Shenmue III (Zero Punctuation)
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This week on Zero Punctuation, Yahtzee reviews Shenmue III.
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I cannot believe it, he did a load of games in one and STILL missed Doctor Who Edge of Time. Just wanna know if he thinks it's a step forward for vr and Doctor Who games. Nope, honestly I just want him to review one fucking thing with Doctor Who in its name
What you should have done was, not buy this game in the first place! I didn't, and I feel like it's a solid investment!
Well, his Borderlands 3 review went as I expected.
@@gozzilla177 If you're referring to my comment I love the Edge of Time
@@britanimations2002 Nope I'm talking about shenmu lol
It's too bad Yahtzee didn't keep playing, I"m sure he'd have loved finding out that after beating the entire game, the plot has basically gone nowhere, and when it comes to finding out what happened to his dad, Ryu's basically in the same place he was at the start of the game. Fantastic.
@colonforsecs Which is funny, because he got through Dark Souls, Hollow Knight, Guitar Hero, and a ton of other games that absolutely crush Shenmue in difficulty. Maybe it's just bad, man.
great! cant wait for the plot to be not resolved in shenmue 4.
@colonforsecs What kind of dumb analogy is that?
@colonforsecs He writes books you parasite. Do some research before you make an ass out of yourself. Oh wait too late.
@colonforsecs "Oi this book has the same thing written even after I turn the page- GRIND"
Shenmue is a carnival with no prizes, just the frustrating mini-games.
10/10 game of the century
I see.
The only avaliable prize is a randomly determined capsule toy.
Where you of course still have to pay.
@@shards-of-glass-man "It's the same one!"
I still can't tell if this game ending on a cliffhanger again is a move of incredible balls, or incredible stupidity.
shenmue 4 already announced. So it sounds more like fan bait.
Both
There were 13 chapters planned all along. This game was never going to finish the story even if it was made back in the dream cast days. Ending it without conclusion wasn't a marketing move concucted when making this game, it was the plan all along. If you understand that this is the exact game that was intended to be shenmue 3 back when the games were conceived of 20 years ago, without change or deviation, it makes sense
Mathmachine well, the story is supposed to be 10 arcs or so, with this game i think its up to the 5th only. The easyallies review had the exact info
VetisTheWicked which is insane to believe you can keep going back to the well to crank out 3 more games if it indeed was intended to be 10 arcs long and you’re in the 5th
Let's not forget that Yahtzee hates the interpretation of "irony" being "still doing it but rolling your eyes" to a point that he wrote a death cult sacrificing members to man-eating jam about it.
"We're just murdering people irrrrrrrrronically!"
@@MTdaBlacking "All hail Crazy Bob."
I'd think you were making this up if I hadn't read that book and knew that wasn't even the most ridiculous part of it.
@@300IQPrower You should!
@@merrittanimation7721 No, that would be X's acting skills.
Shenmue III in a nutshell:
1. Run around talking to people who will stonewall you at every opportunity.
2. Grind money and catch chickens over and over to learn martial arts
3. Finally confront your father's killer and fail to land a single hit before he gets away.
4. Swear vengeance as the credits roll and be told to buy Shenmue 4 in 50 years.
Shenmue 3: FAILED
Your description of Shenmue 3: NAILED
And people funded millions of dollars for it.
Such stupidity.
That's why I stop bother funding those "old dev who got drove away from a big company but they want to reboot old IP" Trend.
Majority of those games are bad, far worse than Indie game, yet those games usually got funded the most.
3 big disappointment of recent year reboot: Shenmue 3, Mighty no. 9, Bloodstained (before you say anything, basically bad story, cardboard thin character, stiff animation, mediocre art direction, cheap 3D engine with 0 identity, unmemorable music and boss fight )
@Amalaric GoTH Yep it's that bad. Ryo finally faces Lan Di....only to get his ass kicked, Lan Di makes a hasty retreat, and the game ends with Ryo swearing that he will find Lan Di one day and get revenge.
In other words....Ryo is on THE EXACT SAME POSITION at the end of Shenmue 3 that he was in at the start of Shenmue 1!
@@mic01851165 And Disintegration, from the old Bungie dev. And Lawbreakers. And the game they made after Lawbreakers, that somehow looked and sold significantly worse than Lawbreakers, one of the worst selling AAA games of all time.
Eyepatch wolf: "We waited years for a shenmue filler!"
Shenmue was groundbreaking at the time for doing something no one else had done at the time: giving you a town that you interacted with as a normal person. You could talk and interact with anyone and everything, and you realistically had to wait for time to pass and work a day job to get cash. It was an interactive slice-of-life simulator.
Only problem now is, between games like Yakuza, Animal Crossing, and to a lesser extent Skyrim, we have games that do that better, and without all the shit that sucks.
I never understood the appeal of 'slice of life' simulators. Why would I care about a game that just shows the tedium of most people's average lives? Like I need another job, or lawn to mow. If someone wants to make a day in the life of an astronaut, or James Bond, then hell yeah, but for some batshit reason people just make slice of life simulations for pastry chefs or insurance salesmen ... or in this case, witless gomers.
@@cameronb851 Slice of life simulatiors are really relaxing and enjoyable to loads of people. Especially people who might not have peaceful lives. The repetition is comfortimg and calming. And it is fun to be a completely different person from a completely different country and culture lol.
@@Ray-tf5wu - Fair call, though I would think that they at least would contain a moderately interesting premise and/or game-play, which this game does not. It doesn't have to be shootouts and ultra violence. Interestingly, I have noticed a few more visceral games sometimes include elements that I think are of this nature.
