@@GamingMagic13 I have an idea of how bad it’ll get They will start talking about high school, but instead of talking about Minecraft mods and returning library books they’ll be talking about how they bullied some freshman and stole their stuff
I think Forky could have worked in a 20-minute special, like Toy Story Time Forgot or Toy Story of Terror. Imagine Bonnie brings Forky home, Woody introduces him to the other toys, and most of them have existential crises over Forky's sentience. Pricklepants and Buttercup have a philosophical debate, Rex stares off into space and questions his existence while Trixie tries to comfort him, and the Potato Heads conduct experiments where they place their eyes and mouths on inanimate objects to see if they'll come to life. Meanwhile, Woody, Buzz, and Dolly gently talk Forky out of his urge to throw himself away. Forky doesn't believe a human can ever love trash, so Woody explains how Forky's existence comforted Bonnie at school. Buzz tells Forky his story about believing he was a space ranger, how his entire world crumbled when he realized the truth, and how he learned the value of being a toy. Dolly tells Forky what a lovely girl Bonnie is and how much fun it is when she plays with them. In the end, the toys all conclude that they have no idea how Forky is alive, or how any of them are alive... but it doesn't matter. There's no use questioning it, because what's important is that they're alive for a purpose: to make their child happy. The message can be that there are no answers to life's biggest mysteries, but we can still find meaning in our lives. Forky accepts his role as a toy and sees the value in making Bonnie happy. The end.
If there’s anyone looking to make a fan-made short based on Toystory. Do this, just do this, it’s more brilliant than whatever story Toy Story 4 came up with.
THIS is how Forky should've been handled. It still has the deep themes and questions about toy sentience, but it's portrayed with a lot more respect and isn't overly complicated and stupid like TS4's take on it.
@@Tree_e888 Ikr? It's actually kinda insulting that they're putting this little effort in making toys for children (from a movie about toys) and expecting parents to just go "yeah, I'll spend $15 on something my kid could make with arts and crafts for free and I could buy them several toys with that money."
So if Buzz were to be pick up by a kid other than Andy and was the only toy, he wouldn't freeze? Then why has it never happened before? That part doesn't make any sense. Explain it.
@@D14MBK My Woody has come alive in front of me before and told me that he couldn’t hide it anymore, I don’t blame him. Just like I couldn’t hide my grief for the war much longer and told my entire family about it
@@D14MBK yeah you'd think there'd be endless calls from worried parents that the toy they got for their kid is suddenly moving and talking like it's under a satanic spell
It honestly blew my mind and makes me like the first one more, I always say the sign of a good movie is one that gets better the more you think about it :)
Bruh was so passionate about toy story 4, he had to break the multi-hour review into separate parts AND he doesn't lose his steam the entire time he is ranting. Much respect, very entertaining. Thank you for making this 💚
Not only that but have you noticed that every female character such as: Bonnie, Dolly, Doll from the antique shop, and bo peep kept treating woody like dirt?
That whole part in this video about how “you don’t have to be a space ranger to make a difference” genuinely made me tear up bro, it’s a message not many people get to hear nowadays That really actually brightened my day so much, so thank you for that haha
Another good one is from the Judas Contract: Terra: We’re Titans, we don’t serve soup. Jaime: *You don’t need to move a mountain to help people,* Terra.
Exactly. They're treating their audience like they're stupid, and unfortunately, judging by how most of them reacted to this abomination that dares to call itself a sequel, they apparently are that stupid.
I know! I had always wondered about this but never thought that deeply about it. The original trilogy made perfect sense and actually followed a logic.
@@phelpsgalloway4740 but when they are opened by kids why would they not get caught moving and why does this weird quirk only apply to buzz light year toys and not any others. Personally I think that toys have an innate urge to freeze for humans but that can be resisted
@@sunnymaster6968 I think both are true. It's an instinct most toys possess, but toys are also given different reasons based on their design and the character they are told to embody. Whether a preschool sleep-time teddy is supposed to be quiet, soothing, and unintimidating or a robot programmed to halt for user input, some toys have special instructions that others don't. Just like dog breeds that have tendencies, there will be individuals that have different personalities outside the expectations, but there are core tendencies that most posses. And... I'm thinking way harder about the fictional world of Toy Story then I ever pictured. I love the films, but never was a hard theorist.
The thing about this movie that pisses me off the most (Besides the ending) Is how It treated Buzz. He went from an extremely competent leader and loyal friend to a complete Idiot for the sake of one stupid running gag...fuck this movie...
It's like they couldn't figure out what his "gimmick" should be for this movie (2 had the Diluted Buzz copy, 3 had Spanish Buzz), so they just decided to throw logic out the window.
It is pretty concerning that professional writers' response to valid questions as to how something works in a universe they were hired to represent is "IDK, it could be this I guess, whatever don't think about it lol." They even purposely dismiss a possible theory that could fix their problem for them for no reason, while having no valid answer of their own. Where do they find these people? Can anyone off the street be hired as a writer for a major franchise nowadays? That is literally not an acceptable response for any writer to have about an important function in the universe they are writing for. Let alone writers who paid to work on a multimillion-dollar franchise.
Not once in the history of media have the words "just don't think about it" ever been needed to be made in the defense of stories that are legitimately good. In fact, the best stories shine even brighter the more you think about them. Hell, whether you believe Him to be completely fictional or truly the Only Begotten Son of God (I testify the latter), part of the reason Jesus Christ has become the most influential person to have ever lived on Earth is because one of His teaching methods was through parables, which are essentially soft riddles in story form, the answers of which were the morals He was trying to teach, and which could only be deciphered by *actively thinking about and analyzing the story He told.* Trying to hand-wave away universe destroying plot holes by saying "just don't think about it" isn't just antithetical to good storytelling, it's anathematic to the human condition. Whether you believe it the result of four billion years of evolution or one of the most precious gifts from God, the capacity to think, question, learn, and determine right from wrong is the single biggest factor that sets human beings apart from animals. The scientific name for "human" is "homo sapiens," which roughly translates to "I know," but bad storytellers, hacks, and their apologists will insist you disengage and atrophy your connection to the most unique thing in the universe just to make yourself dumb enough to enjoy their stupid movies. There's suspension of disbelief, and then there's GTFO.
One of the things I hated the most about this film is how they portrayed Buzz as DUMB. He is an intelligent and observant character, they did him 2nd most dirty. (1st is Woody)
I remember the good days of my sister happily playing with Woody until she decided to abandon him 7 years ago and that hit me so hard seeing Woody depressed under that bed of hers. In 2017, I came into my sisters bedroom to see them separating and it was the most heart wrenching thing to watch when my sister hugged Woody for the last time before Woody runs into my arms right in front of my sister. I still have Woody 5 years on
Another possible reason Toy Story 4 exists is to set up a possible spinoff such as a TV show on Disney+ about lost toys starring Woody and Bo Peep. Disney-Pixar probably don't really care about the story or the lore of Toy Story as much as they care about being able to make lots of money off of it.
And that's exactly why they made this unnecessary sequel in the first place. The third film gave us full closure, as the toys' relationship with Andy came full circle with him giving them to another child. It was the perfect ending to the film series. But because Bo Peep wasn't in it and fans demanded an official story for what happened to her instead of using their imaginations, Disney and Pixar realized they could make big bucks on a fourth installment. If they really cared about the integrity of the first three films they would've just done a spinoff film or series explaining Bo's whereabouts (or at the very least not made TS4 end with Woody leaving Bonnie and all the other toys behind for her). I think doing the shorts, specials, etc. is the best way to continue the series, which is why we absolutely did NOT need another movie to tell us about Bo's fate. They at least had the good sense not to recast Mr. Potato Head and reused dialogue that Don Rickles recorded for the first three films, so why in the world did they have to take a baseball bat to the message of the first three films, which was even more important?
@@hotwax9376 Another dumb thing is that it feels like they wrote half the film around Don Rickles dying and half the film under the rabid starvation of Bo Peep "fans."
It's so insane that the directors said themselves that their movie didn't make sense. Not even just little points, the entire thing. I didn't hate this movie or anything, but I do think that this movie has one of the worst endings of any story ever. I actually wanted to just scream out "WHAT?!?!?!" when it happened in the theater. If the ending wasn't the way it was, I'd probably be fine with this movie, but the ending is just so awful, out of nowhere and out of character that it makes the build up hard to sit through
One thing I always wondered about this movie, what would Andy think of this. At the end of Toy Story 3, he told Bonnie why Woody is so Important to him, asking her if she can have the responsibility to play with him. And now in Toy Story 4, she is technically broke Woody by ripping the badge off. To simplify what is happening, here’s a small script. (The End of Toy Story 3) Andy: You think you can take care of Woody for me? Bonnie: *nods* (Beginning of Toy Story 4) Bonnie: *rips Woody’s badge off and drops him on the floor* ByE tOyS!
My biggest hangup of all time with Toy Story is Woody for example. He said he was made in the late 50's, yet Andy was his first owner? Where the hell was woody for decades before finding Andy
The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is that Woody could’ve been passed down as a collector’s item/family heirloom or valuable since the 50s from Andy’s grandparents to his mom, then to him but Andy’s mom gave Woody to Andy as a toy as opposed to a cherished heirloom. I’d maybe liken it to those porcelain dolls from the late 1800s early 1900s where they became collectors items instead of children’s playthings. But instead Andy’s mom was like “nah screw that” and let Andy have Woody as a toy.
Probably was in the toy store way in the back for years and got bought before Andy was born or so. That's probably why Andy has a cowboy hat too because his mom got it for him at a very young age to pair with woody.
@HavePunWithIt This explanation actually makes a lot of sense, as you can hear Andy's mom describe Woody as an "old family toy" during the yard sale scene in Toy Story 2.
To be fair though, Woody was only intended to be just an ordinary cowboy rag doll with no backstory or intention of being based on an existing fictional character in-universe like Buzz obviously was during the production of the first Toy Story. The Woody’s Round-Up backstory and idea of being an old family toy didn’t come in until the crew decided to make a sequel to Toy Story.
Absolutely useless fun fact : for the French dub of the movie, they chose the most soulless voice actress ever to voice as Gabby Gabby. Literally no emotion whatsoever coming from her. Felt like a bored kid at school reading a script. Yea that didn't help Gabby Gabby as a character.
That just makes it worse, in a “so bad that it’s good” way. In my opinion, that is. Because it makes me think that the Annabelle parallel is even more prominent. Now, I know that isn’t what they were going for, I’m sure. But, it at least gives the movie *something* that makes it good. Sure, the movie still sucks, but if you’re forced to watch it, it’s best if you can at least find something to make it the least bit fun.
42:16 Also this line implies that asking for help means giving up, which is not the case at all. Sometimes you DO need a little help and asking for it is not a bad thing. This is a terrible message to send to children.
Even Arthur had an episode that gave the message of “it’s okay to sometimes ask for help”. The episode was “D.W. Gets Lost” and throughout the episode D.W. is trying to act grown up and gets lost in a grocery store and runs into one of her friends from preschool and then her imaginary friend suggests she asks her friend for help. D.W., still with a “trying to be a grown up” mentality rebuffs this idea telling her imaginary friend “I’m not a baby!” Then her imaginary friend tells her, “Sometimes grown ups ask for help too.” And that encourages D.W. to ask her friend for help. So an Arthur episode managed to tell kids that it’s okay to ask for help and that even when you grow up, you can still ask for help and that asking for help isn’t just for little kids very well.
