I just released my Cybertruck 6 month review: th-cam.com/video/cv1WUZtXf1Y/w-d-xo.html so if you're interested please check out that video as well. But I didn't want to wait to release this, edited it on the plane on the way to LA!
That junction is a really great example of why US roads have such high accident rates compared to, say, the UK. Here in the UK, that would have traffic lights, or more likely be re-engineered to use a roundabout (traffic circle to some). Relying upon drivers heeding STOP signs is one of the main causes of fatal accidents. It is also a good example of how FSD will make US roads far safer, but will have less impact in more-controlled environments such as the UK's.
pretty crazy that the drives area now so good that 99% of the commentary is kind of "in my opinion i would have done x, would have driven 5kph faster here or sped up here because someone is following me there" (no critique of the video, it's moreso just proof of how far FSD has come) great video :)
@@DirtyTesla dirty is a life long tesla fluffer..how much money you make fluffing for the trumptard Musk..12.5.4 was such garbage that Tesla just shoved 12.5.4.1 at my car..proof i was right 12.5.4 is garbage..FSD death due to tree shade...worse highway phantom stops ever..now won't even pass all the time..vision monitoring non-functional at night (luckily is figured out a great hack)..first try, ASS parked my Tesla in my neighbors driveway..and you fluffers just fluff fluff fluff fluff.,.but FSD is garbage, they make one improvement and make 3 other things worse.
With the wife's comment about being pleasantly surprised that the speed selection isn't too slow or that there aren't any slowdowns, which is in stark contrast to the current state of surface street end-to-end FSD, this actually makes sense to me because proper speed selection is actually a much more complex thing on surface streets.
They need to. So many regressions on 12.5.4 they need to fix. Specifically, driving under the speed limit. Waiting till the last 0.1 mile to change lanes for a turn, randomly trying to stop for Green Lights, and lane drift when at turns with multiple lanes. If Tesla is going to reveal a Robotaxi in two days, they need to show that some of the issues we have been complaining about for years are being fixed. Reacting to school zones, reacting to emergency vehicles behind or at an intersection. FSD trip completion and parking itself.
Immediately into the video, speed limit 55, and yet it's declining in speed starting at 53...52...51. When will they fix this? It's ridiculous that it can't go a steady speed. You TH-camrs need to really harp on this issue so they fix it. Thanks for talking about it for a bit.
I fully agree!!!! I've been driving the latest version the last couple of days and it drives me crazy that it keeps declining in speed a mile at a time, just like you said. Cars around me get annoyed and have to pass. Can you image if common cruise control worked like that? Everyone would hate it!
Same. FSD stopped (fully to zero) at the stop sign. That satisfies the requirement to stop at a stop sign. What the person in front of you is or isn't doing and where they decide to stop is irrelevant. I will note the stop signs are weirdly far back at that intersection, but if the road designers decided to put them that far back... than stopping that far back satisfies the requirement to stop.
Hmm... so you're saying the person in front of us ran the sign, and we did our stop and then continued with them? I can see it, but I think a cop would have got me there if behind me...
one of the many disgusting and disturbing things re. FSD..EAP actually does "return to lane" (not all the time another pathetic Tesla fail)..and has never worked and is IMO very important..rather they give us carnival barker shiny objects that again are a fail eg. Tesla's ASS that they proudly show off..but only time i tried it parked itself in neighbors driveway after about 5 minutes..such a garbage company..Tesla needs a real BoD and a real CEO not some tweet crazy trump tard..Tesla keep your ASS in your house and fix real FSD failures (but alas they never will under current config)
As a European (danish) I am horrified by American lane dicipline (or lack there of). I hope the highway driving FSD is reworked for Europe when it arrives here.
As a German I can only agree on this. The lack of rules for lane discipline in the US seems suuuper stressful and just like an outright regulatory oversight.
As an American, I totally agree. I just came back from a France/Spain trip, and driving there (on highways) was a joy. Not just the drivers, but the road quality is greatly superior to the states.
Thanks for the excellent video. Yours is the first one I have seen with this software that wasn't done done in the wee hours of the morning with no other traffic on the road (Whole Mars). I feel a lot better after seeing this. There is still a ways to go to achieve unsupervised, but they're making good progress.
It's a tough balance of getting out there to get the footage immediately to share with everyone, or being a little later but having good filming conditions
9:40 stop sign: Stopped at proper line for SS and then proceeded properly due to no opposing traffic…in my opinion. I’m looking forward to receiving this update on the CT. Thanks for another great video.
Our Cybertruck in FSD makes left turns too tightly. It comes close to hitting cars that are in the left lane. Once when it was turning left it almost hit a high median (the median also had a warning sign on it). The Cybertruck gave an imminent accident alert and veered around it. I have decided to tap the brake and take over on left turns when there is a car or median very close to where it's turning. It's also not always the smartest with getting over lanes in advance of taking an exit ramp, so we've started using the turn signal to have it get over in advance. Is there some way as you're driving to tell the Cybertruck to go a little bit slower or faster like there was with the self-driving stick or wheel controls with Models X and Y using FSD? Thx :)
Staying in the passing lane is a big issue in states that enforce their law on that. Think Friday's with Frank would enjoy making those videos. In Europe, especially Germany, it would definitely get you trouble and fined.
