KTM Super Duke 1290 R, 2021 Speed Triple, my own Rocket. I, too, prefer a more immediate braking power.
I found the Stylemas only just good enough to stop the Rocket's massive weight. The dash really puts me off the Tracer, tbh - a detail for some, but important for me. Ride safe :)
Nice, nice unit ! But , I do agree about going for the lower spec. I wouldn’t complain about one being in my garage……enjoy your summer break - isn’t it pretty much always summer in the Algarve ?
Thanks :) 30° and 100% blue skies here for the past 2.5 months, so can't complain :)
So much nicer than Sydney…… locked down - winter - 87kph winds yesterday!!!! Enjoy…..
Oh dear. If it’s any consolation, we had a really miserable winter here, too😩
I do like the tiger, nearly bought the 800 a few years back. Something mentioned about a lot of bikes in reviews is that “wish it have a little more power” but I wonder if it’s this view that is pushing manufacturers to continually increase the size of the engines (on top of the euro emissions malarkey), for me personally I have started looking and wanting smaller engines, mid range adventures like the rumoured 660 tiger? Also something recently that I became aware of was the Fantic caballero 500 scrambler, ever ridden that? That to seems to resonate with fun and riding on the edge of its limits?
If 100hp bikes didn’t exist, I would be perfectly happy with 50hp. But they do, so I’m not😂
@@RocketMan_Moto you can’t beat more power to get you out of tricky situations! I think for me after years of advanced rider training, I get more of a kick from the perfect ride out than I do sheer acceleration or speed.
I’m not really a speed freak, I just like having tons of power available, even if I rarely use all of it😊
You should try the BMW R1250R if you like power and torque. 👍
They are beautiful machines, but €€€ :(
Booster plug isn't support Euro 5 bikes after 2021. Manufactures are obligated to detect sensors misbehaviour and detect re-flash now. So we doomed to ride jerky bikes for some time until tuner figure out some workarounds..
Ah, ok - interesting. Thanks for the heads-up :)
Any change in your preference of this bike in the mid-adventure market?
There’s a new model coming soon, hopefully with more power and less of a heat issue
I heard a rumor that triumph’s digital console was made in cooperation with Ducati. No idea if that of true or not, but would be interested to know if there is any similarity. May have to see if I can find a local duke dealer and take a butcher’s 🤔
Interesting - the screen is very good, maybe a little too much info, though. I preferred the minimalist approach on the even more legible Trident screen :)
comparison to the competition? ✅
how the bike feels as opposed to reading a spec sheet? ✅
Under 15 minutes and to the point? ✅
Great review.
Thank you, Supernova :)
Good review. Wonder if the 850 Sport is the same?
The 850 has an identical engine, so I imagine it's pretty much the same, only with fewer (unnecessary??) gadgets. It probably makes even more sense than the standard 900.
@@RocketMan_Moto Ok..thanks.
Bonjour Rocketman, une question importante pour moi : comment est l'écartement du reservoir de la Tiger GT Pro ? Je suis assez sensible de l'entre jambe (écartement des cuisses) et pour te donner un point de référence, au delà de l'écartement d'une MT09, je trouve ça plutôt désagréable... je ne sais pas si c'est exactement la même forme de reservoir que la tracer 9 mais il y a de fortes chances... du coup, ma question est la suivante : est-ce que l'écartement des cuisses sur la reservoir de la tiger 900 est très important ? Est-il plus important que sur la tracer 9 ? Merci pour ta réponse.
C'est une bonne question, mais pour être tout à fait honnête, je ne me souviens pas de cet aspect de la moto. Cela fait peut-être un an que je ne me suis pas assis sur une Tiger. Sorry :)
@@RocketMan_Moto OK, merci pour ta réponse. Bonne soirée
I feel if only Suzuki would add a quick shifter as standard to their 1050 XT they could really compete well with this new crop of Adv's like the KTM 890 and Tracer 900. I feel everyone has really stepped the game up and over the BMW's F900XR which was like a halo bike - for a year. Everyone else seems to have done it a _lot_ better in 2021.
I agree, especially about the F900XR, which I had last year. So promising, but ultimately very disappointing :)
@@RocketMan_Moto Nothing to Prove has a similar vibe about his bike. I don't blame either of you!
Yes, I saw his review😬
I hope you review the Kawasaki Ninja 1000SX one day :-) I'm hoping to buy that bike and travel from Stockholm to the Algarve next year haha
It's on my list, but demo bikes are pretty hard to come by at the moment, what with COVID and everything else. It's on my list, though. Give me a shout if you do make it down here :)
Can you compare the new models of both tiger and tracer 900 get?
