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My favorite is actually Gunslinger! I just really love how they are designed around reloading, it makes each subclass feel so unique and makes planning out your actions really interesting. I could see the pattern you describe being boring but I found myself moving a lot to get a better position and had some other actions that provided interesting options. On the other hand my least favorite is Investigator so I pretty surprised that it is so popular. it just feels very boring and lackluster to me. Just like Gunslinger and Inventor might be off-flavor for some I feel like the Investigator just belongs in a less action-filled game.
It really is a good class, and I do like that you can pick up additional reloads as you progress to keep things interesting. I think that since I'm playing through Agents of Edgewatch and Outlaws of Alkenstar right now maybe I'm just a bit burned out on guns and gears and cities and would prefer to get back to swords and magic basics.
Interesting point about the investigator. I'm also kind of surprised at how popular it is. In fact I would dare say that's the class whose popularity most surprises me. It almost reminds me of how sometimes a band writes a whole album, has one song on it that they think is only ok, but it turns out to be their biggest hit.
For me top 5 5) Magus 4) Gunslinger 3) Bard 2) Swashbuckler 1) Thaumaturge I think the big thing the gunslinger needs for spice is alternative reloads. Aid, Inventory, or running 10 feet to get into position could be real fun And then also alternative openers, like recalling knowledge, setting aid, or enhancing an ally's initiative God for me Fighter is nice, but yeah I agree I'd rather have subclasses, and I think there are elegant ways they can do that. Like... *Fighter Paradigms* • Weapon Master - Gains heightened Proficiency with a single weapon type including their Advanced Weapons and a bonus starting Feat with an Activity involving a Strike that you can use with this weapon. • Brute - Gains heightened proficiency with simple weapons, unarmed attacks, and improvised weapons • Arms Master - Gains heightened proficiency with all weapons, and once per turn can swap equipment drawing or exchanging one weapon for another as a free action
Haha. It is a perfectly fine class, and I actually would almost prefer playing in a party that went full steampunk in one campaign and used Gunslinger, Inventors, Alchemists, and an Investigator. That would be really, really fun. I suppose it's just maybe that after having played in Alkenstar and Agents of Edgewatch for the last 2 years now I'm itching to be a druid in the mountains.
I just switched from playing a wizard to a kineticist in one of my campaigns (we soft TPK'd and decided to retire some characters, who are literally retiring due to old age). I opted to stay in a protection/support role and use Timber Sentinel. I feel like I'm doing more magic-based protection than I ever could as a traditional caster.
5:07 Off braandd for me perhaps, a bit, But I agree that a Debuff specialist (that competes on par with the buff specialist) An effective Debuff specialist, called a Witch or Hag? Beautiful
2:38 I'd like to see beast shape forms that approximate Barbarian, Fighter, and Rogue archetypes. Stealthy Sneak Attacks Panther , Accurate Strikes Eagle, or Reckless Raging Badger/Boar etc.
3:41 Ranger : Changes : Pack Hunter? Could you elaborate? As is, the Ranger + Beast master, already can have 2 or more stronk kompanions, that can bring a large nukber of either, Bonus precision dmg, or, bonus accuracy with Flurry. Flurry can bring Agile, and really decrease the total amount of map inside a +5 Strike turn. Precision, across those 5 low MAP strikes, could also add up fairly significantly. Even without Flurry.
Math time! Doesn't Kineticist arguably have 21 subclasses? 6 choose 1 = 6, plus 6 choose 2 = 15. I haven't seen much of the Kineticist in play, but I have to think that, say, a Water-Fire Kin would play and feel at least somewhat different than a Water-Wood Kin, for example.
That is a good point. I suppose I sort of count the "combo" sub classes as singular though. For example, I don't count the Thaumaturge subclasses as more than the # of implements, even though you do pick up extras and have multiple combinations as you move along. To be fair thought, that is different than the kineticist since that kineticist can have "two subclasses" at level 1. Hm. I guess this is my thinking: # of subclasses = # of rulebook entries to read. 6 elements, 6 rulebook entries, 6 subclasses. 66...6 oooooooh no what have we done. Also Psychic and Wizard have dual-subclasses, but with both of those one of the subclass options feels more impactful than the other so it's almost like a 1.a, 1.b kind of situation in my mind.
Mostly whether there are any glaring mechanic problems (only a few classes still have them pre PC2), and then a lot of personal opinion. When I tried a numeric grading system pre PC1 (1) trying to numerically measure criteria other than strict DPS or healing ability results in an opinion anyway, and (2) there were so many ties I just had to go to a personal opinion tiebreaker.
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Hey all, I've got a NEW ranking which includes all of the changes from Player Core 2! Check it out to see how the new rulebook affected the standings: th-cam.com/video/-9oRpLLNxSg/w-d-xo.html
My favorite is actually Gunslinger! I just really love how they are designed around reloading, it makes each subclass feel so unique and makes planning out your actions really interesting. I could see the pattern you describe being boring but I found myself moving a lot to get a better position and had some other actions that provided interesting options.
On the other hand my least favorite is Investigator so I pretty surprised that it is so popular. it just feels very boring and lackluster to me. Just like Gunslinger and Inventor might be off-flavor for some I feel like the Investigator just belongs in a less action-filled game.