Tesla should have a team working on the proper formula for hard braking large vehicle responses. Hard braking large vehicles ahed certainly require an extra level of distance and caution. Glad that scenario went safely for you!
The FSD on my CT does not perform as well as yours. I cannot wear a hat while i use it and it has a number of times asked to put pressure on the wheel. i have gotten 2 strikes already bcause i wasnt fast enough for it.. This was on a hiway with zero traffic. And it usually drives way under the speed limit. I need to work with it more
I'm straight up not paying for FSD again until the speed profiles are fixed lol, it's completely unusable on the roads in DC. Speed limits are mostly 25mph but it'll hang around 18mph with everyone else going ~30mph
So is this finally end to end on the HWY now? I'm on 12.5.4.1 and its unusable, looking forward to getting the 12.5 branch which seems to be doing much better
Nice video👍 I just drove 80 miles combined highway/mountain roads yesterday and my experience was 99% of what you posed here👍 FSD has some issues but nothing that's not solvable with time😘
Good to hear Stephanie add her thoughts and opinions. I just got my "Configure your Cybertruck" email from Tesla. This is for the non-founders edition, so they're officially done with the marked up pre-production trucks, and are now offering regularly priced production CT's. Still on the fence if I'm going to buy it or not. I don't finance vehicles, and I'm not sure I'm willing to part with that much right now.
Always hold off for a while, because it’s not like you’ll miss out on anything. They will exist plenty of years later, and might even be nearly perfected by then so it’s almost better to wait
@@Treityn. Yup, after discussing it with my wife, that's exactly why we decided to wait. I'm going to get my hundred buck deposit back and wait it out a few years. We wanted to use it for towing, and the fact that they weren't able to hit two of their pre-production metrics (price and range) were deal breakers. At least, for now.
20:00 Re: Scary/Smoky Semi-truck Brake Check. FSD should’a responded. No Park Assist or ASS? Is the monthly FSD rate locked in? Just got authorized, but deciding on tri-motor or Beast. Also, custom graphics PPF source?
We have 80 km/h limits posted on roads where sections of them you wouldn't make it around a bend at over 30. So going under a posted limit is perfectly fine, depending on the road/conditions, visibility (e.g. the brow of a hill or dip(s) reducing the view ahead, quite a lot of those in the video too) etc. etc. It's supposed to be a limit, not a "you can do this everywhere" or target.
True, but FSD drives well under the limit when conditions allow driving well over the limit, as shown early in the video. It should drive the speed limit or the set speed (over or under limit) in those conditions.
In my state, these are not the same speed limit signs, but rather yellow signs with a suggested speed. You can go faster if you want and police can’t ticket you. In Europe, they expect people driving to have some basic skills because they actually go to driving school unlike that thing we have in America, which is two weeks of let’s watch you drive school
12:00 you can sort of see the camera pick up the black marks over the solid line which it must have thought was the line going back to broken not solid
23:40 I have a guaranteed hard right fast exit I can take every time, and it has been scaring me (of hitting the guard rail) every time, so I will look forward to the integrated stack release for my HW3 2018 M3.
My 23 MS using the updated v12.5.4.1 FSD started phantom braking again. Did it twice in one drive today...Yikes, scared the crap out of me because I haven't experienced that in a long time. Not sure what's going on. Also, fsd seems to be going 10mph over speed limit on back twisty roads (not good), and going 2-3 mph under speed limit on straight main roads?
Thanks for the video Chris! Do you think Tesla will release a unsupervised FSD for interstates and other limited access roads first? FSD seems to be closed to that on interstates and it would be a huge sales boost for Tesla.
Please tell me they did not get rid of “Minimal Lane Changes”? I just wanted the simple ability to stay on course and only change lanes if I tell it as it would often change lanes too slow or too late or unexpected which in itself is a driver distraction.
I definitely love the ability to adjust the speed on the fly. I've avoided tickets and stayed safe in school and construction zones. I do not use the speed offset. I'll test out all speed settings on my channel soon
@DirtyTesla - I noticed you didn't have your hands lightly on the steering wheel. Is that no longer required with the inward facing camera? Also - about crossing a white line in a construction zone. I think that's a no-no. Your supposed to stay in your lane.
With the latest version of FSD, it monitors your attention to the road so you don’t have watch the screen then keep applying turning pressure to the wheel every 60 seconds. In my opinion, that was extremely dangerous because I was watching the screen more than the road. With this version, it allows you to pay attention to the road
@@calvinwalker4654 - Disappointed you didn't directly answer my comment about HOW it monitors your attentiveness. I'm presuming it's using the inward facing camera as opposed to hands on the steering wheel/yoke.
This seems like the incremental updates that don't fix the issues people are experiencing. It was a huge upgrade to FSD v12, and then a pretty big update to 12.5, but it seems problems aren't getting fixed, which you would think would be addressed. Can't drive the speed limits? All the updates before v12 could easily drive 5 mph over without an issue. It is starting to look like unsupervised FSD may not be here soon no matter whatever the 10/10 event brings.
