Starfleet being cheap? No. They would have to go out of their way to purposely make it look like that. No matter how many excuses people make, one cannot escape the simple fact that it was two vastly different models simply glued together. For a quick shot of a destroyed hull in Wolf 359's graveyard scene, it was fine. By choosing to use it later on as an active ship, they could have at least smoothed out some of the raiders blocky surface so that it blended better with the Voyager, and add some real nacelles...ANYTHING to make it flow better. It really wouldn't have taken much effort at all to fix the model up just a bit for use in DS9. Very minor work could have made a world of difference. As it stands, it is among the bottom three in completely lazy ideas and the number one spot for ugliest thing ever to be made for Starfleet. If it was made as a backwater planet Star Wars ship, it would be fine. For Starfleet? Forget it.
I liked the New Orleans class myself. I always kind of head cannoned it as a precursor to the Galaxy class. Kind of a smaller scale test bed for some of the tech that went into the Galaxy that ended up doing well enough on its own to build a few more.
So... one thing that seems to be consistently missed when talking about Adam Buckner's original Centaur kitbash: the ship was originally contructed with a Miranda class bridge module. The scale of the excelsior saucer and shuttle bay were from a smaller scale model, and so the saucer is very clearly much smaller than an excelsior saucer. Buckner even included some larger windows to imply that the saucer was indeed smaller than an Excelsior saucer. The Eaglemoss recreation of the Centaur ignored this, and that model was recently used on Prodigy... so I guess it's been officially retconned. But I would maintain that unless we assume those torpedo tubes are GIGANTIC, the saucer should still be smaller than an Excelsior's.
The 3 "pods" on the New Orleans are designed to be housing for the experimental long range precision triangulator for astrometric surveys. (Or off-the-record can be used for extremely long range torpedo targeting) The equipment was designed by one Professor Marcus Stabilo and his research crew fondly calls the long range device the Highlighter because it lights up the target for all the sector to see. Officially, Professor Stabilo called it the Biased Oscillating Sensor System. On the field, it gets called the Stabilo BOSS Highlighter.
Ahhh... the good old Trinary Arrays. Don't fly too close in front of them, the radiation danger is severe enough that by the Iconian War of 2410, they're more often deployed as stop-gap heavy weapons than actual sensor suites. When you give a bunch of Federation Scientists free range to Science, sometimes they come up the most nasty unintentional toys.
I love the Centaur. I always wondered if the Excelsior would have it's smaller variant just like the Miranda and Nebula are to the Constitution refit and the Galaxy class. As soon as I saw it I was like "Ahhhh, there it is". One has to wonder if the Ambassador has a similar ship to compliment it.
I headcanon the Wambundu-class as that smaller Ambassador relative, somewhat, @?Control ? See also the design 'USS Pellucidar' online, for my favorite take.
4:49 Didn’t one of a Buckner’s tugs make it onto screen in “A Time To Stand” towing a damaged Excelsior? Same shot where the Curry-class appears? 22:57 not sure why it’s hard to find footage of it, it’s in a lot of the establishing shots of DS9 in Season 6. You won’t find anything of it actually doing anything though.
From the DS9 episode “The Maquis” indicates that the Maquis Raider was a modification of a popular courier and supply vessel so it is likely that the Yeager Class had a decent supply of retreating or requisitioned colonial and private vessels to use for the engineering hull.
Could you do a video on navigational deflectors, why Starfleet uses them when relatively few other powers do, and how Federation ships without them- Miranda, Challenger, etc- work?
Correction. Redemption part 2 the federation task force was 24 ships including enterprise. ( not 17 ) in the early dialogue they had 17 , but picard had words with the yardmaster and they rushed another 6 ships. 17 wasn't enough to make an effective net . Some ships were not quite ready for service, like the uss suterland wasn't finished yet . Her bridge and safety systems. Ect
And also, the Tolstoy is a separate ship, an (unseen) Rigel-class ship (NCC-62093) from the Chekov, and which is often given the description meant for the Niagara-class USS Princeton.
I really liked the New Orleans class, I wish we would have seen more of them during the Dominion War alongside the Nebula, Ambassador and Galaxy class. As ships representative of a more modern era.
I know what you're saying, but I don't think I'd consider the Nebula class a kitbash. To me a kitbash has the feel of slapping stuff together, whereas the Nebula was designed to look like the Galaxy's little sister. Calling the Nebula class a kitbash is like calling the Reliant in ST:WOK a kitbash.
Nebula was absolutely a kitbash, designed for no other reason than to destroy it and use for the graveyard scene. It is 100% a kitbash when originally conceived. It is just one that got a little more attention later on to make it more presentable as a viable ship to share the screen with Enterprise D (the platforms were an elemwnt added later, not present on the original graveyard kitbash). Even with the work it received over time, it still cannot escape the look of a blindfolded child sticking together and Enterprise D kit all wrong. Still, it is the best of the kitbashes and at least got some additional development in episodes where it was an actual star and not a background ship.
