How Incredibles 2 Destroyed Everything - Part 1 | Underminer Battle, Interrogation & Devtech Meeting

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  • @GamingMagic13
    @GamingMagic13  2 ปีที่แล้ว +322

    For anyone asking "Where's Part 2?" please refer to this community post from 3 days ago:
    th-cam.com/channels/f1OHsudbaKKF6zWf7rWoYg.htmlcommunity?lb=Ugkxc_0i4NfF8c-DuzFHUMj3CparR7JkWj44

    • @scarletto99
      @scarletto99 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Its okay, take your time with your video so it can be the best that it can be

    • @Whyiseveryhandletaken6942
      @Whyiseveryhandletaken6942 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I wish mobile devices could support community posts

    • @alantheartist624
      @alantheartist624 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Just say you didn’t like the film it’s simple..
      You DON’T need fucking multiple parts to explain why it ruins the previous movie.
      it doesn’t need to be a fucking hour long for the first 10 minutes of the film!!

    • @CyberCervine
      @CyberCervine 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@alantheartist624 this is just what movie analyzers do. Schraffrilas Productions is someone else who does similar videos.

    • @commentate3652
      @commentate3652 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@alantheartist624 ??

  • @Punk-possum
    @Punk-possum 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2972

    Here’s the thing: I’m not from an English speaking country so Evelyn’s name passed over my head. However it was still SO OBVIOUS that she was the villain that I was convinced she was actually NOT the villain, just the stereotype of the kinda weird person that you’re supposed to be suspicious of that turns out to be innocent.
    Edit: i was also just lying to myself cause i had a crush on her and didnt want her to be evil

    • @EugenioScamardella
      @EugenioScamardella 2 ปีที่แล้ว +382

      A "red herring". Yeah, she was clearly introduced as a twist villain by her first scene and look: the increasingly darker colours in her palette, her way to sit legs crossed mostly in the shadow... Off-topic: she's clearly a shaggier-haired carbon copy of Roxanne from Megamind.

    • @ntfoperative9432
      @ntfoperative9432 2 ปีที่แล้ว +142

      Sadly, that would require Creativity, which Hollywood has been losing for the past decade

    • @delaneylipkin2194
      @delaneylipkin2194 2 ปีที่แล้ว +67

      I remember watching Super Carlin Brothers make a prediction video and they instantly got her name and predicted her being the villain

    • @jeromevaleska2014
      @jeromevaleska2014 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @@delaneylipkin2194 Another SuperCarlinBrothers fan? A fellow person of culture.

    • @miquelescribanoivars5049
      @miquelescribanoivars5049 2 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      Yeah for me Evelyn goes neck on neck with big hero 6 villain as the most obvious one scene "twist" villain.

  • @QueenAleenaFan
    @QueenAleenaFan ปีที่แล้ว +1205

    "Are you really criticizing the logic in a silly-"
    Yes.
    Even Bugs Bunny has pretty consistent logic, despite being a cartoon who regularly defies real world logic.
    If a setting decides one set of rules applies in the first episode, and then changes that expectation in the second, an explanation is required.

    • @jeremyusreevu237
      @jeremyusreevu237 ปีที่แล้ว +154

      Right on. I really hate pretentious a**holes, who think people like GamingMagic13 and Mauler are nitpicking because they don't understand that internal logic is a thing.

    • @timy9197
      @timy9197 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The fact that you use bugs bunny as an example completely kills your credibility. You’re just making things up. Looney tunes isn’t even a world building heavy show. It was a sketch show 😂😂😂

    • @Jose_Doe
      @Jose_Doe ปีที่แล้ว +100

      @@timy9197 one thing you can kinda see is they'll run off a cliff and as long as they don't notice they're in the air they'll keep running forward

    • @deathmetal271
      @deathmetal271 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Ti My and now we have another one

    • @ntfoperative9432
      @ntfoperative9432 ปีที่แล้ว +84

      @@timy9197 I think their point is that if even something as wacky as looney toons maintains it's internal logic, than something as serious as the Incredibles can do the same

  • @DrTimes99
    @DrTimes99 ปีที่แล้ว +1233

    Here's the thing. I never wanted to see their fight with the Under Miner. I had not expected a sequel given how the first movie ended, but I think picking up right where that one left off was a catastrophic mistake that subsequently held back the potential of a sequel. The Incredibles wasn't about the action, it was about the family dynamics, done to everyone's powers being a reflection of their role in the family. What they needed was a time skip like what happened with TS3. Allow them to have years of happiness culminating in new family dynamics to explore. A father son struggle where Mr. Incredible feels like he can't keep up with Dash, the new young face of modern Heroes. You could have Violet grown-up ready to leave her family and disappear into the bigger world. Jak-jak unsure of what direction to go as he's entering his teenage years, changing to fit in. And Helen trying to keep the family together. These are just bare bones thoughts, but the point is.... Incredibles 2 felt empty because it wasn't built on the core of the first.

    • @avivastudios2311
      @avivastudios2311 ปีที่แล้ว +110

      Yes. It just felt like they wanted to continue the story but without thinking about what makes the Incredibles work.

    • @eatatjoes6751
      @eatatjoes6751 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      Thank you.
      Literally, just take the weird pizza guy angle they were obviously going for before they got addicted to twist villains and use him as the main bad guy with the same "screens are evil" motive. Maybe have him against their version of automatic pizza delivery or something.

    • @Prince_Oli
      @Prince_Oli ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly this.

    • @sonicnetwork2944
      @sonicnetwork2944 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I had no problem with inc 2

    • @Prince_Oli
      @Prince_Oli ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@sonicnetwork2944 did you even read the comment you replied to? He gives all the reasons Incredibles 2 was nothing compared to the first 1. It’s not even an opinion at this point. Incredibles 2 was atrocious compared to its predecessor. So many things in the second 1 just don’t make logical sense. It’s not a based experienced. It was inconsistent with the first 1 with all the characters personalities. Violet was annoying as Hell. Bob was clueless. Dash looked weird as Hell. Jack Jack was WAY too much in focus. We don’t care THAT much about a damn mumbling baby. It’s cute but the amount of air time was just ridiculous. The movie also felt almost like it was too self aware. And many characters behaved so differently than they did originally. It was just a huge disappointment.

  • @rhondahoward8025
    @rhondahoward8025 ปีที่แล้ว +429

    "Did you stop the Underminer from inflicting more damage?"
    "YES."
    "The banks were insured"
    "That literally has nothing to do with the thousands of lives that would've been lost without the Incredibles' help"
    "If you had simply done nothing-"
    "Everybody would be dead. Next stupid argument?"

    • @oofedultra
      @oofedultra 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      LITERALLY

    • @JadenMoon1475
      @JadenMoon1475 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      What an *Incredible* idea: To come down with bad writing *Syndrome* to *Undermine* the fans' expectations!!

    • @funveeable
      @funveeable 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Banks are never insured from giant drill machines. Insurance lawyers never lose and that money is not coming back.

    • @JadenMoon1475
      @JadenMoon1475 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@funveeable: I agree with everything, *Except* "Insurance Lawyers Never Lose". *1)* They lost their *Humanity,* considering how they manipulate people and the damage they cause! *2)* I *guaran-f***ing-tee* you they'd lose this case - *Because of lack of insurance from drills and explosives - SO hard,* you honestly have to wonder where the *WORLDWIDE* broadcast is of that case essentially ending all insurance lawyers' & companies' careers *For-eh-ver!!*

    • @blturn
      @blturn 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Not going to lie, the points he made here were inaccurate.
      The entire reason the drill was on the surface in the first place was that Mr Incredible confronted Underminer and forced him to abandon his drill. Mr Incredible then promptly broke the controls, unintentionally causing the entire machine to surface and plow through the city.
      So while in a meta sense, yes, the police are actually right on this one. If Bob did nothing, the Underminer would have just fled downward via his drill. The Underminer did not intend for that destruction to happen at all.
      However, the actual issue here is how would the police have known it was them who caused the drill to surface for this accusation. I suppose you could argue eyewitnesses saw Mr Incredible emerge from the drill and informed the police, but we're writing the script for them at that point.

  • @ihateroads7926
    @ihateroads7926 ปีที่แล้ว +437

    The annoying thing about the underminer fight is that they could’ve made it a close battle without nerfing Mr Incredible into oblivion. They were underground, which would be the underminer’s area of expertise. He could have a network of tunnels and use the darkness to land a bunch of sucker punches on Bob, with Bob having to adapt to a very different environment

    • @sud1881
      @sud1881 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      Sounds better than the wide tunnels with a open roof

    • @SonicPlayer2004
      @SonicPlayer2004 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      How would the Underminer be able to see Bob?

    • @ihateroads7926
      @ihateroads7926 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @@SonicPlayer2004 He is a mole person, so something like smell or sensing vibration isn’t out of the question. They could also just give him night vision goggles since those would be very useful for someone who spends all their time underground

    • @julias.7534
      @julias.7534 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      And on top of that, given that it's underground, the last thing he'd want to do is level the city by getting too intense -- the whole reason he had to STOP being a hero to begin with was because he wasn't able to prevent civilian casualties, even if people were only injured.

    • @normadgarmez7026
      @normadgarmez7026 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      That's for sure. I mean the way you describe it has the suspense of a great battle. Mr. Incredible has the advantage on the surface while the Underminer has the advantage underground.

  • @cqrql
    @cqrql 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2613

    I think it's brilliant that Dash's and Violet's arcs in the first movie are the complete opposite of each other: he wants to be special and she wants to be normal. Not only that, their powers are paralels to their emotional state: Dash is impatient and reckless (superspeed) and Violet is shy, insecure and doesn't want to come out of her shell (invisibility and force fields).
    Meanwhile in The Incredibles 2: Violet is sad because of a boy and Dash can't do math.

    • @8-Bitcrush
      @8-Bitcrush 2 ปีที่แล้ว +148

      I just realized, how come everybody else (except for Jack Jack) has 1 power while Violet has 2
      I most definitely could be wrong, but That’s just my thought process

    • @MK7219000
      @MK7219000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +241

      @@8-Bitcrush I think Violet has 2 powers because shes based off the Fantastic Four's Invisible Woman who has the same powers.

    • @fruitloops2058
      @fruitloops2058 2 ปีที่แล้ว +151

      @@8-Bitcrush i guess because Invisibility fits Violet's character more but she wouldn't have been able to have as cool action scenes as the others because that power isn't inherently impressive offensively? Dunno.

    • @osmanyousif7849
      @osmanyousif7849 2 ปีที่แล้ว +101

      Well I guess you can argue for Dash that in the first movie, he’s shown to be slacking off, playing tricks on his teacher, instead of focusing in class. Especially since he’s shown to be doing this out of pettiness for his parents not letting him in sports.

    • @cqrql
      @cqrql 2 ปีที่แล้ว +122

      @@osmanyousif7849 I can understand him, imagine being really good at something and your parents not letting you doing it. And Dash wanted to see how fast he could go, and pranking his teacher so fast that no one noticed him was his way of testing his limits.

  • @silverscorpio24
    @silverscorpio24 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1539

    What bothered me the most about that scene of Winston picking Helen to be their representative was how selfish Bob was.
    Even before his arc in Incredibles 1 he was always shown to love his wife, despite their differences. He would never get upset at her getting to be a superhero and WOULD NEVER insult her by insinuating that he's a better superhero than she is.
    He would be more concerned about her safety or who will take care of the kids. Not that Helen is taking his glory from him.