@@hunterolaughlin what about toy story 3 where the toys in the incinerator gave up till they were rescued by the claw? And if your excuse is “that’s not the same thing” I hate to break it to you but it is and you saying it’s not doesn’t make it the truth.
The good thing about the director denying the Pixar theory: we can take it a step further and say this movie is not part of the toy story universe. I was honestly angry with how buzz was portrayed as a dumbass, that doesn't know what a fucking continence is!
@@korrblank1361 you constantly are replying to comments saying that this movie is not canon saying yes it is and if the director can deny the Pixar Theory than we can say that this movie is non canon.
@@judebaun9993 that’s not what he meant, he meant that the toy story universe isn’t connected to the other franchises such as a bug’s life, monsters inc, finding Nemo and the incredibles, (and many more) just to name a few.
@@judebaun9993 and it’s canon whether you like it or not, that and nobody said this idiotic stupidity before the rise of skywalker started dumbing them down.
OK. 1st, that's a utensil, not food itself. 2nd, unless you clean up between lunch & recess, playing with food could get you sick, as you could go to eat food off your hands, eat mud, & catch COVID!!!
@@korrblank1361 it was made into a toy because she puts engines on it and makes into the shape of a rocket ship so she did make into a toy and no a toy does not have to have a face to come to life because the Etch a Sketch is alive.
@@JadenMoon1475 cause i love procrastinating anyway no need to worry i passed all exams except one and that one i didn't pass because I just suddenly forgot everything i learned when I was sitting there. Anyway i passed it this year so no need to worry. Back to procrastinating for this year's exams
"He cannot support this because he is a toy" i remember in toy story 3 commentary pointing out that woody gets his stuffing kicked alot because he is a cloth figure, unlike Buzz who is made from solid plastic and is much stronger in comparison.
That Buzz section really hit heavy for me. God damn that was beautiful, down to the wire of following the song and its meaning. So freaking good, you should be critical reviewer.
I always thought that no other Disney movie would top Toy Story 4 as the most disrespectful to the previous projects in the franchise(s), then comes the Chip n’ Dale Rescue Rangers movie.
Seriously, I loved rescue rangers as a kid and when I heard there was a movie coming out I was NOT expecting that Watching that movie felt like a fever dream. So many unfunny jokes (not even sure how many were supposed to be jokes)
Frankly, that movie could've been any franchise from the Disney afternoon and made just about as much sense. It's pretty obvious they had an idea for a movie and then they just wanted some property on it the Disney wasn't really invested in that people would recognize. The only sequence they showed from the "original series" and how they beat the main bad guy at the end of the film, didn't even really follow the logic of Rescue Rangers, it was more like something straight out of Looney Tunes. Which drove the point home further, any cartoon would have done. Kind of surprised it wasn't an attempt at a Bonkers revival. If you wanted a zany cartoon, washed up actor turned detective in a Roger Rabbit style world full of cameos, why the fuck Chip and Dale? Probably because, as obscure as Chip and Dale have become in recent years, I guess nobody gives a fuck about Bonkers, aside from one TH-camr who turned out to be a groomer and a creep.
12:30 THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT!!! I also used that as a reason why Buzz freezes in the first movie, and have never heard anybody else use it making me feel alone in that sentiment.
But that's not enough though. There are extreme logical flaws even in the original trilogy with respect to the toys' sentience and the reason they freeze in the presence of humans. First off, why would a toy happily accept the fact that they're a child's plaything and they should all let the children play with them? How does every single toy know to freeze? We see that this isn't really an ingrained instinct inside them since Buzz apparently was doing it just to fit in. But what happens if a child hypothetically bought a Buzz Lightyear toy and he has no other toys? What if Buzz is literally his/her first toy? Would the toy just come to life and ask the child what his mission is? If so, then wouldn't this create chaos in the world and news would get out that Buzz Lightyear toys have something in them? Next, we see the barbies party in the next aisle but they're only doing it at night when the store owners are not there. This implies that they know they're toys to be played with and need to wait for a kid to pick them. However, they're brand new and in the shelf and have never met a used toy before so is this knowledge just ingrained in them? If so then why do Barbies get this treatment but not Buzz? And these two examples are just based on this video and I'm sure I can name a dozen more if I went back to watch the whole movies. And don't even get me started on the whole "freezing". Again, this isn't something ingrained in every toy by default since Buzz doesn't do it. Buzz has a reason to freeze but why do everyone else? We see in TS3 that toys have the same emotions as humans so why do they not feel the need to break this chain and long for freedom? Clearly not all toys are happy like we see the clown who was with Lotso so why would they care or bother to not freak out humans? Surely there were a few toys who were fed up with life and didn't care about the structure of the society. Surely there were a few rebels who tried to expose the toy world for what it is. The logic of this world fell apart the moment they introduced Buzz as a character in Toy Story 1. The world building logic of this movie was pretty much dead on arrival and we can't really blame TS4 for committing the same crime the last 3 movies did.
Let me try to fix Forkface (as much as I can) Instead of making it something Bonnie created, make it an old toy that belonged to the Kindergarten Teacher and she gave Bonnie the Toy cause she was lonely (and yes, this would also redeem the Teacher a little bit. The Toy would want to return home to it's former owner and would try to run away instead of just going to the Trash and has an actual reason to freeze when a human is arround
That right here should’ve been made better and it gives Bonnie the thought of what made these toys special and memorable to Andy and she’ll always cherish them in his stead until she gets old.
The worst thing about this movie is that with Forky's existence, now we have to question if every single goddamn appliance in their world is alive like a stove if we put googly eyes on it.
It's only if you play with them, if you treat them like a toy, they become a toy. Like Bo peep, she's not a toy, but she was played with so she became one
I cannot comprehend Forky's existence. If he is not a toy but a spork, then how does putting arms and a face make it come alive? Definitely a question even the director admits is so stupid. Again I agree with you who wrote Forky into the script? I made arts and crafts in Kindergarten that looked like LEGO compared to that stupid spork. I would make a better Toy Story 4 then Josh Cooley.
Then again, remember how in Toy Story of Terror, there was a character called Lego Bunny, who can take the form of anything? Is there a limitation to that?
@@osmanyousif7849 Legos are intended to be played with. Sporks are eating utensils. Anything meant to be a toy or decoration (the only purpose) can come to life in this universe. Just because you could play with a cup does not mean that the cup should come to life. It already has a purpose.
You know, movies always turn out bad when the portray main characters as the “ideal” ones (although the only thing that keeps them from being actually saint is the presence of brains) and the rest as a walking garbage Huh
I cannot imagine thinking you can include something that throws everything in the story on its head and just say “lol no one should ask anyone because we won’t explain a thing”
I remember being excited to see this movie. Especially to watch the dynamic duo of Buzz and Woody having adventures together. Well I couldn't be more wrong.What we got instead was a plot device called..... Forky🙄
28:18 Even if Bonnie and her mom didn't hear Forky screaming then they absolutely should've heard Woody's voicebox go off since he used his pull string to grab the damn spork. But no, apparently people in this movie have the most selective hearing known to mankind :)
Jesus Christ, I'm only at the end of Part 2 and it already feels like they didn't proofread or edit the first damn draft of the screenplay at all.... On the upside though, as an aspiring writer this analysis and deconstruction is giving me *several* extremely helpful hints about specifically what not to do in writing a cohesive story. Props to you, dude
6:50 -- there's a bigger issue even then "the creators don't like the pixar theory." After all, Death of the Author means that what they intend doesn't much matter. What is important is that this is never established. it is a fantheory masquerading as an official solution in the minds of those who believe it. The whole Forky thing really does make me wonder the limits. A lot of them are discussed already, but what happens if Forky falls apart? If the glue dissolves or the pipe cleaners aren't connected anymore? Does he cease to be sentient or does he maintain control over his disparate parts? Do they each have their own brain or can he control them? We didn't need to know the limits before they actively started pushing them.
I do think that it's acceptable that Woody wants to prove he can still tale care of something. It's stupid that he's insisting on this even after being proven wrong, but I believe that he believes it. A problem not really touched on is that while the toys do freeze at night, I don't believe its established that they need to sleep.
1:00:00 here's a fun fact. There's a deleted scene from Cars where there was going to be what I believe was a dream sequence where McQueen would have his engine put into a steamroller which would transfer his consciousness to let him fix the road. Then they put Mater's engine in McQueen's body. In addition to just being a dream, they cut it because raising questions about the mechanics of their world was something they realized was a bad idea. They forgot that in this film.
I wonder, if you make a toy out of plasticine, will it come to life? And if so, can it blind a copy of itself from its body? And what makes a toy strong? The material from which it is made? This gives so many questions...
@@DoctorPhileasFragg We never hear those toys speak, though. We don't know if they all have their own brain or if they are controlled by whatever they were once attached to. We do know that the Potato Heads can see through disconnected eyes and such, but since their parts are designed to be removed we don't know if that's something every toy can do. We presume not since Buzz's arm doesn't move when it's detatched, but it's not certain.
You know what 15:53 to 16:09 I feel like THAT would've been a WAAAY better plot than the toy story 4 we got and it should also be about Bonnie trying to save and protect her toys from being destroyed. I wish we could have that plot or fanfiction instead and make that one canon
Buzz has unfortunately found himself suffering from “Knuckles syndrome” in which his naivety is played off as stupidity after his character peaks despite the fact they’ve obviously grown past that.
Other things in this world can be alive too, apparently. In TS2, Hamm told the others when looking for Woody's hat: "The lawn gnome next door hasn't found it, but he'll keep looking."
It was also implied that Christmas decorations/ornaments are alive as well. In TS3, Woody mentioned that they were in the attic and the toys groaned about being with them. And in TS That Time Forgot, Bonnie was playing with a Christmas ornament (Angel Cat.)
"He's kind of lonely because Bo Peep isn't around" So then WHY IN THE HOLY HELL DOES HE STAY WITH ANDY FOR THE REST OF HIS TIME GROWING UP?? Yes, there's a tinge of sadness in 3 when he briefly mentions losing toys over the years, including Bo, but you don't get the sense that he feels he's made the wrong decision or even that there was a decision to make in the first place! And while I always loved Buzz's arc from the first movie, having it put into actual words made me appreciate it EVER so more, and what a beautiful moment the conversation between him and Woody the night before "liftoff" was. And then there's THIS FUCKING DUMBASS WHO CAN'T TELL WHAT WOODY MEANS BY INNER VOICE DESPITE THEM BEING FRIENDS FOR YEARS AND HIM SHOWING MULTIPLE MOMENTS OF CONSCIENCE (you know, THE INNER VOICE??). THIS FUCKING MOVIE I CAN'T EVEN
Apologies for getting all sweary, the dumb, DUMB moments of this movie make me angry. It's always left a bad taste in my mouth and feeling in my soul from the moment rumors of it popped up.
Maybe by "lonely" they meant "horny", as is a common euphemism. "Woody was _horny_ without Bo Peep" because she was his girlfriend, he didn't rebound with Dolly as hinted at in Toy Story 3, and Jessie is effectively his sister and dating Buzz so that was a no-go.
