The Photogrammetry/3D modeling field would most definitely embrace this platform. Just needs room for a high end camera and or LiDAR Scanner. The larger companies are currently switching to VTOLs for increased flight times to allow for much larger areas to be scanned. I would seriously look into it, and may be a future customer, as I am currently getting into the field myself. Much luck to you and as always thanks to Mark for all that you bring to the table
there was a filament by form futura which was polypropylene with hollow glass microspheres which is 40% lighter than normal PLA but not foaming. that avoids oozing problems and you don't have to design minimal/zero travel parts for slicing in surface mode. (but that filament isn't available anymore (i bought the last 4 rolls))
that m10 has issues with the old betaflight they fixed it in newer revisions , i had problems troubleshooting only to randomly find out it was a known and fixed issue , awesome work guys 👍👍
@@TheOneAndOnlySatan Its not the prop but the airflow leading into / out of it. Inverting the motors ensures that the flow from the props providing the lift isn't being blocked by parts of the Quads frame. Furthermore, the motors use centrifugal force to pull air over the stator to self cool. Unfortunately for may Quads, this flow is opposite of the propellers. Inverting the motors, makes sure that the cooling flow is matching the propellers flow. Thus increasing efficiency a small amount, while also improving cooling. Granted for small Quads, ,the effect is negligible, but for a long range flights every little bit counts!
At that size and with rater limited dynamics, I wonder whether a classical single main rotor helicopter design would be the better choice when optimizing towards efficiency.
Or two large counter-rotating rotors. I recently saw a manned version similar to a mosquito, but no need for a tail rotor with the counter-rotating main rotors.
I flew a foam electric biplane that I built many years ago before lipo was even a thing. It used 2 liFe cells harvested from a brick cellphone way back. I flew it for 90 minutes. Everyone at the club had questions after. I had to hand the control off to my brother many times. We took turns the entire 90 minutes. I can say flying rc for that length of time is grueling. A Drone may be easier because you can just let it hover in place, but actually flying that long at the controls RC is definitely harder than flying in an airplane. Very cool project. I hope they are successful in their business.
What they won't tell you, is that they got 2h flight time on an empty quad, with no payload at all ;) With some of the payload things gonna change dramatically
awesome concept, great that you're getting 20% more energy dense cells too! Does locating the heavy battery packs in the rotating hubs affect stability?
For payloads look at what Inspired Flight is doing. This could fly photogramatry and lidar payloads that would be interesting. Mapping missions are often a couple hours long taking up to 4 battery changes. Every battery change interrupts the missions data flow. 5lbs is about the medium-high range for these payloads.
WOW as a professional helicopter FPV pilot and aircraft engineer im currently working on Single engine gas or electric and with collective pitch on all 4 props .Trying to build Ride able drone for the past years
Bloody well done guys. Get rid of that energy sapping kinetic noise and it will be a Boss. Congratulations. My first drones I built over 10 years ago... and Ardu was great back then.
Ardu was not great back then, it hovered like a butterfly. I still got my 650mm deadcat with apm2.5, and flew it a week ago. While it seemed great back then, there is so much better now.
Just a thought. How about the STL files and or a kit in a smaller version to fits on a PRUSA MK4S? Like two batteries per motor, something like the fit on the average small 3D printer.
My suggestion to tell them is also maintain under 99wh batteries if you wanna get on airplanes. I also wonder how they'd feel about trying a tilting bi motor set up. Ardupilot can surely handle it
Man, kids today... that is *NOT* a "full size" pickup bed. That looks like maybe a 4.5 footer. Little baby bed. That craft looks great to put up an impromptu sun in the night sky for like, a skate park or something. Stick a massive LED/array under it and just leave it hover in place.
Think best I every did was 46mins. But wasn't like trying to figure out most efficient throttle amount or speed. But even if I did I'd only gain max 10mins 15mins if there was some kind of a miracle.. that was a 8" haven't tested my 10" cause flying a circle at 35mph or 40mph for a hour is so mind numbing. I made a inav flight pattern but it wouldn't work.
