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I don't think Ubisoft had the role of Aya/Amunet all planned out since 2009 as there are a lot of inconsistencies. They just saw an opportunity to tie them together.
That’s what I was thinking. Probably was like “hey we got a total babe character from 2009 and she’s unused. Let’s grab her story and make her bayeks wife”
I feel like Bayec and Aia could be a duo....not like Eevee and Jakyboy but 2 characters like every logo game and you can control one or the other....I mean bought wanted revenge......no reason for Aya to suck up to Cleo...
@jemoeder4883 nothing wrong with that as long as the games are as good as Unity/Syndicate.......and maybe add companions.....I mean yeah ur a bad ass army killer but even in Skyrim u can bring someone along....
That is most definitely the case. But in the end this usually happens with these kind of sprawling IPs. I mean, Star Wars is literally made of retcons and re-retcons at this point. Even George himself retconned things
Feudal Japan was teased in Black Flag through an entry found in the present day. They could follow any one of these characters at some point or give them an appearance like Darius, though I would've preferred playing through a full story of Darius.
@@Thetangetoriginally when seeing all of those statues I was hoping that's what they were going to do somehow but they really not which is unfortunate
@patricksumakul1627 well the first one would be kinda boring because the scenery would be the same through the whole game. Also no houses only tents and caves
For the record, Bayek in origins 50 something BC set up the foundation for the Hidden Ones, Assassin's existed before that each working in their own regions, it is entirely possible they found out about the corruption running through their region just like Bayek did or Kassandra did in Odyssey, without a formal brotherhood
I don’t think they had the whole Amunet thing planned out. I think they used the statues in 2 to expand the lore of the assassins by creating assassins that were involved in some pretty well known historical events. But when the time of origins came around, they saw the opportunity to add Amunet into a game.
@@ricozepplin well that would require a near 20 year time jump to happen. Keep in mind that the end of the game in origins is still like 16ish years prior to when cleopatra died in real life. Tbh, if anything, I thought we were going to get a series of games revolving around Bayek/Aya and the early days of the hidden ones which could have saw cleopatra die to the snake that Amunet used to kill her.
I agree. I don’t think they had Amunet’s story or character fleshed out, but the statues were aspirational. They where general themes of where the franchise would like to go someday. The story of Bayek and Amunet probably wasn’t fleshed out until much later.
i still remember the first time i reached to this room. Full of curiosity inside of me thinking what's the story behind these people, this is what making old AC games likable and worth playing to me. The myths, the history, and the story mixed up in a perfect way making people loved the games. Unlike nowadays ACs game, they just make everything so blatantly and not logically.
@@mro4ts457so true, i finished AC 2 and AC brotherhood about 5 times and still wanted to play them more. But i couldn't finish Oddysey and not even reach 30% of Valhalla.
@@domiiinik4320 they tried to follow and continue the story of the old AC games, but can not build up the myths, the stories, the characters, the ambience. Instead of spending time to make new AC games more perfect, they just release them in the most boring state possible with cheap mechanics, story, characters, ... I'm not contradicting my self, you are just not understanding how better old games were comparing to new ones, that's it.
@@namduonghoang2931 They built up a great story with Desmond and then killed him. I just finished playing AC Origins which was pretty good, but it lacked the feel of ac 2 with being part of some ancient order dedicated to protecting the world. I understand it was setting it up, but I've only heard that it gets worse with each game in this newest trilogy which scares me
Instead of Valhalla we should’ve gotten a game set in Babylon with Iltani. Not only would it be a perfect tie in between Origins and Odyssey but it also would’ve been a better way to close out the ancient world trilogy. Huge missed opportunity imo
@@anonomit8229 But the Nordic story ended up being the weakest entry in the franchise, in my opinion. What if, instead of them prioritizing *3! We can only do 3!* - they had decided to focus on good story and gameplay. Doing the 3rd game as Iltani in Babylon and a 4th game in Nordic times? Alternate universes of AC games seem better than our current one where Ubisoft has prioritized the series as a cash cow instead of prioritizing gameplay and story (like they focused on in the first few games)
@@anonomit8229The "Mythology" argument is bullshit. AC has never been about mythology and this modern misdirection is the biggest issue with the series in terms of setting/ tone.
Wei Yu also looks really cool and China is a cool setting. I just wish his story was made into a main game and not a small feature in a sideline mobile game.
@@danielpolakovic6055I mean we got chronicles games for India and China, a mobile game for Ancient China and upcoming AAA game for Japan. So lore is there for Ubisoft to expand upon.
They literally had foundation for everything they needed to continue the series for next decade after Ezio trilogy with those statues. Plus it would've kept to orginal theme of series better. I love the Kenway saga but given the choice I would've rather seen the seires go down this path.
The dumb thing too is they easily could of had their other future games set in Colonial America and The Caribbean during the late Golden Age of Piracy. They technically can still go back and focus on these other Assassins but it would have been better to do it sooner.
@@SavageGameHawkbut hes right^^ i mean think about it, when did the last good assassins creed game release ? black flag was a good game but not a good ac i mean you dont even play an assassin. the sailing thing in 3 and rogue wasnt really my thing otherwise rogue could have been probably on of the best. shays story is really good but it would have been cool if it played in a big city like the old games. unity it probably the last "real" ac game but the gameplay is slow af and the sound is horrible in this game. ac 2 and brotherhood are the peak of the series.
@@alejandrocastillolopez6268 Black Flag is a great game to play, but it lacked the elaborate world building that AC2 and Brotherhood had. For me, the biggest excitement was the idea of the entire world ending, and Desmond was only one capable of stopping it. If Black Flag was just released as a pirate game, people still would have loved it. Origins for me, was also a great game, but I didn't understand the story outside of the animus. Probably one of my favorites, but it lacked the story and emotion of AC 2. Plus Bayek was just a refined Ezio
@@connorfrederixon7508 Black Flag lacked that world building feel because it was in such a small part of history and geographical region by comparison to previous games. The Caribbean and the last years of the Golden Age of Piracy.
