What's the point of FPV with a headtracker? And why it's so cool.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ค. 2024
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Dogfight and formation flying in fixed-wing cockpit is the closest to flying full scale planes there is. So glad you are featuring head-tracking!
That would be insane!
cool idea.
@@geddon436 not just an idea, we are already putting it into practice!
Hi NURK I just missed it. I have been using headtracker for different RC vehicles. My Freedom fox airplane, RC car and wing. Luckily I'm in a wheelchair so I don't fall over when flying. Thanks again for the video
Glad you're finding good use for it all!
I like the shots of going through the gaps in the trees up high and then dropping down.
The drop downs are what I think the biggest opportunity are!
I can see a lot of possibilities with this, especially the backwards reveal shots and even looking up for easy power loops. Great video guys 👍
Absolutely!
Exactly, we are only scratching the surface of what’s possible, excited for more people to learn it
100% agree !!!
That is invented from ages, not sure what take you for surprise now...
"u gotta feel what the drone is doin as u flying it" thats it. masterclass
I’ve watched you for so long! The way you get so excited and into the new tech is why I watch you 🧠!
Same, this was a cool to see
Nurk, I'm so happy to see you trying this! I sent you an email about this a couple months ago and I'm glad you got in contact with medlindrone.
Keep practicing! It gets more natural as you get used to it. It took me 15ish packs before I really got into the groove of it.
One of my favorite moves is to fly full speed at the subject and come to a dead stop, then fly backwards all while maintaining the framing of the subject. it takes some practice to synchronize your head tilt and finger movements but becomes second nature eventually.
I want to explore adding a second axis to allow for pan and well as tilt, because i find myself trying to turn my head left/right to look in that direction, I noticed Winston trying to do that once or twice in this video, lol.
I'll keep practicing!
Thanks for sharing the vision Jamie, also you can integrate the head tracker into the Yaw channel with some mixing in the transmitter, I haven’t tried it but I have thought about it
Holy Crap. Back and forth?
Damb. That's SWEET!!!
Yesss, check out the channel if you want to see more about it
What I like about this is that you can bring along a "passenger" who can have his own independent head tracking. This could not only be useful for recreation, but search and rescue as well. Four eyes are better than two.
I'm building one of these single axis setups now but would love to figure this out. More like a professional camera drone where the camera is piloted by a second controller. I'm wondering how this would be done. As i think about it, you could just have those 3 channels on a second TX, buddy boxed, or trainer ported into the original tx.
New film title idea.. 'Don't look up, when ya wanna go down'..Oooerr ! ;)
Some ideas:
-dampening and curves for smoother shots
-naked GoPro and a larger 3D-Printed lever for more up-/downtilt
-OSD Degree-Indicator..something like they have for the attitude in fighter plane HUDs
very promising for cinematic productions
It's already pretty dampened, actually. We just were throwing our heads haha
Hey Nurk. Glad to see my Headtracker software being used by the pros. :) Your videos among others peaked my interest and got me back into this hobby a few years ago. Keep up the good work!
This is so awesome! I cant wait to get mine set up!
Good luck!
so tricky to fly like this. In addition to the normal but very high spatial awareness needed to fly FPV, you now have to be able to use your head in a completely separate way, while your hands remain steady flying just like normal. Not being able to properly keep track of what the two things are doing will mess with altitude and angles. It really is a whole mind-f*ck of a piloting trick. But Nurk pretty much nailed it already, proving once again that he is from another planet and is determined to showing us mere mortals how deep the FPV hobby can go. 👍🏼👍🏼
Check out the channel if you want to see more about it
This is what should've came on the DJI FPV drone, also looks to be great setup for a 2 person quad setup for more controllability in unique shots.
yeah, thats what I was thinking, in a lot of those shoots with massive drones and a huge camera on a gimbal strapped under it usually have someone separate operating the camera's direction
Works as single or dual operator
love your smile ar 9:42 xD
you look so naturly happy with your toy xD
Head tracking looks like exactly what we need to frame up a shot 👊🏼
The Nurk had a twinkle in his eye and wonderment in his voice. Always the consummate cinematographer seeing possibility in re-pioneering head tracking.