I've been playing through Far Cry 5 a bit, and while the core game play loop is of course running and gunning, there's a whole separate mini game where you can just fish. Given the often stunning natural environment that the game has, I imagine you could sit down for hours at a nice in game fishing spot and just relax. And to me, this would be far more enjoyable as a meditative soothing experience than a tedious dull routine.
There's even a few in game pets, such as a dog, that you could take with you and between the roaming activity of the dog, the weather /night and day system in the game and the visual of fish jumping on the surface, it could be quite relaxing for someone who doesn't have access to this kind of environment in real life, or even if they do, being able to jump on the game for an hour before going to bed and get a bit of soothing time just relaxing.
But, I see your point, even if for me, I think there are far better games to get this relaxation in.
@@cameronb851 Sims 3 would fall into that category of providing the same tedium for managing average lives, but to some people they do enjoy that needless plodding and poking much like Myst and Riven provided. Make no misunderstanding that I am defending Shenmue or anything... I got halfway through 2 before giving up and never played 1 or 3 D:
"Yazuka - like Shenmue, but without all the shit that sucks" -Sept77
*Do you know any places where sailors hang out around here?*
@@misterturkturkle I see
All of the sailors are big, you know.
YES i know where to FIND places where SAILORS hang out around HERE
your dads bedroom is a good place to start looking
*I'm looking for a black car. Have you seen a black car?*
*wHaT dId yOu SaY?*
Shenmue 3 perfectly embodies the phrase "you got what you wished for, not what you wanted".
That's not a phrase
@@Bloodyshinta1 It is NOW,
bloody shit ninja,
@@Carewolf Well aren't you a delight
@@luisalmeida2816 check the person I replied to's name. I didn't insult him, just used his own youtube name.
MONKEY PAW'D LMAO
I thought the "PRESS START in massive plain white Arial font" bit was a joke.
I was wrong. So horribly, horribly wrong.
You bought the game didn't you?
And just what DOES that clown’s flower smell like?
@@luckieshrimp hydroxic acid!
The hubris of this man (Yu Suzuki) is astounding. Can you imagine if Stephen Spielberg said "Oh no, I don't watch movies"?
There's a quest in Shenmue 2 where you walk around and talk for two hours. Two hours. Let that sink in for a moment.
In game time or real time?
I remember that. I do not wish that upon anyone. Even if they are new to the series. That sequence is torture
@@trexdrew uh..both actually, it is not fun
What does that fucking sink want now?
Revaxx I love that you made that joke
It's been a while since we've had a true evisceration.
Mehnnnnn! It HAS been awhile!
Yes, torturing Yahtzee with having to play terrible games does sound like the most efficient way to get views. The Call of Duty switcheroo was fun too though.
I was wondering why I was laughing my ass off the whole way through.
"I'm looking for some... Chinese People. Do you know any... Chinese People?"
Try asking Chinese people about Chinese people.
They said no, so I left.
Chinese Person: No.
This is the best CHINESE comment i have seen in a while
Reminds me of the Nord citizen quote from Morrowind:
"Seen any elves? Hahahaha!"
'Descending the Slopes of Mt. Ragequit" sounds like the title of Yahtzee's next book. Maybe an autobiography.
You know, if Yahtzee wrote this as a Lovecraftian parody book, I would so read it.
Mark Hashman
I would spent dangerous levels of money on either of those books, The autobiography or the parody book.
That’s called a suicide note
@@silentpaw
Have you read the John Dies at The End books by David Wong?
It's basically Clerks versus Lovecraft and it's great.
Horror comedy but the horror is actually pretty good
@@mattkennedy9308 Thank you for the recommendation good sir.
Came for the “this is how you beat the first boss” comments and was thoroughly disappointed
I know, Yahtzee's fanbase is too well attuned to his abuses to really get their panties wadded anymore. I have to go track down less appreciated reviewers to get flame wars and unwelcome how-tos, and that's more effort than I'm willing to spend on internet entertainment.
It's only abuse if we played the game
(We didn't 😁)
That would require playing it and at this point I'd be surprised if Shenmue has more than half of the people that bought Shenmue 2.
As in I think less than 50k people in this planet even care for it.
@@shis1988 80k people alone backed it on kickstarter, so that's far more than 50k already.
Yea, physical sales weren't particularly high but that's because the people most passionate about it (those 80k) already recieved it through kickstarter and many others preferred buying through digital sales.
It's not like it's a giant franchise, but it's doing just fine enough for itsself.
@@sleepysera so that's from 1.4 million, to 100k to 80k.
Now we should account how many of those got another copy because they opted for the Steam version.
You have to give it to the kickstarter, it gave Shenmue fans EXACTLY what they wanted. The awkward parts of the game were fully intended that way.
It's just that some Shenmue fans are confused as hell that people outside the fanbase aren't going nuts for a game that skipped over a decade of innovation in its genre.
Yes, the last six fans left after the dev took the fanbases money and told them to go fuck themselves
I played the original, and it's sequel. I never finished the second. It just dragged on and on. The one thing i actually liked was the arcade in both games.
