BBC The Selfish Green -- David Attenborough - Richard Dawkins - Richard Leakey - Jane Goodall
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- David Attenborough - Richard Dawkins - Richard Leakey - Jane Goodall
Debate on how we should tackle the issue of saving our own planet.
For education and awareness purposes only.
What an amazing panel of people - feels more like I'm at a Jedi Council
I would like to see their CO² footprint.
@Sjef Hoefs
How do you write a superscript (CO2) in youtube comments.
madzangels They are wiser than chair person.
They are spot on.
Heres the set of wise dictators lol. I'm in. A democratic dictatorship. thats a funny concept...
Really cool how you can think " Richard and David having a conversation would be dope" then search it, and there it is.
Exactly how i ended up here
Actually, I typed in "David Attenborough Richard..." to see his brother. NOT COMPLAINING
Same... And now I think, put jordan peterson in as well. And it'd be a big slap humanity needs.
Yep, That's exactly my case.
I thought exactly that and just searched it hahaha
Can't recall the last time I watched a civilized and informative discussion online. These are all special people.
Indeed! I fear it's not a coincidence that they're all so old.
Richard Dawkins and David Attenborough together is overwhelming.
It is so neat to watch one think while the other talks or smile back, quite a pair
“Those who say that the study of science makes a man an atheist, must be rather silly people.”-Max Born
5tonyvvvv usually its the studying of their own religion what takes care of that.
Atheists say God is absurd unobserved and unproven..... Yet they think the universe came from "Nothing"
5tonyvvvv you should get into the big bang theory some more,"nothing" is so much more then just literally nothing.
This possibly could be the most prestigious pannel discussion ever happened.❤️
Love and respect from India 🙏
Richard Dawkins, David Attenborough and Jane Goodall. What a line-up!
Joshua Taylor well Richard leaky? Mary leakys son? World famous Paleontologist?
Dawkins and Attenborough 2 of my favourite personalities.
Same
Towards the end of the debate I became more optimistic about our plight.
Then I saw it was made in 2005 & realised we're in an even more worse state now than we were then, which only goes to show, we will only change things when it is far too late!
Actually, things are getting better. Green energy is spreading like crazy, electric cars are becoming more and more popular.
Every other house on my street has solar panels. My neighbor just had them installed.
I see Teslas and Chevy Volts replacing gasoline cars on my street, even though oil is cheaper than ever!
The Tesla Supercharger close to my house, is packed all the time. It has a line of Teslas waiting.
Necesity (can't be bothered to spell it right) is the mother of invention.
I've also found that when people are left to their own devices they will always try to find the most energy efficient way to achieve their goals. This is why we as individuals and as a collective only respond to problems when they become great enough to require more energy to ignore them than to deal with them. This is the tipping point, I believe between action and inaction
lnpilot If I may be allowed Sir, your prism is rather narrow. If you care to take a more penetrating look further east and south of the planet, you'd soon see that there's cause for great concern. That's actually what this illustrious panel are telling us. By the way, how about using a bike instead of a car- even if the latter is electric.? The country I live in is 83% nuclear-powered electricity. We in the West have arrogantly imposed materialism on all parts of the world. This has bled many resources dry, and has created rampant poverty all over the world- INCLUDING our very own parts. The three basic needs of mankind are : food, clothing, and shelter. These need not be more than basic. Just a thought ...
Jody I was with you all the way until I saw the badge :D
Nick Woodruff I suggest to join kiva.org which is a nonprofit organization which provides micro loans to people all over the world. you can choose who you give your money to and what for from the list of borrowers, so you can help directly for example a family in Kenya to get solar lamps or seeds to plant or a water cleaning system or education, etc. this way you can make a change exactly where it is needed the most. then they will pay the money back and you can loan it again, so it's not charity thrown at them, but a leg up to improve their life and your money can help over and over again.
of course in your own life you should do what you can not to waste resources like water and electricity, have a garden if you can even if just a small balcony one, collect your garbage selectively so it can be recycled, use clean energy if possible, vote for politicians who care about these issues and encourage the people around you to do the same.
When you listen to these four wonderful people, what they’ve done, are doing and hope to do, and then compare them to the people all over the globe that hold the political power, it really is very disturbing,, and probably the most disturbing thing of all is, that we elected them into that position of power............
