Man I love your videos. I just went out with my h14 turbo 2nd time in last 2 weekends and I've learned not to panic in strong wind just lose the sail. But thanks to you im capsized it next weekend for the 1st time and learning to right it. Thank you for sharing knowledge 🙏
Thanks for letting me relive my 10+ years of racing a '14 in high school and college! Great times!!!! We didn't have traps and a loose footed main sail then.........
If you do a frame by frame around 7:02 it shows a top speed of 20.92 knts. Assuming the overlay is from the helmet cam so that's when Joe was overtaking the boat!
Thanks so much for this Joseph! The H14 will always be my favorite Hobie Cat. Its reputation as being pitchy is undeserved. In real heavy air I rake the mast all the way back and travel out to the corner casting. This makes for a super stable boat, even in big swells…
Being an old guy with past experience of F18 racing 20years ago, I recently sailed a HC16 for 1st time in my life, and found it really fun. Now considering a HC14 for sailing again, in solo. Your video is just too cool 😁💪👍✌
You need to develop a chart for the terminology... "basting the turkey, cooking the goose, giving it the beans, cutting the lawn, etc." Let's put some numbers on these things!
I miss sailing my Hobie 14'. When Hobie first developed this; I was the 1st Hobie in Malibu. I would sail it off Trancas Beach. The best times as a kid. The Hobie 16' took it to another level having the jib.
@friendlypiranha774 Good question. I don't anymore. 3 digits?? 179? Powder Blue hulls. White tops. It once got blown off Trancas Beach and found on San Nicholas Island by a Fishman. Towed back to Channel Island Harbor. We thought it was stolen. It was actually in great shape for having made such a solo journey. The Harbor Master contacted us; because of the registration numbers on the hull.
@friendlypiranha774 The Hobie 14' came along at the right time for me at my age. The "Malibu Outrigger" was a goofy looking sailboat, and there was a 25' heavy wooden Catamaran being sailed in Malibu that took at least 4 men to drag across the sand into the water. Hobie got it with no dagger boards and rudders that would pop up when hitting the beach. As a young teen, it was simple to rig and pull into the surf solo. It was hours of fun either solo or with a friend. My father eventually sold it once I stopped using it in High school.
Would have loved to be on a Hobie when I was in Maui. There's quite the surf on the one side of the island, Paia area. Are you in a more calm area on the island?
I was just experimenting today on tweaking the trim on both sails using the telltales to try to get more speed. I was hoping that I would be able to get less hull raising and more forward momentum by adjusting the shape of the sails. Didn't have much luck though, there was just too much wind to get the windward tales to fly back, instead they were flying up. Wind was 14 gusting to 21 kn, solo at 75kg.
Best quick improvement is to loosen the rig tension and crank the downhaul. When it's windy you can't get the windward telltales flying on the main solo.
James Conger on YT just released an incredible 30 minute video recapping the physics of how sails function using visual cfd models. Once you see how those force vectors translate through the airfoil it will make a lot more sense with what's going on. I've yet to find a better (not so) crash course on the physics and reasoning behind sail trim. Cat or monohull sail physics are the same, main only versus main and jib do change things but you'll get the gist.
@@otm646 thanks, will have a look at it. There is quite a bit of in depth teaching on sail trim on YT. I think the only factor limiting what you can do on a small catamaran is often there is too much power (you will end up capsizing if you don't depower) so tweaking the sails is unnecessary passed a point. I will be interested in seeing if James Conger demonstrates how sail trim and shape can provide more forward momentum. Thanks again. 👍
That's exactly how I capsized the 16 yesterday :D But there was big wind, so I could right the boat alone *yey* So the full send would be a broad reach basically, right?