All of the original testers got it, at that time Tesla was calling FSD takers on the phone and asking them if they wanted to be part of the original beta testing. It was the way they were given to report issues with the system back to Tesla. In newer cars taking over or disengaging will ask if you want to leave a voice note and the button went away. As a side note recently CyberLyft, a content creator that covers using FSD as a Uber/Lyft driver, got the button assigned to him. So it would seem that it can be assigned still. Someone must have noticed what he was doing and wanted his data.
In British Columbia it is required to give room and slow down while passing the emergency vehicles and tow trucks etc. many people get killed because people don’t slow down around pedestrians and areas where something is happening. Slow down and move over is the right thing to do.
I just say it and I’ve never heard anybody else. Talk about this before but FSD should reduce when it’s able drunk driving accidents. No one should drive drunk whether their car can drive or not. I’m not saying that but as we know people do and if they could do so, and not endanger other people that would have to be a bonus.
How can I add the report button on my Tesla like you do with yours? This would be great instead of having to manually disengage Autopilot and have to wait to anonymously send the report with a voice note
@DirtyTesla CyberLyft (FSD content creator) was recently given the button. So it is something that can be assigned. I think that the team really does appreciate solid edge case feedback. Since you content creators put yourselves out there where they can watch how you use it, they obviously approve of your style of usage. I have started disengaging to report bad speed limit roads. I live in a rural town and my prefered ways in and out of town have the wrong speeds. Who knows if it ever results in anything but hey it's easy enough.
It's not the law in most states that you have to move over for vehicles stopped on the shoulder. For instance, here in WA and OR you only have to do so for emergency vehicles stopped on the shoulder, not any other vehicles.
I've been having this slowness problem since v12 came out. It consistently wants to drive 10% below the speed limit. I haven't seen too many people complain about it until now.
So hypothetical situation - Michigan interstate, 70 MPH limit, your preference is to cruise @ 80 MPH, no construction/curves/traffic- FSD will not ever reach 80 MPH on its own?
FSD has a major problem for rural car owners..... that is that it is training to be a city driver. Cities usually have lots of other cars around that FSD uses to key off on as to pacing itself for speed. In a rural environment with no other cars in front... and particularly being...FSD becomes a laggard. In my own FSD testing I find that it works great if a car is behind you riding your bumper.... with no car behind FSD lollygags like it's taking in the view. Tesla will probably need to have the car recognize it's in a rural environment and behave differently accordingly.
It still seems like FSD still has a substantial way to go to get the normal cases good enough. There must be weird cases that will require a lot more time to work out the kinks.
FSD was apparently first released just about 2 years ago. With all the improvements since, how has emergency vehicle recognition not been solved yet?? Consider a robotaxi that doesn't recognize emergency vehicles...
💯 Chuck Cook is on this issue too. Chris, please try to get emergency vehicle behavoiur addressed. Our Model Y saw a nicely cleared left lane and made a run for it just before the emergency vehicle raced by. I stopped it in a split second but not before the vehicle slowed to a crawl to go by me! Yikes!! 🙏🙏🙏
Because we made one stop with the vehicle in front of us. We should have made our own stop after that. We basically got lucky no one else was turning in front of us
Did you notice the car hit the correct speed on a surface street with an extra lane (24:16)? It seems like they forgot to train it on high speed two lane roads.
Did someone in the past said something along this "An input is an error..." IMO We should not have to "input" speed settings especially when aiming at a Robotaxi business.
wow at the end it was going around the black skid mark in the road. interesting. you did a report on that but it thought it was a hazzard. I wish it avoided more of those. it was in control. trust it. lol
11:49 I do believe a solid white line assigns blame if you hit someone. You can cross it, but you become responsible if, for example, someone rearends you. If you changed lanes over the solid white, it is your fault, not theirs.
This varies by state. California, where the vast plurality of not majority of Teslas live, there's no such rule specific to solid white lines. But if you change lanes at all, no matter what separates them, and you get rear-ended, of course it's your fault if you cut in too closely.
@@BigBen621 I'm in CA. I just looked it up, and the drivers handbook is vague, saying it simply marks lanes going in the same direction. It does say that double white signifies a lane, going in the same direction, but that should not be crossed over. My experiance was having been in an accident where I changed lanes into the fast lane and only 15ft after being in the lane a guy in a turn lane decided to not turn and came back into the lane I was now in and hit me. He had to cross over a solid white line to do so I didn't. Their insurance was complaining that we both changed lanes and it should be 50-50. My insurance said that since I changed lanes with no solid line and he had to cross the line that it was his responsibility. His insurance paid it out.
Tesla should release to whambam the comments audio of drivers when they flip out on FSD. Would be funny videos. My wife goes from sweet princess to truck driver and always addresses everything as if Elon was there listening. Cracks me up.
40% max speed offset sounds about right for lower speeds but is high for higher speeds. 25 MPH with 40% offset is 35MPH, pretty common scenario (even for continuous speed). 65 MPH with 40% offset would be 91 MPH, not real common scenario for continuous, but occasional burst for passing.
I would consider the right lane to be used for slow cars and cars entering/exiting the highway. Center lane considered the "driving lane". Left lane for passing or very fast travel. This seems generally accepted across the greater US based on my experience.
