Subaru officially KILLED the 2025 WRX before its even out
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2025 WRX Base is DEAD. Subaru killed the base model for next year and honestly with all the prices updates and changes to the line up its going to be even harder for the WRX to stack up to the competition. The WRX was known as the car that can go toe to toe with more expensive cars. Now that isnt the case. The WRX hasnt gotten much faster but becomes more expensive year over year. What do you guys think?
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@@stronkworks idk what's happening. We are slowly losing more of the WRX identity. It's no longer the inexpensive semi feature rich turbo sedan we loved
They didn't discontinue it. Read Car and Driver.
Why are you spreading fabricated BS. The 2025 just got a price increase, the 25 did not get discontinued.
I can understand the price going up, but they are going to have to include 2 extra engines before I buy one.
@@HeavyMetalWRX That's subjective, I get what your saying.. but, I also owned a 2015 WRX Limited which I bought new as well in late 2014. Comparing apples to apples, the new VB WRX is substantially better in most areas. Many don't like the looks compared to previous gens, mainly the VB, and I was in that camp too. I was pretty disappointed with the VB when it was first announced. Well, it's grown a LOT on my over the 3'ish years since we started seeing them in the wild on the streets. I sold my VA WRX, and got into a VB WRX back in July, 2024. But comparing the VA to the VB (WRX Only), the VB has quite a few more 'features', if that's how were looking at them. I understand where your coming from, but comparing the VA to VB, last gen to current.. the VB has it beat. (looks, well.. to each their own, lol). Even my 2019 Outback has jumped in price substantially compared to the latest gen coming out. It's just going to be like that and how things are.
Subaru really expects people to pay Civic Type R and Golf R money for a WRX with no STI transmission or DCCD. It is the same engine and drivetrain as a 2022 base WRX that was sold for $30k.
Subaru needs to lay off the weed.
Yea I don't agree with the TS being 45k. The TR being 41 was also rough but at least it was just 2k more than a limited. Then I could say it's 2k for brembos.
Somebody at Subaru is drunk on the job and smoking some crack in the bathroom
The DCCD is more gimmick than anything else. 99% of people who own STI's dont use it for its intended purpose anyway. All that torque vectoring etc is just a waste. the wrx smokes CTRs all day with just 5k in mods. and is still far cheaper than the 60k most dealers pay. I owned the FK8 before my VB, and also own an 05 STI. The VB is a very very good platform, and killer value. The Golf R has a garbage awd system and is FWD biased, so not really a comparison either. Sure with the DCT it can be super super fast in a strait line, but who wants to buy thousands in separate tools just work on it. the WRX competes with GTI's and Civic SI's
people say its inflation...but this doesn't change the fact that cars are WORST and people pay more for WORST.
The TR Brembos are more like 3.5-4k in price. You can't even buy a Civic R for msrp, they want 10-15k in markups.
Damn. The new cars keep increasing in price while my 22 is getting murdered in depreciation. One of the reasons I bought a Subaru was thinking it would hold value better so I could eventually trade up to a Supra. Now I think the better value will just be to mod this to mid 300's, drive the wheels off, and enjoy no car payment soon!
Fr, I figured the BRZ cost way more than I paid and they wanted to give me peanuts so I bought winter tires. Cars three years old and the shop thought it was brand new.
Was about to say you had me in the first half. I plan on owning my 22' for as long as I live.
How much did it depreciate?
@@davidzebar6876 My premium with some goodies was 36k, 40otd, but currently trade in is around 25k.
@@Roadwarriorex that was my decision as well
I was able to snag a 24 base WRX for $29k back in September. Grab em while you can, dudes!
@@Modjira for real. If you want a base nowa still the time to get one.
Got my 2024 base for $30k out the door in July, so glad I was able to get one. Such a great value!!
Wow! You both got better deals than I did. I got my base with STI short throw package for 33k 😮
32k for a premium on October with .90% finance
@@isaacchavez1425 I kinda find those deals hard to believe tbh.. especially the OTD price. Kinda a pics or it didn't happen moment. lol I got a pretty killer deal on my '24 Premiums during local 4th of July sales and paid substantially more. I was just about fully optioned out for what you can get on the Premium trim, but still. 🤔
I'm still dailying my 2019 STI. My STI was $40K.
Daily my 2017, bone stock at $30k.
