My dad MSgt MGJenkins, Jenks, was the first Flight Engineer on the first C-5A; it landed at Charleston AFB and let me film the first touch and go and then the first FS landing. It was amazing that that C5A dropped 7 wheels and parts on that initial approach at CAFB but with a safe landing, also. All the onlookers at the end of the runway scattered as wheels and parts flew everywhere.Thanks, Dad,1923-1982.I went on to launch SR-71s from Beale and Kadena, and am now a Commercial Instructor, Ret.
Greatest air lifter to ever take to the skies. I worked for Lockheed in the late 80's.... at L-10 in Marietta GA... i worked on almost every single B model ... and rewinged every A model.... those were the good ole days.... :)
As a crew chief specialist, gears are my thing. So I'll tell you this. It was the NLG steering cables that broke. It was safe to land, the gear wasn't about to collapse. They just wouldn't be able to steer once they touched down, and would have had to been towed anyway.
I was stationed at Rhein-Main AB, Frankfurt, Germany from 1985-87 and in the summer of 86' witnessed a C-5A Galaxy land without it's front landing gear. Prior to landing the plane had circled the base for 2 hours to burn off remaining fuel. Half of the runway was sprayed with 6+ feet deep, with fire retardant foam, but when the nose came down it had over shot the foam. The plane came to a full stop on the runway without incident.
Thanks for 'Old Home Week" C-141 A ISO maintenance (docks) and ground safety NCO 602 OMS Travis AFB, 1964-66, 602 MASS Enroute Maintenance (C-141/ C-130) Elmendorf AFB, 1967-69, C-5A Flight Engineer 3rd MAS Dover 1975 - 77, OMS C.C. Flight Chief C-5A Dover AFB 78-79, Chief Inspector C-141 (ISO Dock) McGuire AFB 79-80 with added ACE NCIOC Duty. Loved it. Especially chasing those lights in the cargo bay for the landing gear sequence panel. HEY-HEY-HEY FAT ALBERT is down.
Wow. That's a sound I can never forget. Nothing sounds like "FRED". I couldn't make out any of the organization markings. It would be fun to know it it was one of my babies from Travis.
When I worked C-5s, in the mid '80s, they all had fiber-optic scopes that pointed to the nose gear locking mechanism. You just had to kneel down by the bottom of the flight deck ladder, and you could see if the nose gears was locked or not. Did they remove those scopes since then, or did the flight crew not think of using it?
That reminds me of when the first inertial nav systems were being added to AF aircraft in the late '70s. One of the jokes going around the flightline was "What's the definition of a nonessential bus? A busload of navigators". The navs didn't seem to think it was particularly funny for some reason. Maybe they'd heard it before. :)
No matter how many times I see a C5, I'm always in awe at it's size and wingspan. I miss the days we would load up our CH-53Ds into them at K-Bay and deploy out to 29 Palms!
When I flew Air Evac at Scott AFB around 1986, a United DC-10 diverted from Lambert Field, St. Louis, for an inflight emergency with a left gear unsafe. When he landed, the left gear collapsed and tore up about 4000 feet of the runway, but everyone on board was safe. We got a week off from flying while they repaired the runway.
Completely awesome! An incredible plane! A super-heavy military aircraft. A f**king scary transport, that has hardly ever let us down. And we have America's best men and women looking after it. If that doesn't raise goosebumps on your arms, you aren't even close to being alive...
That was the steering cable that broke. The gear probably didn't show being centered. They can only check that the gear is down and locked from inside through a boroscope. You cannot check that the gear is centered from inside.
Those fly over to hilo on the big island( Hawaii island) and fly over my house. they're like cruise ships on the sky. Massive looking planes that made ALOHA's 737-200 look like it was a smart car up next to a limo.
