I think because there's only so much room to add the longer tubes to make it UEL. Sacrifices must be made for the rumble. 😅 The vent could still be removed from the under tray if you wanted to still install the under tray.
@@bobsmith-qz2pv also more than 1 defect with the ejs . Oil starvation was bad and crank shaft creating to much friction/heat was also causing head gasket issues
SPOKEN LIKE SOMEBODY WHO HAS NO FKN IDEA WTF THEYRE TALKING ABOUT..JUST REGURGITATING SOME PHRASE YOUVE PICKED UP AROUND OTHER DIPSHIT INTERNET EXPERTS. UEL'S WILL HAVE ZERO BEARING ON RELIABILITY. DIPSHIT THOUGHT PATTERNS HOWEVER WILL SEVERELY LIMIT ENGINE LONGEVITY. EJ25'S HIGH COMPRESSION RINGLAND LOCATION WAS DONE BY SUBARU ENGINEERS FOR LESS N0X AND BETTER EMISSIONS BUT WAS BAD FOR BOOSTED ENGINES/RELIABILITY/LONGEVITY. THE FA24 HAS A SMALLER BORE AND LONGER STROKE THAN THE EJ 25 THIS ALLOWING THEM TO LOWER THE POSITION OF THE FA24DIT'S TOP RINGLAND. THE FA24 IS A WAY BETTER BLOCK BUT SUBARU COULD HAVE DONE BETTER WITH OILING ONCE AGAIN WITH THE OIL PICK UP AND THE FACT THAT THE OIL GOES FROM THE PUMP AND SPLITS 50/50 WITH THE MAIN JOURNALS AND HEADS. MOST SERIOUS PERFORMANCE ENGINES FEED ALL THE OIL FROM THE PUMP TO THE MAIN BEARINGS AND THEN THE RESULTING LOWER PRESSURE OIL IS FEED TO THE HEADS..NO ENGINE IS PERFECTLY DESIGNED AND THE AFTERMARKET ALWAYS HAS TO COME UP WITH SMART SOLUTIONS. ALSO ANYONE WANTING ANY BOOSTED BOXER ENGINE TO SURVIVE AS LONG AS POSSIBLE NEEDS AN AIR/OIL SEPERATOR AND BETTER PICK UP.WITH SUBARUS IVE SEEN ALOT OF CAVITATED OIL LEADING TO OIL STARVATION.
I’m curious on the effects it does to the engine for the long term. We all know what happened to the EJ cause of how the UEL are. Sounds is always nice to have however most people really modifying their stis always went equal length as it has more pros then cons. I guess time will tell
From dynos I've seen it makes the torque come later in the powerband and it does hurt performance overall a little. Also it's just not healthy to run a UEL header on a twin scroll turbo which was designed to have an EL header.
Thought about getting them a while back asked on Reddit if anyone had done it and it ended up being a lot of people saying not to do it. One guy specifically said. “Running unequal length headers on a VB is not a good idea as it will cause uneven wear on the cylinders and also will rob you of power.”
There’s a really good right up on Reddit by some engineering nerd. He took a bunch of actual temps and numbers from the car tuning both EL and UEL. There’s a big issue with UEL headers not allowing the exhaust to be scavenged well enough. This leads to not cylinders and valve issues. It’s nothing dramatic. But would be an issue over time.
@@4doors671 agree, I prefer UEL any day. I know there is a positive thing with EL but if you get Aftermarket UEL, is way better then OEM anyways, so the flow is way better.
I WISH A COMPANY WOULD MAKE UEL HEADERS WITH A HEAT SHIELD SIMILAR TO HOW THE MANIFOLD HAS..HEADERS GET SO DAMN HOT AND WILL ALL THE PLASTICS AND POSSIBILITIES OF SHORTING LIFE OF SEALS ETC. IT WOULD BE REALLY BENEFICIAL FOR PERFORMANCE AND RELIABILITY.
Won’t this decrease performance over a equal length tho? Sacrificing performance to objectively sound cool… idk. Not hating just making a point. Beautiful build! Thank you for your time.
This is definitely something that on prior models it did decrease performance when it was really pushed at high power. Sounds wicked though and I think what Bob said before is accurate on this one!
Yes, everything else being the same, the UEL header is less efficient than the EL header. This is purely for the sound. Although, compared to the stock exhaust manifold, the new UEL header may still have larger tubing which could make more power at higher boost levels vs the stock manifold. We'd need to do some dyno tests to really see the difference!
You'd likely never see a titanium header or even j-pipe as titanium gets brittle at real high temperatures due to being thinner walled. It would likely crack. This is where stainless is a better option! Also some of that would be way too expensive to market to Subaru owners haha.
That intro sound clips is omg amazing
all the Stu stu stu sounds!!
That’s what my WRX needs! 👏👏👏
Now just need that new tune! 😉 Sounds great! Looks great!
Wow it sounds so much better than the FA20 did with the UELs!
That extra 0.4L helps!
