"Bought thousands of rounds of ammunition...purchasing behavior that is common among mass shooters and firearm traffickers" Or ya know, people that buy ammo in bulk to save money and/or because they go shooting a lot and go through thousands of rounds a year. Heck 22LR is commonly sold 5000 rounds at a time. Using the basic understand of firearms and math that anti-gunners don't seem to posses: Assuming you go through 3 mags of 556 every time you go to the range, then that's only 11 range trips to go through roughly 1000 rounds. So that's only 3 months worth of ammo if you go every week, which means you would need to order 4000 rounds to have just a 1 year supply. "Thousand" is not a big number when it comes to ammunition.
By their logic. Water should be a heavily regulated commodity as all serial killers, terrorists, mass shooters, gang members, and similar other deplorables and criminals use it as a nutritive supplement. Seriously, though. This isn't about "sAfEtY" or "pRoTeCtInG tHe cHiLdReN". Its about control. Americans. If they pass this. Don't listen to them. Just keep buying and preparing. And if they keep coming. Reload.
Every single act that you see now is a step closer to the social credit system. This isn't even really about guns in the grand scheme of things, but it will serve as a starting point for future restrictions
@@The_To101 it’s not that they’re dumb, it’s that they’re in control, they wouldn’t like it if it were against them, but it’s not. So they push for any way to “hurt the other side”
@@jacobfarnsley8017 Yeah I agree, and one thing I noticed is they target the idiots because they know they will vote for them if you give them what they want like temporary money…
Despite the fact that this would be a huge invasion of privacy and targeted discrimination and likely illegal in the US. Perhaps any company selling firearms and ammo should proactively counter anything like this by implementing discreet invoicing, so purchases are effectively private and no longer obvious to banks! Or better yet, maybe we should go back to the days of cash, after all "cash is king".
We already have major companies openly violating the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and banks that are closing people's accounts, canceling their credit cards, and refusing to lend to them based on their politics, which violates a bunch of laws in itself. But no one is willing to take them on or fight them. No one who has the power and resources to do so, anyway.
It is disheartening how many Americans would willingly trade privacy for placebo-effect safety, without thinking beyond even the immediate consequences. We have become soft.
"YoU dOnT nEeD tO sPeNd $10k On A rIfLe To HuNt dEeR." You're right, but you also don't need a $100k car to commute to work. It's our money. We have the right to buy what we want to accomplish the task we are trying to complete.
Correct. I spend $600 on a deer rifle because I want something ugly to fire one or two rounds a day. I would spent $10,000 to buy an anti-AFT rifle because thats when every shot really matters.
@@ram89572 well hello my ignorant friend! You should take that "you name brand guys" bs somewhere else. I think you missed the point I was making. I don't spend that much on hunting rifles, but if I did, it's nobody's business, including, you, or the banks.
But yet I get audited this year and have to prove I have 4 children. Then they dig and find a defaulted auto loan was charged off that I didn't report 2 years ago as income. And now have to pay $1500. Things are going to go sideways really damn quick in that department alone. Then add this invasion of privacy is inline with that bs that Pelosi tried to implement about $600 charges being flagged.
Same logic as when the EPA was going after farmers that had ponds while the Utah data center was using three million gallons of water a day to cool it's mainframes.
My last small purchase of firearms parts, and my last donation to a 2A group were both initially rejected by the credit card company as potentially fraudulent. I called and explained that the charges were indeed mine and in line with my normal habits, and they allowed the transactions. But I did find it odd that those were the flagged transactions. I wonder if some companies already are using extra scrutiny?
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I think you missed a big part of this. If this were to happen, it's another way of creating a gun registration. If this system was created then it would be another way for them to just hit up these credit card companies and ask for everyone who's made purchases in this new category. Appreciate all you do for the 2A brother 🇺🇸
i sold firearms for 2 years for a sporting store, i couldn’t tell you how many times i would see a gun get bought with Cash, Pre Paid Visa, In Store Credit/Gift Cards. This won’t fix shit; i wonder how’d they feel if their credit card pinged on their hobby? They’d be screaming it’s a violation of privacy.
It's extremely concerning that there are people who get to vote that are so desperate to throw away everyone's privacy and so short sighted that they can't imagine how "enlist private companies to monitor/flag X" might be a god awful idea. It's not even a gun issue. It's just an obscenely foolish idea.
Law of unintended consequences: 90% of gun and ammo purchases would suddenly be done with cash, making it even harder track. Good job, anti-gunners! I think the entire anti-gun lobby shares one neuron among all of them.
Imagine how, on top of applying for an FFL, and potentially a CCW, you then must get in contact with a gun store to get necessary information on the gun you want, and then walk into your bank to have a sit-down and present that information to apply for a purchaser's permit so they don't completely lock down all accounts you have with them when attempting the purchase. The insanity of it all.
We also know for a fact that, the FBI agents who concocted the whole “kidnapping” plot here in Michigan, continuously tried to give one of the men they were trying to entrap, “several $5000 credit cards and told him to buy guns and ammo” BTW, did we ever figure out where the Uvalde shooter got the money to buy everything he used🤔
I guarantee they already do this. A couple months ago I was looking for a specific firearm. It wasn't necessarily rare but it's pretty difficult to find one at any local shops. That being the case I decided to try online and have it shipped to an FFL. First I tried Atlantic firearms. Side note... Atlantic has garbage customer service. The charge would not go through. I had plenty of money to cover the purchase and this is from a debit account. Tried to get in touch with Atlantic but being the garbage customer service they are decided to try a different shop. I found a gun store in Kentucky that ships that had the firearm in stock. Go to complete the purchase, says the bank declined due to a mismatch in address. Checked and tried a second time. Same thing. Everything was correct and was verified to be correct by the gun store but the charge still would not go through. Finally I find one close enough to drive to. About 2 hours. I go and attempted to make the purchase in person. Still declined. I know the card and account are working because I put a hold on the gun and I went to the bank to pull out cash and on the way I stopped for gas. Finally pulled out cash and went back and paid for the firearm. That's 3 times that financial institution had denied a purchase despite everything being correct and having plenty of funds. It took going and pulling out cash to make the purchase.
While I certainly don't disagree that the banks are snooping into everything we buy, especially firearms... It could be the amount of the purchase as well. Most debit cards have a default spending limit of $1,000 per day. If you were trying to make a purchase near or above that amount, especially online, it's possible the fraud algorithm flagged it. Next time you want to make a large purchase online or in-person, contact your bank and let them know ahead of time. You don't need to give them details, just simply ask to increase your limit for the next day because you are planning to make a large purchase. This will hopefully avoid the issue in the future.
Sounds illegal and a violation of privacy. Also this is discrimination from stopping someone to buy a certain items while other people can buy different items with no restrictions
There's no law against it. Businesses are free to discriminate on any basis other than those banned by anti-discrimination law (e.g. race, religion, national origin). The law won't save us unless Republicans pass new law.
@@PrezVeto anti 2A laws are discriminatory towards me due to my national origin. My religion encourages everyone to posses and carry as well. If they go through with it, there will be lawsuits.
@@projectvegan1077 Tyrannical, perhaps. Unconstitutional? I think rather Anti-Constitutional. Although backed by the government, these slags aren't themselves the government.
Oh, shoot, you're right. But what about arsonists? Better track all sales of gasoline, lighters, and matches. What about people who buy fertilizer? They might be wanting to blow up a building.
Stuff like this has been going on for a while. When my family started a gun store a few years ago, we had a heck of a time finding a bank that would do business with us. And the thing is, I could get around the large purchase flags by purchasing parts and putting it together myself.
@Censored VPN. Electrical tape over the webcam. Disable microphone driver. If you really want to go under the radar, you'll need a burner card, or something, but i'm not too hip on how to go that far.
That's why I buy from strangers on trading websites and pay cash. Ok, JK (mostly) I like to buy everything online so the alphabets know which body armor levels to wear when they come to the house. You gotta give the Gestapo a fighting chance when they come to confiscate/eliminate their threats. Vote independent!
@@Zerosen89 hmmm a war on multiple fronts...make them exhaust every dime they have. That is until they beg the current fascists government to spot them a few million dollars but I think it'll be both financially and emotionally taxing on them when thousands of people take them to court all at the same time.
I think we should be able to arrest them. Suing doesn't go nearly far enough. After all, all gun grabbers are backed by Bloomberg and his ilk and therefore stand to lose nothing by being sued. They have bottomless pockets.
Hey Colion, your hunt prep story reminded me of this story: When I was a kid, my mom wanted to raise my four brothers and I out in the country, in a quasi-farm situation; so that we could learn to live off the land as it were. We weren’t well off, but my stepdad worked hard. We planted a garden, fished, got chickens and then finally a couple piglets. Time came when piglets became hogs. Folks met an older black gentleman who had the knowledge of butchering and processing a pig. He said, “I’ll go show you how to do it, just give me the hog head.” “Deal!” Old man shows up, says “You got a sledgehammer?” Stepdad, “Yup” Old guy proceeds to BEAT THE HOG TO DEATH with that sledgehammer. Us kids, “Oh SHIT!!!!!” We got a .22 for our next one LOL!!!!