I know it’s set before the founding of The Hidden Ones but I’d love to see a game where you play as Iltani during Alexander The Greats Conquest the plot could be that Iltani’s family was killed during Alexander’s conquest so she tries to hunt him down but throughout the story she learns about the isu and piece of Eden
Plus, it would be a good way to explore Alexander’s discovery of the POE in Siwa, helping to link this story with Origins. Plus, it’s very likely that Alexander may have been a tainted one like Kassandra, seeing as in real,life when he visited Siwa he was told he was a descendant of Zeus. In the ac universe this could be translated to him discovering he is either a direct descendant of Zeus (aka Jupiter as he’s mostly been known in AC), or upon discovering he is a tainted one and discovers the knowledge in the Isu temple he misinterprets him being a tainted one as implying that he is a descendant of Zeus.
i am mongolian and when i played the game first time i was honestly was really suprised.Mongolian assassin and i thought Assassin's creed about mongolian assassin would very interesting.
@@tadijavpserbian9808his death was written after AC 3's release and before BF development, so it makes sense they didn't thought that Edward was important
having these today would be so cool, Imagine the Frye twins(since they are the most modern ones) learning all the previous assasins and getting a collectible or some sorts of them
Thank you for this content! I'm someone who fell out of love with the games and ran out of steam after the Ezio collection. I could not bring myself to finish Black Flag. I'm retrying all the games from the start and I'm currently at AC2. I intend to surf through them using your content as lore to keep up the passion.
I fell off after Black flag, finally dragged myself through origins and started Odyssey and they do fall off a little in the more RPG style ones. Mirage looks fun though so you can probably get it for cheap when you get through them all.
Really liked this video, since Amunet/Ava has been in a game, you meet Darius in the dlc for Odyssey, I'd be quite happy with games on Qulan Gal, Iltani and Leonius. Maybe one on Wei Yu depending on how much he is in Jade and if we ever get a port of it.
I wish there was a Japanese assassins creed but I guess China would be the next best thing because Ubisoft said they don’t plan on it, ghost of Tsushima is literally like a assassins creed game but with Samurai I def suggest it
Couldn’t reference the Roman brotherhood bc it didn’t exist during the conquest of Alexander the hidden ones weren’t created yet either for a couple hundred years
Darius is just the first RECORDED use. With the Bronze Age Collapse, it's entirely possible that more records were just lost. Imagine a game set in the height of Babylon, or during the Bronze Age Collapse. Also, Amunnet retcons could be a result of lost history? I mean, it's a thousand year difference
A story with Iltani would not have included Amunet or any reference to The Hidden Ones as Alexander died centuries before the events of Assassin's Creed Origins, thus so would have Iltani
in-universe answer - Qulan Gal got the credit, not surprising given Altair and his family went into hiding for decades after returning from Mongolia real answer - that was a retcon from when Secret Crusade was written
Ah, what a game... It reminds me of my adolescence when the main problem was coming home from school and spending 4 hours on the PS3 in the afternoon. I still remember when I went to pick up my copy at Gamestop since I had pre-ordered it months before. I still have it, I have them all... Sooner or later I'll take out the PS3 and play it again.
Still better gameplay than the newer Assassins Creeds. The Ezio games were in a different league of storytelling and immersiveness that modern AC games wish they had.
in previous entries Darus was Persian like a Hassan-i Sabbah- that's mean his signature weapon started as part of legacy only for Assassin's from AC1. In Origins things started be more complicated- because now Aya was descendent of Darius and founder of Hidden Ones in Rome. Now Leonius character make less sense, because if he was Hidden One from 4th centry Rome he should use hidden Blade for Caligua asassination. There's so many fan service in Origins 😐
The info we got from him is that he assassinated Calgula with a dagger. That doesn’t mean he didn’t have a HB just that he used a dagger to do the act. Which means he could have been in an actual fight and the hidden blade, isn’t a great weapon to fight with.
Its both impressive and sad, that Ubisoft cannot seem to get its own lore in order,and is now a mess that,hopefully but doubt it, the next AC actually progress the present setting
I might be missing something but how can Iltani have been one of the first Hidden Ones if she assassinated Alexander the Great, who has been dead for about 300 years when the Hidden Ones were founded by Bayek and Aya? We even go into his tomb in the city named after him in Origins. Also, Rome was barely more than a city by that point. I think you might’ve gotten your years mixed up.
I want all of these to be made into individual games but someone in ubisoft has prob already prepossessed the idea and was told 'nah the people can read into the lore instead if they are that interested'
Whether it was planned or not, seeing Amunet and Darius was a double take moment for me, especially how recent it's been since I played the games. I definitely want to find the time to start a full AC playthough re-run again. Great video!
thats what im thinking of doing. since i plan to get all the games again but on PC where i play now, which would allow me to pay allt hose i missed, and finish syndacate, the problem is, how do you play them.... Release order? AC 1 to Mirage, or Shadows when it comes out. Chronilogically (Modern Day story) .....frankly ive no clue which game starts and ends the modern day narrative. Chronilogically (Historical) Valhalla to Syndicate. thought about it for awhile, just rather grab the games as they go on sale often on steam.
@@TheFallinhalo funny enough, I started an AC2 replay the other day. Actually paused the game to reply to this haha. Is say release order, but that’s just me
When I was a kid, and I saw this, i thought for sure these Assassins were gonna be apart of new games. I also semt ubisoft a letter when I was 10 saying they should make a game in Egypt and when origins came out i was stoked and it brought back memories. AC will always be an iconic game for me.
Hopefully its a mobile game where you have to pay real money to open boxes where they might be inside to unlock, but youll need to open a lot to get them all.
its crazy that they slowly casted every assassin among these in some of the game and books like wei yu in recent codename jade, aya as amunet from ac origins, darius from odyssey and etc. The babylonian is left so maybe we could get a game se during the time of alexander the great.