I’m trying to get a test ride on the new Tiger 900 soon😊
I have done 5000 miles on my GT Pro. It’s really well balanced and you can throw it all over the place. The quick shifter is great and helps you get up to speed in no time. The biggest disappointment are those Brembo brakes up front. They don’t fill me with confidence. I tried my friends Multistrada 1200 and wow what a difference with its m50 brakes. The Tiger won’t set your world alight but it’s good for munching miles. I have come to the conclusion that I am not of fan of 19inch wheels. They don’t steer as well as a 17inch in the corners. Height is an issue for me. I am thinking of moving to a R1250R next March when my warranty expires. I am fed up with the chain maintenance.
Thanks for your input. Interesting that you agree on the brakes. Shaft drives are fabulous, I wish all bikes had them. Ride safe :)
There are opinions about vibrations on speed 120+ or rpm 5000+
What can you say about that ?
The only downsight I see on the Tiger is the 19' rims, overall great on the open roads but here in Portugal with our twisty roads and "tight" city streets I find the 17' much better to handle. Cheers
Agreed. I'm not a fan of big wheels. 17" are just right for the sort of roads we have here, you're right :)
Ever thought of the versys? Might give the 1k cc a test... I have a 650 and it is good enough for me
The Versys 1000 is supposed to be good
@@RocketMan_Moto methinks u might have gone and got the 850 Sport... going to have a gander this weekend in Lx
The newest iteration of the Tracer supposedly addresses some of the negatives. Not fully sure how the Tiger has changed since this video either
New Tiger 900 coming soon👍
Yes - if Triumphs had some MORE of reliability and longer ( at least 30000 km ) valve check / adjust. intervals - no doubt it would have been the Nr 1 choice for so many more .... inkl, myself ☝😀
To be fair, I think Triumph's service requirements are pretty much in line with those of other manufacturers :)
I think if you have some Motown knee grips this must mean the Triumph 1200 scrambler as you like some power it is a big machine and you are quite tall.
The exhaust gives off a fair bit of heat though, especially down here :(
Did you ever find out what that bike's beak is for? There's already a fender/mudguard hugging the front wheel.
I think it's just for style. As you say, a little unnecessary.
@@RocketMan_Moto - I hope the style dies out - like it has on the Yamaha Ténéré 700. I'm already dreading that it survives on the upcoming RE Himalayan 650.
I’m with you on that😂 The Himalayan does look good👍
I recall previous Tracer 900 owners installing a custom beak in order to alleviate the wind buffeting issue and it has helped considerably, therefore it must have some use except from looks.
@@zonkex - That a beak can lessen wind buffeting may be possible, but there are far more effective ways of doing that closer to the windshield - as Honda has done with vent holes on its CB4/500x line, or as Yamaha has done on the Ténéré. IMHO, the high fender on mud bikes is to allow high speed front fork compressions, and that had become a feature signaling "performance" when Adventure bikes came along. IOW, it's like a wing on a road car - good only to produce air drag.
Seems like the new budget Tiger would've been more appropriate to review and consistent with your emphasis on value for the $ spent.
Indeed, but I wasn't going to turn my nose up at the only Tiger my dealer had available for me
Greetings to Algarve! Well, considering the blast I’m having with my brand new Yamaha MT-09, I think that choosing bikes is like dating girls - always wins that one with biggest boobs.
Haha, I don’t know if TH-cam would let me get away with analogies like that😀
Sat on a 22 tracer 9gt and it looked/felt cheap. I wanted to like it so much. I really did. But when compared to a 900 (rally pro) it wasn't even close.
I agree. And that’s the problem with all Yamahas, especially next to Triumphs🙁
Excellent review! Was considering buying the Tracer but I changed my mind because for whatever reason they are stolen allot in my country
I've heard that in France too, where I used to live. At least you won't have to look at those weird clocks, lol :)
@@RocketMan_Moto definitely since between these two, i bought the trident haha
Excellent choice, sir👍😊
Every bike is stolen in my country. Such a shame
Where are you?😟
I have a Tracer 900 2020.What an engine!!!The problem is,when you want to get out of the road and get dirty road(nothing agressive).The Tracer is just too low.For me in The real world i need a 80%road20%like almost riders.That said i don t need a 900 rally.
I love The look and finishing ditails of The tiger 900 pro.
So i would like to expirement The tiger and Would consider to try The Suzuki 1050(it s heavier But what it matters is how you feel it,and it s also very reliable.
