Exactly. Balboa is the eternally optimistic underdog and you can't help but root for him. You know what he's fighting for, unlike Adonis Creed who's just a petulant child who doesn't need to fight beyond ego and fame, so why would we care about him? Those movies have tarnished Stallone's Rocky legacy IMO.
I personally don't care how the sins are counted, because I've always felt the reason Rocky comes off so creepy is due to his awkwardness, Rocky's few talents would be Boxing, his heart and putting lit cigarettes in his pockets without burning himself I don't mind the slow pacing either as it fits in the idea of the mundane life Rocky is living
Yeah, totally agree. I kind of love this movie because it's such an unconventional love story. The whole point is that Rocky and Adrian are both "losers" that no one respects, and Adrian's shyness is largely from being emotionally abused her whole life. Rocky's the only guy to take her seriously. But of course I'm not expecting deep analysis from EWW. 😀
Yeah, i know this is all for laughs and all that, but it does bug me that he's calling out the slow pacing. I actually like that it takes its time to establish the life Rocky's living and who he is in general.
Yeah I agree with you. I honestly don’t get why people care so much about the nitpick or skewed logic Sins I have my believe on the movie so it’s actually really funny watching Troy take😂. I do think they bring up good points with a movie like the wedding crashers But yeah I don’t get mad when they have “too many” or “nitpicky” Sins. I do agree he’s a dick to dogs. I can’t do that because I know I’m just teasing them. Now if I can go play with one through a fence I will but the glass tapping just seems inadvertently cruel.
To explain Gazzo's habit of giving rocky a break and always trying to throw some cash his way i can use my personal experience. The guys who grow up with you and get involved in crime later in life will always have your back especially if you guys were fighting alongside each other, some might have ulterior motives but what I've experienced most of them just want to look out for the guys from the old neighborhood. It's implied Gazzo knew rocky since they were kids and nothing about his character suggests he's ever tried to manipulate or use Rocky. Rocky wants a job collecting debts, Gazzo sets him up no problem. Rocky wants to quit, Gazzo wishes him the best and tells him if ever needs some cash he's welcome to work for him any time. BTW Gazzo is only shown to be kind only towards rocky, remember he wanted Rocky to break some bones on that collection job so clearly he can be a cold individual when he needs to be its just that rocky is genuinely his friend
"Genuinely his friend" is reinforced by Rocky II, when he offers Rocky a job, Rocky refuses, and Gazzo still has his back. And in his rematch with Creed, Gazzo is shown ringside, screaming for Rocky to do well. He legit only wanted to help Rocky and always had his back, even though he preyed upon the poor people who'd borrow from him.
Yeah, and the fight was kind of the secondary storyline in this one. That unlike it/them being the main thing in, and what the next, along with the third and fourth films were almost all about for that matter too. Granted it took time for that to be the case in the second movie when Rocky was trying to find himself again, even if that was why we watched that movie though.
The reason Adrian didn't need glasses after spending the night with Rocky was because Rocky's DNA rebooted her into a different person. Adrian didn't need glasses, became more extroverted, started standing up to Paulie, had a better sense of fashion.
But she was living a double life. I guess she needed a plausible identity in case the Corleone family took a turn for the worse and she needed to hide out.
I have never understood the movie sin timer... what's the point. It has no standard of reference or anything. It's literally the arbitrary amount of time that it takes ti read the script...
We'll to be fair, Rocky liked Adrian and was just trying to look out for her since the neighborhood wasn't that great. He was a little punch drunk a lot of the time, but he did care for her.
As far as the scene with Lil Marie and what Rocky told her, I personally believe he had her best interest at heart. And he was basically trying to enlighten her about the potential dark future she had ahead of her if she continued doing what she was doing. Basically trying to motivate her to do better.
11:45 The explanation of the title "King of Steaks" that Pat's uses is that the location where the shop is currently sitting (the intersection of the corners of South 9th Street, Wharton Street and Passyunk Avenue in South Philadelphia) is where owners Pat & Harry Olivieri created and began to sell what would become the modern cheesesteak sandwich 90 years ago in 1933, 3 years after opening the location originally to sell hot dogs. The area is well known due to the fact that directly across the street from Pat's is where Joey Vento opened his own shop, Geno's Steaks, in 1966. The two shops are still open today and are extremely successful but the title "King of Steaks" is attributed to Pat's as he created it.
i live down the block from both of them. no true Philly native eats at either them (unless super drunk at 4am and no other drunk food options available). But most of us respect Pats much more than Genos main reason being that Pats still looks exactly the same, ie- the same sign in the movie is there, whereas Genos looks like it belongs on the Las Vegas strip. we respect tradition in Philly. (side note: the best Philly cheesesteak is in northeast Philly called Dalessandro's, head to Jims if you want to stay in the city)
@@gabrielpierce1985 I visited Philly last year to see a concert and I can say that is 100% true. XD I tried 4 different places, Johns Roast Pork, Oregon, Pat's, and Ishkabibble and Johns was the best of the 4 hands down. This year I am going to hit up Dalessandro's and Jims (Last year they were closed because of a fire). Even as a non-native, I can tell that Pat's or Geno's is the way to go for late night drun-chies.