Subaru is making foolish decisions. They need to keep 1 wrx, the premium, sell it at base trim price 30k, then bring back the STI and sell it at TR price 42k. Just like the way they always did it since 2004....
At this point, not making the STi is still a head scratcher for me. As it stands with the current lineup, 45k for a WRX TS is a tough pill to swallow. I have had the opportunity to drive a Type-R and that thing feels leagues beyond the WRX in braking, handling, and especially acceleration. Inflation is what it is but at that price point, Subaru should have just released an STI VB with 50 more HP than the WRX to even be comparable to a Type-R.
The new suspension, brakes, and handling on the TS should make a big difference but the power train is what needs an upgrade for VB to make it truly special. At least as special as the Type-R as those are amazing.
Emissions are to blame, they can't make a new sti
@SoulEraser000 Not sure I understand why any other performance car exist based on that argument.
600 hp Porsches can be made, V8 Mustang's, Supra's, GR Corolla's, etc, but not an STI? 🤷♂️
This is how I feel as well. Everyone else is allowed to have performance ecars but we can't? You'd think Subaru has enough carbon credits considering the ENTIRE rest of the lineup is npc cars ☠️
They dont really want to put out a STI with the fa24dit and the sti 2.0 is outdated "emissions" wise so they would have to put a lot of changes in that engine to make relevant changes
A civic R is only 2 seconds faster around a typical race track, plus with the markups it is $15k more. If you just do intake and tune on the wrx it will smoke civic r. The GR Corolla can't even do a track session without overheating and shutting down. 😂 Volkswagons are a no go.
If Subaru just went with the STI transmission on the TR that would perfectly justify a 45k price for that specific trim, but it is getting to a point where people start to see other options.
People have always seen other options, the STI was a slow outdated pig. Sure it has a great trans, but the EJ257 is a dinosaur. ive owned 3 of them, and currently own an 05. It isnt some super car because it has 25 more hp and a better trans.
I think it truly hits home when you're cross shopping these with used cars. A used 2018-2021 STI with the improved suspension, slightly enhanced EJ, and 6 pot 2 pot big STI brakes, cost $25k in California with less than 70k miles.
With that 10k difference for a base WRX you can do literally do all the reliability and tech amenity upgrades you need....
That's such a gross on Subaru's side to do that, you gotta be a Subaru die hard to get 25' WRX over GR Corolla. Way to kill sales. Personally, I will spend few more dollars and get 5.0 mustang.
@@gaivoron I mean I still don't know if I'd get a great Corolla considering Toyota has acknowledged the shortcomings of the 3 cyl. Once you put aftermarket in the picture the other cars do lose their lead but still ...it's hard to believe the pricing.
Not necessarily, they're not in the same boat. Not everyone wants a high strung 3 cylinder.
I was thinking the same. My '22 WRX is a whole different animal for me. If it had cost any more than it did I'd have just stuck with my Mustangs and other V8 muscle cars that I've always had before.
Just a few short years ago my driveway consisted of a Crosstrek, an Impreza, a WRX and a BRZ. Now I have a CX-30 turbo (because Subaru refuses to make a CUV with any sort of power), an MX-5 (because the BRZ wasn’t as good and I should have bought the MX-5 the first time), and a Type R, because Subaru killed the STI but wants STI money for one of the ugliest cars on the road right now.
Was a huge Subaru guy. If they keep doing what they’re doing, I’ll never own another Subaru again.
I sure am glad I bought my 2024 base when I did. Heated seats was really the only item I wish it had, but not worth the extra expense to go premium. Everything I own gets a new set of plus sized rims to make them unique, so the factory 17" size didn't bother me.
The premium also came with push start, oem rear spoiler, heated mirrors, and fog lights which base didn't have. The 25 premium does have a few extra options previous years didn't have.
The only thing on the TR/TS I'd want is the Brembos, but I don't want 19" rims. I prefer mechanical guages over digital and don't like the blue on the TS seats.
I agree with you 100% on everything that you are talking about. Everything keeps getting overpriced, and there’s no reason for it. Inflation or not what everything is priced at today whether it’s cars homes whatever it’s not worth it and the unfortunate part is we’re all stuck with it.
I’ll stay with my 2020 wrx limited, I installed fortune autos coil
Overs, ap racing brakes. It’s my daily and she’s almost paid for. I’ll be keeping my hands on it for a long time
Some nice tasteful mods/upgrades.