2.4 vs 2.0
Not sure why JDM Muscle would design something where the plastic under tray is unable to be reinstalled. Beautiful headers though.
I think because there's only so much room to add the longer tubes to make it UEL. Sacrifices must be made for the rumble. 😅
The vent could still be removed from the under tray if you wanted to still install the under tray.
Get over it 🤣 don’t buy aftermarket if you want to keep it stock 🤷
@@296redWhat? Your comment makes no sense. Modded doesn't mean leaving useful and important items off your car. Stop buying your mods at Vatozone.
Dang, sounds great!
We agree!
Pretty good! I'm an UEL lover myself, I don't think I'll ever switch to EL.
UEL definitely gives it that iconic Subaru rumble that people love!
HOLY. Makes my 22wrx sound like an electric vehicle 😭
So true😂😂
Mind boggling. The UEL manifold on my sti gives me such a headache and i can't wait to swap it out for an equal-length unit.
I need that neck light
UEL is where your problems will start. FA and FB blocks are ELH for a reason. Have fun with the ringlands
That is 100% not true, those exact same issues were there on EL header swapped cars
@bobsmith-qz2pv only on the old NA cars dude but ya
@@bobsmith-qz2pv also more than 1 defect with the ejs . Oil starvation was bad and crank shaft creating to much friction/heat was also causing head gasket issues
SPOKEN LIKE SOMEBODY WHO HAS NO FKN IDEA WTF THEYRE TALKING ABOUT..JUST REGURGITATING SOME PHRASE YOUVE PICKED UP AROUND OTHER DIPSHIT INTERNET EXPERTS. UEL'S WILL HAVE ZERO BEARING ON RELIABILITY. DIPSHIT THOUGHT PATTERNS HOWEVER WILL SEVERELY LIMIT ENGINE LONGEVITY. EJ25'S HIGH COMPRESSION RINGLAND LOCATION WAS DONE BY SUBARU ENGINEERS FOR LESS N0X AND BETTER EMISSIONS BUT WAS BAD FOR BOOSTED ENGINES/RELIABILITY/LONGEVITY. THE FA24 HAS A SMALLER BORE AND LONGER STROKE THAN THE EJ 25 THIS ALLOWING THEM TO LOWER THE POSITION OF THE FA24DIT'S TOP RINGLAND. THE FA24 IS A WAY BETTER BLOCK BUT SUBARU COULD HAVE DONE BETTER WITH OILING ONCE AGAIN WITH THE OIL PICK UP AND THE FACT THAT THE OIL GOES FROM THE PUMP AND SPLITS 50/50 WITH THE MAIN JOURNALS AND HEADS. MOST SERIOUS PERFORMANCE ENGINES FEED ALL THE OIL FROM THE PUMP TO THE MAIN BEARINGS AND THEN THE RESULTING LOWER PRESSURE OIL IS FEED TO THE HEADS..NO ENGINE IS PERFECTLY DESIGNED AND THE AFTERMARKET ALWAYS HAS TO COME UP WITH SMART SOLUTIONS. ALSO ANYONE WANTING ANY BOOSTED BOXER ENGINE TO SURVIVE AS LONG AS POSSIBLE NEEDS AN AIR/OIL SEPERATOR AND BETTER PICK UP.WITH SUBARUS IVE SEEN ALOT OF CAVITATED OIL LEADING TO OIL STARVATION.
Where can I get that bash bar???
Icy aero!!!
Excellent wheel tire fitment.
What are both specs?
I will see if I can get the owner of the car to reply!
im also interested@@TeamModGarageParts
let us know if you still have any questions, or would like to order some wheels and tires :) @@Strages_Powers
I would like to know what his tyre and wheel size are and what springs he is on :) @@TeamModGarageParts
@@TeamModGaragePartsany updates?
Wheres the full list of mods on this car?
my next mod ⏳🤙
How important is that PS vent? I put a primitive racing skid plate on last year which removes that plastic tray
Nice. It sounds better and is objectively superior to the STI.
Sounds so good
Couldn't agree more!!
those wheels are sick! what brand??
Looks like a set of BBS XRs
might be a silly question.. But, do you need a tune after the UEL header install?
Yes 100% need a tune
I’m curious on the effects it does to the engine for the long term. We all know what happened to the EJ cause of how the UEL are. Sounds is always nice to have however most people really modifying their stis always went equal length as it has more pros then cons. I guess time will tell
Great question!! We shall find out in the coming years!
These wrx have the FA engine
That's the point lol@@Sebastian_castillo
wow that sounds so good. i love my el but damn
Decisions, decisions haha
Will it also fit the Ascent?
What brand of exhaust do u use ?
No tune?
I am really curious to see how this affects the longevity of the engine, especially at higher power bands.
It doesn’t do anything to the engine, its exhaust side. It does however increase turbo lag as it spools the turbo inefficiently.
@@OsightblinderOThat's horrible
@@kbfan2424racecar
I would say at least three fiddy?