I came to the comments just to see if anyone made this point. The 4am thing is real and the only reason I've ever eaten there. Though, small correction: Dalessandro's is NW Philly.
Shoutout to Burgess Meredith for the scene at Rocky's apartment. He was nominated for Best Supporting Actor but lost to Jason Robards (All the President's Men). The category was stacked that year - Robards, Meredith, Laurence Olivier (Marathon Man), Burt Young (Rocky), and Ned Beatty (Network).
On the "Protagonist in a sports movie doubts their abilities right before the climatic event takes place" cliche, is it really a cliche if this is the original event that created all following cliches?
The ‘Rocky’ film series is the greatest of all time. That includes ‘Rocky Balboa’. We don’t speak about ‘Rocky V’. All joking aside, the franchise was worked wonders, as a means of motivation at the gym. From the music to the champion Rocky became. Rocky IV strength is legit a dream I hope to accomplish one day.
Rocky wasn't a creep to Andrian, they were both socially awkward. He didn't know how to talk to women, and she was so shy as to be antisocial. Now Paulie on the other hand, he was a pretty rotten brother.
Nah, today ANYTHING is seen as harassing towards women. Look a girls way? Harassment. Talk to her, harassment. Go on a few dates and she doesn't like you after all? Harassment. Within 5 miles of her? Harassment.
@@Adrian-wd4rn grabbing her ass after she was trying to leave the hideout you were keeping her after kidnapping her? Harassment. Yup you're right we can't do anything these day.
Bill Conti did The Karate Kid soundtracks. He also did the classic Stallone film Lock Up. Check out the piano in the main theme of that movie, it's melanchoic. But the best is the Mickey theme in Rock III. That and Gonna Fly Now are iconic.
@@igorpipuk7754 It's quite common thing in poorer parts of the world. Even in South Korea, a rich country by now, still has a famous military song depicting joint smoking with squadmates.
Up until a few years ago I had watched all the Rocky and Creed films except this one. When I finally did, I was surprised that it wasn't a sports action movie like the rest. I hadn't expected it to be as good as it is
Well Rocky II was pretty paced also. That of which I'll admit is kind of tough to get through as a result when Rocky slowly but surely begins to turn into a nobody once again. But at least you know the wait will be totally worth it when he has the epic rematch with Apollo at the end, unlike the fifth one which has few (if any) redeeming qualities though.
“Accepting a cigarette that’s already been in someone else’s mouth” Not that foreign a concept for a smoker ex smoker. When we were growing up LD’s was an expression. Other kids, or “young adults”, would see you light a cigarette and call “L D”, those 2 letters and that meant when you were going to toss your cigarette you would instead give it to the Person who called “LD’s” so they could get a free smoke and finish it.
It's the 70's and good guys have a bit of edge to them. I refer you to Saturday Night Fever, and Stallone's mangling of the main character in the sequel. Also, Rocky is a professional boxer. You get paid to fight, you're a professional.
I was always distracted by how Rocky is always bobbing around when he is just standing still. At first I thought it was because he got hit in the head too many times, but he doesnt do it in the sequels. Is it just a matter of Stallone not knowing what to do with his hands?
2:14 I submit _Saturday Night Fever_ (1977), in which we spend over *two minutes* of watching Travolta walk down a street and it is _still_ absolutely golden.
I think the pacing of the movie really reflects just how grim and mundane the 70’s were - everybody here is just kind of drifting around, hanging out on corners, broke, nothing to do, the whole place is dreary, cold and run down. Rocky is just another face in the crowd, trying to get by. Then suddenly he gets gifted a shot and everyone wants to know him, and the movie kind of moves into its next act.
You said Rocky wasn't a professional boxer, but he got paid for fighting, therefore a professional. Albeit, not at the time in the same class of fighters the promoters were looking for.
Talia Shire isn't dead! Rocky Balboa and the crap Creed films are worse off for not including Adrian and Paulie as vital characters they were in the previous films.
@@theriddick2735 Adrian was alive in the first few drafts of the script for Rocky 6. But Stallone, who was also directing, felt the film lacked emotional impact. So he and Talia Shire came to an agreement to have her character die off-screen to create an emotional chasm for Rocky from the start of the movie. And Shire publicly came out with a statement supporting the decision to have her character killed off. And it must be said, her being killed off did work for the movie, as you could see how much Rocky really missed her.
Here are all the audio outtake clips at the end: 1 (18:37): Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy (DreamWorks Pictures, 2004) 2 (18:50): Heat Electric's "Creature Comforts Tortoise" commercial (1992) 3 (18:56): Creature Comforts, "Feeding Time" (series 1, episode 6; ITV, 26th October 2003) 4 (19:07): Not Another Teen Movie (Columbia Pictures, 2001) 5 (19:13): Jaws (Universal Pictures, 1975) 6 (19:15): The Simpsons Movie (20th Century Studios, 2007) 7 (19:25): Grumpier Old Men (Warner Bros., 1995) 8 (19:44): Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy (DreamWorks Pictures, 2004)
@@douglasboyd4158 That along with the brain damage he was suffering from in Rocky V, yet was able to fight once more in Rocky Balboa when it mysteriously "healed" down the road though.