It's honestly baffling how no one on the writing team or production team was brave enough to go to Josh Cooley and say, "Maybe, just maybe, this movie won't make any sense and will fall flat on its face", and it's even more embarrassing that Cooley admits that the movie makes zero sense in the commentary.
Just got hit with a sore throat and fever but you know what this video just made my day! Can’t wait to see the rest of the analysis videos and I hope you still have some sanity left after dealing with this terrible movie!
Holy crap, the director commentary makes it PAINFULLY clear that the guys who made this movie don't care about kids movies enough to make them with the slightest bit of thought or effort. The only things they were interested in when making this movie were nostalgia baiting, making it look pretty, working with big names in the industry, and collecting a paycheck.
The 4th was actually the first time I was uncomfortable watching a Toy Story film. So here's a simple rule that every one of the film's tries to follow when it's not relevant to the plot: If Humans are on screen, the toys are either in hiding or lifeless. When the toys are doing things, the movies will go out of their way to avoid showing any other characters than the toys. Until I watched 4, I didn't realize it was to enforce your suspension of disbelief. The less humans you saw, the more you could relate to the toy's struggles and forget how concerning living toys would actually be as a concept. Something that only became more apparent as 4 rolled on into an antique store. Nothing bothered me more than the cast jumping across carnival stations with the moon igniting them by the back, and the tops of carnival goers bounding about in frame. By this point the toys had taken such obvious risks that I was pulled completely out of the movie on the grounds that there wasn't some conspiracy theorist tailing the main cast.
I never was bugged by Buzz's "playing toy" without being expressly told all these years. I never noticed all the subtle actions the first film makes to explain it. Thanks for pointing it out, I have a new found respect for Toy Story 1's world building.
One reason the original toys were sidelined so much in Toy Story 4 may have been so that Disney-Pixar could market new Toy Story toys such as Duke Caboom and Ducky and Bunny better.
This movie is a brilliant allegory. Forky is the movie itself, recognizing it is trash and wanting to desperately throw itself away, while the other toys are the critics wanting to desperately convince themselves that it does not belong in there. :P
I feel I would've loved Gabby if they actually committed to her villainy, they introduced so many horror elements to make her stand out and make a first impression as some new and twisted for the franchise, The dead voice box being especially bone chilling. It's risky to make animated villains truly terrifying, but it often pays of like in Puss in Boots: The Last Wish. But they actively exploit Woody's capacity to find the good in people without needing anything in return to force a redemption arc. Imagine if Woody felt like he needed to help her simply cause she needed help but ultimately had more important things to get done, such as getting back to Bonnie. He would reluctantly leave, feeling sorry because she was unable to find love and Gabby would lash out, feeling like he owes her and put Forky's life on the line to get what she wants from him, being okay to take anything away from Woody if it pays off. That would challenge Woody's personal values towards morality, just like it did in Toy Story 3 when Lotso exploited and left him.
I’m gonna guess the scene that nukes the movie is the poultry palace shot where bonnie is playing with woody and forkface. The movie has this thing it’s trying to build up where woody is unhappy that he isn’t being played with and yet in that shot, aside from forkface, he’s the only one she’s playing with. Plus, that’s the only thing I noticed in that series of shots that wasn’t forkface making a beeline for a trashbin and woody finding different ways of stopping him.
Here's how I would change Toy Story 4: - I would keep the intro. Nonetheless, I would also remove the Operation Pull Toy sequence with the window. I would have Buzz and Jessie work together to open the window. Rex or one of the other toys can be shown retrieving the barrel of monkeys and helping Bo pull Woody up. - Woody would consider joining Bo in the intro, but he would see his boot instead of Andy. Andy would enter the scene only after the car leaves. - Bonnie's parents are more caring and buy her a box of supplies meant to create a toy, but she loses the base form. Thus, Woody gives her a spork, resulting in the creation of Forky. - Woody has traumatic visions of the incinerator when he sees Forky attempt to throw himself into the trash. Woody, Jessie, and Buzz would probably experience trauma from the first three movies in their own way. Overcoming your trauma doesn't always mean that it simply disappears. - Buzz accidentally presses his chest button due to a bump on the road, allowing Forky to escape and throw himself out the window. - Woody promises to meet his friends at the carnival at a set time. Woody, Slinky, and Jessie jump out the window together, but Buzz is stopped when Bonnie momentarily wakes up. - Woody repetitively attempts to convince Forky that he matters, but he keeps failing due to Forky's many questions. Woody tells him the story of his life as well. - Gabby Gabby is much more menacing. There is a scene where she tortures Wheezy for his squeaker only to realize that it is not a voicebox. He is saved by a hooded figure. - Bo Peep meets Woody in the antique store instead of in the park. Harmony takes them both to the park. - Bo gradually becomes more and more embittered over the course of the film due to Gabby Gabby's taunts and the hardships throughout the course of the film. - I would remove Ducky and Bunny completely. - The toys search for Woody and the others to the best of their ability. They have much more significant roles in this film. Bonnie's parents decide to stay a little longer to cheer Bonnie up. - Buzz would not get strapped and become the grand prize. Instead, he would fly over the carnival and accidentally crash in an attempt to avoid birds and the rides. then, he would be captured by Gabby Gabby upon seeing the antique store and Forky. - Duke Caboom and Jessie create a distraction as Woody and Slinky free Buzz. He is apparently torn to pieces. Desperate to save her sheep, Bo attempts to save them from the cat. However, Woody risks his life to save Bo, causing Forky to wonder about the meaning of being a toy. - Gabby Gabby reveals that Harmony has always wanted a Gabby Gabby doll. Thus, it is revealed that Gabby Gabby believes that it is her purpose to be there for Harmony no matter what. This causes Forky to question his suicidal tendencies entirely and eventually accept his calling as a toy. - The sheep find the other toys and take them to reunite with Woody. They avoid being seen and strapped. - Bonnie and her parents begin searching for the toys. - Gabby Gabby threatens Forky directly, forcing Woody to surrender. Harmony has the voicebox installed into her. However, Harmony rejects her when Woody's voice plays. - Gabby Gabby is absolutely crushed by Harmony's rejection, but Jessie encourages her to join them upon remembering her time isolated from the world. - Rex, Trixie, and a few other toys stay behind in an attempt to pop the tires to buy time, but it has little to no success. - Bo attempts to defeat Gabby Gabby to avenge her friends, but Woody stops her. - The toys regroup at the carousel, but several street cats catch them. In a recreation of the chase scene at the end of the first Toy Story, they finally make it back to the trailer. Duke Caboom is alive and creates another distraction for the group, trapping the cats. Buzz flies Forky to the trailer as Woody and Jessie watch in pride. - Bo offers Woody to join her, but Woody refuses, remembering his promise to Andy and Buzz. However, a few of the toys, including Mr. and Mrs. Potato Head, join her and Duke. Woody and Bo ride away from one another. Bo reflects on the days with Andy and Molly as Woody and Buzz say, "To infinity and beyond, old timer..." Meanwhile, Bo says, "So long, move buddy..." - Gabby Gabby ventures on her own, determined to find her own destiny. - In a post-credits scene, Gabby Gabby is donated to Sunnyside at the end, where she meets the other toys there. - In another post-credits scene, Duke and Bo run into Utility Belt Buzz, a few new toys, and a modified Zurg, who tells them that they have a situation. - In one last post-credits scene, a man finds Woody's voicebox, who laughs nervously yet sadistically upon listening to it. The man is revealed to be Sid Phillips. Please let me know how this sounds! I will happily listen to any criticisms! Let me know if you want to hear my ideas for Toy Story 5 and 6!
Your writing is way way way WAY better than what the "professional" writers did... I have three words for this shit movie.... Fuck... this.... movie................
Honestly, why is it so important that Forkface not throw himself in the trash? 1. We've seen that once he's in the trash he's perfectly content to simply stay in there. He doesn't even try to go the garbage dump. 2. Once Bonnie notices that Forkface is gone she immediately starts looking for him and her parents are happy to help her. She'll find her spork toy in the trash and fish him out to keep playing with him without Woody's constant interference.
I think Toy Story 4 exists as a way to make even more money off of the Toy Story brand via toys and the movie itself and to keep the franchise relevant to people in general. I believe Buzz Lightyear toys in particular are some of Disney-Pixar's best selling toys. Maybe Toy Story 4 was a way of keeping such sales numbers high. Toy Story 4 is most definitely a cash grab meant to cash in while they had Tom Hanks and Tim Allen available and for the reasons given above.
Whoever decided to make a spin-off serie about Forky had a terrible idea. Seriously, nobody likes him! He's not cute, funny or brave. All this character does is throwing himself into garbage cans and trusting a person he never met aka Gaby Gaby. That's it! There's nothing interresting about Forky. Making a show where he's the main character is not brillant, it's stupid :S If it was about Rex or Slinkey before they met Woody, that could be fun to see. I like thoses characters and seeing their lives sounds entertaining. At least they are charming and funny compare to Forky.
“Bonnie is shown happily playing with woody outside paltry palace.” PLAYING WITH WOODY! OH BUT I THOUGHT WOODY NEVER GOT PLAYED WITH. The The director is in this movie clearly didn’t think this out 🤦🏽♂️
Wow. Hearing the director just up and admit, happily, that their movie didn't make sense when broken down was hilarious. No wonder I didn't care for this movie despite knowing the characters since childhood, yet something like Gravity Falls catches my interest with characters I had little to no familiarity with beforehand. They legitimately just didn't care about the one thing that helps a movie or show stand the test of time the best: the writing.
I'm really enjoying this series so far! I tip my hat to your level of analysis. I'm surprised you didn't talk about toys sleeping. Correct me if I'm wrong, but toys have never been shown to need sleep before. Also, that would radically raise the probability of getting 'caught.' What if Bonnie woke up in the middle of the night and noticed her Woody doll had a completely different expression? If toys need sleep, there's no way something like this hasn't happened multiple times before.
I'm actually surprised you didn't called called Gaby Gaby's Ventriloquist Dummy army Slappy from the Goosebumps Franchise. Because they have a very striking resembles to Slappy from the covers of the Original Goosebumps Books as well as the movies. But I digress.
@@GamingMagic13 Fair enough. However if you are curious about the franchise then I recommend reading the Original Series Books that started it all. However I advise you to 1. Read them at your own time because 2. Never and I mean NEVER marathon this series. Because believe or not there are I kid you not 62 Books in the Original Series. Because 3. Believe or not I'm currently doing a Marathon on the franchise back when it was massively popular (1992-1997) where not only I would read the Original 62 Books that started the series but also watch the Goosebumps Tv Series from 1995 (which you can watch on both TH-cam and Netflix) and read 11 miscellaneous those being 9 Short Stories and Two Additional Books as well and the marathon has been a huge pain for me to the point that after I got sick earlier this month I had to put my marathon on a very long hiatus until I graduate from College so I can focus more on my health. Because College is a pain to deal with. If you wanna know where can you find the books well not to worry heres a link from Internet Archives that have all 62 Books if you are curious about them. This link will take you to the first book of the entire series. Welcome to Dead House and there you will find the other books on this link as well. archive.org/details/goosebumpsseries/Goosebumps%2001welcome%20to%20dead%20house/
Never thought about Forky being a living plot hole. By his own logic Sids Toys he molds together should’ve had different personalities since they’re a new “Toy”.