From dynos I've seen it makes the torque come later in the powerband and it does hurt performance overall a little. Also it's just not healthy to run a UEL header on a twin scroll turbo which was designed to have an EL header.
need this on my 2.4 outback xt
Sounds great! Does this require a tune?
Yes. They do require a tune
@@Subi_doo Per JDMmuscle you don't. BUT, to get the most performance a tune would be best. Will not cause a CEL on a stock car.
im really waiting to see the long term reliability of running these on the cars. I don't care much about a power loss if. I love the sound of these.
Thought about getting them a while back asked on Reddit if anyone had done it and it ended up being a lot of people saying not to do it. One guy specifically said. “Running unequal length headers on a VB is not a good idea as it will cause uneven wear on the cylinders and also will rob you of power.”
There’s a really good right up on Reddit by some engineering nerd. He took a bunch of actual temps and numbers from the car tuning both EL and UEL. There’s a big issue with UEL headers not allowing the exhaust to be scavenged well enough. This leads to not cylinders and valve issues. It’s nothing dramatic. But would be an issue over time.
What was the turnaround time for ordering one of these?
9 months lmao
Long term reliability.. what do y’all think?
Nice Body kit on back
Lol 😅, on previous models we change to EL headers but on FA24 they install UEL headers for the sound
To each their own haha.
Anytime anyone changes to UEL it’s because of the sound
@@4doors671 agree, I prefer UEL any day. I know there is a positive thing with EL but if you get Aftermarket UEL, is way better then OEM anyways, so the flow is way better.
Do i need a tune for this, i love the sound but not looking to tune my car
You need a tune if you put any kind of aftermarket headers on.
@@LongWalker730 i think im already risking it with a perrin intake without a tune lok
What are you doing for a tune? You most certainly need/or should want one with that UEL
We agree it's a good idea to get a new tune after doing an UEL header.
Probably going down to Oregon for a tune or PIA. But all my numbers look great!! Afr is great and no knock or dam drops yet after 2 days!
@@danielswitter1772how much have you driven it
@@yankpr1 I daily this car so already about 200-300 miles
How is the car holding up after daily driving it after the uel install and tune?
Does it need a tune after the header?
With the vb, you need to tune it for every mod including air intake.
Wtf where you get those taillights from?
Rexspeed/OLM taillights
Checkout our previous OLM taillight video!
@@themodgarage OR JDMUSCLE!!!
I WISH A COMPANY WOULD MAKE UEL HEADERS WITH A HEAT SHIELD SIMILAR TO HOW THE MANIFOLD HAS..HEADERS GET SO DAMN HOT AND WILL ALL THE PLASTICS AND POSSIBILITIES OF SHORTING LIFE OF SEALS ETC. IT WOULD BE REALLY BENEFICIAL FOR PERFORMANCE AND RELIABILITY.
What wheels are those ?
I can tell by them emblem they are enkei but I'm trying to figure out the model as well
Eyy I know this car 🤘🏼
It is a pretty dope car! The owner isn't half bad either ;) jk @danielswitter1772, you are awesome
Hell yeah bro!!
people coping so hard in these comments lmao
Ahhhh shit looks like im buying one
Won’t this decrease performance over a equal length tho? Sacrificing performance to objectively sound cool… idk. Not hating just making a point. Beautiful build! Thank you for your time.
This is definitely something that on prior models it did decrease performance when it was really pushed at high power. Sounds wicked though and I think what Bob said before is accurate on this one!
Yes, everything else being the same, the UEL header is less efficient than the EL header. This is purely for the sound. Although, compared to the stock exhaust manifold, the new UEL header may still have larger tubing which could make more power at higher boost levels vs the stock manifold. We'd need to do some dyno tests to really see the difference!
Drunkmann picked up 15hp and 25tq on the dyno
If they had an elh in titanium then best believe I’m buying😂
That would be dope, but I don't think they have those on the market for a few reasons.
You'd likely never see a titanium header or even j-pipe as titanium gets brittle at real high temperatures due to being thinner walled. It would likely crack. This is where stainless is a better option! Also some of that would be way too expensive to market to Subaru owners haha.
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I love UEL headers but this destroys the benefit of having a twin scroll turbo. this owner is clearly all about rice though
I don't get why people say it sounds like an sti. It doesn't even Remotely sound like an sti or even older wrx with uel.
it does LOL
@TheSKATINGChannel180 it doesn't lol. I got three friends with an sti. This isn't that.
@@ranran2218 I have 4 friends na na nana na. 🤣🤣🤣
Why!
Is that Tukwila? Lol
that's a lot of unnecessary trouble for a change in sound... 🌲🌲🌲
haha to each their own!
always the white military dudes with the wrxs lmao
Does not sound like a Subaru.
you clearly have never heard an sti in your life
@@123cornflakeman I drive 3 of them sir. 2011 and 2012s. 😭
Don’t see how this doesn’t relate to an sti bro….I drive with so many stis and all other kinds of subies daily….
what a fuckin girl