I am a legal, law-abiding gun owner. I have cards with all of these credit card companies and I purchase bulk ammo and firearms online all the time. If I find out that any of them share my info with any gun group or law enforcement entity without my knowledge, consent or a warrant, I will not only drop them as a customer, but I will go after them by all legal means necessary. Go ahead and try me. Go ahead and play with me. I dare you. I will make all your lives a living hell.
You won't be alone and we could even bring a Class Action lawsuit and sue for $Billions like the families are no doing to the Gun Companies. That's so much BS, can we sue Ford, GM, Chrysler if a DRUNK DRIVER uses one of their car to kill a family member? Why NOT?
I'm not sure that the 2nd amendment supports a right to go in debt for firearms. If you have the money upfront your right shall not be infringed... Would be interesting to see how it plays out in court.
As a Canadian this concerns me. Our current govt loves to look south for inspiration. Since our govt announced a handgun bill in may, Canadians have bought over 120,000 hand guns (yeah we did!). The govt proposing a law to ban handguns, led to the largest firearm sales in recorded history. This is exactly the kind of absurd law that our govt would try to pass, using this recent gun buy frenzy as an excuse. Ugh. Update: Canada passed the 135k sold mark! Proud of my fellow licensed gun owners.
@@arthurribeiro9076 I bought 1 because I like the sport. I bought 4 more because the government tried to say I couldn't. It's not a constitutional right in Canada, but the new laws are solely aimed at disarming licensed owners. Fuck all that.
Throughout my 70 years on the planet, I've never done business with anyone, or any company who doesn't accept cash. You'd be surprised how many companies will even lower the price on items when paid in cash.
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@@KevinSmith-os5yz: I've always paid cash for my vehicles. Pay full amount on credit card when due so I never pay interest. I did have a 30 year mortgage when I bought my home, but sending an extra $200 per months applied to the interest paid off the loan in 7 years... a savings of $180,000 over the life of the loan. 99.9% of the time if I don't have the cash, I'll just do without. The best financial advice I've ever gotten was from my dear old Grandmother who was born in the Indian Territories 1899, and only had a 6th grade education. "Keep a close eye on your pennies, and your dollars will take care of themselves".
@@kennethhart5393: 100% correct my friend. The first universal credit card, which could be used at a variety of establishes, was introduced by Diner's Club Inc. in 1950. Since then... the Federal Reserve/Banks/Federal Government's main goal is to keep citizens in debt. It was Senator Joe Biden who sponsored the Bill making sure Credit Card Corporation's could charge outrages percentage rates for using their cards. Now the Federal Government want's to do away with cash using the same lame excuse... their failed 50 year War on Drugs.
This is getting ridiculous. I'm sorry for those who've lost a loved one in one of these (FBI perpetrated) tragedies, but I will NOT give up my 2A rights no matter what! End of story.
it always has made me wonder how much some of these people (not all) get paid to commit these tragedies so the left can push their unconstitutional agenda, some of these school shootings happened because the kids were bullied to the point of breaking and the ones that did the bullying and their parents aren't held accountable. Nobody pays attention enough to realize that some of these tragedies happen because of others ignorance and not by the one committing the crime. Columbine is a perfect example of kids getting bullied and pushed to their limits and when people didn't listen to them about what was going on with them, they opted for the only way to get anyone's attention about their story. They were victims themselves.
@@irishbrewgaming2296 Well said. There's also a serious mental health issue plaguing the country right now. But politicians don't care about that. They only care about CONTROL! They want to disarm us, to CONTROL us! It's really THAT simple! Absolutely NOTHING they do is about "safety". It's all pre-calculated to benefit THEM, not us! They DO NOT care about us!
Enough! How many thousands of "laws" are already infringing on our rights?! What part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand?! Enough! Enough!
they know that, and they know that they are pushing peoples' buttons. They WANT someone to pop their cork and do something stupid, because it gives them pretext to do more rights-erosion. This is an intentional baiting of the emotions to spin people up so much that someone will finally snap and play right into their hands. This has been done for literally centuries to push an opponent into doing something extreme that gives pretext to act egregiously under the shield of "protecting the common good". Nicolo Machiavelli would be proud of these people.
Yeah brother there are thousands of Americans who are standing right behind you thinking the same thing .. the question is at what point do we finally put our foot down and say enough is enough let's get these Crooks out of office by any means necessary preferably peacefully through voting strong people like Ron DeSantis into office I just hope we're not too little too late .. the government will never put their foot down and straight out attack the American people law abiding citizens as a whole because they know it would start a war and they would lose 10 out of 10 times that's been proven in studies that the government themselves have done the problem is knowing when to make the right move and what exactly the right move is
Exactly. I go to the range and buy ammo to shoot at targets using a card. When I leave, I always buy my "home defense" ammo using cash. I even save my targets with dates on them. If someone really wants to go there, we can count bullet holes and cross reference that with the ammo I bought using a "card".
I recently used my Amazon credit card to order me an Uberti 1858 Remington style new model army .44 caliber revolver from Dixie gun works online and a Howell .45 colt fluted cartridge conversion cylinder for it from midway USA online and received both a week and a half ago and I used the same credit card a week ago to buy 2 boxes of HSM .45 colt 200 grain cowboy load cartridges for it at the Cabela’s outlet in Hamburg PA. Thankfully my credit card worked just fine. I specifically got it so I could use it to acquire my new piece and it’s conversion cylinder and the ammo for it. I live in MA. yet I was still able to get the piece and the cylinder shipped to my address in Springfield but I had to use the credit card to rent a car and drive 275 miles to score the ammo
Im in Miami and over a year ago I witnessed a man (tourist from Cali.) at the gun shop get his purchase rejected by his bank! He called the bank and they told him that the purchase was rejected because he was making a purchaes at a gun shop! This has been happening , they just want it to be ubiquitous! 🤬
"There's no way to know if they bought 20 baseball bats or 20 assault rifles." They really never let reality get in the way of a good round of rhetorical hyperbole do they?
@@pdxyyz4327 Oh my God yes. I used to look at guns in sporting goods stores, then about a year ago I got to go to an actual gun store and just about creamed myself it was amazing.
I had a credit card that contacted me and "requested" that I refrain from using my card for purchases dealing with firearms and ammunition. Now, that's all I use it for. When they contacted me again, I said, "You have to make the choice if you want me as a customer or not. You also have to make the choice if you're a bank or an advocacy group. both come with consequences, but DO NOT tell me how to spend my money, or use this card." To this day, that bank has not canceled the card, not received a dime of interest, and I have not received another notice about my purchases. I still use it for guns and ammo. These banks are only as powerful as their customers allow them to be. If they want to virtue signal, make them pay for it.
@@DadsCigaretteRun i disagree. Joshua Fluke/Flake i forget his youtube channel name. He puts horrible business practices on blast for tens of thousands to see sometimes it leads to companies switching their terrible policies around in favor of the employees. putting these scummy people on blast is what you do and show it to the public so they all see how terrible the company is and how the top brass think/treat the lower level people or just general public at large.
@@DDVgamingpros no you should do that. But the OP said they changed their tune when he threatens to leave. That’s a good thing, not the best!…but it’s good
So what now we can’t use our own credit to purchase our own ammo which part does that fall under our “freedom” wtf is going in this country, thank you Colion for spreading facts and saying what most are scared to say 🙏🏼
What Colion missed in an otherwise great video is the pressure being put on shippers like UPS and FedEx over shipping guns and gun parts. Also, don't forget CA's new laws that make plaintiffs and their attorney financially responsible for the state's legal fees even potentially if the state loses the case. What we are seeing is the anti-gunners shifting tactics in the post-Bruen world. Too many pro-2A folks were too quick to celebrate the end of gun control after Bruen. These ardent gun haters will not simply give up and roll over.
Colion already covered that in a earlier video and as far as I know right now the only SPINELESS carrier was UPS who will no longer ship ANYTHING for guns. Parts, Kits, Ammo, etc. I will no longer do any business with UPS.
@@stevef4930 ATF is doing that too. FFL revocations are WAY up and usually for minor paperwork errors. This is a multi-pronged, coordinated attack on the entire gun industry. Remember Biden talking about going after "rogue gun dealers?" Apparently, a paperwork error makes you "rogue."
Jokes on them, im old enough to know that the Supreme court doesnt mean shit, and this will only end with violence because we will have no other choice.
This has been a tactic of the anti 2A groups for years and it's despicable. It show they know nothing about firearms and ammo. As you point out, how much ammo you use can depend on how much training you're doing. Back when I had the money and before the pandemic BS I spent about two hundred dollars a month on ammo. I bought ammo in bulk cases. Most 22lr is sold in boxes and buckets in quantities of 500-3000+ rounds.
I've been using cash for those purchases for years. Some banks here and there started refusing to allow charges at gun stores some years ago so I went with cash instead. Just wait until they implement their cashless society and social credit score system so that if you aren't someone they 'approve of' you'll not be allowed to buy certain things like guns, ammo, accessories, meat, pork, etc.