    • @qc6057
      @qc6057 2 ปีที่แล้ว +224

      Just like Disney is over correcting with Marvel, their normal films will suffer from the same. They feel the need to boost the female main character while also doing everything within their power to make the male main character as reprehensible or incompetent as possible.

    • @CoCoCo1212
      @CoCoCo1212 2 ปีที่แล้ว +194

      @@qc6057 Exactly. It's all apart of the modern trend of male characters (especially established ones) having to be torn down in order for the female characters to step up and shine. Here's a question: Why can't they *both* shine?
      Seriously. It's been done in the past, and it can be done again. I swear, mainstream creators are *constantly* moving backwards and it's incredibly (no pun intended) *frustrating!*

    • @whatarehumans3680
      @whatarehumans3680 2 ปีที่แล้ว +139

      @@CoCoCo1212 The idea that a male character needs to be dumbed down in order for a female character to get somewhere is insulting. It’s not the “girlboss” fantasy they think it is. But Disney has this very shallow idea of what makes a female character “strong” or great now, so it doesn’t surprise me. It’s times like these when I miss characters like Mulan, Jasmine, or even Belle. Anna was a pretty decent character too, and none of these females characters needed a male character to be dumbed down.

    • @Barnabas64
      @Barnabas64 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      The most recent film that did this well is Edge of Tomorrow: Live Die Repeat.
      Watching the Tom Cruise and Emily Blunt character learn to work together to fight alien invaders is awesome.

    • @moonpaper215
      @moonpaper215 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@Barnabas64 Friendly reminder to please read the original manga. It's quite different but still a great story :)

  • @AvertAT
    @AvertAT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2857

    This movie was quite the evil endeavour. I can’t believe they completely undermined the original. It’s honestly pretty incredible

    • @mcscrooge1965
      @mcscrooge1965 2 ปีที่แล้ว +505

      Coincidence? I think NOT

    • @GamingMagic13
      @GamingMagic13  2 ปีที่แล้ว +984

      You really dashed to create these incredibly stretched excuses of puns. Made my face turn a shade of violet from embarrassment.

    • @AvertAT
      @AvertAT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +304

      @@GamingMagic13 Wow. I can’t believe you really woke up and chose Violets.
      You seriously need to take this movie with a dash of salt. This video’s runtime is way too stretched out. Especially considering you’re criticizing a children’s movie smh. You’re arguments weren’t even that strong, you sped through everything, and you’re just force-fielding yourself from criticism.
      Unless you somehow aren’t, but that would be a stretch.

    • @FlareJollyDragoness
      @FlareJollyDragoness 2 ปีที่แล้ว +139

      I love these puns, they make me feel incredibly happy.

    • @bengilhooly3616
      @bengilhooly3616 2 ปีที่แล้ว +97

      I love how strong all these puns are. None of them are too much of a stretch. Whoever makes the next pun, FREEZE!

  • @SuburbaniteUrbanite
    @SuburbaniteUrbanite 2 ปีที่แล้ว +322

    Basically this movie: You should do nothing and just let people get hurt because the banks are insured.

    • @EUMAN10
      @EUMAN10 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Same logic in Man of Steel. Clark: "What was I supposed to do? Just let 'em die?" Pa Kent: "Maybe."

    • @PKMN37
      @PKMN37 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      The government in a nutshell

    • @palladiamorsdeus
      @palladiamorsdeus 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@EUMAN10God I hated that. That was not Pa Kent. That movie was utter garbage.

  • @SuperMattman21
    @SuperMattman21 ปีที่แล้ว +113

    I never-Let me repeat. NEVER. Cared about the underminer plot at the end of the first film. To me that simply signified the fact that they would be fighting crime regularly as a family. The fact that they chose to start this plot right where the last one left off TEN YEARS LATER was such a let down when you know damn well they could have easily aged everyone and written an entirely new storyline from there!

    • @BWMagus
      @BWMagus ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Right, and it just makes it hard, because you have to actually continue the story immediately from that point--every character, every plot point, every object in the world, needs to be in exactly the same place. This is difficult to do when the first movie was a complete story, the arcs were all completed, etc.

  • @yoeski2587
    @yoeski2587 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1645

    All Incredibles 2 did was make us realize how much of a masterpiece The Incredibles really was.

    • @_-Lx-_
      @_-Lx-_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      We already knew that though, the first movie is one of the highest regarded pieces of animation in history and was long since heralded as a legendary masterpiece far before 2 was even announced.
      2 did jack sh##

    • @thestrong2401
      @thestrong2401 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      And make us understand that making a sequel 15 years later to an animated movie is a bad idea.

    • @thefunnestaccount5632
      @thefunnestaccount5632 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@_-Lx-_ Yes, yes we did. But Incredibles 2 made us appreciate how much of a masterpiece THE Incredibles is even more than we ever have. That’s the memo here.

    • @nisarojas2869
      @nisarojas2869 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thestrong2401 nah

    • @forkwithasuit
      @forkwithasuit ปีที่แล้ว +1

      26:29 i detect alphabet lore

  • @madbrosheo1514
    @madbrosheo1514 2 ปีที่แล้ว +740

    The fact that they undermined the ending of the first movie is so full of irony that it’s actually sad.

    • @Ajani_the_Insani
      @Ajani_the_Insani ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Very funny...

    • @Shythalia
      @Shythalia ปีที่แล้ว +46

      Undermined the Underminer. haha

    • @GoofyAhhBoxy
      @GoofyAhhBoxy ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Disney probably could never recreate another movie that I’d anything like the Incredibles

    • @vario6492
      @vario6492 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hehe... Undermined... Irony....
      That's some dirty comment you got going there.

    • @normadgarmez7026
      @normadgarmez7026 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Why I outta... Did you have to dig below the surface for that comment.

  • @MatTen532
    @MatTen532 2 ปีที่แล้ว +934

    Bob's character assassination reminds me of how they treated Homer and Peter over the years. Please stop writing father characters this way, it hurts to see good characters suddenly become selfish and self centered for no reason.

    • @ilostthreeaccountstoyoutub1434
      @ilostthreeaccountstoyoutub1434 ปีที่แล้ว

      no shit hollywood hates fathers since they are a symbol of "toxic masculinity"

    • @casperryborg4869
      @casperryborg4869 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      If you want to see a positive portrayl of fathers, watch Riots' series 'Arcane'. So perfect!

    • @kieranstark7213
      @kieranstark7213 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Who will win a battle?
      ANY battle for that matter (including battles of physical strength)?
      Bob in Incredibles 2 or everyone else?
      I think the latter.

    • @david-468
      @david-468 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      Idk if Peter was ever a good father but yeah Homer used to be a Good but “dumb” dad but definitely a loving one

    • @randomdude189
      @randomdude189 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Loki, dr strange, Thor, The list goes on and they are tied to one company. It’s propaganda. “See her to be her”

  • @legoverse1412
    @legoverse1412 2 ปีที่แล้ว +232

    The title should have been, “how Incredibles II UNDERMINED everything!”

  • @Huskerguy316
    @Huskerguy316 2 ปีที่แล้ว +312

    The thing I was most excited about while watching Incredibles 2 is going home and watching the original

  • @strawberryart3886
    @strawberryart3886 2 ปีที่แล้ว +284

    right away i was shocked that violet took off her mask, whatever happened to "your identity is your most valuable possession, protect it"

    • @Atheismo9760
      @Atheismo9760 2 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      She had no real reason to do so, but the plot god demanded it.

    • @ntfoperative9432
      @ntfoperative9432 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Because she was angy, and apparently being more assertive also makes you more stupid

  • @0ctopusComp1etely
    @0ctopusComp1etely 2 ปีที่แล้ว +904

    My dad's favorite movie of all time is The Incredibles, no joke. He's almost 70, and probably watched it like, 40 times or something now. Drives my mom absolutely crazy cause she's sick of it (as much as she still really enjoys it too). It's got everything he could want- good family themes, subtle-but-important conflicts, a happy and hopeful ending, fun action, and great messages all-around. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. It's nigh perfect, and he loves it for it.
    I've never heard him talk about The Incredibles 2 once, despite him seeing it opening night.

    • @pingaswingas1
      @pingaswingas1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +151

      This comment speaks volumes.

    • @bossman2108
      @bossman2108 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Welp. There ya go.

    • @charity9660
      @charity9660 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Ain’t no way i could watch it that many times. It’s really not that deep lol space jam yea i could understand because bugs bunny

    • @LaLaLaLaNom
      @LaLaLaLaNom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      I’m so sorry for your dad. Imagine looking forward to this after being such a fan of the original for FOURTEEN YEARS and it comes out and is an actual dumpster fire… It’s sad man. It’s really sad.

    • @kensukefan47
      @kensukefan47 ปีที่แล้ว

      My stepfather

  • @TrainWreckYT
    @TrainWreckYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +330

    Anyone else notice how sometime when he says a word, the footage will show the characters doing that thing? Like when he says 'And they fumbled the ball completely ', you can see Helen fumbling the phone in the background. Now that is true dedication.

    • @rmhartman
      @rmhartman ปีที่แล้ว +57

      he does a great job of selecting video to represent his text

    • @PhoenixEnforcer101
      @PhoenixEnforcer101 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Yes. I thought that was hilarious and clever every time

    • @AlphaOmega1237
      @AlphaOmega1237 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Yep, it's good editing. So many "video essays" with just have random clips or game footage playing in the background, so I appreciate when someone takes the time to show clips that provide proper context.
      Honestly, this guy reminds me a lot of Mauler. I'm interested to see more of his content.

    • @petery6432
      @petery6432 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The editing is top notch. It's the same idea that MauLer uses whenever he makes an entry into the Unbridled series

    • @TwilightChomperEnthusiast
      @TwilightChomperEnthusiast 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I absolutely adore that type of editing. Small, yet greatly appreciated details that add so much to the viewing experience. Infinitely better than the over-edited garbage era we live in.

  • @RNS_Aurelius
    @RNS_Aurelius ปีที่แล้ว +179

    One of the biggest issues I take with a lot of Pixar sequels is retreading story beats while foregoing continuity for plot reasons. They don't tell a new story, they just insult the original one.

    • @pranavrao6370
      @pranavrao6370 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Except Toy Story 2, Cars 2, Toy Story 3, Finding Dory, and Cars 3

    • @joaquinm9148
      @joaquinm9148 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@pranavrao6370 Yes

    • @PKMN37
      @PKMN37 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@pranavrao6370 Agreed

  • @good__person
    @good__person ปีที่แล้ว +433

    19:11 You know, when you mention Bob accidentally broke the control panel. I just realize, that even in the direst situation, Bob is still very calculating. When Syndrome kidnaps Jack Jack, his own son, he doesn't just try to throw something because it might hurt Jack Jack, even when Helen persuades him to do something. Only after Jack Jack has been saved, he does do something, throw his car and end Syndrome. This kinda makes me wonder if he ever kills or essentially puts the villain in the hospital for a very long time.

    • @DeltaRaven97
      @DeltaRaven97 ปีที่แล้ว +80

      I mean, a punch from him can probably instantly KO a villain if well placed. But I think in the prime of his Superhero days he did try not to kill.
      However, at the same time, in the first movie when he threw the railcar at those 2 guards... Yeah they're dead. There's an argument either way.

    • @donnythedingo
      @donnythedingo ปีที่แล้ว +13

      he almost killed his boss

    • @BabyGhast4
      @BabyGhast4 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      @@donnythedingo To be fair, Bob had a lot a rage building up all those potential years. The throw through the wall wasn’t just for the prevention of a wallet stealing, it was payback for everything the boss put him through.

    • @_V.Va_
      @_V.Va_ ปีที่แล้ว

      Some people deserve death so it would make sense if he's done it.