Yeah, it's 24:26, no doubt about it. How did they leave that in? Oh I know why, because nobody in the writters room cared about this movie, they just cared about making money out of forkface toys. 20 fucking dollars, I'm not kidding. FOR A FORK!!!
16:02 Now that you bring that up, that would be interesting for a toy story spinoff: Basically a toy story film that takes place in an alternate timeline where toys are no longer played with by children, are known to be alive by the entire world and all have gone into hiding because humans now think they are very dangerous and will either destroy them or the government will try to do experiments on them And all of that happens because of forkface ruining everything
"But it doesn't matter because I'm going to be calling them Annabelle and Chucky regardless" Actually given how the one in the suit looks so similar I would've gone with Slappy from Goosebumps but that's just me.
To be honest, I don't think Matpat dropped the ball by trying to explain forkface's being alive and all. I believe he had to get to his conclusion because the movie made it canon, and that's cause the director and writers didn't give a shit about sticking to the universe's rules. Kind of like when superman's writers gave him any power that they wanted, so he could beat any issue he was facing. It didn't always make sense, but we had to accept it because the official staff made it Canon without caring about logic.
The difference is that Cinemasins is mainly about comedy. Most of the sins are just things they ignore. This is an actual breakdown and interesting criticism
Oh my god, I love these videos. I was really angry when I watched Toy Story 4 because I thought it was bad and it didn't make any sense, but still I didn't notice all the details you mentioned. I'm glad you decided to talk about this movie. By the way, I loved how you used that Van Zieks clip whenever you said "destroy". Seeing Susato made me happy as well.
Honestly Fork Face might be alive because he is just considered a toy. Not an imagination or just being played with per say but just because he is considered a toy via the arrangement of parts which would explain why why other inanimate object isn't alive. Except the spaceship box Bony made + the fact that it would make no sense for the other toys to be surprised by this than. Eh , at least I tried.
There IS a reason for those lights to be spattered on the ground....because now Woody FINALLY has "Fork Face" almost convinced that Bonnie needs him to be a toy and now these idiot directors need to throw in the stupid twist of Woody being reunited with Bo to justify the INSULTING ending of this painfully insulting movie. And watching this movie, and the dynamic between Woody and Bo....it doesn't seem like Bo REALLY CARES about Woody (both when she leaves AND when he finds her again). The only reason she even said goodbye to him was that HE came to rescue HER and then when they meet at the carnival, she seems actually ANNOYED that he showed up in her life again and she DOESN'T want him around to muck with her new-found happiness....which makes the ending EVEN MORE PAINFULLY WRONG. BTW, you just perfectly articulated why I LOATHE this movie and why I DO NOT consider it to be part of the Toy Story trilogy. For me, the REAL Toy Story plot ended with the third movie.
Im glad you explained the whole thing about why buzz plays along in the first movie because I genuinely never understood that all these years, but i never asked for anwsers either. I kinda just passed the idea as "look, it's a kid's movie, don't think too hard about plot holes and let your kids have fun enjoying watching it."
54:00 lmao for the director to say that out loud i appreciate the absurd effort you put into even the seemingly tiny details that actually do have larger ramifications
The thing that bothers me a lot about forky is the implications of what his character was supposed to be and how the writers didn’t had the balls to do it. is very easy to see forky as a character with special needs, to the way he talks, to his actions and how others treat him, and Pixar would (and already did in some shorts) definitely create a character that in canon requires special needs and it would be beautiful. along side that he’s apparently suicidal (with unfortunately there’s a link with people who have mental issues and suicide) but instead of making a character that has to overcome all of this hardships to becomes bonnie’s emotional support toy what did they do to him ? They made him a comic relief character that was a pain on wood’s ass at the begging and magically made him a more “funcional” toy at the middle of the movie…fantastical.
11:19 I think an easier explanation of this is that buzz is a toy while forkie is not and it makes no sense that forkie, a NOT TOY, respects the physics that toys go through. Like is he a toy or not?
You are witty and well spoken. You’re really talented, and your movie reviews are second to none. I had a weird childhood and never watched toy story, but I could watch this all day. THANK YOU
Wow, you clearly explained why Buzz freezes in a very concise manner. I had thought of a somewhat similar explanation, but you put it into words perfectly. Great job!
44:16 I think the parents DID hear Buzz but didn’t care cause they probably thought he was one of those toys that will say lines every now and then unless it’s turned off or runs out of battery
I just finished your Incredibles videos too. You've been doing a good job calling out these movies that aren't even as great as their predecessors. Keep doing what you doing bro.
I enjoyed TS4 for what it was but I absolutely love your commentary. Your editing is fantastic also, so engaging and fast-paced. I cant image how long editing one of these must take haha.
The more I look at TS4 and it's flaws, the more it makes me wish the film had a better written script or an alternate cut. Because while the idea of a 4th toy story movie sounds very stupid, most of the elements aren't too bad and could've worked if executed better (and if you had a more competent director in charge instead of Josh). Plus instead of making the movie about Woody and Bo, they should've made it about him and Buzz. Like put their friendship to the test and basically go full-circle with TS1's events. You can still have Bo, Forky and the lost toys aspect, but make the main duo the focus. Like maybe during the scene where Woody jumps out of the RV to find Forky, Buzz tags along with Woody to help him find the spork. And then during that scene they could both have an argument where Buzz gets furious at Woody for not letting him or the others help out look after Forky (sorta like the gas station scene from TS1). And hell, maybe even have a better excuse for Woody and Forky entering the Antique Shop. Like Forky runs off again, and both Woody and Buzz have to catch him which lead them to the said shop. Etc etc. I mean it still wouldn't be great, but it still would've at least been better than what we got in the actual movie.
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The Director Commentary literally feels like two villains monologuing about their evil plans unaware that they are being recorded
You have no idea how bad it’s going to get.
@@GamingMagic13 I have an idea of how bad it’ll get
They will start talking about high school, but instead of talking about Minecraft mods and returning library books they’ll be talking about how they bullied some freshman and stole their stuff
@@AvertAT There is no way that’s in the actual director’s commentary is it? I haven’t seen the director’s commentary yet so I wouldn’t know.
@@falconheavy0533 I’m just joking around
I haven’t seen the commentary either
@@AvertAT Thank goodness. It’ll still probably be awful though.
I think Forky could have worked in a 20-minute special, like Toy Story Time Forgot or Toy Story of Terror. Imagine Bonnie brings Forky home, Woody introduces him to the other toys, and most of them have existential crises over Forky's sentience. Pricklepants and Buttercup have a philosophical debate, Rex stares off into space and questions his existence while Trixie tries to comfort him, and the Potato Heads conduct experiments where they place their eyes and mouths on inanimate objects to see if they'll come to life.
Meanwhile, Woody, Buzz, and Dolly gently talk Forky out of his urge to throw himself away. Forky doesn't believe a human can ever love trash, so Woody explains how Forky's existence comforted Bonnie at school. Buzz tells Forky his story about believing he was a space ranger, how his entire world crumbled when he realized the truth, and how he learned the value of being a toy. Dolly tells Forky what a lovely girl Bonnie is and how much fun it is when she plays with them.
In the end, the toys all conclude that they have no idea how Forky is alive, or how any of them are alive... but it doesn't matter. There's no use questioning it, because what's important is that they're alive for a purpose: to make their child happy. The message can be that there are no answers to life's biggest mysteries, but we can still find meaning in our lives. Forky accepts his role as a toy and sees the value in making Bonnie happy. The end.
how interesting that a random person on the internet can write a better plot idea than the 'professional' writers at a multibillion company
this is legitimately fucking amazing, good on you man
If there’s anyone looking to make a fan-made short based on Toystory. Do this, just do this, it’s more brilliant than whatever story Toy Story 4 came up with.
Pixar: write that down!
THIS is how Forky should've been handled. It still has the deep themes and questions about toy sentience, but it's portrayed with a lot more respect and isn't overly complicated and stupid like TS4's take on it.
I loved how Disney marketed Forkface for $15 when everyone saw the character created from $0.50 worth of trash
Wait really?
You could make around 20 Forkwads for less than half that price.
Bruh, why would anyone waste $15 on a damn makeshift spork toy?
@@JayRedGear yeah like you can literally make that at home for $0, Disney is tripping!
@@Tree_e888 Ikr? It's actually kinda insulting that they're putting this little effort in making toys for children (from a movie about toys) and expecting parents to just go "yeah, I'll spend $15 on something my kid could make with arts and crafts for free and I could buy them several toys with that money."
i love how the directors commentary is just “if our movie looks pretty, our audience won’t realize how bad it is”
“Kids will watch a mediocre movie as long as the art is good”
I mean it worked with Frozen 2
@@47ratsinahoodie And Ralph breaks the internet
"I don't care about the kids, I only care about their parent's money!" -Mr Krabs
It also worked with HTTYD 3
Finally!!!
Someone has destroyed the "Buzz didn't freeze in the first movie" perceived plot hole in a satisfying way.
So if Buzz were to be pick up by a kid other than Andy and was the only toy, he wouldn't freeze? Then why has it never happened before? That part doesn't make any sense. Explain it.
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My Woody has come alive in front of me before and told me that he couldn’t hide it anymore, I don’t blame him. Just like I couldn’t hide my grief for the war much longer and told my entire family about it
@@nicolelawless3199 good for you einstein
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I’m glad I didn’t get rid of him now because I knew he’d come alive one day
@@D14MBK yeah you'd think there'd be endless calls from worried parents that the toy they got for their kid is suddenly moving and talking like it's under a satanic spell
I have never seen anyone offer a good explanation of why Buzz froze in TS1 until now and it makes perfect sense
It honestly blew my mind and makes me like the first one more, I always say the sign of a good movie is one that gets better the more you think about it :)
I personally was never bothered by Buzz freezing up in the first film and it honestly makes sense
Bruh was so passionate about toy story 4, he had to break the multi-hour review into separate parts AND he doesn't lose his steam the entire time he is ranting. Much respect, very entertaining. Thank you for making this 💚
Should I say that apparently the Toy Story trilogy made his childhood?
Not only that but have you noticed that every female character such as: Bonnie, Dolly, Doll from the antique shop, and bo peep kept treating woody like dirt?
Bonnie did literally nothing. Buzz off.
@@isavenewspapers8890 "Buzz off" 🤓
@@PeruvianPotato Yeah.
It's a "girl power" movie! /s
@@TailsFan because that's how you make strong female characters, you make men WEAK AND DULL AS A F***ING TWIG! Great Job Deeznesy!
That whole part in this video about how “you don’t have to be a space ranger to make a difference” genuinely made me tear up bro, it’s a message not many people get to hear nowadays
That really actually brightened my day so much, so thank you for that haha
Another good one is from the Judas Contract:
Terra: We’re Titans, we don’t serve soup.
Jaime: *You don’t need to move a mountain to help people,* Terra.
I understood that reference.
Yoo I thought I was the only one who teared up at that part. It really was beautiful writing man. ❤️
Timestamp?
“If I wanted to kill myself I’d climb dolly’s ego and jump down to her IQ” had me burst out in laughter- genius writing dude
Came here to say that, what a line 😂😂
That was a good line!