It really is a good class, and I do like that you can pick up additional reloads as you progress to keep things interesting. I think that since I'm playing through Agents of Edgewatch and Outlaws of Alkenstar right now maybe I'm just a bit burned out on guns and gears and cities and would prefer to get back to swords and magic basics.
Interesting point about the investigator. I'm also kind of surprised at how popular it is. In fact I would dare say that's the class whose popularity most surprises me. It almost reminds me of how sometimes a band writes a whole album, has one song on it that they think is only ok, but it turns out to be their biggest hit.
Gunslinger is fun! I just wish running reload was built in, instead of being a class feat
I'm loving the witch updates! It's no longer just a slightly different wizard, and I'm loving that my familiar is so helpful in combat.
Remaster witch is sweet
For me top 5
5) Magus
4) Gunslinger
3) Bard
2) Swashbuckler
1) Thaumaturge
I think the big thing the gunslinger needs for spice is alternative reloads. Aid, Inventory, or running 10 feet to get into position could be real fun
And then also alternative openers, like recalling knowledge, setting aid, or enhancing an ally's initiative
God for me Fighter is nice, but yeah I agree I'd rather have subclasses, and I think there are elegant ways they can do that. Like...
*Fighter Paradigms*
• Weapon Master - Gains heightened Proficiency with a single weapon type including their Advanced Weapons and a bonus starting Feat with an Activity involving a Strike that you can use with this weapon.
• Brute - Gains heightened proficiency with simple weapons, unarmed attacks, and improvised weapons
• Arms Master - Gains heightened proficiency with all weapons, and once per turn can swap equipment drawing or exchanging one weapon for another as a free action
2-for-1, today! 🎉
You really gave me hope for gunslinger through till the end...
Haha. It is a perfectly fine class, and I actually would almost prefer playing in a party that went full steampunk in one campaign and used Gunslinger, Inventors, Alchemists, and an Investigator. That would be really, really fun. I suppose it's just maybe that after having played in Alkenstar and Agents of Edgewatch for the last 2 years now I'm itching to be a druid in the mountains.
My top 3 Martial:
- Monk
- Swashbuckler
- Magus
My top 3 Spellcaster:
- Witch
- Sorcerer
- Psychic
What would you label Kineticist as martial or caster?
Caster! They can cast spells endlessly.
I just switched from playing a wizard to a kineticist in one of my campaigns (we soft TPK'd and decided to retire some characters, who are literally retiring due to old age). I opted to stay in a protection/support role and use Timber Sentinel. I feel like I'm doing more magic-based protection than I ever could as a traditional caster.
5:07
Off braandd for me perhaps, a bit,
But I agree that a Debuff specialist (that competes on par with the buff specialist)
An effective Debuff specialist, called a Witch or Hag?
Beautiful
Going hard till the end! I respect it!
2:38
I'd like to see beast shape forms that approximate Barbarian, Fighter, and Rogue archetypes.
Stealthy Sneak Attacks Panther , Accurate Strikes Eagle, or Reckless Raging Badger/Boar etc.
3:41
Ranger : Changes :
Pack Hunter?
Could you elaborate?
As is, the Ranger + Beast master, already can have 2 or more stronk kompanions, that can bring a large nukber of either,
Bonus precision dmg, or, bonus accuracy with Flurry.
Flurry can bring Agile, and really decrease the total amount of map inside a +5 Strike turn.
Precision, across those 5 low MAP strikes, could also add up fairly significantly. Even without Flurry.
Will say Maestro bard has a feat to increase the bonus to +3 by level 8 so it can scale if u want it to take the multi muse feat in advance
Phoebe posted a short about the alchemist in PC2.
I wonder how you feel.
Excited?
21.45
Balance the alchemist against the Kineticist...
Bombs as often as the gate powers...
The witch just looks so cool. I'm so happy with the changes
The witch is easily the "winner" of PC1, imo.
I don't get this video TODAY, considering that player core 2 had been distributed to some youtuber :o
Math time! Doesn't Kineticist arguably have 21 subclasses? 6 choose 1 = 6, plus 6 choose 2 = 15. I haven't seen much of the Kineticist in play, but I have to think that, say, a Water-Fire Kin would play and feel at least somewhat different than a Water-Wood Kin, for example.
That is a good point. I suppose I sort of count the "combo" sub classes as singular though. For example, I don't count the Thaumaturge subclasses as more than the # of implements, even though you do pick up extras and have multiple combinations as you move along. To be fair thought, that is different than the kineticist since that kineticist can have "two subclasses" at level 1. Hm. I guess this is my thinking: # of subclasses = # of rulebook entries to read. 6 elements, 6 rulebook entries, 6 subclasses. 66...6 oooooooh no what have we done.
Also Psychic and Wizard have dual-subclasses, but with both of those one of the subclass options feels more impactful than the other so it's almost like a 1.a, 1.b kind of situation in my mind.
@@RebelThenKing Thanks for your thoughtful reply! Really enjoy your channel.
I can't tell what you're rating these on. Just your fondness for them?
Mostly whether there are any glaring mechanic problems (only a few classes still have them pre PC2), and then a lot of personal opinion. When I tried a numeric grading system pre PC1 (1) trying to numerically measure criteria other than strict DPS or healing ability results in an opinion anyway, and (2) there were so many ties I just had to go to a personal opinion tiebreaker.