Take it from me once you cross over into the fully paid for territory. NEVER get rid of the car unless you absolutely have no other choice but to. lol
Limited Manual $41,300 with no Brembos or STi transmission? No thank you. I'll keep my Hyperblue STi...lol. And thanks for making this video. Keep the pressure on them and keep asking the tough questions. Only way things get better.
At least they still manufacture them. This whole segment is going the way of the EVO soon.
When the tariffs kick in Subaru will either have to start making wrx in America or they’ll just axe the whole car
The fa24 must be the only saving grace to the VB
@@-xcess7745 there is still a lot to like but with 2025 they are asking way too much and not giving enough back.
Hello, what do you know about Subaru sti 2021 which would be better a Hyundai lentra n 2025 or the Subaru sti 2021 I ask because I don't know which one is to take to do it up to 400 hp or 500hp
Correct me if I’m wrong but if the cost of the 2025’s went up wouldn’t an interested buyer be more likely to buy a used WRX? I currently have a 22 limited thinking about going back to a BRZ.
The Elantra N with a manual transmission at $34,000 with 276hp and 289lb-ft of tq is worthy of being bought. The GR Corolla Core trim with 300hp and 273lb-ft of tq at $39,000 is worthy of being bought. Step up to the Premium trim (formerly the Circuit Edition) and get +22lb-ft of tq extra for $42,000 and Premium Plus (formerly the Morizo Edition) also with the same amount of tq for $46,000 and change and even if it's a $205.00, that's worthy of being bought.
The 2025-2026 MK8.5 Golf R, although it no longer has a manual transmission, with 315hp and 288lb-ft of torque at $45,000 is worthy of being bought. The FL5 Civic Type R with 315hp and 310lb-ft of tq at $44,000 (if you can find one at MSRP) is worthy of being bought. To throw a curveball, if you want to pay an extra $6,000-$7,000 and get the Integra Type S and get 320hp and 310lb-ft of tq, as long as you can look past no memory seats, you will get way more car for the money and that too is worthy of being bought over the WRX tS.
At $46,875, the WRX tS is 2021 VA gen WRX STI Limited and 2020 WRX STI Series White money and the VB gen WRX tS is most certainly not an STI. In the 2025 calendar year, Subaru of Japan and Subaru of America had better call a major audible and reverse course on no VB gen WRX STI and put the STI in production, even if it's just for 3 model years for the 2026-2028 model years. If their excuse is that they don't have an engine for it, they can go to Porsche and get the 718 Boxster's 2.5T Flat Four engine that makes 350hp and 309lb-ft of tq. That is more than sufficient to be worthy of an STI.
If Subaru still insists they won't do an STI, then this should immediately be the final generation of anymore WRX's because no Subie WRX and STI fans and owners will want a hybrid CVT-only WRX, nor a remote control transmissionless WRX STe EV because that's not the roots of the WRX and STI and no one is asking for the so-called future model Subaru wants to spew out that their customer base is not even asking for.
You've said it all man
You are comparing limited run higher trim models with Halo cars. They arent the same. The CTR is 60k at dealers still, and integrat Type S is 55-60k still. The corolla while starting to get better, is still marked way up in some places. Have you owned an STI? I currently own the best NA version, the 05, and I owned 2 VA STI's, a 2015 and a 2017, and not one of them can touch my VB. Sure the 05 is super analogue and head turning, but its cheap inside, and drives like an old tractor. Subaru is still a small company, and the fact that we get the WRX at all is a blessing. you guys all need to stop this nonsense. Just get a used base, for like 25k and enjoy it.
But a manual awd sport suddenly. Is where ppl decided I'd love me a new civic type r or elantria n but they are awd and kinda would like that
@coreydugre6540 To each their own. There's nothing wrong with that. If that's the selling point for you and other buyers, that's what you all like. I wouldn't take that away from you or anyone else who wants it just for the AWD.
In generalization, it's just a one trick pony of a car. It does nothing else, but give you grip at all 4 wheels. Personally, it doesn't sound appealing for me, maybe because I live in Florida and AWD is not necessary nor needed where I am at. If anyone gets AWD in FL, it's because they want it, not because they need it.