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Rest In Peace Greg Jein. Your legacy through Star Trek shall live on. My favorite kitbash will ALWAYS be the New Orleans class. I mean who doesn't love that ship? I mean yes it's mostly just 2 1/2500th Enterprise-D kits and some highlighters as well as the bridge part from the larger 1/1400th E-D kit. I left the bottom highlighter/pod off my model because I just hated seeing it there. In my humble opinion it looks better without it. Still it's beautiful and majestic in my opinion. I've got Starcrafts' model of the New Orleans and I absolutely just love it. I THINK the pods are supposed to be either torpedo launchers or some sort of sensor pods. I can ask Doug Drexler, he might know. The Centaur is probably my second favorite kitbash. The third I would have to say is the Cheyenne class. It's definitely unique. Especially the pylons and warp engines. Also one thing I always found puzzling, is when they first showed the Wolf 359 graveyard after the E-D got there before the commercial break, it showed the secondary hull of a Constitution Refit. Yet after the commercial break it was gone. I wondered why it vanished in the next shot and wondered whether or not that was an actual Constitution Refit that was pulled out of the mothballs for the battle of Wolf 359. By the way thanks for doing this video and Merry Christmas to everyone at Trek Central !
Video is great, love to see the ships. One that would have been forgotten is the Starfleet Runabout which was turned out and based on the class of ship that made up the USS Jenolan from that episode where Scotty wrecked into the Dyson Sphere, big difference being the warp engines and they flipped the jenolan upside down to make the runabout
Funny thing, I fell in love with the Jenolan for some unknown reason when I first saw that episode. Something about that tiny, old boxy looking ship appealed to me. Then when I first saw the Danube class runabouts I recognized them instantly and they became my new favorite. Since then I've been obsessed with the little ships. They just seem more "real" to me. Back when I fancied myself a writer I started on a story about a ship that was basically the bastard child of a Defiant class and a Danube. Ugly, slow, and bulky with less than half the firepower of a Defiant and much more spartan and cramped, but just as tough, if not tougher, and a lot more reliable. Designed to be "Ensign-proof" and way over built, using older systems salvaged from older starships. Originally meant to be a support and training ship, Starfleet rushed to build as many as they could during the Dominion War as a forlorn-hope "holdout" ship that could allow the Federation to at least maintain some semblance of resistance, or at least allow humanity to survive in some capacity.
I wonder why he didn’t point out that the reason the Yeager had so much technical screen time was because it was in the opening credits of DS Nine for quite a few seasons.
*the Smurf Class of ships might have been one of the more obscure class of ships that was assembled by some of the more remote colonies on the fringes of the Federations influence but it was reliable and easy to find parts for and overall was a very Smurfy ship*
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Springfield class must have been designed by Protoss, because they're always going on about needing additional pylons. Also, I actually kinda like how the Yeager class looks.
I always had a soft spot for Charlie Reynolds and the Centaur! Nice video. Where is the Yeager class in the ST Shipyards book? I can't find it in Starfleet ships books 2151-2293 or 2294-The Future.
@@TrekCentral Good video, and incredible photos of the Wolf 359 models, more detailed than usually seen before! A few small corrections though - the USS Tolstoy is a separate, unseen ship, often given the same description as for the USS Princeton. The Niagara (Princeton) is also probably only 480 metres, scaled to the nacelles, meantime. Oh, and Centaur had a Miranda bridge, initially. Plus, it may be an older ship after all, but opinion tends to vary. Happy Christmas!
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I would very much like to know what happened to that damaged Niagara Class model ship. I've not seen it in any catalogs, nor at any auctions heard of. Would love to know the status of that damaged ship from the Wolf 359 battle.
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I like the yaeger class it's the federation version of the Klingon bird of prey. There's also a couple of kitbash ships in the original era I can't remember all of them but I know one was a reliant saucer with the nacelles angled up it looked like the federation version of a romulan bird of prey from the original era
The 3 pods on the new Orleans class could be multiple purpose multi role pods capable of holding defensive and offensive systems as well as research and exploration systems etc.
Love it!!! I watched it again hoping to see some kitbash ships from the Picard season finale. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do an updated episode featuring any kitbash/STO ships in the finale.
I believe the New Orleans class' "pods" were prototype anti-Borg weapons with the class being put into service not long before the Battle of Wolf-359, but that could be apocryphal.
I believe the Excelsior II-Class was from Picard (the USS Excelsior (NCC-42037) and the USS Eureka); Lower Decks had the Obena-class (the USS Archimedes).
So, here's my headcanon for the Yeager: First of all, the secondary hull is not a Maquis raider. It just looks like one 😉 but is clearly bigger. The ship is an engineering research platform, a way to try out different warp cores, impulse engines and deflectors. So it's all modular and therefore "boxy" looking. During the Dominion war, they put her into regular service, maybe as courier between Deep Space stations. I don't even think she's ugly. Nothing can be as ugly as most of the ships we've gotten since! Even the Titan-A looks like a horrible retro-style fan design, imo.