Seeing it return (note i did not donate to said Kickstarter, nor have interest in buying S3)
Maybe it's best this series was retired
I feel like the whole problem with kickstarter games is they sink so much money banking on nostalgia that due to ignoring any of the advances in game design fail to bring in a new audience and thus drastically limit the amount of profits they bring in, I mean think about it have you heard anyone complain that the RE2 remake should of been exactly like the original bugs and all
DNF1234 actually I have heard some people complain that the RE2 remake “ruins” the vision of the original, as they don’t seem to understand that the original Resident Evil games have not aged very well. I can understand why older horror games used fixed camera angles and awkward tank controls, but nowadays there are much better ways of building tension and atmosphere.
@@BLZ231 RE2Remake is a different story. It definitely improves what the original game was not capable of. And what current consoles can do. Expansive, yet still chilling.
It deserves +kudos for what it accomplished
That font argument, more than anything else, stopped me purchashing Shenmue 3
Adventures of the Time Displaced Plastic Man with a Wooden Voice on a Search for Nautical People.
It hits Yahtzee too hard since that's his SOP.
See... That's what I think is weird.
When my friend told me Shenmue was a series of games about a mystery and avenging your father, but they cancelled it after 2 games while there should have been 12... I was like "wait, hold on, is this an anime TV show? Because an anime that takes 12 chapters to reveal a mystery and avenge a family member is pretty seasonal. Taking 12 games to avenge a family member is surreal."
Seriously, even Assassins Creed 2 was about under covering a conspiracy involving bankers, politician, nobles and the church, spanning multiple cities of Renaissance Italy, involving magical artefacts, taking time to train the protagonist AND having him assassin dozens of people and learning to better empathise with his victims *IN ONE SINGLE GAME* .
But if you are telling me the author doesn't play videogames it all makes sense. This was done by a person who keeps everything. EVERYTHING. all the filler training and tests are not only there, but they are slow.
I think.
Shenmue seems to me like it's following the narrarive structure of a soap opera or telenovela. Like, I bet old ladies would really like it. It moves like molasses so you can follow it even if you're only lucid for part of it, its moral worldview is that of an 80-year-old grandma, and Ryo's personality, to the extent that he has one, conforms to the standards of what some fans call "mommy porn," i.e. upright and hygenic young men fulfilling their obligations.
Does Ryo even actually avenge his dad in Shenmue III, or is Yu Suzuki seriously trying to let it ride until Shemnue XII?
I wouldn't compare it with modern games, it doesn't hold up that well. It's closer to the relationship fans have with GRR Martin books.
On the other hand I remember thinking AC2 was a bit short
Here's the thing - If the game's director had any game directing talent, he could have his cake and eat it too.
You CAN create a game with a lengthy story detailing a slow life while uncovering a murder's secrets and also at the same time keep it to one game.
You'd need centralized mechanics and the writers willing to do more work through a three year development cycle than your average fanfic writer on a cold sunday morning. Mesh the two together, and you have a well flashed out set of mechanics along with a story that can go on for months.
You are massively misinformed.
Yes, there were to be 12 chapters, but that doesn't mean 12 games. Shenmue 1 & 2 covered chapters 1 - 6 if I remember rightly. Stop spreading nonsense when you've no idea what you're talking about.
That bad undercover cop bit tickled me too much for some reason.
It was perfectly timed
bruh i died when he compared ryus attempts at catching his fathers murderer to brownian motion
All I know about Brownian Motion I learned from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (including the text adventure game).
When is the funeral and is there cake?
i had to google brownian motion.... at first i thought it was code for taking a shit, but who would've guessed it was a random motion of a particle as a result of collisions with surrounding gaseous molecules.
basically, the plot was driven by ryu passing gas....
i GeT iT!
@@Mark73 DON'T PANIC, and don't forget your towel.
The title screen turned out to be one the best metaphors for this game. If a game developer doesn't realize the importance of a good title screen, what else was he oblivious to?
"Whatever it is you want from me, I decided you can't have it."
Our hero
At this rate, why bother with Shenmue when the Yakuza series exist?
Depends on how cultist you are.
@@DinnerForkTongue I just got my robes!
Macaco Macabra Nostalgia. That's about it. I really want this Shenmue and almost feel like it's because I'm nostalgic about being nostalgic about the series, at this point. But I've been resisting that bizarre urge, so far. I'll surely get it when there's a good sale.
All that said, I'd rather play even the old Shenmue games than any Yakuza game. I've tried, they just do absolutely nothing for me. I'd sooner play Sleeping Dogs, actually.
Yakuza is boring and rarely has memorable characters. I cant stop playing shenmue. I could never get into yakuza
Joseph Hasse stop lying
The more I hear about Shenmue, the more I start to sense it's what happens if you gave Ride to Hell: Retribution a dreamcast exclusive
Shenmue was ahead of its time...
Meaning that it felt more like a bad game from 2006 than a good game from 1999
Shenmue might had been ahead of its time, but unfortunately it stayed there 20 years later.
Long before this came out, I remember people wistfully describing shenmue as an insanely innovative, truly open world super game
Now all those people have seemingly disappeared and I’m confused
let's just say reality hit them way too hard with this one
@@magicmon WTF
@@magicmon
So Shenmue fans are just delusional.
Got it.
@@magicmon you are funny
They waited nineteen years to end up with this. It's safe to say that this hurt them much, much more than it hurt us.
What I'm getting from this is that Shenmue 3 (and by extension 1 and 2) are akin the part of Monty Python's Holy Grail, where everone starts yelling "Get on with it!", only it never does.
"Using the default font makes it look like it's made in Windows Movie Maker."
I see what ya did there..
He is an appropriate authority on it though.
Don't think he uses WMM, but something similarly basic.