    • @DavidMartinez-ce3lp
      @DavidMartinez-ce3lp ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@BabyGhast4 and he also couldn't save someone that was getting mugged nearby. You could see him getting angry because he can't do anything to help them.

  • @mauricesteel4995
    @mauricesteel4995 2 ปีที่แล้ว +719

    My biggest peeve i have with this movie is Hellen doing basically what her husband did in the first movi e and No One Sees History Repeating Itself. Its almost like what if they made a sequel to Wreck it Ralph where Vanelope's new dream is to go Turbo.

    • @tonyknighton4019
      @tonyknighton4019 2 ปีที่แล้ว +107

      The fact that Helen even referenced it is even more disgusting.

    • @EugenioScamardella
      @EugenioScamardella 2 ปีที่แล้ว +74

      Well, Vanellope did actually go Turbo in the sequel, so...

    • @NarfIarg
      @NarfIarg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +135

      @@EugenioScamardella thats the joke.

    • @EugenioScamardella
      @EugenioScamardella 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@NarfIarg don't worry, I did get it ahah.

    • @Iotuseater
      @Iotuseater 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Haha,, yeah,, “if”

  • @WiiSage
    @WiiSage 2 ปีที่แล้ว +468

    1:09:55 Bob was actually very familiar with Gazer Beam considering he was at Bob's wedding which was a secret wedding, so you would assume all the people that were there are very close friends, which would explain Bob's reacting in seeing Gazer Beam's corpse in the first movie.

    • @valance10
      @valance10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      There's a deleted scene where bob speaks at Gazerbeam's funeral, Bob intoduced him to superhero work and was good friends with him

  • @carlososoriohernandez3979
    @carlososoriohernandez3979 2 ปีที่แล้ว +477

    First movie Mr. Incredible: He can throw a giant robot with no problem
    Second movie Mr. Incredible: A moleman kicks his ass, he only can defeat a super as strong as him with help, can't smash some tubes that obstruct his way

    • @richadoruisuthegod3674
      @richadoruisuthegod3674 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bob didn't throw a giant robot with ease

    • @carlososoriohernandez3979
      @carlososoriohernandez3979 2 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      @@richadoruisuthegod3674 On the jungle, he was able to punch the omnidroid and toss him a certain distance away from him and on the city he could stop him from crushing his kids and later tackle him with no problem

    • @silverscorpio24
      @silverscorpio24 2 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      Don't forget that Bob can uproot a giant tree like it's a tiny garden stake

    • @creed8712
      @creed8712 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      It is not possible that Brick is anywhere close to the strength of Mr Incredible because she would have been dead since making an Omni droid as strong as Bob was very important to Syndromes plan

    • @ShadowKamehameha32
      @ShadowKamehameha32 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@richadoruisuthegod3674 You're right. He punched it with ease. When he wasn't even in his physical prime, I may add.

  • @Eli-akad
    @Eli-akad ปีที่แล้ว +314

    I believe the biggest killer of this movie was its conception. The movie was produced years after the original, and within that time society changed greatly. That plus I believe incredibles 2 was made solely off of fans wanting it. That within itself took away the potentially organicness of a sequel. I notice that a lot of projects that are brought to life because of fans either is a disappointment or cash grab

    • @HoshizakiYoshimasa
      @HoshizakiYoshimasa ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Yep goes to show people can't leave a good thing well enough alone. Star Wars is another example. People wanted more movies. They got them. Now the legacy is diminished

    • @petery6432
      @petery6432 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I feel like the only sequel that came about from fans wanting it was Aliens, which, to my understanding, came about because James Cameron wanted a sequel to the original.

    • @BWMagus
      @BWMagus ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@HoshizakiYoshimasa Uh, the only Star Wars movies arguably made for fans was Empire Strikes Back, which is fantastic, and Return of the Jedi, which is okay. The prequels were made for Lucas himself, and the sequels were made as cash grabs. Star Wars is the exact opposite of an example.

    • @normadgarmez7026
      @normadgarmez7026 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      That's the thing about sequels, it's a hit or miss. Had the Incredible sequels been released in the time spots of the Car sequels they might have been great.

    • @jøy_what_riley_loves_the_most
      @jøy_what_riley_loves_the_most หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      at least this is a disappointment and not a cash grab

  • @mustacheman1273
    @mustacheman1273 ปีที่แล้ว +378

    Even if their house and belongings were destroyed, what happened to Bob's TRIPLED ANNUAL SALARY he was making? Did he store it in the house?

    • @good__person
      @good__person ปีที่แล้ว +160

      I think it's weirder that Bob doesn't insure their tiny house when he literally works for an insurance company and knows the loophole for it

    • @0ctopusComp1etely
      @0ctopusComp1etely ปีที่แล้ว +118

      @@good__person ...That is an EXCELLENT point to bring up.
      Why wasn't their house insured?
      ESPECIALLY with super children running around inside it?

    • @Mr_Vosakisen
      @Mr_Vosakisen ปีที่แล้ว +59

      Shhhh, dont think about that guys, just consume product

    • @DavidMartinez-ce3lp
      @DavidMartinez-ce3lp ปีที่แล้ว +44

      @@Mr_Vosakisen Oh yeah, I almost forgot to consume product

    • @jonusaguilar8156
      @jonusaguilar8156 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      At least before the second movie, I always assumed that by the end of the first movie, the family had moved into a new house and were able to return to a mostly normal life.

  • @krunkle5136
    @krunkle5136 2 ปีที่แล้ว +234

    It's very sad to imagine someone dismissing this analysis and saying "it's just a movie".
    Any fictional media deserves respect and close attention, because that's how it improves.
    It's imbuing meaning to something that is really just smoke and magic and on some level is just entertainment, but it could be more.

    • @SR.PlayAlot64
      @SR.PlayAlot64 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Exactly

    • @theirDevil
      @theirDevil ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Not to mention "it's just a movie" happens to mean,
      It's only the result of thousands of man hours of labor
      It's only the livelihoods of hundreds of families
      It's only the cost of several million dollar
      I think everyone can agree, it would be nice if all that could have been used to make an actually good piece of entertainment.

    • @mrbinklesgames6620
      @mrbinklesgames6620 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@theirDevil the incredibles 2 is good

    • @_V.Va_
      @_V.Va_ ปีที่แล้ว +3

      BUT at the same time, you can acknowledge the valid points made against it and still like it.
      But yeah, The Incredibles 2 is incredibly mid.

    • @jøy_what_riley_loves_the_most
      @jøy_what_riley_loves_the_most หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      "Any fictional media deserves respect and close attention" this is true except for Illumination movies

  • @johnnyfroggo7361
    @johnnyfroggo7361 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1149

    Fun is not something one considers when performing media autopsies. But this, does put a smile on my face.

    • @reggielacey2235
      @reggielacey2235 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It wasn't even that bad

    • @Player-dw3pe
      @Player-dw3pe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      @@reggielacey2235 Your right it's not bad, if this movie was a standalone movie that is. But the thing is, this movie is a sequel to one of the most critically acclaimed Pixar movie. People are going to judge it as a sequel to something special and this movie compared to the first one it doesn't hold up lol...

    • @alexvaughan1013
      @alexvaughan1013 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ADoseOfBuckley makes Musical Autopsies fun as hell. Maybe it's cathartic, since pop music is so shit 🤣

    • @reggielacey2235
      @reggielacey2235 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Player-dw3pe just because they it didn't like ve up to your standards doesn't means it's a bad sequel

    • @reggielacey2235
      @reggielacey2235 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@alexvaughan1013 pop music isn't shit

  • @NogChannel
    @NogChannel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    The Underminer just got a BIG W!
    1. He declared War on Happiness and Joy and got no consequences.
    2. He got rich.
    3. Beats up the one and only Mr. Incredible at Hand To Hand combat.
    4. Escape freely with all the city’s cash and nothing bad happens to the underminer.

    • @fruitjuicyyy1088
      @fruitjuicyyy1088 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      He really did get away with everything, absolute W

    • @Atheismo9760
      @Atheismo9760 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Who will stand up for Happiness now?

    • @drewbug93
      @drewbug93 ปีที่แล้ว

      What does "W" mean?

    • @tonyknighton4019
      @tonyknighton4019 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@drewbug93 "Win"

    • @drewbug93
      @drewbug93 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@tonyknighton4019 K thank you

  • @FeatherRanching
    @FeatherRanching ปีที่แล้ว +104

    "Continuity isn't a thing anymore" is the perfect synopsis of modern Hollywood.

  • @PaladinGear15
    @PaladinGear15 ปีที่แล้ว +169

    I love listening to people talk so passionately, it's so good :p
    Also, Mr Incredible is getting Superman writing, where he's precisely as strong as the writers need him to be at that very moment in time, where sometimes he can lift earth one handed with ease, sometimes he struggles to lift a rock half the size of his body.

    • @avivastudios2311
      @avivastudios2311 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      They do that with Superman? I guess that's what happens when you have multiple writers doing something.

    • @PKMN37
      @PKMN37 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      As a parody of Superman, Wordgirl is the same way. She can destroy a giant robot with ease (most of the time, anyway) but gets defeated when The Butcher buries her in an avalanche of meat.

  • @SparkpadArt
    @SparkpadArt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +385

    The big issue with the opening sequence is how "obligatory" it feels. Much like Back to the Future Part 2, they're just doing whatever they can to resolve the hook the last movie left so they can move on to tell their main story. But at least BTTF had a whole act dedicated to it, instead of just a prologue.

    • @andrewgreeb916
      @andrewgreeb916 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      You could time jump if it didn't fit, it's a workaround.

    • @Mr.Heller
      @Mr.Heller 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Back to the future didn't have such problems, in fact it was "one" script for all three movies, every single detail was calculated, even seemingly insignificant things.

    • @SparkpadArt
      @SparkpadArt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Whatever the case, the first one was written as a standalone, so even if it flopped, it wouldn't leave too much hanging.
      And when the second movie follows up on the hook of the first, going to the future actually has a significant role in kick-starting the plot, when Marty considers the idea of bringing a sports almanac back with him and Biff actually goes through with it.

    • @Vidzette
      @Vidzette 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Mr.Heller Sorry but no, BTTF was supposed to be a one-and-done thing, that's why Jennifer goes to the future with Marty. I'm gonna try to find the clip where Robert Zemeckiz stated that they didn't really know what to do with her in the follow-up movie because like I said BTTF was conceived as a one-and-done project. Now BTTF 2 and 3 were actually made pretty much at the same time, so they wouldn't have a similar issue (that's my guess).
      Edit: th-cam.com/video/aoEQmgDWF4Q/w-d-xo.html (here it is)

    • @rommix0
      @rommix0 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      At least BTTF2 was actually enjoyable and memorable unlike Incredibles 2 and Ghostbusters 2.

  • @PresidentScrooge
    @PresidentScrooge 2 ปีที่แล้ว +215

    When Disney bought Pixar I talked to a friend about how long we guess it would take until Pixar loses its magic and their movies become mediocre. Incredibles 2 and Toy Story 4 answered those questions very clearly.

    • @timy9197
      @timy9197 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      That’s two movies out of like 20. And this just seems like you’re picking the two sequels that were made out of properties you grew up with after you were no longer a kid. Of course those are the ones you would pick.

    • @enderlord8771
      @enderlord8771 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@timy9197 Light Year seems to be bad, Luca seems mediocre, Turning Red is weird, Incredibles 2, Toy story 4. Not the best streak.
      But recently-ish we also got Coco, maybe Soul (I'm not sure how to judge Soul exactly yet), Onward (I think it's pretty good). Personally right now, I think Coco is the strongest out of those.
      Also, both of those were sequels that the original movies came out years ago. I think the real link is that Disney is bad at sequels.