"Kit bash" is real. after her completion, the Nuclear Guided Missile Cruiser USS Long Beach (CGN-9) didn't have any guns. She was designed with only missiles and torpedoes. Later, the USN realized she needed some type of gun system onboard, so they took a pair of surplus Mk-30 5"/38 single turrets, scavenged from WWII ships and mounted them amidships (where an aborted missiles system was originally intended to be). An even better example was the Garcia class Frigate. The US Navy had a new escort ship designed as an upgrade to the Bronstein class frigates. These ships carried a surplus 5"/38 forward and a new Mk-22 launcher for the RIM-66 Tartar surface to air missile. These were the Brooke class FFG. Unfortunately these ships were considered too expensive by Congress, who only funded 6 ships, No where near enough needed by the Navy. So they kit-bashed - stripping out the missile launcher and its expensive electronics (which was a large part of the ships cost) and replacing them with another surplus WWII single 5"/38 turret. These new, far less capable, ships were dubbed the Garcia class and 11 of them were built.
I love having a model of the Yaeger-class. It was never intended to be seen up close and rather a chance to fill a space far in the background of DS9 when watching in SD TV quality. They could have used something like the usual Excelsior class but that ws getting boring over and over all the time. At least, this time it was something completely different and kept people guessing what it was.
I don’t care what people say I like the Yeager class simply because it’s different and like you said it was built in an emergency and was supposed to look rough
Nobody seems to ever mention The Constitution variant with saucer and neck and the nacelles are attached to the lower end of the neck on two short pylons. Looks like a 2 nacelle Destroyer/ Scout like Franz Josephs Saladin/Hermes classes
I love the kit bash ship the Intrepid/constitution class starship variant. its a medium cruiser with 225 crew, a power plant of one 1500 plus cochrane warp core. length of 444.39 meters and beam of 133.44. hight 87.78 meters. its mass is 1300000 metric tones. its basically the saucer of the Intrepid put on top of 2 constitution hulls. just wish i could find more info on it. I have been told the the size should only be slightly longer than Voyager, so around 360 or so metres. Most of the other stats should be fairly close, though. im still trying to find more info on about it.
gonna catch some flak for this but i actually kinda like the Yeager class. oh it will never be on my top ten list and maybe even not my top 5 kitbash ships but i don't hate it. hell with some slight modifications it might be decent. mostly just smoothing the transitions between the two parts a bit a more would go a long way in improvements. i see the Raider half as looking somewhat unfinished. sort of like the Star Wars rebel Y-Wing that has so much of the armor plate missing. its like the build a rough engineering hull with parts the had on hand but didn't take the time to put a more curved looking outer shell on it. may having even been a test bed for the Phase cannons later used on the Defiant (not sure which one was constructed first).
I have a fondness for the Nebula since one of them is named after me. Outside of narcissism, I do like the overall design, especially with the triangular module. It just looks like a ship with a bad attitude. As for the Yeager class... I might be an odd one but I actually like the design. It looks aggressive and kind of like what I would imagine the result of a Klingon design influence on a Federation ship might produce.
question - how do the windows work? like if there are windows on the top of the saucer (new Orleans class)... is it a "sky light" window? and I saw there are windows underneath the saucer. is it a glass floor?
Windows work because they are transparent which lets light through. Light moves in all directions (Sarcasm of course) With the creation of Transparent Aluminium in 1986 (thanks to Scotty leaking the details) windows became a thing of the past. Now entire starbases could be constructed from a single material and with a simple application rendered transparent.
@@5c0u53 lol I meant like... Are the windows on the side of the walls? Or in the ceilings of the rooms? Because the saucer section has windows on top. So are they skylight windows?
01:42 to 01:50 anyone notice the GALAXY class ships aren't being attacked ? that 1 at 01:42 looked like it was saying : " SCREW YOU GUYS , I'M GOIN´ HOME "
... I'm going to say it I actually like the design of the Yeager Class It'd be interesting to see a refined version of it that blended the 2 aesthetics together into 1. And maybe put the deflector on the nose underneath the saucer
I always saw that weird ass Yeager class as "star trek in the front, star wars in the back" What a freak of nature... When I first saw it orbiting DS9 back in the 90's I didn't even think it was a Starfleet ship as my small 21" tv only let me see an odd-shaped blur.
The New Orleans' pods are probably modular mission loadout pods and probably make up for the smaller size of the vessel (as opposed to the Galaxy class) by allowing specialized equipment to be swapped out efficiently.
A Kit Bash on a local kid's show on Washington DC's Channel 20 hosted by spaceman Captain 20. They used parts of AMT's model kits USS Enterprise and parts of a Klingon D7 and displayed it upside down. I wish I could find a screen shot of it but so far no luck.
there is some other kitbash, or more like design reuse going on. there was TNG 5x09, a matter of time. the interior of the timepod was reused several times, some times as a federation shuttle, sometimes as some alien shuttle, etc. it's always recognizable because of the diamond shaped side appliances. I guess, shuttle interiors are expensive.
I'm getting serious FASA Star Fleet Battles flashbacks here. It's like a live action Ship Identification Manual - which was very early kitbashing and even called it such.
I don't see how the New Orleans class could have type 10 phasers, since they weren't even invented or in use until the late 2360's, after the class' launch. Unless they were upgraded after Wolf 359 or during the Dominion war. Also, it's not really kitbashed since it was built as an original, standalone type of starship.
