How To Set Your Gain When Recording
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 พ.ค. 2019
- What level should you record at to get a professional sound with minimal noise?
Recording at the right level is important when trying to get a professional sound. In this video, We will look at:
1) Avoiding background noise
2) Getting a full and balanced tone
3) Inspiring confidence in your recording
The differences in sound when recording at different levels were far smaller than I expected and could really be down to the sight change in position and manufacturing tolerances. I was expecting there to be a lot of background noise in the quiet recording but there was almost none! It's amazing what can be done with modern equipment. - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
Recording at the right level is important when trying to get a professional sound. In this video, We will look at:
1) Avoiding background noise
2) Getting a full and balanced tone
3) Inspiring confidence in your recording
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Yea yea I can hear it. Yea it is interesting.... (me listening on 20 dollar headphones) awsome video!
I was hearing the room more in the lower one
Awesome!!
I would take an educated guess and say the reason the 2 recordings sound slightly different is due to the position of the mics rather than what volume you recorded at. Even though they are very close together, just a small difference in relation of the mics to the instrument can cause a noticeable difference in sound. Micing is a science in itself.
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Amazing demonstration!! Excellent work Michael!! This was extremely helpful to all of us, no matter what your level of experience!! Marvellous work!! The Lewitt is a near zero noise microphone, amazing value for money!
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I've never considered that there may be a difference psychologically between looking at a weak signal versus a strong one. That was an interesting and unexpected observation. Kudos.
You are too much my boss, the top level sounds more clearer than the low level thanks for this video, pastor emma from Ghana.
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I notice my vocal recordings have the thinner line signal and I've been quite worried about that. I discussed it with a pal today, and your video divinely comes in and addresses the issue. My confidence is up now man.
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Definitely one of my bigger insecurities about creating music.
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Lots of respect for allowing yourself to say what you really saw here instead of trying to find a difference that wasn’t there. I was expecting the same thing and I actually reversed back thinking somehow there was a mistake but nope...you got it!
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i been struggling with trying to decide how hot to set my pre for years. thanks for this. much needed. subbed
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Thanks for this! Finally someone did a reasonably scientific comparison of this issue (i.e., without obvious confounds). Well done!
Finally someone bold enough to prove this point. Thank you!
Excellent 🙌🙌🙌 and thank you so much. I was confused about the -18 suggested level for recording. My electric guitars sounds superb peaking at -3. Now I’m recording my amps again with shure 57, 58, beta 58, royer 121, akg 414 and so. Neve 1073lb preamps, apogee symphony mkII as the converter. Noise was never an issue. But the richest juicy full magic tones of electric guitars I found them at levels of -3. So thank you again👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Great video, I was surprised my the results! I also figured there would be some extra noise. Thanks for doing this!
Love your videos man! They are so informative and interesting. Would have loved to see Pro-Q EQ match function comparing both signals, cause I could hear a difference in the top end.
This video is really interesting and helpful. People are saying mic placement but I think what’s causing the difference is interface’s internal physical preamp gain. They are indeed analog, so I think they affect non-linear so that’s exactly why they sound different when volumes are digitally matched.
However, this comes down to this question. Which is better? I can’t really judge which is better. I felt both has different advantages.
What do you think about this point?
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Fantastic analysis and very insightful comment on instilling confidence by recording with a robust level of gain!
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Hey Michael! I like how you speak in a calm and relaxing way
Gosh, did I need this. Recording opera singers with an H4, and confidence was lagging today..... thank you sooooo much!
Yeah. When it comes to quality gear the converters are pretty clear and noise and hiss is typically much lower. But when you use cheaper equipment the converters tend to get a bit crunchy when hit harder and tend to get brittle and crackly at low volumes.
I teach my students -12dB is pretty healthy and even on cheaper equipment it’s pretty clear and artifact free. I link them your videos as well since the explanations are nice and clear. :)
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Brilliant! Loving the scientific approach!
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Thank you a lot for your videos. You are helping me a lot with recording. I always try to improve myself =)
this was really interesting. this is what we need.thank you
I’ve been searching the internet for this for a long time. Thank you. I record synths and they cover a huge frequency span so you have to record so low and then increase gain. I always think it’s distorting the recording but then im not sure. I think my eyes are playing tricks on my ears.