    • @eatatjoes6751
      @eatatjoes6751 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      When Disney bought Pixar I thought it would suck too - and for the first half of the buyout the red flags hadn't popped up yet for me until Brave. After that their movies went on a slow, steady trail toward declining.

    • @DukeNukemMan-un8tm
      @DukeNukemMan-un8tm ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Cars 2 is when they lost it, Inc 2 and TS4 is when that magic ceased to exist

    • @quangamershyguyyz7166
      @quangamershyguyyz7166 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@eatatjoes6751 I don’t blame Disney for Pixar’s movies going on a decline. Even if Disney hadn’t bought them I’m pretty sure we still probably would’ve gotten their more mediocre to bad movies anyway.

  • @anthonyh7990
    @anthonyh7990 2 ปีที่แล้ว +272

    Fun fact about the original Incredibles: Supers were able to get sued during the prologue of the movie because the good samaritan law wasn't in the same effect as today. Matpat from film theory video call "can you sue a superhero" goes into much more detail about this but long story short the original went the extra mile to place it during the only time it could of to make any legal sense.

    • @ntfoperative9432
      @ntfoperative9432 2 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      And yet the Second movie, even though it's set directly after the first movie, seems to have fast forward like 40-50 years

    • @prufan
      @prufan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      How can you sue a superhero, when you don't know who they are?

    • @Sand-Walker13
      @Sand-Walker13 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@ntfoperative9432 yeah I noticed that too. What a whiplash that gave me

    • @y4rdkat
      @y4rdkat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @@prufan supers were on government payroll in this universe

    • @kingkcheifre
      @kingkcheifre 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      THHHHAATS just a theory… a F I L M THEORY.

  • @occultnightingale1106
    @occultnightingale1106 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    1:05:58 One point to make: it is implied in the first Incredibles that Bob's original Mr. Incredible suit is not made of ordinary material, as Edna immediately infers that Bob has been moonlighting hero work because of the fact that he managed to get it damaged. It doesn't *entirely* excuse the fact that both Bob and Helen's classic suits survived their home's destruction, but it is evidence that their supersuits have always been more durable than standard spandex, especially given that if they weren't exceptionally durable, Bob's suit would have suffered some significant damage in the first film's introductory scene from the friction of shaking that tree alone.

  • @doglish_
    @doglish_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Incredibles 2 should have been an exploration of whether or not Syndrome was right
    (and/or a scenario where his super-tech gets leaked to the public)

  • @Shazameatums
    @Shazameatums 2 ปีที่แล้ว +477

    Personally, I think the movie should have started a year or two after the first one ended. Maybe reference the Underminer fight, but not begin with it. This movie could have benefitted with a small time jump. I also think that Screenslaver had potential to be a good villain but they dropped the ball. The scene at the apartment was awesome and they could have expanded on it in more interesting ways.

    • @RapperRank
      @RapperRank 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Was literally just thinking this, did not actually expect them to continue directly from the underminer but i feel a big part of why they did that is because of jack jack jokes 🤦🏿‍♂️

    • @KaizerHiwatari
      @KaizerHiwatari 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      I would argue that Screenslaver was always doomed to failure as a hamfisted stereotype of "kids today and their phones! Social media sucks amiright?"

    • @DarthYodaJammin
      @DarthYodaJammin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Start the movie with (a differently choreographed) Underminder fight so we can get the satisfaction of seeing that after all the years of build up. Then, have the rich mf find them based on his connections from working with Mr. D and seeing their fight with the robot on TV (it took time because surprise-surprise, it's hard to find supers through a government program). I think it'd be much better for pacing while keeping some sense to what's established.

    • @frankbalatbat1804
      @frankbalatbat1804 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      that was what I was thinking, a time skip would been the way to go and deluge into new struggles the family have to get through as Superheroes
      like Maybe Violet struggling with juggling her responsibilities with hero work and normal life that it stresses her out to the point it puts a strain on her
      [her renouncing superheroes would of been a big thing as it mirrors back to how she wants to be normal in which case it be like Spider Man 2 where Peter Parker mentally shuts her powers off wanting to be normal and not bearing anymore the weight of responsibility which was costing her time with Tony and the ordinary mundane life only when something bad happens and Tony gets caught in it that she must accept her role as a superhero while maybe coming to the big decision that she must let go of Tony as she doesn't want the mental baggage and strain her role has put on both of them throughout the movie [it be a tearful moment for her as she is letting go of someone she wants to be with even though she still has her heart set on him which in turn means letting go of the thing she sought for which is being just a normal human being. Maybe Tony makes his own choice and decides to still want to be with Violet despite the difficulties the two will face in short Violet finds herself someone who is willing to go the distances with her despite difficulties they will face].
      Heck maybe Dash gotten rebellious over time and starting to go the same way Dick Greyson went as he got older and not wanting to be in Batman's shadow as Robin which leads to a period of estrangement and resentment between father and son much to Helen's distress and Bob regretting what he did to lead to his own son to hate him now and trying to make amends to no avail till some point in the movie the two must make up and put what happened to them behind them in order for unity to happen again in the family/ Superhero team.
      Helen doesn't really need much of an arc but rather she be the one to play an important role in the whole Dash Bob conflict and helping Violet in her own personal struggle, who knows maybe now that she is getting older and isn't as good as she was in the during her "top of her game" time and the events and in between of the first film when the family were together, her role as a damsel in distress is the reason to lead both father and son to set aside whatever pains that has now walled their bond to unify and save a love one from death
      as for Jack Jack, he is still a Superhero in training with some control of his power. maybe he will act as Helen's support and rock to hold her up on her own journey and quest to try to keep the family together.
      that is what I think the sequel should been, if Pixar aged up Andy in Toy Story 3 why not with the Parr family.

    • @elvickRULES
      @elvickRULES ปีที่แล้ว +6

      They could’ve mirrored the opening of the original but framed it as interviews on social media or legally distinct “TH-cam” and have them talk about the underminer fight.

  • @tjz3158
    @tjz3158 2 ปีที่แล้ว +233

    My biggest problem with it is how much Bob is so selfish and incompetent as a father even though in the first movie it was the total opposite. My second biggest problem is how useless the kids are, I really thought they were gonna be the main focus of this movie and Jak Jak kinda is but is mostly used for laughs and Hellen I love her I really do but she did not deserve to be the main character of the movie in my opinion not that it’s her fault she’s still one of my personal favorite.

    • @ExtremeMan10
      @ExtremeMan10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Dash was completely left in the dust compared to first one. Guy was the one who protected his sister from other mercenaries by luring them away and then took them all out by using terrain to his advantage, all while only running. Meanwhile Dash in sequel is stoned when facing other super heroes even though he could have took out some of them by himself even without Violett or Frozone just for the fact how fast he is.

    • @ab-gail
      @ab-gail ปีที่แล้ว +25

      I feel this. I wanted more of the family working together like in the jungle in the first movie. Not this :(

    • @Aiveq
      @Aiveq ปีที่แล้ว +5

      i though when movie was coming out it would focus on parents try to explain to kids about adult world with heroes being illegal and what not. like they stop a villain or something and while parents what to bail from eyes, kids want to show off before world. a growing up theme of movie but instead we got two steps back

    • @nicholassims9837
      @nicholassims9837 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Still not as bad as Bo Peep in TS4 or Mushu in Mulan 2

    • @nicholassims9837
      @nicholassims9837 ปีที่แล้ว

      Think this would be better
      th-cam.com/video/Qsk59APfmj0/w-d-xo.html ?

  • @smhsophie
    @smhsophie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    I will never understand how the incredible 2 video game from 2005 or something handled this so much better

  • @DarkstarArchangel
    @DarkstarArchangel ปีที่แล้ว +74

    I like how you actually mention how it makes no sense that many witnesses can testify that the Incredibles family saved people and prevented destruction and not caused the destruction as the police were trying to imply at the beginning of the movie.

  • @CrysiCrysis
    @CrysiCrysis ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I wish this movie had been a story about the family learning to fight together instead of whatever this mess was. Imagine getting an opening fight where they fumble with each other, trying to figure out how to make each power work together as one team. Watching them develop their powers with smaller villains and unraveling a deepening conspiracy about the return and rise of new supervillains. Watch them put the pieces together both of their teamwork and their incoming, new age enemies. Watch them bring in modern villain groups rather than one off solo acts.
    Imagine Violet learning how to do the force field slash after training with Frozone! Or seeing Helen teach Dash about momentum and movement in a battle. Like, there’s so much fun stuff that could happen with them learning how to teamwork. And you can still open with a team battle in the opening, albeit a fumbling and uncoordinated one. And then end with them taking out some lesser villain in a villainous syndicate who’s posing a threat, using their newly gained teamwork skills and ingenuity to win the day. And then leave us hoping for another with a hint at a larger, international or global threat. Give us that “with the return of heroes comes the return of evil” sort of plot.
    There were so many ways this movie could have been done better.

    • @eatatjoes6751
      @eatatjoes6751 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      YES!

    • @DavidMartinez-ce3lp
      @DavidMartinez-ce3lp ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dang that sounds far better than what we got

    • @user-sq5eg8vz6j
      @user-sq5eg8vz6j 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Should have focused on the family struggling to balance their normal life since becoming hero’s.

  • @martinmnagell2894
    @martinmnagell2894 2 ปีที่แล้ว +223

    42:14 "Long video = bad video"
    I believe the exact opposite. I cannot tell you how excited I feel whenever I see a video essay longer than 15 minutes regardless of wether I like what the content is about.
    I am so glad that this video appeared in my recomended and am now preparing to binge your Toy Story 4 video.

    • @TempoLOOKING
      @TempoLOOKING 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Gen z don't agree, henceforth all TH-camrs need to make shorts.

    • @persooniemand8346
      @persooniemand8346 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@TempoLOOKING I'm gen z, and I agree with OP

    • @lazaroskarmaniolas7410
      @lazaroskarmaniolas7410 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      As long as the video actually has something to say beyond nitpicking or rambling, it's length doesn't matter. A well thought analysis can either take you through a thought process step by step, or hit like a truck with a simple phrase.
      It's not the length, it's how you use it.

    • @xenn4985
      @xenn4985 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@lazaroskarmaniolas7410 youre making me want to watch maulers dark souls videos again.

    • @seallord6092
      @seallord6092 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@TempoLOOKING TH-camrs make shorts for the algorithm my guy

  • @ShepardOfficial
    @ShepardOfficial 2 ปีที่แล้ว +320

    You do NOT talk too long. I love how in depth you go. I listen to these video essays at work, I'm a metal finisher and I put my earphones in and listen to you destroy these writers for being so lazy. Don't listen to anybody complaining. They can turn the video off at anytime. Do not stop doing what you're doing and how you're doing it. It's fucking perfect.

    • @jeremyusreevu237
      @jeremyusreevu237 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I watched Kyle Kallgren's video on Cinemasins, and while it was a really good video, he dissed GamingMagic13's review of Toy Story 4 in a really confusing way, by saying "This guy complained about the first 10 minutes of Toy Story 4 for an hour. It's a performance art piece. We've found the Marina Abramović of TH-cam Movie Reviewers". Like, I'd be madder if I understood what you were even trying to say. How is an hour-long review of Toy Story 4 a "performance art piece?" And why is that a bad thing?