I have a question that has nothing to do with this video. Im tuning an aurdupilot vtol with front tilt motors. Im stuck on Q_A_RAT_PIT_FF . Is feedforward needed on pitch? I know its needed for yaw. I tuned that but im confused on pitch. Or do i just tune like a normal quad. Its a tilt vectoring vtol.
Let me guess. The weight of the craft is about 2 kilograms, 2,000 grams? I have a 250g craft that I know max out at 35 minutes. So, by scaling, 2 hours will be 8 times as heavy.
We haven't done major crash tests only bumps and bruises... But on the other hand if your crashing a drone of this size its not going to be pretty no matter what haha.
A few years ago a guy took a foam Phoenix 2600mm motor glider, put in 4s10p (40AH) pack and it flew for 10h45m, (ArduPilot loiter in a circle) just goes to show how inefficient quads are. It would be nice to see it done on a proper plane/motor/prop/esc. th-cam.com/video/HGZC-cvYcb8/w-d-xo.html
Why use geared motors? Aren't you introducing inefficiency, complexity, weight, and more parts to break or wear out? Why not direct-drive BLDC motors? They can be custom-configured to your torque, speed, and power requirements with more efficiency, less weight, and fewer parts. Not to mention quieter!
I was thinking the same but a direct drive would need motors with a bigger diameter and they would probably end up heavier than the combination of smaller motors + gear. Question is though how significant this weight advantage is and if it's worth the extra complexity.
@@EinzigfreierName That's not how gearboxes work. They don't make the motor output more power, they just trade speed for torque. You ADD weight by using a gearbox. The only possible time when a gearbox is better is when an inrunner motor + gearbox efficiency is higher than an outrunner motor alone. That has not been the case for a while. Or if you can't find an outrunner configured the way your requirements demand. But, again, the market is flooded with almost every possible size/configuration of outrunners.
@@ernie5229 I know how gearboxes work. Of course they don't increase power but to drive a big propeller you need high torque and that is normally produced by relatively big (pan-shaped) outrunners which tend to be heavier than a smaller motor with the same power but high RPM. In theory a direct drive should always be more efficient if you look at the drive efficency alone. But if a smaller motor + gear box ends up being lighter, this could be an advantage. For me it's hard to believe this is worth the extra complexity but I guess these guys did there homework on this.
The answer is not to do with the motor but rather with the propeller efficiency. Gearing allows you to swing a larger diameter propeller and the increased disk area results in decreased disk loading which is aerodynamically much more efficient. Same concept as ultra high bypass turbofans. Which also uses gears.
This thing looks very over-engineered. 2h flight times are easily achievable with much simpler setups (and also way smaller in terms of prop diameter) For instance, I got more than 2h endurance using only a 450-sized quad, with 9" props.
... Certainly going to pursue the military contract.... well, of course. Isn't that the American way?? I mean, they're gonna be used against the civilian population, but who cares? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!
@@uavtech They're friggin' censoring, in real-time, seemingly, anything that I say relating to the "skirmish in eastern europe", so to speak... Good grief. These are dangerous times, my friend. I don't think that I can repost - lol!
Modularity as in adding motors as much as needed for a particular task is genius. Good luck Modovolo team for your next milestones !
Appreciate you! Stay tuned!
That's fantastic. And the noise it makes is really crazy 😀
The Photogrammetry/3D modeling field would most definitely embrace this platform. Just needs room for a high end camera and or LiDAR Scanner. The larger companies are currently switching to VTOLs for increased flight times to allow for much larger areas to be scanned. I would seriously look into it, and may be a future customer, as I am currently getting into the field myself. Much luck to you and as always thanks to Mark for all that you bring to the table
I agree! Thanks mark! I think there's tons of potential and the possibility for creativity is endless!
Same here buddy especially with Lidar kits becoming increasingly smaller and lighter 👍✊🤝
Can't wait for solid state batteries to come out. flight times can get even longer!