Gotta appreciate how good you both are as pilots. For you two to both have a take away of wonder and newly challenged to fly like a real pilot would actually in the cockpit. Humbling and exciting VR
you know I had a twinkle
Beautiful gent! Been on this dream for my plane for the last year. Finally finished the plane (3-d printed Eclipson Model R) and now focusing on the tracking :)
Very nice!
To be honest, that was really fun to watch. My wife an I had literally just had a talk about head tracking an fpv yesterday. We both wondered what it would be like an could be useful for when flying fpv.
Awesome 👍 just awesome! Great video, fun And informative.
Medlin has done some experimentation with a quirk gyro for the horizon lock, and then the head track for the vertical. There is a blog post on it. It also it works with larger cameras on a THICC.
For a first try with that system you both did fantastic! I'm sure with some training you could master it.
Awesome work pilots. The up tilt needs more range for solid backwards flight. You're dialing in the key issue for fpv backward flight. Thank you!
Thanks, will do!
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I'm sure we will see alot of this in your 2022 reel, this has so much potential.
Great video this is a great idea
The big thing I want, is someway to have a crosshair on the dji feed showing the default head position vert and horizon. So you can come back to center without having to wait for the feeling.
This! 👍🏼
Can you make a deadzone like trackir so the center position is sticky?
It sure adds complication to the situation. If there's anyone who can figure out a way to utilize it, it's you Paul. Thanks guys for a look at this, glad you did it so I won't have to. I'll be watching to see how/iif you actually put it in service for your film making.
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this concept looks really cool i could picture slow chases where you fly in stab mode being much cooler being able to always kinda center your subject and not worry about over rotating while your camera isnt normal
Yup
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Great product!
Medlin's got it figured out!
This is awesome. The possibilities are endless. I really like how you have it set up for just a GoPro though and not both cams. That seems wayote logical to use smoothly. But it'd be really cool if you had the ability to look backwards so you could follow it. But obviously not just breaking your neck backwards. Maybe set it up to raise or lost your head and it slowly pans in one direction or the other.
Totally agree!
Pretty cool!! Looks really hard to fly lol.. definitely would take some getting use to.. Winston's orbits were pretty cool 👍👍
Yes indeed!
Takes some practice but worth learning
Reminds me of the old skyzone goggles that could do stereoscopic 3d. Was a neat experience, this looks fun too.
I love this tilt tracking! please do more videos about it :)
Shoot some mountain biking with it!
i'll get right on that
Well that F'ing rocks. HDO2 doesn't have a head tracker, and I'm not going back to my Attitude V2s just to get it back, so now I have an alternative.
lots of tricks to do with this, but imagine a trippy spin where the camera angle stays the same but the spin speed increases and decreases, maybe even reverses. or some "look down" tracking shots while doing split S's to give a whole new sense of height and freefall.
You get it
Looks legit. I am going to try this.
Finally someone did this!
medlin drones has been on top of it for a while
Great video Nurk! I would love to try that out with filming mountainboarding or BASE jumpers
You should!
I always forget to like, i'll run thru and click a heap at some point, as I've watched most of it, love your work btw, it's totally amazing
Appreciate you!
Oh, Yes! Very cool guys! Flying over aircraft boneyards, through ship hatches at floating naval museums, through caves with cliffs, etc.
Go through wooded areas, see through tubes like those of water slides, down through abandoned nuclear cooling towers and plants like the abandoned Tennessee site, abandoned theme parks, and manufacturing plants, too.
I definitely think this is best for changing your camera to when flying faster and slower and to always have the object you are filming in shot
That would feel so unnatural, cause drones are "supposed" to fly where you're looking. But you could for sure get some awesome footage with this. Awesome video.
Yess a Nurk Video! Iv been in withdrawal!
Hope you enjoyed it! We have a bunch more content on the way, but we've been filming so much we haven't had as much time as we need to edit.
DJI mavic had this feature with the old boxy DJI goggles. It was awesome to fly and look around.
yep
this is really slick. I would be able to do though because I have enough trouble not crashing as it is.
Crashing is part of the fun
Excellent tool for chasing up or down hill :)
definitely
@@NURKFPV try without head tracking and instead use a potentiometer on your radio thats what i woud do :)
That would be cool if you combine it with a 3rd person view of the drone so you always know your orientation.