I made sure I arrived early at My first day at work at Lockheed Ga. in 84 as a machinist on the C-5B program, and watched in the parking lot as a C-5A made at least 8 passes over Dobbins AFB with the nose gear stuck unable to extend. It was obvious that the AC was in distress, and I cussed myself for not having my camera gear with me. She left for a while and I was on the way inside the plant when I saw her on approach with the gear down and locked. I have parts on all 50 B models.
The crew wouldn't go underneath the jet if they doubted it was safe...they are highly trained experts on the jet. They talk to the pilots first to determine the severity of the malfunction then make the determination of whether or not it is safe to go underneath and pin the landing gear. They have to pin the landing gear so that it is safe to tow it back to a hangar - it is standard procedure.
Wow, look at all the BIG little bitty fire trucks compared to the C-5 Galaxy!!! By the way, anyone says the C-5 Galaxy looks like a C-17 has never been close to the C-5 Galaxy. It's an awesome plane!!! Hard to believe something that big can get off the ground!!
so, what DOES that little cable go to anyways? the switch that turns off the "gear not locked" light, or is it something more serious? Please note that I have no knowledge of the landing gear of a C-5, but I do understand the basics of how landing gear in general are supposed to work.
And that is what really can make a difference. A maintainer with pride for the job will make the most money for production. It would be a very short list of things to make me wanna give up my C-17.
They're the military...they'll have the gear pins in. Same with civilian operators...the gear pins will be in when there is work on it to prevent the gears from collapsing.
@GoldenShellback1 I agree IFE's happen all the time, but I'd say not common for unsafe gear. I've only recovered one in 4 years of working C-17s. Met it on the hammerhead at manas, and the load couldn't even find the holes to put the pins in herself. Guess they need pictures in them flight manuals. And yes I do like cookies.
My son who is in the Air Force and flew as flight engineer on the C-5A among others and on one of the flights noticed prior to take off that there was a major problem with the nose wheel as I remember it. The wheel technology was top secret for several years I believe. This plane could haul 48 Humvees at one time. He is instructor for AWAC trainees at the present.
' american C-5 super galaxy is a so beautifully big airplane... american space shuttle can put on the top of C-5M super galaxy... jumbo 747 and C-5 are so big coool airplanes
Just because it didnt collapse does not mean that there was no problem , an taxiing would be a risk because when it turns the weight on the wheel could change causing it to collapse
sucks that aloha is only cargo flights now!! tht airline was goooooddd, they had one flight where you could take the top of the plane and enjoy the light brise while the cockpit bend down around 4inches to make your view better hahah flight 243
uh.... if this really took place in 2000 something why are the airport vehicles from the 80s early 90s... and that 737 with the older engines... pretty certain by 2000 no one even aloha airlines had been upgraded. definitely all vehicles would have been...
+Perf Tulsa that's not entirely true... and this is TH-cam. home of the not so original op lol I'm just pointing something out that sends off that's all..
Well if by performance you mean that testing showed them breaking at a 125% wing load, wing cracks, and having to drop the payload from over 250k to 50k. Google the Hmod.
My dad MSgt MGJenkins, Jenks, was the first Flight Engineer on the first C-5A; it landed at Charleston AFB and let me film the first touch and go and then the first FS landing. It was amazing that that C5A dropped 7 wheels and parts on that initial approach at CAFB but with a safe landing, also. All the onlookers at the end of the runway scattered as wheels and parts flew everywhere.Thanks, Dad,1923-1982.I went on to launch SR-71s from Beale and Kadena, and am now a Commercial Instructor, Ret.
Greatest air lifter to ever take to the skies.
I worked for Lockheed in the late 80's.... at L-10 in Marietta GA... i worked on almost every single B model ... and rewinged every A model.... those were the good ole days.... :)
With a degree in Aero Engineering, it still amazes me that 400 tons of steel, plastic and aluminum just gets up and flies away. Truly amazing!
An impressive airplane! I am amazed everytime I see a C-5 flying as they look so slow that they might stall and fall out of the sky!