So they’re improving on the NMC style semi solid state batteries and making 💯 solid state?
@@MadfishFPVPossibly. Not sure on the details though.
What about m.2 batterys EVEN MORE!!@@garrettkensler451
I have a Microdrone which is 12 years old, I get 2hours with a 30ah solid state battery. I like your props!!!
I highly doubt it.
@user-rs8zg8ey2b doubt away 😁 th-cam.com/video/r1btA0RxFPM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=EyfSIXg5c6eXG7lL
But can it freestyle?
😝
🤣
I’m definitely going to try to freestyle the first model 😂👍🤝
there was a filament by form futura which was polypropylene with hollow glass microspheres which is 40% lighter than normal PLA but not foaming. that avoids oozing problems and you don't have to design minimal/zero travel parts for slicing in surface mode.
(but that filament isn't available anymore (i bought the last 4 rolls))
that m10 has issues with the old betaflight they fixed it in newer revisions , i had problems troubleshooting only to randomly find out it was a known and fixed issue , awesome work guys 👍👍
Wow... 😮
That's really impressive indeed, Mark!!! Are those bike wheels? They look huge! 😮
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Notice that the motors / props are in the pusher configuration... For all those debating pusher / puller for best efficiency.
For the prop it doesnt matter, air flows still the same way over it.
@@TheOneAndOnlySatan Its not the prop but the airflow leading into / out of it. Inverting the motors ensures that the flow from the props providing the lift isn't being blocked by parts of the Quads frame.
Furthermore, the motors use centrifugal force to pull air over the stator to self cool. Unfortunately for may Quads, this flow is opposite of the propellers. Inverting the motors, makes sure that the cooling flow is matching the propellers flow. Thus increasing efficiency a small amount, while also improving cooling. Granted for small Quads, ,the effect is negligible, but for a long range flights every little bit counts!
At that size and with rater limited dynamics, I wonder whether a classical single main rotor helicopter design would be the better choice when optimizing towards efficiency.
Or two large counter-rotating rotors. I recently saw a manned version similar to a mosquito, but no need for a tail rotor with the counter-rotating main rotors.
What an incredible little machine i love it, keep up the amazing work!
very interesting project 👍 hope they have success developing and building it further
It sounds so alien
so crazy great work
Yea, $6k is an absurd up front cost!
I flew a foam electric biplane that I built many years ago before lipo was even a thing. It used 2 liFe cells harvested from a brick cellphone way back. I flew it for 90 minutes. Everyone at the club had questions after. I had to hand the control off to my brother many times. We took turns the entire 90 minutes. I can say flying rc for that length of time is grueling. A Drone may be easier because you can just let it hover in place, but actually flying that long at the controls RC is definitely harder than flying in an airplane. Very cool project. I hope they are successful in their business.
Not a drone, but a 840mm foam wing called the Z84, a guy used 4s-7000 (4s2p 3500mah cells) and did a 100 mile flight (50 out, 50 back) in 4 hours.
Thanks for the video.
Are they direct-drive propellers, or are they gear-driven to reduce the motor's weight?
Tks
geared.
@uavtech thanks
feel like its gonna fall apart in some wind . . it floats . . but does it fly , , , with authority . . . very cool though
Now set up repeaters around the country so you can fly hundred miles or more. You then will get the attention no doubt.
Your life is about to change... you have people's attention.
Two hours of flight time is game changing.
We want to change everyone's life not just our own! We just live and breathe what we do!
What they won't tell you, is that they got 2h flight time on an empty quad, with no payload at all ;) With some of the payload things gonna change dramatically
@@WRXMSK 2 Hour payload flight vid coming soon ;)
Congratulations...
awesome concept, great that you're getting 20% more energy dense cells too! Does locating the heavy battery packs in the rotating hubs affect stability?
For payloads look at what Inspired Flight is doing.