Cool Video!😁
@nurk FPV I would try using the down tilt for chasing athletes downhill like mtb at red bull rampage; or big mountain free skiers. I had heard gab707 was using negative tilt for following snowboarders downhill; not sure if he still does. But that’s what I think would allow for this cooler above then level and reveal by chasing an athlete.
What you need is a permanent frame of reference to know exactly where you are looking in relation to the position of the aircraft. I can see this being accomplished by either placing a physical plastic bubble with tic marks over the top of the camera or developing a software overlay that moves with the camera. If you could adapt the same camera gimbal to the quadcopter that you have on the fixed wing, you could literally fly it like a fighter pilot, watching exactly where you'd be flying, and hovering with your viewpoint horizontal rather than just looking up at an angle.
Flipping cool Nurk! Well done. Definitely see this opening up some unique new shot opportunities. Would be very interested to see if this could work with maybe a roll-axis horizon lock for (car) chase videos.... like flying sideways and maybe backwards but keeping the subject in frame and horizon locked?
The One thing i was missing form the abilities of dji drones finally got put into fpv. Thanks nurk for sharing. I think there will be a Time when all rtf cinewhoops will have an option for naked gopros :-)
yessir!@
Pretty sweet Paul. I would definitely want to try it . Let me know what you do next with this bro. I have a feeling you got something coming. Looking forward to it. 👍🤘🏻
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@@medlindrone I’m already subbed to Paul
@@FlyZoneFpv Sure, just saying if you wanted to learn more about this system for fpv drones, it's what Medlin Drone is all about.
On the tilting camera, you’re probably getting queasy because you keep waiting till the last second and snap your head down. Smooth motions.
i would really like to see a build video on how you did this. that would be great!
Here’s an idea for a video: Try to wire the head tracking receive into the FC so you can fly the drone by looking around, all you have to control is the throttle from the normal rc controller.
keep an eye out
Ooooooh snap
That's awesome! I guess we can add an AUX to re-center the camera via a switch or button. To be sure to not have a desync with positions :) Great jobs guys !
There are ways to remote re-center but its a little tricky
Hello I am a huge fan of yours and you're one of the few people on here that I'll listen to and can understand so much easier than most and you explain everything in detail that makes people like me understand a lot more about all the fpv stuff and by the way you do such a awesome awesome job explaining betaflight and everything to help people out on here I can imagine how many people you would actually helped out over the years from the knowledge you know about about this stuff, but anyway I wish you would actually give me a text if you ever got a chance because I got me a radio Master TX 16s and I also have a happy model mob Life 7 brand new in a box I also have a couple tp3s motors cameras everything to put together frames and all but I would like to put Express lrs receivers on them eventually the thing about all this I'm 53 years old on a very busy person I would love to have the time to sit down and learn betta flight and this new radio go I got I am totally lost on it right now LOL I'm used to running spectrum and I was just now getting the hang of it then something else pops up but right now I would like to get my happy model my bike 7 two of my tp3's built with expresslos and analog because I cannot afford digital none whatsoever that's a long long ways off I don't even have a pair of fpv gargle yet, I got into drones when it first came out I'm a pretty good line of flight flyer and always wanted to learn fpv but man this hobby gets expensive I was wondering I have his church group that I started a flying group at church it picked up for a while and was really doing really great among the kids and some of the adults and then covid hit and everything started slowing back down but now it's starting to pick up again bigger than ever especially inside micro drones. kabob at an at FP cycle was truly nice enough to donate some items to the young kids at my church to help him get into this hobby and I really got to think this guy he really come through and I was wondering if it's possible if you have so many drones fpv equipment goggles that if it's possible that you'd be willing to maybe think about donating to this great cause a flying club for young children and man you should see the looks on there face under out there flying and having fun there's no words can explain it I am willing to buy or pay for shipping costs if you have any extra items that you never use anymore we are really really hurting for fpv goggles more than anything but I figured I'd just give it a shot and see what happens my name is Bill and you can always text me yet 423-502-1774 my address is 1317 Cora ln, N0 7 in Johnson City Tennessee maybe you can tell your friends about us also I love to watch your channel and how you review all your items and several other channels of people will be in their items and all I can think is they have so many drones and equipment it surely they don't fly all the time and they can make some kids very very happy by donating them and put them to use so thank you very much I look forward to hearing from you and keep up the great work
I always thought headtracking would be pretty much useless on a fpv drone. I never even considered the vertical axis 😂😂. There is definitely some amazing things you can do with headtracking on a quad
yepper
When I got started I was getting serious motion sickness with quad fpv. Got a headtracker and mixed pitch, roll and yaw from the headtracker into the sticks. Could literally fly the drone with head movements just needed throttle on the sticks, no more motion sickness. Over time reduced the mix until I was just on sticks.