Not high enough for me. I need guarantee death and I still think that is not high enough for me.
Stolen joke
Exactly. They're treating their audience like they're stupid, and unfortunately, judging by how most of them reacted to this abomination that dares to call itself a sequel, they apparently are that stupid.
that section where you explained why buzz freezes is really good and makes me love the original trilogy even more
I know! I had always wondered about this but never thought that deeply about it. The original trilogy made perfect sense and actually followed a logic.
But what about every other buzz light year or any other toy
I don't remember the other buzz from toy story 2 freezing in front of humans ever XD.
And remember they have "special orders" to not leave the box
@@phelpsgalloway4740 but when they are opened by kids why would they not get caught moving and why does this weird quirk only apply to buzz light year toys and not any others. Personally I think that toys have an innate urge to freeze for humans but that can be resisted
@@sunnymaster6968 I think both are true.
It's an instinct most toys possess, but toys are also given different reasons based on their design and the character they are told to embody.
Whether a preschool sleep-time teddy is supposed to be quiet, soothing, and unintimidating or a robot programmed to halt for user input, some toys have special instructions that others don't.
Just like dog breeds that have tendencies, there will be individuals that have different personalities outside the expectations, but there are core tendencies that most posses.
And... I'm thinking way harder about the fictional world of Toy Story then I ever pictured.
I love the films, but never was a hard theorist.
The thing about this movie that pisses me off the most (Besides the ending) Is how It treated Buzz. He went from an extremely competent leader and loyal friend to a complete Idiot for the sake of one stupid running gag...fuck this movie...
Don't worry, we'll be properly diving into how they destroyed Buzz in next week's episode.
@@GamingMagic13 Also, the part where you talked about Buzz's character arc reminded me just how good the first film was...
I’m assuming they did it because of Tim Allen’s political views. He’s republican that liked Trump so hurr durr he dumb now.
It's like they couldn't figure out what his "gimmick" should be for this movie (2 had the Diluted Buzz copy, 3 had Spanish Buzz), so they just decided to throw logic out the window.
Oh, ho ho ho ho.... I can't wait for an analysis demolishing the Lightyear movie.
It is pretty concerning that professional writers' response to valid questions as to how something works in a universe they were hired to represent is "IDK, it could be this I guess, whatever don't think about it lol." They even purposely dismiss a possible theory that could fix their problem for them for no reason, while having no valid answer of their own. Where do they find these people? Can anyone off the street be hired as a writer for a major franchise nowadays? That is literally not an acceptable response for any writer to have about an important function in the universe they are writing for. Let alone writers who paid to work on a multimillion-dollar franchise.
*for no reason other than potentially to spite the audience.
He’s a minority. Therefore he’s flawless
Not once in the history of media have the words "just don't think about it" ever been needed to be made in the defense of stories that are legitimately good. In fact, the best stories shine even brighter the more you think about them. Hell, whether you believe Him to be completely fictional or truly the Only Begotten Son of God (I testify the latter), part of the reason Jesus Christ has become the most influential person to have ever lived on Earth is because one of His teaching methods was through parables, which are essentially soft riddles in story form, the answers of which were the morals He was trying to teach, and which could only be deciphered by *actively thinking about and analyzing the story He told.*
Trying to hand-wave away universe destroying plot holes by saying "just don't think about it" isn't just antithetical to good storytelling, it's anathematic to the human condition. Whether you believe it the result of four billion years of evolution or one of the most precious gifts from God, the capacity to think, question, learn, and determine right from wrong is the single biggest factor that sets human beings apart from animals. The scientific name for "human" is "homo sapiens," which roughly translates to "I know," but bad storytellers, hacks, and their apologists will insist you disengage and atrophy your connection to the most unique thing in the universe just to make yourself dumb enough to enjoy their stupid movies.
There's suspension of disbelief, and then there's GTFO.
it's called nepotism. nobody in hollywood is hired for merit alone anymore. in fact, merit has become more of a bonus, than recquirement.
"Trash shouldn't move" would be my best explanation for why Forky freezes, but it's still not a very good one.
That's the most plausible explanation imo.
@@Raya-ir4tm As in from a human’s perspective, trash shouldn’t move. Like how from a human’s perspective, toys shouldn’t move.
As Mac said in The Sandlot 2: *Ah, hem* I don't bet trash. I burn it.
No, woody taught forky to freeze as he did buzz in the 1st movie.
One of the things I hated the most about this film is how they portrayed Buzz as DUMB. He is an intelligent and observant character, they did him 2nd most dirty. (1st is Woody)
I remember the good days of my sister happily playing with Woody until she decided to abandon him 7 years ago and that hit me so hard seeing Woody depressed under that bed of hers. In 2017, I came into my sisters bedroom to see them separating and it was the most heart wrenching thing to watch when my sister hugged Woody for the last time before Woody runs into my arms right in front of my sister. I still have Woody 5 years on
@@nicolelawless3199 give woody a kissy or something.
Woody's arc is outstanding
They did not, he’s still as smart as he was in the previous movies.
@@korrblank1361 yes they did. He’s no where near as smart as he was in the original trilogy.
Another possible reason Toy Story 4 exists is to set up a possible spinoff such as a TV show on Disney+ about lost toys starring Woody and Bo Peep.
Disney-Pixar probably don't really care about the story or the lore of Toy Story as much as they care about being able to make lots of money off of it.
Well, Pixar, while not perfect, are artists first. Modern Disney, on the other hand...
And that's exactly why they made this unnecessary sequel in the first place. The third film gave us full closure, as the toys' relationship with Andy came full circle with him giving them to another child. It was the perfect ending to the film series. But because Bo Peep wasn't in it and fans demanded an official story for what happened to her instead of using their imaginations, Disney and Pixar realized they could make big bucks on a fourth installment. If they really cared about the integrity of the first three films they would've just done a spinoff film or series explaining Bo's whereabouts (or at the very least not made TS4 end with Woody leaving Bonnie and all the other toys behind for her). I think doing the shorts, specials, etc. is the best way to continue the series, which is why we absolutely did NOT need another movie to tell us about Bo's fate. They at least had the good sense not to recast Mr. Potato Head and reused dialogue that Don Rickles recorded for the first three films, so why in the world did they have to take a baseball bat to the message of the first three films, which was even more important?
@@hotwax9376 Another dumb thing is that it feels like they wrote half the film around Don Rickles dying and half the film under the rabid starvation of Bo Peep "fans."
@@eatatjoes6751 toy story 4 didnt detroy everything trust me this GamingMagic13 is a liar
@@mrbinklesgames6620 Toy Story 4 did destroy everything. You are a lier.
From now on I'm only accepting "Magnum" and "Pearl" as the canon names for Bonnie's parents.
It's so insane that the directors said themselves that their movie didn't make sense. Not even just little points, the entire thing. I didn't hate this movie or anything, but I do think that this movie has one of the worst endings of any story ever. I actually wanted to just scream out "WHAT?!?!?!" when it happened in the theater. If the ending wasn't the way it was, I'd probably be fine with this movie, but the ending is just so awful, out of nowhere and out of character that it makes the build up hard to sit through
It does make sense they were joking.
One thing I always wondered about this movie, what would Andy think of this. At the end of Toy Story 3, he told Bonnie why Woody is so Important to him, asking her if she can have the responsibility to play with him. And now in Toy Story 4, she is technically broke Woody by ripping the badge off. To simplify what is happening, here’s a small script.
(The End of Toy Story 3)
Andy: You think you can take care of Woody for me?
Bonnie: *nods*
(Beginning of Toy Story 4)
Bonnie: *rips Woody’s badge off and drops him on the floor* ByE tOyS!
he’d be pissed asf
*The disrespect is real*
Bonnie: I don't wanna play with you anymore.
@@3agle280 toy story 4 didn't destroy everything
@@popsingerstar yeah.
My biggest hangup of all time with Toy Story is Woody for example. He said he was made in the late 50's, yet Andy was his first owner? Where the hell was woody for decades before finding Andy
The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is that Woody could’ve been passed down as a collector’s item/family heirloom or valuable since the 50s from Andy’s grandparents to his mom, then to him but Andy’s mom gave Woody to Andy as a toy as opposed to a cherished heirloom.
I’d maybe liken it to those porcelain dolls from the late 1800s early 1900s where they became collectors items instead of children’s playthings. But instead Andy’s mom was like “nah screw that” and let Andy have Woody as a toy.
Probably was in the toy store way in the back for years and got bought before Andy was born or so. That's probably why Andy has a cowboy hat too because his mom got it for him at a very young age to pair with woody.
@HavePunWithIt This explanation actually makes a lot of sense, as you can hear Andy's mom describe Woody as an "old family toy" during the yard sale scene in Toy Story 2.
He was his dads toy watch supercarlinsbrother video on it a friend of the orginal writers tells them all about wood's backstory
To be fair though, Woody was only intended to be just an ordinary cowboy rag doll with no backstory or intention of being based on an existing fictional character in-universe like Buzz obviously was during the production of the first Toy Story. The Woody’s Round-Up backstory and idea of being an old family toy didn’t come in until the crew decided to make a sequel to Toy Story.
Absolutely useless fun fact : for the French dub of the movie, they chose the most soulless voice actress ever to voice as Gabby Gabby. Literally no emotion whatsoever coming from her. Felt like a bored kid at school reading a script.
Yea that didn't help Gabby Gabby as a character.
Not really fun.
That just makes it worse, in a “so bad that it’s good” way. In my opinion, that is. Because it makes me think that the Annabelle parallel is even more prominent. Now, I know that isn’t what they were going for, I’m sure. But, it at least gives the movie *something* that makes it good. Sure, the movie still sucks, but if you’re forced to watch it, it’s best if you can at least find something to make it the least bit fun.
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Also this line implies that asking for help means giving up, which is not the case at all. Sometimes you DO need a little help and asking for it is not a bad thing. This is a terrible message to send to children.
Even Arthur had an episode that gave the message of “it’s okay to sometimes ask for help”. The episode was “D.W. Gets Lost” and throughout the episode D.W. is trying to act grown up and gets lost in a grocery store and runs into one of her friends from preschool and then her imaginary friend suggests she asks her friend for help. D.W., still with a “trying to be a grown up” mentality rebuffs this idea telling her imaginary friend “I’m not a baby!” Then her imaginary friend tells her, “Sometimes grown ups ask for help too.” And that encourages D.W. to ask her friend for help. So an Arthur episode managed to tell kids that it’s okay to ask for help and that even when you grow up, you can still ask for help and that asking for help isn’t just for little kids very well.
@@hunterolaughlin what about toy story 3 where the toys in the incinerator gave up till they were rescued by the claw? And if your excuse is “that’s not the same thing” I hate to break it to you but it is and you saying it’s not doesn’t make it the truth.
@@korrblank1361Well, what about it?
@@isavenewspapers8890 they gave up there, it’s no different.
The good thing about the director denying the Pixar theory: we can take it a step further and say this movie is not part of the toy story universe. I was honestly angry with how buzz was portrayed as a dumbass, that doesn't know what a fucking continence is!
Amazing. They really found a way for fans to justifiably say that their movie is technically “not canon” in the Pixar universe theory.
