All Changes to Barbarian in Pathfinder 2e Remaster's Player Core 2
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Slight correction at 11:10 - Animal Instinct Barbarian not using weapons while raging was already there; it was part of the anathema, not the Instinct Ability.
I have a 13th level giant instinct barbarian. His base AC is 35, reduced to 34 whenever he is wielding his oversize weapon due to Clumsy 1. I ran some numbers, and no longer having the untyped -1 penalty to AC is going to make a nice difference. And it's more than 5% less damage. It varies by opponent level and whether or not he's off-guard, but against most creatures he is likely to face (i.e., within two levels of himself), he will take 10% to 14% less damage on a first swing, or 8% to 14% less damage on first swing if he is also off-guard (which is often the case). My point being, I am very happy about losing that penalty.
"No longer can animal instinct use weapons while raging" did you miss the part of premaster animal instinct where using weapons was anathema. this is actually better because now instead of having an option that turns off all your class abilities, you're just physically unable to do it
Which is odd considering that in a technical way we still can use shields, in any case it truly turn them into the most in-your-face off-tank now with the extra AC.
@@nicolasvillasecaali7662and with animal skin, they actually become a pretty decent main tank as well.
@@hellfrozenphoenix13 the kind that focus on killing the enemy are tanks that can't truly be ignored
@nicolasvillasecaali7662 this. Animal Instinct is going to be terrifying I think.
@@drush_off we have confirmation of that? Because the language in the description seems that only the item group "Weapons" is the one affected by the limitation.
Thanks for the video! Eagerly waiting to see what happened with Investigator.
One small correction. A -1 to AC is a 10-15% extra damage, not 5%.
Animal Instinct always couldn't use weapons while raging, its says so at the end of the text under Anathema.
Greatly approve of all of these changes. Having played alongside a fighter during AV I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little bit jealous of them. I went down more often, did less damage (accuracy matters), and was always second picked with haste unless the fighter was debuffed. I eventually went full grapple support to feel more use full but man that felt a little disappointing.
@@truevenom97 Funny enough, I'm running Abomination Vaults right now and killed our Barbarian because he kept breaking doors and getting swarmed. Morlocks and Ghouls don't mess around.
About the Giant weapons... a Giant instinct barbarian's weapon is supposed to be OVERSIZED - and that means that, aside from being unbelievably heavy, it costs double. This means that a Giant instinct barbarian with a bastard sword is barely below the upper limit, with eight gold of cost.
Do you mean starting gold? It would take up roughly 53.3% of raw starting income of 15GP
@@PH03NIX96 I meant that Giant instinct barbarians get an oversized weapon for free as long as it is 9 GP or less. This means that they should watch out for their choices - the most complex and unusual the weapon, the more costly it'll be. Luckily, the only melee weapons in the Player Core 1 that would go beyond the allowed price are both Agile AND Finesse - weapons that a Barbarian wouldn't consider suitable. But maybe there are new weapons like that in the Core 2?
@@alarkhar I see! I'm playing a Battle Zoo Dragon Barb in Kingmaker atm. So my gold costs are relatively non-existant since I can't use held items.
The +2 to hit feat previously imposed - 2ac I believe. So nice buff. Couple with Rage debuff gone and it's 2 ac better than it used to be.
Love the durability and dpr increases. Fighter dpr likely still higher via more reactions, and it has disrupting stance, which is an S tier control feat.
Might have overtaken fighter as best melee martial.
A lot are happy that the AC fee is removed, and it certainly makes the barbarian amazing against higher level menaces, but now that lower level enemies can flank it better means that crowds will be more menacing (and Giant barbarians will become more vulnerable to it than before) but it's neat that now the class have some vulnerability that the casters he used to protect can cover for them.
Overall all these changes are great an- what? Wait No! NO! Don't charge alone in the middle of the zombie horde! DOUBLE RAGE DAMAGE IS NOT WORTH!!!! (It totally is)
Fool, if the enemies want to stand in whirlwind strike range, that is THEIR FUNERAL
@@StarlingsweeterOh ABSOLUTELY TRUE, but the path towards achieving that power is tortuous and hard, luckily sweep is certainly helpful to do that.