As a crew chief specialist, gears are my thing. So I'll tell you this. It was the NLG steering cables that broke. It was safe to land, the gear wasn't about to collapse. They just wouldn't be able to steer once they touched down, and would have had to been towed anyway.
I was stationed at Rhein-Main AB, Frankfurt, Germany from 1985-87 and in the summer of 86' witnessed a C-5A Galaxy land without it's front landing gear. Prior to landing the plane had circled the base for 2 hours to burn off remaining fuel. Half of the runway was sprayed with 6+ feet deep, with fire retardant foam, but when the nose came down it had over shot the foam. The plane came to a full stop on the runway without incident.
Damn. I love the C-5's! Awesome aircraft that I never get tired of watching.
Thanks for 'Old Home Week" C-141 A ISO maintenance (docks) and ground safety NCO 602 OMS Travis AFB, 1964-66, 602 MASS Enroute Maintenance (C-141/ C-130) Elmendorf AFB, 1967-69, C-5A Flight Engineer 3rd MAS Dover 1975 - 77, OMS C.C. Flight Chief C-5A Dover AFB 78-79, Chief Inspector C-141 (ISO Dock) McGuire AFB 79-80 with added ACE NCIOC Duty. Loved it. Especially chasing those lights in the cargo bay for the landing gear sequence panel. HEY-HEY-HEY FAT ALBERT is down.
Damn true fine pilot, really! First ground-touch at silk-contact level... Bravo! Bravissimo!!
Wow. That's a sound I can never forget. Nothing sounds like "FRED". I couldn't make out any of the organization markings. It would be fun to know it it was one of my babies from Travis.
Julie AV yes it’s an old yellow and black Travis logo
When I worked C-5s, in the mid '80s, they all had fiber-optic scopes that pointed to the nose gear locking mechanism. You just had to kneel down by the bottom of the flight deck ladder, and you could see if the nose gears was locked or not. Did they remove those scopes since then, or did the flight crew not think of using it?
That reminds me of when the first inertial nav systems were being added to AF aircraft in the late '70s. One of the jokes going around the flightline was "What's the definition of a nonessential bus? A busload of navigators". The navs didn't seem to think it was particularly funny for some reason. Maybe they'd heard it before. :)
You might be wondering the same thing if you didn't know how a landing gear works. I appreciate the information.
Reading the video descriptions saves time.
No matter how many times I see a C5, I'm always in awe at it's size and wingspan. I miss the days we would load up our CH-53Ds into them at K-Bay and deploy out to 29 Palms!
When I flew Air Evac at Scott AFB around 1986, a United DC-10 diverted from Lambert Field, St. Louis, for an inflight emergency with a left gear unsafe. When he landed, the left gear collapsed and tore up about 4000 feet of the runway, but everyone on board was safe. We got a week off from flying while they repaired the runway.
"... Gotta wait another 20 minutes for the turn to come back here..." That sounds about right for FRED.
S-5 Viking is a naval ASW, EW, and command aircraft based on carriers
Completely awesome! An incredible plane! A super-heavy military aircraft. A f**king scary transport, that has hardly ever let us down. And we have America's best men and women looking after it. If that doesn't raise goosebumps on your arms, you aren't even close to being alive...
"There's a 737 taxing next to us. Whats up with that?"
"I think we took a wrong turn somewhere"
Very reassuring safety procedures there!! :-0
That was the steering cable that broke. The gear probably didn't show being centered. They can only check that the gear is down and locked from inside through a boroscope. You cannot check that the gear is centered from inside.
Those fly over to hilo on the big island( Hawaii island) and fly over my house. they're like cruise ships on the sky. Massive looking planes that made ALOHA's 737-200 look like it was a smart car up next to a limo.
I made sure I arrived early at My first day at work at Lockheed Ga. in 84 as a machinist on the C-5B program, and watched in the parking lot as a C-5A made at least 8 passes over Dobbins AFB with the nose gear stuck unable to extend. It was obvious that the AC was in distress, and I cussed myself for not having my camera gear with me. She left for a while and I was on the way inside the plant when I saw her on approach with the gear down and locked. I have parts on all 50 B models.