I’m glad I got my brand new 2024 Limited Ignition Red WRX six speed for SIX Grand UNDER MSRP. I was about to get a premium but decided it was time for a limited as I have had many Premium WRXs before. I also had a 2018 GTI that I got brand new back in 2018 which I also got for six grand UNDER msrp back then. You just have to negotiate and have dealers competing against each other via emails. I never stepped foot into the dealer until I had it written that we would be 15% under msrp
Right the whole point of buying and suggesting the VB was the amount of value (turbo, AWD, 4door, manual trans etc) you got for a cheap price! Which you could get into bases and premiums for $30k or less in 2022. I’m glad I order mine in April 2022.. sitting at 8900 miles 😂
I bought a 2024 base model 2 months ago. My car came with the full screen infotainment system and eyesight tech. I paid $30k.
Still don't know what the price of the WRX TS will be in Canada, but the TR is $44k here, so at least a couple more than that I would assume... As far as competition for that though, the Civic TypeR is $54k , the 2024 Golf R starts at $50k, the GR Corolla about $50k... At least in Canada, the TS still might be the cheaper option among performance cars
$35k WRX Premium is was pretty much expected really (+ a little bit of inflation). More of the options that are in the premium are now Standard. My 2024 WRX Premium starting price was $34.7 (MSRP), so already creeping up on that $35.5k that the 2025 will be starting at. After I optioned out my Premium, I was looking at $38.5k (not including taxes, destination fees, etc). Unless you just want a new car, you're better off buying used anywho. Especially if you don't want the Subaru Eyesight system, which is standard on the 2024+ WRX models. I didn't like the Eyesight system at first in my '24 WRX, but some of the features have really grown on me.. especially for long road trips. Otherwise I disable most of the features when going on 'spirited' drives.
Anywho, the small price hike for the '25 WRX premium is just a given considering you extra standard features and the additional Eyesight features. YOU as a buyer just need to decide if it's worth it for you.. If not, there is a better used car market for 2022-2023 WRX's. But, as many of you know.. You are talking a gamble on how the previous owner treated that car. (that's why I bought new). 🤙🤙
My 2015 WRX Limited MSRP (including the options I chose) was almost $35k. Just throwing that out there.. :)
Yea but it's not 35k it's effectively 37k. So the base price to enter a WRX has now gone up 7k in 3 years. That's a crazy notion.
@@HeavyMetalWRX Are you including taxes and destination fees in that 37k?
@@Antykain it's $36,906 before TTL ☠️ I was just rounding up that $100
@@HeavyMetalWRX Ok, so you're adding in the destination and delivery fee. Got it. You're comparing that to the 22 Base, I take it. If the Base had the same options, I could see where that would be a fair comparison. There are quite a few differences in those trims that makes up the price margin. I get why you're comparing them, since the Premium is now the entry point to the WRX. But you are getting substantially more features with that.
Anywho, lack of sales was one of the reasons the base got the chopping block. The Premium outsold the Base by almost 50%. Good times! I almost bought the base myself.. But, I wanted that moonroof, Harmon cardon, keyless entry, etc..
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These prices are getting crazy. Glad to be able to get a 23' premium at $34,069 with HK/ moonroof package.
It's so sad they discontinued the wrx base. I own one since 1.5 years and really love it. They actually have heated seat
Dude you are absolutely right. Subaru needs to wake up. We want performance! That type R looks really good right about now
So happy to own a rare final year base model
The inflation algorithm they seem to be using to inflate car prices, etc. needs to apply at the very least to our salaries.
I got my 24 base WRX about two months ago. They found me one with heated seats, power/heated mirrors. Quite happy :) Glad I didn't wait for a 25 model
Would this drive our used 2023 WRX prices up? (Without eyesight)
I am still interested in the 25 tS even given the price. Drive modes, adjustable suspension, better seats, Brembos etc. All it needs is the transmission with DCCD. The only real thing that puts me off is that they might release an STI and then the purchase would have been stupid
I keep hoping they will buy from all the insider stuff I'm hearing there won't be one till at least 2027.
@@HeavyMetalWRX oh wow.
@@HeavyMetalWRX my wife says I should just save for a Porsche lol
@matthewwain9958 I agree with your wife 😂
I think what Subaru doing right now is testing the water of bring sti back, by bring ts out as a teaser, btw sti version of VB is indeed available in JPN market, that being said, I will be getting the Ts next year, i think the combination of adaptive suspension and digital cluster is perfect for me, that being said, I am a die hard EVO fan, if EVO is returning, I will trade in my future ts with no hesitation, for now, I agree to disagree hahahaha
About 2-4 yrs ago I was looking at VA STI and they were going for 40-44G used, I end up picking up a 24 premium wit sti short shifter and axle backs with the upgraded speakers for 37 in June
These cars used to be simple. There was two trim WRX and STI. Then they started all this limited, garbage, then premium, now the TR TS. They are playing BMWs game now with all the add-ons.