@@Starlingsweeter Me playing a Battlezoo Red Dragon Barbarian Red Dragon Instinct Ravager Diehard "So you have chosen death"
Level 10 barb feat I don't think you caught, silencing strike! RAW before, it never said you had to land your attack to try the fort save! Now you actually have to hit the enemy for the save to be rolled thanks to the "if it hits" clause. Makes a LOT more sense haha
Probably my favorite glow up in the remaster, I can't wait for the bloodrager class archetype!
Love the video. But the text of Vengeful strike says that if the TRIGGERING Attack is a critical the vengeful strike doesn’t cost a reaction.
I take that to mean the enemy has to crit you, not the other way around. Interestingly that makes the subsequent fury feat a little better since if you get crit you'd get two reactive strikes (one free, and one with the fury reaction).
The barbarian has seriously been buffed!
I like that rage doesn't remove your ac anymore. You're already locked away from doing anything that requires concentration anyway, why does it need another cost? Also I'm glad Instinct Anatema is mostly gone. It was such a limiting mechanic. I don't want my character's personality to be decided for me, thank you very much.
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Re: Giant Instinct weapon gold limit:
Exquisite Sword Cane is 90 gp. Doubled for size large, halved for sale.
So if there was no limit, every giant barbarian would just start with one of those and have 90 extra gold at start.
My biggest disappointment is the lack of changes to the level 1 and 2 feats. I'd probably even say move that heavy armor feat from 8 to 1. Maybe there is an issue doing it that I just don't see but seems like it would start with the same AC and give the freedom to dump dex. There are a couple other high level feats I could see droping down, Tangle of battle comes to mind. Maybe tie Intimidating Prowess to Raging Intimidation instead of Scared to Death or have it add something to Intimidating Strike?
I felt stuck with Raging Intimidation on my Animal Barb since Not being able to use weapons ruled out Raging Thrower,. I could of Taken sudden charge but if I ever made it to Predator's Pounce I would need to retrain it then... At least taking sudden charge at 2 gave a few other options for that.
Agreed. Fury's benefit is barely existent as it is and the feats could use a general boost. Like a level 1 feat to choose amd take a -1 AC for the rage but gain a +1 to attack? Things like that, make the level 1 and 2 feats feel like something that matters
Previously for Animal Instinct it was anethema to use weapons while raging so that’s not really a nerf, though it is a bummer they upheld that rule.
Thanks for this! It’s a great overview. I’m looking forward to quick tempered and furious footfalls for my barbarian.
Shoot... I think I wanna make a fleshwarp superstition barbarian now...
Glad you're doing this man!
HUZZAH! The age of the barbarian is nigh!
Giant instict barbarian's 9 gold limit seems to be there only to prevent picking composite bows and some ancestry specific weapons
I honestly hope they give us the -1 AC in the form of a feat. Something like "you can deepen your rage, letting your reckless nature cause damage to your foes. Take a -1 AC, but also makes your first attack each turn have its damage increased by one Die step."
I do think some flavor got lost when we lost the AC penalty, but adding it back as a feat may be great in its place.
yeah absolutely i think like a +2 to damage would be better cuz d12 die but i absolutely hope they bring it back in the form of a feat, playing barb as a tank and not a glass cannon feels... wrong? to me at least, i know people like the tank barb and im not against it i just dont like that its the only barb you can play now unless you play giant instinct y'know?
@bea-ti9rg I agree! And +2 damage could work, maybe increasing with level or additional feats. Or even a +1 to hit maybe. I agree that having more options is good, and having the ability to make a glass cannon style barb is fun.
I also hope they eventually make Fury feel like hot dog water. I'd say they fit the theme of glass cannon most, so maybe giving them baseline AC lost during rages and maybe even less HP per level in exchange for a quickened style effect.