Thanks for the upload, you’re my favorite FSD TH-camr! NY here, I’m kinda glad that Hurry stays in the passing lane since up here in NY, we tend to stay there when we’re gonna be on the highway for more than 3.5 miles or so, depending on traffic. I’ve driven in other parts of the country where it doesn’t work like that, but it would be pretty annoying to me at least if it kept going to the middle lane here.
So Elon says time between interventions has got so big safety drivers can not do enough miles to test it. ( maybe explains why so few people have got new updates) He says they are running it in shadow mode on millions of Tesla’s ,being driven by humans , this ensembles comparison between what the human did and what the car would have done. This is a completely new approach to evaluating the software builds! This explains a lot.
@DirtyTesla Where is this “report button” of which thou speaketh? Also, is showing the current mode at the top of the screen a new feature? My 2023 M3P (FSD 12.5.4.1) doesn’t show it …
0:30 first, THANK YOU for making these videos, 2nd: Your camera needs a CPL, the tree shadows are strobe lights, how is your brain not seizing watching this? I hope you are wearing sunglasses while driving through this, LOL, but seriously, THANK YOU for showing us the future, I can't wait for the next update!
I've been driving the latest version the last couple of days and it drives me crazy that it keeps declining in speed a mile at a time, just like you said. Cars around me get annoyed and have to pass. Can you image if common cruise control worked like that? Everyone would hate it! Can't wait for them to get it fixed. Keep complaining!
4:06 I personally would not be driving more than 80 kph on such a road - it also deteriorates significantly further down the road where I would personally not drive more than 70 kph, especially because there are drive ways connecting to this road. Latest at 5:06 I would not go faster than 60 kph. The speed chosen by FSD on this road seemed perfectly fine to me. Also at 6:49 would I never ever go faster than 70 kph, as there is way too much shadows and drive ways, and therefore the chosen speed by FSD would have been totally fine with me. But I guess it comes down to the overall bad road designs in the US.
I just released my Cybertruck 6 month review: th-cam.com/video/cv1WUZtXf1Y/w-d-xo.html so if you're interested please check out that video as well. But I didn't want to wait to release this, edited it on the plane on the way to LA!
No Park Assist or PPF? Is the monthly FSD rate locked in? Just got authorized, but deciding on tri-motor or Beast. Also, custom graphics PPF source?
9:35 was correct. There's no reason whatsoever to stop again once you've passed the line.
I'll definitely do what the car did if the coast is clear. If not just wait longer or maybe creep up a bit like the other cars did.
Most places technically illegal but is also what most people do.
Lead car made the stop mistake, not FSD.
@@RB-pi3jl Yeah it was pretty far past the stop sign.
That junction is a really great example of why US roads have such high accident rates compared to, say, the UK. Here in the UK, that would have traffic lights, or more likely be re-engineered to use a roundabout (traffic circle to some). Relying upon drivers heeding STOP signs is one of the main causes of fatal accidents. It is also a good example of how FSD will make US roads far safer, but will have less impact in more-controlled environments such as the UK's.
pretty crazy that the drives area now so good that 99% of the commentary is kind of "in my opinion i would have done x, would have driven 5kph faster here or sped up here because someone is following me there" (no critique of the video, it's moreso just proof of how far FSD has come)
great video :)
Yeah, I said somewhere in this video a lot of it is becoming opinion
@@DirtyTesla dirty is a life long tesla fluffer..how much money you make fluffing for the trumptard Musk..12.5.4 was such garbage that Tesla just shoved 12.5.4.1 at my car..proof i was right 12.5.4 is garbage..FSD death due to tree shade...worse highway phantom stops ever..now won't even pass all the time..vision monitoring non-functional at night (luckily is figured out a great hack)..first try, ASS parked my Tesla in my neighbors driveway..and you fluffers just fluff fluff fluff fluff.,.but FSD is garbage, they make one improvement and make 3 other things worse.
With the wife's comment about being pleasantly surprised that the speed selection isn't too slow or that there aren't any slowdowns, which is in stark contrast to the current state of surface street end-to-end FSD, this actually makes sense to me because proper speed selection is actually a much more complex thing on surface streets.
They just keep updating. Excited for the future.
They need to. So many regressions on 12.5.4 they need to fix. Specifically, driving under the speed limit. Waiting till the last 0.1 mile to change lanes for a turn, randomly trying to stop for Green Lights, and lane drift when at turns with multiple lanes.
If Tesla is going to reveal a Robotaxi in two days, they need to show that some of the issues we have been complaining about for years are being fixed. Reacting to school zones, reacting to emergency vehicles behind or at an intersection. FSD trip completion and parking itself.
Immediately into the video, speed limit 55, and yet it's declining in speed starting at 53...52...51. When will they fix this? It's ridiculous that it can't go a steady speed. You TH-camrs need to really harp on this issue so they fix it. Thanks for talking about it for a bit.
I fully agree!!!! I've been driving the latest version the last couple of days and it drives me crazy that it keeps declining in speed a mile at a time, just like you said. Cars around me get annoyed and have to pass. Can you image if common cruise control worked like that? Everyone would hate it!
Don’t harp on it just keep sending information back to Tesla with notes.
Thanks!
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14:10 this is where the hard breaks would normally be applied. v12.5.6 looks like a huge highway improvement
What is it going to break? Who will fix it if it ìs broken?
@@The_DuMont_Network bot ?