I've found a shot of the Yeager class. It's five minutes into the Series 6 episode 'Waltz' in the wide shot of DS9 just after the opening credits. It's in the back left of shot.
The Nebula is definitely a kitbash. Someone tool apart a Galaxy class and then had another person put it together without knowing what it should have looked like, and that person put it together better than it was the first time. It's the best class in Trek.
I know people love to slam the Yeager class as a horrible design, however it would be interesting to see a Klingons take on the vessel They could "capture" an incomplete/damaged Intrepid class ship and using the warp systems of Vorcha class battlecruiser on it You know they'd add lots of weapons but they could use the ship a planetary assault style ship
The Yaeger never made any sense. Those Maquis fighters (which I think Starfleet also used in battles against the Dominion) are about the size of a runabout. It shouldn't be big enough to fit with an Intrepid saucer.
do a yeager-B hull. you take the appearance of the yeager dorsal view. so when you flip the model over. all that marquee ship areas are filled in. so you have smoother ship lines.
FUN FACT at WOLF 359 several OBERTH class ships randomly exploded BORG : " WE DIDN'T FIRE ON THEM " LOCUTUS : " THEY RANDOMLY EXPLODE ON THEIR OWN " BORG : " confused BORG noises "
The Yaeguer Class. Lose the tail fins, and replace it with a Intrepid backing without nacells and it would be perfect :3 Also my favorite frakenstine ship design :3
Love how in lower decks they took a page from the kitbashing days and made the California class to create a ship that made to feel like the third line workhorse that gets stuck with the boring and dirty jobs that goes with an interstellar power that usually gets overlooked by the audience in favour of the cool and flashy frontline explorers, science-ships and warships
I luv the Yeagar class. For a very simple reason. It looked like a larger fighter craft. Like the Marquee Raider and the Peregrine fighter ship.
I agree, a favorite of mine as well. I do think they could have enlarged the nacelles for a better look.
Starfleet being cheap? No. They would have to go out of their way to purposely make it look like that. No matter how many excuses people make, one cannot escape the simple fact that it was two vastly different models simply glued together. For a quick shot of a destroyed hull in Wolf 359's graveyard scene, it was fine. By choosing to use it later on as an active ship, they could have at least smoothed out some of the raiders blocky surface so that it blended better with the Voyager, and add some real nacelles...ANYTHING to make it flow better. It really wouldn't have taken much effort at all to fix the model up just a bit for use in DS9. Very minor work could have made a world of difference. As it stands, it is among the bottom three in completely lazy ideas and the number one spot for ugliest thing ever to be made for Starfleet. If it was made as a backwater planet Star Wars ship, it would be fine. For Starfleet? Forget it.
When you did the New Orleans class, you forgot to mention the USS Rutledge. O'Brien's ship he served on before the Enterprise.
I've always liked the Centaur class. It always looked like a no nonsense ship
I liked the New Orleans class myself. I always kind of head cannoned it as a precursor to the Galaxy class. Kind of a smaller scale test bed for some of the tech that went into the Galaxy that ended up doing well enough on its own to build a few more.
It was awesome seeing my clips in there! You guys made a great video!
I love the nebula class. That ship would have been more maneuverable and more heavily armed with the weapons pod.
Yes. I would prefer it before a galaxy with some upgrades.
Phaser rype XI, quantum torpedos, better shields and ablative armor would make it a beast.
Me too. As I kid I always role-played that I took over the USS Phoenix after Cpt. Maxwell was relieved of its command :)
Same here. I hated that in every game it kept being relegated as a toothless science ship.
Lt Commander Adam. Doing the lord's work.
Love hearing you talking about starships. Triple S level.
You see Johnny, when na Intrepid class and a Maquis raider develop really strong feelings for each other....😁
So... one thing that seems to be consistently missed when talking about Adam Buckner's original Centaur kitbash: the ship was originally contructed with a Miranda class bridge module. The scale of the excelsior saucer and shuttle bay were from a smaller scale model, and so the saucer is very clearly much smaller than an excelsior saucer. Buckner even included some larger windows to imply that the saucer was indeed smaller than an Excelsior saucer.
The Eaglemoss recreation of the Centaur ignored this, and that model was recently used on Prodigy... so I guess it's been officially retconned. But I would maintain that unless we assume those torpedo tubes are GIGANTIC, the saucer should still be smaller than an Excelsior's.
I do love that the Centaur and Nebula have become reasonably prominent and popular nowadays. Guess it spruces up the fleet
They deserved the love, they're great designs
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The Nebula-class is not a kitbash.
@@junglemoose2164 not nowadays, but the original design was created as Kitbashed wreckage for the Wolf 359 Aftermath.
The 3 "pods" on the New Orleans are designed to be housing for the experimental long range precision triangulator for astrometric surveys. (Or off-the-record can be used for extremely long range torpedo targeting)
The equipment was designed by one Professor Marcus Stabilo and his research crew fondly calls the long range device the Highlighter because it lights up the target for all the sector to see.
Officially, Professor Stabilo called it the Biased Oscillating Sensor System.
On the field, it gets called the Stabilo BOSS Highlighter.