The Tiger is a more 'luxurious'/comfortable bike than the Tracer 900, but you might miss the excitement of that Yamaha engine.
You really must adjust the damping front and back on this bike to understand its range, any bike in fact. Damping is linked to rider modes (rear only on this bike) and by selecting RAIN mode you have selected a rider mode with a lightly damped rear shock, no wonder it felt soft. RAIN mode backs damping right off in an attempt to keep the rubber in contact with that damp road. What I suggest you do with any Triumph with electronically adjustable suspension is “disassociate” damping from rider modes. Now you can change rider modes to your hearts content and keep the rear shock damping level to your preference. I am surprised you felt it had little oomph? RAIN mode does clip its wings, you need to be in road or sport for full power. Front fork compression and rebound take two seconds to adjust from fully damped to lightly damped. You should fully adjust one way then the other (in conjunction with the rear) to find the range available and settle somewhere that suits you. Part of your premium price is for this adjustability, you can transform the ride with very little effort. You must do better on suspension! 😬👍.
Suspension was fine, no criticism there. I played about with the riding modes, but they seemed to affect jerkiness rather than performance. I don't feel the need for electronic suspension on any bike, as I very rarely carry luggage or a pillion.
I really liked the the new Tracer 9 GT
But would probably choose the simple 850GT which has a touch more torque only losing 3 hp on the dyno to the 900s on top… if it only had cruise control.
The Yamaha loses my vote due to very low ground clearance and 17” wheel as well as it’s ‘scuba steve’ clocks.
Lol @ Scuba Steve😀 I agree about the Tiger 850, probably the best puck of the range
It’s a higher price point & class, but if you get the opportunity to ride the new HD Pan America it might entice you and certainly looks different! Enjoy your break
Thanks, Andrew. The Pan America is getting some good reviews, but I don't think I could ever get past the weird front styling :)
@@RocketMan_Moto I get that, but I’d love to hear your thoughts regarding how you think it stacks up👍
The HD dealer is not too far from me, so I'll see what I can do. I'm waiting to try the new Sportster, too :)
Tracer has markedly limited suspension travel compared to the Tiger and also wider tyres. It's pretty clear that Yamaha really didn't consider the Tracer as an off road bike despite being labelled as "adventure". Tiger is not a great off-road bike in GT version but at least it is a bit capable.
I agree. I'm in the market now for an adventure bike and have more or less ruled the Tracer out, because of the zero off-road abilities. Thanks for your feedback :)
Why can’t Triumph, like BMW, fit auxiliary lights that look OEM rather than off the top shelf from Halfords? They’re effective but look naff.
I agree they do look a bit AliExpress
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@@RocketMan_Moto Thanks, very kind of you.
I tested both of these before i bought the tiger last year, it wins hands down in my opinion
The Tracer has the punchier engine, but the Tiger is 'nicer' overall, imo :)
@@RocketMan_Moto yes agreed
I do not believe it's the same set up on the speed. The Tiger do sent get th brembo RCS master cylinder. I agree, I expected the brakes to be better on my tiger 900 RP and this is the reason. Good been ales, but not what you'd expect when stylema is mentiones
You're probably right about the setup. Triumph must have dialled back some of the aggressiveness on the Tiger, but it's still a bit disappointing. Ride safe :)
In case you don't know, the headlight issue you criticise on the Tracer 9 is done the same way on the Tiger 🤷
What headlight issue are you referring to?
Quote: I can't get over these styling decisions like having only one of the two headlights on when using low beam (12:08)
Ok
Must have missed this: what's the new bike then?
All will be revealed in a couple of weeks. But it's not the Tiger... :)
@@RocketMan_Moto I await with great anticipation. And wish you all the smiles :) Portugal is a lovely place to live. Can't beat the 50c espresso and all that torrada ❤️
Haha, yes delicious😊
Tracer 900 GT 100%. Had the tiger and found it a bit dull. A great bike, but a bit vanilla and the engine was buzzy not that punchy.
The Yamaha is definitely more sporty... but that clock??
Yes, but I’d still go with the Yamaha. The GTPro is such a Jack of all trades (perfect all rounder) that it lacks character. And above 4500rpm is vibrates like crazy. Sold mine after 4 months.
I didn’t notice the vibration issue
KTM 890 Adv S for the win. Bags of character and fast.
It's on my list of bikes to try :)
@@RocketMan_Moto Also the KTM Duke 890 R for possibly the best mid range naked.