I also love that in Valhalla you can find papers and stories about how Amunet showed up to different Berureu's to teach them and makensure they were doing the work. She never told the recruits her name, but later they realized she wae a co founder of the Hidden Ones
im suprised i havent seen nor can i find a deep detailed analysis of assassin creed 2s most interesting mystery, that of the glyphs hidden around italy that revealed the truth subject 16 found out. if you ever had an idea for another long indepth video I love the lore of this franchise.
AC is one of the few series that could still go on for decades and not run out of ideas. Always thought a 1861-65 American civil war one would be awesome. Kinda like Django in a way would be my best way of describing it
Ubisoft should have made games for all the assassins that aren't really spoken about or seen in the games. I am, however, looking forward to playing as Basim in Mirage and learning more about his backstory. Shame they couldn't do the same for the Auditore Villa assassin statues apart from Altair and a very short playthrough as Aya in Origins. Would have been nice to see more of her other than just an optional legendary lieutenant in Odyssey.
Do a video about 10 annoying things in assassins creed that are somewhat unique to the franchise (doesn’t have to be unique to the franchise tho) like game mechanics or whatever. Such as being disynchronised the moment an enemy spots you sometimes even if you kill him immediately before anyone else even knows.
Reason why I love some stories of these legends heck I really want to hear an Puerto Rican assassin named Miguel Ramos Carlo de Lugo. An assassin who’s hunt down Juan Ponce the León to find the fountain of youth (an Eden piece of internal youth). Hope to see that one day in comics or a game!
As much as a missed opportunity it is to explore some of these assassins more. I've been replaying black flag recently. And the existence of assassins that predate the order or have no formal training or brotherhood remind me of how Kidd mentions that the Creed transcends language and culture.
To say that Ubisoft had it all planned since AC2 is like saying George Lucas had the entire Clone Wars planned since name dropping it in A New Hope. Occam's Razor says they came up with the names and then weaved them into the story as the sequels rolled out.
In my opinion, IF Altair would’ve gotten as many installments as Ezio it would’ve been able to cover all the story content from his life that we missed including his connections & time spent working with these master assassin’s that we weren’t able to explore.
Of all these, Amunet and Iltani were by far the most interesting to me. I played a good bit of Origins but the constant "you're not high enough level" shit made me drop it. I wish we could have played as Aya but Bayek is still cool as hell. Iltani is the one I am most interested in. In any game, I am a huge sucker for poison, and to think Iltani's style was possibly centered around poisons is so damn cool, and I really wish we had a game to play as her.
It's been frustrating that Ubisoft hasn't done games featuring most of these Assassins and historical rulers, but there is always time to do it. They don't have to follow a linear timeline for their games. Now that they are cutting the modern storyline out of the games and having Assassin's Creed Infinity do it they should be able to jump around more freely.
I love assassins creed origins and i enjoyed every second i played as Bayek, but theres no reason they needed to set the orgin of the assassin's during that period of time. It undermines all of the connections to the assassins that these statues have,
That is the thing about assassins creed now. Like I'm sure the majority of the fans like an 80% base would love more historical like games. Where as is now they seem a bit too obssesed with showing more of the Isu people which hardly anyone asked for in that extent
I recall hearing Ubisoft saying the Infinity platform will allow for more linear & short form stories will older characters from the franchise.... We can hope!
they really should make one in rome during roman times imagine legionaires marching through the streets , the parkour would be amazing, the landscape would be crazy, the potential for plots is also huge as plotting was basicly the national sport of romans you could find slaves germanics old legionaires and other undesirables in the assassins guild
I always ask with myself: Which is the mostly Ultimate Assassin ever from Assassin's Creed franchise, the one which is the more powerful one and virtually immortal? AC Odyssey and AC Valhalla just gave us a close that assassin I have in mind, but... still some things lacking for both Eivor and Kassandra/Alexios to be the Ultimate Assassins ever.
One thing I love abt AC since im a pretty new fan is how many possibilities they have for stories with the Hidden Ones/Assassin's. Id say that my favorite pic for a game would be in the fall of Rome and reign of Justinian. Ive said this on multiple comment sections but its a perfect setup for the core story beats. Bad Guys A secret order throwing the world into chaos could be corrupt Roman officals which would have plenty of material to draw off of real life. Roman officials especially in Gaul were horrible to their populations of germanic peoples like force starvation, slavery, and basically sacrificing them in battle by making them bear the brunt of enemies. So perfect material for an order of ancients to cause havoc and ubi could easily tie in a dlc or storyline with the fall of the hidden ones in England to play setup for Valhalla. You could also tie in Attila in some manner to bring in further chaos to a crumbling branch of the hidden ones. We really havent seen the assassins/hidden ones lose their influence on an area so itd make for a fresh twist on the formula (from my knowledge) Setting Agrippa
It would be awesome a assassins creed in Japan with samurai and shit get to work alongside a shogunate or assassinate one like some ronin that got kicked out of samurai class
When I first played this game I would have bet anything they were going to make a game centered on each one of these characters. I thought it was a no Brainerd at the time.
Hi sorry. First love your video and this was so helpful! The first emperor is pronounced like the word Chin. Sorry stickler for history. Other than that thank you so much for this video! Your editing is good, your narration is good I have been dying for this info. Thanks
I love how, after AC2, we got to play games for all of these historic assassins🙌 Oh wait?…. None of these setup characters returned? Just 1 kinda? I guess that makes sense they just threw away all the backstory, as they threw away the whole franchise recently 💀
So out of the 7 of them, 4 get a mainline entry. Altair, obviously the 1st game and Revelations Wei Yu, AC Jade Darius, AC Odyssey Amunet, AC Origins The other 3 are basically either finished through other media or have yet to be made.