This could fly photogramatry and lidar payloads that would be interesting. Mapping missions are often a couple hours long taking up to 4 battery changes. Every battery change interrupts the missions data flow.
5lbs is about the medium-high range for these payloads.
WOW as a professional helicopter FPV pilot and aircraft engineer im currently working on Single engine gas or electric and with collective pitch on all 4 props .Trying to build Ride able drone for the past years
Looks intriguing, could be good as a cinilifter. Great work 👏
This is super cool
can't wait to buy
Bloody well done guys. Get rid of that energy sapping kinetic noise and it will be a Boss.
Congratulations.
My first drones I built over 10 years ago... and Ardu was great back then.
Ardu was not great back then, it hovered like a butterfly. I still got my 650mm deadcat with apm2.5, and flew it a week ago. While it seemed great back then, there is so much better now.
Wow
Just a thought. How about the STL files and or a kit in a smaller version to fits on a PRUSA MK4S?
Like two batteries per motor, something like the fit on the average small 3D printer.
My suggestion to tell them is also maintain under 99wh batteries if you wanna get on airplanes.
I also wonder how they'd feel about trying a tilting bi motor set up. Ardupilot can surely handle it
Exciting flight, pilot really showed off his amazing piloting skills.....
hey now. Click POS Hold and relax. 😜
@@uavtech 😁😆😅🤣😂
Will the production version be 3D printed or injection moulded- and out of interest, if 3D printed, why so?
Noise pollution is going to be a big issue when drone delivery becomes normal.
There's actually and engineering solution for drone noise:
Moving the noise above human hearing
th-cam.com/users/shortsfNe6Yh2I9T8?si=rMQpO8z_Ru0rCjfj
Man, kids today... that is *NOT* a "full size" pickup bed. That looks like maybe a 4.5 footer. Little baby bed. That craft looks great to put up an impromptu sun in the night sky for like, a skate park or something. Stick a massive LED/array under it and just leave it hover in place.
what are the slots in the blades for?? 🤔
carbon rod
A wind sail kite!
that thing is stable
So if I want to use the Platform as a camera drone how fast can it go?
Mantap bro salam kenal 👍✌️
How much weight can it carry for 1 hour of flight?
It can carry about 2.5KG for an hour or more with current systems. Stay tuned for production specs!
can i hook up an 03 air unit plz!
You should be able to... would need more specs on the 03 air unit!
Blade the wires for better propellor efficiency
Can it power loop?
😃💥😪
Yes... Yes it can
wow 2h is a lot
I need one "liftpod" for cooling
Wow. I'm surprised that they didn't go with a higher voltage, though.
I dont think it would help alot, why, its low power application.
pizza 🍕 delivery pod please
Single motor four collective pitch props just like on a helicopter and you can stay up in the air forever
Too heavy and too much efficiency loss.
How would you YAW without RPM differential ?
brushed motors? why does it sound like that?
Low rpm big props
@@Krash_fpv I've flow plenty of heavy lifters with 15+ inch props. they sound nothing like this
it is 3D printed and geared down from motor output.
In sounds very inefficient,sounds like it’s wasting energy, but 2 hours flight time indicates the opposite, very inspiring, DJI is not doing this 👍
Right now are running internal gears which are noisy! Stay tuned for our solution we have some cool stuff cooking!
I was hoping to see it fly not just hover to get a sense of its capabilities.
I've managed to get 82 minutes flight time from tbs aureo built
Think best I every did was 46mins. But wasn't like trying to figure out most efficient throttle amount or speed. But even if I did I'd only gain max 10mins 15mins if there was some kind of a miracle.. that was a 8" haven't tested my 10" cause flying a circle at 35mph or 40mph for a hour is so mind numbing. I made a inav flight pattern but it wouldn't work.
A belt/pulleys would make it quieter.