Needed to take sins off for the bar scene jump after the first knock down and for Mickey telling Rocky to stay down but him still getting up. Those two parts still get me to this day.
Hahaha! Pat became King of Steaks when Geno opened up a competing cheese steak place LITERALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. Google it, they almost share a sidewalk. Yet, they both have lines around the block. The difference? One keeps there steakums whole, the other chops them up. They both suck, go to Jim's on South or literally any other place for a better cheese steak.
I love Cinema Sins and agree with most of the sins in this one, but I don’t think they get the point of Rocky. It’s not a boxing movie. It’s a “Joe Schmo gets a chance and can’t possibly succeed”movie. My guess is they’ve never been an athlete faced with an opponent they have no chance of beating but still faced the challenge. And yes, urban American life in the ‘70s was exactly like its portrayed here. And yes, boxing in the 70s was that brutal.
11:00 The glasses For some reason, it makes me think of the Mad Magazine version of Rockhead, where they do the "take off the glasses" cliche. Adrien says, "You want to say I look beautiful without my glasses?" And Rocky says, "No, I don't want you to see where my hands are going." A lot of my memories of 70s movies come from the Mad Magazine version.
Y’all really ought to do Lethal Weapon 1987, and then the rest of the movies after that. Fun fact: Joe Spinell was actually the main character in a movie called Maniac back in the early 80s. I think it was. A very gory horror movie.
@@christianaguirre4069 I ain’t never seen it. Just reviews. And I know they remade it back in like 2007 with Elijah Wood. But you’re right, very disturbing 😳
ITS INSANE HOW I WAS LISTENING TO THE SOUNDTRACK TO THE SECOND MOVIE AND THEN SEARCHING UP THE FIRST ONE'S. Also, I watched CinemaWins' review on Creed a few days ago. Awesome!!!
“Many seconds of the Italian stallion beating someone else’s meat” that is comedicly perfect. Props to your writers. I can’t find a single way to make your description of the scene funnier
I can barely make out anything that Stallone says in this movie in this video. As for the lit cigarette in the pocket, it doesn't matter, leather doesn't burn
No, the movie isn't slow, it doesn't take too long to get started. It's called character development, which is largely lost on most people today, who seem to have the attention-spans of pre-kindergarteners.
I think CinemaSins are aware of the value of character development. They’re just being snarky, unfair or silly for the sake of it, which reads as their modus operandi. (See EWW The Princess Bride: “Who said life is fair? Where is that written? Sins aren’t always fair.”)
I started watching Rocky with Rocky 2, so I was so surprised when years later I finally watched Rocky, I think on DVD, and found it so different from the others. A good different but different.
10:14 AGREED. This scene always creeped me out. And what makes it worse is that even though it was clear she was uncomfortable coming in because she didn't want him coming on to her, he DID come onto her and she wound up giving in! Then I think about that line Rocky Balboa where he said he only wanted her to trust him. Well Rock, you kinda broke that trust. I love this movie, but ick.
"Has any sportsperson ever heard advice from the crowd and responded with, 'Well, shit. It never once occurred to me to try winning." Gold. Reminds me of one of my favorite moments in any sports movies, a brief exchange between the bat boy and Crash in Bull Durham. "Get a hit, Crash!" "Shut up."
Long story short - watching a game in the pub, some fella screaming at the tv for the whole game before getting frustrated near the end and muttering "i don't know why i bother?" As though the people in the tv were ignoring his solid advice on purpose 😅
My biggest issue with this *excellent" movie is how the buildup to the final fight takes so long and yet when we finally get there, it's anticlimactically condensed with a bunch of fades and feels too rushed.
@@lonewolf_vr I can totally understand and appreciate that. Low budget cinema can be inspiring as hell. But I certainly expected better. Especially considering how hyped this movie has been.
@@akashdefonseka It's not a movie about boxing. It's a drama about life in the 70s, street romance, Rocky's humanity etc... the boxing is just the narrative. Watch it as a love story instead of as a sports movie. That's how it was written and directed.
8:37 - Most. Accurate. Sin. Ever. If I pulled something like that, every ancestor I have back seven generations would rise from their graves to smack me.
Fun fact: not only did Cuff and Link live happily ever after, they're still alive, and still Stallone's pets IRL.
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Nice!
I always wanted a turtle but that's like a 50 year commitment
Those turtles must have some good life insurance
@Tech Craft i think it's called a shell
The film really makes you feel Rocky's desperation and feeling of inadequacy, though he's ordinarily an optimistic sort of guy.
Exactly. Balboa is the eternally optimistic underdog and you can't help but root for him. You know what he's fighting for, unlike Adonis Creed who's just a petulant child who doesn't need to fight beyond ego and fame, so why would we care about him? Those movies have tarnished Stallone's Rocky legacy IMO.