"there are people of goodwill and altruism in the world, and there are people in important offices running the world, and the two don´t necessarily coincide" - oh yes.
dolorodon
there are people of both kinds in this world but above all there are way way way too many of them
Many thanks to whoever uploaded this. Perhaps the four finest minds in the field all agreeing in far-sighted and thoughtful ways. Particularly inspiring is Jane Goodall's global youth education programme. She's right: the fate of our planet depends on the education and empowerment of our children - however we analyse and present the issues.
One of the most important discussions. I wish everyone on earth, especially those with power could observe this.
Love you tube - seeing while listening to these great minds is a unique and invaluable treasure.
The problem isn't poverty... It's greed.
It's two sides of the same coin.
This was an excellent collection of minds coming together to help solve our global issues. Great upload! Thanks!
It's never going to happen, because we live in a culture where psychopaths prosper and end up in the most powerful positions. These people simply cannot see or care about even the future of their own children.
It is a culture where successfulness is a determination of how wealthy and powerful, in the sense of controlling people and resources, is the highest position of respect.
It is not capitalism itself that is the problem, but the rampant dog-eat-dog method, which is exactly the kind of environment where people who don't care about anything but their own gains thrive. We need to have more control over how powerful people can become, because it is always a bad thing to have one person running the show.
Dawkins, Attenborough and Goodall in one panel.... Wow, all I can say is WOW!!!
Richard Leakey is very well spoken and intelligent.
I am surprised his video hasn't had more views.... Thanks for the upload.
LondonAtheist let's spread it all around
Because it's shallow and empty
Because the Kardashian's aren't in it.
Thank you very much for uploading, a get together of the world's greatest human minds.
Very good discussion, as you would expect from this distinguished panel. I’m also very impressed with Dimbleby! His questions, input and interventions within this company show a knowledge and intelligence that surpassed my (already high) expectation!
Unfortunately though discussions like these won’t make any difference to the outcome - as a species we are just too selfish, indifferent, uneducated, and destructive.
The level of wisdom, compassion and class is off the charts on that panel!
Talking about living legends - all national treasures of not only the UK but to the whole world. All pioneers in the field of popular science, conservation and biology/zoology - the very first advocates and communicators in the field - through the magic of television their impact children and adults alike will endure far into the future.
In fact I would argue that Goodall, Dawkins and Attenborough are single handedly responsible for taking subjects such as biology from previously being considered an somewhat complex, academic subject, reserved for only the well educated - to a popular subject that captivated so many people around the world, of all ages, getting people interested in science - despite how much of a bookworm one is. That’s the power of television - and they pretty much invested the nature documentaries we know today.
The very best talk I have ever heard. Those amazing people put forth all the problems and ideas that need to be
absorbed by humanity. Then and only then can our future have some kind of outcome that all can live a good life.
All life has value....all, not only selfish humans, but all life! We must change our attitudes from worshiping money, gods
and entertainment to knowledge. Dr Goodall said it well, we need to find satisfaction with less stuff and use our
brains more.
Rest in peace, Richard Leakey. Wonderful man.
This was great.
What a treat. I hope they show this stuff at schools because it is vitally important they do.
Forget religion and particularly fundamentalism. These people understand what matters. Thank you all. I hope a sufficient number of people listen and act on this to make a difference.
A brilliant panel of people!
Much truth spoken I think by all four people.
Thanks for this upload 🙏🏼😇❤️
Great people, amazing discussion.
So much wisedom in such few people.
Specially in Jane Goodall. I love Richard but she's just in another plane of existence.
Thanks! Love this.
On a panel of immense credentials, Leakey stands out as being the only person who seems to actually understand the issues at hand.
Was very impressed with him.
I think this is a contender for one of the most important videos on TH-cam. I also think it would be a good idea for everyone with a large number of subscribers to upload it to their own channels.
This is gold!!. Invigorating discussion.
I studied Richard Leakey through human biology unit I took at university. He's the real deal on this topic.
Great discussion!
Jane Goodall makes an ultra valid point about the utter waste that is that military. Utter waste of money, people and resources.