Great video! where do you get your information from? I have been trying to find reliable sources or even books that explain the lore in detail. Are there any books out there that you recommend, or comics dedicated to the AC lore? (Other than playing the games)
Alexander the Great happens before Origins though Julius Caesar even talks about how much he admires him so there wouldn't be a britherhood unless they retconned origins to being the 2nd begininng of the Hidden One's much like how we assumed AC1 Assassin's was the beginning it was actually the 2nd beginning.
It's amazing to me that one of the statues there is there.....cause he got an assist kill. I'm talking about the Mongolian Assassin guy, he shot Genghis Kahn's Horse. Darim Ibn Altair killed Genghis himself.
Ubisoft could literally keep the francise running if they just make the subsequent games in the series about those 7 respectively but nooo the story about Loki reincarnate in Baghdad is more interesting to them i guess
@Rexson29 I respect your opinion, but it would be really annoying if she appeared in every game. That makes her the main protagonist of the whole franchise. In which she's not and she never will be.
I am sure it will happen eventually it HAS to. We NEED a game for each of these assassins we will get it someday and need to actually see aya kill cleopatra so pissed they didn’t in origins.
People do realise that because of origins it is impossible for Ilya i or wei yu to be assassins in any sense of the word as they won’t be created until AFTER the main game of origins which timeline wise takes place after the death of Alexander and the first emperor of china.
Well then darius doesn't exist? Assasins exist since the ISU extinct, or when Adam and Eve escaped from ISU, but they just not called Assasin's Creed, nor Hidden Ones, they are all just mercenaries under the ideals of freedom, the shadow of Order that the Order of the Ancient bring
@@ariramadhan6362 uh no there not. There just individuals, Hidden ones are the assassins anyways. If those assassins are also let says mercenaries then fine but unless they just retcon origins they can’t be assassins period.
@@stubblytuna4068 so what is definition of assassin? Assasins creed, is the creed between Assasin's under altair's lead, hidden ones are the organization made to fought order of the Ancient, Assasins is some one that do assasination, so how there's no assasins before hidden ones?
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Yeah that’s how it is going
29 year old me would have loved this when I was 15. I’m currently replaying this one right now
I don't think Ubisoft had the role of Aya/Amunet all planned out since 2009 as there are a lot of inconsistencies. They just saw an opportunity to tie them together.
That’s what I was thinking. Probably was like “hey we got a total babe character from 2009 and she’s unused. Let’s grab her story and make her bayeks wife”
I feel like Bayec and Aia could be a duo....not like Eevee and Jakyboy but 2 characters like every logo game and you can control one or the other....I mean bought wanted revenge......no reason for Aya to suck up to Cleo...
Exactly what i was thinking, ac was planned to stop after ac3, yet money hungry ubisoft wanted to keep churning out money from their franchise
@jemoeder4883 nothing wrong with that as long as the games are as good as Unity/Syndicate.......and maybe add companions.....I mean yeah ur a bad ass army killer but even in Skyrim u can bring someone along....
That is most definitely the case.
But in the end this usually happens with these kind of sprawling IPs. I mean, Star Wars is literally made of retcons and re-retcons at this point. Even George himself retconned things
Love how they set up all these potential games and just Said "nahhhh"
There is still time lol. Origins released in 2017 and Odyssey 2018. After Assassin’s Creed 2 got released in 2009 lol
Feudal Japan was teased in Black Flag through an entry found in the present day. They could follow any one of these characters at some point or give them an appearance like Darius, though I would've preferred playing through a full story of Darius.
They already took care of Aya/Amunet and Darius. They just need to make games for everyone else
@@Thetangetoriginally when seeing all of those statues I was hoping that's what they were going to do somehow but they really not which is unfortunate
The franchise died and Ubisoft killed it
9/10 ubisoft said "we're out of ideas.' 'hey boss lets use those statues in the villa"
also ubisoft: nah just create a comic tie in with the origin of the remaining statue
@patricksumakul1627 well the first one would be kinda boring because the scenery would be the same through the whole game. Also no houses only tents and caves
I always thought the statues were going to set up future games. Like a trilogy for each to fully explore and flesh out characters and events.
same3
It should have
Should've theres no consistency and it had potential. Story, plot..
I have been saying that ever since this game came out and first played it. I thought I was the only one good to know more know/knew.
That would still be awesome.
For the record, Bayek in origins 50 something BC set up the foundation for the Hidden Ones, Assassin's existed before that each working in their own regions, it is entirely possible they found out about the corruption running through their region just like Bayek did or Kassandra did in Odyssey, without a formal brotherhood
I don’t think they had the whole Amunet thing planned out. I think they used the statues in 2 to expand the lore of the assassins by creating assassins that were involved in some pretty well known historical events. But when the time of origins came around, they saw the opportunity to add Amunet into a game.
Yet they don't show her perform the assassination she's credited for, bit odd imo
@@ricozepplin well that would require a near 20 year time jump to happen. Keep in mind that the end of the game in origins is still like 16ish years prior to when cleopatra died in real life. Tbh, if anything, I thought we were going to get a series of games revolving around Bayek/Aya and the early days of the hidden ones which could have saw cleopatra die to the snake that Amunet used to kill her.
I agree. I don’t think they had Amunet’s story or character fleshed out, but the statues were aspirational. They where general themes of where the franchise would like to go someday. The story of Bayek and Amunet probably wasn’t fleshed out until much later.
@@ricozepplinright?! I didn’t get that either.
Yeah I just realized that statue was amunet upon loading up my old AC2 remastered save to clean up achievements. Planned or not, still pretty cool.
i still remember the first time i reached to this room. Full of curiosity inside of me thinking what's the story behind these people, this is what making old AC games likable and worth playing to me. The myths, the history, and the story mixed up in a perfect way making people loved the games. Unlike nowadays ACs game, they just make everything so blatantly and not logically.
