To be fair to "Klingon cloaking being broken at every plot opportunity", Klingons never invested as much research into keeping their cloaking tech state-of-the-art as the Romulans. Data's tachyon detection net didn't work forever against Romulans, and even the gravimetric eddies caused by a ship's movement was neutralized by the time the Scimitar hit the scene.
@@theequalizer9154 yes, but a tense alliance like that neither side would give the best they had, so the Klingons got last gen cloaks and the Romulans got a hull that were a dime a dozen in the Klingon empire
@@David-jt9nt Even if they started at the same point, the Klingons invested more in arms and armor than they did in keeping their cloaking tech on the cutting edge, unlike the Romulans, so they drifted apart within a century.
According to 'canon' back when TOS was on air (yes, I am that old and, yes, I rode dinosaurs as a baby), the Enterprise was supposedly capable of engaging three D-7s simultaneously... and that would be an even fight.
From what I recall, the Bird of Prey design was a joint Klingon-Romulan design (during their first brief alliance against the Federation), hence looking more like a Klingon ship but having the curves and name of a Romulan lineage. Take a Romulan Bird of Prey, stick a D7-style neck and bridge section on it, and make the wings have a pivot point for alternate attack spreads and atmospheric maneuverability.
Of course, the *true* story behind the Romulabs having Klingon battlecruisers is thst the Romulsn warbird model from Balance of Terror was dropped by a PA and severely damaged or destroyed. Shatner and Takei are believed to know the identity of that PA, but have declined to reveal it. Not sure if Waltdr Koenig knows.
The Bird of Prey was designed off the look of a Klingon Canadian Goose, and if you have a problem with Klingon Canadian Gooses then you have a problem with me and suggest you let that one marinate.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail and every way shape and form provided on this format and subject matter on the Klingon D'7 Class Battle Cruisers and the K'tinga class upgraded version as shown with in your presentation, And on all of its functions, abilities and engin capabilities and on their sheild strengths and various different weapons systems and duties and missions required by them indeed Sir!👌.
Waàay back in 1979, I had a Matchbox car sized "matching pair" of the Enterprise and a Katenga class battle cruiser released in relation to the Motion picture. The Katenga might have been the D-7 des😢because it was simpler and less Aztec'd than the Katenga shown in your footage. It was among my favorite space ship toys as a child and love it so much more than a Bird of Prey.
In the TOS novel "The Kobayashi Maru" Mr. Scott explains that the Klingons D7 could do what was called shield shearing, when in a tight formation they can have the shields of each ship join into a larger shield to cover the whole formation of D7's. Grate novel if you what to see how each of the old crew did in their version of the Kobayashi Maru test. Not each test was the same. Fun read. Oh FYI Sulu passed.
I hate that they call the Klingon ships k'tinga class in SNW. Those are later upgrades of the D7, from around the time of the Constitution refit class in the movie era, they should not be around pre TOS.
Love the content as always. Hulk Klingon, apart form being a truly scary idea, how about Hulkling if he’s a little fella… and we’ll pretty much anything else if he’s huge? May be HulkOn?
There are influences predating Warhammer. The Stormbird is the fighter-bomber variant of the Messerschmitt Me-262, the world's first operation jet fighter. The pure fighter/interceptor variant was called the "Schwalbe" or Swallow. You can look it up right here on TH-cam. It was really a remarkable piece of aeronautical engineering. I think there's a non-flying example at the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum. When my mother went, there was a shooting model of the TOS U.S.S. Enterprise there as well. JAMES
I was wondering how do they explain the newest Klingon looks and keep it in cannon? It took me a while to understand the last change. So please pretend you are explaining to Gilligan. Thank you Star Trek forever
I know your comment is old, so you may know already, but it's just _some_ of them. The virus that made the Klingons look like that didn't affect all Klingons.
Defending the Defiant when it was getting it's ass handed by the Borg. Which I made add IS WHAT IT WAS BUILT TO FIGHT. The E came in like the Total Bad Ass it is and saved it and took the borg cube down with little effort. So which ship is better????
One might argue that Enterprise came in late but just in time to pick up the pieces the Defiant left over after fighting the cube for hours. Not to mention Picard's little listening in on the collective. If Worf had had that kind of information, the Defiant would have been doing a victory dance around Earth using their pulse phasers as strobe lighting by the time the Enterprise hit the scene.