Utter waste... in an utopian world
It was not very long ago that all of Western Europe was under existential threat from a group that was attempting to exterminate any group that opposed it or didn't meet its standards. We tend to use the military for political bullying and cock-waving these days, but the idea of removing it entirely is extremely naive and forgetful. I'd say go the Swedish route: national service paired with neutrality, maintaining a defensive stance and a trained population with direction fitness and self-discipline without ever actually starting any trouble.
exterminate did you say ? they weren't DALEKS by any chance ?....
psycronizer They we're about the equivalent of Daleks and called themselves Nazis.
Aaaaand how is it valid that she espouse platitudes on a topic she knows exactly nothing about? btw the military uses the vast majority of its resources in humanitarian aid, (e.g. foreign aid, disaster relief, medical and food supplies etc).
Finally someone brings up the issue of over population! Cudos to David Attenborough. It's time we spoke about the elephant in the room, namely over population and all the related issues that comes with it. This is a wonderful panel of thinkers of our generation. We need more of this kind of gatherings.
Franklin MacGillacuddy
At last, I've been constantly saying that having a population control would solve or go a way to solving practically every modern issue.
See, this is how smart people have a debate, there's no yelling or calling each other retards, just professional, rational and progressive.
Brilliant debate!
Would have liked to have seen Douglas Adams as the fifth member of that quartet..
Well then it would no longer be a quartet now would it?
Christopher Hitchens as the fifth I think ;)
this needs more views!!! absolute realities here!
Richard Leakey is a brilliant anthropologist and paleontologist who has dedicated his life to Africa in general, and Kenya in particular. He comes from a family sharing similar interests. Televised interviews seem quite rare; and I would like to see more. Thanks for a really great post. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Leakey
PS. Moderated by David Dimbleby - long time 'Question Time' host..
We have not got rid of slavery. It has just taken many different forms such as economic slavery, poverty, ... Our selfish gene is and will remain unchanged.
That struck me, too, but not so much for the "economic slavery, poverty." Human trafficking occurs throughout the world with dire consequences to those caught up in it.
Nothing about multinational businesses and their insatiable greed
These businesses only exist to fulfill the needs/desires/greed of consumers... If no-one chose to eat fast food from a ruthless multinational corporation, for example then these corporations would cease to exist, no?
True but that is also what drug dealers say also,.
So true. Mega corporations run and own this world, protected by the powerful & ultra rich. Consumers have no choices as corps continue to merge into trillion $$ companies. Doesn’t matter if one buys a different brand-it’s owned by same parent Corp until it’s a monopoly. Villagers have low carbon footprint. Who does the industrialized fishing, dredging of the ocean, building, damming rivers, reshaping the earth & sea coast for profit, harvests multi tons of human food, and finally influencing all societies into buying and living a certain way? Insatiably greedy corps.
abandoning a economic model based on growth should be the first step...
Would be nice if they would indicate when this debate took place.
Superb panel, does anyone know when this aired originally?
Dude I agreed with everything Richard Leakey said. I'm not sure when this panel was held but the stuff he's saying people are starting to come around to today
damn! where did that hour go!
This was posted a few years ago, but when was the actual programme aired?
We need social, economic and political reform.
Greedy special interests exploit people and the environment to exhaustion.
I think one of the main reasons this generation, and more so the next generation will make strives towards the calculated conversation of the world's ecosystems and environments, is because intellectualism is becoming more and more fashionable and popular. This is evident in the number of scientific/informative TH-cam channels, the type of movies we produce, and the sheer number of people who are now continuing on to College/University level education. It's filtered down into nearly every aspect of the media, and the list goes on and on. We are becoming more scientifically, reasonably minded, and the prospect of degrading our environments needlessly is becoming unseemly.
We all hope so......
Sadly I disagree. The election of that appalling example of corporate greed, who delights in sneering at intellectual thought would seem to show that the opposite is true. I hope I'm wrong.
I really like this video, video, video
Finally Richard Dawkins talking about something else than religion
oh lordy, I am actually starting to like as opposed to grudgingly respect The Dawkins
"The final aim of history is a crumbling field of ruins. Its final meaning is the sand blown through the eye-holes of human skulls."
-- Ulrich Horstmann
Everybody here is brilliant.
WOW! What a fine group of people!
I'm gonna enjoy this! :D
I don't mean to be rude,
but I would have preferred Jons' brother David Dimbleby to have hosted this one. (much as I like Jonathon)
"An enlightened dictatorship!" - Sign me up for that nation!