@@TheGuardDuck He's said before that he uses WMM because he's stubborn and doesn't want to learn to use anything else
@@legatenaarifin Ok. So I'm wrong.
@@legatenaarifin no, it's because he's making a glorified slide show, and WMM is the easiest thing to make a slide show with.
"Whatever it is you want from me Sehnmue 3 you can't have it; as it's probobly one of the few remaining things holding back the masacre". I think this may be your best line yet.
my favorite: "as the operator of a coin operated gattling gun might sarcastically remark, never be afraid of change."
@@AggrivatedMonk Reminder that Enter the Gungeon *has* a gun like that. The Microtransaction Gun. Bought with premium currency (in the base game, anyway), it consumes regular currency with every shot.
Good think yahtzee didn't beat that boss and didn't progress to the next chapter. Or he'd learn that he has to repeat the grinding all over again, and that the game is essentially one big grinding.
I'm a huge Shenmue fan and there is no lie here.
Constipated Wonka it doesn’t have the proper known name attached to it. Release the exact same game with no changes and slap “naughty dog” or “kojima” on the front and literally everybody shitting on the game will start claiming it’s a masterpiece that everybody who doesn’t like it either didn’t play it or just doesn’t understand it. 😂
Heck, he might have found out that basically there's absolutely no plot progress at all, and you end the game basically where you started on the plot to figure out what happened to your dad.
@@constipatedwonka8061 For me? 1980s Asia. Being able to go to the Arcade. The tale of a kid getting a passport to go to China to fight the mob boss that killed his father is compelling. Especially when you realize you never really knew your dad or what he did to deserve it. Following his path in life and learning of the wild ties that now begin to tether to your own life in pursuit of vengeance, remembrance, and kinship through the art of perseverance, combat and compassion.
That in this quest you know the kid being bullied in the park doesn't deserve it. That the stray by your house deserves a saucer of milk on your way home. From a job you took at the docks just to be closer to the mob, and learn their secrets during your breaks and off time.
This stuff is intriguing to me. You only had so many hours in the day, and if you wanted to fuck around and hit the games, the visceral feeling of choosing to break from a clearly driven main quest to fit 'life' in for my health and welfare as a person was tied to Ryos experience as well. At no point did it feel like Skyrim and doing a hunch of side activities in a game. I was just enjoying Ryo's time off from his quest. Tomorrow would be another day, and perhaps that day, will be *the* day.
Maybe not. In that routine, getting a call that your girlfriend has been kidnapped at the docks, because they knew you've been spying and having to go there in the middle of the night to fight them by the dozen. Retainer of a family friend at your side, begrudgingly arriving 'to help you just this once' as 100 men surround you, back to back. A real Double Dragon moment.
All just to bring her back on your motorcycle, bruised up and cuts all over you. Your job at the docks was no more. That chapter is done. The sun coming up in the horizon on the way home as she squeezes closer. Turning the page. Yeah, I dunno. It was magical to me.
@@Krystalmyth You've perfectly summed up the experience of the original Shenmue.
The only reason more people didn't play it than did is that the Dreamcast was before it's time. It wanted to be online for people to play with each other before broadband. It proved that (other than PC) it wasn't possible. They even had a screen in the controller where you could take your saves with you and keep playing minigames that actually helped you on the main game. It was before it's time, and now M$ owns all of Sega's old hardware division.
To me, the Shenmue series has always felt like WarioWare without any shred of self-awareness or casual fun. A collection of random rules/objectives mashed into a play-doh factory and called a work of art because it came out shaped like spaghetti by the other end.
edit: a word
The lack of self-awareness is the whole appeal, though. You can't laugh at WarioWare, because it's in on the joke. It's trying to be silly, so the fact that it is silly is not interesting. Yahtzee doesn't understand irony because he's just a touch on the autism spectrum and lacks a strong theory of mind, but Shenmue is a hell of a laugh for neurotypicals who can appreciate a guileless, heartfelt catastrophe.
@@billvolk4236 Dude please don't type anymore the pretentiousness is getting too much. I was rolling on the floor laughing by the second sentence.
Bill Volk I bet you're r the kind of person that thinks if they watch a bad movie "ironically" then the money they spent to watch it somehow doesn't count and the creators will just shut down for no reason
@@billvolk4236 holy fuck. Are you being serious? Cause I can't believe you typed this with a straight face.
I agree with everything you said...except I've never encountered anyone calling Shenmue "a work of art."
If Shenmue is a work of art then I am to be considered a genius among the likes of Einstein. And if anyone insists on Shenmue being classified a work of art, then Shenmue is the Potato Jesus of video games.
I remember having a wasp nest outside of my bathroom window, you could see them running across it, looked like a small highway. When I got out of the shower they somehow got in, whole bathroom was filled and I was forced to slay them with my pyjama
Killing a boss with your pajamas sounds incredibly more interesting than jerking off church mice for cash. So, no chance it will happen in Shenmue.
Did you get stung?
@@BLZ231 xD A lot. Luckily my eyes, mouth and nose weren't attacked, most of the stings were on my legs and arms. My crotch though, I don't know how they got into my pants let's just keep it at that
but it WILL happen in Yakuza games
and then obama clapped
The way this is described, you’d think you’re playing a Yakuza game with all the fun surgically removed
"Needs a free hours on the lathe just to raise his eyebrows". Damn that's good. I'm officially buying your books once I get the money. I need more good like that in my life.
I'm reading his first book and it's great!