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I enjoyed the video. Regarding the concept of confidence, it helps me to record my flute with a little less gain, because I have confidence to play out in the upper register without clipping. When playing the flute any type of tension can cause, especially, tone problems. So not worrying about clipping helps improve the performance. Yes, I do complete a sound check in the various registers, but playing “live” seems to always be a bit louder. Regarding the size of the waveform, I simply would raise it before a customer sees it. I would do this anyway before I listen.
8:30 This is a good point. So when I recorded with a guitarist, i actually put on a Master Bus Comp, followed by some basic Mid Side processing. It made the backing track sound louder and fuller, where as without those effects the track sounded a bit raw and a bit lifeless.
Of course when the recording is done I will strip all that stuff out and begin from scratch to get a fresh mix.
Really useful video, keep up the amazing work
Bro,u just helped me understand the difference between rms and peak value. Been recording vocals at minus18dbfs,now i no why I never got the desired tone and feel. Gain staging is useless when a beginner doesn't understand the different types of meter and how to read them. Thanks alot again. Taylor magic from Nigeria that's in Africa
The difference in tone between the two recordings could come down to the slightly different placement of the mics as opposed to the input gain
Yes, 100% as loudness correction has no way of "colouring" a sound.
Definitely. No two mics sound the same either.
This test requires a parallel cable into two pres so that you are comparing the same capsule.
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Hey Michael, I'm new to your channel. This is cool! I have been playing the electric guitar for a few years in church and at home. I like the tone on the high gain more than the one of on the lower gain.
Great test with no mucking about cheers!
Super interesting thank you for sharing sir
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Awesome work man - I for one did hear a difference in the tone of the guitar between hi and lo. Hi felt as you said a bit more rich in that it had a very subtle natural reverb. While the lo actually had a lo in where I experienced a sound with a slight bit of bass between each strum.
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And excellent input there. Kudos. :)
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I love your videos man! Great in-depth video about something that can be easily overlooked.
I'm actually surprised how close these track sound. I was sure that the quiet one would have more noise even when using a decent mic. However, audient has a great preamp so this might have something to do with that as well. Awesome video man, nice work
Thanks! Yeah I surprised myself and wasn't expecting it to match the noise identically...
Great video. You're a genius.
Very nice video, I like the recording and
I normally record at (around) -12dB/-6dB-peaks (at 16bit/48Khz) or -18dB/-12dB-peaks (at 96Khz 24bit) obtaining a nice dynamic and well defined sound than lower values of recording levels...You say right, the noise is something to decrease as much as possible before to record something and...after, using a noise gate to automatically cut-off the intervals between a word or phrase to another...
08:55 the second microphone which records in low voice is sounding like more bass boosted than other
Okay thanks try to think about that in my next project
When recording with true analog equipment, input volume is incredibly important. Hitting your pre amps, EQ and compressors with the right amount of gain is paramount. Although, there is room for interpretation in terms of saturation and colour.
The open rule of an RMS of -18DBFS is a good starting point for a recommend gain structure. Although this is open for interpretation, depending on the musical role of an instrument and the saturation required for the genre.
Most analog equipment manuals will tell you to hit the equipment with a particular amount of gain in order to achieve optimal sound colouration. Usually around the RMS of -18DBFS.
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Just what I needed! Thanks! By the way, it is possible that microphones are not 100% identical, that is what they sound a little bit different
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I just got done recording myself for the first time on vibraphone, and I hate to admit it, but I am definitely in the 'low low levels' camp. I had to boost the gain in logic so much to get it to sound. Luckily, I had access to some really nice equipment through my university, so I didn't have noise issues. Still, I definitely need to practice more.
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I enjoyed this video it was very well done. I also like a healthy level when recording, the only thing to be mindful of is gain staging while mixing, otherwise all those hot signals will kill your mix buss RIP. Also some plug-ins sound better when not fed an overly hot signal, you know, that mystical sweet spot 🤓
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I like the low input gain. Because I feel the more dynamic on it. And very much clear. Other hand you have more head room to tweak and make the sound more better. Because in audio recording head room is very important. I strongly believe. -18 LUFS input gain always good to start. And very good video. Nice explain.