@@theriddick2735 why ? Donnie wants to reach the top
@@lexkanyima2195 Donnie was already at the top
I personally don't care how the sins are counted, because I've always felt the reason Rocky comes off so creepy is due to his awkwardness, Rocky's few talents would be Boxing, his heart and putting lit cigarettes in his pockets without burning himself
I don't mind the slow pacing either as it fits in the idea of the mundane life Rocky is living
Yeah, totally agree. I kind of love this movie because it's such an unconventional love story. The whole point is that Rocky and Adrian are both "losers" that no one respects, and Adrian's shyness is largely from being emotionally abused her whole life. Rocky's the only guy to take her seriously. But of course I'm not expecting deep analysis from EWW. 😀
Yeah, i know this is all for laughs and all that, but it does bug me that he's calling out the slow pacing. I actually like that it takes its time to establish the life Rocky's living and who he is in general.
You had me at "...don't care how the sins are..."
You are a true CinemaSins fan!
Awkward people suck. They should be jailed.
Yeah I agree with you. I honestly don’t get why people care so much about the nitpick or skewed logic Sins
I have my believe on the movie so it’s actually really funny watching Troy take😂. I do think they bring up good points with a movie like the wedding crashers
But yeah I don’t get mad when they have “too many” or “nitpicky” Sins.
I do agree he’s a dick to dogs. I can’t do that because I know I’m just teasing them. Now if I can go play with one through a fence I will but the glass tapping just seems inadvertently cruel.
That scene, that moment, where he's looking at the picture of himself as a kid and thinking about how much he let 'that' boy down is poignant magic.
Amen
That's like me IRL
To explain Gazzo's habit of giving rocky a break and always trying to throw some cash his way i can use my personal experience. The guys who grow up with you and get involved in crime later in life will always have your back especially if you guys were fighting alongside each other, some might have ulterior motives but what I've experienced most of them just want to look out for the guys from the old neighborhood. It's implied Gazzo knew rocky since they were kids and nothing about his character suggests he's ever tried to manipulate or use Rocky. Rocky wants a job collecting debts, Gazzo sets him up no problem. Rocky wants to quit, Gazzo wishes him the best and tells him if ever needs some cash he's welcome to work for him any time. BTW Gazzo is only shown to be kind only towards rocky, remember he wanted Rocky to break some bones on that collection job so clearly he can be a cold individual when he needs to be its just that rocky is genuinely his friend
"Genuinely his friend" is reinforced by Rocky II, when he offers Rocky a job, Rocky refuses, and Gazzo still has his back. And in his rematch with Creed, Gazzo is shown ringside, screaming for Rocky to do well. He legit only wanted to help Rocky and always had his back, even though he preyed upon the poor people who'd borrow from him.
In the original script, Gazzo was to be Rocky's cousin, but it was cut.
The boxing was the B-plot though, Rocky's life and character along with his relationship with Adrian are the A-plot
Yeah, and the fight was kind of the secondary storyline in this one. That unlike it/them being the main thing in, and what the next, along with the third and fourth films were almost all about for that matter too. Granted it took time for that to be the case in the second movie when Rocky was trying to find himself again, even if that was why we watched that movie though.
I agree, this commentator is full of sh!t.
Exactly…this movie is about a guy down on his luck but still appreciate life…there just happens to be boxing in the movie
cue the sin counter for cinemasins not realizing this *ding*
The reason Adrian didn't need glasses after spending the night with Rocky was because Rocky's DNA rebooted her into a different person. Adrian didn't need glasses, became more extroverted, started standing up to Paulie, had a better sense of fashion.
That Italian protein hits different
All Rocky had to do was nut and Adrian had to get her back blown out
But she was living a double life.
I guess she needed a plausible identity in case the Corleone family took a turn for the worse and she needed to hide out.
Her eyesight was able to go the distance?
Her mouth went the distance on some Italian sausage
Couldn’t even reach 100 sins after almost 18 minutes. Shows how good this film is.
And as usual, most of them are satire and BS.
the movie is shitty
As a boxing movie it’s absurd. As a human story it’s great.
I have never understood the movie sin timer... what's the point. It has no standard of reference or anything. It's literally the arbitrary amount of time that it takes ti read the script...
@@dnicej1293 I have to think that it’s intended to be a joke
Gazzo was the only one that supported Rocky unconditionally.
Yep, you wouldn't expect that from a loan shark!
Nice observation Robert!
Find yourself a mobster like Gazzo.
@@toptenguy1he’s also a proud Italian mobster. Those guys are known for treating their associates as family , until they need to whack you.
I think all the scenes with the dogs was supposed to reflect the fact that Sly bought his dog back after he sold the script to Rocky
Actually Budkis is Stallone’s dog.
@@thedeepfriar745 Yes, and he had to sell him and then bought him back. Also, it's "Butkus".
We'll to be fair, Rocky liked Adrian and was just trying to look out for her since the neighborhood wasn't that great. He was a little punch drunk a lot of the time, but he did care for her.