Don't get me wrong, I do like buffs. But I also like flavor and options. And I hope they start to diversify some of these things a little bit more in the future.
-1 AC to less than a +1 to DPR is absolutely terrible
I'm pretty sure there is a high level feat that does this. If you're below half hp you can get a penalty to AC but boost your damage.
@@Kitusser Yes, it's currently called Reckless Abandon. It gives you a +2 to hit and a -2 to AC and -1 to saving throws as long as you are and remain below 50% hp. It's getting reworked from -2 AC to just -1 AC in Player Core 2 and a new name.
The fury barb feat os even worse as its resistance so it doesnt stack with innate resistance. So its sometimes an upgrade to your resistance at later levels which is a tad silly.
Honestly to fix it they should let the resistance stack and then the later Fury feat lets you block damage and make the attack once crit
@cajeb5396 ye definitely feel at least fury should have staking resistance or somthing. At the moment the feat is OK at best. And is a later replacement.
Dang, you got the best backgrounds.
hehe, more power for my support giant barbarian. 19:30 to be fair, enemies that are large and use cool magic weapons are not the rarest thing
"Getting magic weapons as a giant barbarian is difficult"
No its not, you can just transfer the runes from any magic weapon you find for a tenth of the rune's price :/
Yes, making annihilating swing core means players can actually take it in society play.
If they ever release any scenarios that go that high
Still don't get why Fury barbarians don't receive damage resistance to all physical damage. Restricting it just to weapon damage is just stupid. And no, it would not be too strong considering that animal instinct is already 66% there (piercing and slashing) in addition to all the good feats they have.
I was worried about removing the -1 penalty, but removing deny advantage actually makes it balance out a bit.
Making rage almost free though? Why? It makes classes like Ranger, Swashbuckler and Rogue feel worse, as they need to set up more.
Dragon feels weird to double down on poison damage and lose much of the elemental damage
Swashbuckler was given their precise strike damage on all attacks, no panache needed and getting panache on failed checks gives plenty of ways to get finishers.
Rangers can get their hunt prey active before combat starts.
Rogues aren't the damage class so not a big deal if getting their bonus damage is harder
Rogue has Surprise Attack.
@@MrTallFrog that sounds like a very needed buff, I was reading that.
Giant Instinct got a lot more "competitive" i think. With the general -1 from rage being removed, Giant now only suffers that -1 from raging and not a -2 like they used to. And -1 is a lot less bad than -2.
I wish that for spirit they went with the route of poisoner and the concussive trait and just gave it "void or life damage whichever is more effective against the enemy". Spirit is fine and overall a buff though
Not only that but it is a status -1, that means being frightened 1 will only reduce the remaining saves instead of AC. Same goes for Fatigued
@@Lazypal243 good point!
couldn't the fury instinct take vengeful strike and furious vengeance. and then when they are crit during come and get me, get a vengeful strike as a free action and furious vengeance as a reaction?
Uuuuuhhhhh. Okay, Im so lost on the reasoning for this name change XD ill be honest. Paizo, do you want flavor or generic names for ease of reference? Please, pick a lane!
Whirlwind Toss came from FotRP AP, it was level 20 though.
There was no point for Embrace the Pain to Grapple an enemy outside of your reach, the grab would end immediately as they were out of your reach.
Keep up the good work man!
what happened to the barbar's attack of opportunity feat? Is it still there? It seems to be gone form the list. He mentioned a bunch of feat that were removed but not AoO while form some other vids it does not seem to appear on the page
some tip:
came here to see what the anathema is to giant instinct barbarian for pf2e core2, saw the length of the video, saw no bookmarks and dont have the time to watch everything because of 1 minute of info i need
Maybe embrace the pain nerf was for the ranged unarmed attacks? Because before, if you are religiously loyal with the text, a seed pod or web attack could cpunt amd then not make sense.
On the topic of Giant Barbarians finding magic weapons. They can just transfer the rune to their weapon.