We may or may not be thinking about messing with this
That's Awesome! Maybe it could be cool to have the GoPro head tracked to someone who's not piloting. That way, the pilot could focus on the flight and the head tracking can be done separately. Either way, sounds fun!
We've played around with that in the past, too. There's some value in having the operator be able to see what the camera sees too.
@@NURKFPV 👍 Agreed, minus the queasiness. 😂
It works as single or dual operator
@@medlindrone 👍 nice!
Classic turn about a point is true pilot point of view. Doing VR adding 360 immersion and interactivity is the “final frontier” experiencial product. Well truth is, you are a team most qualified to push to find new frontiers and you have the clients that are hungry for realistic footage. I am truely excited for my own efforts to learn and use this.
Can't wait to find new frontiers!
Dude I've been thinking about this too! I bought an Arduino BLE Nano that I could hook up for head tracking pretty easily, tested only with PC games so far though (another cool use feature of the free software out there).
I've been trying to work out if running a "passenger" VTX would work. A whole second DJI Caddx Vista setup and GoPro with smooth 360deg head tracking, bottom-mounted to a larger explorer drone (6inch+ I guess). The passenger/camera operator would have some of the coolest views looking down while you cruise them around.
love it!
i love my head trackers, one thing i do is have a channel override on a switch so that opentx FORCES the pan/tilt to the front center and use it for landing and takeoff
That's a great idea
@@NURKFPV yea works well especially if you have one of those "oh shit" moments, flick a switch and everything is "normal" :D
i've always wanted variable camera tilt, head tracking might be a more intuitive control, but i would prefer it on a slider
I set mine up where a switch changes control from the head tracker to a slider, I use the slider for testing
autonomous flight with head tracking is awesome
nurk look up the 3 axis gimbals we used to use on old the old 3dr solo drones. i made one for about 150 and it worked great with a gp hero 4, my hero 8 weighs more now. RN i'm looking at lifting an OG BMPCC with a 6s 5"
I would keep looking up and to the right
For use on a drone, using an OSD horizon indicator might be helpful, of course, that eliminates DJI with their limited OSD.
think very useful when flying in reverse and downward descent shots like you demo'd. also, I think this would be cool on quick RC vehicles when you can start of low to the ground and tilting up or down as you arrive at your subject.
Cool idea!
This guy gets it
I think what would make a head tracker top notch is a VTX that interfaces with a 360 camera and the flight controller, transmitting only a small FOV of the 360 camera, but changing that FOV with your head tracker input from the FC/RX.
Nurk you have lost a lot of weight! 💪
I feel like this would be amazing for massive cinematic drones. One person can fly regular fpv no head tracker and another person controlling the actual camera with their head. Idk just think its cool
100%!
so, this might be too odd to fly but I'd love to try the head tracker plumbed into the actual pitch of the drone in angle mode or something like that. could make some cool shots, could not work at all!
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This looks like a lot of fun. Have you considered a secondary VTX on a different channel so you could have a camera operator maintaining the shot and the pilot flying regular FPV?
Works as single or dual operator
Dual operator was my first thought for Nurk's cinematic work. He could fly with either standard or head-tracked and then the camera operator could operate the camera just by looking at what they want to frame.
WTF, epic! I can't wait for you to use this on a shot on a job. Would be sooooo scary and epic to fly with a RED. Leave it to Nurk to make a two opp drone and fly it single pilot.
They are working on a version for the Thicc to be able to tilt a bigger camera!
