What I don't understand is when Ken ask Bill what does it all mean if when we die there's nothing, Bill continuously states that it's for the people in the future that we hope to pass down information or find a new energy source for them. And when Ken ask Bill when those people are dead, why does it all matters, he still just speaks of passing down information to people the future. It seems to me that if you have two brain cells you can figure out that Ken is speaking of when every and all humans are dead. Yet bill keeps responding with the same answer of people of the future and handing down information to them. I don't know if he's doing this on purpose, or if he really doesn't grasp what Ken is trying to ask him. As a scientist, bill should be really interested in the evidence of the Bible
@@jonmancill6824 I don't feel like the meaning of life and evidence are the same thing. Atheism doesn't provide any meaning to life, but that isn't inherently evidence against it. Science and morality are two separate concepts.
@@jonmancill6824 With respect, I didn't see the "Why does it all matters?" as obfuscation from Nye. He answers the question, EVERY time, as to what every living being is here to do: reproduce. That's all. From amoebas to zebras. Pass along your DNA. Bill's point is that, as one of the species on this little speck of cosmic dust, if we don't get our act together, we, as one of the zillions of beings on this planet, will become extinct, leaving a world conducive to bacteria and cockroaches. As a practicing Christian and a fervent environmentalist, I preach that God created a world for ALL life. We, as humans were given stewardship over His creation. Our task...our mission, is to NOT F...FOWL it up.
I really like that they were the ones to post it, its kinda a mess with the constant talking over each other but it shows the spirit of what it was meant to be originally
I respectfully hate the argument of what’s the purpose of living if there’s nothing after. If there’s nothing after then this truly is your only chance at experiencing life itself, meaning this is your one chance to do anything at all. You shouldn’t live to die you should be grateful that you’re here and take advantage that you can experience life
The point is that nothing matters. You can do anything without lasting consequence. Morals in a society mean nothing because the society wont exist long anyway. What is the point of living a happy life, or a sad life. What is the point of learning or going to school, or even watching this debate? It's like playing a video game for a hundred hours and then deleting the save file. What was the point of even doing it in the first place. What morals do we have against slavery or murder or causing anyone else pain, they wont ever remember it when they are dead. There are vast impacts in the ideology of nothing after we die.
@@wayvire6126 you see now you’re going into personal reasoning, it’s not up to me to define to you why you should live your life. If you decide to live your life because you find comfort in that there’s something after for you that’s great, however I don’t necessarily find it healthy to live and do things for the soul reason just to die. I could switch the question right back to you. What’s the point of you doing anything here if there’s something waiting for you. I understand following a moral code but why waste time doing anything else because when you go you’re life will be better. Do you see why having this argument is pointless? Again I’m not knocking your beliefs. If believing in a god makes you do the right things for you that’s fantastic. But please don’t downplay or belittle me because I choose not to believe what you do by posing a question that you yourself can’t even answer.
@@k1ngf3lon92 Sorry, I am not trying to belittle you or your way of life. I'm fine with you living your life your way (lawfully of course). It just doesn't make sense to me. To me, your perspective is "living just to die." To live in the moment because tomorrow will never come, the whole "eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die." The fact that I have eternity ahead of me makes me think more about how i live in the present. I am not living to die, because our bodies will be resurrected again. I am living for the future. Every action has a consequence in my life. Every good deed will benefit others not just until they die. And every bad deed will make it harder for me to achieve lasting happiness. We will all be judged at the end by our actions and intentions. and then we will be sorted accordingly, the good with the good and the bad with the bad. and then life will continue. Every piece of knowledge I gain now I know will benefit me forever. If life after death didn't exist, I have no vested interest in gaining knowledge. Besides, the teachings of Christ are desirable for any thriving civilization. Regardless of whether you believe in God, the lessons that Jesus taught can only do good for society.
"why would you take a book's word for it when you can discover it for yourself?" -Bill Nye This gave me goose bumps. Outstanding! This is how you shape young minds by getting them to discover it instead allowing someone to dictate what they want you to think. So inspiring!
@@CMIYGL266 "Are you being sarcastic?" One of the theist's current "go-to" replies. This is gettin old. Try planning your argument next time then come back with your A game. I know you can do it!
except no one is saying you can't discover it for yourself, I thought science is about the pursuit of truth, why are scientists afraid of alternative viewpoints?
You can already tell that this debate is going to be completely lost on Ken within the first 8 minutes. Because rather than immediately coming up with a good response, he spins Bill’s point about an Ice Age 4,000 years ago as “attacking our beliefs”
People who follow Christ and people who follow science both do the exact same thing: both put faith in what others have said is true based on what they have seen. There is no difference whatsoever. The wise thing to do would be to TEST both sides, wouldnt it? Two people witness an elephant turn into a goat: Witness 1: "I saw an elephant turn into a goat before my very eyes! Proof of evolution!" Witness 2: "I saw an elephant turn into a goat before my very eyes! Proof of devolution!" Do you just blindly believe one and not the other?
@@TheJCFan no, I take what Mr Hm calls "Observational science" and apply it to both modern science and Christian based science. The difference is finding more things accurate about modern science then correlations in the bible. Also, I like how he says " I wasn't there, I don't know how good of a shipwright Noah was, and I can't assume that." Yet he assumes Noah was alive. He assumes Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John actually wrote those books. I think he beat himself more then Bill defeated him in all honesty.
@@TheJCFan Science provides for the ability to test. Religion dose not. Evolution is process that we see through snapshots. The number of people I've met who regurgitate the "people did not evolve from fish" rhetoric is insane, they have no understanding of the fundamentals of how evolution works. Evolution is a process that we observe through snapshots in archeology, geology, and other disciplines, much like looking through a video's individual frames. Each frame (fossil) is a single view, and there is data missing between each frame, but when played together you can see the progression.
@@TheJCFan You're missing some CRUCIAL factors when it comes to science, in order for any observed findings to be accepted, they must be 1. statistically significant (meaning not statistically likely of occurring by random chance) and 2. replicable. It's not a blind following, since peer review and replications reinforce findings.
Even when the young people are asking questions in order to debunk bills statements hes still finds a way to take time out to teach them something. He'll forever be loved by me I swear....❤
He's just there to make sure the wool stays pulled over your eyes and to keep pretending that the establishment is right when they don't know what they're talking about. Christians have the real science, that's what's crazy about all this. Go watch a Dr Tour lecture and get some insight into how little the macro evolutionists know and can prove. Next to nothing.
@@skylar323 but what about googling... William Lane Craig & Joshua Swamidass • Was there a historical Adam & Eve? how do you fit that in to your judgement day?
Especially when he had to say he hasn't observed stars form people. He want's us to prove we were created but he ADMITTEDLY can't prove the big bang. If he proved any of his claims in this video, show us with a time stamp.
@@mbp7060 22:22 Bill explains how the earth is older than 6000 years old by (in great detail) explaining the process of dating ice. Although he is interrupted a lot, he encourages people to research for themselves this hypothesis. (edit) Again, at 1:08:20 Bill describes pottassium-argon dating, its method and discoveries that are proven by science which disproves the possibility of Noah's Ark fostering certain species of animals. Bill then says that there is more information about this process at the National History Museum. You definetely have not been listening to Bill by saying he didnt prove any of this claims, thats all he did the whole time and he admitted when he didnt know because it wasnt known yet beacuse science is limited by the technology of today. I encourage you to research the scientific method and ask yourself if religion would be accepted under it. This method is the basis for all scientific discoveries, without it, we'd still think the Earth is flat.
@@Tweckyy First things first, Ken interrupted Nye *almost* every time Nye tried to go off topic. Notice how Ken allows Nye to speak as long as Nye didn't try to change the topic (which Nye often attempted). Start there and give me a time stamp that proves me wrong.
@@Tweckyy ...next, what did Nye prove? I saw him getting tongued tied when he had to admit his idea of evolution was based not on absolute proof, and therefore a belief. Just like creationists. Again, give me a time stamp that proves me wrong. Where did he give details on when the earth was form?
You liar! Nye continually inferred "because I'm right and your not as smart as me." Nyes only answer to everything was "well I'm right , that's all there is to it."
"Every one of us is, in the cosmic perspective, precious. If a human disagrees with you, let him live. In a hundred billion galaxies, you will not find another," I respect Mr Nye more for being patience and calm with a group of people who have a different views.
He wasn't very patient or kind and seemed to me he was being extremely disrespectful. Why couldn't he just take the tour of the Ark, withholding opinion at least until the end of the tour? Surprised me to be honest.
The part that was the most frustrating was when he was asking Mr. Nye that, if when we die that's it, it's over for each of us, why does he care what happens? I felt like this was an excellent example of "I don't know how to explain to you that we should care about other people."
@@jennececonner1512 That wasn’t the purpose of the tour, it was to have them televise “dunking” on eachother without the moderated forum of the debate.
Also didn’t appreciate Bill getting hanged up on by Ken and all the attendees at the exhibit, he handled it pretty well. These people are demanding answers to every possible question and they detailed and full explanations when no single human person could provide that on the spot for so many topics, nobody can be specialized in every department. Serious props to Bill Nye for keeping his cool.
@@AG-lz2ggit is disturbing how people can completely disregard extreme amounts of evidence because a 6000 year old book that’s been translated hundreds of times told them otherwise
You can almost see the gears of curiosity start to turn in the young people's minds as Bill speaks to them. It's actually quite a beautiful thing to witness.
Bill: "I'll think for you, Ken- because of the big bang." Ken: "So you believe the scientific impossibility that everything came from nothing?" "I'll pray for you, Bill."
@@isiahromero1353 You would not have been pulled from the faith in Jesus if you had been born again through Him Isiah... Matthew 7:(21-23 in particular) is evident. I don't know you but what you said does say that you were not a believer no?
I do think that he did do well with that. And I think that he does not know how to accurately debate he knows how to talk over people until they listen to him, and he knows how when he disagrees with someone, he stops listening to them and then assumes that they are liars and wrong, because they have a different worldview.
@@imaliveandhere absolutely correct you hit it right on the head hundred percent. Makes me wonder if Bill Nye even believes what he's talking about maybe he does but there are no answers only questions and theories and that bothers them oh, he was very agitated and demeaning in the light of the truth that dr.ham was giving
@@imaliveandhere I wouldn’t say that, he was very open to admiting when he didn’t know things but I don’t think either of them know how to debate I belive bill did better at it then ken though
You're joking right? Who walks into somebody else's place and starts automatically condemning things without having any due respect and having a logical debate and rebuttal? This guy is worse than Sheldon Cooper on Big bang theory. He has no manners and actually I caught him in a couple of inconsistencies. And it seems every time the other guy had a good point, he changed the subject.
You can see the difference in the level of respect Bill gives to curious people with good questions verses Ken who kept trying to push the same bad points.
the part with the little smiling little girl in the black hat and blue top were cringe worthy. I hope she will one day learn to question everything. For now...she "believes Mr. Ham". :(
You clearly didn't watch the same video I did. Bill kept interrupting Ken and wouldn't give him a chance to talk many times. He only came back to the same points because Bill kept skirting around them. Granted, Ken wasn't a strong debator, but Bill was an absolute jerk!
@@wayvire6126 it doesn't matter that Nye was a jerk. What matters is that who actually knows the facts and who doesn't. One is using scientific fact and the other is using some old book. (and as far as labeling him "jerk" I disagree with the assessment. I think Nye was much more concerned with introducing young people to the concept of thinking for themselves and I could tell that Ham was genuinely concerned about that happening since in his mind children much be indoctrinated to believe what he does, unproven tales. However, BOTH were interrupting each other)
@@sr.squaksalot4305 Closed minded is believing something without questioning it because you were born into the religion of your parents. If you were properly questioning the belief in a Noah's Ark you would see the glaring flaws in it. He has dinosaurs in a wooden cage, not accounting for all the insects (there are 5,000,000 species!!), how animals indigenous to certain regions got back there, what did the tigers eat?, (a biggie here) the entire worlds populous is the result of incest?... (even bigger) there is evidence that disputes all this. But if you want to discuss anything in your book give it a try. But it's not closed minded to question what solid science works against. Good luck!
1:00:00 "Btw, we hired lots of contractors. It's possible Noah also hired contractors". I remember that verse... Noah marched all the animals, 2 by 2, onto the ark... except for the contractors. He let them drown in the flood so he wouldn't have to pay them.
Over the years, I built many houses for people I didn't always agree with and sometimes did not even like. I didn't care what they were about to do with their house, as long as they paid me. I'm sure it was the same back then.
8:46 The irony of arguing that it’s impossible to know what has occurred because we weren’t there and then continuing to use the Bible for the foundation of every argument is outstanding.
This is exactly what I was thinking! How can you say "you weren't there, so you don't know" but then say "I wasn't there, but I know" in the same breath
@Job Maryland historic writing is historic writing. But when you start being able to poke holes in it due to scientific evidence in tends to become less reliable.
How is it ironic though, that's like saying "I don't know where the bullet from the JFK assassination came from, but I will believe what a textbook says about Kennedy's theories"
This is INSANE. “Why would any of this matter, if when we die, we’re done?” Whether you’re dead or not, people will exist after you. What a selfish way to think of things.
As you say, the idea that what we do during life only matters because we're somehow rackign up heaven brownie points or hell demerits is insane. It's like saying, you only care for your kids/husband/wife/parents/brother/sister whatever because it means you get rewarded in heaven for it. Or punished in hell if you don't. If anything, an eternal afterlife would render 80 years or so on earth utterly irrelevant, with less meaning than the first second aftre you're born
@@knockylegs We all know his point, it's the classic "without god, what point is there".. Only assholes make that argument... Especially False Christian assholes... See here's the thing about actual faith, if you actually believe in god, then your belief is impossible to threaten. There is no risk, no danger. Only false christians are threatened and use threats of damnation to enforce a belief in god.. If god is all loving you have nothing to worry about, if god is not all loving, then he's not worth worshipping.. Assholes who believe in a non all loving god, are basically just heretics, they use god's name to force their personal wishes on others... all while not actually believing in god... It's why there is no such thing as a christian conservative
Ken: "Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of species have gone extinct" Bill: "considerably more than that" Ken: "thousands probably" Bill "millions" Ken: "well i don't know about millions" Bill: "we do so" This interaction KILLED ME. Bill Nye is the best!! ❤❤
The Bible talks about people like you. Watch: 2 Timothy 4:3-4 For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. They will reject the truth and chase after myths. Only fools say in their hearts, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good! -From the Bible. Psalm 14:1
40:20 I respect Bill Nye so much for saying that he admits that things he say can be wrong. Because too many people are afraid that what they used to believe was true was actually wrong all along.
@@coltkramer9301 Huh? Have you never been wrong about anything? I don't think there's anything wrong with admitting that you're wrong and that you don't know everything.
I was thinking the same thing. Started the video with who seemed to be Ken and then he proceeds to get destroyed by Bill, props to the channel for keeping it up.
Bill does no such thing. He just keeps dodging questions and interrupts during key points. It's pretty much a debate over axioms. Bills' only proof is "here we are." That's not evidence lol
too bad these people would never do that since it exploits their beliefs. They don't want child questioning the religion, all bout brain washing and having control
Did you listen to the video? Did anyone in the comment section even listen to the video? Cmon guys use some better thinking skills, and analyze things fairly. Go to 14:00 and you’ll see that both men have different ways in which they interpret evidence based on what they believe. You’ve got to be very foolish to think that scientific evidence concerning the past is ever interpreted in any other way.
I'm only an hour through. this absolutely made my mind go insane with how much Ken wants a peaceful argument but won't let Bill literally finish a sentence. he is constantly interupting, absolutely excruciatingly painful to watch. Like dang, maybe he could answer your question if you let him explain it, and if you were actually open minded to currently understandable theories. This dude literally cannot see things based on evidence, or accept that our understanding of things may change. Ken is truly *the god* of the gaps. ken used like 2 arguments, and just tried to squeeze every last drop of anger from Bill so that he could look like he was the one who was calm, and just trying to ask a question. Made me sooo mad
bill: *starts to explain how rocks can be used to discover the age of the earth and says that there is no label on them* ken: "they don't have labels on them though so how do you know" like huh i'm so baffled that people actually have such deep beliefs in their religion that they can't acknowledge factual evidence to be true and real.
Ken’s point was that there is no way to tell how much of a specific mineral is in a rock when it is first formed. Many assumptions have to be made before you even do the tests.
@@MelissaHuntOakleyPhotography a rock is infinitely more tangible and real than a magical made up man in the sky that 'spoke everything into existence' you are limiting your own knowledge of the world because you're afraid of having no purpose in life
@@michaelpearson4373 that's fine, but in science there's this thing called a "margin of error". Even with assumptions and the largest margin of error it's more likely that the research conclusions are correct. That is why there is a concensus among scientists on any given topic in the community
@@BettyJackson-nrus94 So you’re not an animal then? Despite how the Bible says man are but beasts and only out vanity prevents us from admitting it. (Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.) Or does that not count? The biblical God was made in the image of man not the other way around, hence why he’s so flawed.
@@anthonylonlieano848 , If you read the scriptures before that one, God was praising the man who listened to Him, with delight as he was teaching. In your scriptures you pointed out, I see woe to the people who think they are their own god. They are no better than the beast they eat. They will not enter The Kingdom of Heaven!
@@marcusdaniels8983 gravity is just a theory. germs are just a theory. you aren’t smart you’re just explaining that you have a fundamental lack of understanding of basic concepts in science.