Yes, PayPal won't let you use it at gun stores!!🤬 When I use to have Paypal the kept wanting me to tie a bank account to it,I told them HELL NO, do you think I am stupid and then I cancelled them!
My dad and I went to buy him a new truck at a dealership. The guy came back and said Mr. R you don’t have a credit score. Not a good one, not a bad one, no score at all. My dad said how does that matter if I’m paying cash. The guy stuttered and shuffled off. Funny. He was old school. Never owned a credit card, no loans.
That's a great alternative and the bank won't know what the money is being used for. I have a good amount of cash in my gun safe for just an occasion should the need arise.
Buying in cash can cause problems too. I once withdrew a large amount of cash to buy a rare pinball machine. I was then asked all kinds of questions as to what was my purpose. I imagine they were looking for drug transactions or some such, but I can easily see this extended to purchases of firearms.
I love how they stated common basic information like its grounding breaking info. The shooters used credit cards from visa, Mastercard and American Express to purchase their firearms. OK thats like nearly all credit cards whats left is an extreme minority of cards. Stating the amount spent like its a huge unusual amount of money when its actually very common place as Colion points out. Also one thing I think he missed about them pressuring major credit cards to create and flag gun purchases in a separate category is that they can use their systems to create a registry of who has guns and deduce what guns they have. So they can create a gun registry by proxy while denying they are doing so. A lot of porn and gambling establishments are already blocked by many credit card companies and specific banks. I can see the same happening with firearms the precedent is there.
Bingo. You figured out exactly why they're doing this. It's not about fraud. It's not about safety. It's about getting corporations to create a de facto gun registry for them. You can bet bet the credit cards will gladly hand over their entire database of transactions the second they ask.
We need attorneys general in all free states to write letters to all credit card companies telling them that if they do this, they will not be allowed to do business in their states. If those states don't already have laws forbidding the compilation of de facto gun registries, or any type of personally-identifiable documenting the free exercise of individuals' 2A rights, then they need to pass them ASAP.
This exact thing happened to me a couple days ago up here in Canada. Recent handgun order was declined, flagged with Visa and all purchases locked. Again, the same thing buying crypto only a few weeks earlier. Called my CC company and threatened to escalate the issue and cancel my card if they didn't unlock it which they did. These banks and CC companies will stop and nothing to regulate client purchases now. Planning to get a secure card going forward, these credit groups can stuff it.
I have found out that even if you have a secured card through visa they will still decline the purchase. I have 5000.00 dollar secured card specifically for internet use even if its your own money they can and will decline your purchase. Tie your crypto directly to your saving account (secondary savings minimal funds) direct withdrawal. As far as guns, use cash, sometimes you can find a friend who has many weapons and is looking to off load one or two take advantage of that.
Two weeks ago I got a call on my cell phone from Gifford's wanting me to donate to their anti gun cause. I told them I didn't agree with theirs stance on the second amendment. The fellow said really. I said yes I am donating heavily to GOA and FPC to protect the second amendment and to protect our rights to defend ourselves. He hung up on me. I guess he didn't have much of a sense of humor.
We could try But the institutions are a lot more heavily influenced not only by the left anti gun lobbies but the WEF. Of which I'm sure has a hand in this. How else are they going to force their mandates on us
@@Zerosen89 Pink Floyd was WAY ahead of their time. They were just using "a known evil" to personify their story's theme, but go back to The Wall and watch how they took all the angry youth and converted them right into the movement. Waiting to cut out the deadwood Waiting to clean up the city Waiting to follow the worms Waiting to put on a black shirt Waiting to weed out the weaklings Waiting to smash in their windows And kick in their doors Waiting for the final solution To strengthen the strain Waiting to follow the worms Waiting to turn on the showers And fire the ovens Waiting OMITTED FOR TH-cam Waiting to follow the worms
This whole thing about gun control is absolutely absurd! It pisses me off that the government and financial institutions, label me, us, the legal and responsible gun owners, as “bad actors”! SMDH😡
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This won't stop anything. You can literally just transfer the amount that you need from your credit card to another card via PayPal, Venmo, Cashapp, etc. or just buy a bunch of Vanilla gift cards or load up a prepaid card then buy whatever you need, and there will be no visible firearm transaction on your credit card or bank statement.
Back when Chicago, started giving out gift cards instead of cash in their " gun buy back" scheme, a local suburban Sportsman s club rounded up a large bunch of old worn out, and otherwise decrepit firearms, and turned them all in and gleefully, went out and purchased, a number of brand new guns, and enough ammunition to keep their youth training program shooting for years, of course somebody didn't keep their mouths shut, and a local reporter, got a hold of it, the next thing you know, the gift cards, are flagged with a code, that doesn't allow them to be used, for the purchase of firearms or ammunition. If the companies issuing those cards can do that, what's to stop them from coding other cards as well?
@@Physics072 They're not going to get rid of cash. You're entering the 'Too paranoid' area, might want to reel yourself in before it consumes you. I am being 100% serious with that, not trying to insult or undermine. But that just wouldn't be feasible in any way, shape or form.
We can't, because then they will point their fingers and say, see! They ARE dangerous! And then it'll get worse faster. I'm not saying we have to sit back and take it. But standing up or pushing back, isn't gonna happen.
I think he missed the part about the suspicious activity where they suddenly start buying a bunch of weapons the party was missing was how they were being coached online by FBI and how all of those purchases suddenly were getting passed even if the guy had a previous record that seems to be a major contributing factor more so than the method that they used to pay
The thing yeah they spent so it like the Vegas shooter but there is antique guns that go for thousands of dollars what if you spend 4,000 for a civil war era rifle and put it on your cc and they deny you that is what his point is they want cc companies to track or deny people buying using cc
That would likely be easy to defeat by using a non banking company /app like BLUR that offers disposable credit card numbers and all the CC company will see is a charge from this company, not who you actually bought from.
Many companies already only report a purchase amount to the card company to circumvent these policies. Last gun I bought showed up in my statement as just a $xxxxx purchase from that company...which doesn't only sell guns. They sent me an detailed invoice via email in case there was a need to return it.
- In 2012, $9000 over 2 months That is one decent rifle, some accessories, and some ammo, per month, for two months. - In 2016, $26000 over 12 days That's ammo for single range day for the office. - In 2017, $94000 over 12 months That is ~8000 a month, which I suppose is a lot for most people but I can see a well-off enthusiast (rich or business owner or something) spending this much on a hobby. None of this seems particularly suspicious to me.
2012 that is one hellaciously overpriced rifle plus all that other. You people are crazy if you're willing to pay that much out the ass just for whatever name brand. I suppose the alternative explanation is that I'm just a cheap ass poor person who isn't willing to spend over a grand on a singular gun.
@@ram89572 A lot of times, you're paying for known reliability and quality. When it comes to tools people might depend on to save lives, some folks feel like it's better to spare no expense. So you get your Daniel Defense rifle, your Surefire weapon light, your EOTech optic, your PEQ-15, your Team Wendy helmet, your PVS-14, your body armor.... We're starting to get close to $9k, right? And sure, you could build a great rifle for less than a DD. You could use a chinesium Olight instead of a Surefire. You could use a Swampfox optic instead of something EOTech or Aimpoint. Some off-brand IR, a chinese ballistic helmet, Call of Duty Special Edition "night vision", and some AR-500 plate that will kill you with the shrapnel from the bullets it stops.... But there's a lot of good reasons why the door kickers in the police and military often decide not to cheap out on gear. And depending on your potential defensive situations, some or all of those things might also apply to you!
@@theKashConnoisseur And when I only make $36k a year I'm not about to drop a quarter of that on some fancy names just because it might have half a percent less of a chance of failing right in that one single moment in time when I suddenly needed it or else I was going to for sure die. That whole argument of "surely you only want 'the best' because of this one potential moment in the potential future where you might potentially die if you don't have this very specific item" doesn't work on me. When I can get 95% of the gun for 1/7th the price then why wouldn't I do that instead. It's the same argument for all the people foolish enough to go to out of state universities when they could have gotten the same degree from one within their own state for a fraction of the cost. Sure maybe at some potential point the name of whatever school they went to might make the difference but was that potential really worth them wasting so much more money that they will never pay off.
@@ram89572 you could always start by aspiring to a higher paying job. You're making $15,000 less per year than the average American. Imagine if you lived your same life as now but had an extra $15,000 at the end of each year. Wouldn't it begin to make sense then? Obviously, when you're neck deep in The Struggle, buying expensive shit is off limits.
@@theKashConnoisseur It's funny that you think I could find a higher paying job. That isn't going to happen where I live. And I'm not going to move. I was born down here, my family land is down here, and I will die down here. I'm not about to move to a damn city somewhere just to try to find a job that pays more and give up all my rights in the process. What I can tell you is that if I made another $15k a year without changing my life then I would certainly be able to pay off all my bills more easily and maybe could actually get some nicer things like maybe a modern tractor with a cab and a/c. That would be nice, but that isn't my life. So I will continue to use my Workmaster from the '50s and my John Deere 1530 from the '70s. If I had extra money, maybe I'd finally be able to have a nice concrete foundation poured and a garage built with a 2 post lift in it to make working on my vehicles easier. There's a lot of things I could do if I had more money. Unless I win the lottery though, those things will remain unrealized dreams
And the bigger picture here is it creates A REGISTRY! They might not know exactly what firearm you have but they'll know you have a firearm that uses that type of ammo??? Every thing they do concerning tracking is to know who has what!