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Bro! Thanks for this important information.
1. We also need a tutorial on How to mix Vocals of Two singers or more. (DT s) and Choir
2. Surround mixing.
Please make videos on these two if you really think they are useful.
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If an artist that had a vocal with a very dynamic range were going over one of the two recordings I'd choose the top one because there is less "distraction" on that recording as opposed to the second recording where I heard a lot of little details that would sound nice accompanied by a vocal with little dynamic range or a track where the vocal is not the main focus. Idk if that makes sense but that's how I perceive what's going on. Thanks for the tutorial and tips!
Thankyou for making the video
I had the same misconception going in when it came to the noise! Crazy
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I think this whole "introducing noise when gain staging a low signal" is mainly focused on pushing the signal after compression. That could be why you did not experience the effect you expected with the low signal. Isn't that the most crucial step in your effect chain regarding noise? Have you tried compressing it before you add the gain?
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Hi Mike and thanks for wonderful tutorials😍, may you make a tutorial or explain about difference between pick , rms , db and UV !? Please it's so important for me
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Gotta say this video has definitely taken away my fear and worries of recording a little too quiet or too loud... as long as the signals are not clipping, I can always increase or decrease the volume in my DAW. The tone quality demonstrated in this video is noticeable, but it's not as significant to the point we should spend our time debating which is better. Great video!
Other factors come to play as well such as the preamp/interface you’re using, the type of mic, and the mic placement. If you have a cheap preamp/interface, they tend to be noisier due to its electrical components.
@@tylerdengler6960 I'm using Scarlett 2i2 and AT2020, I guess that's good enough at least for entry level wise?
@@namede6210 I’d say so. Personally you gotta experiment and see what works with you whether you like to be conservative with levels or really like to push them. Noise floor isn’t a big deal now compared to the 50s to the 80s with the analog gear. But, just be considerate on not to introduce any unwanted noise or clip/distort upon recording.
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The difference is surprisingly small! Looks like it's completely safe to record much quieter in many cases. Targeting averages somewhere between -24 dBFS and -18 dBFS depending on the noise floor of your preamp. -18 dBFS is a good RMS average if you use plug-ins emulating analog gear.
As learner with a capital bloody "L" this has been the stuff of my nightmares. Should I, shouldn't I, -18,-14.......Its been driving me doolally. Thanks for the very concise and understandable explanation.
Definitely hear a difference. The top one sounds full, where as the bottom sounds a little bit reverberized, as well as the top end feels a bit eqed out.
Very good demonstration. I am hearing a bit more treble tone from the second recording. But warmer to me is what I prefer in most cases. If you have a video on maximizing output during playback please send a link. I can never get a strong output on a home recording on my receiver end as when I pop in a professional CD. Seems like my volume knob has to increase about 1/3 more. Thanks for the tips I will check out for your Vid's.
Definitely hear a cleaner sound in the higher gain setting version. I feel the lower gain setting with amplified gain later has almost like a higher resonance/reverb sound -- which could just be the subtle enhancement of the noise that is also amplified (could be all in my head, but just my thoughts).
I think the tonal difference in the two guitars might just be the 2 inch difference in mic placement. What are your thoughts on using the normalising feature to make everything the same level? Will it help to make sure the mix plugins are hit at the right level? I was always cautious of doing it because of the potential to introduce noise, but it seems that concern was misplaced in light of what you've just shown.
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So one thing that I do with my mic is run low gain to avoid using a noise gate. This is super use specific during streaming.
I have not found at all that running almost literally zero gain on my interface umc204hd, gives me extra noise when compressing and adding makeup gain. I also basically need to have my lips against the mic to get the signal I need but I don't have any issues mixing or needing to eq or denoise anything. Mic-interface-compressor-reverb is all the chain is for vocal during streaming. I actually boost highs in the channel mix and cut mids because I find I have a "nasal" sounding voice naturally and cutting mids and adding highs seems to remove that slightly stuffed nose sound I have naturally.
i hear a frequency in the quiet guitar part's tone. Maybe the room's resonating frequency is louder when you boost it that much?