@@marcusdaniels8983 The term “theory” doesn’t mean what you think it means as it relates to science. “A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world and universe that has been repeatedly tested and corroborated in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results.” Scientific theories are based only on facts. I hope this helps!
I thought the other one was the naturalist? In naturalism, nothing is relevant after death because there is no personhood remaining. Even if you love somebody now and wish to plan for their future, you may be dead before them and you'll never know if your plan mattered, and you'll all certainly be dead eventually at which point nothing that happened prior matters to any of you. Thus, "Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow you may die," is a common theme for non-theists who see no point to stewardship of any kind, forgetting that even the enjoyment won't matter as it is nothing but a memory that will also die. It's all too bad.
How? You understand that he is doing what is called an internal critique of Bill's position. He isn't asserting that he believes what he's saying in that moment, he is assuming the position that Bill holds and asking questions from that presumption. He is proving that Bill has no reason or value to live from his worldview, and yet he is making moral claims about good and bad and what happens to our children or to the earth.
@@ObnyrThe enjoyment matters to me now and my impact on the world will affect humanities trajectory which will affect the amount of experienced joy as well as its suffering. There is also the hope of both biological immortality as well as the thought of transferring our consciousness to a computer which would allow us to speed up our subjective experience of time with a slight energy increase. Meaning so long as we could collect enough entropy at such point we could live for quadrillions of years worth of subjective experience.
@@Obnyr Hedonism in decision-making for yourself doesn't preclude awareness of, generosity toward and a sense of responsibility for the world beyond yourself both corporeally and temporally. Why does enjoying myself while I can have to mean doing so in an inconsiderate and unsustainable way?
@@Obnyr There are those of us who, fully aware that we will die and be gone, find intrinsic value in taking care of our fellow beings and world, and we desire to leave every place better than we found it, even if we will never visit it in the future. I find that to be a much more virtuous reason for behaving well than doing good in the foolish hope that one will walk on streets of gold and live eternally, or worse yet, out of fear of the consequence of hell. It was Jesus, by the way, that allegedly taught followers to give no thought for tomorrow, make no plans for the future, save no money, etc.
The best part about this video is hearing Ken Ham say that radiometric dating is an interpretation that could be false while standing in front of a cage with a bunch of Apatausaurus in an ark that Noah "might have built by hiring contractors".
When you watch the end of their big debate, it's very clear which one of them is open-minded, and which one is a zealot. They were both asked: "What would it take to change your views?" Bill's answer: "Show me evidence that I'm wrong, and I'll change my mind! :D" Ken's answer: "Nothing could change my views." A fool will interpret Bill's answer as a sign of weakness, and Ken's answer as a display of strength. But the wise will be able to plainly see which of these two men actually care about science and the pursuit of knowledge.
@timsans1170 you clearly don't even know what the word zealot means. If you did you would know that Ken is, by definition, being a zealot, whereas Bill is not. A zealot is uncompromising, Bill is not uncompromising, he simply requests evidence, as any sane person should in this case; accepting as truth things that are based in, what is at its' core, a story book.
@@raynekarkados7609 I ,personally, would say that there is evidence. Bill just refuses to accept it. Bill is also going around trying to convince children to desert Christianity and study evolution. Which I don’t understand if there is no purpose to life but to experience it.
“ it looks like a modern Amish work shop “ “Well it not an amish workshop” “That’s what it looks like “ Is so funny 😂 I have no idea how bill stayed so calm through this.
Ham was complaining about being attacked, but Nye was questioned not only by Hamm but by all of the audience who were quite hostile, and never complained about it.
@@Dorkfish0127 Isn't that considered an ad hominem fallacy? You're discounting the truth of the man's words simply because you think he shouldn't have said he was being attacked.
Posting this entirely unedited and retaining it on your channel nearly a decade later... is, to be polite, *brave*. Misguided and foolhardy, but incredibly brave. As an atheist and a nihilist, I would like to personally thank you for both this and the original debate. It's been a pleasure to show at first to my friends and family and then eventually to their children.
Listen, I started to hate on Ham and then stopped. Trying to find a creationist willing to debate an ACTUAL scientist is rare. So, while I think he’s a nutter, I have to give him props for this. And to post it fairly unedited.
@kristinakingsley2115 Somewhat posted... if you go to the channel, the video is not actually listed. The only way to find it is to know about it amd actually search for it. So, despite all his claims, he still hides it from the majority of his viewers.
@kristinakingsley2115 Bill Nye is not an "actual scientist." Bill Nye is a supposed mechanical engineer, a "science commentator. " I don't think science commentator = actual scientist😂 honorary degrees don't really count😮
@earlwright9715 when compares to creationists, my neighbors chicken is a scientist. Not really sure what your point is here, but I really hope it's not some sort of deluded gotcha moment... would be funny if you thought it was though.
What good does destroying the brains of children do by teaching them about science? Modern science is a ploy used to destroy the moral development of children, just like relegion!
I love how Ken keeps saying there is no labels written on those rocks that were found. It's hillarious. He should have a label on his forehead that says evidence
@@METVWETV Big talk coming from the religion which ran the crusades, inquisitions, and is currently running the start of a “transgender eradication” (a genocide) in the red states 💀
@@METVWETV I think he means hearing something as stupid as Ham tends to provoke a fight or flight reaction in reasonable people. I for one applaud Mr.Nye for being a Saint in the face of deliberate intolerance as to the nature of God's plan in the way that Ken so clearly demonstrates. He fails to realize he's slapping limited human understanding onto something so vast and complicated as an entire universe created by an omnipotent being. However you choose to look at it, the only reason evolution is panned by the religious because they are willfully uninformed and narrow minded. If there is a perfect plan as dictated by God then the evolution and growth of that universe would in fact include an ever evolving state of life. This is simply because all things need different tools in different times. We invented can openers after the can because we needed cans to open to need an opener. A bird developing a longer beak to catch bugs makes perfect sense because we ourselves evolve technology every day to improve our lives. To say man is capable of evolving technology but God can't evolve a bird is nothing short of absolute blasphemy and the church should treat people who act that way as apostates because that's exactly what they are. If God invented man, God invented science. PERIOD.
The bit where Nye is taking selfies with the kids and Ham is just lurking in the background had me dying. Then other people felt bad for him and started giving him pity selfies and handshakes because Nye was getting all the attention
@kaiser9488 I completely agree. All these comments here seem to be more inclined towards Bill when Ken also had amazing evidence and claims. This is the result of common schools where everyone is forced to go to, they always try to go the more secular route unfortunately. Glad to see there is someone out there with same beliefs as me
@@icydragonrider8085 Yep glad to be on the same boat. I've seen videos about this where there's more people with Ken in the comments. I mean Bill is a more popular figure so it makes sense, but Bill's issue (which people don't like ignoring) is that he backs into a corner basically, and when asked "Why does it matter?" he can't really produce a response because nihilism gives no purpose.
@@kaiser9488 the “why does it matter” question is ridiculous to me. why would you watch a movie if it’s just gonna end? maybe because it’s fun to watch it while it lasts, and the fact that it will end eventually makes it even more worthy of enjoying.
Maybe you should do your own research and you will find that Bill Nye is wrong on the facts about the tree rings as he is with every other subject they discussed. He just doesn't know the facts . He thinks Every Authentic Scientist can not believe in a Spiritual Power. He needs to Educate himself by Studying Spiritual Science. 🫠
@@wayvire6126bill was using the Bible’s age of how far back it dates the world to say that there are trees older than the Bible itself says the world is. We can determine how old a tree is by it’s rings through out its trunk and how big it is. He basically said the world existed before the Bible says it does and we have evidence to prove so
I actually respect you a lot for posting the full uncut video. Even though you got cut down. I'd encourage you to seriously consider the points he made in this interview.
Cut down? Bill accomplished literally nothing. He was asked direct questions at least a dozen times and dodged or changed the subject without fail. The dude believes in straight up magic that genetic code wrote itself because a lightning bolt imparted sentience into random amino acid pool and instantly created all the systems necessary to have cellular life. That's nuts. Small wonder he'd rather balk and mock than man up even once. I don't agree with Ken, but he's twice the man I am because I'd have laid Bill out way before the end of this. Even then Bill repeats that his side infers nothing and gets upset about it. Later then makes the claim that he's inferring information without being prompted, gets called out on it, and immediately makes the claim he's not in fact inferring (even though he absolutely is) but simply getting informed indirectly by the evidence (you know, inferring?) and changes the subject in annoyance. You can't even write a believable TV character who is that blatantly immature and dishonest without offering up that they have an extreme mental disorder.
i wish they put up a better debator, one that would say theres evidence that X is actually true like the trees, dinosaur postures, modern animals like turtles being found next to dinosaurs etc so that he could seriously actually consider the logic in the other side and not just get a silly answer not based in facts more theres tons of great points this person didnt make that would make bill think long and hard
@@danorris5235What? Christian's believe their god magically created everything, and you want to put the magic claim on science? That's hilarious! Bill literally said, numerous times, that he could not provide evidence at that moment, but that there was evidence for his claims. He never made any false claims and went out of his way to make sure he didn't. He also said, numerous times, "Don't take my word for it, go look for yourself". Bill has far more patience and composure than I do, because I wouldn't have been able to keep myself from using colorful language to illustrate how idiotic and obnoxious Ham's arguments were. Ham literally said that science is blind faith and religion isn't.
No, she is trying to trip him up. He cant go through the entire science of why these things work the way they do because you need to get heavily into very difficult subjects like quantum mechanics. We can infer things based on research done by multiple people that make these things verifiably true. A good example is there is enough verifiable evidence and research done by scientist with peer reviewed research to verifiably prove the earth it round. I do not need to do my own experiment to prove it. I can reliably trust the past research that states it as so. You can do the same with many of these are more advanced concepts.
yes and her reaction to Nye s answer why people did not live for centuries.You can see that this answer made sense to her and her expression is priceless.
My favorite part about that bit is how you can tell Ken is REALLY, REALLY uncomfortable with that exchange. He knows Bill is slowly breaking through her shell of ignorance. He can see the cracks, and he desperately wants to seal those cracks, so he pushes him away from the crowd in order to minimize the damage.
Bill has people circling him and trying to argue God. All he was trying to say was that the science in this museum makes no scientific sense. I applaud him for standing against this many people in his face.
It's amazing to me how much young earth creationists just try to argue for the existence of God and act like therefore it follows that young earth creationism is real. It's like they think the claim "there are zebras who dance around in tuxedos while singing a medley of Frank Sinatra songs" is proven if you just show that "zebras exist."
@@Trip_Fontaine What's more fascinating to me is how all of them would say, "I do know, God created it." And they don't realize the irony of it. You don't actually know, you're just believing and repeating what you were told and taking it as fact without any real evidence to prove otherwise. These people always go to the "if you can't give an answer then God is the answer" which is simply a cop-out because they don't have a real answer either. None of us will ever know all the answers, but we will never stop learning. It's religious people like them that refuse to listen to science because they were told not to, that creationism is the only answer. If science can't explain something immediately for them then it's always God, and then they never try to learn afterwards. All it is in reality is indoctrination.
@@Trip_Fontaine because the whole mindset of YEC is entirely presuppositionalist in nature. The misrepresent, misunderstand and make blatant assertions and purposely skew data to fit their already decided conclusion.
Mr. Ham said in his previous debate with Bill Nye that he believes that an infallible eye witness, which is how the bible was written, is perfect evidence to base beliefs of the past off of. Mr. Nye doesn't believe in scripture inspired by an infallible eye witness, so how does he infer all these assumptions about the universe's origins? At least that's how I understood Ham's argument.
“You weren’t there so you can’t assume datings” isn’t the same as you weren’t there so you can’t know. That’s a straw man argument. But I get the point you’re making. “If you weren’t there during the flood. How can you know it happened . Faith. Trust, experience of God. Through his word, growing in relationship with Him. In the present….
@@birdadrian_ anything can be believed on faith. It means absolutely nothing. But science has proven that a global flood is impossible. There is literally not enough moisture in the atmosphere to create one. Not to mention writings and evidence of civilizations living during this supposed flood.
The part that was the most frustrating was when he was asking Mr. Nye that, if when we die that's it, it's over for each of us, why does he care what happens? I felt like this was an excellent example of "I don't know how to explain to you that we should care about other people." If Mr. Nye is correct and this is all we have, then we should cherish it even more, and want to ensure the best possible life for those who are here. I see that in his concern with climate especially.
@Job Maryland the basis is that morals evolved because they are beneficial to a social species, people who could work together and show empathy tend to survive better than those who couldn’t, and from there we worked with other people to create societies with rules and industry and there you have it.
@Job Maryland ok so basically u DON’T get it then .. I’m not an atheist, but I can understand at least that atheism doesn’t mean “depressing and abysmal”, just because YOU personally may feel that a world without God is depressing, it doesn’t mean that’s what everyone else feels. Just as God brings you comfort, a lack of God may bring others comfort. What a lot of atheists believe is that they should leave the world a better place than they found it, not for themselves or to reward themselves, but for future generations. They don’t believe the whole point of life is evolution. Everyone has a different interpretation of what they think the meaning of life is, whether it’s to find your own meaning, find someone else to love, have children, etc., don’t put a single definition on such a large amount of people. Like I said I am not atheist but it’d really be in people’s best interests to try to understand each other instead of projecting their own feelings. Everyone seeks comfort for the chaos of life and everyone wants to understand why they are here and what their purpose is. The answer lies in different things for everyone whether that is religion or science or nothing at all.
@Job Maryland yeah, because the worldview fervently embraced by salafists and their Christian counterparts in the US who gladly condemn people in the here and now to immiseration is the awe-inspiring, sublime conception of our existence. Having to listen to Americans is a lifetime of being gaslit. Terrible people who tell you that their terrible ideas and actions actually make them the good guys.
@@jobmaryland87 I actually see it as the opposite. Since you only have one life that you know of, you would want to make the most of it. I believe one's outlook (optimistic or pessimistic) is based on individual temparement and not the thought itself. Besides, why would you live just to die? This is what religion seems like to me: people who follow a certain moral compass just to get into an afterlife that may or may not exist. I'd rather enjoy what I know for certainty...that I'm living right now and wish to make the best of it.
Live life like it’s your last day. I’ve always done that and I’ve managed to complete 90-95% of what I want to complete in life by age 30. Toured in a band, rode a bike around the country, had a child, etc. If I die tomorrow I’m totally fine with that. Respect to Nye for not just bopping dude on his head lol
I love how flabbergasted Bill Nye gets every time he saw a dinosaurs on the ark. The poster in the workshop and then walks upon a pen of dinosaurs on the ark😂
There were dinosaurs on the Ark. There's STILL bendy tissues found in fossils, apparently 65 million years old🤡 scientists have the answer sitting right in front of them, but they want to believe man's beliefs more than GOD
@@matthew6427 oh man, it's so funny. Ham is in his element there. He knows he got his people around him and Nye is giving him and his ideas publicity, and at no cost I assume. Ham, "prove it to me right here and now!" It's gonna be fantastic when this country gets a presidential candidate dismissing germ theory or the equivalent, and their stunned interlocutor is trying to engage in reasoned conversation like Nye.
@@TGarmon84 yeah because it’s all fake. Tell me why we have countless religions. Only the Old Testament is right? What about everyone else religion? Science is a universal tool that all religions/people can use to find answers. Bibles have no answers because the people who made the Bible are people like you and me. It’s believed that multiple people built the Old Testament/Bible because of the different times while making the Bible with different writers. It all goes back on you can’t believe something that you know is true. The whole Adam and Eve sin stuff now that’s dumb. Your all powerful god decided that one of the two people he created messed up so now creatures eat each other wack. They eat each other because they are hungry. Why can we drink alcohol? Because back in the day we would eat the fruit that fell from trees that sat for a long time. How do you make wine. Just sayin religious is all belief wars get started constantly because of it. Nothing good comes from religion. All it is is a way to try and live a life. Walk a path and try to be like Jesus but it’s just live the best life you can and be the best person you can be. Which the only people that follows those views are the followers. I’m not saying that living that way is bad but I can write a motivational book and you follow they ways I write and the path you’ll live a good life same to you you write the book. There is nothing that has come from religions that are proof in what they say. Energy and life from the universe is possible we see it every day. A soul is your energy your essence. All it is is life force and energy. You see these things all around. We all come from the universe we are made up of cells 13+ billion years old. We are made from things that before the beginning of this universe. We are all earthlings are body’s are built in a way to live on this planet coming from microbes on asteroids or different planets. We didn’t come from some crazy being that decided oh you lived a bad life now you live all eternity in hell. Like let’s say you live to be 100 years old. 100 out of a million is so small that it doesn’t even make a dent. So average human life span is 30-70 years and within that time you believe that the wrongs you’ve made in this such small amount of time should last you an eternity of pain. I’ve never seen Jesus pull up and save us from ours sins you see what’s going on in todays time. The amount of times a savior was needed and did not show. The amount of time people prayed for help and was not heard. Your god is all and mighty and made the earth in 6-7 days and decided to nothing after that? What he move away decided he failed off rip so start up new somewhere else. To me it sounds like your gods a quitter who doesn’t care for his people. People born with disabilities what that just a bad joke from god that that person had to live with that for the rest of their life cuz they live bad in the past or sum. We are all the same we are all alive. Religion separates brings no one together. Only people in that group/religion become closer not the outside. But when let go of all the insanity and realize we are atoms and molecules living together simultaneously is great. You have a whole ecosystem in your body living and thriving. You are your own planet. You give life to more life. If anyone was god it would be everything alive and dead. If everything is formed from the same thing that can only mean we are one we are the universe time is relative to you and your own gravitational pull. All god would be is a loop. Like going out far enough and coming back to the place you start. Life making life countless of other universes outside of the one. If you only believe in one universe because that’s all you can see even though we know it’s expanding and becoming bigger and stretching from a center point means there’s a start. If we started why couldn’t another start. In the whole scale of things in this universe that’s tragically sad we believe in a fairy tale over actual evidence and hypothesis. A book made sooo long ago we might never know the actual authors. I can make a book too shoot in todays time you could have an AI make a Bible then go around speaking this is the truth and once you have followers you have a religion. You can believe the things that are true and revolve around proof or follow an idea someone wrote down that can never be proven until Jesus or god or anyone comes down and shows us proof. If you have to base your whole thing on faith and belief with no evidence supporting your claim is outrageous. Fun fact look at where the Bible is made and you find out they take ideas from the country above and below and put them together. He say she say stuff that’s all I hear. Only people that follow the Bible are people who need a higher power to believe in. It’s like king and queen and civilians are less even though they are the exact same as you and me and want to keep the power. Sorry but religion is a scam. It only works if you believe same as Santa. It’s all fairy tail Mumbo jumbo like anyone can make it up. We see it all the time and people getting used example don’t drink the kool aid. These people cult leader killed his own people. Cult religion is the same thing it’s all belief as a group.