@@winnerdanny7 incorrect English. "breaks" doesn't exist as a noun
I don’t agree with the “100% wrong” opinion coming away from a stop sign without doing a creep and second stop.
Same. FSD stopped (fully to zero) at the stop sign. That satisfies the requirement to stop at a stop sign.
What the person in front of you is or isn't doing and where they decide to stop is irrelevant. I will note the stop signs are weirdly far back at that intersection, but if the road designers decided to put them that far back... than stopping that far back satisfies the requirement to stop.
Hmm... so you're saying the person in front of us ran the sign, and we did our stop and then continued with them? I can see it, but I think a cop would have got me there if behind me...
I agree. Why would that be wrong
@@DirtyTeslaYou both had come to a full stop, then proceeded. Neither broke the law.
@@jamesengland7461💯
In Texas, among other states, left lane is for passing only.
Getting back over is the law
Yea, road could be totally empty, still stick to the right lane unless passing, simple rule, don't need to think hard about it
one of the many disgusting and disturbing things re. FSD..EAP actually does "return to lane" (not all the time another pathetic Tesla fail)..and has never worked and is IMO very important..rather they give us carnival barker shiny objects that again are a fail eg. Tesla's ASS that they proudly show off..but only time i tried it parked itself in neighbors driveway after about 5 minutes..such a garbage company..Tesla needs a real BoD and a real CEO not some tweet crazy trump tard..Tesla keep your ASS in your house and fix real FSD failures (but alas they never will under current config)
Its the law everywhere.
@@RazvanMarc It is but so many don’t know and/or don’t care.
As a European (danish) I am horrified by American lane dicipline (or lack there of). I hope the highway driving FSD is reworked for Europe when it arrives here.
same man, France/Swiss here, that's wild
As a German I can only agree on this. The lack of rules for lane discipline in the US seems suuuper stressful and just like an outright regulatory oversight.
It really is a wild west.
Don’t go to India. You will get PTSD. 😊
As an American, I totally agree. I just came back from a France/Spain trip, and driving there (on highways) was a joy. Not just the drivers, but the road quality is greatly superior to the states.
Really enjoyed your video, you two. Thanks for being so fast on the draw. Appreciated both commentaries and opinions. Enjoy the robotaxi event.
The stopped vehicle in the margin + the truck braking is another reminder for people to keep full attention while using the system.
Thanks for the excellent video. Yours is the first one I have seen with this software that wasn't done done in the wee hours of the morning with no other traffic on the road (Whole Mars). I feel a lot better after seeing this. There is still a ways to go to achieve unsupervised, but they're making good progress.
It's a tough balance of getting out there to get the footage immediately to share with everyone, or being a little later but having good filming conditions
This gives a whole new meaning for I’m not driving, I’m just traveling traffic stops
9:40 stop sign: Stopped at proper line for SS and then proceeded properly due to no opposing traffic…in my opinion. I’m looking forward to receiving this update on the CT.
Thanks for another great video.
Our Cybertruck in FSD makes left turns too tightly. It comes close to hitting cars that are in the left lane. Once when it was turning left it almost hit a high median (the median also had a warning sign on it). The Cybertruck gave an imminent accident alert and veered around it.
I have decided to tap the brake and take over on left turns when there is a car or median very close to where it's turning.
It's also not always the smartest with getting over lanes in advance of taking an exit ramp, so we've started using the turn signal to have it get over in advance.
Is there some way as you're driving to tell the Cybertruck to go a little bit slower or faster like there was with the self-driving stick or wheel controls with Models X and Y using FSD? Thx :)
Staying in the passing lane is a big issue in states that enforce their law on that. Think Friday's with Frank would enjoy making those videos. In Europe, especially Germany, it would definitely get you trouble and fined.
Tesla should have a team working on the proper formula for hard braking large vehicle responses. Hard braking large vehicles ahed certainly require an extra level of distance and caution. Glad that scenario went safely for you!
Hmm.. maybe Tesla’s work on Semi FSD will help cars/SUVs know better?
It’s not coded in C++ any more, now is neural nets that learn through training of data. True AI.
Assertive has no understanding to get the hell out of the passing lane so I’m already excited for Hurry lol.
Ha yes, big highway improvements with this luckily
I've noticed phantom breaking as well. On the freeway it still thinks the minimum speed limit signs is hwy speed and I have to punch the petal.
The FSD on my CT does not perform as well as yours. I cannot wear a hat while i use it and it has a number of times asked to put pressure on the wheel. i have gotten 2 strikes already bcause i wasnt fast enough for it.. This was on a hiway with zero traffic. And it usually drives way under the speed limit. I need to work with it more
I'm straight up not paying for FSD again until the speed profiles are fixed lol, it's completely unusable on the roads in DC. Speed limits are mostly 25mph but it'll hang around 18mph with everyone else going ~30mph
14:00 but the on-coming traffic has their own lane? you can see the sign at 14:02
So is this finally end to end on the HWY now? I'm on 12.5.4.1 and its unusable, looking forward to getting the 12.5 branch which seems to be doing much better
Nice video👍 I just drove 80 miles combined highway/mountain roads yesterday and my experience was 99% of what you posed here👍
FSD has some issues but nothing that's not solvable with time😘
The visualization frame rate looks so much better. So smooth. I can't wait to get this update!