Do you have anything in the old B class, ie 20' length, 10' beam and aprx 235 sq ft of sail, non-foiling cat? Also, why would you NOT want to install a mast float on a cat? Is it because they might cost a couple beans? Seems to me, that cost can't be as much as having to replace a bent mast, after inverting in chop and beating the mast head on the bottom. Lol pitchpole is why I don't like the Hobie 14. WAY 2 easy to stick the bows 😆 🤣 I even stay away from the 16s 😜. I never stuck the bows in on my old Prindle 18, though I got close a few times, usually when surfing the breakers on the east coast. To me, going from Hobie 16 to Prindle 18 was the bees knees / top of the line FUN and SO seaworthy, in comparison, especially in heavy seas. I live in Florida on the west coast. I could even take the Prindle over to the east coast and FLY in 4-6 foot seas 🤣 FUN! I miss that Prindle 😥
Hi Frank, yes, I have a Tornado which was originally B class. I was going to reply to your mast float question in the next Q+A but here is why not on some boats: On the catamarans that we use in strong winds frequently, we want the boats to invert if capsized for a period of time (we sail in very deep water) The reason is, if the boat is on it's side with a mast float, it will go much faster downwind that anyone cat swim so the risk of serious man overboard is significant. We have risk assessed this against the risk of entrapment and we feel that the frequency of potential MOB is so great that we don't fit floats to our performance boats. On the 14 here there is a float - that's because it capsizes such a lot and inverts quickly due to the shorter mast.
@@JoyriderTV ok 👌 great reasons, thanks Hope I didn't lose my 15mins of fame 😐, what, with my question going on the Q&A show lol 😃 And I thought you all had a Tornado or 2 lying around. Thats my vote for next speed test, something for me to shoot at on my Mystere. 😁 The first time I got caught under the main after a capsize, is when I learned how valuable a good DEEP inhale is on the way over. Was pretty scary, for sure. Had to concentrate "do not panic! Just swim down a bit and out". Trying to get the sail pushed up off the water was pretty impossible because of the vacuum created. Lol 😬 oops. It really got scary 😳 for a min., wasted time! Maybe a tip for a future 'tips' episode? Yours is my favorite TH-cam channel 🥰
I weighed the pros and cons of using an m/a float and have decided not to use one in spite of the lake I sail in is quite shallow for a long distance out before it surpasses 28 ' in depth. Only once have I gotten close to turtleing and as soon as I realized it was happening, I moved to the bow of the hull and prevented the mast from going down. I think it would take an effort to turtle a 16 with a sealed mast, maybe it is just my luck. Besides, I just don't need any more weight to pull up to right the boat.
WHICH BOAT WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO LOOK AT NEXT IN THIS SERIES?
I think it's pretty interesting.
Hobie Wave? Lots of delays getting the H 14 Millennium Falcon ready for sea trials.
Hobie dragoon
I know it’s not a catamaran but could you make a video with a Waszp hydrofoil boat?
Something with dagger boards. Be interesting to see how they effect speed on different reaches.
Hobie tiger top speed
Man I love your videos. I just went out with my h14 turbo 2nd time in last 2 weekends and I've learned not to panic in strong wind just lose the sail. But thanks to you im capsized it next weekend for the 1st time and learning to right it. Thank you for sharing knowledge 🙏
Nice work! I'm very glad to help and build your confidence.
@@JoyriderTV Guys, can you adapt a H14 to have the turbo features?
@@pedrodutra4088 I'll see what I can do but I don't have a jib at the moment.
...nice flight... Circus back in town...Yeehaa!!! Great Show Thanks!
For sure.
The circus in full swing.
Thanks for letting me relive my 10+ years of racing a '14 in high school and college! Great times!!!! We didn't have traps and a loose footed main sail then.........
Glad you enjoyed it - this mainsail was custom - standard Hobie 14 sails still have the foot in the boom.
If you do a frame by frame around 7:02 it shows a top speed of 20.92 knts. Assuming the overlay is from the helmet cam so that's when Joe was overtaking the boat!
Ha! Yes, that must have been why it stung a bit!
Informative and entertaining as always Joe! Love seeing the H14 out for a spin. It was my first cat, taught me what's possible on a Hobie. Thanks
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Thanks for the summary numbers at the end. Graphics on point.
Glad it was helpful!
I thought this was very interesting
Thanks for sending it Joe!
Thanks for receiving it!
Thanks so much for this Joseph! The H14 will always be my favorite Hobie Cat. Its reputation as being pitchy is undeserved. In real heavy air I rake the mast all the way back and travel out to the corner casting. This makes for a super stable boat, even in big swells…
Yes! So much fun. I find it so very weight responsive, almost like windsurfing with a rudder!
Magnificent sailing. Thanks for the great vid !!