No CS is Just being a woke mangina hero
As far as the scene with Lil Marie and what Rocky told her, I personally believe he had her best interest at heart. And he was basically trying to enlighten her about the potential dark future she had ahead of her if she continued doing what she was doing. Basically trying to motivate her to do better.
Yep, because she was in a scene that was cut from Rocky V where Lil Marie turned out the way he said she would!
@@sunnyjohnson992 Seriously or are you making this up? That would have been AWESOME if true, lol.
@@truittadams6019 I believe sunny is correct. There’s like an extended scene somewhere that shows it.
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@@sunnyjohnson992 And another actor took over her character who turned out pretty OK in 2006's Rocky Balboa.
Surprised you've never done this one. Sin The Godfather next
Sin logan witham next for being named after wolverine and having the intelligence of meat
@@CharcoalSparkssin CharcoalSparks for not only insulting someone for no reason, but self promoting in his other 6 comments.
Yes, please, it'd be an offer that Jeremy couldn't refuse! 😉😁
@CharcoalSparks Ooh we got a badass over here. Actually was named for Wolverine though, nailed that
I’m unsubscribing if he sins the godfather…🛑 it
11:45 The explanation of the title "King of Steaks" that Pat's uses is that the location where the shop is currently sitting (the intersection of the corners of South 9th Street, Wharton Street and Passyunk Avenue in South Philadelphia) is where owners Pat & Harry Olivieri created and began to sell what would become the modern cheesesteak sandwich 90 years ago in 1933, 3 years after opening the location originally to sell hot dogs. The area is well known due to the fact that directly across the street from Pat's is where Joey Vento opened his own shop, Geno's Steaks, in 1966. The two shops are still open today and are extremely successful but the title "King of Steaks" is attributed to Pat's as he created it.
They're also overhyped afaik
i live down the block from both of them. no true Philly native eats at either them (unless super drunk at 4am and no other drunk food options available). But most of us respect Pats much more than Genos main reason being that Pats still looks exactly the same, ie- the same sign in the movie is there, whereas Genos looks like it belongs on the Las Vegas strip. we respect tradition in Philly. (side note: the best Philly cheesesteak is in northeast Philly called Dalessandro's, head to Jims if you want to stay in the city)
@@gabrielpierce1985 I visited Philly last year to see a concert and I can say that is 100% true. XD I tried 4 different places, Johns Roast Pork, Oregon, Pat's, and Ishkabibble and Johns was the best of the 4 hands down. This year I am going to hit up Dalessandro's and Jims (Last year they were closed because of a fire). Even as a non-native, I can tell that Pat's or Geno's is the way to go for late night drun-chies.
I came to the comments just to see if anyone made this point.
The 4am thing is real and the only reason I've ever eaten there.
Though, small correction: Dalessandro's is NW Philly.
@@gabrielpierce1985 Little nitpick, Dalessandro's is in Northwest, in Roxborough.
Shoutout to Burgess Meredith for the scene at Rocky's apartment. He was nominated for Best Supporting Actor but lost to Jason Robards (All the President's Men). The category was stacked that year - Robards, Meredith, Laurence Olivier (Marathon Man), Burt Young (Rocky), and Ned Beatty (Network).
Literally some of the best supporting actor roles in cinema history. Why was that such a good year for movies?
One of the most inspiring films of all time, whether story wise or production wise.
Talia Shire provided a bunch of her own clothes for Adrian’s character since their budget was so low
On the "Protagonist in a sports movie doubts their abilities right before the climatic event takes place" cliche, is it really a cliche if this is the original event that created all following cliches?
Bro this is the perfect question lol
Cinemasins don't care
Is it really cliche if that is what happens to most combat athletes? Even the champions get nervous before the fights.
Regarding Adrian's glasses: Isnt the obvious answer that she got contacts? Yes, even soft contacts were available in 1976.
The ‘Rocky’ film series is the greatest of all time. That includes ‘Rocky Balboa’. We don’t speak about ‘Rocky V’. All joking aside, the franchise was worked wonders, as a means of motivation at the gym. From the music to the champion Rocky became. Rocky IV strength is legit a dream I hope to accomplish one day.
That glasses removal scene where you altered the music was hysterical 😆
Rocky wasn't a creep to Andrian, they were both socially awkward. He didn't know how to talk to women, and she was so shy as to be antisocial.
Now Paulie on the other hand, he was a pretty rotten brother.
Nah, today ANYTHING is seen as harassing towards women. Look a girls way? Harassment. Talk to her, harassment. Go on a few dates and she doesn't like you after all? Harassment. Within 5 miles of her? Harassment.
@@Adrian-wd4rn grab the gummy Venus de Milo that's attached to her pants? Harassment
@@Adrian-wd4rn grabbing her ass after she was trying to leave the hideout you were keeping her after kidnapping her? Harassment.
Yup you're right we can't do anything these day.
@@davincent98 That episode was wild
Lucky Adrian has Sonny, Alfredo and Michael especially Fredo
You're seriously sinning the most inspirational and best underdog story movie of all time? Cue padding the sin count, folks.