@@pheumann86 Funny thing is we don't know if the Defiant was fighting for a long time. It could also have arrived 20 minutes before the Enterprise. The Defiant class ship is not as tough as everyone THINKS it is. Hell it couldn't deal with an Upgraded Excelsior Class ship. What was the pounding it was taking from that??? HEAVY POUNDING and barely held on. The Enterprise E has proven it's self in Battle. The Defiant got lucky that it had help when it did. Plus Worf is an idiot. HE LOST THE ENTERPRISE E, his first official command and he lost the damn ship.
I'm pretty sure the Defiant class was supposed to be produced in large numbers so they could fight the Borg in wolf-pack formations. It's far too small a ship to take on one cube by itself.
@@donaldnoell5378 Defiant was part of the original fleet assembled to stop the cube. In fact we can hear Worf on the subspace channel from the battle. Enterprise was still patrolling the Neutral Zone when that started, so it would at least take several hours to get back to Earth. And again, Enterprise didn't fight that thing for hours on end, they swooped in, got hit by one tractor beam (cool, they survived that!) and then did the "let's all hit that part of the target" attack run and that's all she had to endure. How is that even a comparison?
18:20 Matt Jefferies was FREAKIN GENIUS creator.. I love that you've given him so many props in this vid.. he truly was underappreciated during his time... he should have been granted SO MUCH MORE in life! On a SAD NOTE.. you just HAD to include the Discover bastardized IDIOTIC klingons into this didn't you.. we REALLY need to do a reset and forget ANY of that EVER happened because it sucked SOOO BAD!
@@kevinoverbeck4250 still,this looks like the one in snw and I value continuity and, however this would be a lot better if they explain that this is actually a D-6 because there is no canon design and looks a lot like the Axanar D-6 design
Ta'vmah was a religious sect. Klingons either mutated themselves for faith or got proper craninal reconstruction, or, came from a planet unaffected. Easily explained.
Why in the world isn't the enterprise the top of the line ship in the star fleet ? They have the excelsior & the USS Zheng he . The enterprise has been in numerous battle .with Klingons, romulans. Borg & countless others .
Everyone knows this, he said that because Strange New Worlds and Discovery are directly connected, and the Klingon ships before the D7 was shown were very different.
That was in Universe, out of universe they do come from TOS. In Universe they came after the Klingon Empire was united after the Klingon-Federation war of 2256-2257
It had equivalent firepower, but was less maneuverable. Because they had been so mass-produced, however, they were extensively refitted again and again, remaining in service well into the mid 24th century. Eventually their role as heavy cruiser was replaced by the Vor'cha, with fleet command being generally filled by the Negh'Var battleship.
They just didn't see the point in drinking alcohol. If they were allergic to it the Romulans would also be, and yet Romulan ale was one of the most popular drinks in the galaxy
The Romulans are the masters of cloaking technology, not the Klingons. It does not matter how many times you show a Klingon vessel with this tech. The Romulans were the smoother operators.
D7 has become a necessity to make audience ease with the StarTrek Discovery after that stupid Victorian Style interior designed Sarcophagus disaster and the other meaningless ship designs of that era for their understanding of Klingon (?!) but to become canon. Klingon understanding of producer’s was the most insulting approach for the entire history of Klingon Empire🤔🤨🤨
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The D7/K'tinga is one of my absolute favorite ships of all time.
To be fair to "Klingon cloaking being broken at every plot opportunity", Klingons never invested as much research into keeping their cloaking tech state-of-the-art as the Romulans. Data's tachyon detection net didn't work forever against Romulans, and even the gravimetric eddies caused by a ship's movement was neutralized by the time the Scimitar hit the scene.
Didn't the Klingons get cloaking technology from the Romulans? They once had an alliance.
@@theequalizer9154 yes, but a tense alliance like that neither side would give the best they had, so the Klingons got last gen cloaks and the Romulans got a hull that were a dime a dozen in the Klingon empire
@@David-jt9nt Even if they started at the same point, the Klingons invested more in arms and armor than they did in keeping their cloaking tech on the cutting edge, unlike the Romulans, so they drifted apart within a century.
@@griffinsummoner o ya, but I was just pointing out one more thing that would add on to the separation of the 2
@@theequalizer9154
Correct. Plus Klingons could replicate the technology, but not improve on it, even though they tried over centuries.
According to 'canon' back when TOS was on air (yes, I am that old and, yes, I rode dinosaurs as a baby), the Enterprise was supposedly capable of engaging three D-7s simultaneously... and that would be an even fight.