I THINK what’s going on here is that Subaru is attempting to just elevate the entire WRX car into the STI category over time. They’re gradually bolting on STI-ish parts to the normal WRX and raising the price. In a few years it might be more like the Evo in terms of model “flatness.” I’m not saying that’s necessarily a good thing though.
Inflation is so bad almost $100 of groceries fits in one paper bag. Smh
I know this is not a competitor but as a previous EVO owner and hot hatch lover, Im glad I got my Tesla model 3 performance for 47k. It does everything and is more fun than most of my ICE cars. These Subies are so overprices, Id never be tempted to even consider them.
My local dealerships in Ohio have discounted their WRX's by 7% since the end of October. They might be at invoice!
Once 2025 hits I'm going to go and visit all my local dealerships and see what their prices are on WRXs.
worst part.... 25s come with the DriverFocus Distraction Mitigation System. monitors your eyes while driving. terribly invasive, AND probably a cost driver. hard no
The best way to get into the VB platform now is to buy one used for 27-28k. Lots of people are selling their 22s with around 30k miles. Not a bad deal at that point IMO
my buddy just got a used 2023 with 10k miles for 28.5K. this is the way to go for sure
@@notoriousix4507 can confirm. i just got a limited in MGM with 17k miles for 27.5. way too hard to ignore that!
@@notoriousix4507 Woah, I'm in Canada and I just got a 2022 wrx premium with 6000 miles for 24,800 USD. And I thought I got shafted.
thats not a good deal I just got a new premium with sti short throw and upgraded rugs and headrests ...for 32,600 with 4 miles on the dash... the base is brand new msrp 33k and new you can get them now for 29k why buy a used one for 2k less lol
Wow! I got shafted on my '24 😮 base with sti short throw package for 33k
Sad part the STI was 45k now the puts the STI to 50 or 52k 😢 so annoying. I get they have the AWD and manual but zero performance in comparison to others. Till a sti comes out that still underperforms the market at that price point still
The ts seems to be on point given the interior overhaul also. The digital dash is awesome as an option for Subaru. I wish it was an orderable option for all other trims.
Not good 😢 Great video coverage. But sad if my WRX generation is short lived and less appreciated now cause of this pricing fiasco
I can’t believe they got rid of the base model and the TR!
The speed3 was the manual turbo which Mazda killed in 2013 due to they wanted to focus on improving their existing models and establishing themselves as a premium automaker also why the Mazda 3 got awd on the turbo models
I bought my 2022 Subaru WRX used in 2022 with a little over 1,000 miles for $35, 000. Seems like I paid $5,000 more than I should. However, I did trade in my 2016 Subaru Crosstrek for $12, 000, leaving me with a $23, 000 bill. Despite the loss, I probably shouldn't be complaining after watching this video lol Def gonna keep it after I pay it off :)
I don't understand how people justify buying new. For any manufacturer.
Definitely pretty wild that they are doing this. Im glad i got my 22' when i did.
I think a lot of this has to do with the inflated semiconductor price outlook for next year. All electric devices will likely have large markups next year if the outlook turns out to be the reality.
It’s more expensive because people want comfort and tech with their performance. Before they just wanted performance. Don’t forget, the STI 2004-07 didn’t even have fog lights. 😂
The 04 radio and AC was an add on option. They original Integra Type R, same, no radio, no AC.
Now all the top trim performance cars have everything loaded in. Next gen people will want massaging seats in their Type R and complain it doesn’t have that.😂
Got my 24 base 2 weeks ago for 31k. At that price its fantastic. However even with recaros/brembos and other upgrades the fl5 type R is much better when you are in the mid 40’s. To me at 31k thats what an Si costs. Its the better car in that price range
Considering the 2025 civic si starts at 29,950 before TTL, the base GTI starts at 33k, the 35k isnt really that bad. Esp considering its the premium. Killing the base wasnt a great move, but in reality, inflation has forced subarus hand, i doubt its greed. keep in mind the halo cars CTR, integra type S, GolfR, Audi S3, etc all cost so much more, while not really offering much more in terms of performance. 35k, with an additional 5k in mods, makes the wrx walk all of those more expensive cars. The value is still there. The sky isnt falling just yet.