Thank you, I thought they might be hangers for aircraft like shuttles and Fighters. Lol.
@@johnvaclavik773 It could be. The kit bashers might have considered them as multi-mission modules, and the contents change according to plot lol.
Aka she is AWACS
Ahhh... the good old Trinary Arrays. Don't fly too close in front of them, the radiation danger is severe enough that by the Iconian War of 2410, they're more often deployed as stop-gap heavy weapons than actual sensor suites. When you give a bunch of Federation Scientists free range to Science, sometimes they come up the most nasty unintentional toys.
very clever, good job!
I love the Centaur. I always wondered if the Excelsior would have it's smaller variant just like the Miranda and Nebula are to the Constitution refit and the Galaxy class. As soon as I saw it I was like "Ahhhh, there it is". One has to wonder if the Ambassador has a similar ship to compliment it.
I headcanon the Wambundu-class as that smaller Ambassador relative, somewhat, @?Control ? See also the design 'USS Pellucidar' online, for my favorite take.
@@chrissonofpear1384 I'm impressd by the Wambundu-class, it looks like it's supposed to if that makes any sense.
Yes it did it was the Apollo class
There was an idea for the Pegasus to fill that role. There's concept art.
4:49 Didn’t one of a Buckner’s tugs make it onto screen in “A Time To Stand” towing a damaged Excelsior? Same shot where the Curry-class appears?
22:57 not sure why it’s hard to find footage of it, it’s in a lot of the establishing shots of DS9 in Season 6. You won’t find anything of it actually doing anything though.
From the DS9 episode “The Maquis” indicates that the Maquis Raider was a modification of a popular courier and supply vessel so it is likely that the Yeager Class had a decent supply of retreating or requisitioned colonial and private vessels to use for the engineering hull.
Could you do a video on navigational deflectors, why Starfleet uses them when relatively few other powers do, and how Federation ships without them- Miranda, Challenger, etc- work?
miranda actually has deflectors....just not the big dish kind. figure all the others are the same
Its always the off hand little jokes that get me.. "..made up of spare parts. No the ship.. not him" 😂
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…I will never unhear this and now I’m going to think of this when I see the Galaxy class. XD
Correction. Redemption part 2 the federation task force was 24 ships including enterprise. ( not 17 ) in the early dialogue they had 17 , but picard had words with the yardmaster and they rushed another 6 ships. 17 wasn't enough to make an effective net . Some ships were not quite ready for service, like the uss suterland wasn't finished yet . Her bridge and safety systems. Ect
And also, the Tolstoy is a separate ship, an (unseen) Rigel-class ship (NCC-62093) from the Chekov, and which is often given the description meant for the Niagara-class USS Princeton.
@@chrissonofpear1384 yes I had forgotten about that. Your correct
Also the Kelvin was an Einstein-Class not a “Kelvin-Class” as he said during the Freedom-class part in the video.
@@Kreachie correct. It is
Let me guess they would've been ready Tuesday? 🤣
I swear I heard the eye rolling with this sarcasm. Good voice acting.
I really liked the New Orleans class, I wish we would have seen more of them during the Dominion War alongside the Nebula, Ambassador and Galaxy class. As ships representative of a more modern era.
Hey, I like the New Orleans class. The Renegade was the basis for a story I was writing, then some got brought out Star Trek Renegades.
The Miranda class is not only my favorite kit bash but my favorite Trek ship 😍
I know what you're saying, but I don't think I'd consider the Nebula class a kitbash. To me a kitbash has the feel of slapping stuff together, whereas the Nebula was designed to look like the Galaxy's little sister. Calling the Nebula class a kitbash is like calling the Reliant in ST:WOK a kitbash.
Nebula was absolutely a kitbash, designed for no other reason than to destroy it and use for the graveyard scene. It is 100% a kitbash when originally conceived. It is just one that got a little more attention later on to make it more presentable as a viable ship to share the screen with Enterprise D (the platforms were an elemwnt added later, not present on the original graveyard kitbash). Even with the work it received over time, it still cannot escape the look of a blindfolded child sticking together and Enterprise D kit all wrong. Still, it is the best of the kitbashes and at least got some additional development in episodes where it was an actual star and not a background ship.
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My favorite kitbash will ALWAYS be the New Orleans class. I mean who doesn't love that ship? I mean yes it's mostly just 2 1/2500th Enterprise-D kits and some highlighters as well as the bridge part from the larger 1/1400th E-D kit. I left the bottom highlighter/pod off my model because I just hated seeing it there. In my humble opinion it looks better without it. Still it's beautiful and majestic in my opinion. I've got Starcrafts' model of the New Orleans and I absolutely just love it.
I THINK the pods are supposed to be either torpedo launchers or some sort of sensor pods. I can ask Doug Drexler, he might know.
The Centaur is probably my second favorite kitbash. The third I would have to say is the Cheyenne class. It's definitely unique. Especially the pylons and warp engines.
Also one thing I always found puzzling, is when they first showed the Wolf 359 graveyard after the E-D got there before the commercial break, it showed the secondary hull of a Constitution Refit. Yet after the commercial break it was gone. I wondered why it vanished in the next shot and wondered whether or not that was an actual Constitution Refit that was pulled out of the mothballs for the battle of Wolf 359.