Glad you enjoyed it
Being an old guy with past experience of F18 racing 20years ago, I recently sailed a HC16 for 1st time in my life, and found it really fun. Now considering a HC14 for sailing again, in solo. Your video is just too cool 😁💪👍✌
Welcome back aboard!
Amazing speed joe! 10points for the figure diving. Thanks for a great time in vasiliki
That's a generous score, but i'll take it!!!
You need to develop a chart for the terminology... "basting the turkey, cooking the goose, giving it the beans, cutting the lawn, etc." Let's put some numbers on these things!
I agree! 😂
Ha, yes great idea. Some kind of glossary of terms
It's on it's way!!!
@@JoyriderTV good stuff. I can learn some Ausie on this channel even 😃🤣🤣
Don't forget "going down the mineshaft" and "the circus is in town" lol!
Great video, I have a 14Turbo, a very old one but what a fun solo Hobie it is :)
Couldn't agree more!
I miss sailing my Hobie 14'.
When Hobie first developed this; I was the 1st Hobie in Malibu. I would sail it off Trancas Beach. The best times as a kid.
The Hobie 16' took it to another level having the jib.
Wow! That must have been so cool. You are a real pioneer of what became a way of life for so many!
@dennispatrick4999 - do you remember what your Hobie 14 sail number was?
@friendlypiranha774 Good question. I don't anymore. 3 digits?? 179?
Powder Blue hulls. White tops.
It once got blown off Trancas Beach and found on San Nicholas Island by a Fishman. Towed back to Channel Island Harbor. We thought it was stolen. It was actually in great shape for having made such a solo journey. The Harbor Master contacted us; because of the registration numbers on the hull.
@@dennispatrick4999 Thank you. You were a real Hobie Pioneer.
Hectic what happened to your Hobie. I'm sure you miss it.
@friendlypiranha774 The Hobie 14' came along at the right time for me at my age. The "Malibu Outrigger" was a goofy looking sailboat, and there was a 25' heavy wooden Catamaran being sailed in Malibu that took at least 4 men to drag across the sand into the water.
Hobie got it with no dagger boards and rudders that would pop up when hitting the beach. As a young teen, it was simple to rig and pull into the surf solo.
It was hours of fun either solo or with a friend.
My father eventually sold it once I stopped using it in High school.
Remind me of my first time on a Hobie. Tumbled it with 2 mates in front of a sailing club!
Always best to stack it when there's a good audience!
We need one of these for the 16!!
Yes!!!
Great sailing.
Great fun!
What he’s not telling you is just how hard it is in those winds! That’s one skilled helmsman I reckon.
Skilled indeed, I would have spent MUCH more time pitchpoling than he did, for sure. 🤣
Thanks.
Just cashing in on years of pitchpoles!!!
Thanks!!!
I like the show! I am restoring a 14 here in Maui! It's coming #honeycat2 ! love seeing it!
Would have loved to be on a Hobie when I was in Maui. There's quite the surf on the one side of the island, Paia area. Are you in a more calm area on the island?
@@stevenvachon9745 I sail the other side of the island : maalaea bay ,
Oh yes! Honeycat 2 - if you can get the same colour sails that would be amazing!!!
Hey man love the videos, totally unrelated question can my 83’ hobie 16 sink? Heard they have foam in the hulls. Thanks!
It will have foam in the hulls so it should always float at least a bit!
I was just experimenting today on tweaking the trim on both sails using the telltales to try to get more speed. I was hoping that I would be able to get less hull raising and more forward momentum by adjusting the shape of the sails. Didn't have much luck though, there was just too much wind to get the windward tales to fly back, instead they were flying up. Wind was 14 gusting to 21 kn, solo at 75kg.
Best quick improvement is to loosen the rig tension and crank the downhaul.
When it's windy you can't get the windward telltales flying on the main solo.
James Conger on YT just released an incredible 30 minute video recapping the physics of how sails function using visual cfd models.
Once you see how those force vectors translate through the airfoil it will make a lot more sense with what's going on. I've yet to find a better (not so) crash course on the physics and reasoning behind sail trim.
Cat or monohull sail physics are the same, main only versus main and jib do change things but you'll get the gist.