I prefer the stegosaurus myself. 😊
@@xedanis101 They were a little bony to ride on!
Baby triceratops my favorite as was D7/K'tinga class! Yayyy!
No way. Saavak ran from 3 cruisers. They could handle maybe 2 at the most with luck on their side.
@@naj5338 As I said, this was long ago when the tv series was on air.
That fire sequence both aroused me and makes me want to invoke the great philosophy Beavis: FIRE FIRE FIRE FIRE.
“I am Cornholio! I need TP for my bunghole! Bungholio!” -“The Wise Words and Wisdoms of Beavis”
I might get some hate for this but I honestly like the D7 over the Bird of Prey.
The D7 has a classic look...looks ominous and a kick ass reputation...thanks for posting this
From what I recall, the Bird of Prey design was a joint Klingon-Romulan design (during their first brief alliance against the Federation), hence looking more like a Klingon ship but having the curves and name of a Romulan lineage. Take a Romulan Bird of Prey, stick a D7-style neck and bridge section on it, and make the wings have a pivot point for alternate attack spreads and atmospheric maneuverability.
Of course, the *true* story behind the Romulabs having Klingon battlecruisers is thst the Romulsn warbird model from Balance of Terror was dropped by a PA and severely damaged or destroyed. Shatner and Takei are believed to know the identity of that PA, but have declined to reveal it. Not sure if Waltdr Koenig knows.
The Bird of Prey was designed off the look of a Klingon Canadian Goose, and if you have a problem with Klingon Canadian Gooses then you have a problem with me and suggest you let that one marinate.
The klingon battlecruiser is my favourite ship in trek!
I liked how on Discovery the D7 was the first ship of the reunited Klingon Empire.
Love your commentary, highly entertaining and informative at the same time, keep doing what your doing. :)
Your excellent Klingon reminded me of the old Fraiser episode where he gives his son Batmitzva speech in Klingon.
You are a very strange human being. I truly love when you go off on a rant which is quite often. It reminds me of myself.
If we building more motherships and planetary stations rather than warships, we will stronger for further galactic travel.
7:36-7:43
At least we got the Defiant-A at the end of DS9, and we saw it again in Picard Season 3 as a Museum Ship.
D-7 is my personal favorite Starship. I would love to see more of the designs on screen.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail and every way shape and form provided on this format and subject matter on the Klingon D'7 Class Battle Cruisers and the K'tinga class upgraded version as shown with in your presentation, And on all of its functions, abilities and engin capabilities and on their sheild strengths and various different weapons systems and duties and missions required by them indeed Sir!👌.
Waàay back in 1979, I had a Matchbox car sized "matching pair" of the Enterprise and a Katenga class battle cruiser released in relation to the Motion picture. The Katenga might have been the D-7 des😢because it was simpler and less Aztec'd than the Katenga shown in your footage. It was among my favorite space ship toys as a child and love it so much more than a Bird of Prey.
gotta love Ermintrude
Where do you pin the Christopher Pike Medal of Valor on a Tribble? Under the left ventral thwang, obviously. Shesh, expert my asp.
You need to be a writer for lower decks for sure!!!!!
In the TOS novel "The Kobayashi Maru" Mr. Scott explains that the Klingons D7 could do what was called shield shearing, when in a tight formation they can have the shields of each ship join into a larger shield to cover the whole formation of D7's.
Grate novel if you what to see how each of the old crew did in their version of the Kobayashi Maru test. Not each test was the same. Fun read. Oh FYI Sulu passed.
I'm enough of a nerd to know that at one point you were just shouting klingon vulgarities at me :P
1:41 "That goof slipped through so many webs, theTholains are demanding a refund." I should not have been drinking soda at ths moment.
Though Unofficial, the FASA Star Trek Combat Simulator Boardgame DID refer to the D-7 AS the 'D-7' in the 1980's.
Vampires love this ship.
"...Chancellor Mommy..."
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@ 8:39 - I would watch that one. I like Lower Decks.
Ah, Adam is BAAAAACK! 👍🏼Now, say all that in Swahili! 😉 As for the subject matter, I likey and want more.
I'm a linguaphile, don't tempt me into trying! 😂
I hate that they call the Klingon ships k'tinga class in SNW. Those are later upgrades of the D7, from around the time of the Constitution refit class in the movie era, they should not be around pre TOS.
well klingon should be your language of choice :D
I love the fand made D7 eagle moss heiio
That design is a work of art!