Also on my list. Hoping dealers will have more demo bikes available once the pandemic subsides a bit :)
Actually there's a tiny mistake on your video, when you said "welcome back to the algarve" you were still in the Baixo Alentejo (first 8 seconds of the video).
Yep I'm picky!
That N2 between Dogueno and São Brás de Alportel is a great road for having fun with a bike, not so much with a car or a camping car, way too many bends.
Haha, you're quite right. Well spotted! I agree about the N2 - fabulous :)
@@RocketMan_Moto well next time you take that road, do a stop at that location, OK?
Bring a swim suit!
37,3684090, -7,9688222
I'll try and remember :)
@@RocketMan_Moto natural spring water pool with tape to fill up water bottles, area to lay down, toilets, and (if I remember well) BBQs.
You guys have a nice evening. Bye now
The 9 GT dash does suck. I'll wait for the 9 GT+ if it comes to the States. I Like Triumph but I'm a bit wary of the Service I'd get
in the US.
The new 9 GT+ dash is a lot nicer, but I don't think they're putting it on the base models
Funny thing is you have been looking for more poke all along yet you are doing the same thing with the Triumph, it's easy , go with the Tracer 9GT. It's so obvious and you'll learn to live with the clocks.
You may be right😊👍
I think Triumph dropped the ball with this model. For a modern 900 it's well down on power compared to the competition. The GT Pro being marketed as the more sporty road version would be better fitted with a 17 inch front wheel. Cheers and ride safe.
Thanks, Boz. I totally agree. Ride safe :)
You were riding in rain mode, than you say it is not exciting. That is what rain mode for. :)
I tried all the modes
What were Yamaha thinking with that ridiculous display? Tiger 900 would easily be my winner.
I agree the Tracer’s clocks are very poor. Pity, because the rest of the bike is fine.
If you have it rain mode the brakes aren't going to appear to be that good.
Don’t think the Mode affects the brakes, does it?
Really, the dash on the new Tracher900 keeps you from buying one despite a much better engine. I rather have a good funny bike than some lukewarm bike.
Don't mind the dash so much.
XSR900 owner
I agree that you probably get over the dash. It's a difficult call...
Neither of them. I reckon the Triumph Tiger 850 Sport is better value. And looks really good. The expensive GT Pro is a handsome bike, though. The Yamaha is unattractive to me. Awful clocks and ugly fairing. Yamaha for reliability? The question mark is not a typo.
I am fighting the urge for the new Harley-Davidson Sportster 1250S. How about one of those next year, RM?
I like the look of the new Sportster S, bit expensive, though. I agree the Tiger 850 is a good alternative and that the Tracer is just too weird looking, like most Yamahas at the moment :)
@@RocketMan_Moto Yes, Yamaha have gone for the weird look.
MT07??!🤪
@@RocketMan_Moto The headlight looks odd on the MT-07 and 09. The XSR looks good. Both of them.
Agree, for a warm dry climate I think it would have to be the 850 Sport for superb value. No need for 6-Axis IMU’s with a warm tyre and dry roads.
New bike Speed Twin I guess.
Plenty of torque, beefy brakes, good fit & finish... Poor rear shocks, though...
@@RocketMan_Moto I know you should not have to on a new bike but easily fixed with a set of Hagon units.
Lack of poke ! While you are waiting for your new bike , try and test these bikes , Suzuki GSXS 750 - 1000F , BMW R1000 , Honda Fireblade , Yamaha MT10 , R1 Kawasaki Z900 , Ninja 1000 , Aprila;s new models , would like to see , hear your views on these machines . Guessing the Trumpet is not for you lol .
Yes, I like power, but more in the sense of effortless than out-and-out sport😊
My Gixuss 750 is a Cane Corso, my cb500x is a Chocolate Labrador.😋
@@RocketMan_Moto That cool ,most bikers/riders want more , thing is you are not going to get much more from a water cooled 500cc twin , unless its tuned as in cams ,ignition and fueling ,which will probably make it unrideable on the road !
Very true :)
@@RocketMan_Moto Have you seen/heard of/booked a test ride/ridden the new Triumph Tiger 850 , same engine as the 900 ,less bells and whistles !
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Encore une 'loi' qui n'en était pas une..? Merci pour les infos et bonne route :)
Tiger is a great bike, but for me its too tall and top heavy when compared to the new 2021 Tracer 9gt. All this coming from a short rider. Imo… cheers
I didn't find the Tiger especially top heavy, but I am quite tall, so I guess that helps a bit :)
I would prefer cb500x for 6k £ for solo traveling ;)
The 500X would make a good solo bike. Relatively easy to pick up, for one...