@@otm646 thanks, will have a look at it. There is quite a bit of in depth teaching on sail trim on YT. I think the only factor limiting what you can do on a small catamaran is often there is too much power (you will end up capsizing if you don't depower) so tweaking the sails is unnecessary passed a point. I will be interested in seeing if James Conger demonstrates how sail trim and shape can provide more forward momentum. Thanks again. 👍
Awesome 👏
Thanks
Outstanding! How long till you start breaking H14 rudder blades? ha ha. Very nice run.
I'm feeling pretty safe as there's so much less load compared to the 16.
Touch wood!
Cuttin the primo grass Hombre!
Oh yeah, riding the mower!!!⛳️
That's exactly how I capsized the 16 yesterday :D But there was big wind, so I could right the boat alone *yey*
So the full send would be a broad reach basically, right?
yes, start of on a beam and then dial it down ideally keeping the hull out of the water
You do not even have to watch, you only have to listen to the whistle of the boat and you know that that is fun.
You've got to love the rudder hum!!!
have you had any issues with the loose-footed sail?
No, it's been working well, just an issue with mast over rotating but that's due to the mast base being worn
I prefer average speed rather than top speed... thanks for the video
I thought this was very interesting
Do you have anything in the old B class, ie 20' length, 10' beam and aprx 235 sq ft of sail, non-foiling cat?
Also, why would you NOT want to install a mast float on a cat? Is it because they might cost a couple beans? Seems to me, that cost can't be as much as having to replace a bent mast, after inverting in chop and beating the mast head on the bottom.
Lol pitchpole is why I don't like the Hobie 14. WAY 2 easy to stick the bows 😆 🤣 I even stay away from the 16s 😜. I never stuck the bows in on my old Prindle 18, though I got close a few times, usually when surfing the breakers on the east coast. To me, going from Hobie 16 to Prindle 18 was the bees knees / top of the line FUN and SO seaworthy, in comparison, especially in heavy seas.
I live in Florida on the west coast. I could even take the Prindle over to the east coast and FLY in 4-6 foot seas 🤣 FUN! I miss that Prindle 😥
Hi Frank,
yes, I have a Tornado which was originally B class.
I was going to reply to your mast float question in the next Q+A but here is why not on some boats:
On the catamarans that we use in strong winds frequently, we want the boats to invert if capsized for a period of time (we sail in very deep water)
The reason is, if the boat is on it's side with a mast float, it will go much faster downwind that anyone cat swim so the risk of serious man overboard is significant.
We have risk assessed this against the risk of entrapment and we feel that the frequency of potential MOB is so great that we don't fit floats to our performance boats.
On the 14 here there is a float - that's because it capsizes such a lot and inverts quickly due to the shorter mast.
@@JoyriderTV Thanks for explaining the factors used in determining whether or not to install a mast float.
@@JoyriderTV ok 👌 great reasons, thanks
Hope I didn't lose my 15mins of fame 😐, what, with my question going on the Q&A show lol 😃
And I thought you all had a Tornado or 2 lying around. Thats my vote for next speed test, something for me to shoot at on my Mystere. 😁
The first time I got caught under the main after a capsize, is when I learned how valuable a good DEEP inhale is on the way over. Was pretty scary, for sure. Had to concentrate "do not panic! Just swim down a bit and out". Trying to get the sail pushed up off the water was pretty impossible because of the vacuum created. Lol 😬 oops. It really got scary 😳 for a min., wasted time! Maybe a tip for a future 'tips' episode?
Yours is my favorite TH-cam channel 🥰
I weighed the pros and cons of using an m/a float and have decided not to use one in spite of the lake I sail in is quite shallow for a long distance out before it surpasses 28 ' in depth. Only once have I gotten close to turtleing and as soon as I realized it was happening, I moved to the bow of the hull and prevented the mast from going down. I think it would take an effort to turtle a 16 with a sealed mast, maybe it is just my luck. Besides, I just don't need any more weight to pull up to right the boat.
Amazing !
Thanks!!
what if your winds are only around 10-15, is it enough?
It's certainly enough to fly a hull and get on the trapeze. Very nice wind strength
To scary ... I'm sticking to a pedalo.
I'm thinking that i might too!
I think jib on H14 would have slowed you down.
Maybe a shade more juice on the full send but otherwise I agree
You inspire so many and show what is possible! Keep the high side dry!