How Marvel Destroyed Itself
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ค. 2024
- When Marvel's "Avengers: Endgame" hit theaters in 2019, it was the climax of a decade-long saga. But with the departure of iconic heroes like Iron Man and Captain America, the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) faced a new challenge. Despite releasing 10 movies and 10 miniseries in three years, fans are left wondering: why really happened to Marvel?
A video essay on the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU)
Produced by Ong Ye Feng
Written by Emily McGinn
Narrated by Caitie McCollow
Edited by Dushyant Singh - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
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Talk about the real reason it is failing
THE UNWANTED MSHEU FEMINAZI FORCED ADDTITIVES IN EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR SPIDER MAN
peak was caption america CIVIL WAR after then it all went south
@@tricybriky3881you mean went down unda to
The fall of Disney. Or maybe Star Wars, Legend vs Canon.
It flopped because they abandoned their core fans for a fan base that has zero interest in going to the movies .
straight to the point!
Yes, and the second group have way more people. You can see quantity over quality in this area as well
This
Yep. Started calling us “toxic “
Was Kang a Caucasian?
That's just it. "Endgame" felt like the end. What comes next when you're ending your biggest heroes? Now it feels like... Finishing up the side quests and collecting tokens to get 100% completion.
There was also a reason why it was called Endgame
Ironman and capt America were b list marvel heroes 20 years ago.
They have no excuse for fumbling everything after they bought the rights from the fox movjes
Well said
@@teejayman215 Regardless, when the MCU started they made Iron Man, Captain America and Thor their big names (not being able to use Spider-man, X-Men and F4), retire them and you leave us with...
Thor... Kinda? A "new" CA in Falcon? We have a Spider-man but most ot his story/arc has been scribbled into the margins so... Who do we latch onto? They bungled the transition by not giving us anyone to be behind.
Now they need to basically start over and build to a new climax. That's why I never understood why people expected Avengers type numbers. Nope we are back to 400M-800M box office while they build to a new climax.
Also, they didn't handle Thor correctly. He should have been on the same level of Iron Man and Capt. America. The 3 characters had their own series of films.
So did Thor...?
yes i know. thor was one of the 3. :)
I honestly prefer a more serious thor compared to the parody of himself they made out of him.
The dark world failed because it had a weak villain, but i liked it better than ragnarok or love and thunder.
I mean if you made love and thunder into a serious film that didn’t crap out mindless jokes every 5mins it would have been epic.
1000% in agreement!
@@patrickprucha5522 you guys forget about the Hulk. Hulk is one of the originals, in the comics he comes first then captain America he deserved better
They messed up when they decided we needed to watch a tv show to understand the story of a movie.
I don't wanna do homework before watching a movie. I just skip the movie
The tv shows are amazing, Loki is absolutely brilliant, season 2 didn't hit but season 1 was a master piece. Wanda vision was equally as brilliant and well made..
To be honest season 1 was good, but did lack action, but the build up to the end was really well done and set up the second season
season 2 was good, but it was a bit too much at times, but gave us a decisive ending for Loki's story...
Avengers would have been fine if they had worked on other movies like
1 - not making a proper plan Black Panther 2
2 - why was Thor seeming more like a secondary character in his movie, why is Jane a better Thor than Thor for certain parts of that movie
3 - the Marvels, why was the villain so silly
4 - etc... etc...
No true evil villains
Heroes are made goofy or stupid at random so others can stand out
Some heroes are made too perfect so there is no way to write an actual threat
Avengers 1 - Save the world - from Loki and Alien Invasion
Avengers 2 - Save the world - from Ultron and Machines
Avengers 3 Infinity War - Save the Universe - from Thanos and his children
Avengers 4 End Game - Time Travel - save the universe - from Thanos and his children
Avengers Infinity War and Endgame are basically just one large movie with two parts...
but where do you go from there...
1 - Save the world ---> Save the universe ---> Save the multiverse??
2 - Thor is looking more senile than Odin, Hulk is just chilling, Captain America retired, Iron Man retired, Black Widow and Hawk Eye are regular people, they are not built for universal saving, Guardians is more or less at their end game...
3 - Why did they not start prepping other movies or investing in another hit like Iron Man was... companies take risks, hit big... and forget that over time risks must always be taken, or eventually you get left with nothing as most progress will get caught up to or surpassed if you do not keep pushing...
@@thearmadillo2154no
Some of the shows are decent, Loki is honestly really good and I liked WandaVision. But I agree, they just kept making more and more shows and not all of them were great. I didn’t watch the marvels because I never had an interest in ms marvel. Maybe if it was a movie under two hours but not a whole season
Only one word to describe the downfall of Marvel... "Greed". Greedy shareholders wanting more profit, a greedy streaming platform pushing for more content and greedy viewers wanting the next big thing. Sadly, it seems Kevin Feige is either compliant in the poor output or too weak to stop it.