😃😃😃😃😃😀😁😁cool
but can it freestyle? 😄
Like this th-cam.com/video/uHoFfpLSb2g/w-d-xo.html
Or, can it Taz? th-cam.com/video/VWkXR5B6Ajo/w-d-xo.html
Add a helium balloon for 10X ot 100X endurance
I have a question that has nothing to do with this video. Im tuning an aurdupilot vtol with front tilt motors. Im stuck on Q_A_RAT_PIT_FF . Is feedforward needed on pitch? I know its needed for yaw. I tuned that but im confused on pitch. Or do i just tune like a normal quad. Its a tilt vectoring vtol.
Let me guess. The weight of the craft is about 2 kilograms, 2,000 grams? I have a 250g craft that I know max out at 35 minutes. So, by scaling, 2 hours will be 8 times as heavy.
How does it fare in a crash.......continues to talk in circles vaguely and doesnt gove an answer other than replace tbe pod
We haven't done major crash tests only bumps and bruises... But on the other hand if your crashing a drone of this size its not going to be pretty no matter what haha.
Team with Anduril to make a surveillance version for border and Ukraine
$6,000.00 bucks?! How is that cheap?
A few years ago a guy took a foam Phoenix 2600mm motor glider, put in 4s10p (40AH) pack and it flew for 10h45m, (ArduPilot loiter in a circle) just goes to show how inefficient quads are. It would be nice to see it done on a proper plane/motor/prop/esc. th-cam.com/video/HGZC-cvYcb8/w-d-xo.html
Why use geared motors? Aren't you introducing inefficiency, complexity, weight, and more parts to break or wear out? Why not direct-drive BLDC motors? They can be custom-configured to your torque, speed, and power requirements with more efficiency, less weight, and fewer parts. Not to mention quieter!
I was thinking the same but a direct drive would need motors with a bigger diameter and they would probably end up heavier than the combination of smaller motors + gear. Question is though how significant this weight advantage is and if it's worth the extra complexity.
@@EinzigfreierName That's not how gearboxes work. They don't make the motor output more power, they just trade speed for torque. You ADD weight by using a gearbox. The only possible time when a gearbox is better is when an inrunner motor + gearbox efficiency is higher than an outrunner motor alone. That has not been the case for a while. Or if you can't find an outrunner configured the way your requirements demand. But, again, the market is flooded with almost every possible size/configuration of outrunners.
@@ernie5229 I know how gearboxes work. Of course they don't increase power but to drive a big propeller you need high torque and that is normally produced by relatively big (pan-shaped) outrunners which tend to be heavier than a smaller motor with the same power but high RPM. In theory a direct drive should always be more efficient if you look at the drive efficency alone. But if a smaller motor + gear box ends up being lighter, this could be an advantage. For me it's hard to believe this is worth the extra complexity but I guess these guys did there homework on this.
@@EinzigfreierName Or they didn't and would benefit from the correct motor as both you and I have pointed out!
The answer is not to do with the motor but rather with the propeller efficiency. Gearing allows you to swing a larger diameter propeller and the increased disk area results in decreased disk loading which is aerodynamically much more efficient. Same concept as ultra high bypass turbofans. Which also uses gears.
Fly that thing around the hood at night ! the UFO sighting call center would be jammed !
Design look very weak
This thing looks very over-engineered. 2h flight times are easily achievable with much simpler setups (and also way smaller in terms of prop diameter) For instance, I got more than 2h endurance using only a 450-sized quad, with 9" props.
I call BS, ha, link to video?
... Certainly going to pursue the military contract.... well, of course. Isn't that the American way?? I mean, they're gonna be used against the civilian population, but who cares? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!
to be fair. Drones used as military assets got a big push in Ukraine by civilians using against the Russian military, no?
@@uavtech Wow - did you delete my reply to this comment, or was it the Tube??
i did not. Let me look if Held for some reason.
nope, not Held. IDK. 🤷♂️
repost
@@uavtech They're friggin' censoring, in real-time, seemingly, anything that I say relating to the "skirmish in eastern europe", so to speak... Good grief. These are dangerous times, my friend. I don't think that I can repost - lol!
... as a 3 dolla bill.