    • @ShepardOfficial
      @ShepardOfficial 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@jeremyusreevu237 exactly. Like how is that hurting him? Nobody is making him watch it. I have all these kind of thoughts when I watch movies, so to have so much content to listen to is amazing. Like the whole point of a video essay is to go in depth and explain your points. Like wtf 😂

    • @soulsearcher9620
      @soulsearcher9620 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@jeremyusreevu237 the more someone has to say, the longer it takes. it's not a hard concept. It's just a deflection tactic to try and defend sunk cost fallacy in things they care about for X reason . for Toy Story, it's nostalgia and holding Pixar up as the golden calf.

    • @jeremyusreevu237
      @jeremyusreevu237 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@soulsearcher9620 I guess. It's just I never saw hour-long reviews as a bad thing. A lot of people I watch, like Caddicarus, Friendly Space Ninja, and Good Bad Or Bad Bad, make videos that are an hour or 2 hours long, and their long videos are pretty descriptive, fun, and entertaining, without any bad points. Same with watching some of GamingMagic13's longer videos, like his Toy Story 4 series, and his Top 10 Worst Video Games list (which was hilarious btw). The only long video I disagreed with him on is his Free Guy review, and that's only because it's a movie I like, but can still see why someone would take issue with.
      Plus, that doesn't explain why he called an hour-long review of Toy Story 4 a "performance art piece". Like, that doesn't make any kind of sense.

    • @Lizuma
      @Lizuma 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Exactly, I love how in depth these go! It’s entertaining hearing all about what’s wrong with the movie and listening while I draw!

  • @PhillipOnTakos
    @PhillipOnTakos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +151

    I'll never forget Brad Bird saying he'd only make an Incredibles sequel if he had a really good idea. I don't know what Disney did to have him turn this but this is what we got. Especielly when the other idea I heard about Incredibles sequels while nothing crazy at least didn't retcon Supers being illegal.

    • @juuchanIRL
      @juuchanIRL ปีที่แล้ว +19

      they forced his hand and pixar itself is now disney's slave, churning out sequels and crap on command.
      they have lost most of their original talent to other studios and only make new movies once every few years. it's sad, really.

    • @Daiyuki117
      @Daiyuki117 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Money

  • @SpiritWolfeMoon
    @SpiritWolfeMoon ปีที่แล้ว +94

    Personally I quite enjoy long videos, long videos can allow more evidence to be given to a viewer and can give more points. With this you very well explained why you felt the way you did and it honestly makes you feel more authentic, thanks for this awesome video my dude.

  • @Karter_Blackpaw
    @Karter_Blackpaw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    I remember going to the theater with my younger sister to see this and we were both left incredibly confused. The whole time we were laughing at the bad plot holes and how so many things were never getting answered. For example, we immediately talked about how The Underminer just....escapes, and NOBODY ever mentions it ever again in the plot, or how every character's motivations just flip to an instant 180* for "reasons" that just ruins how this was supposed to be like a week after the events of the first movie.

  • @italianbaptist
    @italianbaptist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +520

    Never got a chance to play it, but apparently there was a video game where the Incredibles fought the Underminer right after the events of the first film that’s completely ignored and retconned by this opener.
    Guess Lightyear wasn’t the first in this area either?

    • @standalonework5056
      @standalonework5056 2 ปีที่แล้ว +123

      You are absolutely correct my friend. In fact I had the game when I was a kid. I really wish they made the plot of that game the actual sequel plot. Rather than sneaking one of the soundtrack from the game, as an Easter egg.

    • @Rodri34451
      @Rodri34451 2 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      Yeah, that's right. I remember when they announced this movie I though they'd adapt the plot of the game in some way.

    • @ntfoperative9432
      @ntfoperative9432 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I remember that game, had it on my DS

    • @thegamingprozone1941
      @thegamingprozone1941 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Rise of the underminer!

    • @AlquimisOnline
      @AlquimisOnline 2 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      I seriously prefer the plot from that game than the one they decided upon in this "sequel"
      Even my mom,who watched the original movie with me on the theather said she didn't like the movie at all and would rather have them not focus on Elastigirl and just do what the first movie did.
      The completely destroyed the characters of everyone and threw all logic and worldbuilding aside in order to push an idea that just didn't fit in the world as it was established in the first movie.
      I hate when people do that to their stories,because it just feels unecessary and pointless and shows that, as a storyteller, you are unable to focus on what made the story work and that you aren't able to comprehend the universe you yourself created. It shows that you just want to shoehorn in a thing into the sotry just because you find it "cool" or wanted to show a message through the story regardless of if it actually made sense or if it would fit with the whole context of the narrative.
      People nowadays think it's ok to just toss aside all logic and reasoning in order to put in stuff in their stories just because they found that idea to be cool, but if you are to make a decent story, you gotta work with what you have, and if an idea doesn't fit in the worl you created, tearing down all the world building you did just because of one concept or event isn't the right thing to do, you're basically throwing out all of your story and what made it original or good because of one simple thing that adds nothing to your work. That, to me, is what happened here, I recall people saying that at pixar, they usedto rewrite the stories multiple times before they got to the production phase, I do believe that they have just discarded this habit and it really shows, this movie feels more like a first draft of a story than a final product that was well thought out and thoroughly looked at to iron out any mistakes or inconsistencies.
      Altough a lot og people criticize the ROTU game for it's flaws, I still prefer that to this, The Incredibles is, and probably will always be my Favorite Super Hero movie! I'd rather them not do a second movie than do something like this and completely ruin the legacy of something that to me is the best super hero movie of all time.

  • @saj-manthesonicfan1893
    @saj-manthesonicfan1893 2 ปีที่แล้ว +261

    You know what this video is making me realize? The kids' arc (or at least Dash's) in this movie should have been focused on collateral damage. Think about it: in that opening action scene, he's rushing to save people from debris. But what if, in a moment that could be reminiscent of A-Train from The Boys, he rushes to save someone, but with his super speed gives them whiplash? Or dislocates a wrist that he yanks on to rescue someone from debris? Immediately, he'll be ripped from the high of getting to participate in superheroics down to the reality of what happens when someone with super speed doesn't have complete control and restraint of that overwhelming power? Dash would then have to grapple with his desire to be a superhero and use his great powers and the damage he can easily do to innocent people.
    This can be something he can dwell on and retreat into himself a bit because of it, he could even visit the people he accidentally damaged. Guilt ridden, traumatized, demoralized, etc. He could even come to a realization that making superheroes illegal made sense and was for the best. He could devolve into a (kinda) self hating super for a second, think about how powerful that would be for Dash. The kid that was giddy when he asked "As fast as I can?!" when his mother finally told him it was okay for him to unleash his full powers. The kid that was excited beyond belief that someone thought enough about him to create a specially made suit for him to unleash his unique powers. The kid that was geeking out in the car after the adventure was over and flailing all over the place about how much he loves being part of a superhero family. Only to have him realistically devolve into the state of mind that superheroes are dangerous and were better off in hiding. He should have remained in hiding. He doesn't deserve to be a superhero, he doesn't deserve his powers, he doesn't deserve to be incredible.
    Then Bob could notice this change in his son's behavior and finally he can have a scene with Dash that would mirror the scene Helen had with Violet in the first movie. Bob can explain that the reason heroes were banned in the first place began with him saving someone and accidentally hurting them. We can finally get some introspection on that moment in his life, that time period in this world, Bob's development shining through as he gives Dash whatever wisdom he needs to get past this traumatic event and give Dash the development he needs to be a greater hero and a better character.
    Think about it: Dash never really addresses the problems with his impulsiveness and rash decisions, not even the first movie touches on this. So in this movie, we along with Dash, can reassess how we feel about untrained children with awesome powers jumping into life and death situations and how badly innocent people can get hurt because of this choice. Is this the child's fault? Should they bench someone with powers so incredibly useful as super speed? Is Dash the problem or is his powers the problem? Is his impulsivity just part of his powers? Is he just doomed to be reckless forever? Will he always be a danger to others? How can he even begin to balance training with homework and running track? Should he attempt to balance all that or simply admit he doesn't have what it takes to be a hero? And most importantly, why does Dash want to be a superhero as opposed to anything else he could do to utilize his powers i.e. track and racing? And in the final act, all these questions can be answered, ending with Dash realizing why he wants to be a superhero and becoming much more methodical and careful with his powers. Thus, making him a better hero and strengthen the family as a superhero team, eliciting pride and joy in his father, THE Mr. Incredible. Dash could come out in the clutch at the very end of the climactic action, earning a "That's my boy" as opposed to Violet earning a "That's my girl" in the first movie. A neat callback that is carefully built up to as a satisfying payoff specifically for Dash's arc and Bob's relationship with his son.
    Plus, if you allow Dash to go through this trauma and grapple with it, you can use the development he went through with Violet in the first movie to establish how close they've become as siblings. How far they've come from the typical petty sibling stuff, how they lean on each other because they're the only super powered kids they know, because they know they've got each other's backs after the island attack. Also we'd be really touching on collateral damage instead of just barely touching it to kinda dress up the story, it's actually a core part of a main character's arc. And you could use the kids causing collateral damage be the reason why Helen is backtracking on letting them be superheroes. Instead of "things were different on the island", it would be "things are different because you're in need of training/you're not ready for saving innocent people. You were only allowed to fight the giant robot because we had no other choice but to include you since you were already in the thick of it. But now, in light of the people you've hospitalized, you're on the bench for now". And that's the important bit, *for now*. Not forever, not "you were wrong to act and save the city". Just "you aren't quite ready for the field, let's try and train you to be better".
    I dunno, at least it's a lot better than "hElP mE wItH tHe MaThS"

    • @TheSweetTeaGuy
      @TheSweetTeaGuy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      I like this version of the movie much MUCH more than what we ended up with. In fact, it makes me sad we didn't get this story.

    • @killianmiller6107
      @killianmiller6107 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      That sounds really smart. When I saw the part where dash moved the old lady out of the way of a falling car, I was sort of amazed that she was fine after such a rapid movement, given how fragile old ladies can be.

    • @H3BO3
      @H3BO3 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      This would have been excellent writing for Dash. Just makes me sad reading this thinking about how the sequel could have been so much more

    • @MrBluntz
      @MrBluntz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      You should be a writer, this would have been so much better to see than what we got, man this movie is disappointing especially after reading this

    • @616ShadowFox
      @616ShadowFox 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Wonderful

  • @togepiss
    @togepiss 2 ปีที่แล้ว +210

    I think the fact that there are quite literally a hundred lines from the first movie that my family quotes all the time is a testament to the sheer perfection of the writing in that movie.
    There's literally NOTHING quotable about the second film.

    • @oscar1012
      @oscar1012 2 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      Math is Math

    • @princetchalla2441
      @princetchalla2441 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      @@oscar1012 THEY CHANGED MATH

    • @uckbritley1305
      @uckbritley1305 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      "I'm incredible!" - Mr. Incredible, 'The Incredibles 2'

    • @NebLleb
      @NebLleb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      "I eat thunder and crap lightning, okay?! Because I am Mr. Incredible!"

    • @togepiss
      @togepiss 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I honestly forgot all these lines and found them annoying when people quote them. And even then, five quotable lines against literal hundreds really is nothing

  • @seapanda-117
    @seapanda-117 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    My least favorite part is not even about Bob or Helen lol. My least favorite part is that they stopped having a world of superheroes and suddenly had a world of mutants. Not the same thing. Everyone in the first movie was a human, and some of them had powers. Not everyone in the second movie was a human. It was a weird shift that hit me, personally, so hard that I immediately was removed from the world on the screen and didn’t really like the movie. The first one is maybe my favorite western animated movie. Mask of the Phantasm is pretty legit too.
    Edit: assuming this isn’t a one-off, I’m glad to have found a channel that still does long form videos.