When they're sinning the Rocky forgiving Mickey part, I just couldn't help but stare at the train passing. Liked it
I just learned a few days ago Bill Conti also wrote the theme to American Gladiators.
Bill Conti just built a nation of Rockys for over 20 years.
He's a Co-writer on "You're the Best" from Karate Kid, too. Bill Conti is the ultimate pop culture "underdog needs to f--- someone up" songwriter.
Bill Conti did The Karate Kid soundtracks. He also did the classic Stallone film Lock Up. Check out the piano in the main theme of that movie, it's melanchoic. But the best is the Mickey theme in Rock III. That and Gonna Fly Now are iconic.
He was Brilliant
"Accepting a cigarette that has already been in someone else's mouth"
Clearly you've never smoked a joint with someone.
not everyone is a degenerate.
@@igorpipuk7754 Hey if smoking a joint with someone qualifies me as a degenerate, then I guess I'm guilty. 🤷♂️
@@igorpipuk7754 It's quite common thing in poorer parts of the world. Even in South Korea, a rich country by now, still has a famous military song depicting joint smoking with squadmates.
Or ever been a cigarette smoker.
The boxing is really good in these movies, but the love story is next level, I was really surprised for it to be so emotional.
When you changed the music to horror movie music when Rocky asked Adrian to take her glasses off, I lost it 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Me too😂😂
It works so perfectly too
Up until a few years ago I had watched all the Rocky and Creed films except this one. When I finally did, I was surprised that it wasn't a sports action movie like the rest. I hadn't expected it to be as good as it is
Well Rocky II was pretty paced also. That of which I'll admit is kind of tough to get through as a result when Rocky slowly but surely begins to turn into a nobody once again. But at least you know the wait will be totally worth it when he has the epic rematch with Apollo at the end, unlike the fifth one which has few (if any) redeeming qualities though.
Only one I haven’t watched even part of is the 2006 Rocky Balboa movie.
Yes. the slow pace was on purpose
@@freakyfornashthe street fight in V is cool.
@@albinwallen634 Maybe somewhat, but it still paled in comparison to Rocky's epic boxing matches at the same time though.
The problem with sinning this movie the way you did, is that this isn't a boxing movie, It's a romance with boxing
“Accepting a cigarette that’s already been in someone else’s mouth”
Not that foreign a concept for a smoker ex smoker.
When we were growing up LD’s was an expression. Other kids, or “young adults”, would see you light a cigarette and call “L D”, those 2 letters and that meant when you were going to toss your cigarette you would instead give it to the Person who called “LD’s” so they could get a free smoke and finish it.
It's the 70's and good guys have a bit of edge to them. I refer you to Saturday Night Fever, and Stallone's mangling of the main character in the sequel. Also, Rocky is a professional boxer. You get paid to fight, you're a professional.
At 6:45 Rocky is wearing Mr Magoo glasses. He must be in his 40’s or legally blind. Ding.
I was always distracted by how Rocky is always bobbing around when he is just standing still. At first I thought it was because he got hit in the head too many times, but he doesnt do it in the sequels. Is it just a matter of Stallone not knowing what to do with his hands?
Maybe that but in boxing training they teach you to not stay still. The seasoned boxers always move around a little, they call it “active relaxation”
And still...nobody sees the love story that's in plain sight. To me, its really a Love story with boxing...
Definitely is in my Top5 favorite movies!
2:14 I submit _Saturday Night Fever_ (1977), in which we spend over *two minutes* of watching Travolta walk down a street and it is _still_ absolutely golden.
Speaking of running shoes, Joe Frazier actually did his running, or “road work” as he called it, in work boots.
Sylvester Stallone kept the turtles as personal pets after this movie. Last I heard, they're still alive and he's still caring for them.
Literally just watched this for the first time ever last night and then you guys post this the day after. Talk about timing.
same lol
Surprised he didn’t give a sin for Rocky having two swollen eyes yet instantly noticed that Adrian didn’t have her hat on.
I always watch the Scene where she loses hat
I think the pacing of the movie really reflects just how grim and mundane the 70’s were - everybody here is just kind of drifting around, hanging out on corners, broke, nothing to do, the whole place is dreary, cold and run down. Rocky is just another face in the crowd, trying to get by. Then suddenly he gets gifted a shot and everyone wants to know him, and the movie kind of moves into its next act.
You said Rocky wasn't a professional boxer, but he got paid for fighting, therefore a professional. Albeit, not at the time in the same class of fighters the promoters were looking for.
You're acting like the NCAA pre-2021
Homie cooked in this one. “Death on the Nile” catching a random stray was hilarious 😂
“Not enough to put you in Rocky 6”🤣 that had me rolling.
Talia Shire had died by the time he made the 6th movie...that's why Adrian was already dead as well.
Talia Shire isn't dead! Rocky Balboa and the crap Creed films are worse off for not including Adrian and Paulie as vital characters they were in the previous films.
@@theriddick2735 Paulie is dead though.