Head tracking would be awesome for another person in charge of the second camera for some super customized shots
Imma need to find more simulator's with a camera angle axis bindable to the controller. The possibilities!!! **MUST TEST**
mmmhmm
Liftoff allows this but its not the same, DVR Simulator allows a similar experience but requires using VR goggles
You did sooo much better than I expected, well done.
With having 2 variable angles (quad angle and cam angle) the biggest problem is not having a plane of reference.
I think this has be so much easier in angle mode where your pitch stick angle can be that plane of reference angle that you really do need. Is that how you did it?
You head position is your point of reference to angle, you can set it up to show in OSD but with some practice you can fly it acro. If you keep your head up and still, its a normal FPV drone
This has a lot of potential. Perhaps it would be a good idea to have some sort of HUD showing artificial horizon to augment the flying experience. i.e looking down and flying horizontally
if you could do a pinp with the normal fpv and head tracked you could fly normal but frame up your stuff! Possible to combine with your single access gimbal?
Since the DJI FPV drone has a single axis gimble, do you think it would be possible to connect the head tracking to that somehow?
Seems to me best suited for flying in angle or horizon to help with keeping things stable
I fly it acro, I use angle mode for super tight indoor stuff but it works well in acro with some practice
I wonder if that would be helpful for racers with the head tracker to be able to go faster or slower in certain areas of the track.
Nice, I've just started using head trackers, doesn't make me sick. But i also have an oculus flight sim, makes me sick every time.
Really wanted to see a power loop
I’ll post some freestyle soon, have a bunch of footage but never posted.
I am doing that right now to my plane!! Starting with analog first in case I don’t like it. I was thinking of adding a micro servo to my qwad fpv cam so I can adjust it with a knob on my qx7. Just an idea.
Nice! Planes are a perfect use! Yeah you could definitely use a knob, but it's hard to reach it when you're flying!
@@NURKFPV yea. It would be easier on a wing, as they practically fly themselves. (Safe mode lol). Thanks again nurk!!!
@@NURKFPV What about a foot pedal?
@@ianrmurphy great idea
would it be easier to use a 360 camera and then set up a virtual camera that streams the view of where the head tracked view point is going to? though it would probably require a lot more bandwidth
Does the OSD have indicator/marker of where the drone actualy heading while the head is tilted/panned ?
Would this setup work with the dji transmitter? Or does it even need to be linked to the transmitter?
I enjoy it with dji fpv, not a head tracker but thumb camera tilt.
Why not both?
Is it possible to use a 360 camera and have the head tracking reframe the shot? Insta 360 one r can live stream and reframe
Man, I wish the DJI fpv drone had this integrated. They would just need the head tracker and that would be legit
Thumbs up
thanks!
I wonder about using 360 camera, then the head tracking gets recorded as a suggested framing. Using head tracking (and some reframing), the flight could look less mechanistic and more natural, like looking into the turns before making them. Or, tracking objects of interest independent of the flight path.
I think it'd be cool to put something like this on a toggle. Interested to see what people do with these.
oh yeah! That would be really easy. Good call.
You can. I have mine set on a switch so that it locks it back to "level" whenever I want.
Surprised that no one has come up with a digital version of the servo hardware yet. Basically a high def wide angle lens like Insta360 Go that crops and sends back the image based on the headtracker input. Would lose a lot of weight required for the servos, mounting hardware and should have significantly less lag.
New feature for the next Caddx Peanut maybe?
It opens up the possibility for those slow Fincher shots like top down following a car locked to its speed. This is really cool because you could do both top down slow moody shot and transition into true FPV swooping down to get in closer. Straight down is always a challenge with FPV vs a mavic same with staying still, how was it when hovering in place? Anyways @NURK FPV This is so cool, I think it will be extremely useful but I’m also surprised how well you could keep it in the air, amazing!
100%!
This guy gets it
I wonder what you could do with a camera that always stays level even if the drone isn’t. So the camera angle automatically adjusts. So you don’t need to have a high angle all the time, so when you are going flat and slow, the angle isn’t too big but the angle is big when you go fast and very tilted. So you have the same view field of view out the front of the drone regardless of angle and speed.