9:30
😂🤙 human af. FSD was like there are zero other cars, Im out of here.
4:00 what do you press if you don't have a stalk? I NEED THIS! lol
Press the speed limit sign on the screen right under the battery icon.
@@chetradack thanks!
Good to hear Stephanie add her thoughts and opinions.
I just got my "Configure your Cybertruck" email from Tesla. This is for the non-founders edition, so they're officially done with the marked up pre-production trucks, and are now offering regularly priced production CT's. Still on the fence if I'm going to buy it or not. I don't finance vehicles, and I'm not sure I'm willing to part with that much right now.
Always hold off for a while, because it’s not like you’ll miss out on anything. They will exist plenty of years later, and might even be nearly perfected by then so it’s almost better to wait
@@Treityn. Yup, after discussing it with my wife, that's exactly why we decided to wait. I'm going to get my hundred buck deposit back and wait it out a few years.
We wanted to use it for towing, and the fact that they weren't able to hit two of their pre-production metrics (price and range) were deal breakers. At least, for now.
20:00 Re: Scary/Smoky Semi-truck Brake Check. FSD should’a responded. No Park Assist or ASS? Is the monthly FSD rate locked in? Just got authorized, but deciding on tri-motor or Beast. Also, custom graphics PPF source?
We have 80 km/h limits posted on roads where sections of them you wouldn't make it around a bend at over 30. So going under a posted limit is perfectly fine, depending on the road/conditions, visibility (e.g. the brow of a hill or dip(s) reducing the view ahead, quite a lot of those in the video too) etc. etc. It's supposed to be a limit, not a "you can do this everywhere" or target.
True, but FSD drives well under the limit when conditions allow driving well over the limit, as shown early in the video. It should drive the speed limit or the set speed (over or under limit) in those conditions.
In the US 🇺🇸 they will normally change the limit going into such a turn with warning signs for a tighter turn. Sorry your county doesn’t do that.
In my state, these are not the same speed limit signs, but rather yellow signs with a suggested speed. You can go faster if you want and police can’t ticket you. In Europe, they expect people driving to have some basic skills because they actually go to driving school unlike that thing we have in America, which is two weeks of let’s watch you drive school
@@erikowren7894 Those aren't actually changes to the speed limit, they are suggestions, assuming it's a yellow sign.
In BC we have recommended corner speed limits to warn of sharp corners
How often do you have to touch the steering wheel on the highway?
How fast will hurry go over the speed limits ?
Does yours hit lane reflectors too? Mine (HW3) drifts onto perfectly visible lane lines while turning (and Tesla gets snarky bug reports)
We don't really have those here
Mine has lately in areas it never had problems before.
12:00 you can sort of see the camera pick up the black marks over the solid line which it must have thought was the line going back to broken not solid
is this on HW3 or HW4? my aging 2021 intel MY struggles a lot w recent 12.5.4 especially when making big turns
At the end 26:02 it was seeing the shadow of the power line pole apparatuses.
Is that a glimpse of it dodging potholes!!!
Ay nice catch. Could be!
I think it was the tire but yeah it was trying to dodge something
23:40 I have a guaranteed hard right fast exit I can take every time, and it has been scaring me (of hitting the guard rail) every time, so I will look forward to the integrated stack release for my HW3 2018 M3.
How did you take that FSD snapshot?
Any notes/signs of reverse being enabled for FSD?
Hi, I was wondering what would happen if you canceled your trip during driving? What does FSD do?
If you don't have a destination in the navigation, FSD just keeps going straight. If it comes to a T, it turns right.
@dirtytesla how do you record your display screen?
Here ya go th-cam.com/video/x7UyT6KCYCo/w-d-xo.html
My 23 MS using the updated v12.5.4.1 FSD started phantom braking again. Did it twice in one drive today...Yikes, scared the crap out of me because I haven't experienced that in a long time. Not sure what's going on. Also, fsd seems to be going 10mph over speed limit on back twisty roads (not good), and going 2-3 mph under speed limit on straight main roads?
Seeing this emergency brake situation really reminds me that the stock will probably plummet after tomorrow. Robo Taxi just isn't possible yet.
Thanks for the video Chris! Do you think Tesla will release a unsupervised FSD for interstates and other limited access roads first? FSD seems to be closed to that on interstates and it would be a huge sales boost for Tesla.
Please tell me they did not get rid of “Minimal Lane Changes”?
I just wanted the simple ability to stay on course and only change lanes if I tell it as it would often change lanes too slow or too late or unexpected which in itself is a driver distraction.
I definitely love the ability to adjust the speed on the fly. I've avoided tickets and stayed safe in school and construction zones. I do not use the speed offset. I'll test out all speed settings on my channel soon
@DirtyTesla - I noticed you didn't have your hands lightly on the steering wheel. Is that no longer required with the inward facing camera? Also - about crossing a white line in a construction zone. I think that's a no-no. Your supposed to stay in your lane.
With the latest version of FSD, it monitors your attention to the road so you don’t have watch the screen then keep applying turning pressure to the wheel every 60 seconds. In my opinion, that was extremely dangerous because I was watching the screen more than the road. With this version, it allows you to pay attention to the road
@@calvinwalker4654 - Disappointed you didn't directly answer my comment about HOW it monitors your attentiveness. I'm presuming it's using the inward facing camera as opposed to hands on the steering wheel/yoke.