The C141 you refer to at Charleston was aircraft 144 I was stationed at Charleston when that happened.
@GoldenShellback1 Ok, so the key word there is "yet". And that is why there are emergencies for unknown unsafe situations.
The crew wouldn't go underneath the jet if they doubted it was safe...they are highly trained experts on the jet. They talk to the pilots first to determine the severity of the malfunction then make the determination of whether or not it is safe to go underneath and pin the landing gear. They have to pin the landing gear so that it is safe to tow it back to a hangar - it is standard procedure.
Put Star Wars music at the beginning
god those planes are fucking huge
After landing, and the ground crew are out, why is it still so noisy? Are the engines still on, is that the APU, or is it another plane nearby?
APU to keep hydraulic pressure for the tow in case there is Tow Bar seperation and the brakes are needed to stop the aircraft
Daniel Lopez Ah, okay. Thank you.
No, what you are hearing is Americans panicking and thinking its some kind of terror attack.
Bob Mc nab
Too soon.
APU running to supply power for lights, communication, hydraulics (brakes) and air conditioning.
Wow, look at all the BIG little bitty fire trucks compared to the C-5 Galaxy!!! By the way, anyone says the C-5 Galaxy looks like a C-17 has never been close to the C-5 Galaxy. It's an awesome plane!!! Hard to believe something that big can get off the ground!!
so, what DOES that little cable go to anyways? the switch that turns off the "gear not locked" light, or is it something more serious? Please note that I have no knowledge of the landing gear of a C-5, but I do understand the basics of how landing gear in general are supposed to work.
good observations mate !!
And that is what really can make a difference. A maintainer with pride for the job will make the most money for production. It would be a very short list of things to make me wanna give up my C-17.
Because the C5 cut its engines, ( The APU is Running ) they chose to tow it back, since with would cost more to restart the engines than towing.
It has the strength to tow this 50,000(+) C5! That's the power of the mighty tow truck!
Check out the wing flex as its coming in. @ 4:00 you can see the wings lose their lift as the plane "stops flying" Very cool!
@sgthot The Red Flag means the gear is pinned. The pin means the gear is down and locked - fyi. I was a crew chief on these for a number years.
What's the difference between a C-5 and a C-5 loadmaster? The C-5 stops whining when the engines are turned off.
Is that the friggin APU running while its being towed? Thats some loud equipment!
Any idea what caused the broken cable? Wear & tear?
They're the military...they'll have the gear pins in. Same with civilian operators...the gear pins will be in when there is work on it to prevent the gears from collapsing.
I'm sure I'll want those 9 minutes back some day.
Did they leave one of the engines at idle or was all that noise from the APU?
@GoldenShellback1 I agree IFE's happen all the time, but I'd say not common for unsafe gear. I've only recovered one in 4 years of working C-17s. Met it on the hammerhead at manas, and the load couldn't even find the holes to put the pins in herself. Guess they need pictures in them flight manuals. And yes I do like cookies.
Is the C5 the largest aircraft in our military? Grateful for a safe landing!
what a monster of an aircraft.
How many wheels?
In India one of these birds landed at 13000 ft msl. The vehicles are spotters or follow me in jointly operated airports.
Didn't say they were, but I've done two engine running pushbacks of fat freddy, and dozens of 17's without "the engines pushing the tow truck."
I just miss the OG Galaxy Noise 😿
Doesn't the crew have at least visual access to the nose wheel bay? They could visually confirm the gear was down and locked.
Where's the Toyota pu to pull it in?
that tractor is pure muscle
Havent seen a 200 series in a while
I can't even tell you how many unsafe gear indications I've had in the C-5!