The old AC games were so much better than the new garbage.
AC Mirage even feels like a cheap knockoff (gameplay wise) compared to the og games.
@@mro4ts457so true, i finished AC 2 and AC brotherhood about 5 times and still wanted to play them more. But i couldn't finish Oddysey and not even reach 30% of Valhalla.
You just contradicted yourself, typical old AC fan
@@domiiinik4320 they tried to follow and continue the story of the old AC games, but can not build up the myths, the stories, the characters, the ambience. Instead of spending time to make new AC games more perfect, they just release them in the most boring state possible with cheap mechanics, story, characters, ... I'm not contradicting my self, you are just not understanding how better old games were comparing to new ones, that's it.
@@namduonghoang2931 They built up a great story with Desmond and then killed him. I just finished playing AC Origins which was pretty good, but it lacked the feel of ac 2 with being part of some ancient order dedicated to protecting the world. I understand it was setting it up, but I've only heard that it gets worse with each game in this newest trilogy which scares me
Instead of Valhalla we should’ve gotten a game set in Babylon with Iltani. Not only would it be a perfect tie in between Origins and Odyssey but it also would’ve been a better way to close out the ancient world trilogy. Huge missed opportunity imo
if they werent releasing valhalla they will miss the "nordic" hype at that time. xD
Orgins, Odyssey and Valhalla cover the big three of mythology. It would have been a wasted opportunity to skip Nordic myth
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But the Nordic story ended up being the weakest entry in the franchise, in my opinion.
What if, instead of them prioritizing *3! We can only do 3!* - they had decided to focus on good story and gameplay. Doing the 3rd game as Iltani in Babylon and a 4th game in Nordic times?
Alternate universes of AC games seem better than our current one where Ubisoft has prioritized the series as a cash cow instead of prioritizing gameplay and story (like they focused on in the first few games)
@@anonomit8229The "Mythology" argument is bullshit.
AC has never been about mythology and this modern misdirection is the biggest issue with the series in terms of setting/ tone.
No Valhalla was and is amazing
I kinda like Wei Yu, despite being an assassin, his main method of assassination is spear
Very warrior, very wuxia
Wei Yu also looks really cool and China is a cool setting. I just wish his story was made into a main game and not a small feature in a sideline mobile game.
@@Stark7Ghost Japan, China and perhaps Korea or India that would be nice trilogy about Asia
@@danielpolakovic6055I mean we got chronicles games for India and China, a mobile game for Ancient China and upcoming AAA game for Japan. So lore is there for Ubisoft to expand upon.
Wei Yu looks so cool man. He looks like he belongs in Dynasty Warriors though lol.
I was 5 years old when i first met with Altair. He was my childhood mentor. This is why i loving this game serie.
Probably not the best mentor for a 5 year old 😂😂
Hey, wassa-matta-you, Altaïr
They literally had foundation for everything they needed to continue the series for next decade after Ezio trilogy with those statues. Plus it would've kept to orginal theme of series better. I love the Kenway saga but given the choice I would've rather seen the seires go down this path.
The dumb thing too is they easily could of had their other future games set in Colonial America and The Caribbean during the late Golden Age of Piracy. They technically can still go back and focus on these other Assassins but it would have been better to do it sooner.
I think Ubisoft could've done the games based on the figures of the statues; that would've been pretty cool.
Only Qulan Gal, Iltani and Leonius are left to make
They did
Yup instead they basically retconned them but making them "hidden ones" because of just needing to start in ancient Egypt for some reason
Ehm. They did so. Not in every single case like some fans expected them to, but Ubisoft did and still do exactly that.
we got a black samuray instead lol
Ah when Assassins Creed was at his peak 😢
You’re tripping lmao this was 15 years ago my guy time to move on
@@SavageGameHawkbut hes right^^ i mean think about it, when did the last good assassins creed game release ? black flag was a good game but not a good ac i mean you dont even play an assassin. the sailing thing in 3 and rogue wasnt really my thing otherwise rogue could have been probably on of the best. shays story is really good but it would have been cool if it played in a big city like the old games. unity it probably the last "real" ac game but the gameplay is slow af and the sound is horrible in this game. ac 2 and brotherhood are the peak of the series.
@@oreoolafgaming3756 You're objectively wrong. Black Flag and Origins are among the best AC games in the entire saga, easily top 5 or 3
@@alejandrocastillolopez6268 Black Flag is a great game to play, but it lacked the elaborate world building that AC2 and Brotherhood had. For me, the biggest excitement was the idea of the entire world ending, and Desmond was only one capable of stopping it. If Black Flag was just released as a pirate game, people still would have loved it. Origins for me, was also a great game, but I didn't understand the story outside of the animus. Probably one of my favorites, but it lacked the story and emotion of AC 2. Plus Bayek was just a refined Ezio
@@connorfrederixon7508 Black Flag lacked that world building feel because it was in such a small part of history and geographical region by comparison to previous games. The Caribbean and the last years of the Golden Age of Piracy.
I know it’s set before the founding of The Hidden Ones but I’d love to see a game where you play as Iltani during Alexander The Greats Conquest the plot could be that Iltani’s family was killed during Alexander’s conquest so she tries to hunt him down but throughout the story she learns about the isu and piece of Eden
Plus, it would be a good way to explore Alexander’s discovery of the POE in Siwa, helping to link this story with Origins. Plus, it’s very likely that Alexander may have been a tainted one like Kassandra, seeing as in real,life when he visited Siwa he was told he was a descendant of Zeus. In the ac universe this could be translated to him discovering he is either a direct descendant of Zeus (aka Jupiter as he’s mostly been known in AC), or upon discovering he is a tainted one and discovers the knowledge in the Isu temple he misinterprets him being a tainted one as implying that he is a descendant of Zeus.
i am mongolian and when i played the game first time i was honestly was really suprised.Mongolian assassin and i thought Assassin's creed about mongolian assassin would very interesting.