By the way thanks for doing this video and Merry Christmas to everyone at Trek Central !
Of the Kitbashes, the Cheyenne class is my favorite.
Video is great, love to see the ships. One that would have been forgotten is the Starfleet Runabout which was turned out and based on the class of ship that made up the USS Jenolan from that episode where Scotty wrecked into the Dyson Sphere, big difference being the warp engines and they flipped the jenolan upside down to make the runabout
Funny thing, I fell in love with the Jenolan for some unknown reason when I first saw that episode. Something about that tiny, old boxy looking ship appealed to me. Then when I first saw the Danube class runabouts I recognized them instantly and they became my new favorite. Since then I've been obsessed with the little ships. They just seem more "real" to me.
Back when I fancied myself a writer I started on a story about a ship that was basically the bastard child of a Defiant class and a Danube. Ugly, slow, and bulky with less than half the firepower of a Defiant and much more spartan and cramped, but just as tough, if not tougher, and a lot more reliable. Designed to be "Ensign-proof" and way over built, using older systems salvaged from older starships. Originally meant to be a support and training ship, Starfleet rushed to build as many as they could during the Dominion War as a forlorn-hope "holdout" ship that could allow the Federation to at least maintain some semblance of resistance, or at least allow humanity to survive in some capacity.
The Curie class though? It's a giant canoe with a Excelsior saucer on it.
I wonder why he didn’t point out that the reason the Yeager had so much technical screen time was because it was in the opening credits of DS Nine for quite a few seasons.
Love this and very Improvised! 😉 AND, you sure are drilling us with this one!
*the Smurf Class of ships might have been one of the more obscure class of ships that was assembled by some of the more remote colonies on the fringes of the Federations influence but it was reliable and easy to find parts for and overall was a very Smurfy ship*
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Springfield class must have been designed by Protoss, because they're always going on about needing additional pylons. Also, I actually kinda like how the Yeager class looks.
The Yeager is my favorite turducken.
I always had a soft spot for Charlie Reynolds and the Centaur! Nice video. Where is the Yeager class in the ST Shipyards book? I can't find it in Starfleet ships books 2151-2293 or 2294-The Future.
Fantastic Christmas treat you have for us tonight Trek Central, beautiful close ups of the ships 😘
Happy holidays!
@@TrekCentral Good video, and incredible photos of the Wolf 359 models, more detailed than usually seen before!
A few small corrections though - the USS Tolstoy is a separate, unseen ship, often given the same description as for the USS Princeton.
The Niagara (Princeton) is also probably only 480 metres, scaled to the nacelles, meantime.
Oh, and Centaur had a Miranda bridge, initially. Plus, it may be an older ship after all, but opinion tends to vary.
Happy Christmas!
I love the Yaeger class esthetic... somewhat like the defiant, it looks very very battleship like... and yet, is very Starfleet in design.
I'm starting to like it. Marry it with a defiant and I don't know that would be something special.
The Yeager class is the "steamed hams" of Starfleet.
Nebula class is a great starship. It was supposed to be the Miranda of the 24th century. But that became the Akira class. Thank you, First Contact.
Love the Akira class
I'm new to this channel. I have to say, the narrator in this video provides some of the liveliest voice-over work that I've ever heard! There are moments when the narrator sounds remarkably similar to Christopher Lloyd in his delivery. Are all the videos on this channel presented in the same manner?
Our ship series is mainly handed by Lt Adam, while other take on other videos :)
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I wanna know what the ship is beyond the enterprise at 11:24?
16:19
I think it’s this class of ship
I would very much like to know what happened to that damaged Niagara Class model ship. I've not seen it in any catalogs, nor at any auctions heard of. Would love to know the status of that damaged ship from the Wolf 359 battle.
Well since most people don't have distance foresight it was probably thrown away or used to make other parts of models.
@@TheMrPeteChannel True. At least if it was used as a kit bash, put to good use, in that scenario.
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I like the yaeger class it's the federation version of the Klingon bird of prey.
There's also a couple of kitbash ships in the original era I can't remember all of them but I know one was a reliant saucer with the nacelles angled up it looked like the federation version of a romulan bird of prey from the original era
USAF veteran: saw the title an had to stop an take a look ... yes , wtf is that monstrousity .
"Hey baby, you wanna see my external weapon pod?" 😁🤣
What model series are those ships you showing talking about Yager class? Love them
🖖😎👍very cool and very well done and very informative indeed 👌...
The Cheyenne is my ship of choice in Star Trek Online. Beautiful ship
The 3 pods on the new Orleans class could be multiple purpose multi role pods capable of holding defensive and offensive systems as well as research and exploration systems etc.
Love it!!! I watched it again hoping to see some kitbash ships from the Picard season finale.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do an updated episode featuring any kitbash/STO ships in the finale.
What about the Curry Class? That kitbash was thought up on a Friday at 4:55.
Just me or does it look like a face on the back of the ship (bottom left corner) at 11:38?