Absolutely incorrect, they’re trying to say the Pixar films are not connected like what was claimed in the past.
@@korrblank1361 you constantly are replying to comments saying that this movie is not canon saying yes it is and if the director can deny the Pixar Theory than we can say that this movie is non canon.
@@judebaun9993 that’s not what he meant, he meant that the toy story universe isn’t connected to the other franchises such as a bug’s life, monsters inc, finding Nemo and the incredibles, (and many more) just to name a few.
@@judebaun9993 and it’s canon whether you like it or not, that and nobody said this idiotic stupidity before the rise of skywalker started dumbing them down.
If spork face is alive because Bonnie played with him, does the phrase "don't play with your food" hold a terrifying weight to it?
OK. 1st, that's a utensil, not food itself. 2nd, unless you clean up between lunch & recess, playing with food could get you sick, as you could go to eat food off your hands, eat mud, & catch COVID!!!
Not really, Bonnie made the spork into a toy, the same can’t be said for most objects though.
@@korrblank1361 she made the cardboard box into a toy in Toy Story 3 and it’s not alive, so you’re wrong.
@@judebaun9993 actually I’m not wrong because it was not made into a toy, you can claim it was but I know otherwise.
@@korrblank1361 it was made into a toy because she puts engines on it and makes into the shape of a rocket ship so she did make into a toy and no a toy does not have to have a face to come to life because the Etch a Sketch is alive.
You know thanks to this I was finally able to pin down what was so suspicious about the film when I first watched this in theaters
And to think we still have three other videos worth of criticism to get through
@@GamingMagic13 for fucks sake why so many. I'm supposed to be learning for my exams
@@tekbox7909: Maybe you could study for those, and watch this pentalogy *AFTER* exams are over?!?!?
@@JadenMoon1475 cause i love procrastinating anyway no need to worry i passed all exams except one and that one i didn't pass because I just suddenly forgot everything i learned when I was sitting there. Anyway i passed it this year so no need to worry. Back to procrastinating for this year's exams
@@tekbox7909: Please stop procrastinating! You need to memorize this proverb by heart; Never put off until tomorrow what can be done today
Now I hate this movie as a stand-alone film
Even if we ignore the fact that it has ties to the golden trilogy, it remains broken in its own universe
And it’s only 2/5 of the film analysis
This film isn't canon
@@ralsei3157 toy story 4 didn't destroy everything
@@ralsei3157 that’s right.
"What you can do however is critisize a fictional world for a contradiction of the foundations of its universe" *shows Danganronpa V3*
Damn😭
"He cannot support this because he is a toy" i remember in toy story 3 commentary pointing out that woody gets his stuffing kicked alot because he is a cloth figure, unlike Buzz who is made from solid plastic and is much stronger in comparison.
Well, that's relative to the situation. I'm sure Woody could survive falls that Buzz couldn't.
Woody wouldn't be able to survive out there as a Lost Toy.
He is very soft as a Ragdoll.
@@KyleEvra he’s not lost anymore, but he was prior to that.
That Buzz section really hit heavy for me. God damn that was beautiful, down to the wire of following the song and its meaning. So freaking good, you should be critical reviewer.
I always thought that no other Disney movie would top Toy Story 4 as the most disrespectful to the previous projects in the franchise(s), then comes the Chip n’ Dale Rescue Rangers movie.
Seriously, I loved rescue rangers as a kid and when I heard there was a movie coming out I was NOT expecting that
Watching that movie felt like a fever dream. So many unfunny jokes (not even sure how many were supposed to be jokes)
42 AFFRONTS TO GOD
Frankly, that movie could've been any franchise from the Disney afternoon and made just about as much sense. It's pretty obvious they had an idea for a movie and then they just wanted some property on it the Disney wasn't really invested in that people would recognize. The only sequence they showed from the "original series" and how they beat the main bad guy at the end of the film, didn't even really follow the logic of Rescue Rangers, it was more like something straight out of Looney Tunes. Which drove the point home further, any cartoon would have done.
Kind of surprised it wasn't an attempt at a Bonkers revival. If you wanted a zany cartoon, washed up actor turned detective in a Roger Rabbit style world full of cameos, why the fuck Chip and Dale?
Probably because, as obscure as Chip and Dale have become in recent years, I guess nobody gives a fuck about Bonkers, aside from one TH-camr who turned out to be a groomer and a creep.
Oh, this is second to that on my Worst list.
I actually, genuinely loved that movie. Why does everyone hate it? I had no problems with it whatsoever
12:30 THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT!!! I also used that as a reason why Buzz freezes in the first movie, and have never heard anybody else use it making me feel alone in that sentiment.
I thought he was "playing dead" as he believes he's a space ranger on a planet with potentially hostile aliens
@@LexVanguard2004 that could also be a valid theory, but either way, buzz did have a reason to freeze but forkface absolutely didnt
Woody never freezes when I’m around because he hears me coming
But that's not enough though. There are extreme logical flaws even in the original trilogy with respect to the toys' sentience and the reason they freeze in the presence of humans.
First off, why would a toy happily accept the fact that they're a child's plaything and they should all let the children play with them? How does every single toy know to freeze? We see that this isn't really an ingrained instinct inside them since Buzz apparently was doing it just to fit in. But what happens if a child hypothetically bought a Buzz Lightyear toy and he has no other toys? What if Buzz is literally his/her first toy? Would the toy just come to life and ask the child what his mission is? If so, then wouldn't this create chaos in the world and news would get out that Buzz Lightyear toys have something in them?
Next, we see the barbies party in the next aisle but they're only doing it at night when the store owners are not there. This implies that they know they're toys to be played with and need to wait for a kid to pick them. However, they're brand new and in the shelf and have never met a used toy before so is this knowledge just ingrained in them? If so then why do Barbies get this treatment but not Buzz?
And these two examples are just based on this video and I'm sure I can name a dozen more if I went back to watch the whole movies.
And don't even get me started on the whole "freezing". Again, this isn't something ingrained in every toy by default since Buzz doesn't do it. Buzz has a reason to freeze but why do everyone else? We see in TS3 that toys have the same emotions as humans so why do they not feel the need to break this chain and long for freedom? Clearly not all toys are happy like we see the clown who was with Lotso so why would they care or bother to not freak out humans? Surely there were a few toys who were fed up with life and didn't care about the structure of the society. Surely there were a few rebels who tried to expose the toy world for what it is.
The logic of this world fell apart the moment they introduced Buzz as a character in Toy Story 1. The world building logic of this movie was pretty much dead on arrival and we can't really blame TS4 for committing the same crime the last 3 movies did.
Let me try to fix Forkface (as much as I can)
Instead of making it something Bonnie created, make it an old toy that belonged to the Kindergarten Teacher and she gave Bonnie the Toy cause she was lonely (and yes, this would also redeem the Teacher a little bit.
The Toy would want to return home to it's former owner and would try to run away instead of just going to the Trash and has an actual reason to freeze when a human is arround
Dammit! That would have been so good!
That right here should’ve been made better and it gives Bonnie the thought of what made these toys special and memorable to Andy and she’ll always cherish them in his stead until she gets old.
Funny how a TH-cam commenter can make a better concept for a scene than a professional writer/director.
Ooo, this is great! And in your version it would be easier to make parallels between Woody and the new Forkface.
The worst thing about this movie is that with Forky's existence, now we have to question if every single goddamn appliance in their world is alive like a stove if we put googly eyes on it.
Can we reanimate a brain dead person
Goofly eyes are Artificial Brains
It's only if you play with them, if you treat them like a toy, they become a toy. Like Bo peep, she's not a toy, but she was played with so she became one
Toy Story and Brave Little Toaster shared universe?
@@akasakikawasaki1890 Except when they don't, like that makeshift spaceship Bonnie played with in the 3rd movie.
I cannot comprehend Forky's existence. If he is not a toy but a spork, then how does putting arms and a face make it come alive? Definitely a question even the director admits is so stupid. Again I agree with you who wrote Forky into the script? I made arts and crafts in Kindergarten that looked like LEGO compared to that stupid spork. I would make a better Toy Story 4 then Josh Cooley.
Then again, remember how in Toy Story of Terror, there was a character called Lego Bunny, who can take the form of anything? Is there a limitation to that?
@@osmanyousif7849 Yeah good question. Again I am amazed that the guy never brought that up.
Forky existence killed the franchise. Fork him 😤
@@osmanyousif7849 Legos are intended to be played with. Sporks are eating utensils. Anything meant to be a toy or decoration (the only purpose) can come to life in this universe. Just because you could play with a cup does not mean that the cup should come to life. It already has a purpose.
It reads like a bad fanfiction
You know, movies always turn out bad when the portray main characters as the “ideal” ones (although the only thing that keeps them from being actually saint is the presence of brains) and the rest as a walking garbage
Huh
I cannot imagine thinking you can include something that throws everything in the story on its head and just say “lol no one should ask anyone because we won’t explain a thing”
Why do I keep crying when you talk about the character arcs 😭 the original characters were so good...
I remember being excited to see this movie. Especially to watch the dynamic duo of Buzz and Woody having adventures together.
Well I couldn't be more wrong.What we got instead was a plot device called..... Forky🙄
And to think it only gets worse from here
You shouldn't create new characters when you have tons of people's lives to explore already set.
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Even if Bonnie and her mom didn't hear Forky screaming then they absolutely should've heard Woody's voicebox go off since he used his pull string to grab the damn spork. But no, apparently people in this movie have the most selective hearing known to mankind :)
Jesus Christ, I'm only at the end of Part 2 and it already feels like they didn't proofread or edit the first damn draft of the screenplay at all....
On the upside though, as an aspiring writer this analysis and deconstruction is giving me *several* extremely helpful hints about specifically what not to do in writing a cohesive story. Props to you, dude
6:50 -- there's a bigger issue even then "the creators don't like the pixar theory." After all, Death of the Author means that what they intend doesn't much matter. What is important is that this is never established. it is a fantheory masquerading as an official solution in the minds of those who believe it.
The whole Forky thing really does make me wonder the limits. A lot of them are discussed already, but what happens if Forky falls apart? If the glue dissolves or the pipe cleaners aren't connected anymore? Does he cease to be sentient or does he maintain control over his disparate parts? Do they each have their own brain or can he control them? We didn't need to know the limits before they actively started pushing them.
I do think that it's acceptable that Woody wants to prove he can still tale care of something. It's stupid that he's insisting on this even after being proven wrong, but I believe that he believes it. A problem not really touched on is that while the toys do freeze at night, I don't believe its established that they need to sleep.
1:00:00 here's a fun fact. There's a deleted scene from Cars where there was going to be what I believe was a dream sequence where McQueen would have his engine put into a steamroller which would transfer his consciousness to let him fix the road. Then they put Mater's engine in McQueen's body. In addition to just being a dream, they cut it because raising questions about the mechanics of their world was something they realized was a bad idea. They forgot that in this film.
I wonder, if you make a toy out of plasticine, will it come to life? And if so, can it blind a copy of itself from its body? And what makes a toy strong? The material from which it is made? This gives so many questions...
I think questions about disembodied toy parts are answered by all the toys in Sid's room. And maybe Mr. Potato Head.