If this was set in the modern day I can guarantee that Edward Kenway would have a statue up there
not really, kenway doesn't that much feats compared to others
@@rocktheconqueror6903 he literally killed the entire Templar order in the Americas and it stayed that way until Haythem came to the new world
Think we check our dates man!
@@hellboundchaoscommand7567and got killed by two thieves they did Edward’s death pretty dirty
@@tadijavpserbian9808his death was written after AC 3's release and before BF development, so it makes sense they didn't thought that Edward was important
This was a fantastic deep dive, and a wonderful stroll down hidden-blade-memory lane. Thank you!
having these today would be so cool,
Imagine the Frye twins(since they are the most modern ones) learning all the previous assasins and getting a collectible or some sorts of them
Thank you for this content! I'm someone who fell out of love with the games and ran out of steam after the Ezio collection. I could not bring myself to finish Black Flag. I'm retrying all the games from the start and I'm currently at AC2. I intend to surf through them using your content as lore to keep up the passion.
I fell off after Black flag, finally dragged myself through origins and started Odyssey and they do fall off a little in the more RPG style ones. Mirage looks fun though so you can probably get it for cheap when you get through them all.
Black Flag the best AC game though lol
Black flag def a worthwhile experience
Honestly expected a "eyyy, wassa matter with you altair?" there
Really liked this video, since Amunet/Ava has been in a game, you meet Darius in the dlc for Odyssey, I'd be quite happy with games on Qulan Gal, Iltani and Leonius. Maybe one on Wei Yu depending on how much he is in Jade and if we ever get a port of it.
We do play as Leonidas in the opening to Assassin's creed Odyssey.
Leonidas isn’t the same as leonius
I wish there was a Japanese assassins creed but I guess China would be the next best thing because Ubisoft said they don’t plan on it, ghost of Tsushima is literally like a assassins creed game but with Samurai I def suggest it
@@classifiedinformation960well, there will be AC set in feudal Japan and for now , it’s known as AC: Codename Red.
@@classifiedinformation960 next game is on japan tho with codename red
Couldn’t reference the Roman brotherhood bc it didn’t exist during the conquest of Alexander the hidden ones weren’t created yet either for a couple hundred years
So many of these sound so much better than the story we got with Basim
Especially if they went with using another new main character that they could have gone with before basim was a thing
Darius is just the first RECORDED use. With the Bronze Age Collapse, it's entirely possible that more records were just lost. Imagine a game set in the height of Babylon, or during the Bronze Age Collapse.
Also, Amunnet retcons could be a result of lost history? I mean, it's a thousand year difference
A story with Iltani would not have included Amunet or any reference to The Hidden Ones as Alexander died centuries before the events of Assassin's Creed Origins, thus so would have Iltani
It would be a great link to go into Origins though.
You're a literal king by explaining these in very detailed. Thank you!
If Qulan Gal has a statue because he was instrumental in killing Gengas Khan, then why doesn't Altair's son have one?
in-universe answer - Qulan Gal got the credit, not surprising given Altair and his family went into hiding for decades after returning from Mongolia
real answer - that was a retcon from when Secret Crusade was written
Ah, what a game... It reminds me of my adolescence when the main problem was coming home from school and spending 4 hours on the PS3 in the afternoon. I still remember when I went to pick up my copy at Gamestop since I had pre-ordered it months before. I still have it, I have them all... Sooner or later I'll take out the PS3 and play it again.
Still better gameplay than the newer Assassins Creeds.
The Ezio games were in a different league of storytelling and immersiveness that modern AC games wish they had.
@@mro4ts457 The trailer with the music "Genesis" and Ezio launching himself from the Palazzo Ducale in Venice with a double assassination... Poetry.
I have said for years that AC should make games surrounding all of these assassins
ac lore will always be captivating
in previous entries Darus was Persian like a Hassan-i Sabbah- that's mean his signature weapon started as part of legacy only for Assassin's from AC1. In Origins things started be more complicated- because now Aya was descendent of Darius and founder of Hidden Ones in Rome. Now Leonius character make less sense, because if he was Hidden One from 4th centry Rome he should use hidden Blade for Caligua asassination. There's so many fan service in Origins 😐
The info we got from him is that he assassinated Calgula with a dagger. That doesn’t mean he didn’t have a HB just that he used a dagger to do the act. Which means he could have been in an actual fight and the hidden blade, isn’t a great weapon to fight with.
Its both impressive and sad, that Ubisoft cannot seem to get its own lore in order,and is now a mess that,hopefully but doubt it, the next AC actually progress the present setting
I might be missing something but how can Iltani have been one of the first Hidden Ones if she assassinated Alexander the Great, who has been dead for about 300 years when the Hidden Ones were founded by Bayek and Aya? We even go into his tomb in the city named after him in Origins.
Also, Rome was barely more than a city by that point. I think you might’ve gotten your years mixed up.
I want all of these to be made into individual games but someone in ubisoft has prob already prepossessed the idea and was told 'nah the people can read into the lore instead if they are that interested'
These people is who every game after Syndicate should’ve been about!!
Whether it was planned or not, seeing Amunet and Darius was a double take moment for me, especially how recent it's been since I played the games. I definitely want to find the time to start a full AC playthough re-run again. Great video!
thats what im thinking of doing.
since i plan to get all the games again but on PC where i play now, which would allow me to pay allt hose i missed, and finish syndacate,
the problem is, how do you play them....
Release order? AC 1 to Mirage, or Shadows when it comes out.
Chronilogically (Modern Day story) .....frankly ive no clue which game starts and ends the modern day narrative.
Chronilogically (Historical) Valhalla to Syndicate.
thought about it for awhile, just rather grab the games as they go on sale often on steam.
@@TheFallinhalo funny enough, I started an AC2 replay the other day. Actually paused the game to reply to this haha.