I don't think greed is a proper word, it's them trying to push more and more leftist propaganda that lead them to this downward spiral
this
Also I think after Endgame, think Marvel just expected fans to be as devoted as before just by the brand name
There is no downfall of marvel
@@Spaghetti42ono fr. People are saying marvel is dying but watch Deadpool 3 make a billion dollars. Watch Spider-Man 4 make a billion dollars. Watch the next two avengers movies make a billion dollars😭😭
Disney is worse than Thanos. Thanos at least left half of the universe but disney is actually destroying the whole MCU.
Well played!
Lets admit it, it was the shows, the people who watched only the movies felt left behind, when Quantumania released a lot of people in theater were like "Wait, Loki is alive?" after the post credit scene
stopped watching marvel after endgame because that was the best ending we could have asked for. Everything after endgame was trash, and even things before endgame were trash (captain marvel in particular). And looking at disney's internal politics, it's no surprise why. "Actively shun white people from being chosen for roles just because they're white" yeah no. That's just the tip of the iceberg. Marvel is dead because disney killed it.
Wokeness destroyed Marvel. Just say it
What does that even mean?
@@blammers It means nobody cares about Marvel pushing gays, girl bosses, and blacks as characters down our throats
@@blammers- It means putting *image* (such as minorities and feminism) as more important than story and dialogue.
@@blammers It means they guy is just a Trump fan and blames everything on woke rather than have the intelligence to think about things properly.
@@_Clivey The only people who aren't thinking about things properly are the woke crowd. It's hiring people on the basis of gender, race, and sexuality instead of merit. Activists are writing these scripts today, not film writers. There is nothing subtle about it. Their work is driven by their identity politics and messaging.
Bro blame it on Disney…they rushed marvel
If it wasn't disney none of the good movies would even exist either. Yeah they messed it up now but back then they made it better
@@RyzenX12 yeah marvel is still great so idk what all the fuss is about
They rushed? Rushed! They made 10 damn movies a year when most stories can be told in a single film or longer one's in a trilogy.
@@Ethanj-qo2hgAre you speaking of Thor 5? Ant-man 3? Or Marvels? Maybe Invasion series?
@@LegsON I liked secret invasion and enjoyed the marvels…I also enjoyed Thor love and thunder but it just felt like the opposite of serious
Good video! Finally some truth
No character development. No connections between characters. No central villain. No coherent direction or story
Marvel in trouble
This is a new saga, you have to wait for it. It was in Infinity war were they brought the heroer together. So that means that we will see it in Avengers 5. And there is a central villain, Kang. And in Avengers 5 we will know about him more.
The Infinity saga took years to end, so it will also take years for the new saga
@@ihavenoname-qm8nr Couple differences. One, The Avengers came out in 2012, just four years after Ironman. They spent the next 7 years building all the relationships to culminate in Endgame in 2019.
If we are lucky, Avengers 5 will come out in 2026, a full 7 years after the Multiverse Saga began in 2019!!! Secret Wars is projected to release the following year in 2027. Are expected to believe the MCU can build enough wonderful relationships and story lines in ONE YEAR to make Secret Wars worth watching? No chance. Or do they want us to wait another 7 years til 2033? That’s not happening either
Which bring us to point number two. The Infinity Saga was very simple and focused in beginning. Three main heroes - Ironman, Captain America, Thor. Three side heroes - Hulk, Black Widow, Hawkeye. That’s it. And we cared about them!! They mattered to us.
The Avengers then brought them together, and we followed them with CARING through Endgame
Quite frankly, the Multiverse Saga has god knows how many characters, and we don’t care about hardly any of them. The same emotional connections have NOT been built
Do we care about She-Hulk, Echo, Gaia, America Chavez, etc like any of the Eternals like we did about Ironman, Cap, etc? No
No one like Captain Marvel. Falcon does not remotely fill Caps boots. Dr Strange is cold and unrelatable. Etc
The only solid characters we care about are Spiderman and Shang Chi. But that’s just not enough
MCU has failed since Endgame. Big time. And I don’t think they know how to fix it.
There is character development
@@ihavenoname-qm8nr Avengers happened 4 years into Infinity Saga, and we really cared about central characters already. Then they took 7 years to develop relationships and build to Endgame. It was epic cause we cared about characters and relationships
If Avengers 5 comes out in 2026 as projected, it will already be 7 years into Multiverse Saga and we barely care about any of these characters. Spidey? Not much more. And how are we supposed to build connection across 60 characters?
And then Secret Wars is scheduled to come out just one year later in 2027. There’s no time to build relationships amongst characters, not for us to develop much caring for them
This is all a failed strategy
@@AndrewDukes with who? Where? What universe? (Haha see what I did there?)