I'm still waiting for Bill nye to make any point. Bill believes aliens created people and DNA, but Ken believes that a creature outside our demention and our science, created people and DNA. I have read Walt Browns book. He actually shows the science, behind the hydroplate theory that is far more scientific that anything Bill nye says. My father was an environmental science and a chemist. He explained to me that man made climate change isn't based on science, but on grant renewal syndrome. That means scientists find what they are payed to find, because if they don't they don't get the next grant. There is the bases for climate change and evolution. Science is repeatable and observable. We have observed many things that disprove evolution and climate change. I have watched Bill Nye the engineer/actor for decades. He is an idiot. When you refuse to look at all sides of an issue, then you become brain washed We know historically that macro evolution was never based on science, but on racism and eugenics. We know that Darwins book,"On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life", was a best seller, because it justified racism and slavery, not because it was scientific. Heckle was called out for faking drawings. They proved in that neanderthals were fully human, they have found blood vessels that are still soft on dinosaurs bones and the dating methods that are based on circular reasoning and theory sometimes will date the same animal millions of years apart. Not to mention all the faked fossils and incomplete fossils and fossils that are several different creatures slapped together to make a whole other creature.
A tree ring signifies a period of growth. The distance between the rings signifies the period of that growth. Growth is often seasonally associated and is annual. Generally tree rings are formed annually If a tree forms multiple rings in a year, the distance between the rings will be different than the usual rings formed annually
I applaud AIG for posting this unedited, with the comments on. Though I think the creationist argument is beyond losing this argument, I’m glad to see no cherrypicking or malicious editing. Also shout out the the girl with a million questions for Bill. Keep questioning.
@@NeutralMjolkHotel that made absolutely no sense and the age of the earth as you believe it to be disproves it being millions of years old you think mountains don't crumble or do they last forever lol
bc ken was making valid points , bill literally said “i’m not going to give you an answer about tree rings ?” if he can’t even confidently respond about tree rings can’t u see his foundation of knowledge is atleast shaky ? all i’m saying is based on the conversation i’d think someone would consider more possibilities
@fr0gger I seem obsessed because He saved me from a very long and horrible time of debilitating anxiety and ocd, He saved me and gave me joy, and I love Him with my whole heart and my entire actions for that, Therefore I dedicated my entire life to my precious Jesus🩷 I hope you have a good day friend
@@dimfuturefilms9070 how? God created bill Nye, yet bill Nye has so much pride to believe that God exists. How prideful do you have to be to question the existence of God. God has a lot of patience. His mercy is overwhelming. You're asking for proof? Read the word of god, and look at all the geological and biological evidence we have. There is evidence of a global flood even evolutionist scientists now agree that there were several floods but they won't acknowledge the global flood. The rock dating method is inaccurate because it's made in several assumptions as we saw in the mt st Helen rock dating 1980s. All our morals and values come from God, otherwise we would have remained pagan and corrupt. And lastly, we are made in the image of God, this we are created individually by God and our value will be to seek righteousness with him vs evolutionists ideas retain no value for humans, mere animals, this psychopaths like Hitler rise based on this ideology. This is only a fraction of proof.
It was funny yes, but the point is he is willing to admit that his worldview is built on faith, however, Bill Nye isn't willing to admit that for his own worldview.
@@habe1717 Evidence (predictions) that are presented with assumptions based on faith, for example, he assumes the rate of change of these objects in the present, was the same as their rate of change in the distant past. There is absolutely no way to verify this. Infact we have reason to believe that this is not so. The past is different from the present, the present is different from the future. We can have records of the past but they can only go so far back.
@@prayerjoseph9776 Scientists are not making assumptions. The layers in ice cores are the result of seasonal differences affecting snowfall and how it packs into ice. These differences in the snow/ice are actually visible to your eye. Essentially, you can see when it was summer(or winter) in the ice. Summers are always 1 year apart so this gives you a very simple method of counting years in ice(This works up until a certain point) Alternatively, you can measure how much of a particular radioactive isotope is left in ice at a particular point. Since radioactive isotopes decay at a fixed rate, you can use math to figure out when these radioactive particles were deposited into the ice by fresh snow. There are many other methods too and they can all be corroborated by the presence of specific features in the ice. Black ash layers in an ice core from known volcanic eruptions, or the presence of Tritium from nuclear weapons testing, among several other things, are markers with known dates that allow scientists to check the accuracy and effectiveness of their dating methods. There are no "assumptions based on faith" here. This is real math and data collection at work.
@@worldwithouttime the guys whole "proof" was an example of compacted snow which he was confusing with compacted ice. So his "proof"was flawed and no one in his community knew it or cared to know it
Yeah and then Ken is affirmed by the young lady who confirms his theory in the ice layers and to which she then asks bill how do you get your estimation from the layers and he goes on about “don’t take my word for it, but trust me!”
Snow is 90% air, and when it compacts it traps lots of stuff within it and preserves it, that's how we know for instance the composition of the atmosphere x years ago.
You can always tell when someone has never encountered the supernatural or the miraculous, lol. They have no clue, yet they are so smug. Kinda sad, really.
He had none. Ken showed much more. While Nye believes in what man tells him...Ken believes every man to be a liar but God to be true. Why are you here....in this place right now? Ask and search!!! Truly
@@daniellerandall3215 Ken had zero patience. It was if Nye was talking to a child. Constantly interrupting him, ignoring his points, making inflammatory statements-I’d kill myself if I had to be subjected to a conversation with that guy. The guy is every debater’s worst nightmare because he’s completely close minded and instead of listening to what the other party has to say and responding accordingly and DIRECTLY, he waits for them to finish so he can launch into something absolutely irrelevant to what was said and ignores other peoples points. That’s your guys’ spokesperson? Shame.
@@daniellerandall3215 The guy would rather listen to the voices in his head than actual evidence we can see and touch and hear. And I’m here right now because I went into the search bar and typed “bill nye debate”, not because of some miracle
@@latteknowsbest6365 so you believe we're all just random chance of molecules in motion that has no higher meaning or purpose in this life except to just die?
The Bible talks about people like you. Watch: 2 Timothy 4:3-4 For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. They will reject the truth and chase after myths. Only fools say in their hearts, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good! -From the Bible. Psalm 14:1
@@JG-np2be My dear friend. I am a believer myself and I value nothing more, then the true and honest word of God. I just don’t appreciate the way they argue. 1. Don’t judge to quickly and don’t condemn! 2. Arguing on the Internet is all almost never fruitful
Bill Nye just kept parroting the same question-begging epithets, talking about dating methods that Ken Ham keeps contesting, explaining how there are other determining factors at play.
When bill is talking I can see the gears turning in the people’s heads 😂 just try to understand a different standpoint. Nye has read the Bible and is addressing it with a scientific mindset. It’s a beautiful clash of religion and science ❤
I got the impression that Ken Ham was doubting his own arguments multiple times and just told himself, “No, I can’t- that can’t be right.” He would then continue his own argument, but with a little less confidence. But as he spoke, he would regain that confidence, only to have Bill reset his confidence level the next time he spoke. I’m a former creationist myself. I know how it feels to make these arguments, hear yourself, doubt it, shush those doubts, and press on. You rinse and repeat until you wake up and come to the realization it’s all incorrect. Then, you look back at who you were and barely recognize yourself.
30 mins into this and I keep pausing it to take a break from the awkwardness. Haha It definitely could be a TV show to pair these two up and have them go around the country bickering over everything. Ken gets emotional too quickly and then talks over top of Bill Bill comes at things with an attitude of disgust for part of it But this has such potential.. I would like to seen them both have a more respectful back and forth with a little more organization to it. I do respect Bill for going into the Lions den on this one. That couldn’t have been easy.
I agree, I respect Bill and all of his accomplishments, but as he said, “this is where we disagree” howbeit, my scientific worldview is based upon the Bible, and looks just as crazy as Quantum physics, but more scientifically probable. But of course, Kin and I disagree, also, on some things that we have not had the chance to discuss. But I admire them both, they would make a good show examining things like Bill’s show did, great show by the way, him and Beekmans World both excited a few generations. God’s love and blessings
This video is hard to watch for me as well but for the opposite reason. Bill sounds like a teenager making argument with the limited knowledge against the authority.
Ham's 'word salad' dialogue is almost embarrassing if you accept it without question or evidence. Bill Nye is admirably sentient, patient and respectful beyond belief.
HAHAHAHAHAHA respectful??? He was making many underhanded comments.... thats not very respectful. We are ALL sentient and able to feel and perceive things, thats not a quality exclusive to Bill Nye. Patient, well that could be concluded, but Ken was patient as well. Bill is very arrogant and says "I have an open mind" but then immediately says "i disagree", " I dont believe that" and so many other comments that indicate that he is not, in fact, open minded. Very closes minded actually. He criticizes Christians for believing the Bible because its "crazy", yet he openly admitted that he could be wrong, or science could be wrong but he still believes it anyway. Thats whats crazy....
@@jduke367duke8 Nye is reacting to the pseudo science at the museum. He said himself he's not opposed to religion. Yet, Ham, never did admit that he could be wrong on the whole thing.
@@reedraikes7471 No the brainwashing comes from people teaching that we all evolved from monkeys, or bananas, or it raining on rocks for millions of years.... Thats where the brainwashing comes from.
I truly enjoy how civil and respectful Bill Nye was throughout the entire discussion. He used evidence, logic and reason in a manner that did not attack Ken Ham belief or character. He simply challenged the exhibits themselves, and when Ham provided the basis for the false claims, Nye solely proved them wrong. Yet all Ham knew to do was to question Nye’s belief-meanwhile, Nye wasn’t stating his beliefs, he was stating evidence that scientists continue to prove (and improve) every day. Nye didn’t attend the exhibit to attack anyone’s spiritual belief. He came in to question the validity of the claims throughout the exhibit, and kindly explained why the claims are invalid. Ham also tried time and time again to make Nye lose his cool by antagonizing him-and lost time and time again. Nye is all around a decent human being, and he proved this once more in the presence of a condemning Christian. And he did so valiantly.
He keeps saying Bill wasn't there to witness things form in the past so he can't know for sure but is standing in a museum about events he believes in but wasn't there to witness. 😂😂
@@gaven1181 think again cookie, do you really think that the story of noahs ark is unique and wasn't inspired by older stories? I'll give you a hint: it comes from Mesopotamia.
notice everyone twiddling their hands and looking akward and meek while bill has his hands behind his back, because hes confident in what he belives in and he knows theres no way they can prove him wrong.
You say meek as if its a bad thing. This world would be a wonderful place if everyone acted like these meek, kind christians. The meek will inherit the Earth.
What's disgusting to me is the very dehumanizing idea that the people who dont believe in religion lack morality or claim we wouldn't value life or our future generations. The way Mr. Ham continually tries to push this through out this "debate" is just incredible. It's quite blatant the way he devalues humans, devalues people that do not believe what he does or the way he does.
What’s disgusting is Bill ignoring how many lives religion has saved and wanting to force everyone to be atheist just for his own beliefs. That’s as immoral as morality gets.
@@jeffm1083 bill stated several times in the video that people should decide for themselves. Idk where you're getting the idea that he's forcing anyone, like Christians have done for half of history
@@macglencoe9852 He says for people to decide for themselves while randomly trying to convince people not arguing with him. Ham isn’t arguing with him at the start of this video. He was just explaining his museum. Bill started arguing. Atheists and Devil worshippers hate the idea of God for their own personal reasons and try to push it on the ones with faith.
Everyone knows morality. It is written on their hearts by God regardless of what they say they believe in or how much they abide by it. That's also in The Bible.
Nobody said that, the point is that morality as a concept inevitably requires God, because without an objective standard beyond humans nothing can can account for the existense of morality or any immaretrial concept altogether because, and the fact that all humans know basic right and wrong proves this, also the worst genocides where commited by anti-religious people (hitler, stalin, mao etc)
@@JDime2059 I have heard many atheists say it, many prominent ones also. including Hitchens who said he would be quite depressed if it was true. So maybe not for you but for many they just dont want God to exist.
To the people saying bill avoided answering questions and didn’t support his statements with evidence you need to understand that what he is talking about is much more complex and hard to comprehend than he can explain in a situation like this. He tried to explain how they date one layer of ice but it’s complex and to fully explain it he would need much more time with less distractions and there’s other aspects of science you would need to understand to be able to fully understand why they claim that a layer is equal to a year. On top of that it’s important to remember that in science we cannot prove anything to be 100% true we can only prove things to be false. For example you cannot say with 100% certainty that all swans are white because being able to find and observe all swans on the planet is nearly impossible. Even if you think you’ve seen all swans on the planet there is always a possibility you missed one. A true scientist understands this and therefore things we know as facts are only proven by proving other things wrong. However, because we can only ever prove things are false and not that things are 100% true all of the time, scientists cannot say “this is definitely true across all situations all the time” and still be a good scientist. This is why Bill doesn’t make strong assertions about evidence. 1. Because most of the evidence requires time and other understandings of science than he was able to provide at the time and 2. The principal of falsification.
I think they fail to understand that not everyone has the exact scientific study, date, person, etc. in mind to verify claims. It’s not possible to memorize every single possible thing to present as evidence.
@@orangepeelshark8412 The reason this is very difficult to them is that they know of many people who have the bible memorized which while impressive is definitely achieveable by the average person reading the same book constantly their whole life. To them the bible represents the totality of facts about the universe so they find it strange that "believers in science" never have everything in the world committed to memory.
@Sammy Surrett The practice of saying some things are too complex to explain with limited time has been used by many swindlers and charlatans in the past to disguise their ruse. Some of their victims who would confidently claim they easily understood what was discordantly presented, were often deceived by their own prideful arrogance because it made them feel superior and exclusively brilliant to understand concepts seemingly too difficult for simple folk. Are you exclusively brilliant?
Ken hates it when Bill engages with the crowd. He's terrified when Bill is talking directly to the young people & telling them to simply question what we do not know. That it's okay that we do not have the answers for everything yet & to keep searching, to keep asking, to explore.
It was ken who invited him and could of kicked him out for being disrespectful But instead kept him in there. I think this discussion should have been somewhere else not in his place for tours. He doesn’t have to have the same views but this isn’t a debate place😢. But I guess it’s up to the boss.
@@nasonguy I’m a Christian, and so I can see things from the opposite perspective, but I agree, it’s really great that Ken Hamm let’s us see it all. Raw and unedited. I respect that. And I respect you for pointing that out.
I'm at 48min and they've only made it through the 1st exhibit!lol. Thank you Mr. Nye for having gone through this. I sure wouldn't have vad the patience!
Ken seems strongly guided by the notion that, without a supernatural afterlife, there is no point in living. What a horrifying thought to believe that if millions of Christians lost their faith they would see their existence as worthless. It’s like he wants to scare people into maintaining their faith…. Oooh, I get it now.
Bit of a flawed argument tbh. From both sides of the pond. I AM a Christian, but for the sake of argument if I’m wrong there’s no consequence to it. I won’t have a conscience to contemplate that fact anyways. Even if this IS all there is to life I don’t understand why that should be scary. So I’m this instance I agree. I also find the idea of no afterlife to be a laughable idea that has less evidence to it than there actually being an afterlife. If the testimonies of people being brought back from death aren’t enough of a reason to at least consider the option then idk what is. But I think a vast majority of people are pretty open to the idea of there being an afterlife so this seems like a moot point on my end anyways. Christianity doesent need to scare people into the faith lol. And if that’s indeed what Ken was trying to do it’s definitely the wrong way to go about it. There are plenty of reasons to convince someone to at least be open to Christianity and it doesent actually require the Bible to do so. I’m sure Ken is an intelligent brother but there are definitely wrong ways to go about convincing people.
@@wowitsfrostygames155 if there truly was an afterlife, surely Lazarus would have gone there. Now Lazarus was dead for a decent bit, I can’t remember how long or if the Bible even says. But he had already been wrapped and placed in a burial tomb by the time Jesus came to resurrect him. If there truly was an afterlife, would that not be something Lazarus would be telling everyone about as soon as he was resurrected? Would that not be something you’d write down in the Bible to talk about? And it’s interesting to look at the Jewish beliefs especially at the time, which posited that there was no afterlife. But where an afterlife is such a big staple of Christianity and supposedly Jesus teachings, shouldn’t that be a huge part of the story of Lazarus? Why are peoples stories today of what they saw after dying and being resuscitated taken as better claims than of what is recorded in the Bible?