I could spend $350 at my local gun store tomorrow and walk out with 1000 rounds of 9mm. Or spend the same money on a gun case, several jackets and gloves. Or spend the same money on some ammo and a jacket. Right now, the credit card company only gets told the total to charge, not the content of my cart. The store would have to ring up ammo/guns as one transaction using one merchant code, and other stuff in a separate transaction, using a different merchant code. Bottom line, even the ammo/gun transaction wouldn't tell the type of gun or ammo, not without a major overhaul of the credit system to have individual items posted. It would be easier to legislate federally what California has done - make ammo purchases go through the same background check as gun purchases. "50 round of 9mm? Sure, no problem. 100 rounds? Here's a 4473 to fill out to buy that."
This really makes sense for 2 reasons. The first being that things are so expensive right now (thanks sleepy Joe), that the only way some people might be able to purchase a gun to protect themselves with, is with a credit card. The second being that this helps support their social credit system they want to push so much. Think about that, a credit system having a say over what freedoms you're allowed to excersise.
Sounds like social media especially after Zuckerberg admitted what he did on Joe Rogan's Show recently about the FBI coming to him with no official paperwork telling him that they were going to need him to help dissuade Russian disinformation only weeks before Hunter Biden's laptop became public
So many people should either be deported or at the very least barred from voting. The Constitution is the very basic foundation of our country and legal system. If you at the bare minimum can't even respect that then you quite literally shouldn't even be allowed to be here. Or at the least not making decisions via voting anymore. I feel like their type of mindset wouldn't have been tolerated 90% of this country's history.
The moment my credit card company starts tracking my purchases by specific line items rather than generic book keeping categories is the day they are no longer my credit card company.
Is there organization out there where someone can join to help through the legal system to push back these unconstitutional laws and bills that are trying to pass? It is getting ridiculous how they don’t appreciate our right to self defense.
Apparently I am a really suspicious person. Just went through a thousand rounds in a training class. I need a couple more thousand for the one in September. Never mind that I am retired military and was a sworn LEO for 5 years. I AM THE MULITIA!
Already targeted, Citi card lowered my credit limit by $3000.00, the amount I paid on the card. One monthly statement had one pew-pew purchase with multiple mag purchases. I guess if pay off the balance; the credit limit will drop to zero.
The credit card companies can get all the information about what guns you buy all they want it's very easy to go to a ATM and get cash to pay for guns and ammo.
It's also a form of gun registration, in addition to having our information tied to guns with address, endangering gun owners from people who get the information to go out and steal guns
"Bought thousands of rounds of ammunition...purchasing behavior that is common among mass shooters and firearm traffickers" Or ya know, people that buy ammo in bulk to save money and/or because they go shooting a lot and go through thousands of rounds a year. Heck 22LR is commonly sold 5000 rounds at a time.
Using the basic understand of firearms and math that anti-gunners don't seem to posses: Assuming you go through 3 mags of 556 every time you go to the range, then that's only 11 range trips to go through roughly 1000 rounds. So that's only 3 months worth of ammo if you go every week, which means you would need to order 4000 rounds to have just a 1 year supply. "Thousand" is not a big number when it comes to ammunition.
CNN: says 5 guns and 1000 rounds is an "arsenal"
Me, looks at the guns and ammo that don't fit in my closest.
By their logic.
Water should be a heavily regulated commodity as all serial killers, terrorists, mass shooters, gang members, and similar other deplorables and criminals use it as a nutritive supplement.
Seriously, though. This isn't about "sAfEtY" or "pRoTeCtInG tHe cHiLdReN".
Its about control.
Americans. If they pass this. Don't listen to them. Just keep buying and preparing.
And if they keep coming.
Reload.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz I'm glad I'm not the only one with this problem lol.
Hell I try and buy 80 rounds every paycheck
@@crackdoggies My move is to throw a box in every I go shopping. I have a couple thousand rounds of 9 and 7.62
Every single act that you see now is a step closer to the social credit system. This isn't even really about guns in the grand scheme of things, but it will serve as a starting point for future restrictions
They need to start with the guns to get to their eventual authoritarian wet dream.
Honestly couldn’t agree more, this is ridiculous, how dum do you have to be to not notice this and continue to support these things
@communists are gross TH-cam deleted your comment. They seem to be going after more and more normal comments lately.
@@The_To101 it’s not that they’re dumb, it’s that they’re in control, they wouldn’t like it if it were against them, but it’s not. So they push for any way to “hurt the other side”
@@jacobfarnsley8017 Yeah I agree, and one thing I noticed is they target the idiots because they know they will vote for them if you give them what they want like temporary money…
Despite the fact that this would be a huge invasion of privacy and targeted discrimination and likely illegal in the US.
Perhaps any company selling firearms and ammo should proactively counter anything like this by implementing discreet invoicing, so purchases are effectively private and no longer obvious to banks! Or better yet, maybe we should go back to the days of cash, after all "cash is king".
They are about to do away with Cash
We already have major companies openly violating the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and banks that are closing people's accounts, canceling their credit cards, and refusing to lend to them based on their politics, which violates a bunch of laws in itself.
But no one is willing to take them on or fight them. No one who has the power and resources to do so, anyway.
Nothing is illegal in the US if you're a member of the elite.
It is disheartening how many Americans would willingly trade privacy for placebo-effect safety, without thinking beyond even the immediate consequences. We have become soft.
Crypto man.
This is scary.. And the fact that ppl don't see it happening is even more scary.. Definitely sharing this video.
Most drunk drivers also took a loan for their car. financing companies should report car purchases of potential drunk drivers...
Even better, most drunk drivers purchased alcohol using their Credit Card
Yes
@@Saanonymous80 Yeah flag them to
yup no loans ir cards to drunks druggie and socialist fools.
Exactly, especially if they have a DUI on their record already. Oh wait, they don't need to do a BACKGROUND CHECK to buy a new car do they? Hummmmm.
"YoU dOnT nEeD tO sPeNd $10k On A rIfLe To HuNt dEeR." You're right, but you also don't need a $100k car to commute to work. It's our money. We have the right to buy what we want to accomplish the task we are trying to complete.
Yeah but I can still laugh at you for spending _that_ much on a single rifle. You name brand guys just make me shake my head
Correct. I spend $600 on a deer rifle because I want something ugly to fire one or two rounds a day. I would spent $10,000 to buy an anti-AFT rifle because thats when every shot really matters.
@@ram89572 well hello my ignorant friend! You should take that "you name brand guys" bs somewhere else. I think you missed the point I was making. I don't spend that much on hunting rifles, but if I did, it's nobody's business, including, you, or the banks.
Same people spent hundreds of billions of tax payer dollars on foreign wars in the name of "our freedom".
BTW, the day someone use his Chevy to kill dozens of people by driving into a crowd, would they want to sue Chevrolet?
Meanwhile at the IRS:
"We have thoroughly audited ourselves and found no evidence of misusing tax dollars!"
But yet I get audited this year and have to prove I have 4 children. Then they dig and find a defaulted auto loan was charged off that I didn't report 2 years ago as income. And now have to pay $1500. Things are going to go sideways really damn quick in that department alone. Then add this invasion of privacy is inline with that bs that Pelosi tried to implement about $600 charges being flagged.
While buying thousands of rounds and firearms with OUR money!!!
And having a billion rounds of ammo.
Same logic as when the EPA was going after farmers that had ponds while the Utah data center was using three million gallons of water a day to cool it's mainframes.
Just trust us, bro.
Thanks for being the voice of so many!
My last small purchase of firearms parts, and my last donation to a 2A group were both initially rejected by the credit card company as potentially fraudulent. I called and explained that the charges were indeed mine and in line with my normal habits, and they allowed the transactions. But I did find it odd that those were the flagged transactions. I wonder if some companies already are using extra scrutiny?
Most definitely.
what pisses me off is Google recommending to unsubscribe from every 2A email but keeps pushing other bs to my inbox
Why do you think Adolf Hitler Joe Biden,
It's trying to do Digital currency.
DFT Williams
TH-cam page let's Unite.
99.9% of my purchases are made with cash. They still know too much.
weird, i made an expensive firearm purchase, got flagged and needed a notary to prove it wasnt so called "fraudulent"
Man it is amazing how people surrender to tyranny so easily
facts
people are ignorant by default, if they aren't educated, then this happens
Theyre creating it
Years of misinformation have made Children grow to be Pawns rather than Free Men And Women. MSM supplies The Fear, Politicians Demand The Violence And Pawns Throw Away Liberty and Freedom for "FREE" Things Which Would Put Them In Servitude.
Not really. History never repeats but it sure does rhyme.