It's like they put all of their energy into the Infinity saga and ended up fatiguing since.
It doesn't help that their best guys, Stan and Chadwick, have all lost their lives.
Now they just want a quick and easy buck and couldn't be bothered to put in any work.
Seems like it from the outside, and they weren't sure what to do after defeating Thanos.
@@cinelumi Its a new saga, so it will take time. You said in the video that they assembled in the avengers movie. Right now we only have movies/shows about 1 character, sometimes more. And in Avengers 5 they will assemble again and we will know more about Kang. You cant just expect to have everyone introduced in the very first movie of the new saga.
@@ihavenoname-qm8nrThis “New Saga” has been going on for 6 years now, since Endgame came out.
@@DougieYT Oh my god, I keep forgetting that Avengers Endgame is old. But still, they are introducing new characters, there were/ are many projects and like I said, they will assemble in they will definetely assemble in Avengers 5 just like in the first movie. And now there will be "Deadpool and Wolverine" next and if you saw the trailer then you should know that it starts to connect something.
@@ihavenoname-qm8nr I have hopes for Deadpool and Wolverine since they both have been established prior in their own franchises, so we’ll see.
It's not surprising. They spent years and multiple movies to build everything up to a finale. The finale happened.
That wasn’t the finale of the avengers.
Avengers Secret Wars is supposed to be better than endgame. 5 hour film across 2 movies. Maybe off earth every possibility. And also the finale of the Avengers and the Multiverse Saga.
Correction. How Disney killed Marvel.
No ts not like Disney got marvel 3 years ago...
now they killing the star wars
Thank you for giving Shang Chi credit for being a solid movie. I’ve been waiting for something to be connected to him. Moon Knight also was a great character with a cool backstory. They still haven’t shown us any connection to the bigger MCU smh
I can’t wait for dead pool to clean up the timeline again
Needs to erase half of phase 4-5. Secret Invasion could have been a 2-3 movie arc. Should have been named Fury. Wasting a chance at a real story
At least we get Secret Wars. Way to end the Multiverse Saga.
Think Chadwick Boseman would have been great as the leader for the current and upcoming phases. Black panther would have been a solid leader. Sadly he passed away. Maybe he and dr strange both being the leaders and having conflicting ideas like Ironman and captain America.
Are you for real? Guy literally died after the movie…
@@LautaroTessi yeah I know he passed away. that's why I was saying he would of been a good lead for the new phases.
@@LautaroTessiare you illiterate?
And it's not Dr. Stranger it's Dr. Strange. You are obviously clueless because you don't even know that Chadwick Boseman died. That's why you don't see the Black Panther character in Marvel movies anymore. What a Marvel fan you are.
@@Charles-um5hd Dude, he knows the guy died. He said his character WOULD HAVE been great as the leader. Meaning if the actor hadn't died. This is not tough stuff to parse.
Either the MCU should’ve ended with Endgame or the only good movies that came after it (example no way home and guardians 3)
So all the movies and shows? Because there’s only a few bad ones
No, most of them are bad@@deadpooldan9862
ya
Guardians 3 was trash
@@truelight2097 WHAT
"The strongest steel is forged by the fires of hell. It is pounded and struck repeatedly before it's plunged back into the molten fire."
Steve Rogers and Tony Stark were forged, as were many other MCU characters, that's what made us invest in their stories. We need to see the other characters evolve, not just come already developed and formed. We want to see their hearts.
Marvel will never reach the highs of Endgame, but with good management Marvel could still have produced great stories for years to come. Unfortunately, it seems that ever since Endgame, Marvel's been determined to tear down the great universe they once created.
Not marvel disney
I don’t see how this is true when they’re introducing new characters that are gonna be in future movies and shows
@@CamPlays355 Well, Marvel is owned by Disney ever since they bought it in 2009.
@@deadpooldan9862 Yeah, they indeed are introducing new characters, but there's only one problem. Do you want to know what's the problem? Well, the new characters are bland as fuck. I mean I'm not sure if I can name even one interesting post-endgame character.
@@UnknownUser22553 ummmmm that’s what I said man your comment made it sound like marvel has unlimited freedom to make decisions but because of Disney they weren’t able to make the right calls I don’t blame marvel for all this I blame the previous Disney CEO who practically forced Kevin feigue to make tv shows
that thumbnail is awesome!
Further proof that fans understand how how representation works better than Disney/Marvel Studios.
Yo Myles!
Every story has to end and this one ended with Endgame.
As a great man once said, "Part of the journey is the end."
Moonknight, wandavision, hawkeye, deadpool, black widow, shang chi, loki, etc. MCU has many many promising characters on their hands.
Wokeness killed marvel.
nah, people got bored consuming same product as time goes by. that’s the law of nature..