@@markvickery5894 the answer to all of those is not necessarily. Fact is we don’t know what those who were revived saw. Their death could have been nothing more than a sleep prior to Jesus reviving them. Or maybe they DID go to an afterlife but, similar to a dream, didn’t remember. Or perhaps they DID speak on the things they saw eventually to those around them. But it’s not important. You have to understand what the gospels are: eye witness testimony. You can’t give eye witness testimony on something you didn’t see or hear. And even amongst the writers of the gospels they didn’t write down every single possible thing. Each gospel writer focused on different aspects of Jesus’s ministry. One focused on him being Lord, one focused on him being a servant, one focused on his divinity, etc. each gospel writer wanted their gospel to capture specific parts of Jesus. And ultimately the gospels, and the Bible really, is about Jesus. Also, the Jewish belief of no afterlife was not something all Jews believed, it was a specific denomination of Jew. Similar to how there are different denominations of Christian. The sadducees I believe were the Jews that held this belief. And if you read the Bible you’ll see Jesus debate them on this. They ask Jesus a question on marriage and the afterlife. In the debate, like any good debater should do, the sadducees were trying to get Jesus in a corner. They asked him ‘if a woman marries, and her husband dies, and she remarried, and this repeats up to six times, in the afterlife, who’s she married to? If she is married to all of them, she commits adultery by way of polygamy. If she is married to the first one, she committed adultery against him with the other six.’ Their line of reasoning was, there can’t be an afterlife because if there was this problem of marriage would go against Gods divine law. It was a trick question because how can the afterlife be a place where Gods law is broken? No matter how you slice it, this woman would be committing adultery one way or another. Jesus responds by saying ‘there will be no marriage in heaven.’ And then asks them a counter questions. ‘Have you not read what was spoken to you by God? “I AM the God of Moses, Isaac, and Jacob.” He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.” Moses, Isaac, and Jacob have been “dead” for many many years by this point, but Jesus’s point was how can God be the god of these people if their conscience stops existing after death? (Which was the view of the sadducees). He’s calling them out on their lack of understanding the scripture. So yes the afterlife was very much a part of Jesus’s teachings, but it was not a focus of his ministry. His ministry was spreading the word to Jews and gentiles that the kingdom of God was at hand, and that they needed to be saved not from the Roman oppressors, but from sin itself, and that they must repent. There were a lot of things the ancient Jews believed that were wrong.
@@wowitsfrostygames155its quite ironic how you state that evidence of no afterlife is less than evidence of a afterlife, which makes it "laughable" YET you believe in a scripture that have no evidence whatsoever to back up any of its claims😂 The scientifical errors in Genesis is just enough to prove the whole Bible to be a complete fraud. Adam & Eve... Noahs Ark... The sun being made after Earth.... Life came from land.... The earth and the Universe was made in the same time?? All of these are inaccurate to actual scientific findings and studied theories with alot of evidence backed up to it, all you have is a book thats heavily edited with unknown original authors from a era where people believed everything. The bible is Laughable. Creationism is laughable, religion is laughable in itself.
I no joke think he helped alot. Seeing how absolutely calm and collected he could be debating that jackass, and do it in a NOT patronizing way was incredible! Bill is a big treasure
As a Christian I am significantly underwhelmed by Ken Ham’s performance, he was rude and made lazy arguments, I’d admit completely that Nye won this debate.
U seem confused. What matters in a debate is the strength and validity of ur arguments not if u appear rude or not. I agree that Kens arguments were lazy but in my opinion they were sufficient in showing the flaws in Bills worldview
Because Ken keeps trying the 'scattergun' approach to debate. When Bill provides an answer that Ken doesn't have the scientific literacy to respond to, he quickly switches to the next topic (in this case - why we wear clothes) in the desperate hope that something will stick and 'gotchya' Bill to then 'win' the debate with his silver bullet gotchya.
@@PafMedic We wear clothes to protect our bodies and to stay warm. It is how we evolved. Has nothing to do with some magical fruit that was irresponsibly left in the middle of the garden by some crazy deity.
Oh, yeah, it's weird how he is so hypocritical and cherrypicky about his data. Like, he's going on at one point about how, basically, if you didn't see it, it didn't happen, and then proceeds to say everything in the Bible happened, even though he didn't see it.
@@bananabellpepper Ham was leading to the point that the Bible is a document recorded from those who did see the beginning of the Heavens and the Earth… they were there at the beginning.
Ken’s tactic is fighting a war of attrition- he knows how to bring out his follower’s emotions and undermine Bill’s moral trustworthiness, and lets Bill talk because it’s a very difficult crowd to keep focused especially because Bill keeps returning to very particular scientific imagery that doesn’t sound convincing if you’re not already kind of a believer in science. The hope is that people will be open enough that Bill’s confidence, love, and intelligence permeates.
Bill has none of those traits, and you just called science a belief. Truly bottomed out on intelligence, this take. As for Bill, his moral trustworthiness was gone the moment he claimed life coming from martian rocks is plausible, while refusing to acknowledge that God making everything is just as plausible an explanation with just as much evidence. That crosses into dishonesty rather than simply a poor conception of the believability of different scenarios.
@@michael-r4k Your perception of reality is not correct, at all. Your blinded by those blindmen who lead the blind for their own selfish reasons. Blinded by faith in bronze age mythologies and folklores. Religion had a use once, it has long outlived it's actual purpose, and now all it does is serve the rich rulers today to keep the people blind and unthinking. It consoles the people and makes them feel better about their existence, but otherwise keeps credulous folks blind to the truth and the facts about our world and the powers that be.
That's kinda sad. Nye had literally zero intention for being honest or decent in doing it. Made that absolutely clear not even ten minutes in. In a discussion, when adults are involved at least, when you ask a question you listen to an answer instead of interrupting someone before they can get a single word out by asking several more questions and getting increasingly irritated that they're not only getting answers but are being interrupted to be given an answer. 😂 I'm not on Ken's side, but Bill was absolutely insufferable. He'd last about five minutes in a room with people who will forcefully demand decency and basic manners from those around them.
@@craigpombi9781 Imagine trying to come up with a respectful way to address someone who not only couldn't observe my entire point despite the ability to play said event back as many times as they wanted themselves, but might also lack the ability to read what I wrote to begin with and comprehend it. Yeah... Pretty tall order. I'll settle for telling you in different words: Bill showed up for zero respectable reasons, behaved in a manner devoid of respect or even worthy of, and it's deserving of any respect because of it. I don't see how there's confusion here or how you've warped my entire statement into I'm sad because I don't respect disrespectful charlatans masquerading as intelligent reasonable people worthy of human decency while displaying none themselves. Get your head screwed back on correctly. That cognitive dissonance is gonna bite you really hard later in life if you don't get a handle on it.
“Mr. Ham, you should sell my book” 😂😂😂 the banter between these two is comedic gold!! I wish this tour went on longer just so I could continue laughing and witnessing such wholesome content 😊
let your Assurance be in Christ today the religion of Baal is one that pushes people to live in a false sense of security just like the people who worship ball we are living in an era of people who are living with a false sense of security I have paid off my mortgage I am secure now I have a stock portfolio I am secure now I have a job I am secure I am making and have made lots of profits I am secure the truth is in this world we owe nothing really and truly we don't own anything at best we may be stewards of something for several decades but when we die we can't take those things that we say we own with us yes you may own the Deeds of your house but someone else owned that same house 30 years ago and another person 30 years before that and then another person 30 years from now and when you die you will no longer earn that land or home that really puts verses like this into perspective Job chapter 1 verse 21 and said naked came I out of my mother's womb and naked shall I return thither the lord gave and the Lord hath taken away blessed be the name of the Lord Matthew chapter 6 verses 19 through 21 lay not up yourselves Treasures upon Earth where moth and rust stuff corrupt and where thieves break through and steal but lay up for yourselves Treasures in Heaven were neither moth nor rust doth corrupt and where thieves do not break through nor steal for where your treasure is there will your heart be also there is nothing wrong with owning material things or being rich but they should not be your sense of security nothing outside of Christ should be your sense of security not your job not your relationship not your looks or your connections or anything other than Christ salvation Jesus Christ should be your own and only sense of security ball worship had an Allure of pleasure and a false sense of security and we can see these things taking place in our society
This was absolutely excruciating to watch. 10/10.
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@@carolefrench899 Wha-
repent to God
This is the most awkward walk and talk in the history of mankind. Truly a walk to remember.
For sure!
Hahahaha
What I don't understand is when Ken ask Bill what does it all mean if when we die there's nothing, Bill continuously states that it's for the people in the future that we hope to pass down information or find a new energy source for them. And when Ken ask Bill when those people are dead, why does it all matters, he still just speaks of passing down information to people the future. It seems to me that if you have two brain cells you can figure out that Ken is speaking of when every and all humans are dead. Yet bill keeps responding with the same answer of people of the future and handing down information to them. I don't know if he's doing this on purpose, or if he really doesn't grasp what Ken is trying to ask him. As a scientist, bill should be really interested in the evidence of the Bible
@@jonmancill6824 I don't feel like the meaning of life and evidence are the same thing. Atheism doesn't provide any meaning to life, but that isn't inherently evidence against it. Science and morality are two separate concepts.
@@jonmancill6824 With respect, I didn't see the "Why does it all matters?" as obfuscation from Nye. He answers the question, EVERY time, as to what every living being is here to do: reproduce. That's all. From amoebas to zebras. Pass along your DNA. Bill's point is that, as one of the species on this little speck of cosmic dust, if we don't get our act together, we, as one of the zillions of beings on this planet, will become extinct, leaving a world conducive to bacteria and cockroaches. As a practicing Christian and a fervent environmentalist, I preach that God created a world for ALL life. We, as humans were given stewardship over His creation. Our task...our mission, is to NOT F...FOWL it up.
I love that bill refuses point blank to call most things crazy
Yeah it's pretty crazy
He says “unsettling” and “deeply disturbing” 💀
Because he’s not on tv with a bunch of people that agree with him
@@POOPGOD999 “extraordinary”
@@strangebrew1231 Exactly!
I have to give them credit. It was ballsy to post this and leave the comments on. lol
The fact the most people are on bill’s side gives me hope about society
It's not ballsy.
It's normal for open discussion.
I'm more skeptical of the channels that turn them off.
repent to God
The way this was posted by the museum makes it so much more funny
I really like that they were the ones to post it, its kinda a mess with the constant talking over each other but it shows the spirit of what it was meant to be originally
ham thought he won.
@@radioman970 he did win
@@CMIYGL266 Just like his concrete boat he didn't float either.
@@CMIYGL266 uhm no
I respectfully hate the argument of what’s the purpose of living if there’s nothing after. If there’s nothing after then this truly is your only chance at experiencing life itself, meaning this is your one chance to do anything at all. You shouldn’t live to die you should be grateful that you’re here and take advantage that you can experience life
The point is that nothing matters. You can do anything without lasting consequence. Morals in a society mean nothing because the society wont exist long anyway. What is the point of living a happy life, or a sad life. What is the point of learning or going to school, or even watching this debate? It's like playing a video game for a hundred hours and then deleting the save file. What was the point of even doing it in the first place. What morals do we have against slavery or murder or causing anyone else pain, they wont ever remember it when they are dead. There are vast impacts in the ideology of nothing after we die.
@@wayvire6126 you see now you’re going into personal reasoning, it’s not up to me to define to you why you should live your life. If you decide to live your life because you find comfort in that there’s something after for you that’s great, however I don’t necessarily find it healthy to live and do things for the soul reason just to die. I could switch the question right back to you. What’s the point of you doing anything here if there’s something waiting for you. I understand following a moral code but why waste time doing anything else because when you go you’re life will be better. Do you see why having this argument is pointless? Again I’m not knocking your beliefs. If believing in a god makes you do the right things for you that’s fantastic. But please don’t downplay or belittle me because I choose not to believe what you do by posing a question that you yourself can’t even answer.
@@k1ngf3lon92 Sorry, I am not trying to belittle you or your way of life. I'm fine with you living your life your way (lawfully of course). It just doesn't make sense to me. To me, your perspective is "living just to die." To live in the moment because tomorrow will never come, the whole "eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die."
The fact that I have eternity ahead of me makes me think more about how i live in the present. I am not living to die, because our bodies will be resurrected again. I am living for the future. Every action has a consequence in my life. Every good deed will benefit others not just until they die. And every bad deed will make it harder for me to achieve lasting happiness. We will all be judged at the end by our actions and intentions. and then we will be sorted accordingly, the good with the good and the bad with the bad. and then life will continue.
Every piece of knowledge I gain now I know will benefit me forever. If life after death didn't exist, I have no vested interest in gaining knowledge. Besides, the teachings of Christ are desirable for any thriving civilization. Regardless of whether you believe in God, the lessons that Jesus taught can only do good for society.
@@wayvire6126 right so we’ll agree to disagree then
In the book of proverbs it talks about this
"why would you take a book's word for it when you can discover it for yourself?"
-Bill Nye
This gave me goose bumps. Outstanding! This is how you shape young minds by getting them to discover it instead allowing someone to dictate what they want you to think.
So inspiring!
Are you being sarcastic?
@@CMIYGL266 "Are you being sarcastic?" One of the theist's current "go-to" replies. This is gettin old. Try planning your argument next time then come back with your A game. I know you can do it!
@@radioman970 it was a genuine question. Calm down.
@@CMIYGL266 I think I answered. Don't like my answer? Buzz off.
except no one is saying you can't discover it for yourself, I thought science is about the pursuit of truth, why are scientists afraid of alternative viewpoints?
These two are so entertaining together. It's like watching the family debate at the function😂
😂😂 you can feel the tension the entire time
Modern science destroys your brain and your morals. I would love to explain why if you spare a minute.
I want to see them travel the world together
You can already tell that this debate is going to be completely lost on Ken within the first 8 minutes. Because rather than immediately coming up with a good response, he spins Bill’s point about an Ice Age 4,000 years ago as “attacking our beliefs”
Isn't that what Ken Hamm does to us mainstream science folk? Doesn't he attack our beliefs non stop?
People who follow Christ and people who follow science both do the exact same thing: both put faith in what others have said is true based on what they have seen. There is no difference whatsoever. The wise thing to do would be to TEST both sides, wouldnt it?
Two people witness an elephant turn into a goat:
Witness 1: "I saw an elephant turn into a goat before my very eyes! Proof of evolution!"
Witness 2: "I saw an elephant turn into a goat before my very eyes! Proof of devolution!"
Do you just blindly believe one and not the other?
@@TheJCFan no, I take what Mr Hm calls "Observational science" and apply it to both modern science and Christian based science. The difference is finding more things accurate about modern science then correlations in the bible.
Also, I like how he says " I wasn't there, I don't know how good of a shipwright Noah was, and I can't assume that." Yet he assumes Noah was alive. He assumes Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John actually wrote those books. I think he beat himself more then Bill defeated him in all honesty.
@@TheJCFan Science provides for the ability to test. Religion dose not. Evolution is process that we see through snapshots. The number of people I've met who regurgitate the "people did not evolve from fish" rhetoric is insane, they have no understanding of the fundamentals of how evolution works. Evolution is a process that we observe through snapshots in archeology, geology, and other disciplines, much like looking through a video's individual frames. Each frame (fossil) is a single view, and there is data missing between each frame, but when played together you can see the progression.
@@TheJCFan You're missing some CRUCIAL factors when it comes to science, in order for any observed findings to be accepted, they must be 1. statistically significant (meaning not statistically likely of occurring by random chance) and 2. replicable. It's not a blind following, since peer review and replications reinforce findings.
Even when the young people are asking questions in order to debunk bills statements hes still finds a way to take time out to teach them something. He'll forever be loved by me I swear....❤
Indeed.
he cant be forever loved by you because when youre dead youre dead, so your love for him is blink and then its over for your love, yourself and him.
He's just there to make sure the wool stays pulled over your eyes and to keep pretending that the establishment is right when they don't know what they're talking about. Christians have the real science, that's what's crazy about all this. Go watch a Dr Tour lecture and get some insight into how little the macro evolutionists know and can prove. Next to nothing.
Have fun on Judgement Day 🤟
@@skylar323 but what about googling...
William Lane Craig & Joshua Swamidass • Was there a historical Adam & Eve?
how do you fit that in to your judgement day?
The fact that bill is SURROUNDED and CROWDED by people with a different believe than him, and he still holds his own. I love this man.
He’s surrounded by people who have nothing better to ask than “do you have a soul” they aren’t going to do anything
Especially when he had to say he hasn't observed stars form people. He want's us to prove we were created but he ADMITTEDLY can't prove the big bang. If he proved any of his claims in this video, show us with a time stamp.
@@mbp7060 22:22 Bill explains how the earth is older than 6000 years old by (in great detail) explaining the process of dating ice. Although he is interrupted a lot, he encourages people to research for themselves this hypothesis.
(edit) Again, at 1:08:20 Bill describes pottassium-argon dating, its method and discoveries that are proven by science which disproves the possibility of Noah's Ark fostering certain species of animals. Bill then says that there is more information about this process at the National History Museum.