    • @DavidMartinez-ce3lp
      @DavidMartinez-ce3lp ปีที่แล้ว +11

      That's a good point. There's a huge difference.

  • @nanaaddae4790
    @nanaaddae4790 2 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    Thank you for saying exactly how I felt. The Incredibles is one of my favorite movies of all time. The way they fumbled the sequel is absolutely insane, and honestly would have been much better if there never was one.

  • @BurBurGerHamCotCotCybercotleta
    @BurBurGerHamCotCotCybercotleta 2 ปีที่แล้ว +180

    I like how nowadays Pixar sequels completely demolish strong, memorable characters, but give a mouthful of new abilities to everyone else (especially new characters) in the most ludicrous way
    I mean, I know the reason why, but the end rarely justifies the means
    Especially these grotesque

    • @osmanyousif7849
      @osmanyousif7849 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      If I’m being honest, Pixar should have ended in 2010, with the release of Toy Story 3.

    • @BurBurGerHamCotCotCybercotleta
      @BurBurGerHamCotCotCybercotleta 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@osmanyousif7849 this is a bit harsh
      I believe there is a way to create masterpieces again (just... don't let them make sequels, time has shown they are not capable keeping the story consistent)

    • @Thomasmemoryscentral
      @Thomasmemoryscentral 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      1. Toy Story 2 and 3 are the exceptions to good Pixar continuations
      2. Monsters University is decent as a prequel
      3. Cars 2 is bad in a case of what bad a Pixar sequel can be
      4. Incredibles II? is it on the same bad as Cars 2 or meh to the level of Monsters University?

    • @BurBurGerHamCotCotCybercotleta
      @BurBurGerHamCotCotCybercotleta 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Thomasmemoryscentral 1. "Nowadays" is a key word
      2. "Nowadays" is a key word
      3. Yes
      4. In the middle... but because of some writing issues (caused by deadline) it slowly creeps towards cars 2 type of bad

    • @BurBurGerHamCotCotCybercotleta
      @BurBurGerHamCotCotCybercotleta 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Although... monster university could do the "nerf the ogs, but make new characters "cooler"" troupe
      Honestly, I don't remember
      But it has a prequel pass, since characters can mature from prequel to main animation

  • @coreymcgivney5897
    @coreymcgivney5897 2 ปีที่แล้ว +128

    Everything with Bob just feels wrong, It just doesn’t feel right for bob to feel THIS flawed, he had flaws in the first film but they didn’t feel as bad and less uncomfortable feeling, genuinely Bob’s outbursts are truly hard to watch for me.
    Mr Fantastic from Marvel Comics is someone who has very clearly defined and constant character flaws, but everything about Reed makes him a Fascinating, Nuanced and Morally grey character. So when he does some of the pretty fucking bad shit he’s done, no matter how little or big, it Feels believable that Reed would do it, but with Bob, i don’t know, it just feels wrong

    • @gottesurteil3201
      @gottesurteil3201 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Bob was flawed in the first movie because the writers saw him as a human. Bob is flawed in this movie because the writers only see him as a man.

    • @veronica-mew
      @veronica-mew 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      This. I genuinely cringed and squirmed in the theater during some of his scenes. The worst part is that I'm not even surprised they went in this direction with his character. I feel like Disney (including Marvel, Pixar, and Star Wars) have forgotten how to write good male (or female, look how they did with Mrs. Incredible in this movie) characters. I wish we could've gotten a completely different movie smh.

    • @avoiceup3222
      @avoiceup3222 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@veronica-mew feminist agenda forbids solid writing 4 male characters

  • @capacamaru
    @capacamaru 2 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    The biggest flaw of Incredibles is that it was clearly intended to be a self-contained film, but they had to have the cliffhanger comic trope. The audience would have begged for a sequel regardless, but the hook raised the expectation to a ridiculous level. Not only was a sequel going to struggle to recapture the lightning in the bottle, but Underminer was never designed to be a good villain, making Jack Jack effectively a god was not the direction any writer planning to continue the story would have made.

    • @Eli-akad
      @Eli-akad ปีที่แล้ว +23

      I’m glad somebody thought the same thing as me. I always got the impression that the incredibles was one of those one off movies. Up until there were talks of a 2 I just assumed there was never gonna be a sequel

    • @emblemblade9245
      @emblemblade9245 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Me as well. I rolled my eyes for years at anyone saying the Underminer was a sequel hook (the tie-in sequel video games didn’t help lol)
      Haven’t these people ever heard of the “and the adventure continues” ending?

    • @eatatjoes6751
      @eatatjoes6751 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I really hate that the end of the first movie has that cliffhanger now because the rewatch value is diminished because of this piece of junk.

  • @squidsurge71
    @squidsurge71 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Actually, one of the nitpicks you mentioned could have changed the story. If Violet didn’t have a stroller for Jack Jack, she would’ve had to hold him in her arms, which likely would have prevented her from throwing her mask down, causing the entire “arc” of her character throughout the movie to be nonexistent

    • @mrheello5181
      @mrheello5181 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      So... basically, because of a continuity error, a stupid "character arc" exists for no reason. 🙄

    • @Takejiro24
      @Takejiro24 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I guess she could have held him one handed/in one arm while taking off then throwing the mask but......who wants to go through that effort or risk dropping their infant brother?

  • @Dipsxi
    @Dipsxi ปีที่แล้ว +33

    As someone who has a lot of the same opinions shared in this video, the thing that pissed me off the most was that the sequel received better ratings than the first movie on its release.

  • @cosmojames
    @cosmojames 2 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    I never hated The Incredibles 2, but I always had a weird feeling about it. Like something was off.

    • @carlososoriohernandez3979
      @carlososoriohernandez3979 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Yeah, Incredibles 2 was mid for me, but compared to the first movie is worse

    • @cosmojames
      @cosmojames 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      And now I know why.

    • @Eli-akad
      @Eli-akad ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Yea it just didn’t have the same feel as the 1st. I did notice the inconsistencies at the beginning however the movie was fine to me. I actually forgot about most of the plot until I seen this video

    • @mrbinklesgames6620
      @mrbinklesgames6620 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@carlososoriohernandez3979 the incredibles 2 is good it didnt detroy everything

  • @mauricesteel4995
    @mauricesteel4995 2 ปีที่แล้ว +191

    BTW Violet Force Field Blades is another example of doing something risky and cool instead of something safer that you already know. Violet could have saved those citizens by just dropping a forcefield on them or dropping a forcefield around the rocks, no need to use an attack to explode the rocks and potentially send SHARPNEL on the people you're supposed to protect, its the same issue that the RC in TS4 had, they were so focused on the stunt they didnt think there were more practical ways of doing the task.(like Drop Buzz to take RC out of the gutter before pulling him back instead of doing whatever they did in TS4.)

    • @marocat4749
      @marocat4749 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      i mean yeah just a forcefield blocking it would be , make more sense, she could do that risky when it makes sense he tries to be risky, clearly, like her confessing and then her getting more risky.

    • @KaizerHiwatari
      @KaizerHiwatari 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Cut to me, wondering wtf RC, TS4, and Drop Buzz even mean

    • @mauricesteel4995
      @mauricesteel4995 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@KaizerHiwatari Toy Story 4, Remote Control Car, stuck in the gutter, just bring Buzz Lightyear, the very strong toy, to take RC out of the water. instead of doing that convoluted "Operation pulltoy" using Slinky and the monkey barrel, and the porcelain doll to pull everyone back inside Molly's room.

  • @wellidontreallyknow990
    @wellidontreallyknow990 2 ปีที่แล้ว +190

    Amazing video as always.
    I would also like to add to the whole "it's just a kids movie" thing.
    Just because a movie is "kid-friendly" doesn't make it "a kids movie". For example The Incredibles is a pretty "kid-friendly" movie, but it's not made strictly for kids. There's aspects of the movie adults would enjoy much more than a kid, but a kid can watch it and get enjoyment from it too. So just because a movie is "kid-friendly", it doesn't mean it's made for kids.

    • @TheOcelotSlayer
      @TheOcelotSlayer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Exactly. It's a family movie. That's the entire theme of the first. Seems the writers of the sequel forgot.

    • @MerusotemMezz
      @MerusotemMezz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      People cofounds 'kids move' with 'for all publics'. An honestly everybody seems to been forgetting that was a thing, miss those times.

    • @adamtaurusragnathebloodedg8407
      @adamtaurusragnathebloodedg8407 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The only thing that is made for kids is TH-cam flagging videos and ruining youtubers careers with such nonsense

    • @anomaly395
      @anomaly395 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They should make that an official category. Kid’s movies and kid *friendly* movies. Because there are too many people who think all kid’s movies are just dumb fun when there’s a lot of great stuff out there (including The Incredibles).

  • @purpleapple4052
    @purpleapple4052 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I enjoyed seeing Grug slapping the wall whenever you said "everybody would have died" lol

  • @bocar4127
    @bocar4127 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    About 3 months ago I watched Incredibles 2 for the first time and my dad started watching it with me soon after the movie began- sometime around the Underminer fight. I have no idea when was the last time he saw the first movie but I distinctly remember when Bob was getting folded, my dad was like “that…doesn’t make any sense” and we proceeded to make jokes about how the Underminer would basically become a stain on the drill interior in one second lol

  • @reiluvi
    @reiluvi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +348

    I'm very proud of you, your toy story reviews were one of the most entertaining videos I've seen in youtube, I'm from a latin american country and grew up watching animated movies; watching your videos not only make me value more the films that marked my childhood but also practice my english skills, thank you so much.

    • @yt.lilsantee
      @yt.lilsantee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      *TÚ. ERES. UN. JUGUETEEE!!!*

    • @ab-gail
      @ab-gail 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Wholesome

    • @PeruvianPotato
      @PeruvianPotato 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@yt.lilsantee TÚ NO ERES EL VERDAD BUZZ LIGHTYEAR; TU ERES UN FIGURA DE ACCIÓN!!! TU ES UN NIÑOS JUGAR COSA!!!

    • @TheKnoxvicious
      @TheKnoxvicious 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@yt.lilsantee
      Tu eres un strange little man…

  • @kayanorudog2638
    @kayanorudog2638 2 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    I too felt like Violet throwing her mask on the ground was incredible idiotic and out of character for her.
    We know she’s young and still has growing to do but that scene seemed way too extreme for her.

    • @willowsprout1519
      @willowsprout1519 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Thank you! I thought that was so out of character for her too especially when her mom gave tht speech about keeping ur ID safe on the island. Then she keeps going on a temper tantrum for an OOC thing they made her do

    • @andrewgreeb916
      @andrewgreeb916 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      What if she instead launched one of those energy blades at the ground, which would make her using them later make more sense...

    • @willowsprout1519
      @willowsprout1519 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@andrewgreeb916 Id rather that least her random use of them wouldn't feel weird to me. Guess we needed a tony plot though...

    • @LowIntSpecimen
      @LowIntSpecimen ปีที่แล้ว

      @@andrewgreeb916 Yeah, you'd think someone getting mad would maybe accidentally use their powers like when how some people get mad they'll hit something. Hell, you could even have the blast go somewhere near the guy hiding under the car, thus causing him to run away anyway and continue the plot.

  • @brainfartstudios2829
    @brainfartstudios2829 2 ปีที่แล้ว +114

    Just wanted to thank you for having an entire section dedicated to nitpicks and "it's just a kid's movie" argument. It helped clear a lot of things for me, and I'm sure it did for other people as well!