Sounds like we need to sue them until they change their minds. The shooters also used Dove, and wore Nike’s…Cancel them too I suppose🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Even driven Dodge trucks and they had bought a Shark Vacuum.
that's why I stopped using Dove, that soap was whispering racist shit to me in the shower... it was creepy.
@@killertruth186 Lets not forget the iPhones they used, we need to put Apple out of business because someone owned one and did something bad.
💀 🤦🏽♀️ funny but sadly true 😮💨 shit is getting real
Also the vehicle company that made the vehicle they drove.and the gas station and the government for paving the road they drove on.
I think you missed a big part of this. If this were to happen, it's another way of creating a gun registration. If this system was created then it would be another way for them to just hit up these credit card companies and ask for everyone who's made purchases in this new category. Appreciate all you do for the 2A brother 🇺🇸
i sold firearms for 2 years for a sporting store, i couldn’t tell you how many times i would see a gun get bought with Cash, Pre Paid Visa, In Store Credit/Gift Cards. This won’t fix shit; i wonder how’d they feel if their credit card pinged on their hobby? They’d be screaming it’s a violation of privacy.
Or a cheque, thats what I did for my two tax stamps
It’s so easy all you have to do is buy $2000 worth of gift cards on your credit card take these gift cards use them at the gun store😂😂😂
That's what I'm thinking. I bought all of mine with my Debit Card. I rarely use a Credit Card for anything but emergency buys.
It's extremely concerning that there are people who get to vote that are so desperate to throw away everyone's privacy and so short sighted that they can't imagine how "enlist private companies to monitor/flag X" might be a god awful idea. It's not even a gun issue. It's just an obscenely foolish idea.
Do you think the left is doing this because there are more blacks an people of color are using the 2and ammendment rights than ever before?
"Foolish" is an understatement.. These people are brain dead.
Law of unintended consequences: 90% of gun and ammo purchases would suddenly be done with cash, making it even harder track. Good job, anti-gunners!
I think the entire anti-gun lobby shares one neuron among all of them.
Giving away rights, playing right into the Reds. And all the youngsters love tiktok, made in China.
@@Bacteriophagebs the neuron of a goldfish that is
Imagine how, on top of applying for an FFL, and potentially a CCW, you then must get in contact with a gun store to get necessary information on the gun you want, and then walk into your bank to have a sit-down and present that information to apply for a purchaser's permit so they don't completely lock down all accounts you have with them when attempting the purchase. The insanity of it all.
keep money in a buried place, then just use money orders for 50 cents lol
We also know for a fact that, the FBI agents who concocted the whole “kidnapping” plot here in Michigan, continuously tried to give one of the men they were trying to entrap, “several $5000 credit cards and told him to buy guns and ammo” BTW, did we ever figure out where the Uvalde shooter got the money to buy everything he used🤔
Most credit cards support direct cash withdrawals, so….
I feel there are a lot of gun owners in the banking systems, credit cards and etc
That carry to protect themselves
That, that right there is the moment when you should be building your own and teaching others
I guarantee they already do this. A couple months ago I was looking for a specific firearm. It wasn't necessarily rare but it's pretty difficult to find one at any local shops. That being the case I decided to try online and have it shipped to an FFL. First I tried Atlantic firearms. Side note... Atlantic has garbage customer service. The charge would not go through. I had plenty of money to cover the purchase and this is from a debit account. Tried to get in touch with Atlantic but being the garbage customer service they are decided to try a different shop. I found a gun store in Kentucky that ships that had the firearm in stock. Go to complete the purchase, says the bank declined due to a mismatch in address. Checked and tried a second time. Same thing. Everything was correct and was verified to be correct by the gun store but the charge still would not go through. Finally I find one close enough to drive to. About 2 hours. I go and attempted to make the purchase in person. Still declined. I know the card and account are working because I put a hold on the gun and I went to the bank to pull out cash and on the way I stopped for gas. Finally pulled out cash and went back and paid for the firearm. That's 3 times that financial institution had denied a purchase despite everything being correct and having plenty of funds. It took going and pulling out cash to make the purchase.
While I certainly don't disagree that the banks are snooping into everything we buy, especially firearms... It could be the amount of the purchase as well. Most debit cards have a default spending limit of $1,000 per day. If you were trying to make a purchase near or above that amount, especially online, it's possible the fraud algorithm flagged it.
Next time you want to make a large purchase online or in-person, contact your bank and let them know ahead of time. You don't need to give them details, just simply ask to increase your limit for the next day because you are planning to make a large purchase. This will hopefully avoid the issue in the future.
Sounds illegal and a violation of privacy. Also this is discrimination from stopping someone to buy a certain items while other people can buy different items with no restrictions
There's no law against it. Businesses are free to discriminate on any basis other than those banned by anti-discrimination law (e.g. race, religion, national origin). The law won't save us unless Republicans pass new law.
It's only a violation if they don't make you wave it in their "terms of service"
@@PrezVeto anti 2A laws are discriminatory towards me due to my national origin. My religion encourages everyone to posses and carry as well. If they go through with it, there will be lawsuits.
Y'know, badgering an industry in order to prevent the exercise of a Constitutional right sounds kind of terroristic. Or, dare I say, insurrectiony.
YES!
It is certainly fascist.
Conspiracy Against Rights-y, for sure.
I disagree, I say tyrannical and unconstitutional
@@projectvegan1077 Tyrannical, perhaps. Unconstitutional? I think rather Anti-Constitutional. Although backed by the government, these slags aren't themselves the government.
We know drunk drivers use credit cards to buy booze. Please call on the credit card companies to act.
Oh, shoot, you're right. But what about arsonists? Better track all sales of gasoline, lighters, and matches. What about people who buy fertilizer? They might be wanting to blow up a building.
Stuff like this has been going on for a while. When my family started a gun store a few years ago, we had a heck of a time finding a bank that would do business with us.
And the thing is, I could get around the large purchase flags by purchasing parts and putting it together myself.
Honestly figure the government is already keeping tabs on these purchases
@Censored VPN. Electrical tape over the webcam. Disable microphone driver.
If you really want to go under the radar, you'll need a burner card, or something, but i'm not too hip on how to go that far.
Government is watching your online traffic. Get a VPN. Friends of mine that work at gun stores, say the DOJ keeps tabs on who buys what......
They are if you buy 2 guns or more your purchases are required to be sent to the ATF the FFL has no choice and the ATF has a record of your purchase
Oh yeah, thats been the idea for a while, why buying in cash as much as possible is best.
That's why I buy from strangers on trading websites and pay cash.
Ok, JK (mostly)
I like to buy everything online so the alphabets know which body armor levels to wear when they come to the house.
You gotta give the Gestapo a fighting chance when they come to confiscate/eliminate their threats.
Vote independent!
Sadly they might. Banks in Australia are going to stop giving loans for petroleum powered vehicles soon too. The world has gone insane.
Jesus Christ.
@@FUNKOfilms We saw the beginnings of this new warfare with the truckers in Canada. It's a sad state of affairs.
And it's all planned. WEF Agenda 2030.
@@axelmilan4292 Yes, it is and the attack on the world's food supply has just begun too.
So anyone who can will give those loans will have no competition?
I think we should be able to sue the Gifford group for tortious interference in a business and sue them into an oblivion as a class action lawsuit.
I agree, take the Gifford Group to court, sue them for everthing they got.
@@Zerosen89 hmmm a war on multiple fronts...make them exhaust every dime they have. That is until they beg the current fascists government to spot them a few million dollars but I think it'll be both financially and emotionally taxing on them when thousands of people take them to court all at the same time.
I think we should be able to arrest them. Suing doesn't go nearly far enough. After all, all gun grabbers are backed by Bloomberg and his ilk and therefore stand to lose nothing by being sued. They have bottomless pockets.
Hey Colion, your hunt prep story reminded me of this story:
When I was a kid, my mom wanted to raise my four brothers and I out in the country, in a quasi-farm situation; so that we could learn to live off the land as it were. We weren’t well off, but my stepdad worked hard. We planted a garden, fished, got chickens and then finally a couple piglets. Time came when piglets became hogs. Folks met an older black gentleman who had the knowledge of butchering and processing a pig. He said, “I’ll go show you how to do it, just give me the hog head.” “Deal!” Old man shows up, says “You got a sledgehammer?” Stepdad, “Yup” Old guy proceeds to BEAT THE HOG TO DEATH with that sledgehammer. Us kids, “Oh SHIT!!!!!” We got a .22 for our next one LOL!!!!
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I am a legal, law-abiding gun owner. I have cards with all of these credit card companies and I purchase bulk ammo and firearms online all the time. If I find out that any of them share my info with any gun group or law enforcement entity without my knowledge, consent or a warrant, I will not only drop them as a customer, but I will go after them by all legal means necessary. Go ahead and try me. Go ahead and play with me. I dare you. I will make all your lives a living hell.
sadly theyre already sharing your info with law enforcements, every company does now.