@@theriddick2735 Adrian was alive in the first few drafts of the script for Rocky 6. But Stallone, who was also directing, felt the film lacked emotional impact. So he and Talia Shire came to an agreement to have her character die off-screen to create an emotional chasm for Rocky from the start of the movie. And Shire publicly came out with a statement supporting the decision to have her character killed off.
And it must be said, her being killed off did work for the movie, as you could see how much Rocky really missed her.
Here are all the audio outtake clips at the end:
1 (18:37): Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy (DreamWorks Pictures, 2004)
2 (18:50): Heat Electric's "Creature Comforts Tortoise" commercial (1992)
3 (18:56): Creature Comforts, "Feeding Time" (series 1, episode 6; ITV, 26th October 2003)
4 (19:07): Not Another Teen Movie (Columbia Pictures, 2001)
5 (19:13): Jaws (Universal Pictures, 1975)
6 (19:15): The Simpsons Movie (20th Century Studios, 2007)
7 (19:25): Grumpier Old Men (Warner Bros., 1995)
8 (19:44): Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy (DreamWorks Pictures, 2004)
I love Cinema Sins but I REALLY love when they do the “oldies” ….
This isn't an oldie. 😛
@@zarquondam It was made almost half a century ago - I think it's reached "oldie" status
@@Budaniel yeah, it's oldie now...oldie but AWESOME
I do miss movies devoting more time to character development than the conflict. And even taking the time for Mickey to walk up stairs.
The continuity in this franchise is wild
Biggest issue for me is the blindness in his eye in Rocky 2.....then is never mentioned again in any other Rocky film.
@@douglasboyd4158 That part
@@douglasboyd4158 Or when Rocky son goes from like being 5 years old to a whole teenager in the next film lol.
@@douglasboyd4158 Rocky's like an old TV. He got socked in the side of the head and the eye worked again. 😛
@@douglasboyd4158 That along with the brain damage he was suffering from in Rocky V, yet was able to fight once more in Rocky Balboa when it mysteriously "healed" down the road though.
I recently binged Rocky 1-5 and I was SOOO shocked that basically the only fight Rocky 1 and 2 had were in the final 15 minutes 😭😭😭
Watched these movies all the time in high school! As I’m watching them again, they kinda hit differently now!
No one's ever gone the distance with Creed. "Mrs Creed disagrees..."
🤣 Holy shit.... I'm dead.
If you watched Creed, she's not the only other one to go the distance.
I seem to have lost my memory of the first half of this movie and im begining to think i may never have actually watched all of the first movie before
Stallone really grew into his face over the years.
Needed to take sins off for the bar scene jump after the first knock down and for Mickey telling Rocky to stay down but him still getting up. Those two parts still get me to this day.
That intense extra was definitely William Dafoe in a wig.
👏🏻😂
Hahaha! Pat became King of Steaks when Geno opened up a competing cheese steak place LITERALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. Google it, they almost share a sidewalk. Yet, they both have lines around the block. The difference? One keeps there steakums whole, the other chops them up. They both suck, go to Jim's on South or literally any other place for a better cheese steak.
I love Cinema Sins and agree with most of the sins in this one, but I don’t think they get the point of Rocky. It’s not a boxing movie. It’s a “Joe Schmo gets a chance and can’t possibly succeed”movie. My guess is they’ve never been an athlete faced with an opponent they have no chance of beating but still faced the challenge. And yes, urban American life in the ‘70s was exactly like its portrayed here. And yes, boxing in the 70s was that brutal.
HOW HOW HOW, did you Cinema Sins miss Apollo saying "On America's birthday January the 1st"
...AND wins an Academy Award!
Well, I AM Italian-American and you guys are absolutely right about throwing the turkey out
“Yo Adrian I got us a TV from the Black Friday sale”
I miss when Cinema Sins was actually about mistakes in wardrobe or props or plot holes. Not satire.
While there's always been actual nitpicks and criticism, jokes like these have been here since the start.
Was not expecting a 'Creature Comforts' clip at the end. That show was legendary
I think Sylvester Stallone needs to come with subtitles because most of the time you can't understand what he's saying
11:00
The glasses
For some reason, it makes me think of the Mad Magazine version of Rockhead, where they do the "take off the glasses" cliche. Adrien says, "You want to say I look beautiful without my glasses?" And Rocky says, "No, I don't want you to see where my hands are going."
A lot of my memories of 70s movies come from the Mad Magazine version.
Y’all really ought to do Lethal Weapon 1987, and then the rest of the movies after that.
Fun fact: Joe Spinell was actually the main character in a movie called Maniac back in the early 80s. I think it was. A very gory horror movie.
I've seen Maniac before. It's not that gory it's just really disturbing lol
@@christianaguirre4069 I ain’t never seen it. Just reviews. And I know they remade it back in like 2007 with Elijah Wood. But you’re right, very disturbing 😳
CinemaSins have sinned the first Lethal Weapon film.
@@theriddick2735 really? I never been able to find it
@@RayNotCharles th-cam.com/video/aEguaXrhiQA/w-d-xo.html this should work.