Buy all of them. I did, and I have zero ragrets
@@thisiswhatilike54 they have a great Pratchett/Adams vibe that I love
Real talk: I used to legitimately like Shenmue back in the day... I'm pretty sure it was just nostalgia and me being kind of childish at the time. I played the slightest bit of Shenmue 2 and said "Nah, fuck this!" When I heard that a third one was coming out my very first thought was "Oh god, I hope Yahtzee rips the shit out of it, because I can only derive pleasure through the vicious murder of my childhood."
i like the way you talk
You're so jaded and sardonic like a well written character that exists solely to counter act the overly optimistic protagonist and it's beautiful. This has been my ted talk.
Now all we need is for his own cynicism to be challenged, and possibly make him reflect on himself, debating whether he's just gotten too bitter for his own good, and then we'd have the arc that a character like that would be made for.
3:22 the voice acting here is better than Shenmue's voice acting.
Unlike Yakuza, Shenmue has voice acting.
@@Relugus Wat? Yakuza has some of the best voice acting in all of gaming.
@@Relugus Yakuza has voice acting, incredible voice acting at that. And honestly, I'd prefer no voice acting over voice acting that's fucking terrible.
@@cleversmart0303 and even for Yakuza, the English dub for Yakuza 7 wasn't half bad. Although I personally prefer the Japanese dub, some of the dialogue was better written in the English dub.
This is how I remember Shenmu on DreamCast.
I need to go to the store. But to get there I'll need to drive. To drive there I need my keys, but they're locked in s drawer. But to open the drawer I'll need the key from my father's room but it's locked and only the maid has the key. She's off today...so I'll have to call her. But my phone is broke, so I'll have to go to the neighbors house and use theirs. When I get to the neighbors house they tell me I can use their phone but only if I give them a ride to the store.....🤤🤤🤤
God damn I hated this boring ass game.
Add a little Fantasy to it, and that could be the plot of Ultima VII.
Ine San never has a day off. Search the house, she'll be there.
@@Carewolf Except in Ultima VII you could always just RNG manipulate the casino to earn so much gold that it literally devours the entire world in a massive item overflow error.
@Amalaric GoTH to spite you the bridge has anti personell tiles that don't work if you're in a car but do work when you're on foot
My problem with Shenmue is that the rough idea of a good game was there......and that good game eventually became the Yakuza series. Now Shenmue is sitting around spasming sporadically like a vestigial organ someone forgot to excise.
The Yakuza series is nothing alike. I'm surprised to see how little people have played both of them before comparison
@@matabishippuden6965 that's because yakazua did this crazy thing where they evolved with the times and has developed into its own thing from the baseline that is shenmue. no, breath of the wild is nothing like ocarina of time, but that's because it's had 20 years of growth.
@@Yal_Rathol Admittedly not all of that growth good. I genuinely wonder who looked at Zelda and thought "this high-fantasy adventure needs degradation mechanics". I also wonder what happened to them in their childhood because it makes me think the whole thing was catharsis by proxy wherein the small goblin being hit with the beating stick may be saved by its breaking.
@@ryanjones_rheios fact of the matter is that breath of the wild is the most beloved zelda game in years. no game is perfect, but imagine if they just released zelda 1 again with no updates except the sprites were HD.
@@Yal_Rathol I mean, Zelda 1's largest flaw by far was the lack of any save state. Otherwise its still a solid game. Still you're not wrong, I doubt it'd do as well. I just know that I didn't enjoy Breath of the Wild as much as some others. Subjectivity and all that.
I am literally only refreshing youtube to see what the algorithm thinks is good. This is good
I too am commenting on a video I like in order to improve my personal algorithm results
Yes
Good? I think "statistically likely to be related to your interests based on previously gathered user data" sound more like it.
Hmm
just play Yakuza instead
Yakuza feels like what I imagine people see Shenmue as.
THIS.
@@0tterhead Most of the people who worked on Shenmue worked on Yakuza so that is sort of the point.
@@harryradley I mean yeah he was. Shenmue has aged really poorly but it was arguably one of the biggest "ahead of its time" games of all time. Nearly everything it did has been aped to absolute death. GTA doesn't go 3D open world if Shenmue doesn't happen.
@@BIadelores Damn I had no idea.
Saw Senmue 3 was out, instantly went out and bought my first Yakuza game, 10/10 would recommend
Me and my brother actually had a discussion about Shenmue I and II a few days ago. We may have nostalgia glasses firmly embedded on our faces when it comes to this franchise, but we remember it being mainly story-driven. You got to learn lots about various side characters, play out a love scenario, play a few old arcade games, quick time events (the first to innovate them - they were new back then) and just exploring the city of Yokosuka (which I visited and yes, it was taken from that exact city, I lived there and when I first walked around it felt like deja vu until my sister said she also felt like she remembered this place) so you essentially got to see out a real life city, or at least a section of it.
It was the first game that blew my mind with the side characters because during the day and during the night, some people were around and some weren't, just depending on the hours. But that also included various days. The side characters you got to talk to as if they were real people, had schedules outside of Ryo's realm - you couldn't find them on some days, because of weather or just because they were elsewhere running errands in town. The game made you feel like they were more than just stationary AI with new information every other day to progress the story.
The combat system was fun for what it was. Learning new moves by practicing in the park was just fun for me - but that would be a biased statement because I also took various martial arts before and since. Practicing was just a diligent things and your moves evolved after you got to a certain proficiency and then again after you mastered it. It showed his fighting progress, and those bouts were far from a button mashing fist-fight in that nature. The 70 man fight with Gui Zhang at your side was fun and the music for it was epic, and got your blood pumping. The fighting itself wasn't perfect, but wasn't overly clunky and was JUST fun enough to enjoy.