These auditors are exceptional. Time to pay attention. Why, They have done their due diligence. They have committed their life to our cause....save our earth.
Dawkins is now one year older than 79 year-old Attenborough was at the time of this discussion (2005), and in the time passed since seemingly very little has been done on a major scale to address the grave global issues of environmental sustainability presented and addressed so intelligently by the remarkable panel. Are we as a species ever going to collectively wake up to the reality of the planet's fragile and finite state of resources we so callously exploit and reverse our destructive course of action?
I loved the four of them ...
Which year was this at Wildscreen?
Richard Leakey is so respectable that he is still giving his efforts after going through many terrible encounters.
Imagine how beautiful this world would be if these were our leaders.
Thank you denis for providing this program. So awestruck by the panel of personalities was almost blown away by the moment! Dare I pose the Question why do we have such crap leaders running the world. Bankers and clergy. One sells monetary slavery the other sells hope, well I tend not to go with the latter, you might as well chuck the all deck in the air and say something will clean up eventually. I'm a dower.Although I do struggle with Richard Dawkins observations at times. We're all slaves whether the price is right or not.On Cannibalism I'd like to see him trying to convince the poor African Albino that it was save to come out of hiding, and reassure the poor soul that he wasn't going to have his body parts rendered down, to add to some witches potion.Sure we would all like to be like Costa Rica. Me I'm proud to be associated with our military, they allow me to keep my head where it belongs, on my shoulders and not having to have some crazy man trying to hack it of because I refuse to acknowledge the flying teapot. Kind regards Richard.Sir David to what could one say but, you are a True Human being!, and Jane Goodall you gave the all show that wise feminine balance , and never have I forgot my wild life hero Richard Leakey.
As long as we live in economic systems that encourage greed things will never change the way they need to.
The problem with these kind of personalities is that they are so specialized in what they do that it is difficult for them to make a real difference due to the lack of experience in the things that the poor or the basic person is going through for REAL...that other perplex side of the social matrix that is life these people lack from and understandably so, because to be able to really hold a firm a grasp of that you need a lifetime in itself and that is why their influence is limited and not of greatness...BUT it's always a pleasure to learn from what they know...ALWAYS! Cheers!
Your assumption that "it is difficult for them to make a real difference" due to their speciality is (with all due respect) quite an arrogant point of view, unless you have directly experienced making real differences due to your speciality.
You are also coming across in your comment that people who specialize have a limited breathe of experience outside their speciality. This doesn't need to be the case and is probably not the case in most peoples lives.
Your use of the term "greatness" is subjective in its context, perhaps you could do better describing what you mean in more detail.
To summarize, don't underestimate people.
Just trying to help. Please refrain from replying with infamitry language as I will only interpret this kind of response as your personal denial and lack of substance to back up your argument.
Love how it's introduced as the "selfish green"
What an extraordinary panel of human beings, tragically under-viewed.
This represents the finest of British intellect! measured, knowledgeable, rationale and empathetic
So carefully thought out are the arguments of all the guests. Can you imagine creationists ever having such a conversation. They couldn't even begin since they believe we "own" the animals according to their mythical "god". It's so sad. We should never believe like that. We are the keepers of the planet by virtue of our evolution.
Can somebody help me out here. At 16:05 Jane says a name. _____ Wilson. I can't quite grasp the forename.
One of the comments by Dawkins reminded me of something Lyall Watson said in "The Lifetide." He suggested that humans had become something akin to executives in the corporate DNA, since the dawn of the nuclear age, and could direct the advance of evolution. He also remarked that given the our recklessness he wondered if within the DNA might there be a failsafe before we blew ourselves to bits. It was perhaps 1976 when that book was released.
a good example of a monetary value for preservation of nature is manta rays. there was a group of poaching fishermen who hunted them for a few hundred thousand dollars. but when they found out that conserving them would make them millions they started conserving them.
That probably only worked because they're not on the ingredient list for Chinese medicine .
Nice to see these faces looking so relatively young again. Disheartening to think of how little has changed since this gathering.
What year was this video actually made??
The innate will to survive will keep us selfish, it takes a LOVE greater than that we have for ourselves to put anything in front of us....much like that of a mother or father. This kind of love is rare
Attenborough and Dawkins are British Giants in the world of Biology.