You won't be alone and we could even bring a Class Action lawsuit and sue for $Billions like the families are no doing to the Gun Companies. That's so much BS, can we sue Ford, GM, Chrysler if a DRUNK DRIVER uses one of their car to kill a family member? Why NOT?
i like the way you think Mike .
I'm not sure that the 2nd amendment supports a right to go in debt for firearms. If you have the money upfront your right shall not be infringed... Would be interesting to see how it plays out in court.
@@mariaalkin1271 debit cards 🤦🏻♂️. You can use a credit card same as cash. I do. No debt and I earn points.
As a Canadian this concerns me. Our current govt loves to look south for inspiration.
Since our govt announced a handgun bill in may, Canadians have bought over 120,000 hand guns (yeah we did!). The govt proposing a law to ban handguns, led to the largest firearm sales in recorded history.
This is exactly the kind of absurd law that our govt would try to pass, using this recent gun buy frenzy as an excuse. Ugh.
Update: Canada passed the 135k sold mark! Proud of my fellow licensed gun owners.
Im glad to hear that, makes me hopefull about Canada, you guys still have sense of liberty.
They won't even have to pass a law. They'll bypass the whole process by an order in council.
I was fairly sure the leftist US government looks at Trudeu's tyranny for inspiration.
@@arthurribeiro9076 I bought 1 because I like the sport. I bought 4 more because the government tried to say I couldn't.
It's not a constitutional right in Canada, but the new laws are solely aimed at disarming licensed owners. Fuck all that.
You poor subjects in Candidialand. You are almost as bad off as all those transportees in Kangaroostan.
Throughout my 70 years on the planet, I've never done business with anyone, or any company who doesn't accept cash. You'd be surprised how many companies will even lower the price on items when paid in cash.
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Except for things like vehicles where the dealer makes money on the interest rate,grrrrrrr:)
@@KevinSmith-os5yz: I've always paid cash for my vehicles. Pay full amount on credit card when due so I never pay interest. I did have a 30 year mortgage when I bought my home, but sending an extra $200 per months applied to the interest paid off the loan in 7 years... a savings of $180,000 over the life of the loan.
99.9% of the time if I don't have the cash, I'll just do without.
The best financial advice I've ever gotten was from my dear old Grandmother who was born in the Indian Territories 1899, and only had a 6th grade education. "Keep a close eye on your pennies, and your dollars will take care of themselves".
@@kennethhart5393: 100% correct my friend. The first universal credit card, which could be used at a variety of establishes, was introduced by Diner's Club Inc. in 1950. Since then... the Federal Reserve/Banks/Federal Government's main goal is to keep citizens in debt.
It was Senator Joe Biden who sponsored the Bill making sure Credit Card Corporation's could charge outrages percentage rates for using their cards.
Now the Federal Government want's to do away with cash using the same lame excuse... their failed 50 year War on Drugs.
Soon that will end. You may have to either barter or use credit card again.
An employee at academies told me that they were tracking holster purchases. Not sure how relevant that is already been in the loop
The IRS bought millions of rounds of ammo, and thousands of guns. But these same people say that isnt mass shooter behavior
This is getting ridiculous. I'm sorry for those who've lost a loved one in one of these (FBI perpetrated) tragedies, but I will NOT give up my 2A rights no matter what! End of story.
it always has made me wonder how much some of these people (not all) get paid to commit these tragedies so the left can push their unconstitutional agenda, some of these school shootings happened because the kids were bullied to the point of breaking and the ones that did the bullying and their parents aren't held accountable. Nobody pays attention enough to realize that some of these tragedies happen because of others ignorance and not by the one committing the crime. Columbine is a perfect example of kids getting bullied and pushed to their limits and when people didn't listen to them about what was going on with them, they opted for the only way to get anyone's attention about their story. They were victims themselves.
Amen to that. I also will not give up my 2A rights as well!!!
@@irishbrewgaming2296 Well said. There's also a serious mental health issue plaguing the country right now. But politicians don't care about that. They only care about CONTROL! They want to disarm us, to CONTROL us! It's really THAT simple! Absolutely NOTHING they do is about "safety". It's all pre-calculated to benefit THEM, not us! They DO NOT care about us!
You have a good point. I've been saying the same regarding the FBI. We know they've become politicized.
@@davidh7398 thanks, very true about the FBI...run by the Dumacrats!!!
The minute my bank restricts my purchases is the minute I pull my business with that bank!
$26,000 in firearms and ammo. What companies even allow that much credit line to an unemployed highschool deposit or grad?
This is a sure sign that we have two different societies in the same country.
Yep , because there is a right and wrong answer for every question , hence the two party system .
Enough! How many thousands of "laws" are already infringing on our rights?!
What part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand?!
Enough!
Enough!
they know that, and they know that they are pushing peoples' buttons. They WANT someone to pop their cork and do something stupid, because it gives them pretext to do more rights-erosion. This is an intentional baiting of the emotions to spin people up so much that someone will finally snap and play right into their hands. This has been done for literally centuries to push an opponent into doing something extreme that gives pretext to act egregiously under the shield of "protecting the common good". Nicolo Machiavelli would be proud of these people.
Yeah brother there are thousands of Americans who are standing right behind you thinking the same thing .. the question is at what point do we finally put our foot down and say enough is enough let's get these Crooks out of office by any means necessary preferably peacefully through voting strong people like Ron DeSantis into office I just hope we're not too little too late .. the government will never put their foot down and straight out attack the American people law abiding citizens as a whole because they know it would start a war and they would lose 10 out of 10 times that's been proven in studies that the government themselves have done the problem is knowing when to make the right move and what exactly the right move is
Well said and brought to the attention of all responsible gun owners. Thanks Colion.
Visa: Purchase denied; ammo.
Me: Go's to ATM, pulls out $40, pays in cash.
Exactly. I go to the range and buy ammo to shoot at targets using a card. When I leave, I always buy my "home defense" ammo using cash. I even save my targets with dates on them. If someone really wants to go there, we can count bullet holes and cross reference that with the ammo I bought using a "card".
Every single firearms or ammo purchase I've ever done has always been cash for this exact reason
If I find my credit card company flagging anyone, I will pull my business immediately
And if the banks start doing it too I'll just keep my cash out of them
“Listen guys we support the 2nd amendment but…”
Famous last words
I wish I could talk to one of those people. Id start with "I support the 14th amendment, but..." and just keep talking until it finally sinks in.
...everything after the "but" is going to be an infringement in your Constitutional rights...
"I own two shotguns for skeet shooting, I support the second amendment"
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz hey man.. I have a brain dead liberal friend you could talk to.. but I wouldn't wish that on anyone..
you know once you hear that the next person to speak is only going to lie immediately and in large quantities
I recently used my Amazon credit card to order me an Uberti 1858 Remington style new model army .44 caliber revolver from Dixie gun works online and a Howell .45 colt fluted cartridge conversion cylinder for it from midway USA online and received both a week and a half ago and I used the same credit card a week ago to buy 2 boxes of HSM .45 colt 200 grain cowboy load cartridges for it at the Cabela’s outlet in Hamburg PA. Thankfully my credit card worked just fine. I specifically got it so I could use it to acquire my new piece and it’s conversion cylinder and the ammo for it. I live in MA. yet I was still able to get the piece and the cylinder shipped to my address in Springfield but I had to use the credit card to rent a car and drive 275 miles to score the ammo
Im in Miami and over a year ago I witnessed a man (tourist from Cali.) at the gun shop get his purchase rejected by his bank! He called the bank and they told him that the purchase was rejected because he was making a purchaes at a gun shop! This has been happening , they just want it to be ubiquitous! 🤬
Ha ha ha ha, was he trying to use his Bank of California Crédit Card or his Bank of America Credit Card ?... 😂
Boy, that escalated quickly. I mean, that really got out of hand fast. - Ron Burgundy.
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Yep sad when Ron Burgundy makes since in rl 🤣
-Thomas Jefferson
Ferrell is a cannibal.
This is how they will implement social credit system.
Implement all they want never giving up my 2a!
It is now my GOAL to purchase a firearm with any form of bitcoin that will allow it.
I'll call it COCKCHAIN!
I’ve said it before but You are for sure the best GUN GUY for information and laws,I watch all your stuff and respect your beliefs thanks
I've been in line with guys who will not buy guns, ammo and accessories with a card.
how did it feel to be in the presence of genius?
yup, a cash transaction, the only way to go.
Unfortunately the choice of items is very limited in a lot of places!!
@@wallychambe1587 Yep , hard to use cash online.
"There's no way to know if they bought 20 baseball bats or 20 assault rifles."
They really never let reality get in the way of a good round of rhetorical hyperbole do they?
I'd imagine the two orders would look entirely different based on cost, vendor and even weight if that factor is visible for shipping.
@@darkbringer1440 like I said, never let reality get in the way of a good bout of coulda-shoulda-woulda's
Except I've never bought a firearm from a sporting goods store, all have been purchased from gun stores.
Which a baseball bat can be used to kill people.
@@pdxyyz4327 Oh my God yes. I used to look at guns in sporting goods stores, then about a year ago I got to go to an actual gun store and just about creamed myself it was amazing.