You can have inclusivity and still be good. The problem is marvel wrote it horribly which ends up backfiring in the minorities they try to represent which hurt them in the future. Marvel just doesn’t know how to make good movies these days it seems. Their bad inclusivity is just one problem of many that marvel put on themselves
Robert Downey Jr. is the reason for the MCU's rise and fall.
So many fans are there like myself were just excited to see new stories and heroes after endgame. If they had provided the same powerful backstory and strength to the characters(and not destroy already loved characters like thor, dr strange, fury etc) people would've still enjoyed it. Even if they somehow bring back tony I'm afraid they will make him do stupid stuff. That's what they did to so many characters.
The problem with Hawkeye is that nobody believes he can pull of the feats he's pulling off. He's just human. Tony Stark should've upgraded his suit so he becomes a bit more interesting
That's the problem tho, if Tony stepped in upgrading everybody's gimmick then there wouldn't be a point for them to develop on their own, that's why Peter had to lose the suit in NWH, he needed to earn his own suit, his own worth, narratively and as a character
Are you saying he's not realistic really dude
You miss the wokeness of MCU
Bro doesnt wanna get into any problems
Do you know what's annoying? When critics see Marvel projects fail, they blame Disney. When X-Men '97 succeed, they don't believe it's Disney's doing.
The Marvel Fandom > MCU when it comes to being in shambles😂
Feminism destroyed Marval
i usually hate these videos cause most of them are just using the opportunity to gain views/likes from haters or people who are saturated of the MCU, but damn this one gained my heart, since the clips quality, text and editing till the content explain everything that happened to the dawn of Marvel Studios as a franchise itself… CONGRATS!
MCU Infinity Saga was a HUGE and VERY special part of me and so many others, the happier moments of my life were pre-opening of event films like Infinity War, Endgame and No Way Home, and it's so sad for a fan like me seeing people blaming MCU for other movies in cinema being bad these days, i hope they rise again, and create so many other special moments like we had in 2018, 19 and 21. ❤️🙏🏻
It was ruined because they hired a bunch of lousy writers.
The only problem with any creative project nowadays is that they put agenda before quality.
Nicely made video. Loved the music mixing you did during the whole presentation.
End Game was truly the End Game
Tbh it just feels like we’re in a Filler Saga we had some GREAT stuff these last few years but The Avengers Era of Marvel is definitely over most ppl are just waiting for The X-men & Fantastic Four to get introduced and take charge once again of The Marvel Universe just like in the comics
Their recent show X-men 97 was incredible, Deadpool & Wolverine looks like a big hit, and the upcoming Fantastic Four & Daredevil & Xmen Projects are gaining a lot of attention
It’s clear The MCU needs to stray away from The Avengers and focus more on the good characters they got back
The MCU is definitely on a decline with some hits but it’s def far from dead especially when they didn’t even introduced their best characters yet aside from Spider-Man
This.
im right with you buddy im planing to watch deadpool and wolverine with my mom soon
Thank you algorithm for showing me this video 👏🏻👏🏻 great content and I 100% agree
The quality of the films has also been very poor too!
No they haven’t
My exact thoughts!!!! I also believe that the big down fall is related to the death of Stan Lee
Started when Kirby died
A few things caused the marvel downfall.
1. Endgame felt like the end
2. The buffet strategy: as fiege said -phase 4 would be like a buffet where you can pick and choose what you want to follow. This made phase 4 aimless. After phase 4 no one knew what marvel was leading up to. There just was no direction.
3. Hubris - with all the success they had a “we can do no wrong” and just kept green lighting more and more (more than doubling their release) without thinking of how to connect it all.
4. Then a big one is bad luck. The death of Chadwick Boseman, Jonathan majors being found guilty. As well as what ever other things came up.
5. Even up to endgame marvel movies felt like an event. Now it’s just another thing. They would blame it on superhero fatigue, but it’s mainly because nothing seems connected and none of it feels like it’s leading up to something big.
Which is the biggest problem, none of it felt like it was leading anywhere
Kind of like they saw how they over looked the shows (the Netflix shows, agents of shield, etc) and went “it worked last time, let’s have the movies and shows overlook themselves”
I wish they stuck with the original ending for quantum mania - the one where scott is trapped in the quantum realm and the signal in Shang chi is him
Spiderman can be the next gen leader but they screw it
Another issue is convenience in storytelling and the same formula. People eventually got tired
Reality is, a lot could've been saved by slowing down just a bit and developing more of a plan. I'd have some of it entirely, like the Loki Series- The whole TVA/Variants thing wasn't really... anything, much as there are cool moments, I mean, it had Tom Hiddleston in it. Problem there is, it undercut's Loki's death in Endgame pretty much immediately after Endgame. And I love Oscar Isaacs too, but Moon Knight was a HARD sell for a series, so I'd likely be cutting that as well.