You definetely have not been listening to Bill by saying he didnt prove any of this claims, thats all he did the whole time and he admitted when he didnt know because it wasnt known yet beacuse science is limited by the technology of today. I encourage you to research the scientific method and ask yourself if religion would be accepted under it. This method is the basis for all scientific discoveries, without it, we'd still think the Earth is flat.
@@Tweckyy First things first, Ken interrupted Nye *almost* every time Nye tried to go off topic. Notice how Ken allows Nye to speak as long as Nye didn't try to change the topic (which Nye often attempted).
Start there and give me a time stamp that proves me wrong.
@@Tweckyy ...next, what did Nye prove? I saw him getting tongued tied when he had to admit his idea of evolution was based not on absolute proof, and therefore a belief. Just like creationists.
Again, give me a time stamp that proves me wrong. Where did he give details on when the earth was form?
Notice how any criticism of Ham’s beliefs are a “personal attack” but any criticism of Nye’s are “reasonable skepticism”
You liar! Nye continually inferred "because I'm right and your not as smart as me."
Nyes only answer to everything was "well I'm right , that's all there is to it."
@@thebuff1611 pretty accurate though, nice summary of what happened when Nye conversed with the clown here ha
@@ce1834Like you?
well I mean, he is@@thebuff1611
@@ce1834Nye was the clown here.
"Every one of us is, in the cosmic perspective, precious. If a human disagrees with you, let him live. In a hundred billion galaxies, you will not find another,"
I respect Mr Nye more for being patience and calm with a group of people who have a different views.
The universe does not care
He wasn't very patient or kind and seemed to me he was being extremely disrespectful.
Why couldn't he just take the tour of the Ark, withholding opinion at least until the end of the tour?
Surprised me to be honest.
The part that was the most frustrating was when he was asking Mr. Nye that, if when we die that's it, it's over for each of us, why does he care what happens? I felt like this was an excellent example of "I don't know how to explain to you that we should care about other people."
@@Bugg...0_o why should we care?
@@jennececonner1512 That wasn’t the purpose of the tour, it was to have them televise “dunking” on eachother without the moderated forum of the debate.
Also didn’t appreciate Bill getting hanged up on by Ken and all the attendees at the exhibit, he handled it pretty well. These people are demanding answers to every possible question and they detailed and full explanations when no single human person could provide that on the spot for so many topics, nobody can be specialized in every department. Serious props to Bill Nye for keeping his cool.
He actually was a perfect person to do this. Bill knows just enough about everything science to keep afloat here.
so glad to see that bill wasn’t come corporations spokesperson that just ran a science show. what a smart man
Bill doesn't let Ken answer, impatient.
He asked for it by being disrespectful to their beliefs, and calling them disturbing.
@@AG-lz2ggit is disturbing how people can completely disregard extreme amounts of evidence because a 6000 year old book that’s been translated hundreds of times told them otherwise
You can almost see the gears of curiosity start to turn in the young people's minds as Bill speaks to them. It's actually quite a beautiful thing to witness.
Ken: I’ll pray for you Bill.
Bill: I’ll think for you Ken.
Wow so true, I used to have Ham's mindset when I was a believer.
Bill: "I'll think for you, Ken- because of the big bang."
Ken: "So you believe the scientific impossibility that everything came from nothing?" "I'll pray for you, Bill."
Does the evolutionist believe that in millions of years to come will his ancestors be apes??? Poor man in Gods eyes he is a fool
@@isiahromero1353 You would not have been pulled from the faith in Jesus if you had been born again through Him Isiah... Matthew 7:(21-23 in particular) is evident. I don't know you but what you said does say that you were not a believer no?
Praying for you
I'm impressed by mister Nye's ability to keep his cool.
Me too considering everything is built on a theory and lies
I do think that he did do well with that. And I think that he does not know how to accurately debate he knows how to talk over people until they listen to him, and he knows how when he disagrees with someone, he stops listening to them and then assumes that they are liars and wrong, because they have a different worldview.
@@imaliveandhere absolutely correct you hit it right on the head hundred percent. Makes me wonder if Bill Nye even believes what he's talking about maybe he does but there are no answers only questions and theories and that bothers them oh, he was very agitated and demeaning in the light of the truth that dr.ham was giving
@@imaliveandhere I wouldn’t say that, he was very open to admiting when he didn’t know things but I don’t think either of them know how to debate I belive bill did better at it then ken though
You're joking right? Who walks into somebody else's place and starts automatically condemning things without having any due respect and having a logical debate and rebuttal?
This guy is worse than Sheldon Cooper on Big bang theory. He has no manners and actually I caught him in a couple of inconsistencies. And it seems every time the other guy had a good point, he changed the subject.
You can see the difference in the level of respect Bill gives to curious people with good questions verses Ken who kept trying to push the same bad points.
the part with the little smiling little girl in the black hat and blue top were cringe worthy. I hope she will one day learn to question everything. For now...she "believes Mr. Ham". :(
You clearly didn't watch the same video I did. Bill kept interrupting Ken and wouldn't give him a chance to talk many times. He only came back to the same points because Bill kept skirting around them. Granted, Ken wasn't a strong debator, but Bill was an absolute jerk!
@@wayvire6126 it doesn't matter that Nye was a jerk. What matters is that who actually knows the facts and who doesn't. One is using scientific fact and the other is using some old book. (and as far as labeling him "jerk" I disagree with the assessment. I think Nye was much more concerned with introducing young people to the concept of thinking for themselves and I could tell that Ham was genuinely concerned about that happening since in his mind children much be indoctrinated to believe what he does, unproven tales. However, BOTH were interrupting each other)
@@sr.squaksalot4305 Closed minded is believing something without questioning it because you were born into the religion of your parents. If you were properly questioning the belief in a Noah's Ark you would see the glaring flaws in it. He has dinosaurs in a wooden cage, not accounting for all the insects (there are 5,000,000 species!!), how animals indigenous to certain regions got back there, what did the tigers eat?, (a biggie here) the entire worlds populous is the result of incest?... (even bigger) there is evidence that disputes all this. But if you want to discuss anything in your book give it a try. But it's not closed minded to question what solid science works against. Good luck!
You only see it that way if you are heavily biased in your faith against god
1:00:00 "Btw, we hired lots of contractors. It's possible Noah also hired contractors".
I remember that verse...
Noah marched all the animals, 2 by 2, onto the ark... except for the contractors. He let them drown in the flood so he wouldn't have to pay them.
key word was "possible" we can't know for sure since it isn't in the Bible. Everything starts from faith--either in man or in God.
Are you saying it is impossible for Noah to have hired people to help him construct the Ark? What a bizarre and pedantic point to get hung up on.
He might've, even if the contractors thought that Noah was just crazy
@@guidadiehl9176 I wanna know which contractors noah hired to make a wooden boat scarily close to the size of the titanic 😂😂
Over the years, I built many houses for people I didn't always agree with and sometimes did not even like. I didn't care what they were about to do with their house, as long as they paid me. I'm sure it was the same back then.
8:46 The irony of arguing that it’s impossible to know what has occurred because we weren’t there and then continuing to use the Bible for the foundation of every argument is outstanding.
This is exactly what I was thinking! How can you say "you weren't there, so you don't know" but then say "I wasn't there, but I know" in the same breath
@Job Maryland historic writing is historic writing. But when you start being able to poke holes in it due to scientific evidence in tends to become less reliable.
It’s an internal critique. Revelational epistemology says that you can know. Empiricism cannot.
How is it ironic though, that's like saying "I don't know where the bullet from the JFK assassination came from, but I will believe what a textbook says about Kennedy's theories"
Well if it's inspired by God, who is eternal, technically He was there
This is INSANE. “Why would any of this matter, if when we die, we’re done?”
Whether you’re dead or not, people will exist after you. What a selfish way to think of things.
As you say, the idea that what we do during life only matters because we're somehow rackign up heaven brownie points or hell demerits is insane. It's like saying, you only care for your kids/husband/wife/parents/brother/sister whatever because it means you get rewarded in heaven for it. Or punished in hell if you don't. If anything, an eternal afterlife would render 80 years or so on earth utterly irrelevant, with less meaning than the first second aftre you're born
Ken said that? Wow,
DUDE honestly. That parte was so annoying. Such a selfish way to think
@@knockylegs We all know his point, it's the classic "without god, what point is there".. Only assholes make that argument... Especially False Christian assholes... See here's the thing about actual faith, if you actually believe in god, then your belief is impossible to threaten. There is no risk, no danger. Only false christians are threatened and use threats of damnation to enforce a belief in god..
If god is all loving you have nothing to worry about, if god is not all loving, then he's not worth worshipping.. Assholes who believe in a non all loving god, are basically just heretics, they use god's name to force their personal wishes on others... all while not actually believing in god... It's why there is no such thing as a christian conservative
Religious people think they will have a second chance while assuming they are chosen.
Ken: "Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of species have gone extinct"
Bill: "considerably more than that"
Ken: "thousands probably"
Bill "millions"
Ken: "well i don't know about millions"
Bill: "we do so"
This interaction KILLED ME. Bill Nye is the best!! ❤❤
There is no evidence for that. The Bible has better evidence
@@josiahgoshert5023man wrote book 💀
@@vinytrungnguyen1734 yes that was breathed through by the Holy Spirit
The Bible talks about people like you. Watch:
2 Timothy 4:3-4
For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. They will reject the truth and chase after myths.
Only fools say in their hearts, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good!
-From the Bible. Psalm 14:1
@@JG-np2be ✨no✨
“the one way to not find it is to not look”. That Nye quote is inspiring
so true if scientists said it and "facts" said it no need to think or look its already done for us..
40:20 I respect Bill Nye so much for saying that he admits that things he say can be wrong. Because too many people are afraid that what they used to believe was true was actually wrong all along.
That's just how science works. There is nothing to be afraid about when mentioning such a thing.
No it's not good to say this is the truth then say I could be wrong no it's the truth or not
@@coltkramer9301 what you just wrote makes no sense ://
@@coltkramer9301 Huh? Have you never been wrong about anything? I don't think there's anything wrong with admitting that you're wrong and that you don't know everything.
@@mikesprigg5495 It might be how science works, but it's not how scientific results work.
Gotta give AiG props for keeping this up despite Ken getting destroyed for the entirety and the sentiment of the comment section
I was thinking the same thing. Started the video with who seemed to be Ken and then he proceeds to get destroyed by Bill, props to the channel for keeping it up.
Bill does no such thing. He just keeps dodging questions and interrupts during key points. It's pretty much a debate over axioms. Bills' only proof is "here we are." That's not evidence lol
I don’t like Bill nye at all but you’re right. The kids in the crowd are more curious than ken is
This is why it’s so important to teach science within school especially biology.
You mean like sexes?
@@salvagemonster3612 Explain what you mean by sexes? Because I don't want to misinterpret your comment.
@@euphoria1876 he’s a hog trying to get a gotcha moment by bringing up trans people
too bad these people would never do that since it exploits their beliefs. They don't want child questioning the religion, all bout brain washing and having control
Did you listen to the video? Did anyone in the comment section even listen to the video? Cmon guys use some better thinking skills, and analyze things fairly. Go to 14:00 and you’ll see that both men have different ways in which they interpret evidence based on what they believe. You’ve got to be very foolish to think that scientific evidence concerning the past is ever interpreted in any other way.
I'm only an hour through. this absolutely made my mind go insane with how much Ken wants a peaceful argument but won't let Bill literally finish a sentence. he is constantly interupting, absolutely excruciatingly painful to watch. Like dang, maybe he could answer your question if you let him explain it, and if you were actually open minded to currently understandable theories. This dude literally cannot see things based on evidence, or accept that our understanding of things may change. Ken is truly *the god* of the gaps.
ken used like 2 arguments, and just tried to squeeze every last drop of anger from Bill so that he could look like he was the one who was calm, and just trying to ask a question. Made me sooo mad
My man Ken barely had a word lol bill kept interrupting the guy and talking through majority of the video🤣
bill: *starts to explain how rocks can be used to discover the age of the earth and says that there is no label on them*
ken: "they don't have labels on them though so how do you know"
like huh i'm so baffled that people actually have such deep beliefs in their religion that they can't acknowledge factual evidence to be true and real.
Ken’s point was that there is no way to tell how much of a specific mineral is in a rock when it is first formed. Many assumptions have to be made before you even do the tests.
People who are religious have trouble telling reality from fiction and its been studied..they cannot think passed bible stories and its sad
Yet you believe you evolved from a rock 🤷♀️
@@MelissaHuntOakleyPhotography a rock is infinitely more tangible and real than a magical made up man in the sky that 'spoke everything into existence' you are limiting your own knowledge of the world because you're afraid of having no purpose in life
@@michaelpearson4373 that's fine, but in science there's this thing called a "margin of error". Even with assumptions and the largest margin of error it's more likely that the research conclusions are correct. That is why there is a concensus among scientists on any given topic in the community
“Are we animals?” “Yeah we’re mammals, of course there are a few of us that seem like lizards” LOL BILL IS SO FUNNY I CANT
Bill Nye got absolutely dismantled in this video, comment on that fact.
@@nate2748 How exactly did he get decimated?
No, we are actually “humans”, made in the image of our God, & Creator
@@BettyJackson-nrus94 So you’re not an animal then? Despite how the Bible says man are but beasts and only out vanity prevents us from admitting it. (Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.) Or does that not count? The biblical God was made in the image of man not the other way around, hence why he’s so flawed.
@@anthonylonlieano848 ,
If you read the scriptures before that one, God was praising the man who listened to Him, with delight as he was teaching. In your scriptures you pointed out, I see woe to the people who think they are their own god. They are no better than the beast they eat. They will not enter The Kingdom of Heaven!
This is like watching Einstein explain the theory of general relativity to a room full of first graders.
Still a theory? When can we get something that is fact…Science and Religion both have their holes.
@@marcusdaniels8983 the difference is that science has been proved time and time again, religion is 100% theory
@@marcusdaniels8983 gravity is just a theory. germs are just a theory. you aren’t smart you’re just explaining that you have a fundamental lack of understanding of basic concepts in science.
@@marcusdaniels8983 The term “theory” doesn’t mean what you think it means as it relates to science. “A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world and universe that has been repeatedly tested and corroborated in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results.” Scientific theories are based only on facts. I hope this helps!
@@UnoDosThree First yes a scientific theory is based on evidence but the big bang is not a theory it is a hypothesis.
Ken is definitely the type of guy to dump his sewage in the river because "Why should I care? When i'm dead, i'm dead.".
I thought the other one was the naturalist? In naturalism, nothing is relevant after death because there is no personhood remaining. Even if you love somebody now and wish to plan for their future, you may be dead before them and you'll never know if your plan mattered, and you'll all certainly be dead eventually at which point nothing that happened prior matters to any of you. Thus, "Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow you may die," is a common theme for non-theists who see no point to stewardship of any kind, forgetting that even the enjoyment won't matter as it is nothing but a memory that will also die. It's all too bad.
How? You understand that he is doing what is called an internal critique of Bill's position. He isn't asserting that he believes what he's saying in that moment, he is assuming the position that Bill holds and asking questions from that presumption. He is proving that Bill has no reason or value to live from his worldview, and yet he is making moral claims about good and bad and what happens to our children or to the earth.
@@ObnyrThe enjoyment matters to me now and my impact on the world will affect humanities trajectory which will affect the amount of experienced joy as well as its suffering. There is also the hope of both biological immortality as well as the thought of transferring our consciousness to a computer which would allow us to speed up our subjective experience of time with a slight energy increase. Meaning so long as we could collect enough entropy at such point we could live for quadrillions of years worth of subjective experience.
@@Obnyr Hedonism in decision-making for yourself doesn't preclude awareness of, generosity toward and a sense of responsibility for the world beyond yourself both corporeally and temporally. Why does enjoying myself while I can have to mean doing so in an inconsiderate and unsustainable way?
@@Obnyr There are those of us who, fully aware that we will die and be gone, find intrinsic value in taking care of our fellow beings and world, and we desire to leave every place better than we found it, even if we will never visit it in the future. I find that to be a much more virtuous reason for behaving well than doing good in the foolish hope that one will walk on streets of gold and live eternally, or worse yet, out of fear of the consequence of hell.
It was Jesus, by the way, that allegedly taught followers to give no thought for tomorrow, make no plans for the future, save no money, etc.
The best part about this video is hearing Ken Ham say that radiometric dating is an interpretation that could be false while standing in front of a cage with a bunch of Apatausaurus in an ark that Noah "might have built by hiring contractors".
Radiometric dating could be false, it has a margin of error, it's based on certain assumptions.
Radiometric dating is totally useless 😂
When you watch the end of their big debate, it's very clear which one of them is open-minded, and which one is a zealot. They were both asked: "What would it take to change your views?"
Bill's answer: "Show me evidence that I'm wrong, and I'll change my mind! :D"
Ken's answer: "Nothing could change my views."
A fool will interpret Bill's answer as a sign of weakness, and Ken's answer as a display of strength. But the wise will be able to plainly see which of these two men actually care about science and the pursuit of knowledge.
Alternatively
Bill is better at manipulation.
If you don't see Bill as a Zealot for his own cause than IDK what will convince you
@timsans1170 you clearly don't even know what the word zealot means. If you did you would know that Ken is, by definition, being a zealot, whereas Bill is not. A zealot is uncompromising, Bill is not uncompromising, he simply requests evidence, as any sane person should in this case; accepting as truth things that are based in, what is at its' core, a story book.
@@raynekarkados7609 I ,personally, would say that there is evidence. Bill just refuses to accept it. Bill is also going around trying to convince children to desert Christianity and study evolution. Which I don’t understand if there is no purpose to life but to experience it.