Is say release order, but that’s just me
When I was a kid, and I saw this, i thought for sure these Assassins were gonna be apart of new games. I also semt ubisoft a letter when I was 10 saying they should make a game in Egypt and when origins came out i was stoked and it brought back memories. AC will always be an iconic game for me.
Awesome Video! Fantastic job explaining the backgrounds of each character and even changing the music related to their culture. Well done
Who else would love to see a game on all of them?
Probably coming soon
Hopefully its a mobile game where you have to pay real money to open boxes where they might be inside to unlock, but youll need to open a lot to get them all.
Wow, imagine if ubisoft followed the origin story
its crazy that they slowly casted every assassin among these in some of the game and books like wei yu in recent codename jade, aya as amunet from ac origins, darius from odyssey and etc. The babylonian is left so maybe we could get a game se during the time of alexander the great.
Oddly enough, I am interested in Leonius the most. I would imagine his game would be the least amount of violence with a lot more politics involved
Would love games centered around these characters
Leonius is the assassin everyone wants to play
If only we could have a game with him in ancient rome 🙏
Iconic moment is Ezio’s first assassination.
Bayek should have a statue, too. He got the idea of creating the Hidden Ones Order after all.
He literally says to forget his name. He never wanted to be a name anyone remembered.
He’s such a good hidden one that he intentionally remained anonymous…but the same cannot be said about aya
I also love that in Valhalla you can find papers and stories about how Amunet showed up to different Berureu's to teach them and makensure they were doing the work. She never told the recruits her name, but later they realized she wae a co founder of the Hidden Ones
im suprised i havent seen nor can i find a deep detailed analysis of assassin creed 2s most interesting mystery, that of the glyphs hidden around italy that revealed the truth subject 16 found out. if you ever had an idea for another long indepth video I love the lore of this franchise.
This one i want to see
I believe the statues were going to be potential Assassins Creed sequel characters but you can meet them in their respective historic positions.
Always wanted a video about the history of these statues
AC is one of the few series that could still go on for decades and not run out of ideas. Always thought a 1861-65 American civil war one would be awesome. Kinda like Django in a way would be my best way of describing it
Ubisoft should have made games for all the assassins that aren't really spoken about or seen in the games. I am, however, looking forward to playing as Basim in Mirage and learning more about his backstory. Shame they couldn't do the same for the Auditore Villa assassin statues apart from Altair and a very short playthrough as Aya in Origins. Would have been nice to see more of her other than just an optional legendary lieutenant in Odyssey.
That is an exciting video! Well done!
Amunet is one of my favourite assassin’s mostly cuz I love Bayek and origin’s. Great video btw ❤
Do a video about 10 annoying things in assassins creed that are somewhat unique to the franchise (doesn’t have to be unique to the franchise tho) like game mechanics or whatever. Such as being disynchronised the moment an enemy spots you sometimes even if you kill him immediately before anyone else even knows.
Reason why I love some stories of these legends heck I really want to hear an Puerto Rican assassin named Miguel Ramos Carlo de Lugo. An assassin who’s hunt down Juan Ponce the León to find the fountain of youth (an Eden piece of internal youth). Hope to see that one day in comics or a game!
As much as a missed opportunity it is to explore some of these assassins more.
I've been replaying black flag recently. And the existence of assassins that predate the order or have no formal training or brotherhood remind me of how Kidd mentions that the Creed transcends language and culture.
I don’t care that an assassins creed game about Qulan gal would just be ghost of tsunami it would be cool!
I literally forget about that statue, thank u, I really wanted to know them when I was playing ac brotherhood
Even though we've spent a lot of time in Italy, i think we need a game during the Roman empire and Leonius could be the perfect opportunity for that.
I am currently playing ac 2 for the first time and I was wondering the stories of each statues. Thanks man.
I started playing some time ago, AC2 is a wonderful game. I am currently on Brotherhood and obsessed with it 😀
To say that Ubisoft had it all planned since AC2 is like saying George Lucas had the entire Clone Wars planned since name dropping it in A New Hope. Occam's Razor says they came up with the names and then weaved them into the story as the sequels rolled out.
This video should have been made like 10 years ago but thank you
True, I haven't really seen a video explaining these statues in depth. I've seen 1 but it was about 4 minutes long
In my opinion, IF Altair would’ve gotten as many installments as Ezio it would’ve been able to cover all the story content from his life that we missed including his connections & time spent working with these master assassin’s that we weren’t able to explore.
Honestly i feel like all these Assassins could have their own games but after what happened to Darius i dont know if i trust them to do it anymore
The fact amunet(aya) got a statue for her single indirect assassination instead of bayek basically destroying the order himself is a crime
Leonius that's a game I'd love to explore further
Now that we’ve explored most of myth and god-like power, we need the game for all legendary assassins
Of all these, Amunet and Iltani were by far the most interesting to me. I played a good bit of Origins but the constant "you're not high enough level" shit made me drop it. I wish we could have played as Aya but Bayek is still cool as hell. Iltani is the one I am most interested in. In any game, I am a huge sucker for poison, and to think Iltani's style was possibly centered around poisons is so damn cool, and I really wish we had a game to play as her.
It's been frustrating that Ubisoft hasn't done games featuring most of these Assassins and historical rulers, but there is always time to do it. They don't have to follow a linear timeline for their games. Now that they are cutting the modern storyline out of the games and having Assassin's Creed Infinity do it they should be able to jump around more freely.
I love assassins creed origins and i enjoyed every second i played as Bayek, but theres no reason they needed to set the orgin of the assassin's during that period of time. It undermines all of the connections to the assassins that these statues have,
That is the thing about assassins creed now. Like I'm sure the majority of the fans like an 80% base would love more historical like games. Where as is now they seem a bit too obssesed with showing more of the Isu people which hardly anyone asked for in that extent
I really want a Mongolian Assassin's Creed game with Qulan Gal
The Music alone would add hype more than the Shanties and Norse songs we've already had Lol
I recall hearing Ubisoft saying the Infinity platform will allow for more linear & short form stories will older characters from the franchise....