I was really hoping that the remastered animal instinct would give flavourful and unique unarmed attacks (y'know, like the howl of the wild animals do)
shame there's still six variations of just "1d10 with a maneuver trait" and three of them are specifically "1d10 piercing with the grapple and unarmed traits" :/
At 10th level, I’m running into monsters that are hitting for 60 points or better each shot. Temporary hip points don’t mean squat at this level.
I’m a little unclear of the intended use case for Superstition Instinct self heal. Normally you start combat full health and the new features incentivize raging instantly so the self heal is useless in that case. Seems more geared toward out of combat healing, but I guess it does help if you delay rage for some reason or if you couldn’t heal to full in between combats
Reading the Superstition Instinct it mentions you only get Frightened 1 if willingly accept magic spell of magic effect, but that's during rage, could you be buffed before rage then bypassing your superstition?
Do you get Quick-Tempered at level 1?
Yes
Barb path of the hidden truck giant with druid dedication for verdient weapon one action seed to weapon second action bonk third action seed no clumsy for me
I’m sorry again. I just can’t help it. You’re leaving yourself. Open to too much criticism.
So what if a giant instinct barbarian finds a weapon that isn’t his size? All you do is remove the runes from the new weapon and put it on the barbarians weapon. For God sake, how hard is that?
I can't see having Scars of Steel once per encounter, breaking the game
43:49 It's a circumstance bonus, so it's not on par with fighters accuracy.
Please do swashbuckler soon 🙏
I don’t know what you’re talking about about barbarians hitting harder. They actually actually do not get any larger damage bonus from raging then they did before the remaster.
I felt as animalistic brutality could've just been a add-on to the animal attacks without having to use an action in combat?... If that seems to op for lv 8 maybe move it up to lv 12
I 2e before the remaster if you weren’t killing your barbarians left and right with critical hits in spite of their hip points, you were doing something wrong. I am a 10th level barbarian in a 2e campaign. I lose hip points so quickly that I actually cannot be face-to-face with the enemy I have to use a weapon to avoid going down so quickly
Like I said, if you’re not your barbarian characters in 2e in spite of their hit points you’re doing something wrong
Nice vid.
In my experience old barb was garbage. Essentially a worse fighter with lower dpr and far squishier. Playing cleric alongside a giant barb sucked hard.
Now dpr, durability and utility all increased. May even be better than fighter, which makes a nice change.
personally i really dont like the removal of the ac penalty it makes it feel like a tank rather than a glass cannon, which for me feels wrong? cuz like the fun of barbarian for me is feeling like im in a blood frenzy taking all the hits getting crits and what not, while dishing out massive damage, and with out *any* penalties raging just feels like more damage to me. i know im in the minority but i honestly hope paizo at least makes a feat or sumthing that lets you take a -1 penalty to ac for like a +2 to damage when you rage or sumthing cuz i know people like tank barbarian but i just wish there was options for glass cannon barb outside of giant instinct.
So the weapons can't start as a special material maybe?
I woukd personally let my player have path to size the weapon to their giant instinct ability for a small quest or fee. Nothing major but not free. I woukd also include some items that are already largre. Esoecially as possibke quests ir wize ques6. Like a weapon or an ancient giant they go looking for or the magical weapon of troll who raided a local village fots perfectly
I’m sorry I just can’t help myself. Taking a players weapon away is kind of a dick move by the GM? Maybe if the GM is your friend?
The GM is not your friend he’s playing the part of the monster that’s trying to kill you and do you honestly think that the monster that’s trying to kill you is going to hesitate when it comes to taking a players weapons.? The monster is not your friend. He will do everything he can to kill you.
41:51 substantial boof!
I have come to understand that you don’t really look at the rules. The animal instinct barbarian was not Nerfed. They were never allowed to use weapons while raging. Seriously if you’re going to learn, learn the rules that you’re talking about.
Hey bud, he made 1 mistake, it's alright, it happens. Otherwise this is a pretty great video summarizing and showing all the changes while giving interesting opinions. Nothing wrong with that!
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