@@METVWETV yea his cause to spend his life doing science
@Rayne Karkados show me evidence of evolution. You must show me a monkey turn in to a human instantly and not billions of years.
“ it looks like a modern Amish work shop “
“Well it not an amish workshop”
“That’s what it looks like “
Is so funny 😂 I have no idea how bill stayed so calm through this.
Then ken says well it was built by Amish contractors 😂
Have fun on Judgement Day🤟
I have a back and forth like this in my family. I am just happy bill can do what I don't have the patience for
@Skylar Fun on on Judgement Day. That really would be a miracle.
@@skylar323 have fun waiting for judgement day, which will never come, until you die and cease to exist completely
Bill: *makes a good point*
Ken: “Are you here to attack my beliefs or walk through this ark?”
Bill: Let's continue on.
Ken: But I'm not done attacking you!
😂
For 2 hours followed by dude saying you can purchase a dvd version of it… Isn’t greed a sin? Hmm… lol
Ham was complaining about being attacked, but Nye was questioned not only by Hamm but by all of the audience who were quite hostile, and never complained about it.
@@Dorkfish0127 Isn't that considered an ad hominem fallacy? You're discounting the truth of the man's words simply because you think he shouldn't have said he was being attacked.
Ken Ham: makes a good point
Bill: says he's skeptical or ignores Ken
Posting this entirely unedited and retaining it on your channel nearly a decade later... is, to be polite, *brave*. Misguided and foolhardy, but incredibly brave.
As an atheist and a nihilist, I would like to personally thank you for both this and the original debate. It's been a pleasure to show at first to my friends and family and then eventually to their children.
Listen, I started to hate on Ham and then stopped. Trying to find a creationist willing to debate an ACTUAL scientist is rare. So, while I think he’s a nutter, I have to give him props for this. And to post it fairly unedited.
@kristinakingsley2115 Somewhat posted... if you go to the channel, the video is not actually listed. The only way to find it is to know about it amd actually search for it.
So, despite all his claims, he still hides it from the majority of his viewers.
@kristinakingsley2115 Bill Nye is not an "actual scientist." Bill Nye is a supposed mechanical engineer, a "science commentator. " I don't think science commentator = actual scientist😂 honorary degrees don't really count😮
@earlwright9715 when compares to creationists, my neighbors chicken is a scientist.
Not really sure what your point is here, but I really hope it's not some sort of deluded gotcha moment... would be funny if you thought it was though.
What good does destroying the brains of children do by teaching them about science? Modern science is a ploy used to destroy the moral development of children, just like relegion!
“ I’ve never seen a tree grow faster than trees grow “💀💀💀💀
That was so funny xD
nguyen
difference on the soil ,climate, temperature and situation
Then hes probably living in a very static world 😂
@@IlendlirKireican't happen, bamboo grows faster and bamboo are not trees 😂
I love how Ken keeps saying there is no labels written on those rocks that were found. It's hillarious. He should have a label on his forehead that says evidence
The label dosent have a number of Years on it😵💫
Totally agree
You can ask him how old he is you can't ask a rock how old it is because rocks don't have mouths.
@@davidandthatotherguy1369 not the point dude 😄
@@joelcarter2535 What was the point?
Mr.Nye’s ability to keep his cool for so long is amazing to me man. I would’ve been so done within 15 minutes
Average atheist
he did it for the kids! :D
So you're intolerant, is that what you're saying?
@@METVWETV Big talk coming from the religion which ran the crusades, inquisitions, and is currently running the start of a “transgender eradication” (a genocide) in the red states 💀
@@METVWETV I think he means hearing something as stupid as Ham tends to provoke a fight or flight reaction in reasonable people. I for one applaud Mr.Nye for being a Saint in the face of deliberate intolerance as to the nature of God's plan in the way that Ken so clearly demonstrates. He fails to realize he's slapping limited human understanding onto something so vast and complicated as an entire universe created by an omnipotent being.
However you choose to look at it, the only reason evolution is panned by the religious because they are willfully uninformed and narrow minded. If there is a perfect plan as dictated by God then the evolution and growth of that universe would in fact include an ever evolving state of life. This is simply because all things need different tools in different times.
We invented can openers after the can because we needed cans to open to need an opener. A bird developing a longer beak to catch bugs makes perfect sense because we ourselves evolve technology every day to improve our lives. To say man is capable of evolving technology but God can't evolve a bird is nothing short of absolute blasphemy and the church should treat people who act that way as apostates because that's exactly what they are.
If God invented man, God invented science.
PERIOD.
The bit where Nye is taking selfies with the kids and Ham is just lurking in the background had me dying. Then other people felt bad for him and started giving him pity selfies and handshakes because Nye was getting all the attention
Dude that was almost as embarrassing as the way bill made Ken look stupid the entire time
@@jackwhite8238 Bill made Ken look stupid? I'm pretty sure it's the other way around.
@kaiser9488 I completely agree. All these comments here seem to be more inclined towards Bill when Ken also had amazing evidence and claims. This is the result of common schools where everyone is forced to go to, they always try to go the more secular route unfortunately. Glad to see there is someone out there with same beliefs as me
@@icydragonrider8085 Yep glad to be on the same boat. I've seen videos about this where there's more people with Ken in the comments. I mean Bill is a more popular figure so it makes sense, but Bill's issue (which people don't like ignoring) is that he backs into a corner basically, and when asked "Why does it matter?" he can't really produce a response because nihilism gives no purpose.
@@kaiser9488 the “why does it matter” question is ridiculous to me.
why would you watch a movie if it’s just gonna end? maybe because it’s fun to watch it while it lasts, and the fact that it will end eventually makes it even more worthy of enjoying.
That tree ring line really blew the guy in greens mind 🤣🤣
Its SO FUNNY but scary at the same time😄
Maybe you should do your own research and you will find that Bill Nye is wrong on the facts about the tree rings as he is with every other subject they discussed. He just doesn't know the facts . He thinks Every Authentic Scientist can not believe in a Spiritual Power. He needs to Educate himself by Studying Spiritual Science. 🫠
that facts, that guy is a raging atheist now
I didn't understand that debate topic. It's comparing animated growth to inanimate growth. They are not comparable.
@@wayvire6126bill was using the Bible’s age of how far back it dates the world to say that there are trees older than the Bible itself says the world is. We can determine how old a tree is by it’s rings through out its trunk and how big it is. He basically said the world existed before the Bible says it does and we have evidence to prove so
I've never seen bill nye so angry
I personally think he was pretty chill for the circumstances.I would have been freaking out
Like he said, talking with creationists is frustrating
That's the wicked spirit in him, manifesting at the truth of Jesus Christ.
Nye gets very frustrated and rude when he is incorrect on things
@@Cisco-1944 He was not incorrect. He’s the only sane person.
I actually respect you a lot for posting the full uncut video. Even though you got cut down. I'd encourage you to seriously consider the points he made in this interview.
Cut down? Bill accomplished literally nothing. He was asked direct questions at least a dozen times and dodged or changed the subject without fail.
The dude believes in straight up magic that genetic code wrote itself because a lightning bolt imparted sentience into random amino acid pool and instantly created all the systems necessary to have cellular life.
That's nuts. Small wonder he'd rather balk and mock than man up even once.
I don't agree with Ken, but he's twice the man I am because I'd have laid Bill out way before the end of this.
Even then Bill repeats that his side infers nothing and gets upset about it. Later then makes the claim that he's inferring information without being prompted, gets called out on it, and immediately makes the claim he's not in fact inferring (even though he absolutely is) but simply getting informed indirectly by the evidence (you know, inferring?) and changes the subject in annoyance.
You can't even write a believable TV character who is that blatantly immature and dishonest without offering up that they have an extreme mental disorder.
@@danorris5235100% agree with this
i wish they put up a better debator, one that would say theres evidence that X is actually true like the trees, dinosaur postures, modern animals like turtles being found next to dinosaurs etc so that he could seriously actually consider the logic in the other side and not just get a silly answer not based in facts more theres tons of great points this person didnt make that would make bill think long and hard
@@danorris5235What? Christian's believe their god magically created everything, and you want to put the magic claim on science? That's hilarious!
Bill literally said, numerous times, that he could not provide evidence at that moment, but that there was evidence for his claims. He never made any false claims and went out of his way to make sure he didn't. He also said, numerous times, "Don't take my word for it, go look for yourself".
Bill has far more patience and composure than I do, because I wouldn't have been able to keep myself from using colorful language to illustrate how idiotic and obnoxious Ham's arguments were. Ham literally said that science is blind faith and religion isn't.
I think it’s funny how Aron RA just happens to be chilling in the ark at 52:41
I am so glad you commented this. I was wondering if anyone else caught that, hahaha.
Good eye!
This mf is an easter egg in all these debates I swear 😭 He showed up in the questions section of the James Tour vs. Dave Farina debate
@@aahhhhhhhhhhhhhjust saw that yesterday lol
I liked the girl asking him the questions she seemed genuinely really invested in what Bill was saying
No, she is trying to trip him up. He cant go through the entire science of why these things work the way they do because you need to get heavily into very difficult subjects like quantum mechanics. We can infer things based on research done by multiple people that make these things verifiably true. A good example is there is enough verifiable evidence and research done by scientist with peer reviewed research to verifiably prove the earth it round. I do not need to do my own experiment to prove it. I can reliably trust the past research that states it as so. You can do the same with many of these are more advanced concepts.
And she still failed.
yes and her reaction to Nye s answer why people did not live for centuries.You can see that this answer made sense to her and her expression is priceless.
My favorite part about that bit is how you can tell Ken is REALLY, REALLY uncomfortable with that exchange. He knows Bill is slowly breaking through her shell of ignorance. He can see the cracks, and he desperately wants to seal those cracks, so he pushes him away from the crowd in order to minimize the damage.
@@LauncherSpiderMk7 picture once again worth a thousand words..christianity vs.modern youth
Bill has people circling him and trying to argue God. All he was trying to say was that the science in this museum makes no scientific sense. I applaud him for standing against this many people in his face.
It's amazing to me how much young earth creationists just try to argue for the existence of God and act like therefore it follows that young earth creationism is real. It's like they think the claim "there are zebras who dance around in tuxedos while singing a medley of Frank Sinatra songs" is proven if you just show that "zebras exist."
@@Trip_Fontaine What's more fascinating to me is how all of them would say, "I do know, God created it." And they don't realize the irony of it. You don't actually know, you're just believing and repeating what you were told and taking it as fact without any real evidence to prove otherwise. These people always go to the "if you can't give an answer then God is the answer" which is simply a cop-out because they don't have a real answer either. None of us will ever know all the answers, but we will never stop learning. It's religious people like them that refuse to listen to science because they were told not to, that creationism is the only answer. If science can't explain something immediately for them then it's always God, and then they never try to learn afterwards. All it is in reality is indoctrination.
@@breanainn28 All of that is strawman.
@@Trip_Fontaine because the whole mindset of YEC is entirely presuppositionalist in nature. The misrepresent, misunderstand and make blatant assertions and purposely skew data to fit their already decided conclusion.
It's amazing that Ken doesn't see that his argument "you weren't there, so you can't know" debunks everything he himself believes.
fr bro. He wasn´t there to see the bible be written but says you have to be there to know if things are how they are
I wanted to slap him for bill the moment he said it
Mr. Ham said in his previous debate with Bill Nye that he believes that an infallible eye witness, which is how the bible was written, is perfect evidence to base beliefs of the past off of. Mr. Nye doesn't believe in scripture inspired by an infallible eye witness, so how does he infer all these assumptions about the universe's origins? At least that's how I understood Ham's argument.
“You weren’t there so you can’t assume datings” isn’t the same as you weren’t there so you can’t know. That’s a straw man argument. But I get the point you’re making. “If you weren’t there during the flood. How can you know it happened . Faith. Trust, experience of God. Through his word, growing in relationship with Him. In the present….
@@birdadrian_ anything can be believed on faith. It means absolutely nothing. But science has proven that a global flood is impossible. There is literally not enough moisture in the atmosphere to create one. Not to mention writings and evidence of civilizations living during this supposed flood.
I love how Bill just ignores the majority of Ken's inane interruptions.
I debate Christians and it is exhausting to dismantle one by one each assumption they make. I understand why he chooses to ignore Ken's assumptions
The part that was the most frustrating was when he was asking Mr. Nye that, if when we die that's it, it's over for each of us, why does he care what happens? I felt like this was an excellent example of "I don't know how to explain to you that we should care about other people."
If Mr. Nye is correct and this is all we have, then we should cherish it even more, and want to ensure the best possible life for those who are here. I see that in his concern with climate especially.
@Job Maryland the basis is that morals evolved because they are beneficial to a social species, people who could work together and show empathy tend to survive better than those who couldn’t, and from there we worked with other people to create societies with rules and industry and there you have it.
@Job Maryland ok so basically u DON’T get it then .. I’m not an atheist, but I can understand at least that atheism doesn’t mean “depressing and abysmal”, just because YOU personally may feel that a world without God is depressing, it doesn’t mean that’s what everyone else feels. Just as God brings you comfort, a lack of God may bring others comfort. What a lot of atheists believe is that they should leave the world a better place than they found it, not for themselves or to reward themselves, but for future generations. They don’t believe the whole point of life is evolution. Everyone has a different interpretation of what they think the meaning of life is, whether it’s to find your own meaning, find someone else to love, have children, etc., don’t put a single definition on such a large amount of people.
Like I said I am not atheist but it’d really be in people’s best interests to try to understand each other instead of projecting their own feelings. Everyone seeks comfort for the chaos of life and everyone wants to understand why they are here and what their purpose is. The answer lies in different things for everyone whether that is religion or science or nothing at all.
@Job Maryland yeah, because the worldview fervently embraced by salafists and their Christian counterparts in the US who gladly condemn people in the here and now to immiseration is the awe-inspiring, sublime conception of our existence. Having to listen to Americans is a lifetime of being gaslit. Terrible people who tell you that their terrible ideas and actions actually make them the good guys.
@@jobmaryland87 I actually see it as the opposite. Since you only have one life that you know of, you would want to make the most of it. I believe one's outlook (optimistic or pessimistic) is based on individual temparement and not the thought itself. Besides, why would you live just to die? This is what religion seems like to me: people who follow a certain moral compass just to get into an afterlife that may or may not exist. I'd rather enjoy what I know for certainty...that I'm living right now and wish to make the best of it.
Live life like it’s your last day. I’ve always done that and I’ve managed to complete 90-95% of what I want to complete in life by age 30. Toured in a band, rode a bike around the country, had a child, etc. If I die tomorrow I’m totally fine with that.
Respect to Nye for not just bopping dude on his head lol
I love how flabbergasted Bill Nye gets every time he saw a dinosaurs on the ark. The poster in the workshop and then walks upon a pen of dinosaurs on the ark😂
where does he talk about dinosaurs please i need to know
There were dinosaurs on the Ark. There's STILL bendy tissues found in fossils, apparently 65 million years old🤡 scientists have the answer sitting right in front of them, but they want to believe man's beliefs more than GOD
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I’m only 30 minutes in and I can barely take it lol I’m so glad somebody timestampped that so I could see it.
@@matthew6427 oh man, it's so funny. Ham is in his element there. He knows he got his people around him and Nye is giving him and his ideas publicity, and at no cost I assume.
Ham, "prove it to me right here and now!"
It's gonna be fantastic when this country gets a presidential candidate dismissing germ theory or the equivalent, and their stunned interlocutor is trying to engage in reasoned conversation like Nye.
it’s quite funny watching ken get flustered whenever bill starts making good points loudly haha
That’s because the mass hypnosis he has on a group of idiots was slipping. People were being subjected to ACTUAL evidence and he got scared
Kind of like how when Ken makes a good point and Bill say "I refuse to believe that ".