I got my '24 wrx for 33k with sti short throw package. I got about 1800$ off MSRP with 1500 down. 2.9% & 513/month. 😮
How many months though?😂
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Was waiting to hear your thoughts on this. I’m just annoyed that it’s gonna be so hard to find a used base trunk to put a wing on.
@@waykool698 omaw man I didn't even think about that. I'm pretty sure you can still still get a trunk from the factory with no lid spoiler.
@@HeavyMetalWRXyea that’s probably the route I’ll go. Just have it painted locally.
I got my 22 base for 28k, I literally went before the year ended.
So glad i didn’t wait for the Ts. I got a tr 2 months ago for 38k.
Base gang rare! Pay hasn't kept up with the cost of things that's why it feels stupid. Our pay is stupid.
Very glad I bought a '22 Limited for 35k.
I paid $31k for my 20 wrx limited with 12k miles in 2021
i had a 23 wrx for almost a year before it got totalled. after I healed up and insurance was taken care of I went to get another one and they did not have the color I wanted and it was also 2500 more.
This year-after-year of releasing special editions reminds me of the series of VA special editions right before they discontinued the STi altogether. (Edited for incorrect autocorrect)
It seems to me that what will happen is Subaru will inflate the WRX’s price until people cannot afford it, at which point they will drop it and blame the consumer.
For the long term i would have hoped they went the other way and offer a more bare bones car for the upcomming enthusiast. Hook them younger then when they are more financially able maybe they return and buy a more profitable model. Maybe the whole industry will reset once this whole EV thing either collapses or they figure out how to make them affordable, not explode, last more than 100k miles etc.
Seriously Subaru, bring the WRX Sportswagon to the US. Quit toying with us and give us a little more concrete information of an STi variant. Though at this point it's wishful thinking. I can really kick myself for not holding on to my dreams and getting the Impreza WRX STi the last year they made it and while I had the ability to do so. But I had no idea at that time they were going to can it. I'm glad I grabbed my 2023 Crosstrek 6MT before the manual got canned. And frankly I do not regret it after seeing what's been happening.
when I seen those prices in the USA they are incredible low, STI 2018 was 60 000€ car, new Honda Type R is 67 000€ car. looks like if you guys have our prices no one would drive any car...
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I have a feeling all cars will be going up in price.
They got me for 34 on a premium in May of 22, wouldn't budge on sticker . It's been in the shop for trans rebuilds and clutch issues. I've lost track on loaners 20?-30? They won't buy back. Might have to trade and sell all my parts. Or get them to work and deal on a good price for another car.
GTI and Golf R no more manuals starting in 25 models. 24s are the last of the manuals. The suspension in the ts is different from the GTs suspension. GT wasnt STI tuned. Pricing is crazy but I still love it. VB is fantastic. If I didn't trade my 22 Limited for a Golf R, the ts is the only other car I'd want regardless of its price. TR was great. this will be even better. Sure it would be better with the STI transmission and more power, but its still an awesome car and arguably better than the STI is. Plus very few pay MSRP for their subaru. they are always negotiable in my experience.
Yeah this sucks. Yes TR Comes with Eyesight but for TS money and features? Im fine with my TR. I'll treasure it for a long time to come. Thanks for the info Awais.
Boy I'm glad I got my 23 VB when I did. Premium for $29,998 and 0% interest.
Making the WRX tS $46,875 with no extra horsepower and torque spells immediate disaster for Subaru of Japan and Subaru of America with the WRX. The car has only had an abysmal +3hp increase since the end of the VA gen WRX from 268hp to 271 for the 6 years the gen WRX has been out.
The VB gen WRX has been out since 2022 and the power has stayed the same since it came out at 271. This car is immediately DEAD ON ARRIVAL (DOA) in January 2025 and they know it.
$46,875 for just a white, blue, or purple exterior with a blue interior and EyeSight Technology paired to a manual transmission and copper-ish Brembo brakes does not make this car attractive one bit. Unless someone who is a diehard Subie fan and is looking for their first car and they've worked hard to save up and they want all the bells and whistles of this car, the WRX tS is meant for them. Outside of that, there is nothing that screams "tuned" by STI if the STI Division hasn't had their head in doing what STI does best.