Start with the "epilogue" movies. such as No Way Home, Falcon and Winter Soldier, Wakanda Forever (DON'T just undo the stuff done in the first movie), Thor L&T (Take Movie Seriously), WandaVision finale goes straight to Multiverse of Madness, finish up with Incredible Hulk movie with Genius Hulk realizing how badly the world needs the Avengers reformed, romance with Betsy Ross, conflict with Thunderbolt Ross (foreshadow Thunderbolts here, too), and introduce Jenn (y'know, this time like they want audiences to be excited about her getting her own series).
Essentially from here, you start splitting the MCU into "regions" from Street to Cosmic level with little overlap. Run concurrent series on Disney Plus. For Ms. Marvel and the next gen, you move over to Young Avengers and set them to band up, maybe even making it the West Coast Avengers.
I’m gonna come back to this video once I’ve finished watching all the new phase 4 shows and movies and rank them wether they should even had been made or not including characters, but great video bro
Thanks for the support! I believe some characters make sense, while others do feel like filler or serve not much purpose, even to their own arcs
Very well said and documented.
I literally couldn't hold back tears when Spiderman vanished, and then when Iron Man died. Very well done in those films!
I agree. I hope Deadpool 3 is good and those reshoots for Brave New World are worth it. Otherwise… it’s gonna be another problem. Either way, I’d keep my expectations low.
Anyways… this video is quite well-detailed! Great video
Fingers crossed!
We have "Deadpool & Wolverine" coming out in less than 2 months now being a sequel to the 20th Century Fox Deadpool movies
I’m nervous of that being a disappointment
@@YooperHatesOhioState You checked out the reception of the previous Deadpool movies let alone watched them?
@@austinmichael3086 I’ve seen both movies
@@YooperHatesOhioState what did you think of them?
@@austinmichael3086 love both and have em on dvd. My favorite non Spider-Man marvel movies other than infinity war and endgame
Captain America turned into Joe Biden?
Dude I had that thought too.
Whoa
THEY WENT WOKE THATS WHY LMAOOO
Turning MCU to * M She U* is the main reason to become flop .
The Marvel Cinematic Universe has already lost their steam after the death of Stan Lee. In fact, both Avengers: Endgame and Spider-Man: Far From Home marks the end of golden age era of the MCU. Although, some of the aftermaths like Shang-Chi and the Legends of the Ten Rings, Spider-Man: No Way Home, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 are really good and the best films of the silver age era of the MCU in my opinion. Black Widow is a spinoff/prequel that took place between Captain America: Civil War and Avengers: Infinity Wars. I don’t feel too hyped and excited Marvel movies anymore even though Deadpool and Wolverine is the only Marvel I’m more interested in seeing.
Quantity over quality, That's all it is.. Well said
The most accurate observation I've seen. Well-done
Marvel lost, when they started to humiliate actors, who worked hard for them (Chris Hemsworth) & celebrated actors who just worked for money (Brie Larson)... Hemsworth who exercised more & more to act as Thor, & got humiliated in his own movie... Whereas Brie Larson, who can't even ready to raise her body weight a little bit, to look fit as Captain Marvel in her own movie... But, she was consistently shown strong... She didn't even ready to voice her character in What If series...
Why not X-Force; X-Factor; Silver Surfer; World Breaker Hulk; 8th Day Juggernaut; Sinister....and countless other one off series that lead into sequels.😎
I didn't realise how perfectly polarizing the arc of Iron Man & Captain America was until this.
Iron Man - Irresponsible playboy billionaire to Selfless Sacrifice
Captain America - Ready to sacrifice to Living some of that life
Disney+ seemed to help, at least with the Loki series, but a lot of this is due to Marvel's COVID excuses, even after the pandemic was over. We were getting three or four movies each year, and now we're down to one every year or two years. They need to start putting the work back in.
I don't think something like the Infinity Saga will ever happen again. There was so much that had to go right beyond just the writing. With the conclusion in Endgame people felt that as the end. Everything after has been chasing a dream that has already been fulfilled. And the thing about chasing dreams is, if you are chasing then the magic is lost.
No nothing like the infinity saga will ever happen again now it’s the multiverse saga get your head out of the past!!!!
I saw this thing coming when I left the theaters after watching Endgame
Sure you did
That was the most brilliant take that I've seen thus far, on why Marvel has lost its mojo. Rightly said, quantity over quality. Marvel, what happened? Stop milking cows and get your head back in the game.
Wow that was very engaging............ Thank you !! will subscribe
this video is so well done!!! i loved it :)
Thanks for the support!
every naruto needs a sasuke, as a goku needs a vegeta, and a batman needs a superman.