@@TGarmon84 yeah because it’s all fake. Tell me why we have countless religions. Only the Old Testament is right? What about everyone else religion? Science is a universal tool that all religions/people can use to find answers. Bibles have no answers because the people who made the Bible are people like you and me. It’s believed that multiple people built the Old Testament/Bible because of the different times while making the Bible with different writers. It all goes back on you can’t believe something that you know is true. The whole Adam and Eve sin stuff now that’s dumb. Your all powerful god decided that one of the two people he created messed up so now creatures eat each other wack. They eat each other because they are hungry. Why can we drink alcohol? Because back in the day we would eat the fruit that fell from trees that sat for a long time. How do you make wine. Just sayin religious is all belief wars get started constantly because of it. Nothing good comes from religion. All it is is a way to try and live a life. Walk a path and try to be like Jesus but it’s just live the best life you can and be the best person you can be. Which the only people that follows those views are the followers. I’m not saying that living that way is bad but I can write a motivational book and you follow they ways I write and the path you’ll live a good life same to you you write the book. There is nothing that has come from religions that are proof in what they say. Energy and life from the universe is possible we see it every day. A soul is your energy your essence. All it is is life force and energy. You see these things all around. We all come from the universe we are made up of cells 13+ billion years old. We are made from things that before the beginning of this universe. We are all earthlings are body’s are built in a way to live on this planet coming from microbes on asteroids or different planets. We didn’t come from some crazy being that decided oh you lived a bad life now you live all eternity in hell. Like let’s say you live to be 100 years old. 100 out of a million is so small that it doesn’t even make a dent. So average human life span is 30-70 years and within that time you believe that the wrongs you’ve made in this such small amount of time should last you an eternity of pain. I’ve never seen Jesus pull up and save us from ours sins you see what’s going on in todays time. The amount of times a savior was needed and did not show. The amount of time people prayed for help and was not heard. Your god is all and mighty and made the earth in 6-7 days and decided to nothing after that? What he move away decided he failed off rip so start up new somewhere else. To me it sounds like your gods a quitter who doesn’t care for his people. People born with disabilities what that just a bad joke from god that that person had to live with that for the rest of their life cuz they live bad in the past or sum. We are all the same we are all alive. Religion separates brings no one together. Only people in that group/religion become closer not the outside. But when let go of all the insanity and realize we are atoms and molecules living together simultaneously is great. You have a whole ecosystem in your body living and thriving. You are your own planet. You give life to more life. If anyone was god it would be everything alive and dead. If everything is formed from the same thing that can only mean we are one we are the universe time is relative to you and your own gravitational pull. All god would be is a loop. Like going out far enough and coming back to the place you start. Life making life countless of other universes outside of the one. If you only believe in one universe because that’s all you can see even though we know it’s expanding and becoming bigger and stretching from a center point means there’s a start. If we started why couldn’t another start. In the whole scale of things in this universe that’s tragically sad we believe in a fairy tale over actual evidence and hypothesis. A book made sooo long ago we might never know the actual authors. I can make a book too shoot in todays time you could have an AI make a Bible then go around speaking this is the truth and once you have followers you have a religion. You can believe the things that are true and revolve around proof or follow an idea someone wrote down that can never be proven until Jesus or god or anyone comes down and shows us proof. If you have to base your whole thing on faith and belief with no evidence supporting your claim is outrageous. Fun fact look at where the Bible is made and you find out they take ideas from the country above and below and put them together. He say she say stuff that’s all I hear. Only people that follow the Bible are people who need a higher power to believe in. It’s like king and queen and civilians are less even though they are the exact same as you and me and want to keep the power. Sorry but religion is a scam. It only works if you believe same as Santa. It’s all fairy tail Mumbo jumbo like anyone can make it up. We see it all the time and people getting used example don’t drink the kool aid. These people cult leader killed his own people. Cult religion is the same thing it’s all belief as a group.
Bill would not need to get loud and aggressive if he actually had a point.
I'm still waiting for Bill nye to make any point. Bill believes aliens created people and DNA, but Ken believes that a creature outside our demention and our science, created people and DNA. I have read Walt Browns book. He actually shows the science, behind the hydroplate theory that is far more scientific that anything Bill nye says. My father was an environmental science and a chemist. He explained to me that man made climate change isn't based on science, but on grant renewal syndrome. That means scientists find what they are payed to find, because if they don't they don't get the next grant. There is the bases for climate change and evolution. Science is repeatable and observable. We have observed many things that disprove evolution and climate change. I have watched Bill Nye the engineer/actor for decades. He is an idiot. When you refuse to look at all sides of an issue, then you become brain washed
We know historically that macro evolution was never based on science, but on racism and eugenics. We know that Darwins book,"On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life", was a best seller, because it justified racism and slavery, not because it was scientific. Heckle was called out for faking drawings. They proved in that neanderthals were fully human, they have found blood vessels that are still soft on dinosaurs bones and the dating methods that are based on circular reasoning and theory sometimes will date the same animal millions of years apart. Not to mention all the faked fossils and incomplete fossils and fossils that are several different creatures slapped together to make a whole other creature.
Bill Nye had INCREDIBLE patience.
A tree ring signifies a period of growth. The distance between the rings signifies the period of that growth. Growth is often seasonally associated and is annual.
Generally tree rings are formed annually
If a tree forms multiple rings in a year, the distance between the rings will be different than the usual rings formed annually
"You talk a lot." Says the man who won't let Bill get a concise sentence in without arguing and interrupting
I applaud AIG for posting this unedited, with the comments on. Though I think the creationist argument is beyond losing this argument, I’m glad to see no cherrypicking or malicious editing. Also shout out the the girl with a million questions for Bill. Keep questioning.
How is the creationist argument “beyond losing”?
@@quinntenstevenson4469 being scientifically falsified on almost, if not every claim.
@@NeutralMjolkHotel like wat name one claim
@@johnnysalas1192 The age of the earth
@@NeutralMjolkHotel that made absolutely no sense and the age of the earth as you believe it to be disproves it being millions of years old you think mountains don't crumble or do they last forever lol
I most certainly enjoyed those 2 hours of you getting hammered Mr Ham. Thanks
same
Ham was the only one making sense, using reason and logic. Bill Nye is all smoke and mirrors with his pseudo intellectual scientism.
How did Bill Nye not have an aneurysm? 😮
😂😂😂😂😂😂
bc ken was making valid points , bill literally said “i’m not going to give you an answer about tree rings ?” if he can’t even confidently respond about tree rings can’t u see his foundation of knowledge is atleast shaky ? all
i’m saying is based on the conversation i’d think someone would consider more possibilities
@@JD-ij8bz true, but i think while considering possibilities of others gods we should also keep open minds abt science as well
Mr. Nye has more patience than me.... You notice how he keeps telling people, to go find their own evidence and prove him wrong....
Which makes his world view vastly superior and promotes a growth mindset.
The conclusion "I challenged his worldview". No Mr Ham, you most certainly did no such thing :')
Jesus loves you very very much
@@balletobsessedweirdo If he even existed at all, he's long dead, so I doubt that very, very, very much.
@fr0gger There's nothing wrong with judging people based on their worldview though...
@fr0gger I seem obsessed because He saved me from a very long and horrible time of debilitating anxiety and ocd, He saved me and gave me joy, and I love Him with my whole heart and my entire actions for that, Therefore I dedicated my entire life to my precious Jesus🩷 I hope you have a good day friend
He most certainly did
Props to Bill Nye for showing extreme restraint and patience
Props to God for showing Bill Nye extreme patience and mercy
@@TimeIsNow4Jesus how? Proof?
@@dimfuturefilms9070 how? God created bill Nye, yet bill Nye has so much pride to believe that God exists. How prideful do you have to be to question the existence of God. God has a lot of patience. His mercy is overwhelming. You're asking for proof? Read the word of god, and look at all the geological and biological evidence we have. There is evidence of a global flood even evolutionist scientists now agree that there were several floods but they won't acknowledge the global flood. The rock dating method is inaccurate because it's made in several assumptions as we saw in the mt st Helen rock dating 1980s. All our morals and values come from God, otherwise we would have remained pagan and corrupt. And lastly, we are made in the image of God, this we are created individually by God and our value will be to seek righteousness with him vs evolutionists ideas retain no value for humans, mere animals, this psychopaths like Hitler rise based on this ideology. This is only a fraction of proof.
@@TimeIsNow4Jesus exactly, you got no proof 🤣
😂
I personally enjoy Ken Ham continuously using the “but you weren’t there you didn’t see it happen” as a defence HAHAHAH 😂😂 the irony is hilarious
It was funny yes, but the point is he is willing to admit that his worldview is built on faith, however, Bill Nye isn't willing to admit that for his own worldview.
@@prayerjoseph9776 That’s because Nye’s worldview isn’t built on faith. It’s built on evidence.
@@habe1717 Evidence (predictions) that are presented with assumptions based on faith, for example, he assumes the rate of change of these objects in the present, was the same as their rate of change in the distant past. There is absolutely no way to verify this. Infact we have reason to believe that this is not so.
The past is different from the present, the present is different from the future.
We can have records of the past but they can only go so far back.
I saw it happened, nobody can prove me wrong therefore it happened.
@@prayerjoseph9776 Scientists are not making assumptions.
The layers in ice cores are the result of seasonal differences affecting snowfall and how it packs into ice. These differences in the snow/ice are actually visible to your eye. Essentially, you can see when it was summer(or winter) in the ice. Summers are always 1 year apart so this gives you a very simple method of counting years in ice(This works up until a certain point)
Alternatively, you can measure how much of a particular radioactive isotope is left in ice at a particular point. Since radioactive isotopes decay at a fixed rate, you can use math to figure out when these radioactive particles were deposited into the ice by fresh snow.
There are many other methods too and they can all be corroborated by the presence of specific features in the ice. Black ash layers in an ice core from known volcanic eruptions, or the presence of Tritium from nuclear weapons testing, among several other things, are markers with known dates that allow scientists to check the accuracy and effectiveness of their dating methods.
There are no "assumptions based on faith" here. This is real math and data collection at work.
"You're confusing ice with snow" had me rofl
i didn't catch that, but why is it funny? Snow is made of ice, but ice is not snow, so there could be confusion.
@@worldwithouttime the guys whole "proof" was an example of compacted snow which he was confusing with compacted ice. So his "proof"was flawed and no one in his community knew it or cared to know it
Yeah and then Ken is affirmed by the young lady who confirms his theory in the ice layers and to which she then asks bill how do you get your estimation from the layers and he goes on about “don’t take my word for it, but trust me!”
Snow is 90% air, and when it compacts it traps lots of stuff within it and preserves it, that's how we know for instance the composition of the atmosphere x years ago.
You can always tell when someone has never encountered the supernatural or the miraculous, lol. They have no clue, yet they are so smug. Kinda sad, really.
In 2023 I'm hoping to reach the heights of Bill Nye's patience
He had none. Ken showed much more. While Nye believes in what man tells him...Ken believes every man to be a liar but God to be true. Why are you here....in this place right now? Ask and search!!! Truly
@@daniellerandall3215 How do you know god is real?
@@daniellerandall3215 Ken had zero patience. It was if Nye was talking to a child. Constantly interrupting him, ignoring his points, making inflammatory statements-I’d kill myself if I had to be subjected to a conversation with that guy. The guy is every debater’s worst nightmare because he’s completely close minded and instead of listening to what the other party has to say and responding accordingly and DIRECTLY, he waits for them to finish so he can launch into something absolutely irrelevant to what was said and ignores other peoples points. That’s your guys’ spokesperson? Shame.
@@daniellerandall3215 The guy would rather listen to the voices in his head than actual evidence we can see and touch and hear. And I’m here right now because I went into the search bar and typed “bill nye debate”, not because of some miracle
@@latteknowsbest6365 so you believe we're all just random chance of molecules in motion that has no higher meaning or purpose in this life except to just die?
In a nutshell:
Bill Nye: There's evidence that x is not true
Ken Ham: You were not there to see it
Right, but he trusts everything in the bible is 100% facts... Written by men that didn't know where the sun goes at night.
The Bible talks about people like you. Watch:
2 Timothy 4:3-4
For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. They will reject the truth and chase after myths.
Only fools say in their hearts, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good!
-From the Bible. Psalm 14:1
@@JG-np2be My dear friend. I am a believer myself and I value nothing more, then the true and honest word of God.
I just don’t appreciate the way they argue.
1. Don’t judge to quickly and don’t condemn!
2. Arguing on the Internet is all almost never fruitful
@@joelediger1728 well then those scripture weren't meant for you.
@@JG-np2be The Bible says people who don't believe in the Bible are wrong? That's solid.
“Tree rings aren’t evidence.” Yikes
Mr Ham is extremely brave for posting this after Bill tore him to shreds, Kudos to him.
he’s not brave, he thinks he’s right 💀 he literally thinks he owned bill or something
I thought the opposite
Ya right , he whooped your hero Nye guy all over the place , what are you talking about
Bill Nye just kept parroting the same question-begging epithets, talking about dating methods that Ken Ham keeps contesting, explaining how there are other determining factors at play.
@@noahc2078 yeah he’s wrong, the factors aren’t scientific and are ignorant
When bill is talking I can see the gears turning in the people’s heads 😂 just try to understand a different standpoint. Nye has read the Bible and is addressing it with a scientific mindset. It’s a beautiful clash of religion and science ❤
Hi. you're ❤❤❤
I got the impression that Ken Ham was doubting his own arguments multiple times and just told himself, “No, I can’t- that can’t be right.” He would then continue his own argument, but with a little less confidence. But as he spoke, he would regain that confidence, only to have Bill reset his confidence level the next time he spoke.
I’m a former creationist myself. I know how it feels to make these arguments, hear yourself, doubt it, shush those doubts, and press on. You rinse and repeat until you wake up and come to the realization it’s all incorrect. Then, you look back at who you were and barely recognize yourself.
30 mins into this and I keep pausing it to take a break from the awkwardness. Haha It definitely could be a TV show to pair these two up and have them go around the country bickering over everything.
Ken gets emotional too quickly and then talks over top of Bill
Bill comes at things with an attitude of disgust for part of it
But this has such potential..
I would like to seen them both have a more respectful back and forth with a little more organization to it.
I do respect Bill for going into the Lions den on this one. That couldn’t have been easy.
I saw Bill's disgust as him subtlety getting back at Ken for constantly interrupting him
Im genuinely doing the same thing man. this 2 hr video is going to take 3
They had a 2.5 hour debate around 6/7 years ago which was more organized. Definitely recommend if you have the time for it
@@LandonMaggard yeah thta was interesting to watch
I agree, I respect Bill and all of his accomplishments, but as he said, “this is where we disagree” howbeit, my scientific worldview is based upon the Bible, and looks just as crazy as Quantum physics, but more scientifically probable. But of course, Kin and I disagree, also, on some things that we have not had the chance to discuss. But I admire them both, they would make a good show examining things like Bill’s show did, great show by the way, him and Beekmans World both excited a few generations. God’s love and blessings
Man, this is so hard to watch. I can’t believe people think the way this dude thinks. Thank you bill nye for being cool!
I believe in the word of God
This video is hard to watch for me as well but for the opposite reason. Bill sounds like a teenager making argument with the limited knowledge against the authority.
Ham's 'word salad' dialogue is almost embarrassing if you accept it without question or evidence. Bill Nye is admirably sentient, patient and respectful beyond belief.
HAHAHAHAHAHA respectful??? He was making many underhanded comments.... thats not very respectful. We are ALL sentient and able to feel and perceive things, thats not a quality exclusive to Bill Nye. Patient, well that could be concluded, but Ken was patient as well. Bill is very arrogant and says "I have an open mind" but then immediately says "i disagree", " I dont believe that" and so many other comments that indicate that he is not, in fact, open minded. Very closes minded actually. He criticizes Christians for believing the Bible because its "crazy", yet he openly admitted that he could be wrong, or science could be wrong but he still believes it anyway. Thats whats crazy....
@@jduke367duke8 Nye is reacting to the pseudo science at the museum. He said himself he's not opposed to religion. Yet, Ham, never did admit that he could be wrong on the whole thing.
@@jduke367duke8 Ken was extremely frustrated with someone who wasn't completely brainwashed and not all accepting of his ridiculous claims
@@keithwiebe1787 psuedo science? Because science like darwin have never been wrong right??
@@reedraikes7471 No the brainwashing comes from people teaching that we all evolved from monkeys, or bananas, or it raining on rocks for millions of years.... Thats where the brainwashing comes from.
This should have been a pay per view or at least a Netflix original
I truly enjoy how civil and respectful Bill Nye was throughout the entire discussion. He used evidence, logic and reason in a manner that did not attack Ken Ham belief or character. He simply challenged the exhibits themselves, and when Ham provided the basis for the false claims, Nye solely proved them wrong. Yet all Ham knew to do was to question Nye’s belief-meanwhile, Nye wasn’t stating his beliefs, he was stating evidence that scientists continue to prove (and improve) every day. Nye didn’t attend the exhibit to attack anyone’s spiritual belief. He came in to question the validity of the claims throughout the exhibit, and kindly explained why the claims are invalid.
Ham also tried time and time again to make Nye lose his cool by antagonizing him-and lost time and time again. Nye is all around a decent human being, and he proved this once more in the presence of a condemning Christian. And he did so valiantly.
8:52
this was said better than I could have thought of
you literally watched an entirely different video then.
perfectly summarized the whole video
He keeps saying Bill wasn't there to witness things form in the past so he can't know for sure but is standing in a museum about events he believes in but wasn't there to witness. 😂😂
Yeah he also talks about historical science as well to explain what he believes in.
"bUt tHe bIbLe sAyS iTs tRuE" - Ken Ham
@@gaven1181 Old, sure. Most accurate? What makes you say that?
@@rickerlife9113 I believe a lack of critical thinking and wilful ignorance is where he derives his claims
@@gaven1181 think again cookie, do you really think that the story of noahs ark is unique and wasn't inspired by older stories? I'll give you a hint: it comes from Mesopotamia.
notice everyone twiddling their hands and looking akward and meek while bill has his hands behind his back, because hes confident in what he belives in and he knows theres no way they can prove him wrong.
You say meek as if its a bad thing. This world would be a wonderful place if everyone acted like these meek, kind christians. The meek will inherit the Earth.
Bill is such a great educator. Those kids' lives were changed.
What's disgusting to me is the very dehumanizing idea that the people who dont believe in religion lack morality or claim we wouldn't value life or our future generations. The way Mr. Ham continually tries to push this through out this "debate" is just incredible. It's quite blatant the way he devalues humans, devalues people that do not believe what he does or the way he does.
What’s disgusting is Bill ignoring how many lives religion has saved and wanting to force everyone to be atheist just for his own beliefs. That’s as immoral as morality gets.
@@jeffm1083 bill stated several times in the video that people should decide for themselves. Idk where you're getting the idea that he's forcing anyone, like Christians have done for half of history
@@macglencoe9852 He says for people to decide for themselves while randomly trying to convince people not arguing with him. Ham isn’t arguing with him at the start of this video. He was just explaining his museum. Bill started arguing. Atheists and Devil worshippers hate the idea of God for their own personal reasons and try to push it on the ones with faith.