Its the Nose gear steering wire. It is no Nose Landing Gear Indication. It shows wheel centered on pilots nose gear steering handle
That guy in red @ 6:45 thas says "crank it up!" does his shirt say triple aaa?
why are the engines still running while its being towed? Great video also thanks.
It's the auxiliary power unit (APU). Engines were shut down
"Objects in mirror are closer than they appear." Yeah, most of us don't see that in our side mirrors on a daily basis.
Isn't that an S-3 Viking?
My son who is in the Air Force and flew as flight engineer on the C-5A among others and on one of the flights noticed prior to take off that there was a major problem with the nose wheel as I remember it.
The wheel technology was top secret for several years I believe.
This plane could haul 48 Humvees at one time.
He is instructor for AWAC trainees at the present.
What do you mean with that?
That's one funny looking C-17. So funny, it looks identical to a C-5.
Yes you can tow engines running.
DAMN! I didn't know they had a tractor and tow bar that could pull a C-5!
is that big ?
pas compris le problème ?
It's all good. Your nose gear is down. Why all the fuss?
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american C-5 super galaxy is a so beautifully big airplane...
american space shuttle can put on the top of C-5M super galaxy...
jumbo 747 and C-5 are so big coool airplanes
thats a huge beast...
The Control Tower then can just look at the aircraft and confirm it is/isn't locked...
the one thing i would saying to myself is 'PLEASE DONT COLLAPSE NOW!'
That is an impressive bird.
They were probably just refitting them, or the newer wings had better performance.
Wow cool video!!
@GoldenShellback1 It is always funny and I chuckle to myself when know it all engineers come out onto the flightline.
Just because it didnt collapse does not mean that there was no problem , an taxiing would be a risk because when it turns the weight on the wheel could change causing it to collapse
sucks that aloha is only cargo flights now!! tht airline was goooooddd, they had one flight where you could take the top of the plane and enjoy the light brise while the cockpit bend down around 4inches to make your view better hahah flight 243
They have electrical indicators for that
Chevy Lumina. Always Vigilant...
This is a C-5 (GALLAXY) aircraft, but not a C-17 Cargo aircraft. Thanks!
Wow @ 1:33, I miss those Aloha Airlines....especially the old classic -200's
That tower has a lot of horsepower to be able to tow the c-5
were is unsafe nose landing gear
Is this the biggest plane in the world?
Glad to see they have 500 year old equipment to help the situation, My fire chief alone had a car worth that plane ahaha
You know it's a big plane when it's got like 16 wheels and 4 jets on it, I mean like holy s***
this reminds me of the big Antonov, not the 225 but the 224
Holy shit! It's HUGE!
uh.... if this really took place in 2000 something why are the airport vehicles from the 80s early 90s... and that 737 with the older engines... pretty certain by 2000 no one even aloha airlines had been upgraded. definitely all vehicles would have been...
+Perf Tulsa that's not entirely true... and this is TH-cam. home of the not so original op lol I'm just pointing something out that sends off that's all..
+Jeffery Antioquia seems* off
+Jeffery Antioquia bvccg
Idk, most of our ground support equipment is at least 25 years old
I won't argue with you...
Nose landing gear is broken, so what do we do? I know, let's all stand under the nose right next to the broken landing gear.
You sure it's not a Cessna 152?
Well if by performance you mean that testing showed them breaking at a 125% wing load, wing cracks, and having to drop the payload from over 250k to 50k. Google the Hmod.
That red flag is to the down lock pin and it cannot be installed in flight. That was installed on the ground.
look at an object in the 2:08 minute passes from left to right
+Billy Turner I Saw that, most probably a Bird!
It's called a "Bug"
Imagine if the landing gear collapsed while the plan was on the ground and above those guys! Jeeezzzz
Jeez he kinda slammed it down on faulty nose gear...you would think he would had eased the nose onto the ground?
maybe they where hoping the plane would fall on top of them to prove there was in fact a fault with front gear.
wow i didnt know that cable was part of diamond head..