When was this filmed? Richard Dawkins looks pretty young
Always a pleasure to see Dr. Leakey speak.
I love Richard Dawkins... but I ADORE mr Attenborough ❤️
They needed Dan Ariely in their "quartet", one of the influential greatest minds in history & certainly of those living today. Particularly for what to do about climate change.
19:10, ... perhaps 'circumstances' unintentionally used where 'consequences' was meant?
I saw Mrs. Leakey died, a
chain of feelings multiplied.
I had learned as a kid,
what she and her husband did: they
worked their lives for everyone,
there beneath a tropic sun.
Sweating knowledge from the ground;
sharing all the finds they found.
Pushing back the mystery,
reconstructing history,
proving what but cowards dare,
pooh-pooh from their easy chair.
I saw Mrs. Leakey died, I
lay the paper down and cried.
3 great scientists in one video 😍
Right I understand what you are all saying but I honestly think there comes a time where someone talks something along the lines of friendship. They may not agree with what's said but they take it and try to shape their answer to educate. And I really believe that is what Davis A is!
44:10 once again the spritely David Attenborough nails it again.....climate change...I fully support what he says, there will be a tipping point, a trigger point, a temperature point at which the system irreversibly tends toward a new set of dynamic conditions that will spell out the new environmental norm, ice all gone, savage wind and dust storms etc etc, it's impossible to say what these new conditions will be like and where they will materialize, but you can bet with all that extra heat energy in the global system weather will be more extreme in whatever direction it takes..
Why is the decommissioning cost never factored in nevermind the storage costs for 100 times longer than all recorded the records of our history. Nuclear power is not cheep.
Dean Bowles ,it is possible and likely profitable to burn up the long lived nuclear waste in new reactors. Check out Energy from Thorium.
You can tell the discussion dates back to 2005 by hearing that Richard Leakey refers to nuclear energy as being _clean_ energy. I was quite surprised ...
There's more understanding of Biology in those four people alone than a good portion of the population in Southern dixie line America just think about that for a second...
The problem is the monetary system
No matter what we do, if we don't stop overpopulation it can't make a difference.
We are human. How else are we supposed to respond?
28:50 you could give higher weights to things like: (CSR, Idk maybe forest ratio and other green benchmarks) when valuing country's economy similar to that of corporations on the stock market. With emphasis of a clear, public accounting data (blockchain etc.), this would incentivise against data falsification as it would drive the economy's price down. Pay the politicians like the CEOs/managers with a fixed amount of salary and the rest based on country's performance. Having a direct incentive to perform via real actions and not only to be reelected via shallow promises. Of course it's a not bullet proof plan
The Law Nam-myoho-renge-kyo represents the identity of what some scientists refer to as the ‘unified field of all consciousnesses’. In other words, it’s the essence of all of existence and non-existence, the ultimate creative force behind planets, stars, nebulae, people, animals, trees, fish, birds, and all phenomena, manifest or latent. All matter and intelligence are simply waves or ripples manifesting to and from this core source.
Consciousness (enlightenment) is itself the true creator of everything that is, ever was and ever will be, right down to the minutest particles of dust, each being an individual ripple or wave.
The big difference between chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo and most other conventional prayers is that instead of depending on a ‘middle man’ to connect us to our state of enlightenment, we’re able to do it ourselves by tapping directly into it by way of self-produced sound vibration.
On the subject of ‘Who or What Is God?’, when we compare the concept of ‘God’, as a separate entity that is forever watching down on us, to Nichiren’s teachings, the true omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of what most people call ‘God’ is our enlightenment, which exists nowhere else but within us.
When the disciples asked Jesus where the Kingdom of God is, didn’t he tell them that it was within them?
Some say that ‘God’ is an entity that can never be seen. I think that the vast amount of information that is constantly being conveyed via electromagnetic waves gives us proof of how an invisible state of ‘God’ could actually exist.
It’s widely known that certain data being relayed by way of electromagnetic waves has the potential to help bring about extraordinary and powerful effects, including instant global awareness of something or mass emotional reaction. As well as many other things, it’s also common knowledge that these waves can easily be used to detonate a bomb or to even enable NASA to control the movements of a robot as far away as the Moon or Mars. However, none of this is possible without a receiver to decode the information that is being transmitted. Without the receiver, the information would remain impotent.