You could work some odd jobs, the harbor was the one I remember being the most beneficial. The job was tedious but could be fun if you made it as such, which is why I kept going back. With the money you earned from your little job you could buy food, gifts and little easter eggs out of the toy capsules, or play video games in the arcade like Space Harrier and Hang On, or shoot some dice. The weather changed with the year's passing and if you procrastinated to a certain date, you got a bad ending.
The graphics (for it's time) were admittedly high end. Though it looks like there wasn't much innovation in terms of graphics since then, looking at Shenmue III, which I'll agree with people on that, but back then it was amazing. The Nozomi side character is a childhood friend which you can develop a romantic feel for her or not - but inevitably, Ryo leaves at the end of the game so nothing happens of it (spoilers for those who didn't play the first game). But you have to realize that the game itself was basically an interactive detective movie, first... You needed to solve puzzles later on in the game, but clue-gathering was the priority at first. It had enough other elements thrown into the mix to be considered an actual game - and that's why it has a large following.
It had a lot going for it - and hot damn, was most of the music catchy. The Dreamcast version had a 4th CD with all sorts of unlockables like galleries and art concepts, all the music (even those cut from the game), interviews and development... It was a nice gesture to include because all the music was fitting and was nice. I can say I thoroughly enjoyed the game through it's flaw of not holding up today because of how innovative it was and how much time it kept me busy. If the controls were fixed up a bit for fighting (Yahtzee never said they were clunky or anything of the sort) and glitches were as hard to find in this game as the previous ones, then I'd say it's worth a buy at least at $40 - but that's if you know what you're getting into... Also, this is from me who is just a guy who never buys a game at full price anymore.
This game doesn’t deserve the novel you wrote about it
@@trexdrew Feel free to at least point out what part of it is a lie, if it doesn't deserve it. Anything at all.
@@JeiJohnson The day/night cycle and NPC schedule mechanic completely break the pacing and sense of urgency in the story. Other games with said mechanics are usually open-ended ones like Animal Crossing or The Sims. It doesn't fit a game that boasted to be "Cinematic RPG", Yu Suzuki should have decided to create either life simulator or story-driven game not both. Because the mechanics ruin each other. And the whole NPC schedule thing was only impressive for a short while before becoming an annoyance (and realizing it's only strict programming not something alive). And about that bad ending you mentioned if you procrastinate too much, the game encourage you to enjoy the life simulator aspect but also discourage and punish you at the same time if you enjoy it too much. That's stupid.
The detective part in Shenmue 1 is nothing clever and often pointless, it baffles me why Ryo need to confirm that the bad guys who ransacked his home are Chinese. Lan Di put on full kung fu warrior getup and I assume he speaks Chinese to his underlings when he was at the dojo. Is our brave protagonist too stupid to put these clues together? And correct me if I misremember this, but after doing his "detective" work around town in early chapters, a mail came that explains everything and rendering Ryo's previous investigation pointless. I don't know why you're impressed with Nozomi's characterization there. The whole "childhood friend with unrequited love" trope is overused in anime and JRPG even back in late 90s. Ryo himself is walking shounen protagonist complete with spiky hair and all the mannerism. Shenmue is revolutionary in some aspects, but definitely not in character and story.
In the end while I don't know behind the production story, but I think Shenmue would turn up much better overall if Yu Suzuki had co-writer(s) and his team willing to disagree and give their own input.
The Shenmue series sounds like another case of being a good idea on paper but not so much in practice.
I played the first two Shenmue games 20 years ago and they were good at the time. However, some games age better than others and Shenmue has aged very poorly. The fundamental problem with Shenmue 3 is that Yu Suzuki appears to have learned nothing from any game that has been made in the intervening 20 years, which actually may not be that surprising given that he apparently doesn't play games.
No, they sound horrible on paper. I mean, what is on that paper? "Let's make a fighting game where the core gameplay loop is asking people questions they can't answer and grinding boring minigames, until you end the game without progressing the actual story"?
The game is designed to waste time, not to be enjoyable. Shenmue1 had sections where standing in a corner for several ingame-hours was a valid strategy to progress the story.
Shenmue: Press any button to continue
Yahtzee: Presses power button
Shenmue 3 : Aka Yatzhee triggers the entire Shenmue fanbase.
those 2 people are fuming rn
1 person is not a fan base.
I'm sure both of them will dislike this video.
All two of them?
there's 7 dislikes on the video so they all watched it already
I've literally just discovered this channel. The videos are hilarious. I'm 49, I was a part 3 Kickstarter, I have the obligatory shrine in a second bedroom. I'm just missing a pop star poster and it'll be a 14yr boy again.I feel obliged to finish it but am struggling to do this. The whole thing is very slow and when I start playing Modern Warfare I see Shenmue looking at me. So now I've made the case stand in the corner facing away from me. It helps at least for now.
Just like Ryo waiting in the corner for it to be bedtime.
2019 is about to pass and I still have yet to find a sense of humor that makes me violently force air out of my nose in the way Yahtzee's does
1:33 this is a strong candidate for my favorite zp bit.
seeing ryu wait for sheer entropy to drag him off his ass coupled with the use of "waft" and "crushingly long process", it's the most crystal clear depiction of agonising slowness I've ever seen
If someone killed my dad I would assume they probably had a good reason and leave it at that.
Smfh
Okay, the "wasp locked in the bathroom" bit had me rolling.