I had a credit card that contacted me and "requested" that I refrain from using my card for purchases dealing with firearms and ammunition.
Now, that's all I use it for. When they contacted me again, I said, "You have to make the choice if you want me as a customer or not. You also have to make the choice if you're a bank or an advocacy group. both come with consequences, but DO NOT tell me how to spend my money, or use this card."
To this day, that bank has not canceled the card, not received a dime of interest, and I have not received another notice about my purchases. I still use it for guns and ammo.
These banks are only as powerful as their customers allow them to be. If they want to virtue signal, make them pay for it.
Well put, let them know they will pay for it if they do. If enough stand up they will stand down
what company, put them on blast!
@@pallie87 I mean they did the right thing in the end. Putting them on blast I don’t think would be helpful
@@DadsCigaretteRun i disagree. Joshua Fluke/Flake i forget his youtube channel name. He puts horrible business practices on blast for tens of thousands to see sometimes it leads to companies switching their terrible policies around in favor of the employees.
putting these scummy people on blast is what you do and show it to the public so they all see how terrible the company is and how the top brass think/treat the lower level people or just general public at large.
@@DDVgamingpros no you should do that. But the OP said they changed their tune when he threatens to leave. That’s a good thing, not the best!…but it’s good
So what now we can’t use our own credit to purchase our own ammo which part does that fall under our “freedom” wtf is going in this country, thank you Colion for spreading facts and saying what most are scared to say 🙏🏼
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The way Colion is like "yep. Going on a hunting trip. Let me buy a 4000 dollar gun." Is a level of financial security I aspire to.
Isn't his day job being a lawyer? Pretty financially secure job right there.
What Colion missed in an otherwise great video is the pressure being put on shippers like UPS and FedEx over shipping guns and gun parts. Also, don't forget CA's new laws that make plaintiffs and their attorney financially responsible for the state's legal fees even potentially if the state loses the case. What we are seeing is the anti-gunners shifting tactics in the post-Bruen world. Too many pro-2A folks were too quick to celebrate the end of gun control after Bruen. These ardent gun haters will not simply give up and roll over.
Colion already covered that in a earlier video and as far as I know right now the only SPINELESS carrier was UPS who will no longer ship ANYTHING for guns. Parts, Kits, Ammo, etc. I will no longer do any business with UPS.
They can always target the dealers and stores for sure and pull their ffls
@@stevef4930 ATF is doing that too. FFL revocations are WAY up and usually for minor paperwork errors. This is a multi-pronged, coordinated attack on the entire gun industry. Remember Biden talking about going after "rogue gun dealers?" Apparently, a paperwork error makes you "rogue."
@@garypowell9071 yup I heard even one error could get you pulled
Jokes on them, im old enough to know that the Supreme court doesnt mean shit, and this will only end with violence because we will have no other choice.
This has been a tactic of the anti 2A groups for years and it's despicable. It show they know nothing about firearms and ammo. As you point out, how much ammo you use can depend on how much training you're doing. Back when I had the money and before the pandemic BS I spent about two hundred dollars a month on ammo. I bought ammo in bulk cases. Most 22lr is sold in boxes and buckets in quantities of 500-3000+ rounds.
They know about how expensive it is. They just want to prevent you from doing it.
There is a difference in being dumb and just playing dumb. I don't think all these anti 2A groups are all truly dumb.
Thanks for the info. Keep up the good work!
I've been using cash for those purchases for years. Some banks here and there started refusing to allow charges at gun stores some years ago so I went with cash instead. Just wait until they implement their cashless society and social credit score system so that if you aren't someone they 'approve of' you'll not be allowed to buy certain things like guns, ammo, accessories, meat, pork, etc.
Yes, PayPal won't let you use it at gun stores!!🤬 When I use to have Paypal the kept wanting me to tie a bank account to it,I told them HELL NO, do you think I am stupid and then I cancelled them!
My dad and I went to buy him a new truck at a dealership. The guy came back and said Mr. R you don’t have a credit score. Not a good one, not a bad one, no score at all. My dad said how does that matter if I’m paying cash. The guy stuttered and shuffled off. Funny. He was old school. Never owned a credit card, no loans.
Fine, I’ll just pay with cash or money order!
That's a great alternative and the bank won't know what the money is being used for. I have a good amount of cash in my gun safe for just an occasion should the need arise.
Buying in cash can cause problems too. I once withdrew a large amount of cash to buy a rare pinball machine. I was then asked all kinds of questions as to what was my purpose. I imagine they were looking for drug transactions or some such, but I can easily see this extended to purchases of firearms.
Sounds like this is an invasion of privacy.
I love how they stated common basic information like its grounding breaking info. The shooters used credit cards from visa, Mastercard and American Express to purchase their firearms. OK thats like nearly all credit cards whats left is an extreme minority of cards. Stating the amount spent like its a huge unusual amount of money when its actually very common place as Colion points out. Also one thing I think he missed about them pressuring major credit cards to create and flag gun purchases in a separate category is that they can use their systems to create a registry of who has guns and deduce what guns they have. So they can create a gun registry by proxy while denying they are doing so. A lot of porn and gambling establishments are already blocked by many credit card companies and specific banks. I can see the same happening with firearms the precedent is there.
Can I use diners club at the gun store?:)
@@KevinSmith-os5yz I don't see why not.
Bingo. You figured out exactly why they're doing this. It's not about fraud. It's not about safety. It's about getting corporations to create a de facto gun registry for them. You can bet bet the credit cards will gladly hand over their entire database of transactions the second they ask.
Despite their pressure you keep speaking the truth! I love how you put the spotlight on them!
We need attorneys general in all free states to write letters to all credit card companies telling them that if they do this, they will not be allowed to do business in their states. If those states don't already have laws forbidding the compilation of de facto gun registries, or any type of personally-identifiable documenting the free exercise of individuals' 2A rights, then they need to pass them ASAP.
Problem is about half the ag's are in on destroying the 2a:(
I went on their twitter and its the most disgustingly stupid place I've ever seen...seriously.
Any credit cards/banks that pull this shit will automatically and immediately lose all business that I do with them.
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That’s Invasion Of Privacy
they do it at govt request...
@@AMX86 That’s Still Invasion Of Privacy. I Will Sue Them & Buy Even More Guns.
This exact thing happened to me a couple days ago up here in Canada. Recent handgun order was declined, flagged with Visa and all purchases locked. Again, the same thing buying crypto only a few weeks earlier. Called my CC company and threatened to escalate the issue and cancel my card if they didn't unlock it which they did. These banks and CC companies will stop and nothing to regulate client purchases now. Planning to get a secure card going forward, these credit groups can stuff it.
I have found out that even if you have a secured card through visa they will still decline the purchase. I have 5000.00 dollar secured card specifically for internet use even if its your own money they can and will decline your purchase. Tie your crypto directly to your saving account (secondary savings minimal funds) direct withdrawal. As far as guns, use cash, sometimes you can find a friend who has many weapons and is looking to off load one or two take advantage of that.
Yesterday I walked into the "Black Market" to purchase a gun and the checkout lady was so nice to me.
Two weeks ago I got a call on my cell phone from Gifford's wanting me to donate to their anti gun cause. I told them I didn't agree with theirs stance on the second amendment. The fellow said really. I said yes I am donating heavily to GOA and FPC to protect the second amendment and to protect our rights to defend ourselves. He hung up on me. I guess he didn't have much of a sense of humor.
Shouldn't we just pressure financial institutes not to disclose our private information/spending habits?
We could try But the institutions are a lot more heavily influenced not only by the left anti gun lobbies but the WEF. Of which I'm sure has a hand in this. How else are they going to force their mandates on us
Big TECH, Big credit, and BIG GOVERNMENT doesn't care.
@@crewchief5144 they are trying to make a modern Nazi Reich in America
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I guess the gun manufacturers need to put out their own credit cards.
This won't stop anything. You can literally just transfer the amount that you need from your credit card to another card via PayPal, Venmo, Cashapp, etc. or just buy a bunch of Vanilla gift cards or load up a prepaid card then buy whatever you need, and there will be no visible firearm transaction on your credit card or bank statement.
Back when Chicago, started giving out gift cards instead of cash in their " gun buy back" scheme, a local suburban Sportsman s club rounded up a large bunch of old worn out, and otherwise decrepit firearms, and turned them all in and gleefully, went out and purchased, a number of brand new guns, and enough ammunition to keep their youth training program shooting for years, of course somebody didn't keep their mouths shut, and a local reporter, got a hold of it, the next thing you know, the gift cards, are flagged with a code, that doesn't allow them to be used, for the purchase of firearms or ammunition. If the companies issuing those cards can do that, what's to stop them from coding other cards as well?
PayPal is also anti-gun.
While less convenient, nothing stops Cash sales either.
@@MegidramonX They want to get rid of cash too. Then what you going to do?
@@Physics072 They're not going to get rid of cash. You're entering the 'Too paranoid' area, might want to reel yourself in before it consumes you.
I am being 100% serious with that, not trying to insult or undermine. But that just wouldn't be feasible in any way, shape or form.