Love the content as always. Hulk Klingon, apart form being a truly scary idea, how about Hulkling if he’s a little fella… and we’ll pretty much anything else if he’s huge? May be HulkOn?
One flaw, the long neck
The long, zero purpose neck….why build a 200 meter long tunnel to get to a bridge? And why have a bridge forward facing at all?
There are influences predating Warhammer. The Stormbird is the fighter-bomber variant of the Messerschmitt Me-262, the world's first operation jet fighter. The pure fighter/interceptor variant was called the "Schwalbe" or Swallow. You can look it up right here on TH-cam. It was really a remarkable piece of aeronautical engineering. I think there's a non-flying example at the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum. When my mother went, there was a shooting model of the TOS U.S.S. Enterprise there as well.
JAMES
I too am a fan of the vor'cha and Negh'Var but let's just be honest here if your using a Neg'Var You better PRAY you have plot armor to go against it.
K'tinga class the grand daddy of them all :)
Imagine if Mrs Bucket was a Klingon Captain.... that would be funny
I really hope you make a video about the Sarcophagus. I'd love to see your take on the ship of the dead
...didn't the K'tinga get the rear torpedo launcher not the d7?
Yes, but we never knew that the D7 didn't.
The D7 refit in the DS9 episode involving Space Station K7 it had a rear torpedo launcher.
My favorite Sci-Fi ship!
Why nobody mentioned, that the D7 was in Star Trek Enterprise Season 1?
7:34 you better check yourself, when even mentioning Sisko's pimp hand!
I was wondering how do they explain the newest Klingon looks and keep it in cannon? It took me a while to understand the last change. So please pretend you are explaining to Gilligan. Thank you Star Trek forever
Where can I get some pictures of that fan made "super D-7" and the accompanying Bird of prey from this video?
The ships in the original series were brilliant designs.
Freakazoid:Hey kid wann a be a Klingon?
Shouldn't the Klingons of this era look human? Didn't they lose their ridges during captain Archers time on the NX Enterprise?
I know your comment is old, so you may know already, but it's just _some_ of them. The virus that made the Klingons look like that didn't affect all Klingons.
Why is there 'at least' two Characters in ST:TOS who look like Liberace ?
Did anyone notice the kelvin timeline like phaser bolt the tos enterprise was firing
Can you please do one about the Sampson class , it's not Canon but it's neat , thank you..
We could look at that! Can you link me which one you mean?
- Jack
@TrekCentral I'm not good at this computer stuff. 🤔 do you do a link ??
Defending the Defiant when it was getting it's ass handed by the Borg. Which I made add IS WHAT IT WAS BUILT TO FIGHT. The E came in like the Total Bad Ass it is and saved it and took the borg cube down with little effort. So which ship is better????
One might argue that Enterprise came in late but just in time to pick up the pieces the Defiant left over after fighting the cube for hours. Not to mention Picard's little listening in on the collective. If Worf had had that kind of information, the Defiant would have been doing a victory dance around Earth using their pulse phasers as strobe lighting by the time the Enterprise hit the scene.
@@pheumann86 Funny thing is we don't know if the Defiant was fighting for a long time. It could also have arrived 20 minutes before the Enterprise. The Defiant class ship is not as tough as everyone THINKS it is. Hell it couldn't deal with an Upgraded Excelsior Class ship. What was the pounding it was taking from that??? HEAVY POUNDING and barely held on. The Enterprise E has proven it's self in Battle. The Defiant got lucky that it had help when it did. Plus Worf is an idiot. HE LOST THE ENTERPRISE E, his first official command and he lost the damn ship.
I'm pretty sure the Defiant class was supposed to be produced in large numbers so they could fight the Borg in wolf-pack formations. It's far too small a ship to take on one cube by itself.
@@donaldnoell5378 Defiant was part of the original fleet assembled to stop the cube. In fact we can hear Worf on the subspace channel from the battle. Enterprise was still patrolling the Neutral Zone when that started, so it would at least take several hours to get back to Earth.
And again, Enterprise didn't fight that thing for hours on end, they swooped in, got hit by one tractor beam (cool, they survived that!) and then did the "let's all hit that part of the target" attack run and that's all she had to endure. How is that even a comparison?
bird of pray had a tailpipe
18:20 Matt Jefferies was FREAKIN GENIUS creator.. I love that you've given him so many props in this vid.. he truly was underappreciated during his time... he should have been granted SO MUCH MORE in life! On a SAD NOTE.. you just HAD to include the Discover bastardized IDIOTIC klingons into this didn't you.. we REALLY need to do a reset and forget ANY of that EVER happened because it sucked SOOO BAD!
interesting. do you think matt jefferies' shuttle be in the second season??