In a very similar way, it’s important for us to have our ‘receiver’ switched on so that we can activate a clear and precise understanding of our life, all other life and what we and all else that exists truly is. Chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo helps us to achieve this because it allows us to reach into the core of our enlightenment and switch it on. That’s because the sound vibration of ‘myoho-renge-kyo’ represents the combination of the three major laws that underlie all existence.
‘Myoho’ represents the Law of latency and manifestation (Nature), and consists of two alternating states. One state of ‘myo’ is where everything in life that’s not obvious to us exists. This includes our stored memories when we’re not thinking about them, our hidden potential and inner emotions whenever they’re not being expressed, our desires, our fears, our wisdom, happiness, karma, and more importantly, our enlightenment. The other state, ‘ho’, is where everything in Life exists whenever it becomes obvious to us, such as when a thought pops up from within our memory, whenever we experience or express our emotions, or whenever a good or bad effect manifests from our karma.
When anything becomes apparent, it simply means that it has come out of the state of ‘myo’ (dormancy/latency) and into a state of ‘ho’ (manifestation). It’s simply the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness, being awake or asleep, or knowing and not knowing something.
The second law, ‘renge’, governs and controls the functions of ‘myoho’, ‘ren’ meaning cause and ‘ge’ meaning effect. The two laws of ‘myoho’ and ‘renge’, both functions together simultaneously, as well as underlies all spiritual and physical existence.
The final and third part of the tri-combination, ‘kyo’, is what allows the law ‘myoho’ to be able to integrate with the law ‘renge’. It’s the great, invisible thread of energy that fuses and connects together all Life and matter, as well as the past, present and future. It is often termed the Universal Law of Communication. Perhaps it could even be compared to the ‘string theory’ that some scientists now suspect exists.
Just as our body cells, thoughts, feelings and all else are constantly fluctuating within us, everything in the world around us and beyond is also in a constant state of flux, in accordance with these three laws. In fact, more things are going back and forth between the two states of ‘myo’ and ‘ho’ in a single moment than it would ever be possible for us to calculate or describe. And it doesn't matter how big or small, important or trivial that anything may appear to be, everything that’s ever existed in the past, exists now, or will exist in the future, exists only because of the workings of 'myoho-renge-kyo'.
These three laws are also the basis of the four fundamental forces and if they didn't function, neither we nor anything else could go on existing. Simply put, all forms of existence, including the seasons, day and night, birth, death and so on, are all moving forward in an ongoing flow of continuation, rhythmically reverting back and forth between the two universal states of ‘myo’ and ‘ho’ in absolute accordance with ‘renge’ and by way of ‘kyo’. Even stars are dying and being reborn in accordance with the workings of what the combination ‘myoho-renge-kyo’ represents.
‘Nam’, on the other hand, is a password or a key; it allows us to reach deep into our life and fuse with or become one with ‘myoho-renge-kyo’. On a more personal basis, nothing ever happens by chance or coincidence, it’s the causes that we’ve made in our past, or are presently making, that determine how these laws function uniquely in each of our lives from moment to moment, as well in our environment.
By facing east, in harmony with the direction that the Earth is turning, and rhythmically chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo for a minimum of ten minutes daily, anyone can experience actual proof of its positive effects in their life.
In so doing, we can pierce through even the thickest layers of our karma and activate our Buddha Nature (enlightened state). We’re then able to bring forth the wisdom needed to challenge, overcome and change our negative circumstances into positive ones. It brings forth the wisdom that can free us from the ignorance and stupidity that is preventing us from accepting and being proud of the person that we truly are, regardless of our race, colour, gender or sexual preference. We are also able to see and understand our circumstances and environment more clearly, as well as attract and connect with any needed external beneficial forces and situations.
Actual proof soon becomes apparent to anyone who chants the words Nam-myoho-renge-kyo on a regular daily basis. Everything is subject to the law of Cause and Effect, so the strength of the result from chanting depends on dedication, sincerity and determination. To explain it more simply, the difference could be compared to making a sound on a piano, creating a melody, or producing a song and so on.
238,008 views since May 2014?
Says it all
The core of this discussion is articulated by Jane Goodall at around 15:30 - to paraphrase her;
'...'if there was one species whose disappearance would benefit all future life on earth it would be us. There is no question about that.''
This central point has been quite apparent for quite some time now.