Everyone knows morality. It is written on their hearts by God regardless of what they say they believe in or how much they abide by it. That's also in The Bible.
Nobody said that, the point is that morality as a concept inevitably requires God, because without an objective standard beyond humans nothing can can account for the existense of morality or any immaretrial concept altogether because, and the fact that all humans know basic right and wrong proves this, also the worst genocides where commited by anti-religious people (hitler, stalin, mao etc)
“I don’t know about millions”
“Well we do” 1:03:50 actually laughed at that part
"I'm talking about land animals, not sea creatures." :D
Just at that bit😁
2:43 Bill saw the flash and was the only one not suprised by the thunder lol
He’s evolved!
no hr difny
Prediction of science. 😂
“You’re confusing ice and snow” 😂😭
Saying I have a new profound respect for Bill Nye would imply I didn’t before this video, but his patience with some of these people is phenomenal.
I see it exactly the Opposite. 🤪
Bill Nye acted like a Know It All Little Brat.
I don't think he understands what Real Science is. LOL 🙃
@@martinrogers6059 real science like>?=
@@martinrogers6059 Bill Nye like most atheists dont want God to exist, you could see how miserably he failed at all the existential questions.
@@gsp3428 wrong.
@@JDime2059 I have heard many atheists say it, many prominent ones also. including Hitchens who said he would be quite depressed if it was true. So maybe not for you but for many they just dont want God to exist.
To the people saying bill avoided answering questions and didn’t support his statements with evidence you need to understand that what he is talking about is much more complex and hard to comprehend than he can explain in a situation like this. He tried to explain how they date one layer of ice but it’s complex and to fully explain it he would need much more time with less distractions and there’s other aspects of science you would need to understand to be able to fully understand why they claim that a layer is equal to a year. On top of that it’s important to remember that in science we cannot prove anything to be 100% true we can only prove things to be false. For example you cannot say with 100% certainty that all swans are white because being able to find and observe all swans on the planet is nearly impossible. Even if you think you’ve seen all swans on the planet there is always a possibility you missed one. A true scientist understands this and therefore things we know as facts are only proven by proving other things wrong. However, because we can only ever prove things are false and not that things are 100% true all of the time, scientists cannot say “this is definitely true across all situations all the time” and still be a good scientist. This is why Bill doesn’t make strong assertions about evidence. 1. Because most of the evidence requires time and other understandings of science than he was able to provide at the time and 2. The principal of falsification.
Well said
10/10
I think they fail to understand that not everyone has the exact scientific study, date, person, etc. in mind to verify claims. It’s not possible to memorize every single possible thing to present as evidence.
@@orangepeelshark8412 That's also a problem
@@orangepeelshark8412 The reason this is very difficult to them is that they know of many people who have the bible memorized which while impressive is definitely achieveable by the average person reading the same book constantly their whole life. To them the bible represents the totality of facts about the universe so they find it strange that "believers in science" never have everything in the world committed to memory.
@Sammy Surrett The practice of saying some things are too complex to explain with limited time has been used by many swindlers and charlatans in the past to disguise their ruse. Some of their victims who would confidently claim they easily understood what was discordantly presented, were often deceived by their own prideful arrogance because it made them feel superior and exclusively brilliant to understand concepts seemingly too difficult for simple folk. Are you exclusively brilliant?
Ken hates it when Bill engages with the crowd. He's terrified when Bill is talking directly to the young people & telling them to simply question what we do not know. That it's okay that we do not have the answers for everything yet & to keep searching, to keep asking, to explore.
How? He doesn’t look concerned at all lol 😂 He is just offering the counter side to everything Bill says
@@V8ER88well yes, he does seem concerened, you can not only see it, but also feel it, haha😂
Because Bill is spreading lies no duh he doesn't like it
@@Icebearishungry stop coping bro jesus loves you
It was ken who invited him and could of kicked him out for being disrespectful But instead kept him in there. I think this discussion should have been somewhere else not in his place for tours. He doesn’t have to have the same views but this isn’t a debate place😢. But I guess it’s up to the boss.
the guy in the green shirt was definitely having an existential crisis
I noticed that too, but he kind of looks like he's on the verge of a panic attack from having all those people around him
Poor guy, can't believe he asked if any advancements in science will ever be made.. The answer to that is so blatantly obvious. Lol
The likes are so split because no one can tell who the video sides with.
It sides with Bill
This is a Christian channel
@@JoeBidenFallsOffBikes filled with lies
I fundamentally disagree with Mr. Hamm, but I will give him credit for posting an entire unedited video, AND leaving the comments on, haha.
@@nasonguy I’m a Christian, and so I can see things from the opposite perspective, but I agree, it’s really great that Ken Hamm let’s us see it all. Raw and unedited.
I respect that. And I respect you for pointing that out.
“not in science class” bills an icon
You mean not supernatural class 😂😂
I'm at 48min and they've only made it through the 1st exhibit!lol. Thank you Mr. Nye for having gone through this. I sure wouldn't have vad the patience!
bill staying direct, calm, and composed when surrounded by like 200 people is why i love that man. Stalwart in his reasoning, no matter the pressure
Ken seems strongly guided by the notion that, without a supernatural afterlife, there is no point in living. What a horrifying thought to believe that if millions of Christians lost their faith they would see their existence as worthless. It’s like he wants to scare people into maintaining their faith…. Oooh, I get it now.
Bit of a flawed argument tbh. From both sides of the pond. I AM a Christian, but for the sake of argument if I’m wrong there’s no consequence to it. I won’t have a conscience to contemplate that fact anyways. Even if this IS all there is to life I don’t understand why that should be scary. So I’m this instance I agree.
I also find the idea of no afterlife to be a laughable idea that has less evidence to it than there actually being an afterlife. If the testimonies of people being brought back from death aren’t enough of a reason to at least consider the option then idk what is.
But I think a vast majority of people are pretty open to the idea of there being an afterlife so this seems like a moot point on my end anyways.
Christianity doesent need to scare people into the faith lol. And if that’s indeed what Ken was trying to do it’s definitely the wrong way to go about it. There are plenty of reasons to convince someone to at least be open to Christianity and it doesent actually require the Bible to do so.
I’m sure Ken is an intelligent brother but there are definitely wrong ways to go about convincing people.
Life insurance bud. Its a powerful thing
@@wowitsfrostygames155 if there truly was an afterlife, surely Lazarus would have gone there. Now Lazarus was dead for a decent bit, I can’t remember how long or if the Bible even says. But he had already been wrapped and placed in a burial tomb by the time Jesus came to resurrect him. If there truly was an afterlife, would that not be something Lazarus would be telling everyone about as soon as he was resurrected? Would that not be something you’d write down in the Bible to talk about? And it’s interesting to look at the Jewish beliefs especially at the time, which posited that there was no afterlife. But where an afterlife is such a big staple of Christianity and supposedly Jesus teachings, shouldn’t that be a huge part of the story of Lazarus? Why are peoples stories today of what they saw after dying and being resuscitated taken as better claims than of what is recorded in the Bible?
@@markvickery5894 the answer to all of those is not necessarily. Fact is we don’t know what those who were revived saw. Their death could have been nothing more than a sleep prior to Jesus reviving them. Or maybe they DID go to an afterlife but, similar to a dream, didn’t remember. Or perhaps they DID speak on the things they saw eventually to those around them.
But it’s not important. You have to understand what the gospels are: eye witness testimony. You can’t give eye witness testimony on something you didn’t see or hear. And even amongst the writers of the gospels they didn’t write down every single possible thing. Each gospel writer focused on different aspects of Jesus’s ministry.
One focused on him being Lord, one focused on him being a servant, one focused on his divinity, etc. each gospel writer wanted their gospel to capture specific parts of Jesus.
And ultimately the gospels, and the Bible really, is about Jesus.
Also, the Jewish belief of no afterlife was not something all Jews believed, it was a specific denomination of Jew. Similar to how there are different denominations of Christian.
The sadducees I believe were the Jews that held this belief. And if you read the Bible you’ll see Jesus debate them on this.
They ask Jesus a question on marriage and the afterlife. In the debate, like any good debater should do, the sadducees were trying to get Jesus in a corner.
They asked him ‘if a woman marries, and her husband dies, and she remarried, and this repeats up to six times, in the afterlife, who’s she married to? If she is married to all of them, she commits adultery by way of polygamy. If she is married to the first one, she committed adultery against him with the other six.’
Their line of reasoning was, there can’t be an afterlife because if there was this problem of marriage would go against Gods divine law. It was a trick question because how can the afterlife be a place where Gods law is broken?
No matter how you slice it, this woman would be committing adultery one way or another.
Jesus responds by saying ‘there will be no marriage in heaven.’ And then asks them a counter questions. ‘Have you not read what was spoken to you by God? “I AM the God of Moses, Isaac, and Jacob.” He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”
Moses, Isaac, and Jacob have been “dead” for many many years by this point, but Jesus’s point was how can God be the god of these people if their conscience stops existing after death? (Which was the view of the sadducees).
He’s calling them out on their lack of understanding the scripture. So yes the afterlife was very much a part of Jesus’s teachings, but it was not a focus of his ministry. His ministry was spreading the word to Jews and gentiles that the kingdom of God was at hand, and that they needed to be saved not from the Roman oppressors, but from sin itself, and that they must repent.
There were a lot of things the ancient Jews believed that were wrong.
@@wowitsfrostygames155its quite ironic how you state that evidence of no afterlife is less than evidence of a afterlife, which makes it "laughable" YET you believe in a scripture that have no evidence whatsoever to back up any of its claims😂 The scientifical errors in Genesis is just enough to prove the whole Bible to be a complete fraud. Adam & Eve... Noahs Ark... The sun being made after Earth.... Life came from land.... The earth and the Universe was made in the same time??
All of these are inaccurate to actual scientific findings and studied theories with alot of evidence backed up to it, all you have is a book thats heavily edited with unknown original authors from a era where people believed everything.
The bible is Laughable. Creationism is laughable, religion is laughable in itself.
Bill single handedly cured my religious trauma
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I no joke think he helped alot. Seeing how absolutely calm and collected he could be debating that jackass, and do it in a NOT patronizing way was incredible! Bill is a big treasure
Science explains how, religion explains why.. They are NOT mutually exclusive.
Yes Bill wants to be the “expert” to think for everyone, including you. If you don’t accept his narrative you get attacked.
As a Christian I am significantly underwhelmed by Ken Ham’s performance, he was rude and made lazy arguments, I’d admit completely that Nye won this debate.
As an atheist, Ken does more for us than he ever did for Christianity.
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U seem confused. What matters in a debate is the strength and validity of ur arguments not if u appear rude or not. I agree that Kens arguments were lazy but in my opinion they were sufficient in showing the flaws in Bills worldview
@@hunterwashere6242 good thing your opinion, like the claims Ken routinely makes but never provides evidence for, do not win debates.
Also, I think it's hilarious that around the 90-minute mark, the entire debate devolves into why we wear clothes
Because Ken keeps trying the 'scattergun' approach to debate.
When Bill provides an answer that Ken doesn't have the scientific literacy to respond to, he quickly switches to the next topic (in this case - why we wear clothes) in the desperate hope that something will stick and 'gotchya' Bill to then 'win' the debate with his silver bullet gotchya.
Because it explains it in the Bible.
@@mosaicdt it literally states in the bible that God gave humans clothes
@@mosaicdt,Go Read The 1st 3 Chapters Of Genesis..Man Sinned,Therefore Was Given Clothes To Cover Our Being Ashamed That We Went Against Gods Words
@@PafMedic We wear clothes to protect our bodies and to stay warm. It is how we evolved. Has nothing to do with some magical fruit that was irresponsibly left in the middle of the garden by some crazy deity.
I wonder if they are aware that Bill Nye is the reason this is the most viewed video on their channel.
Trust me, they're not. They think gawd brought viewers to learn "the truth" 🙄
Probably not.
They believe YAHWEH causes everything to work in their favor.
@@shaunigothictv1003 😆
"I'm not gonna let you influence these young people's way of thinking" *proceeds to influence young people's way of thinking*
Oh, yeah, it's weird how he is so hypocritical and cherrypicky about his data. Like, he's going on at one point about how, basically, if you didn't see it, it didn't happen, and then proceeds to say everything in the Bible happened, even though he didn't see it.
@@bananabellpepper very true
@@bananabellpepper That's cause everything that's in the Bible did happen, Bill is just making crap up.
@@bananabellpepper Ham was leading to the point that the Bible is a document recorded from those who did see the beginning of the Heavens and the Earth… they were there at the beginning.
@kymdickman8910 but why does that override the records that say the pyramids were built more than 6000 years ago
This is hillareous! The looks that Nye gives him whenever he answers is great.
Modern science destroys your brain and your morals. I would love to explain why if you spare a minute.
Ken’s tactic is fighting a war of attrition- he knows how to bring out his follower’s emotions and undermine Bill’s moral trustworthiness, and lets Bill talk because it’s a very difficult crowd to keep focused especially because Bill keeps returning to very particular scientific imagery that doesn’t sound convincing if you’re not already kind of a believer in science. The hope is that people will be open enough that Bill’s confidence, love, and intelligence permeates.
Bill has none of those traits, and you just called science a belief.
Truly bottomed out on intelligence, this take.
As for Bill, his moral trustworthiness was gone the moment he claimed life coming from martian rocks is plausible, while refusing to acknowledge that God making everything is just as plausible an explanation with just as much evidence. That crosses into dishonesty rather than simply a poor conception of the believability of different scenarios.
@@michael-r4kwhy is it just as plausible as Martian rocks or evolution what evidence is there for this claim
@@michael-r4k Your perception of reality is not correct, at all. Your blinded by those blindmen who lead the blind for their own selfish reasons. Blinded by faith in bronze age mythologies and folklores. Religion had a use once, it has long outlived it's actual purpose, and now all it does is serve the rich rulers today to keep the people blind and unthinking. It consoles the people and makes them feel better about their existence, but otherwise keeps credulous folks blind to the truth and the facts about our world and the powers that be.
I respect how Bill actually visited this.
That's kinda sad. Nye had literally zero intention for being honest or decent in doing it. Made that absolutely clear not even ten minutes in.
In a discussion, when adults are involved at least, when you ask a question you listen to an answer instead of interrupting someone before they can get a single word out by asking several more questions and getting increasingly irritated that they're not only getting answers but are being interrupted to be given an answer. 😂
I'm not on Ken's side, but Bill was absolutely insufferable. He'd last about five minutes in a room with people who will forcefully demand decency and basic manners from those around them.
@@danorris5235 Imagine thinking it's sad to respect someone for going outside of their comfort zone.
@@craigpombi9781 Imagine trying to come up with a respectful way to address someone who not only couldn't observe my entire point despite the ability to play said event back as many times as they wanted themselves, but might also lack the ability to read what I wrote to begin with and comprehend it. Yeah... Pretty tall order.
I'll settle for telling you in different words: Bill showed up for zero respectable reasons, behaved in a manner devoid of respect or even worthy of, and it's deserving of any respect because of it.
I don't see how there's confusion here or how you've warped my entire statement into I'm sad because I don't respect disrespectful charlatans masquerading as intelligent reasonable people worthy of human decency while displaying none themselves.
Get your head screwed back on correctly. That cognitive dissonance is gonna bite you really hard later in life if you don't get a handle on it.
Whatever side your on, you gotta admire the patience these two have with each other lol
I'm on satans side with evolutionism
@@Johnsmith-hp6tw me too😈
Let’s be honest, Ken didn’t have much patience. He was fighting the urge to cut Bill off
@@lizzyj_1687 he was really trying to challenge bill to really think about his worldview and what he thinks is true.
@@joelcarter2535 ken brought nothing to the conversation whatsoever
I low-key respect them putting this up in full; a good conversation, even one you disagree with, is important.
“Mr. Ham, you should sell my book” 😂😂😂 the banter between these two is comedic gold!! I wish this tour went on longer just so I could continue laughing and witnessing such wholesome content 😊
Agreed. I come back to watch this many times haha
let your Assurance be in Christ today
the religion of Baal is one that pushes
people to live in a false sense of
security just like the people who worship ball we are living in an era of people who are living with a false sense of security I have paid off my mortgage I am secure
now I have a stock portfolio I am secure
now I have a job I am secure I am making
and have made lots of profits I am
secure
the truth is in this world we owe
nothing really and truly we don't own
anything at best we may be stewards of
something for several decades but when
we die we can't take those things that
we say we own with us yes you may own
the Deeds of your house but someone else
owned that same house 30 years ago and
another person 30 years before that and
then another person 30 years from now
and when you die you will no longer earn
that land or home that really puts
verses like this into perspective Job
chapter 1 verse 21 and said naked came I
out of my mother's womb and naked shall
I return thither the lord gave and the
Lord hath taken away blessed be the name
of the Lord
Matthew chapter 6 verses 19 through 21
lay not up yourselves Treasures upon
Earth where moth and rust stuff corrupt
and where thieves break through and
steal but lay up for yourselves
Treasures in Heaven were neither moth
nor rust doth corrupt and where thieves
do not break through nor steal for where
your treasure is there will your heart
be also
there is nothing wrong with owning
material things or being rich but they
should not be your sense of security
nothing outside of Christ should be your
sense of security not your job not your
relationship not your looks or your
connections or anything other than
Christ
salvation
Jesus Christ should be your own and only
sense of security ball worship had an
Allure of pleasure and a false sense of
security and we can see these things
taking place in our society