I thought the Klingons sold the Romulans excess D6 light cruisers, not D7 heavies
Why does the thumbnail look so different from a D-7?
Its just a cool artist's rendition of the D7 the author decided to use. Its pretty neat looking.
@@kevinoverbeck4250 still,this looks like the one in snw and I value continuity and, however this would be a lot better if they explain that this is actually a D-6 because there is no canon design and looks a lot like the Axanar D-6 design
you forgot pipis claw and heart of targ
Ta'vmah was a religious sect. Klingons either mutated themselves for faith or got proper craninal reconstruction, or, came from a planet unaffected. Easily explained.
Needs mow SFB.
The husnock warship is far more hard core. 8000 meters front to back
Space Hulk would rip off warhammer, so Void Hulk?
Those were some really nice designes... and then comes Star Trek Discovery. What the hell is that mess of a kligon ship? :D
Thereis no Enterprise G. There is only the Titan A
Klingon Vor’cha-class
Or Klingon Cleave ship My two choices if I had to use Klingon ship
Or Negh'Var
@@KeysundKreisPlaylists_Colt that good one too
I agree
@@deadronin47 yes this ship could take so much damage in ds7 and it didn't care 😄
@@KeysundKreisPlaylists_Colt true
Why in the world isn't the enterprise the top of the line ship in the star fleet ? They have the excelsior & the USS Zheng he . The enterprise has been in numerous battle .with Klingons, romulans. Borg & countless others .
Like the back of the ship, the front seems silly in design you have all these angles in the back and then a bulbous front.
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Captain.
Chintoka doesn't exist 😂
AKA Starfleet's worst nightmare.
ptak!
The Bird of Prey design was stolen from the Romulan Star Empire!
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you know during that episode of star trek picard i think i saw a defiant class in that battle of chin'toka debris field XD jk
D7 Lambchop battlecruiser
The d7 came out of 60s from the original series and the 1st movie not discovery I liked the original d7
Everyone knows this, he said that because Strange New Worlds and Discovery are directly connected, and the Klingon ships before the D7 was shown were very different.
That was in Universe, out of universe they do come from TOS. In Universe they came after the Klingon Empire was united after the Klingon-Federation war of 2256-2257
That poor long neckkkkkkkk 😮
Klulk is the obvious answer 😂
Why can u guys make models of this type
The B10 is the best...
I'm still waiting for a version retrofitted with warp nacelles.
D 5 battery ship
The bad decision was when you thought you could do comedy 😂
Can't this be beaten by the constitution class
It had equivalent firepower, but was less maneuverable. Because they had been so mass-produced, however, they were extensively refitted again and again, remaining in service well into the mid 24th century. Eventually their role as heavy cruiser was replaced by the Vor'cha, with fleet command being generally filled by the Negh'Var battleship.
I thought vulcans were allergic to alcohol. ?
he is half human so only half allergic?
Must have sucked when they met Zephram Cochrane!
They just didn't see the point in drinking alcohol. If they were allergic to it the Romulans would also be, and yet Romulan ale was one of the most popular drinks in the galaxy
@@justinbeath5169 good point
I totally disagree! Negh'Var is the best klingon warship.
Qapla'
And how many mistakes did you count🙄
2 days ago
The Romulans are the masters of cloaking technology, not the Klingons. It does not matter how many times you show a Klingon vessel with this tech. The Romulans were the smoother operators.
Klingon early designs have a long neck that looks seriously weak, a couple torpedoes coukd break that thing in half
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Perhaps today *IS* a good day to die!
Tribbles Curse her names
D7 has become a necessity to make audience ease with the StarTrek Discovery after that stupid Victorian Style interior designed Sarcophagus disaster and the other meaningless ship designs of that era for their understanding of Klingon (?!) but to become canon.
Klingon understanding of producer’s was the most insulting approach for the entire history of Klingon Empire🤔🤨🤨
Best ship in Trek. But the remastered effects are video game quality and awful.
Didn't expect you to speak Klingon well because you weren't doing too good with English either. 😉😜🤣 Lol
lol...let's speak galactic language :)
Greetings' ham sandwich...
nuqDaq 'oH puchpa'e'?
Kapla adam.
Romulan ships look better