@@DoctorPhileasFragg We never hear those toys speak, though. We don't know if they all have their own brain or if they are controlled by whatever they were once attached to. We do know that the Potato Heads can see through disconnected eyes and such, but since their parts are designed to be removed we don't know if that's something every toy can do. We presume not since Buzz's arm doesn't move when it's detatched, but it's not certain.
You know what 15:53 to 16:09 I feel like THAT would've been a WAAAY better plot than the toy story 4 we got and it should also be about Bonnie trying to save and protect her toys from being destroyed. I wish we could have that plot or fanfiction instead and make that one canon
you i want that then do it i believe in you
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There are times when a running gag stops being funny. If you want a running gag in your film, do it sporadically and do it less.
Buzz has unfortunately found himself suffering from “Knuckles syndrome” in which his naivety is played off as stupidity after his character peaks despite the fact they’ve obviously grown past that.
Other things in this world can be alive too, apparently. In TS2, Hamm told the others when looking for Woody's hat: "The lawn gnome next door hasn't found it, but he'll keep looking."
It was also implied that Christmas decorations/ornaments are alive as well. In TS3, Woody mentioned that they were in the attic and the toys groaned about being with them. And in TS That Time Forgot, Bonnie was playing with a Christmas ornament (Angel Cat.)
"He's kind of lonely because Bo Peep isn't around" So then WHY IN THE HOLY HELL DOES HE STAY WITH ANDY FOR THE REST OF HIS TIME GROWING UP?? Yes, there's a tinge of sadness in 3 when he briefly mentions losing toys over the years, including Bo, but you don't get the sense that he feels he's made the wrong decision or even that there was a decision to make in the first place!
And while I always loved Buzz's arc from the first movie, having it put into actual words made me appreciate it EVER so more, and what a beautiful moment the conversation between him and Woody the night before "liftoff" was.
And then there's THIS FUCKING DUMBASS WHO CAN'T TELL WHAT WOODY MEANS BY INNER VOICE DESPITE THEM BEING FRIENDS FOR YEARS AND HIM SHOWING MULTIPLE MOMENTS OF CONSCIENCE (you know, THE INNER VOICE??).
THIS FUCKING MOVIE I CAN'T EVEN
Apologies for getting all sweary, the dumb, DUMB moments of this movie make me angry. It's always left a bad taste in my mouth and feeling in my soul from the moment rumors of it popped up.
Maybe by "lonely" they meant "horny", as is a common euphemism. "Woody was _horny_ without Bo Peep" because she was his girlfriend, he didn't rebound with Dolly as hinted at in Toy Story 3, and Jessie is effectively his sister and dating Buzz so that was a no-go.
It's honestly baffling how no one on the writing team or production team was brave enough to go to Josh Cooley and say, "Maybe, just maybe, this movie won't make any sense and will fall flat on its face", and it's even more embarrassing that Cooley admits that the movie makes zero sense in the commentary.
Just got hit with a sore throat and fever but you know what this video just made my day! Can’t wait to see the rest of the analysis videos and I hope you still have some sanity left after dealing with this terrible movie!
Happy to hear my videos were able to lift your spirits; hope you feel better soon!
Holy crap, the director commentary makes it PAINFULLY clear that the guys who made this movie don't care about kids movies enough to make them with the slightest bit of thought or effort. The only things they were interested in when making this movie were nostalgia baiting, making it look pretty, working with big names in the industry, and collecting a paycheck.
Wow that buzz freezing section was really solid 😮 you should make more critiques of modern films youd be on pace to have a huge channel
The 4th was actually the first time I was uncomfortable watching a Toy Story film. So here's a simple rule that every one of the film's tries to follow when it's not relevant to the plot: If Humans are on screen, the toys are either in hiding or lifeless.
When the toys are doing things, the movies will go out of their way to avoid showing any other characters than the toys. Until I watched 4, I didn't realize it was to enforce your suspension of disbelief.
The less humans you saw, the more you could relate to the toy's struggles and forget how concerning living toys would actually be as a concept. Something that only became more apparent as 4 rolled on into an antique store.
Nothing bothered me more than the cast jumping across carnival stations with the moon igniting them by the back, and the tops of carnival goers bounding about in frame.
By this point the toys had taken such obvious risks that I was pulled completely out of the movie on the grounds that there wasn't some conspiracy theorist tailing the main cast.
Yep. It also wrecks the franchise retroactively.
I never was bugged by Buzz's "playing toy" without being expressly told all these years. I never noticed all the subtle actions the first film makes to explain it. Thanks for pointing it out, I have a new found respect for Toy Story 1's world building.
One reason the original toys were sidelined so much in Toy Story 4 may have been so that Disney-Pixar could market new Toy Story toys such as Duke Caboom and Ducky and Bunny better.
A 12-year-old could make a better and more consistent story than this.
Any one of Andy’s fantasies alone when he’s playing with the toys could make a better and more consistent story.
@@Sharkwizard Kinda like how Fin's fantasy from The Lego Movie would make a better story than 80% of movies nowadays.
So beyond silly.
The sheer amount of detail and passion you put in these videos is absolutely amazing.
This movie is a brilliant allegory. Forky is the movie itself, recognizing it is trash and wanting to desperately throw itself away, while the other toys are the critics wanting to desperately convince themselves that it does not belong in there. :P
One big world building issue I have is the likelihood of every toy ever made not exposing or revealing that they are alive.
I feel I would've loved Gabby if they actually committed to her villainy, they introduced so many horror elements to make her stand out and make a first impression as some new and twisted for the franchise, The dead voice box being especially bone chilling. It's risky to make animated villains truly terrifying, but it often pays of like in Puss in Boots: The Last Wish.
But they actively exploit Woody's capacity to find the good in people without needing anything in return to force a redemption arc.
Imagine if Woody felt like he needed to help her simply cause she needed help but ultimately had more important things to get done, such as getting back to Bonnie. He would reluctantly leave, feeling sorry because she was unable to find love and Gabby would lash out, feeling like he owes her and put Forky's life on the line to get what she wants from him, being okay to take anything away from Woody if it pays off. That would challenge Woody's personal values towards morality, just like it did in Toy Story 3 when Lotso exploited and left him.
I’m gonna guess the scene that nukes the movie is the poultry palace shot where bonnie is playing with woody and forkface. The movie has this thing it’s trying to build up where woody is unhappy that he isn’t being played with and yet in that shot, aside from forkface, he’s the only one she’s playing with. Plus, that’s the only thing I noticed in that series of shots that wasn’t forkface making a beeline for a trashbin and woody finding different ways of stopping him.
Here's how I would change Toy Story 4:
- I would keep the intro. Nonetheless, I would also remove the Operation Pull Toy sequence with the window. I would have Buzz and Jessie work together to open the window. Rex or one of the other toys can be shown retrieving the barrel of monkeys and helping Bo pull Woody up.
- Woody would consider joining Bo in the intro, but he would see his boot instead of Andy. Andy would enter the scene only after the car leaves.
- Bonnie's parents are more caring and buy her a box of supplies meant to create a toy, but she loses the base form. Thus, Woody gives her a spork, resulting in the creation of Forky.
- Woody has traumatic visions of the incinerator when he sees Forky attempt to throw himself into the trash. Woody, Jessie, and Buzz would probably experience trauma from the first three movies in their own way. Overcoming your trauma doesn't always mean that it simply disappears.
- Buzz accidentally presses his chest button due to a bump on the road, allowing Forky to escape and throw himself out the window.
- Woody promises to meet his friends at the carnival at a set time. Woody, Slinky, and Jessie jump out the window together, but Buzz is stopped when Bonnie momentarily wakes up.
- Woody repetitively attempts to convince Forky that he matters, but he keeps failing due to Forky's many questions. Woody tells him the story of his life as well.
- Gabby Gabby is much more menacing. There is a scene where she tortures Wheezy for his squeaker only to realize that it is not a voicebox. He is saved by a hooded figure.
- Bo Peep meets Woody in the antique store instead of in the park. Harmony takes them both to the park.
- Bo gradually becomes more and more embittered over the course of the film due to Gabby Gabby's taunts and the hardships throughout the course of the film.
- I would remove Ducky and Bunny completely.
- The toys search for Woody and the others to the best of their ability. They have much more significant roles in this film. Bonnie's parents decide to stay a little longer to cheer Bonnie up.
- Buzz would not get strapped and become the grand prize. Instead, he would fly over the carnival and accidentally crash in an attempt to avoid birds and the rides. then, he would be captured by Gabby Gabby upon seeing the antique store and Forky.
- Duke Caboom and Jessie create a distraction as Woody and Slinky free Buzz. He is apparently torn to pieces. Desperate to save her sheep, Bo attempts to save them from the cat. However, Woody risks his life to save Bo, causing Forky to wonder about the meaning of being a toy.
- Gabby Gabby reveals that Harmony has always wanted a Gabby Gabby doll. Thus, it is revealed that Gabby Gabby believes that it is her purpose to be there for Harmony no matter what. This causes Forky to question his suicidal tendencies entirely and eventually accept his calling as a toy.
- The sheep find the other toys and take them to reunite with Woody. They avoid being seen and strapped.
- Bonnie and her parents begin searching for the toys.
- Gabby Gabby threatens Forky directly, forcing Woody to surrender. Harmony has the voicebox installed into her. However, Harmony rejects her when Woody's voice plays.
- Gabby Gabby is absolutely crushed by Harmony's rejection, but Jessie encourages her to join them upon remembering her time isolated from the world.
- Rex, Trixie, and a few other toys stay behind in an attempt to pop the tires to buy time, but it has little to no success.
- Bo attempts to defeat Gabby Gabby to avenge her friends, but Woody stops her.
- The toys regroup at the carousel, but several street cats catch them. In a recreation of the chase scene at the end of the first Toy Story, they finally make it back to the trailer. Duke Caboom is alive and creates another distraction for the group, trapping the cats. Buzz flies Forky to the trailer as Woody and Jessie watch in pride.
- Bo offers Woody to join her, but Woody refuses, remembering his promise to Andy and Buzz. However, a few of the toys, including Mr. and Mrs. Potato Head, join her and Duke. Woody and Bo ride away from one another. Bo reflects on the days with Andy and Molly as Woody and Buzz say, "To infinity and beyond, old timer..." Meanwhile, Bo says, "So long, move buddy..."
- Gabby Gabby ventures on her own, determined to find her own destiny.
- In a post-credits scene, Gabby Gabby is donated to Sunnyside at the end, where she meets the other toys there.
- In another post-credits scene, Duke and Bo run into Utility Belt Buzz, a few new toys, and a modified Zurg, who tells them that they have a situation.
- In one last post-credits scene, a man finds Woody's voicebox, who laughs nervously yet sadistically upon listening to it. The man is revealed to be Sid Phillips.
Please let me know how this sounds! I will happily listen to any criticisms! Let me know if you want to hear my ideas for Toy Story 5 and 6!
@Jackson Nettleingham That sounds way better than the TS4 we got! Kudos, bro! 👍
Thanks! I really appreciate it! If you wish to hear my AU take on Toy Story 5, I would be more than happy to do so!
@@jacksonnettleingham4990 Go for it!
Your writing is way way way WAY better than what the "professional" writers did... I have three words for this shit movie....
Fuck... this.... movie................