    • @DemonicRemption
      @DemonicRemption 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @Brainfart studios 28
      As an aspiring animator and writer who's written three short stories for kids so far, I detest that argument.
      Because I'll never understand why kids don't deserve quality content, especially when every generation has a set of classics that are celebrated.
      Basically we have a paradox of several generations of classics that have stood the test of time, yet at the same time we're not supposed to take kids' movies and cartoons "too seriously." WTF...?

    • @aerostrafe1075
      @aerostrafe1075 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@DemonicRemption Anyone who makes that argument to me is either not a parent o r the kind of parent wo lets a tablet raise their children. Who in all good conscience willing believes that their kid doesn't deserve quality content but instead dumbed down stuff simply because "my kid is stupid". They have to have that thought process to make that argument to people.

  • @thesinistersiblings705
    @thesinistersiblings705 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    There was potential for a much more intriguing Deavor backstory.
    To set the scene. Winston's voice after he talks about how their father idolised the supers and reacted to them being made illegal: "He was heartbroken when you were all forced to go underground. Then the vultures saw the opportunity." His voices turns to hold hints of pride and anger. "They knew our father had publicly defended supers, even bailing them out of liability on multiple cases including your's Mr Incredible. They sued him, and slandered his name. He tried to fend them off but the damage was done." Winston's voice takes on a mournful tone. "After so much, our fathers health rapidly declined. He died 3 months after you were made illegal, a heartbroken and devastated man."

    • @starlight6947
      @starlight6947 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Oh. The resentment,that sounds a cool direction to take it in

  • @jamestolbert1856
    @jamestolbert1856 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Why is Helen so skeptical and cynical into thinking that saving the city was a mistake and that they’re kids are not “old enough” or capable of handling these type of situations when they’re the reason why they’re all alive!

    • @BWMagus
      @BWMagus ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I guess it's what happens when a sequel takes place immediately after the prior installment, but was actually made over a decade later--the WRITERS are thinking about things way later, way after the fact, forgetting that the CHARACTERS literally just had whatever experiences they just had, and aren't going to do total 180's or even develop doubts in those mere minutes.

    • @jamestolbert1856
      @jamestolbert1856 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@BWMagusok I don’t blame them for ghat

  • @stevesteve8244
    @stevesteve8244 2 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    I remember talking to a colleague about ideas for this movie, and from the top of my head it should be about the parents learning how to deal with their kids growing up, becoming more independent and a less arrogant. I know it's a stretch, but I wish they could meet super heroes from all over the world in a competition or something. The message should be everyone has something to learn with each other because they're a big family.
    But nope! Incredibles 2 talks about women in charge? Matriachy? Men having no idea how to be a father? Wtf do the Incredibles have anything to do with this? It's horribly bad and boring. I remember Mr Incredible looked like the biggest loser ever, a complete needy idiot. So disappointing.

  • @midnamoonlight9536
    @midnamoonlight9536 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Finally someone is tearing this movie apart. When I left the theater and everyone praised it, I thought I crazy in thinking it sucked. It feels like the first movie didn’t happen. So disappointing. But like you said in your Toy Story 4 review, I can’t really be mad at the people working on this film as it’s release date was suddenly moved up a year. I just pretend that it doesn’t exist just like with TS4

  • @putridpizza576
    @putridpizza576 2 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    you forgot to mention the REAL sequel to the Incredibles which is a video game called The Incredibles: Rise of the Underminer. it takes place directly after the movie where mr. incredible and frozone team up to take down the underminer. Sadly the family does not get to appear much in the game it mostly leaves the heavy work to Mr. incredible and frozone

    • @jamesmartin6731
      @jamesmartin6731 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This is the first thing I thought. That game was amazing I remember it well, the co-op mode was great

  • @Dana-hc3lg
    @Dana-hc3lg ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I'm only now finishing the intro and can I just say that your editing is amazing. Like the way you wrote the script and your delivery is already fantastic, but the way you align your words with fitting shots from the movie (like from 4:03-4:14 ) is a really entertaining touch. Super stoked to watch the rest of this

  • @xChimkin
    @xChimkin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    i love that after syndrome's hero murder spree suddenly the world is repopulated with heroes again

  • @Mr_Kabobbles
    @Mr_Kabobbles 2 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    This video essay is too perfect and really clearly illustrates what I would NEVER be able to do. Forever, I have wanted to pick apart the 2nd movie and just haven't been able to on the level and to the degree you have. Kudos, truly. This is an incredible video. Thank you for making this!

  • @afunnyassnickname6960
    @afunnyassnickname6960 2 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    the amount of work that you put in your videos is truly incredible.

  • @serperiorandtheanimator9216
    @serperiorandtheanimator9216 2 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    I actually wanna talk about the deavor backstory for a bit- and how I think this movie could have been improved. When I first saw the scene, and saw that the guy called the superhero’s when there was a bank robbery after they were made illegal, I thought the reason why they didn’t pick up was because they were killed by syndrome. I feel like that would be so much sadder if they didn’t pick up because they were dead, and not because they simply weren’t allowed to.
    This brings me to a point that I think should have been focused on more. Since so many of these superhero’s got murdered, why not try to focus on that part of it? Maybe have it be more existential and ask what’ll happen if they’re the last superhero’s? And to people who say like “woah, don’t you think that’s a bit dark for a family friendly movie?” Avatar the last airbender touched on this topic multiple times, and with several different characters. Hama being one of the last waterbenders of the southern tribe, the dragons almost being hunted to exctincyion, and of course, aang’s people and nations completely being wiped out. And the show was TV-Y7. Meaning it’s for 7 year olds.

    • @ntfoperative9432
      @ntfoperative9432 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It'd could even still feed into the plot, since because they weren't allowed to use their powers, none of the supers could help each other, leading to the Superhero genocide

    • @williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511
      @williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511 ปีที่แล้ว

      También esta kung fu panda 2 con po siendo el último panda lo cual se desmantelo en la 3 pero en la 2 fue increíble y oscuro

  • @SEGbruhproductions
    @SEGbruhproductions ปีที่แล้ว +18

    after 14 years of waiting for this movie, it's finally out and nobody talks about it. Big impact pixar, big impact

  • @MadMax-ii8gq
    @MadMax-ii8gq 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    This made me realize how bad the writing was in this movie and how it retconned the whole narrative of the first movie.

  • @wespauls9020
    @wespauls9020 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The thing I hate the most besides spamming Jack-Jack and the lame, predictable villain is everyone's regression as a character.
    Violet: Goes from coming out of her shell, showing her full face and even taking the baton when Tony gets nervous asking her out. But then Tony forgets her and she's back to being a depressed sourpuss but with angry outbursts. It's like the first movie never happened.
    Dash: An essential part of defeating the Omnidroid and learning that he doesn't have to be the center of attention, is now Jack-Jack's babysitter who can't do math.
    Bob: Learns that his glory days as the most important guy in the room are done, and gladly embraces being the patriarch of an amazing family of talented people while becoming less self-absorbed. Now he and Helen switched places I guess and he's incredibly jealous of his wife to the point where he acts like a teenager who's upset that his girlfriend is better at baseball than he is.
    Helen: I can't say she's regressed as a character, she just switched roles with Bob. Neat I guess.
    I was expecting this movie to be later in time, like maybe Dash is a freshman Jack-Jack's like a third grader and Violet's in college and we can see how everyone's roles and opinions about being supers have evolved or changed. But nope we literally start right where the first movie leaves off and everyone's given an excuse to be the exact same character they were the first time. No lessons learned, no growth, no changes, just the exact same people we all know and love.
    Also,
    "She normally doesn't drip like this" - Mr. Incredible talking about his daughter to her crush. How did that line make it past everyone?

  • @jranimations5955
    @jranimations5955 2 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    The firs time I watched the incredible 2, I felt like it was empty or lacking something. After watching the first one like 3 times to figure out why (not all at once), I came to realize it was because of the very human like struggles that the characters faced (mainly Bob). For the sequel, Helen just doesn’t do it as much for me. Even though not as intuitive as Bob’s first trail, in the sequel I find him a heck of a lot more entertaining than Helen. And like, 60-70% of the movie is about her. She doesn’t have as much as an emotional hook as bob, and thus makes me feel like I wasted time. That’s the main reason I find the sequel less memorable or thrilling.

    • @PresidentScrooge
      @PresidentScrooge 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Because women can do no bad in modern hollywood. Hence she was written with way too little human elements (aka flaws). There was no deeper conflict for her beside "being a hero vs family" - which was very quickly undermined after the train scene where she calls Bob and is super happy towards him about being a hero.
      Essentially there was almost no conflict to her character. And that little bit that was there was instantly resolved with "you go girl"

  • @luma4902
    @luma4902 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    38:11 the baby Carrier would be a 100% better than the stroller and could bring Jack-Jack to be closer to the fight letting the family fight together again and even win so really affecting how this story could play out a little different and probably better

  • @fluffypinkpandas
    @fluffypinkpandas ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Your editing style of using scenes of the content to express feelings about aspects of the content, reminds mod of Mauler
    Keep up the good work

    • @petery6432
      @petery6432 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He's the Longman of animated movies.
      I'm honestly surprised he hasn't been found and invited for an episode of EFAP.

  • @jaleel7371
    @jaleel7371 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I am amazed.....stunned at the amount of work that you put into this video. You have to be (hands down) the best Animation Editorialist on TH-cam (and I mean that!)!!

  • @JazzyUnderscoreTrumpeter
    @JazzyUnderscoreTrumpeter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    Thank you for this. I've been writing a personal analysis of this movie for awhile and hearing these things helps give me some perspective. The Incredibles is easily one of my favorite movies and the Incredibles 2 was the most disappointing piece of media I've ever encountered. So much potential and they just reset the character development across the board. It didn't look bad, it wasn't awful as a movie, but as the long awaited sequel to such a legitimately fantastic movie? Most disappointing thing I've ever seen. These kinds of videos are extremely cathartic. I watch everything that isn't music on 2x speed so the length of the videos has never bothered me. You do good work and I have distant dreams of someday creating media analysis... things.

    • @ameliawalker1046
      @ameliawalker1046 ปีที่แล้ว

      Please encourage Gaming Magic Thirteen to do this: (please treat this like a letter to him)
      "I've seen some Sonic fans take a solid stab at reviewing Sonic X, yet I believe they're not as in-depth and lengthy as the videos you did on Toy Story 4 (no offence). So I really hope that you could take a good shot at reviewing all 78 episodes both sub and dub or whichever of the two versions suits you -the same way you did the Toy Story 4 videos (again, no offence)."
      "Many Sonic fans could learn loads of things from Gaming Magic 13 in this way! As Sonic would say: “It's the only way to live life without regrets!”🦔
      Amelia Walker

  • @tatersalad76
    @tatersalad76 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I thought it was really weird at how apprehensive Bob was when Mr. Incredible basically became the poster-boy for the superhero era falling

  • @everlastingdragon4520
    @everlastingdragon4520 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I think Helen should have simply pointed out that Violet's powers are the most conductive to protecting Jack-Jack, and afterwards have the family form a plan as to what to do if in a battle and Jack-Jack is with them.