I believe the New Orleans class' "pods" were prototype anti-Borg weapons with the class being put into service not long before the Battle of Wolf-359, but that could be apocryphal.
I like the New Orleans class from this list. I would like to see an improve design of the Yaeger class.
The pods on the New Orleans MUST be highlighters. Honestly, my highlighters look exactly like them.
Funny I believe the new type 2 excelsior variant is called the resolute class .( lower decks post war excelsior)
I believe the Excelsior II-Class was from Picard (the USS Excelsior (NCC-42037) and the USS Eureka); Lower Decks had the Obena-class (the USS Archimedes).
So, here's my headcanon for the Yeager:
First of all, the secondary hull is not a Maquis raider. It just looks like one 😉 but is clearly bigger.
The ship is an engineering research platform, a way to try out different warp cores, impulse engines and deflectors. So it's all modular and therefore "boxy" looking.
During the Dominion war, they put her into regular service, maybe as courier between Deep Space stations.
I don't even think she's ugly. Nothing can be as ugly as most of the ships we've gotten since! Even the Titan-A looks like a horrible retro-style fan design, imo.
I love the look of the yaeger. Looks like a cooler voyager to me. Balances out the super fat oblong saucer.
"Kit bash" is real. after her completion, the Nuclear Guided Missile Cruiser USS Long Beach (CGN-9) didn't have any guns. She was designed with only missiles and torpedoes. Later, the USN realized she needed some type of gun system onboard, so they took a pair of surplus Mk-30 5"/38 single turrets, scavenged from WWII ships and mounted them amidships (where an aborted missiles system was originally intended to be). An even better example was the Garcia class Frigate. The US Navy had a new escort ship designed as an upgrade to the Bronstein class frigates. These ships carried a surplus 5"/38 forward and a new Mk-22 launcher for the RIM-66 Tartar surface to air missile. These were the Brooke class FFG. Unfortunately these ships were considered too expensive by Congress, who only funded 6 ships, No where near enough needed by the Navy. So they kit-bashed - stripping out the missile launcher and its expensive electronics (which was a large part of the ships cost) and replacing them with another surplus WWII single 5"/38 turret. These new, far less capable, ships were dubbed the Garcia class and 11 of them were built.
I love having a model of the Yaeger-class. It was never intended to be seen up close and rather a chance to fill a space far in the background of DS9 when watching in SD TV quality. They could have used something like the usual Excelsior class but that ws getting boring over and over all the time. At least, this time it was something completely different and kept people guessing what it was.
I don’t care what people say I like the Yeager class simply because it’s different and like you said it was built in an emergency and was supposed to look rough
Had it been just been one color I think it would have looked better, the orange coloring doesn't fit within the star fleet aesthetic.
Nobody seems to ever mention The Constitution variant with saucer and neck and the nacelles are attached to the lower end of the neck on two short pylons. Looks like a 2 nacelle Destroyer/ Scout like Franz Josephs Saladin/Hermes classes
Steamrunner, Akira and Nebula class are the ships I love... those and the Nova class are my favourites!
I love the kit bash ship the Intrepid/constitution class starship variant.
its a medium cruiser with 225 crew, a power plant of one 1500 plus cochrane warp core. length of 444.39 meters and beam of 133.44. hight 87.78 meters. its mass is 1300000 metric tones. its basically the saucer of the Intrepid put on top of 2 constitution hulls. just wish i could find more info on it.
I have been told the the size should only be slightly longer than Voyager, so around 360 or so metres. Most of the other stats should be fairly close, though.
im still trying to find more info on about it.
"Ugly"? I find the Yeager Class rather attractive. Looks more battle-ready than most Star Fleet ships.
It looked like a purpose built warship. I liked it.
gonna catch some flak for this but i actually kinda like the Yeager class. oh it will never be on my top ten list and maybe even not my top 5 kitbash ships but i don't hate it. hell with some slight modifications it might be decent. mostly just smoothing the transitions between the two parts a bit a more would go a long way in improvements. i see the Raider half as looking somewhat unfinished. sort of like the Star Wars rebel Y-Wing that has so much of the armor plate missing. its like the build a rough engineering hull with parts the had on hand but didn't take the time to put a more curved looking outer shell on it. may having even been a test bed for the Phase cannons later used on the Defiant (not sure which one was constructed first).
I have a fondness for the Nebula since one of them is named after me. Outside of narcissism, I do like the overall design, especially with the triangular module. It just looks like a ship with a bad attitude. As for the Yeager class... I might be an odd one but I actually like the design. It looks aggressive and kind of like what I would imagine the result of a Klingon design influence on a Federation ship might produce.
question - how do the windows work? like if there are windows on the top of the saucer (new Orleans class)... is it a "sky light" window? and I saw there are windows underneath the saucer. is it a glass floor?
Windows work because they are transparent which lets light through. Light moves in all directions (Sarcasm of course)
With the creation of Transparent Aluminium in 1986 (thanks to Scotty leaking the details) windows became a thing of the past. Now entire starbases could be constructed from a single material and with a simple application rendered transparent.
@@5c0u53 lol I meant like... Are the windows on the side of the walls? Or in the ceilings of the rooms? Because the saucer section has windows on top. So are they skylight windows?