The greatest thing with steve and tony is that as their story progressed they both took on characteristic traits of each other through either, consistent trauma and a tremendous amount of weight on his conscious (tony stark) or by slowly learning about the new world, and learning through history that no matter how much order and patriotism and just for doing whats right and by the book, the evil kept spreading, slithering its way into every crack and corner of what he thought was right and committing atrocities behind closed doors, no one can be trusted anymore (Steve).
And it all came to a big climax when tony, the selfish lone wolf who says fuck authority became a government lap dog and bowed down to authority, while steve rogers, the soldier who is all about following orders, became the rogue.
It all finally comes full circle when tony does what steve always wanted to do since movie 1, sacrifice himself for the greater good and kills thanos. And steve does what tony always wants to do, whatever the fuck he wants, and steve does the selfish move of being with peggy, knowing damn well he shouldve went back to his timeline and lead the avengers and kept the order.
Kang was in the Loki series, the problem is that the actor has now been kicked out of working with marvel. The rest of the issues come from rushing and trying to be “inclusive”
MCU started in 2008,, it's been fighting terminal cancer ever since Phase 2 an officially died truly after this film
Have you seen Loki? Best version of Kang. Follows a lot of your points including the last one.
Jonathan Majors as Kang was so good and S1 of Loki too, but sadly, that S2 was a trash especially the final. Marvel kill Loki again by stuck him in a tree, because of another strong woman to show SJW propaganda
@@lilokiola9525 ???? I'm Republican but the whole point was that the show was about Loki.
He is the strongest character for making that sacrifice. I can't imagine choosing to be stuck somewhere to save everyone else. That was one of the strongest things he could have possibly done.
@@theAstarrrIm so confused on what he meant lol
I got a marvel mobile game ad when I clicked on this video…
This was amazing!! And don't forget that the new phases were all rushed instead of milking Endgame for the next couple of year while they silently plan the new phases with as much passion and detail as the 1st phases.
One is not recast TChalla after the character make a over a billion... Recast was a no Brainer
The fans were begging Marvel to not recast Tchalla and are still glad they didn’t so clearly that wasn’t Marvel’s fault
@@DoomBlazeryeah right, even more wanted a recast. Nobody wants iron heart as his replacement. Literally one of the most hated new heroes😂
@@DoomBlazerI am a huge fan. Keep of the good work 🎉
I think Deadpool & Wolverine has bought back the Marvel factor and it feels like the film will catapult the MCU in the right direction.
I think that people are forgetting that Marvel is about to launch its most popular team in live action. I think that it will light the fire under a lot of people again. Just please do it right.
The way Marvel Studios and Disny is handling Deadpool3 actually just shows how bad it is imo.
Lgan was the PERFECT ending to Hugh Jackman's Wolverine. I don't care if it is an alternative version from a different timeline. It shows that the only trick they have up theur sleeve is reliance on popular characters. No Way Home hyped up the 3 spidermen but honestly beyond that... the movie wasn't well made. It just showed blind reliance on nostalgia and character they know have succeeded.
Same goes for Dr. Strange 2. They just hyped up Prof X and the Fantastic 4 joining but what did they do to tie in the universes besides simply showing their faces? It's just lazy writing.
It has to go well just because they're bringing in popular teams?
Well look what Disney did to Star Wars.
You honestly think they won't do the same when it's already happening?
Iron Heart being the official heir to Tony Stark,
Shuri succeeding T'Challa,
pure female "Young Avengers" and all that BS.
Don't be surprised when they have a transexual black Kitty physically overpowering Juggernaut.
Very good video. Thank you
IMO it boils down to 3 things:
1. Superhero fatigue. It's real. You can only watch so many of these movies without needing to see something different (aka Logan, Deadpool). Remember it's not just Marvel but DC that contributes to that fatigue.
2. Greed. Disney just pumped out too much, too fast with lower quality. Very few of their narratives are compelling. Very few of the newer characters are compelling. I've really only enjoyed No Way Home and Guardians 3 post-Endgame. And I'm not a Disney+ subscriber and find too many references in the movies that tie back to the miniseries that I didn't see, so there are challenges in understanding what's actually going on. This is all due to Disney's greed in trying to pump out content without taking the time to make sure it's good content.
3. The death of Chadwick really hurt. He was in a prime position to be The Man going forward with Thor (greater universe) and Spider Man (smaller, Earth-bound tales) filling in gaps. Wakanda could have been established as a constant base of operations and allowed various characters to interact. I don't know if that would have been the plan or not but there's definitely a power vacuum in the Marvel universe right now and NONE of the existing characters seem to have the personality to do it. Who is going to step up? Ant Man? Thor, who already turned down leadership? Captain Marvel, who few like? Spider Man, who still acts like a kid? Chadwick would have been the natural, logical choice and the MCU has yet to work around his absence.