Yahtzee plays Shenmue 3....
I see
Saw a bit of a stream of someone playing it, and i kid you not Ryu said "I see" 20 times in half an hour...
Shenmue? Shenmue was basically the 1st tutorial town of a JRPG.
Edit: It was a plan for episodic gaming before the term episodic gaming even existed.
As a member of the Shenmue cult back in the mid 2000's, I have to say...my cheeks are really starting to turn bright red, from being smacked in the face by reality so many times over the past few weeks.
At least that RE3 remake can't break my heart, right?
Wrong
@colonforsecs Damn you're really a die hard Shenmue fanboy aren't you? Replying to various comments about how Yahtzee is bad at games. You don't need to be good at games to also know that Shenmue is absolute trash in a world where actual, functioning gameplay mechanics exist, in thee same world where Yakuza exists.
Well, Capcom did pretty well with RE2's remake. They probably know better on how to make a remake and how to monetise; they've been on fire releasing quality games lately.
Nemesis' teeth though... hope they change them prior to release
TGRobin Your ‘arguments’ are endlessly parroted safe opinions by shit gamers (le Yakuze is wat Shinmu shold hev beeen!). Keep sucking the Yahtzee dick!
It’s been a long while since I last heard Yahtzee this upset over a game. How nice to hear that side of him is still around.
The wasp-in-the-bathroom simile was brilliant.
That Olympic Sprinter joke was the funniest thing I've heard in ages 😂😂😂
As a shenmue "fan" I must agree with all criticism ever said about it. They are horrible games in uncountable ways. Reason for me to be a fan is only nostalgia. Back in the day it was still a shit game but had revolutionised many others, never seen before, which pulled me in dispite the shit gameplay etc. Thanks to shenmue I have learned english as well an interest in japan which got me as far as living there a bunch of years. this is unrelated to shenmue or any other entertainment media but it was the spark, so I guess the nostalgia is big on that one for me.
People enjoy things for different reasons. If you are able to recognize that it has a lot of flaws and still enjoy it for what it is, then congratulations on being more self-aware and mature than the average person.
Just to clarify, as I've been on the internet long enough to know someone will read that the wrong way, I'm not saying that enjoying things with lots of flaws is what makes someone mature. I'm saying that it takes maturity to recognize the flaws in the things you love and accept that they may be deal breakers to other people.
@@archmagusofevil Amen
You are not a shenmue fan not even a smart gamer. Shenmue got perfect scores from most reviewers at the time. And as a review average of more than 90%. That is not a good game? Fuck off. Shenmue was an amazing game, and still is. Shenmue 2 is the best game ever made. It took everything great about the first and fixed its only weekness, pace. No game so far as managed to feel as alive as Shenmue 2 In this 18 years of gaming.
@@LBOtaku STFU, fanboy, you make us look bad.
@@Jose-se9pu stfu moron. You are the one who makes gamers look bad by spreading lies. If you can't handle facts. Than go play fortnite with all the other kids
I sniff glue-ey and sit in my blue-ey chair before taking my cue-ey to play Shenmue-ey.
I literally saw a post from a shenmue fan talking about his first impresions of the game listing the admitedly bad graphics and animations as a positive.
Because he was wearing nostalgia goggles.
Ekkk Take off your zoomer goggles
@@elin111 You mean he was delusional.
it's like The Room, it's fascinatingly bad
Dreamcast actually had a really solid lineup of games. Sega gave up on it when it was actually still selling fairly well.
I for one am glad the system failed, Seaman was the worst game of all time.
@@ecomilliontriheart7610 Seaman was hilarious and unique
@@AndyGilleand it was nightmare fuel for my 9 year old self
You really need to learn what "selling fairly well" means, they had to have Okawa give 60 million dollars of his own money to prevent the company from imploding, and they had more dreamcasts in warehouses and on shelves than were ever sold. By a ratio of like 3:1. They gave up on it before it tanked their company.
@@Jordan-uz9me I think it's mostly Shenmue 1 and 2 having impossibly overblown budgets that killed the Dreamcast.
Shenmue: Throwing money at your problems since 1990 something
I remember enjoying the first one when it came out, but looking back the only things i actually remember about the game is driving a fork lift truck, petting a kitten and playing space harrier rather a lot.
And if one of the only things your players remember about your game is the other game that came with it then you probably did it wrong.
The presence of Shenmue 3 in a world where Yakuza exists confuses and scares me.
Shenmue 3, like Yakuza, but each one doesn't take place in the same map.
And you've got Tomato instead of Donki.
Shenmue 3 existing is proof that Yakuza and Shenmue are not the same. They have two completely different creative lineages. Yakuza can't sctratch the itch for the Shenmue expereince if you were ever actually interested in Shenmue.
Because people refused to notice that the Yakuza series existed until Yakuza 0 came out and people realised the series was a lot sillier than they thought it was.
@@BugLondon So people have an "itch" to walk around talking to people for two hours?
@@49mozzer sound like someone who hasn't played Shenmue
I was expecting that exiting gag to be about punching trees giving logs into his inventory.
Can’t wait for TGA 2019 Zero Punctuation
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Great comment! :-)
Bad profile pic tho. Eeugh
Let's get ready tooooo stumble
I enjoyed the first two games for what they were at the time. This third instalment really brought home just how far things have moved on since then, but my biggest problem with it was the wobbly camera that gave me motion sickness. I couldn’t continue playing for that reason, and by the sounds of it, I haven’t missed much.