  • @Phantom11718
    @Phantom11718 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Ah yes, the man who, one handed, lifted TRAINS as a workout, fails to punch through metal and gets his butt kicked by a mole man

  • @DoctorPhileasFragg
    @DoctorPhileasFragg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    "If I were to create an incredibly detailed analysis breaking down how amazingly well-written The Incredibles is for 5 hours..."
    DO IT

  • @osmanyousif7849
    @osmanyousif7849 2 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    21:40 - 21:57
    Ironically, there's actually a deleted scene to explain how Lucius/Frozone manages to get there. It was basically a similar scene to scene when the Omni-droid attacks the city and the whole "WHERE'S MY SUPERSUIT?!?!" in the original. Except this time, the audience would get to see Lucius's wife.
    But Brad Bird claims that they chose to take it out because, "A. We stayed away from the big action scene TOO LONG and kill the momentum. And B. We believed that the off-camera-ness of not showing Lucius's wife was meant to be part of the joke."
    OK, so I could understand point B. But with point A, considering what you've pointed out in the past 10 minutes, I doubt any momentum was being killed. The creators could've simply had Lucius witness the attack and trying to get his suit and nothing would have been changed much.
    Edit: I hope in your next parts of your analysis, you bring in the director’s commentary like you did for Toy Story 4 to see if Brad Bird is turning into Josh Cooley.

    • @thefunnestaccount5632
      @thefunnestaccount5632 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      As a person who LOVES running gags. It really is a shame to see that cut out for rather foolish reasons. It would also be another good scene in a terrible movie. At least we still have other drops of incredible in this film to look forward to.

    • @Thomasmemoryscentral
      @Thomasmemoryscentral 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Some people mentioned in his video on toy story 4 (at least one of the parts) that Brad Bird doesnt feel up to creating sequels and this 2018 sequel got made because Disney told him too

    • @osmanyousif7849
      @osmanyousif7849 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Thomasmemoryscentral , oh? So if Disney told him to jump off a bridge, would he do it?

  • @Matt-zu2lu
    @Matt-zu2lu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    My biggest problem with this movie was how the most entertaining part was the b-plot which had barely anything to do with super hero’s

    • @GavinsBazaar313
      @GavinsBazaar313 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      what was the b-plot again?

    • @Matt-zu2lu
      @Matt-zu2lu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@GavinsBazaar313 it was just Mr Incredible taking care of the kids which would’ve worked better a bunch of shorts film

    • @GavinsBazaar313
      @GavinsBazaar313 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Matt-zu2lu ah so basically sorta like in the first film where Helen looked after the kids in a way

    • @Matt-zu2lu
      @Matt-zu2lu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GavinsBazaar313 yeah only it takes up more screen time

    • @GavinsBazaar313
      @GavinsBazaar313 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Matt-zu2lu pretty much yeah

  • @emduquemack7514
    @emduquemack7514 2 ปีที่แล้ว +215

    Something that I believe is worth saying about the kind of "nitpicks" in TS4 is that, yes, movies will often use tricks and cuts to make some things run more smoothly etc etc, BUT doing it constantly non stop absolutely sets a tone on how the inner universe of the movie works, problems, distances and so on start to feel contrived and fake, manufactured, and the stakes feel much lower if things are just all the time edited to "suit" the moments of the movie, its harder to keep tension and investment if there is no real need for the toys to be clever and sneaky as they have their world having to remain hidden from the humans, which clearly was NOT a thing in Ts4, things have never mattered so little, everything was SO in the open it was absolutely jarring, pushing the suspension of disbelief SO far speaks miles about the care and attention put in the movie as well as the lazyness of the script and ALL that attention and care shows in the small details, in which things they are willing to bend or say "dont matter" to the audience, it sets a BLATANT tone when they are willing to change the basic structure of the house, fabrics of the dress, timings to solve problems "magically" on how much effort and care writters are putting into the franchise, and those details PILE UP, and they pile up FAST, a movie is a sum of it's parts and the end result shows how all those little things for SURE affect the world's consistency and immersion as a whole
    I remember a lot felt wrong while watching TS4 in the cinema, asides from the obvious character destruction and those major story points that I hated, but it was a constant feeling through it all, something wrong with the world and pacing but on that one viewing I wasnt able to pin point what it was exactly, not to mention I was distracted with all the other things going horribly wrong, but your video help me notice it was THOSE little "nitpicks" piling up, the botched timing of scenes lasting seconds here and there, the characters and props teleporting around non stop, the cheating at solving issues AND creating sudden conflict, it just PILES UP and it created an experience were things felt artificial and manufactured and weirdly paced and just.. wrong
    Also, kids are as deserving of good smart movies as adults, im sick and tired of people thinking so poorly of childrens media, what is this hate towards kids?? what is this disrespect to animation and family oriented stories? they can be wonderfully writtend and should be damn respected

    • @jeremyusreevu237
      @jeremyusreevu237 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      "Also, kids are as deserving of good smart movies as adults, im sick and tired of people thinking so poorly of childrens media, what is this hate towards kids?? what is this disrespect to animation and family oriented stories? they can be wonderfully writtend and should be damn respected"
      Friggin, PREACH, Em! I 100% agree. Kids deserve to have quality entertainment, and the fact that there are people who think animation is only for kids, and that kids' movies and shows are awful by design is friggin disgusting. If you haven't seen it, I recommend checking out Dumbsville's video, "Why "It's Just a Kid's Movie" Doesn't Work", as it's a pretty effective condemnation of that way of thinking.

    • @margrette5386
      @margrette5386 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The thing that annoyed me the most is how long it took to open a WINDOW and then the Director(?) commenting in the scene where they get the key that "it has to be quick and funny"

    • @diddles3383
      @diddles3383 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      As someone who adores animation, children deserve good stories and animation, screw this whole mentality of 'well its for children so who cares'? Children aren't as dumb as people think, so they shouldn't have to be subjected to dumb media just because they're young.

    • @vengeanceconscious9774
      @vengeanceconscious9774 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      And I’m not reading that. But you get a like 👍

    • @emduquemack7514
      @emduquemack7514 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jeremyusreevu237 oh thank you so much I'll totally check it out! Is something I feel really strongly about

  • @bluebeanie561
    @bluebeanie561 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    They could've give Evelyn's name a small backstory. That she changed her name after her father's death because it's based on a superhero. Or her other gripe with heroes is because her father's declined mental health he can recall perfectly clear about superheroes but not about his children. Or/And their company almost got bankrupt if it weren't for her but her father still praises heroes because Evelyn used heroes technology to invent new technology. So in a way it is the opposite of villain's goal/mentality from the first movie.

  • @garrusvakarian4112
    @garrusvakarian4112 2 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    The writers’ desire for a female-centric lead in Helen is what doomed this movie. Everyone wanted to see the Incredibles kick ass as a family unit, but apparently girl power was more important.

    • @etrangray-mane8610
      @etrangray-mane8610 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Glad to know I wasn't the only one who noticed. You can even see stuff like that in the background with the tv advertisement they have in the second act. "So easy, even he can do it."

  • @mauricesteel4995
    @mauricesteel4995 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Well, in defense of the old suits being able to survive explosions, Bob old suit got slashed, yes, but Edna states it was made from MegaMesh and she was impressed that he managed to open such a large cut into it, so the suit is super resistant, and that cut did send alert Edna to Bob secret job, thats why she called Hellen, because in no way Bob suit got a cut that large just by him doing Normal day2day activities.
    Still unlikely that they managed tl rummnage their suits from all the debris tho.

  • @hotmeelk500
    @hotmeelk500 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    "Just because it's made for kids doesn't mean it has to be made stupid, because kids surely are not dumb"
    Pretty sure I quoted it wrong, but the point still stands ☝️

  • @mariosonic4ever
    @mariosonic4ever 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The Rise of the Underminer video game is the real Incredibles 2.

  • @sonicfan9144
    @sonicfan9144 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    About Violet's New Move, I think there's one slight argument that could be made. While Incredibles 2 picks up immediately after the first movie, the Underminer attack was clearly 3 months after the Parr house blew up, as proven by the fact that when we get to the track meet scene at the end of the first movie, it says "3 Months Later." So maybe, just maybe Violet was practicing that new move during those 3 months.

  • @MA-go7ee
    @MA-go7ee ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The original incredibles existed in a cleverly constructed world that was a satire of super hero comics.
    It's cleverness was all about sending up super hero tropes that we all recognized. Incredibles 2 had none of that.

    • @eatatjoes6751
      @eatatjoes6751 ปีที่แล้ว

      The satire could have worked if it was "Incredibles in the age of accepted superheroes," or something where they're trying to live their life while giant monsters or something attacked - but no. This is The Incredibles II now.

  • @kmrd0612
    @kmrd0612 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Man you are what keeps me sane when people tell me to stop overanalyzing movies, im not overthinking it, im just thinking

  • @spitfire5528
    @spitfire5528 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I, too, had a really big issue with what they did to the Underminer in this movie. I really thought he would’ve had a bigger part in this movie, working alongside the main villain. Oh how wrong I was. The very beginning let me down significantly, and know what it was really supposed to be like, because I’ve played the Rise Of The Underminer video game as a kid. I still love playing it to this day. All those robots and drills destroying the city was just awesome. And when I saw this movie, expecting to see what I saw in the game, I had never felt so unsatisfied in all of my life. It destroyed what I loved about the Underminer from my childhood. Let’s face it people; the game did it better than this film did

  • @EugenioScamardella
    @EugenioScamardella 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    1) Your videos are just great. Don't give an inch of credit to those who complain about the lenght.
    2) Just by the juxtaposition of the scenes from the original movie and the scenes from the sequel makes me appreciate the huge work Pixar animators but in the original 2004 movie. It was the first time they made a movie centered only on a human cast in a human world, it was not an easy task, especially without falling into the uncanny valley and giving us an animation doomed to age very quickly. The simple idea of giving the characters a stylized and very 60s design was genius, but even looking at the roughly designed (for today's standards, of course) background characters you can tell what this movie meant for Pixar. It felt special, something both classic and new (classic comic-book superhero aesthetics combined with CGI, in the 2000s, not even a decade after Toy Story). The Incredibles has been an important part of my childhood. I was just a toddler when this movie came out: I was already able to walk on my own, but I wasn't a talkative child, not at all. But I was able to quote The Incredibles at the age of 2. I loved to pretend to be Edna by saying "Edna Mode" to the toilet paper holder, pretendig it was her vocal recognition microphone. I also loved to quote other movies of that period, like Lilo and Stitch or Finding Nemo. I can say those movies helped me to be more fluent in talking in general.
    "The Incredibles" and "Ratatouille" are Pixar's best, let's face it. There's a general feel of both familiar and new in the characters, in the story, in the ambiance and in the mood that you can't help but feel invested in it. The way the dialogues are paced and the jokes are delivered makes you perfectly understand what Bird means when he declares that animation ISN'T a genre, but a medium, a technique. And most of all, it's not a genre specifically intended for kids. The Incredibles and Ratatouille just feel like any other "adult" (hate the use of these adjectives while describing movies, but I have to use them in this context) movie.
    This sequel, just feels... average. The character design doesn't have the freshness or the originality of the first movie, since 14 years passed and now it's a standard. But not just for this. The first movie, indeed, knew how to pay homage to classic superhero comic-books without looking grotesque or too much over the top. This one does. And yes, I'm talking about the new superheroes' character design. They just look out of place and... wrong.
    The pacing and the dialogues, let alone their actual content (that you just analyzed masterfully, so I'm not going to add anything), don't feel like they came from a Brad Bird movie. Even the jokes are quiet lame and with a slower sense of timing, as if they wanted to make sure the kids got them before moving forward.

  • @bridgerhibbert2993
    @bridgerhibbert2993 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    36:05 - The most unexpected moment, but it had me laughing my head off because of how perfectly relevant it was both as a visual to tie to the movies you were discussing as well as the relevancy to the conversation that was actually being discussed.
    Bravo.
    👏👏👏