This seems like the incremental updates that don't fix the issues people are experiencing. It was a huge upgrade to FSD v12, and then a pretty big update to 12.5, but it seems problems aren't getting fixed, which you would think would be addressed. Can't drive the speed limits? All the updates before v12 could easily drive 5 mph over without an issue. It is starting to look like unsupervised FSD may not be here soon no matter whatever the 10/10 event brings.
I would prefer if the car respected solid white lines, and only disregard them in emergency situations.
This varies by state. In California, there's no rule against crossing solid white lines.
the moment at 12:25 is so funny to me cause we all made the decision subconsciously but then the car actually matched our energy 😂
That is some beautiful countryside you are in. Is that in CA?
I think he might have said Michigan.
This is Michigan. From Milford over to Romulus.
What are you pressing to "report"?
For most of us - that feature does not exist. I think Tesla kept it for a select few TH-camrs
All of the original testers got it, at that time Tesla was calling FSD takers on the phone and asking them if they wanted to be part of the original beta testing. It was the way they were given to report issues with the system back to Tesla. In newer cars taking over or disengaging will ask if you want to leave a voice note and the button went away.
As a side note recently CyberLyft, a content creator that covers using FSD as a Uber/Lyft driver, got the button assigned to him. So it would seem that it can be assigned still. Someone must have noticed what he was doing and wanted his data.
13:46 is it just me, or is it a bit more bouncy within the lane lines?
9:03 missing indicator to the right, to exit the roundabout.
Good review of e2e highway! Been hoping to see this, well done. See you at 10/10!
Car should have moved over to allow the truck to move over for the slow car entering. That's what I do if possible.
In British Columbia it is required to give room and slow down while passing the emergency vehicles and tow trucks etc. many people get killed because people don’t slow down around pedestrians and areas where something is happening. Slow down and move over is the right thing to do.
We all should get "Autopiolt feedback" buttons on the touchscreen......
Can I get this on my HW3?
Thanks for highway video (12.5.6). Good first impression.
I just say it and I’ve never heard anybody else. Talk about this before but FSD should reduce when it’s able drunk driving accidents. No one should drive drunk whether their car can drive or not. I’m not saying that but as we know people do and if they could do so, and not endanger other people that would have to be a bonus.
How does one get FSD 12.5.6 when the Tesla Stats app doesn't show a single vehicle with it installed?
How can I add the report button on my Tesla like you do with yours? This would be great instead of having to manually disengage Autopilot and have to wait to anonymously send the report with a voice note
Only the original testers have it. Not sure why Tesla divided it up this way
@DirtyTesla
CyberLyft (FSD content creator) was recently given the button. So it is something that can be assigned.
I think that the team really does appreciate solid edge case feedback. Since you content creators put yourselves out there where they can watch how you use it, they obviously approve of your style of usage.
I have started disengaging to report bad speed limit roads. I live in a rural town and my prefered ways in and out of town have the wrong speeds. Who knows if it ever results in anything but hey it's easy enough.
can you make such a testdrive in rush hour inside a city with a lot of traffic? would be nice to see how it works there.
It's not the law in most states that you have to move over for vehicles stopped on the shoulder. For instance, here in WA and OR you only have to do so for emergency vehicles stopped on the shoulder, not any other vehicles.
I've been having this slowness problem since v12 came out. It consistently wants to drive 10% below the speed limit. I haven't seen too many people complain about it until now.
Go dirty tesla!
So hypothetical situation - Michigan interstate, 70 MPH limit, your preference is to cruise @ 80 MPH, no construction/curves/traffic- FSD will not ever reach 80 MPH on its own?
Yes it has a few times for me in standard and will be there almost always in hurry mode
FSD has a major problem for rural car owners..... that is that it is training to be a city driver. Cities usually have lots of other cars around that FSD uses to key off on as to pacing itself for speed. In a rural environment with no other cars in front... and particularly being...FSD becomes a laggard. In my own FSD testing I find that it works great if a car is behind you riding your bumper.... with no car behind FSD lollygags like it's taking in the view.
Tesla will probably need to have the car recognize it's in a rural environment and behave differently accordingly.
It still seems like FSD still has a substantial way to go to get the normal cases good enough. There must be weird cases that will require a lot more time to work out the kinks.
Interesting. My CT brakes at stop signs / lights waaaay too late. Clinch Factor: 11
FSD was apparently first released just about 2 years ago. With all the improvements since, how has emergency vehicle recognition not been solved yet??
Consider a robotaxi that doesn't recognize emergency vehicles...
💯 Chuck Cook is on this issue too. Chris, please try to get emergency vehicle behavoiur addressed. Our Model Y saw a nicely cleared left lane and made a run for it just before the emergency vehicle raced by. I stopped it in a split second but not before the vehicle slowed to a crawl to go by me! Yikes!! 🙏🙏🙏
You said you have hardware 4? Will this update also be for hardware 3?
Yep, soon. As of now HW3 and 4 are getting all the same updates.
My son's HW3 MY is getting 12.5.6.1 now, at the same time as my HW4 MY.