You completely missed the major issue of wokeness killing the MCU
They want to program kids with nonsense beliefs.
They know
But they dont want to say the truth
CORE FANS DONT WANT SIDES LEADING
AND FEMINAZI BULLSHT
The word “woke” at this point is just meaningless, due to how much people constantly shout it without stopping at all, and overusing the word “woke” doesn’t make you intelligent, it’s just make you look like immature grifters, yeah, Phase 4 is somewhat garbage, but most of these Phase 4 movie are box office success, also, Phase 5 flopping was really due to people trying to get back to pre-pandemic cinema culture rather than the so-called “wokeness”
Because its not a weakness. As the comment above shows ("they want to program our Kids with nonsense belief") - we NEED shows to constantly try to change the stupidity in peoples minds. Do you know what are the nonsense beliefs? That a woman cant be a strong character and leader and we cant have a marvels movie. That we can have equality with a black leading the group in the form of captain América.
Yes, we need the wokeness. World is stupid right now.
I don’t believe that’s the problem, I knew someone was gonna make that statement here somewhere, if you recall ‘wokeness’ as you call it, side note anyone who uses the word wokeness unironically is more of a meme than anything else, was already in the mcu leading up to and in endgame. The real problems are the lack of connectivity between the projects and a lack of an underlying source driving the narrative forward between the movies, being Thanos. Kang isn’t a great overarching antagonist as his character by design loses constantly, the real threat of his character is that there are infinite variants of him so no matter how many are stopped/killed, more just show up. On paper this is a great idea for an overarching threat but in practice in movie format it is kinda terrible because it takes all the gravity out of his appearances. Viewers now just think the next time they see a kang variant, “oh, will this one get killed by hyper advanced ants too?” Thanos was an extremely intimidating and somewhat relatable villain, you didn’t necessarily agree with his methods but you understood where he was coming from and could sympathize with him. Kang feels kinda one dimensional in comparison. They really shoulda made doctor doom be the overarching enemy for the 3 phases post phase 3.
Marvel Then:- Well Written Stories & Characters!
Marvel Now:- Representation & Politics
Some influencers and "fans" focus too much on politics and representation rather than the actual story. It's sad.
Fans are gaslit into riding the hate train because certain influencers have their own hate filled agendas.
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I don’t think Representation is the ultimate issue. They had good movies when representing certain groups of people, like Wanda’s show, Shang Chi’s movie, Falcon and The Winter Soldier, Phastos’ being gay in Eternals, both Black Panther movies, All of Monica, Wong, Nick Fury, and War Machine’s appearances, etc. I think the real issues are the writing and also not connecting the movies to each other like they did with everything before Endgame. The MCU hasn’t been too bad, but we as fans have no idea where the MCU is headed because none of these shows or movies connect to each other (as good as most of them are). Representation is not what’s causing the MCU to be a little more mediocre than usual. It’s the least of the franchise’s problems.
@@lordvoldemort5725 Careful they might delete your. Comment for spitting facts
@@lordvoldemort5725 they cut down RDJ cameo from blackwidow movie because they can't Have a male Avenger in a solo female avenger film.
This just proves politics are ruining mcu
Great vid.
At some point we may have to speak about MCU using the most compelling characters already.
So now although stories can be told by the characters who are left.
Those stories will possibly be less interesting.
Interesting take. Not a huge comic book fan, I didn’t quite understand the individuals but appreciated them as an ensemble.
I do think that we aren’t taking into account the pandemic and the importance and prioritization Chapek placed on streaming and Disney+ to continue the narrative.
All of this and, they went woke.
They introduced Kang in the season 1 of Loki and their problem about Kang’s actor is that he committed crimes or sum shi
Great video!
Just an amazing video
The MCU went downhill for these reasons. We lost our symbols for the MCU: Iron Man and Cap. Thor couldn't drive the ship by himself. Also, we lost Chadwick Boseman, our Black Panther. Captain Marvel would have been a great leader. Disney+ took away the wow factor of the MCU being an eventful cinematic experience. Marvel became "woke" with no direction, and the MCU refuses to introduce new blood like Shang-Chi and Daredevil as their leads.
With Disney they went Woke...
Brilliant Documentary on this, Captain America civil war is what caused the infighting that ruins a lot of relationships.
cuz the main actors become expensive and they can’t afford it anymore to retain the character 😂
Lets be honest, the MCU should have ended at endgame.
They probably didn't have a plan as clear as Infinity Saga post-Engame.
When Disney decided to become a streaming service instead of just putting it on Netflix... that's the day Marvel died 😢
Nah we would’ve never had great stuff like Loki, Moon Knight, or X-men 97
What does streaming service have to do with that??? And why would Disney put their shows on Netflix when they have a whole library of their own?????