Man am I glad I picked up a RS/TR instead of waiting for the tS, I don't think the 4 to 5 k more is really worth it, prices are really getting out of hand fast :s
Yea I think the TR was the last high value option.
Premium is the way to go but it is a bit expensive so work those dealers down. Don’t get played out here life is too expensive.
My 24 Base feels like a great value, everything I wanted that the base didn't have I added myself for cheaper. Just need Brembos now!
Yea the base is the best because you know people are going to change everything anyway.
What did you add? I also have a 24 base, and looking to make updates soon.
@@bigsiv so... 18x9.5 Enkei T6Rs in Gunmetal that I am now replacing with the brand new Gram Lights 57NRs in Glass Black, Michelin Pilot Sport 4s, OEM drl bezels with Diode Dynamic Elite amber fogs, Borla ceramic catback, LED switchbacks, swapped out the 6 tin can speakers with Kicker CS.
Lots of other things that dont pertain to options or trim level, my car is a bottomless money pit. 😂✌️
@@JaceMazamawas the speaker upgrade just a straight swap? No fiddling with an amp? Would love to upgrade my 24 as well…thanks
Heres my current Issue with the Floor Plan: Hey Subaru - Why TF Can't I get Brembos on Literally ANY OTHER TRIM. Oh I know why, because you want to Force People into a Higher Trim just to have them. Okay GOT IT.
The Year Was 2021: A 300+Hp with DCCD and Brembos STI Costed you $37,245, Like you said man.. Whoever is Running the WRX Department is Completely Disconnected from the Buyers.
I really Hope Subaru Reads and Sees this Comment. Because the GR Corolla is officially a Better Buy with the Price Increases.
Why Not buy an Audi S3? Why Not Switch to Audi's DCT/AWD system and Enjoy a Really Nice Interior? 45,000? Why not Switch to the new 400hp AWD Toyota Celica thats coming out? I might as well just do that. Why? Because the WRX Stock is Currently ONLY a Half Second Quicker than a Outback XT. An Outback... A Lifted WAGON. Half Second. Okay I see how it is.
Trump Really Can't Get into Office Sooner. This is RIDICULOUS. Sure an Inflation Calculator. Meanwhile NO ONE IS GETTING PAID MORE. Thanks Japanese Bean Counters, At 270hp with Plastics all over the inside and Cloth Seats, Yup sure is a "Cooler Car" than a GR Corolla with Adjustable Torque Split and 295ft lbs of Torque.
Meanwhile the Elantra N at 34,000 Goes 0-60 4.8-5.2seconds. Value Per Dollar.
At 45,000 the ASCENT has MORE METALS, PLASTICS, RUBBER, MORE SPRAYED PAINT, BIGGER TIRES, BIGGER WHEELS, BIGGER BRAKES, THICKER SUSPENSION COMPONENTS - All around MORE BUILD MATERIAL. So Subaru is sitting here saying, With Literally Less Build Materials, the WRX matches a Subaru Ascent. And Yet..... 250ish Torque Compared to the 277ft lbs Standard on the Ascent?
Very Interesting Calculations from the Subaru Bean Counters.
Thank god I got my tr when I did, if possible to retrofit the lcd dash, ta da we got a cheaper “ts” with out the adaptive suspension, I prefer the car without just because when I do coilovers then I don’t have to custom fab resistors for the non existent adaptive suspension
I thought about trading in my 22 WRX for the TS but with it costing that much abd no kind of power upgrade. I might as well get a slightly used TR or get a Golf R or GR Corolla
Well glad I picked up my 22 limited used at 13k (Kilometers). I don't even wanna do USD to Canadian fun bucks conversions, All I know is if the other vehicles in its class didn't go up, then this is bad and gonna hurt sales
thats exactly what i did with the plan to keep it a very long time so idc about depreciation
Glad I picked up the base 22' WRX for 28k last year.
Yea back then when no one liked this car we got the best deals.
Im glad i got the base model when I did, as I have the twist key ignition that i prefer
We were just talking about it in your light video. You think they included LED lights inside in the Ts? Wasn’t in my TR 😂😂😂
@@b_swazzymodo dude if the TS has yellow lights I will be LIVID
wished they made nardo grey for the wrx like with the forester
okay okay....TS has seats special to it as well. TR i think has recaro.