We can hope!
It would be cool if you were to cover the Assassin's Creed Novelizations at some point!
Maybe when I finish the remaining ones I have left
they really should make one in rome during roman times
imagine legionaires marching through the streets , the parkour would be amazing, the landscape would be crazy, the potential for plots is also huge as plotting was basicly the national sport of romans
you could find slaves germanics old legionaires and other undesirables in the assassins guild
I always ask with myself: Which is the mostly Ultimate Assassin ever from Assassin's Creed franchise, the one which is the more powerful one and virtually immortal? AC Odyssey and AC Valhalla just gave us a close that assassin I have in mind, but... still some things lacking for both Eivor and Kassandra/Alexios to be the Ultimate Assassins ever.
I think Bayek deserved the statue more
Mario really went from plumber to assassin.
One thing I love abt AC since im a pretty new fan is how many possibilities they have for stories with the Hidden Ones/Assassin's. Id say that my favorite pic for a game would be in the fall of Rome and reign of Justinian. Ive said this on multiple comment sections but its a perfect setup for the core story beats.
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A secret order throwing the world into chaos could be corrupt Roman officals which would have plenty of material to draw off of real life. Roman officials especially in Gaul were horrible to their populations of germanic peoples like force starvation, slavery, and basically sacrificing them in battle by making them bear the brunt of enemies. So perfect material for an order of ancients to cause havoc and ubi could easily tie in a dlc or storyline with the fall of the hidden ones in England to play setup for Valhalla. You could also tie in Attila in some manner to bring in further chaos to a crumbling branch of the hidden ones. We really havent seen the assassins/hidden ones lose their influence on an area so itd make for a fresh twist on the formula (from my knowledge)
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It would be awesome a assassins creed in Japan with samurai and shit get to work alongside a shogunate or assassinate one like some ronin that got kicked out of samurai class
@@classifiedinformation960 if you dont know there next ac game will be set in feudal japan
@@makiuswelmy guy AC Jade is a mobile game
@@Scuttlerofwhimsey jade is in china
@@makiuswel oooooooooooooh my bad.
When I first played this game I would have bet anything they were going to make a game centered on each one of these characters. I thought it was a no Brainerd at the time.
Ubisoft probably doesn't even remember these statues so i don't think there a gonna be any other games based on these statues
I can't believe i played this game when i was 8 😂 i wish i could experience it again
Hi sorry. First love your video and this was so helpful! The first emperor is pronounced like the word Chin. Sorry stickler for history.
Other than that thank you so much for this video! Your editing is good, your narration is good I have been dying for this info. Thanks
I love how, after AC2, we got to play games for all of these historic assassins🙌
Oh wait?…. None of these setup characters returned? Just 1 kinda?
I guess that makes sense they just threw away all the backstory, as they threw away the whole franchise recently 💀
So out of the 7 of them, 4 get a mainline entry.
Altair, obviously the 1st game and Revelations
Wei Yu, AC Jade
Darius, AC Odyssey
Amunet, AC Origins
The other 3 are basically either finished through other media or have yet to be made.
12:22 This would likely be impossible because Alexander the Great died 400 years before the events of AC origins
Great video! where do you get your information from? I have been trying to find reliable sources or even books that explain the lore in detail. Are there any books out there that you recommend, or comics dedicated to the AC lore? (Other than playing the games)
I think Altaïr should get his own game ngl
Huh????😂😂😂
Alexander the Great happens before Origins though Julius Caesar even talks about how much he admires him so there wouldn't be a britherhood unless they retconned origins to being the 2nd begininng of the Hidden One's much like how we assumed AC1 Assassin's was the beginning it was actually the 2nd beginning.
It's amazing to me that one of the statues there is there.....cause he got an assist kill. I'm talking about the Mongolian Assassin guy, he shot Genghis Kahn's Horse. Darim Ibn Altair killed Genghis himself.
Ubisoft could literally keep the francise running if they just make the subsequent games in the series about those 7 respectively but nooo the story about Loki reincarnate in Baghdad is more interesting to them i guess
I would love to see Kassandra meet every main assassin and templar and speak to them or watch them
In a dlc
It would be cool
No
I was just thinking that the first time I saw alexios in modern day clothing
@vincentmorgan900 Yeah, but sadly alexios is not canon
@@wolfranga8477 it's cool that you disagree
it's just my opinion
@Rexson29 I respect your opinion, but it would be really annoying if she appeared in every game. That makes her the main protagonist of the whole franchise. In which she's not and she never will be.
I am sure it will happen eventually it HAS to. We NEED a game for each of these assassins we will get it someday and need to actually see aya kill cleopatra so pissed they didn’t in origins.
Glad u made this🤝🏿
People do realise that because of origins it is impossible for Ilya i or wei yu to be assassins in any sense of the word as they won’t be created until AFTER the main game of origins which timeline wise takes place after the death of Alexander and the first emperor of china.
exactly.
Well then darius doesn't exist? Assasins exist since the ISU extinct, or when Adam and Eve escaped from ISU, but they just not called Assasin's Creed, nor Hidden Ones, they are all just mercenaries under the ideals of freedom, the shadow of Order that the Order of the Ancient bring
@@ariramadhan6362 uh no there not. There just individuals, Hidden ones are the assassins anyways. If those assassins are also let says mercenaries then fine but unless they just retcon origins they can’t be assassins period.
@@stubblytuna4068 so what is definition of assassin? Assasins creed, is the creed between Assasin's under altair's lead, hidden ones are the organization made to fought order of the Ancient, Assasins is some one that do assasination, so how there's no assasins before hidden ones?
@@ariramadhan6362 Yea sure you could have someone assassinating people like you did in odyssey. But it won’t be the same.