ITS INSANE HOW I WAS LISTENING TO THE SOUNDTRACK TO THE SECOND MOVIE AND THEN SEARCHING UP THE FIRST ONE'S. Also, I watched CinemaWins' review on Creed a few days ago. Awesome!!!
Jesus christ dude...the fight isn't the point of the movie. It's the culmination of the rest of the movie.
Watch the Rocky franchise every week getting ready for my first year in the PBR
“Many seconds of the Italian stallion beating someone else’s meat” that is comedicly perfect. Props to your writers. I can’t find a single way to make your description of the scene funnier
oh my god
10:55 Dang. That actually was scary.
I can barely make out anything that Stallone says in this movie in this video. As for the lit cigarette in the pocket, it doesn't matter, leather doesn't burn
I loved the reference of calling Gazzo a real maniac. I dunno too many people who know Joe Spinell as the “Maniac.” What a crazy movie THAT was!
I love how if it's a good movie the sins are always utter and complete bullshit 😂😂 this guy
I didn't see Rocky until 2018. Totally worthwhile, despite its warts.
You want to know what the saddest part is? The only reason I know Rocky's turtles are named "Cuff" and "Link" is from Mad Magazine......
Pleased too see you still making videos love this stuff .
He flicked the cigarette, he didn’t put a lit cig in the pocket. Cmon now
YES I’ve been waiting years for you to release this one!!!
No, the movie isn't slow, it doesn't take too long to get started. It's called character development, which is largely lost on most people today, who seem to have the attention-spans of pre-kindergarteners.
I think CinemaSins are aware of the value of character development. They’re just being snarky, unfair or silly for the sake of it, which reads as their modus operandi. (See EWW The Princess Bride: “Who said life is fair? Where is that written? Sins aren’t always fair.”)
I started watching Rocky with Rocky 2, so I was so surprised when years later I finally watched Rocky, I think on DVD, and found it so different from the others. A good different but different.
10:14 AGREED. This scene always creeped me out. And what makes it worse is that even though it was clear she was uncomfortable coming in because she didn't want him coming on to her, he DID come onto her and she wound up giving in! Then I think about that line Rocky Balboa where he said he only wanted her to trust him. Well Rock, you kinda broke that trust. I love this movie, but ick.
If she didn’t like him and didn’t want to come in she would’ve just turned around and walked away
@@MrFTBL2000 not sure Adrian was very low confidence, looked a little like she didn’t feel she could say no…..
FFS
Yes I love this movie but it always bugs me that he traps her and kisses her despite her trying to leave
I love Rocky. Everything about it beggining to end. All sins removed 😅
"Has any sportsperson ever heard advice from the crowd and responded with, 'Well, shit. It never once occurred to me to try winning."
Gold. Reminds me of one of my favorite moments in any sports movies, a brief exchange between the bat boy and Crash in Bull Durham.
"Get a hit, Crash!"
"Shut up."
Long story short - watching a game in the pub, some fella screaming at the tv for the whole game before getting frustrated near the end and muttering "i don't know why i bother?" As though the people in the tv were ignoring his solid advice on purpose 😅
My biggest issue with this *excellent" movie is how the buildup to the final fight takes so long and yet when we finally get there, it's anticlimactically condensed with a bunch of fades and feels too rushed.
i mean, he says the film was made in like a month with a extremely small budget. That is your answer
@@lonewolf_vr I can totally understand and appreciate that. Low budget cinema can be inspiring as hell. But I certainly expected better. Especially considering how hyped this movie has been.
@@akashdefonseka It's not a movie about boxing. It's a drama about life in the 70s, street romance, Rocky's humanity etc... the boxing is just the narrative. Watch it as a love story instead of as a sports movie. That's how it was written and directed.
That horror score got me. 🤣😂
Wait you only JUST did rocky???? I find that crazy somehow lmfao
8:37 - Most. Accurate. Sin. Ever. If I pulled something like that, every ancestor I have back seven generations would rise from their graves to smack me.
I never watched Rocky glad I got this instead!
Rocky is one of the greatest love stories ever
Silverster wrote this movie
Nice never gets old
But he knew that deep down this movie contains bunch of sins !!
He mentioned that in the video.😉
Haven’t watch a cinemasins video in forever and I had forgotten why. Now I remember
Same😂
I know that you know that movies in the 70s were paced very slowly. Good work as always.
That turtle scene at the end was so funny lol
Honestly, I prefer Rocky 2 in the same way that I prefer Terminator 2 to Terminator 1.
Oh gosh! 😂😂 Switching up the score to show how creepy the removal of Adrian's glasses scene was was hilarious! And accurate 👌🏾
Still my favorite movie in the franchise.
My teacher is from Philadelphia (I live in Florida), and she once visited the famous Rocky Steps!
i watched rocky for the first time when i was about 13 and even then i was like "this is really creepy i dont think this is how you get girls"....
15:14 Die Hard takes place all on the same day during the X-mas holiday. Rocky takes place over the course of several months.