I actually like Shenmue and you're not wrong about anything.
So you like Shenmue, but also agree that it’s a “terrible game”?
@@borizzle1 Well people also like The Room because it's terrible. So it could be the similar logic.
@@borizzle1 fascinatingly bad, also pretty relaxing
Shenmue taught me how to be punctual, good work ethic and karate solves all problems. 10/10
"Your rent is due"
*prepares to karate chop landlord to death*
I didn't play the first or the second one so I sure wasn't going to play this one. I just wanted to hear Yahtzee's take on the whole thing.
EDIT: Yes, I owned a Dreamcast.
Thank you for the subtitles. Idk why this isn't common practice.
0:45 - Truth was spoken this day.
Loved the "Bonfire of Comments", er.., comment!! 🤣
(Love your books too. 👍)
Well that yer lot. See you all in 18 years!
"Whatever it is you want from me, I've decided you can't have it" is a pretty good line
"Captain Scarlet puppets" .... OMG! Awesome reference!!
This is one of those things I really like but keep to myself because I can’t defend it
"Don't miss the next three shenmue sequels after which Ryu will have finally completed the first third of his character Arc"
Ah, the Disney Star Wars method.
5:11 🎶I don’t want
Anybody else🎶
I played the original many years ago. I found it unique and interesting. It was immersive in a way that was different from other video games. It took it's time and made you feel as if you were an actual visitor in that world. Guess it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I have fond memories of playing it. Then again, I loved season 3 of Twin Peaks and many of my friends (who were fans of the original) couldn't get down with its pacing and immersion. Same goes for Blade Runner and it's sequel. I think it's just a matter of how you're wired.
1:47 that explains so much. like it or not shenmue is the video game equivalent of inbreeding.
I think Shenmue is the type of series that works much better when you're a kid and can just spend most of your time dicking around playing space harrier and darts waiting for an event to become available, beating up Fukboi-san in the dojo, or trying to look into every nook and cranny of the limited number of indoor environments to see what you can find. The first game especially is basically a waiting simulator if you try and beat it as fast as possible.
For anyone with a busy schedule it must be pretty difficult to get much gratification or sense of progression in any given session.
Every time I see that stock photo of a dog, I think of the button that ruins everything
pleasure as always yahtz
I played Shenmue 1 for the first time last year on the PS4, and I actually loved it. *shrugs*
Yea this is one of my friend's favorite series and at his behest I bought 1&2 when they were remastered....I couldn't even get through the first one...I ended up dropping my controller because I literally fell asleep trying to play. The loud sound woke me up and I promptly took the disc out of my PS4 and haven't looked back.
He was one of the Kickstarters for the third one tho so he got some cool stuff, I guess.
Have you considered getting your friend into therapy? That level of self delusion and abuse cannot be healthy.
Tell him to play Yakuza
@@hobojo153alt4 he does play Yakuza. He got me into Yakuza with Zero and Kiwami which I enjoyed. I loved Kiwami 2 and Judgment, as well. I tried Dragon Quest XI at his behest and loved it. I'm on trophy away from the Plat. So his track record recommending games was good. Which is why I tried Shenmue
@colonforsecs not at all. I can play Horizon Zero Dawn or Pokemon or Spyro for hours at a time. I've done all night Halo 3 LAN parties. I read actual books. My attention span isn't short if something holds my attention.
“Shenmue fan, be sure to leave a lot of comments telling me what I should have done.”
Shenmue Fans: What? That’s it? Please. Continue.
"Do you know where I can buy dick pills?" got a much bigger laugh out of me than it probably deserved.
Think it might be because I can actually picture the protagonist asking that in his monotonous robot-voice while staring blankly into the void.
Ryo: "Do you know where I can buy dick pills?"
The Void: BDIE7EI3OE82Y7EIRHDBDKDG2KEIEHEMEJRJRMRUDH3KE
Ryo: "I see"
I'm honestly fascinated by people who like games like shenmue. how do they do it? how do they resist jumping out of the nearest window after playing it?
Easy. They played it with the pink-tinted glasses of childhood nostalgia.
“When I think about you I punch myself”
*Plays Hurt by Nine Inch Nails or the Johnny Cash cover*
Oh I don't want anybody else, when I think about you I punch myself...wait, wrong song.
@@planexshifter Which is a shame cause I love his version of Rusty Cage.
Yesterday I thought to myself: "What day is it? It feels like it's been ages since the last ZP... I bet a new one must be out already!" and then I watched the last one again.
What I'm trying to say is that I missed you... in a non-creepy way!
4:47 chopped so much wood he turned into Aris
I've always kinda questioned Shenmue's following ... I was told how great it was, but it was in the form of a bunch of things that sounding boring, annoying, or badly implemented soooo...
@colonforsecs Well, some of us don't have the time or money to try all the thousands of games made each year and have to work with what they give us as selling points. If the things the creators think are best about their game sound terrible well...
It was a 3-D sandbox game made before GTA 3, and paved the way for the GTA series and the entire genre. That's how groundbreaking it was.
However 2 didn't really break any more ground nor built much upon it, so it was far less ahead of its time compared to its predecessor.
And 3....Yeah it's like the recent movie Rambo:Last blood. Old man sitting in the corner doing nothing for decades suddenly stands up and tries to show that he's still got it, but only shows just outdated he is...
There's only one wooden emotionless Asian man who communicates through punching hoodlums really hard in my life and his name is Kazuma Kiryu.
I'm gonna need popcorn for this one
in the squats minigame i thought he was just taking a shit