@@jacksonnettleingham4990 Yes! I would love to hear TS5
Honestly, why is it so important that Forkface not throw himself in the trash?
1. We've seen that once he's in the trash he's perfectly content to simply stay in there. He doesn't even try to go the garbage dump.
2. Once Bonnie notices that Forkface is gone she immediately starts looking for him and her parents are happy to help her. She'll find her spork toy in the trash and fish him out to keep playing with him without Woody's constant interference.
I think Toy Story 4 exists as a way to make even more money off of the Toy Story brand via toys and the movie itself and to keep the franchise relevant to people in general.
I believe Buzz Lightyear toys in particular are some of Disney-Pixar's best selling toys. Maybe Toy Story 4 was a way of keeping such sales numbers high.
Toy Story 4 is most definitely a cash grab meant to cash in while they had Tom Hanks and Tim Allen available and for the reasons given above.
Whoever decided to make a spin-off serie about Forky had a terrible idea. Seriously, nobody likes him! He's not cute, funny or brave. All this character does is throwing himself into garbage cans and trusting a person he never met aka Gaby Gaby. That's it! There's nothing interresting about Forky. Making a show where he's the main character is not brillant, it's stupid :S If it was about Rex or Slinkey before they met Woody, that could be fun to see. I like thoses characters and seeing their lives sounds entertaining. At least they are charming and funny compare to Forky.
I knew toy story 4 was bad but i didnt know that the film makers didnt care
And THIS was supposed to be the saddest toy story movie
Sad in a different way
That's a convincing argument for Buzz freezing in Toy Story 1.
“Bonnie is shown happily playing with woody outside paltry palace.” PLAYING WITH WOODY! OH BUT I THOUGHT WOODY NEVER GOT PLAYED WITH. The The director is in this movie clearly didn’t think this out 🤦🏽♂️
Two parts in and I can readily say that this is the angriest man in the world.
Wow. Hearing the director just up and admit, happily, that their movie didn't make sense when broken down was hilarious.
No wonder I didn't care for this movie despite knowing the characters since childhood, yet something like Gravity Falls catches my interest with characters I had little to no familiarity with beforehand. They legitimately just didn't care about the one thing that helps a movie or show stand the test of time the best: the writing.
It did make sense, that was a joke.
The part when you explained Buzz’s journey and what message it’s showing during the comparison between Buzz and Forkface genuinely made me tear up. 😢
Forkface’s earlier dialogue was his reaction to reading the script. They just left the outtakes in the film.
I'm really enjoying this series so far! I tip my hat to your level of analysis.
I'm surprised you didn't talk about toys sleeping. Correct me if I'm wrong, but toys have never been shown to need sleep before. Also, that would radically raise the probability of getting 'caught.' What if Bonnie woke up in the middle of the night and noticed her Woody doll had a completely different expression? If toys need sleep, there's no way something like this hasn't happened multiple times before.
Drinking game: Every time you hear the phrase "WHO WROTE THIS," take a shot.
Though you'll likely be dead before the end of the series, for sure.
Or "This movie is full of baloney"
And "Buzz off you stupid movie!"
I'm actually surprised you didn't called called Gaby Gaby's Ventriloquist Dummy army Slappy from the Goosebumps Franchise. Because they have a very striking resembles to Slappy from the covers of the Original Goosebumps Books as well as the movies. But I digress.
That’d be because I have no familiarity with Goosebumps or its characters.
@@GamingMagic13 Fair enough.
However if you are curious about the franchise then I recommend reading the Original Series Books that started it all. However I advise you to
1. Read them at your own time because
2. Never and I mean NEVER marathon this series. Because believe or not there are I kid you not 62 Books in the Original Series.
Because
3. Believe or not I'm currently doing a Marathon on the franchise back when it was massively popular (1992-1997) where not only I would read the Original 62 Books that started the series but also watch the Goosebumps Tv Series from 1995 (which you can watch on both TH-cam and Netflix) and read 11 miscellaneous those being 9 Short Stories and Two Additional Books as well and the marathon has been a huge pain for me to the point that after I got sick earlier this month I had to put my marathon on a very long hiatus until I graduate from College so I can focus more on my health. Because College is a pain to deal with.
If you wanna know where can you find the books well not to worry heres a link from Internet Archives that have all 62 Books if you are curious about them.
This link will take you to the first book of the entire series. Welcome to Dead House and there you will find the other books on this link as well.
archive.org/details/goosebumpsseries/Goosebumps%2001welcome%20to%20dead%20house/
these videos perfectly represent my absolute hatred and frustrations with toy story 4. seriously; FUCK. THIS. MOVIE.
Never thought about Forky being a living plot hole. By his own logic Sids Toys he molds together should’ve had different personalities since they’re a new “Toy”.
Well the head fell of so….
I almost forgot part 1 was only the beginning of the problems with the movie and that it somehow gets worse. Pity.
Yeah, it's 24:26, no doubt about it.
How did they leave that in?
Oh I know why, because nobody in the writters room cared about this movie, they just cared about making money out of forkface toys.
20 fucking dollars, I'm not kidding.
FOR A FORK!!!
Bonnie's parents are clearly doing some heavy drugs.
The Kindergarten teacher too.
16:02
Now that you bring that up, that would be interesting for a toy story spinoff:
Basically a toy story film that takes place in an alternate timeline where toys are no longer played with by children, are known to be alive by the entire world and all have gone into hiding because humans now think they are very dangerous and will either destroy them or the government will try to do experiments on them
And all of that happens because of forkface ruining everything
😎👌perfect
I was thinking that but with Cid.
He was scared from Woody after all, that he becomes a scientist and proves that toys are alive.
"But it doesn't matter because I'm going to be calling them Annabelle and Chucky regardless"
Actually given how the one in the suit looks so similar I would've gone with Slappy from Goosebumps but that's just me.
To be honest, I don't think Matpat dropped the ball by trying to explain forkface's being alive and all. I believe he had to get to his conclusion because the movie made it canon, and that's cause the director and writers didn't give a shit about sticking to the universe's rules. Kind of like when superman's writers gave him any power that they wanted, so he could beat any issue he was facing. It didn't always make sense, but we had to accept it because the official staff made it Canon without caring about logic.
This is what Cinema Sins should have been like for the last 10 years
The difference is that Cinemasins is mainly about comedy. Most of the sins are just things they ignore. This is an actual breakdown and interesting criticism
Oh my god, I love these videos. I was really angry when I watched Toy Story 4 because I thought it was bad and it didn't make any sense, but still I didn't notice all the details you mentioned. I'm glad you decided to talk about this movie. By the way, I loved how you used that Van Zieks clip whenever you said "destroy". Seeing Susato made me happy as well.
Honestly Fork Face might be alive because he is just considered a toy. Not an imagination or just being played with per say but just because he is considered a toy via the arrangement of parts which would explain why why other inanimate object isn't alive.
Except the spaceship box Bony made + the fact that it would make no sense for the other toys to be surprised by this than.
Eh , at least I tried.
There IS a reason for those lights to be spattered on the ground....because now Woody FINALLY has "Fork Face" almost convinced that Bonnie needs him to be a toy and now these idiot directors need to throw in the stupid twist of Woody being reunited with Bo to justify the INSULTING ending of this painfully insulting movie. And watching this movie, and the dynamic between Woody and Bo....it doesn't seem like Bo REALLY CARES about Woody (both when she leaves AND when he finds her again). The only reason she even said goodbye to him was that HE came to rescue HER and then when they meet at the carnival, she seems actually ANNOYED that he showed up in her life again and she DOESN'T want him around to muck with her new-found happiness....which makes the ending EVEN MORE PAINFULLY WRONG.
BTW, you just perfectly articulated why I LOATHE this movie and why I DO NOT consider it to be part of the Toy Story trilogy. For me, the REAL Toy Story plot ended with the third movie.
Im glad you explained the whole thing about why buzz plays along in the first movie because I genuinely never understood that all these years, but i never asked for anwsers either. I kinda just passed the idea as "look, it's a kid's movie, don't think too hard about plot holes and let your kids have fun enjoying watching it."
54:00 lmao for the director to say that out loud
i appreciate the absurd effort you put into even the seemingly tiny details that actually do have larger ramifications
The thing that bothers me a lot about forky is the implications of what his character was supposed to be and how the writers didn’t had the balls to do it.
is very easy to see forky as a character with special needs, to the way he talks, to his actions and how others treat him, and Pixar would (and already did in some shorts) definitely create a character that in canon requires special needs and it would be beautiful.
along side that he’s apparently suicidal (with unfortunately there’s a link with people who have mental issues and suicide) but instead of making a character that has to overcome all of this hardships to becomes bonnie’s emotional support toy what did they do to him ?
They made him a comic relief character that was a pain on wood’s ass at the begging and magically made him a more “funcional” toy at the middle of the movie…fantastical.
11:19 I think an easier explanation of this is that buzz is a toy while forkie is not and it makes no sense that forkie, a NOT TOY, respects the physics that toys go through. Like is he a toy or not?
You are witty and well spoken. You’re really talented, and your movie reviews are second to none.
I had a weird childhood and never watched toy story, but I could watch this all day. THANK YOU
Wow, you clearly explained why Buzz freezes in a very concise manner. I had thought of a somewhat similar explanation, but you put it into words perfectly. Great job!
Christ Almighty!! Take a shot every time he goes: "Buzz off you stupid movie!"!!
44:16 I think the parents DID hear Buzz but didn’t care cause they probably thought he was one of those toys that will say lines every now and then unless it’s turned off or runs out of battery
Always get laughing,when you say "Who wrote this", "get out of here" and "stupid movie" 😂😂👍🏻
Or "This movie is full of baloney"
I just finished your Incredibles videos too. You've been doing a good job calling out these movies that aren't even as great as their predecessors. Keep doing what you doing bro.
I enjoyed TS4 for what it was but I absolutely love your commentary. Your editing is fantastic also, so engaging and fast-paced. I cant image how long editing one of these must take haha.
"This dying cancer patient of a film."
Holy shit that's dark 😂😂
Holy shit, not even the creators know or cared to think of WHY Sporky was able to come to life?? That’s honestly infuriatingly lazy.
Well how did the other toys manage to come to life when they have porcelain and nails and plastic in their organs?
@@korrblank1361 because that’s how things work in the Toy Story universe.
The more I look at TS4 and it's flaws, the more it makes me wish the film had a better written script or an alternate cut. Because while the idea of a 4th toy story movie sounds very stupid, most of the elements aren't too bad and could've worked if executed better (and if you had a more competent director in charge instead of Josh). Plus instead of making the movie about Woody and Bo, they should've made it about him and Buzz. Like put their friendship to the test and basically go full-circle with TS1's events. You can still have Bo, Forky and the lost toys aspect, but make the main duo the focus. Like maybe during the scene where Woody jumps out of the RV to find Forky, Buzz tags along with Woody to help him find the spork. And then during that scene they could both have an argument where Buzz gets furious at Woody for not letting him or the others help out look after Forky (sorta like the gas station scene from TS1). And hell, maybe even have a better excuse for Woody and Forky entering the Antique Shop. Like Forky runs off again, and both Woody and Buzz have to catch him which lead them to the said shop. Etc etc. I mean it still wouldn't be great, but it still would've at least been better than what we got in the actual movie.