Sounds like a class action to me
We need to start standing up to these bullies
That is not going to happen....
We can't, because then they will point their fingers and say, see! They ARE dangerous! And then it'll get worse faster.
I'm not saying we have to sit back and take it. But standing up or pushing back, isn't gonna happen.
Well said.. tyranny is getting worse..
I think he missed the part about the suspicious activity where they suddenly start buying a bunch of weapons the party was missing was how they were being coached online by FBI and how all of those purchases suddenly were getting passed even if the guy had a previous record that seems to be a major contributing factor more so than the method that they used to pay
The thing yeah they spent so it like the Vegas shooter but there is antique guns that go for thousands of dollars what if you spend 4,000 for a civil war era rifle and put it on your cc and they deny you that is what his point is they want cc companies to track or deny people buying using cc
Yeah "Bought with credit cards" is a funny way of saying "Feds all but gave them permission."
That would likely be easy to defeat by using a non banking company /app like BLUR that offers disposable credit card numbers and all the CC company will see is a charge from this company, not who you actually bought from.
like a green dot card or something ?
asking for a friend .
Or just use cash.
Until they figure it out, and ban that as well.
Many companies already only report a purchase amount to the card company to circumvent these policies.
Last gun I bought showed up in my statement as just a $xxxxx purchase from that company...which doesn't only sell guns.
They sent me an detailed invoice via email in case there was a need to return it.
Would probablg be flagged as suspicuous just for being 'not transparent' 😅
- In 2012, $9000 over 2 months
That is one decent rifle, some accessories, and some ammo, per month, for two months.
- In 2016, $26000 over 12 days
That's ammo for single range day for the office.
- In 2017, $94000 over 12 months
That is ~8000 a month, which I suppose is a lot for most people but I can see a well-off enthusiast (rich or business owner or something) spending this much on a hobby.
None of this seems particularly suspicious to me.
2012 that is one hellaciously overpriced rifle plus all that other. You people are crazy if you're willing to pay that much out the ass just for whatever name brand. I suppose the alternative explanation is that I'm just a cheap ass poor person who isn't willing to spend over a grand on a singular gun.
@@ram89572 A lot of times, you're paying for known reliability and quality. When it comes to tools people might depend on to save lives, some folks feel like it's better to spare no expense. So you get your Daniel Defense rifle, your Surefire weapon light, your EOTech optic, your PEQ-15, your Team Wendy helmet, your PVS-14, your body armor.... We're starting to get close to $9k, right?
And sure, you could build a great rifle for less than a DD. You could use a chinesium Olight instead of a Surefire. You could use a Swampfox optic instead of something EOTech or Aimpoint. Some off-brand IR, a chinese ballistic helmet, Call of Duty Special Edition "night vision", and some AR-500 plate that will kill you with the shrapnel from the bullets it stops.... But there's a lot of good reasons why the door kickers in the police and military often decide not to cheap out on gear. And depending on your potential defensive situations, some or all of those things might also apply to you!
@@theKashConnoisseur And when I only make $36k a year I'm not about to drop a quarter of that on some fancy names just because it might have half a percent less of a chance of failing right in that one single moment in time when I suddenly needed it or else I was going to for sure die. That whole argument of "surely you only want 'the best' because of this one potential moment in the potential future where you might potentially die if you don't have this very specific item" doesn't work on me. When I can get 95% of the gun for 1/7th the price then why wouldn't I do that instead.
It's the same argument for all the people foolish enough to go to out of state universities when they could have gotten the same degree from one within their own state for a fraction of the cost. Sure maybe at some potential point the name of whatever school they went to might make the difference but was that potential really worth them wasting so much more money that they will never pay off.
@@ram89572 you could always start by aspiring to a higher paying job. You're making $15,000 less per year than the average American. Imagine if you lived your same life as now but had an extra $15,000 at the end of each year. Wouldn't it begin to make sense then? Obviously, when you're neck deep in The Struggle, buying expensive shit is off limits.
@@theKashConnoisseur It's funny that you think I could find a higher paying job. That isn't going to happen where I live. And I'm not going to move. I was born down here, my family land is down here, and I will die down here. I'm not about to move to a damn city somewhere just to try to find a job that pays more and give up all my rights in the process. What I can tell you is that if I made another $15k a year without changing my life then I would certainly be able to pay off all my bills more easily and maybe could actually get some nicer things like maybe a modern tractor with a cab and a/c. That would be nice, but that isn't my life. So I will continue to use my Workmaster from the '50s and my John Deere 1530 from the '70s. If I had extra money, maybe I'd finally be able to have a nice concrete foundation poured and a garage built with a 2 post lift in it to make working on my vehicles easier. There's a lot of things I could do if I had more money. Unless I win the lottery though, those things will remain unrealized dreams
Credit Card Companies have no right to flag our purchases of gun's and ammo. That would be Unconstitutional.
The shooters also bought McDonald's
And the bigger picture here is it creates A REGISTRY! They might not know exactly what firearm you have but they'll know you have a firearm that uses that type of ammo??? Every thing they do concerning tracking is to know who has what!
I could spend $350 at my local gun store tomorrow and walk out with 1000 rounds of 9mm. Or spend the same money on a gun case, several jackets and gloves. Or spend the same money on some ammo and a jacket. Right now, the credit card company only gets told the total to charge, not the content of my cart. The store would have to ring up ammo/guns as one transaction using one merchant code, and other stuff in a separate transaction, using a different merchant code. Bottom line, even the ammo/gun transaction wouldn't tell the type of gun or ammo, not without a major overhaul of the credit system to have individual items posted. It would be easier to legislate federally what California has done - make ammo purchases go through the same background check as gun purchases. "50 round of 9mm? Sure, no problem. 100 rounds? Here's a 4473 to fill out to buy that."
They allready know, everytime you buy at an ffl:)
If companies actually tried this, it'd turn into an "All you can sue" buffet faster than the credit card companies' lawyers can shit themselves.
nope, this is part of the disarmament
00:47 He says "26 THOUSAND dollars" as if that's some insane amount for guns. 🤣
This really makes sense for 2 reasons.
The first being that things are so expensive right now (thanks sleepy Joe), that the only way some people might be able to purchase a gun to protect themselves with, is with a credit card.
The second being that this helps support their social credit system they want to push so much. Think about that, a credit system having a say over what freedoms you're allowed to excersise.
Sounds like social media especially after Zuckerberg admitted what he did on Joe Rogan's Show recently about the FBI coming to him with no official paperwork telling him that they were going to need him to help dissuade Russian disinformation only weeks before Hunter Biden's laptop became public
Pre-crime anyone? You're guilty of a crime, no matter what.
Businesses need to switch to Parallel Economy and drop the major processors now.
In Illinois they stopped putting the exp. date on your foid card so that when you buy ammo you have to basically have a back ground check
So many people should either be deported or at the very least barred from voting. The Constitution is the very basic foundation of our country and legal system. If you at the bare minimum can't even respect that then you quite literally shouldn't even be allowed to be here. Or at the least not making decisions via voting anymore. I feel like their type of mindset wouldn't have been tolerated 90% of this country's history.
we could go back to only land owners voting
@@twistedlimb4053 I could buy 1sqft of land on some huge lot with a bunch of other people, boom I'm a land owner.
@@Razor-gx2dq A land owner that has proof of residence at said property.
@@Razor-gx2dq and a Scottish Lord or Lady. I can't tell from here.
IDK I think this is constitutional terrorism.
The moment my credit card company starts tracking my purchases by specific line items rather than generic book keeping categories is the day they are no longer my credit card company.
i think this went through today... crazy
Is there organization out there where someone can join to help through the legal system to push back these unconstitutional laws and bills that are trying to pass? It is getting ridiculous how they don’t appreciate our right to self defense.
Yes: Gun Owners of America. They're heavily involved in legal push-back, and they do not compromise!
Firearms Policy Coalition, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America, National Association for Gun Rights just for starters.
Apparently I am a really suspicious person. Just went through a thousand rounds in a training class. I need a couple more thousand for the one in September.
Never mind that I am retired military and was a sworn LEO for 5 years. I AM THE MULITIA!
Good reason to pay cash for 2A purchases
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This is a violation of the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendment!!!!!!
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Already targeted, Citi card lowered my credit limit by $3000.00, the amount I paid on the card. One monthly statement had one pew-pew purchase with multiple mag purchases. I guess if pay off the balance; the credit limit will drop to zero.
I love your vids mr noir keep up the great work also isn’t that a invasion of privacy
The IRS looks pretty suspicious with all their purchases.
The credit card companies can get all the information about what guns you buy all they want it's very easy to go to a ATM and get cash to pay for guns and ammo.
Bruh the moment you buy 3 or more firearms the ATF is knocking on your door
I know it sounds dumb but I truly would like to test that theory. Now if only I could afford 3 more guns at one time lol
It's also a form of gun registration, in addition to having our information tied to guns with address, endangering gun owners from people who get the information to go out and steal guns
They want a track and trace registry, done trying to be peaceful with these people. There is no end, except when we are ended.