I don't see why 9:34 is wrong either? its stop was past the stop sign, I couldn't see any well defined line anywhere that would suggest another stop.
Because we made one stop with the vehicle in front of us. We should have made our own stop after that. We basically got lucky no one else was turning in front of us
Did you notice the car hit the correct speed on a surface street with an extra lane (24:16)? It seems like they forgot to train it on high speed two lane roads.
Did someone in the past said something along this "An input is an error..." IMO We should not have to "input" speed settings especially when aiming at a Robotaxi business.
wow at the end it was going around the black skid mark in the road. interesting. you did a report on that but it thought it was a hazzard. I wish it avoided more of those. it was in control. trust it. lol
11:49
I do believe a solid white line assigns blame if you hit someone. You can cross it, but you become responsible if, for example, someone rearends you. If you changed lanes over the solid white, it is your fault, not theirs.
This varies by state. California, where the vast plurality of not majority of Teslas live, there's no such rule specific to solid white lines. But if you change lanes at all, no matter what separates them, and you get rear-ended, of course it's your fault if you cut in too closely.
@@BigBen621 I'm in CA.
I just looked it up, and the drivers handbook is vague, saying it simply marks lanes going in the same direction. It does say that double white signifies a lane, going in the same direction, but that should not be crossed over.
My experiance was having been in an accident where I changed lanes into the fast lane and only 15ft after being in the lane a guy in a turn lane decided to not turn and came back into the lane I was now in and hit me. He had to cross over a solid white line to do so I didn't. Their insurance was complaining that we both changed lanes and it should be 50-50. My insurance said that since I changed lanes with no solid line and he had to cross the line that it was his responsibility. His insurance paid it out.
Tesla should release to whambam the comments audio of drivers when they flip out on FSD. Would be funny videos. My wife goes from sweet princess to truck driver and always addresses everything as if Elon was there listening. Cracks me up.
40% max speed offset sounds about right for lower speeds but is high for higher speeds. 25 MPH with 40% offset is 35MPH, pretty common scenario (even for continuous speed). 65 MPH with 40% offset would be 91 MPH, not real common scenario for continuous, but occasional burst for passing.
the pre-emptive lane shift at 12:30ish, damn. the ai model is really getting impressive.
Crazy impressive
I would consider the right lane to be used for slow cars and cars entering/exiting the highway. Center lane considered the "driving lane". Left lane for passing or very fast travel. This seems generally accepted across the greater US based on my experience.
Does this version include reverse? In Whole Mars video it looks like it reverses for him.
Not that I have seen
@@DirtyTesla Nevermind, he was using A.S.S. I was just confused.
I didn’t see any Phantom Breaking in this one or did I miss it? Probably one of my biggest pet peeve with FSD
I haven't had phantom braking in a long long time
I do experience them, rarely though.
Thanks for the upload, you’re my favorite FSD TH-camr!
NY here, I’m kinda glad that Hurry stays in the passing lane since up here in NY, we tend to stay there when we’re gonna be on the highway for more than 3.5 miles or so, depending on traffic. I’ve driven in other parts of the country where it doesn’t work like that, but it would be pretty annoying to me at least if it kept going to the middle lane here.
The airport? Your going to the robotaxi event?
So Elon says time between interventions has got so big safety drivers can not do enough miles to test it. ( maybe explains why so few people have got new updates)
He says they are running it in shadow mode on millions of Tesla’s ,being driven by humans , this ensembles comparison between what the human did and what the car would have done.
This is a completely new approach to evaluating the software builds!
This explains a lot.
wow, entering the 60 mph highway at 45, that's a death waiting to happen
Ya 9:35 100% right only
Great vid, hope the event goes well, uk viewer.. one day 😊
@DirtyTesla Where is this “report button” of which thou speaketh? Also, is showing the current mode at the top of the screen a new feature? My 2023 M3P (FSD 12.5.4.1) doesn’t show it …
Does this mean the Tesla Challenges will return?
0:30 first, THANK YOU for making these videos, 2nd: Your camera needs a CPL, the tree shadows are strobe lights, how is your brain not seizing watching this? I hope you are wearing sunglasses while driving through this, LOL, but seriously, THANK YOU for showing us the future, I can't wait for the next update!
wow, it doesn't end, it's worse than wind noise... edit: it ends at 3:00
Far, they can add the move-over for braking trucks in one training cycle, it's a lot closer than you think.
What are you pushing to report
I've been driving the latest version the last couple of days and it drives me crazy that it keeps declining in speed a mile at a time, just like you said. Cars around me get annoyed and have to pass. Can you image if common cruise control worked like that? Everyone would hate it! Can't wait for them to get it fixed. Keep complaining!
4:06 I personally would not be driving more than 80 kph on such a road - it also deteriorates significantly further down the road where I would personally not drive more than 70 kph, especially because there are drive ways connecting to this road. Latest at 5:06 I would not go faster than 60 kph. The speed chosen by FSD on this road seemed perfectly fine to me.
Also at 6:49 would I never ever go faster than 70 kph, as there is way too much shadows and drive ways, and therefore the chosen speed by FSD would have been totally fine with me. But I guess it comes down to the overall bad road designs in the US.
Good review.