Either way...I feel like I got my GT while the iron was hot. only spent 40,000 for the 2022 GT and otd with all of the extended stuff came out to 44,000
Ts is about the price of a model 3 performances with the tax credit. Not a direct comparison but the speed for the money is not even close
Oof I didn't even bother to look at Tesla. Those are awd arent they? Id say it could be a potential competitor for the price.
@HeavyMetalWRX yeah AWD. 1/4 mile at 11.0. 0-60 is like 2.9
Dawm I rather keep my 2020 sti , I paid 36 for it on Feb 2021
man glad I bought a 2023 cause this move would have priced me out of the car. Call me stupid but I preferred the base model - in a world where everyone has blacked out rims - it was nice to have grey rims - and if you ask me with world rally blue the black rims looked off. I hate the duel screens - but now I am special (said sarcastically)
Including destination the tS is 47k which is actually slightly more than a 2025 Type R MSRP. Warranted it’s difficult to get a Type R at MSRP, I was able to, but the fact remains that both Honda and Subaru deem those cars to be worth that much. I’m finding extremely difficult to justify choosing a WRX over a Type R. Really the only objective thing the WRX has on the Type R is AWD. That’s it. Type R has more power, weighs less, interior has nicer materials, better sound system. Even with a 5k markup it would still be a tough choice to choose the WRX. if they had an STI model with low to mid 300s for power then there’s an argument to be made.
It really depends on the area. In STL a lot of cars that are marked up in warmer climatea are actually MSRP here. Elantra n, CTR, Civic SI you can get all for MSRP here.
@ Yea which makes perfect sense. I live in California but I was able to buy a Type R at MSRP from Ohio and had it shipped. While I was living in Utah no Subaru dealers were willing to move off of MSRP for WRXs, they’d even inflate the prices by adding excessive accessories. My main point was how the manufacturers deem the value of the car. From that perspective in my opinion there’s no contest on value. Type R wins easily.
The GT now being 46k msrp is a fucking joke. And i have a 22 GT. I PAID ONLY 42K WITH TAX AND ALL
Yea someone gonna have to explain to me why the GT went up when it got ZERO additions.
Tonight at 10, man doesn't understand economics
Not quite. There's something going on at subaru. They see to continuously be behind the curve. STI is cut but so many performance cars exist. No other performance oriented vehicle in 30-40k range has upped the price as drastically as Subaru in the last 4 years. So has been under 30k , GTI has been at 31k this whole time. Why is it that Subaru is the on only one affected? Saying "it's economics" it's super reductive and vague. Id love to hear more.
I'm so glad I got my 2021 premium when I did.
That's awesome! I miss my VA WRX 😭
@HeavyMetalWRX What happened to yours?
@crankybear1236 I sold my VA WRX during COVID and made money on it.
Better off with a Golf R at this point!
They’re not adding shit to the new 25 models. Nothing. It makes zero sense whatsoever.
You can buy a brand new 2.0 Supra for the same price as a WRX. Yeah sure it is a 2.0 and not a 3.0, but it is still a brand new Supra.
I went from a 2022 GT to 2024 Base to save money 🤑 with the pricing now the BRZ will be the better buy over the WRX
If you don't need AWD it might be. Honestly I still think the GTI is high value. It's a very nice feeling car.
@@HeavyMetalWRX price and aesthetic absolutely 🤑 FWD and 🇩🇪 reliability engineering 🤔 …. BRZ / GR86 still would be better alternative option to WRX that will cost you less 🤷🏻♂️ my preference of course bro 🫡
I would get the TS for the epic digital dash
Everything aside and just price wise, people can/should get mad but its matching inflation pretty spot on. Look at a 2018 for example and it was 27k (closer to 28 tho in reality), inflation has gone up about 25-30%. Add 30% lets say for shiggles and you're at 35k. Its matching people can't be upset about that, be upset our wages arent matching inflation at all, THAT is the issue. Glad i got my 22 premium for like 31k before add ons, id be upset if i was buying rn too, but can't blame subaru here, blame our employers lol
Replace "employers" with government/the fed/WEF etc and I'm full on board with this. Either way solid point.
Bought my 2015 base for 26k
You’re in the price point of a MERCEDES A43 at the top end of Subaru’s top end.
This may be true but a Mercedes of any price is the worst car to get lol. I work at a performance shop now and even in the last 3 months the German car that we see most often as the worst issues have been Mercedes to the point where we have decided to no longer take Mercedes lol