Being blown to several thousand more halves had me cracking up
01:42 to 01:50
anyone notice the
GALAXY class ships
aren't being attacked ?
that 1 at
01:42
looked like it was saying :
" SCREW YOU GUYS ,
I'M GOIN´ HOME "
6:18 Stabilo Boss Class
... I'm going to say it
I actually like the design of the Yeager Class
It'd be interesting to see a refined version of it that blended the 2 aesthetics together into 1.
And maybe put the deflector on the nose underneath the saucer
The Yeager with a deflector would look brilliant!
Take a look at STO’s Pathyeager. They redesigned it a bit for this years April fools joke.
Thanks, now I like that hideous Yaeger class
I always saw that weird ass Yeager class as "star trek in the front, star wars in the back"
What a freak of nature...
When I first saw it orbiting DS9 back in the 90's I didn't even think it was a Starfleet ship as my small 21" tv only let me see an odd-shaped blur.
Odd. Certifiably Ingame did this exact video two weeks ago. The same ship was in the thumbnail, too.
The New Orleans' pods are probably modular mission loadout pods and probably make up for the smaller size of the vessel (as opposed to the Galaxy class) by allowing specialized equipment to be swapped out efficiently.
A Kit Bash on a local kid's show on Washington DC's Channel 20 hosted by spaceman Captain 20. They used parts of AMT's model kits USS Enterprise and parts of a Klingon D7 and displayed it upside down. I wish I could find a screen shot of it but so far no luck.
What game are those clips of the Challanger from?
Love the Yaeger-class. Just needs my colors on it and it'll be beautiful.
So many Beautifull ships. Especially the nebula, Cheyenne, Niagara and freedom classes.
What is the ship called - The one with half voyager and half maquis fighter? What issue is it? Thanks
i like the one in the thumbnail. gets me kind of excited for some reason O.o
there is some other kitbash, or more like design reuse going on.
there was TNG 5x09, a matter of time. the interior of the timepod was reused several times, some times as a federation shuttle, sometimes as some alien shuttle, etc. it's always recognizable because of the diamond shaped side appliances.
I guess, shuttle interiors are expensive.
I'm getting serious FASA Star Fleet Battles flashbacks here. It's like a live action Ship Identification Manual - which was very early kitbashing and even called it such.
Great Video. The Yeager class is more of a Frankenstein Starship.
I don't see how the New Orleans class could have type 10 phasers, since they weren't even invented or in use until the late 2360's, after the class' launch. Unless they were upgraded after Wolf 359 or during the Dominion war. Also, it's not really kitbashed since it was built as an original, standalone type of starship.
I actually dig the look of the Springfield class. I’d be happy to see more of it on screen
I've found a shot of the Yeager class. It's five minutes into the Series 6 episode 'Waltz' in the wide shot of DS9 just after the opening credits. It's in the back left of shot.
The Nebula is definitely a kitbash.
Someone tool apart a Galaxy class and then had another person put it together without knowing what it should have looked like, and that person put it together better than it was the first time.
It's the best class in Trek.
I know people love to slam the Yeager class as a horrible design, however it would be interesting to see a Klingons take on the vessel
They could "capture" an incomplete/damaged Intrepid class ship and using the warp systems of Vorcha class battlecruiser on it
You know they'd add lots of weapons but they could use the ship a planetary assault style ship
The Yaeger never made any sense. Those Maquis fighters (which I think Starfleet also used in battles against the Dominion) are about the size of a runabout. It shouldn't be big enough to fit with an Intrepid saucer.
do a yeager-B hull. you take the appearance of the yeager dorsal view. so when you flip the model over. all that marquee ship areas are filled in. so you have smoother ship lines.
The first shown Nebula class ship, USS Phoenix, was indeed a kitbash. A more dedicated model was made for other episodes
FUN FACT
at WOLF 359 several
OBERTH class ships
randomly exploded
BORG :
" WE DIDN'T FIRE ON THEM "
LOCUTUS :
" THEY RANDOMLY EXPLODE
ON THEIR OWN "
BORG :
" confused BORG noises "
Biggest external weapon pod?
Probably the Akira's Chain Reaction Pulsar.
We saw from the movie 1st Contact how Cochrans "Phoenix" was launched as a missle. How did ir supposedly land?
Like Musk's ships do. There's zero reason why the main ship cannot be bought back to land when fuel is not a major factor.
The Yaeguer Class.
Lose the tail fins, and replace it with a Intrepid backing without nacells and it would be perfect :3
Also my favorite frakenstine ship design :3
Wasn`t there another Yeager-like ship class? The USS Elkins using the Intrepid with a model of a Tomcat Jet Fighter.
Kinda missed this.
I love the Yeager class.
I tried to kitbash a custom design starship (not Star Trek) for my Masters project but it didn't really work.
Love how in lower decks they took a page from the kitbashing days and made the California class to create a ship that made to feel like the third line workhorse that gets stuck with the boring and dirty jobs that goes with an interstellar power that usually gets overlooked by the audience in favour of the cool and flashy frontline explorers, science-ships and warships