The biggest letdown I have from the MCU is as you mentioned “ quantity over quality “.
Once you kill off or age out your anchor characters, you have to develop the supporting characters further like you did with Falcon and Winter Soldier.
Hard to believe it's been five years since endgame.
Post Endgame MCU is now lost in an universe of Social Justice Warrior-ing and being worried about woman power, instead of just relying on its decades old source materials for dramatic and uplifting stories. The Marvels' is the perfect example, as well as Shang-chi and the Eternals. Pushing SJW agendas instead of telling good stories.
It all flopped because they pandered to a minority audience thinking they would still be great because this is what the 'audience' demanded,..WRONG!! and now marvel reaps what it sow's.
How did they pander to a minority audience?
@@deadpooldan9862 If you don't then then you really shouldnt be here.....
@@Gamer-dude247 why? Don’t like the truth?
@@deadpooldan9862 No, it's just i never argue with an idiot as they bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience....
@@Gamer-dude247 I’m the one who actually knows what he’s talking about, so who’s the idiot here?
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Everybody knew the Falcon could never fill Steve’s boots, where would he find the strength to hurl the shield, he had no special serum. And who else has the genius of Tony Stark.
You forgot one vital part: THEY WENT WOKE!!!!
That word has lost all meaning in this endless debate of politics, you can’t just call something woke and be took seriously when trying to make a point unless you’re skilled enough to define into your own terms. Politically the issue isn’t “wokeness” but rather performative tokenism, it’s stagnation masquerading as progression.
they make almost evreyone gay, they gender swap characters from the comics, they make almost all the male superheroes act dumb to make the female supers look tough while at the same time making them act manly, and all those things have to do with wokeness
and lets be honest, it is a problem.
poeple go see movies for their story and to see how the hero starts out, and progresses.
NOT to be lectured at
anything else KEVIN?
@@israeljones6028name more than 6 characters who are gay
In other words... wokeness. That's how Marvel destroyed itself.
You are missing a major point in all of this, there was nothing there to act like the glue between the heroes, more importantly, there is no Strategic Homeland, Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division (S.H.I.E.L.D.), the original heroes directly derived from the organization: Tony's father was a co-founder, Steve's love interest was also a co-founder, both Clint and Natasha were Agents, Thor was an ally/friend of Coulson, Bruce was the only one without a link. But it was Fury and Coulson that brought the team together, and then with Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., saw the stories become more connected. What far from home should have done was re-establish S.H.I.E.L.D. with Fury taking to task alongside Coulson to assemble a new team.
The problem with Kang is that they had to drop Jonathan Majors. What with Chadewick Boseman dying that's another big character arc that's ended up going nowhere. They still have Spider Man and with the introduction of Dr Doom, the Fantastic Four and the X men there is hope for some big recognisable names to pull things together if they play their remaining cards right.
I just finished rewatching the MCU. And so far, I'm upset their recasting Jonathan Majors, I choose to pretend She-Hulk, Eternals, Thor Love and Thunder, Echo, I am Groot and Secret Invasion don't exist. The Marvels I enjoyed the first time, but the second time I realized how flawed the writing was. I enjoyed Loki season 2 more than season 1. I'm not thrilled about the MCU bringing in the X-Men and mutants because I don't know how mutant discrimination would work now. And I have no idea if I should still be following MCU stuff.
Yeah there’s honestly only a few good shows and movies in phase 4
What the hell is Echo?
Only one word to describe the downfall : Woke
"uh actually your wrong about that and i can prove it cuz..."😡
give me a minute
@@israeljones6028 if you're a true Marvel fan, you know exactly I'm not wrong. It's all disney who destroyed this franchise but does that mean i gave up? Obviously no! I'm still hyped fr Deadpool & Wolverine.. I'm still hyped fr Avengers 5 & Secret Wars.. But if they continue to woke things up, nothings gonna work. Big TH-camrs like Critical Drinker & Tyrone magnus also said this same stuff
@@Spider_Gwen3there’s literally no such thing as woke, not in the MCU
@@deadpooldan9862 exactly. Agreed. I've never seen a single woke stuff in any mcu movies. They're all masterpieces. They're soo good that it changed my life. Now i wake up at 2 am & then i watch some phase 4 mcu movies & then i go to sleep again. Doctor said mcu movies has changed me so much that my lifespan is now shorter. Thanks to mcu
The actor playing Kang turned out to have an unsavory real life that got out in the media. He got fired, and that suddenly left a huge hole in the near-term future of the MCU. I’m surprised another similar actor hasn’t been identified as a substitute.
I kinda feel like phase 4 should’ve been abit of a backseat break we’re each character would have there own story to get to know them so that way we’d get to see them have future interactions in phase 5