This Has To Be the Most INSANE Star Wars Retcon!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ย. 2024
- Padme Amidala (Natalie Portman) and Anakin Skywalker's deaths were mentioned before George Lucas wrote The Empire Strikes Back in Splinter of the Mind's Eye. Big Star Wars Explained video today that had Luke's parents backstories long before the prequel trilogy.
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The one thing I can't handle is how they are always like ... but that was a very long time ago. It was 19 years Obi-Wan! I've got clothes older than that.
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Well I think the original concept or idea was more like 50 or even 100 years lol…they retconned it to fit Vader being the dad tho and to have the republic be not so long ago but ya the anachronism is funny
Look how much he aged in that time though.
@@notmephisto1375 for IRL context; 2015 wasn't even 10 years ago. And yet the world's been flipped on its head like 11 times since then...
A lot happened in that period. A lot was lost. Holds weight. Also being a hermit hiding in a cave on Tatooine can make a decade feel like half a century
Thanks Meg for making these historical vids in a way, fanbase needs reminders about stuff like this
Show no mercy Lord Vader, only then will you be strong enough with the dark side, to save Padme.
I was under the impression that “Splinter” was commissioned as a low budget sequel treatment before the success of “Star Wars was realized.
Yup! As an OG, Splinter was awesome then, and is still awesome now. Canon or not, it was a major bit of coolness (still have my copy).
No it was fan fiction
@@benengle9621 No, it was published with the consent of Lucas and by a major publisher
@@winslowjoy2629 AND it beats the pants of of any of the Disney-produced garbage.
@@benengle9621 my physical copy that I have had since release, says otherwise.
I always figured she was talking about her adopted mother at that point.
The problem with that explanation is Luke specifically asked, "Do you remember your mother, your real mother?" The prequels were just badly written.
@@chrisperlaky8715They are force sensitive and Anakin did have force visions. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say Leia did have pictures of Lia in her mind. I do agree though the prequels have their issues. I don’t mind writing for the writer in my head when the story and movies are pretty compelling. Its when their not that I quit making up my own sort of reasons for inconsistencies.
It was just one of those plot points you have to overlook when continuing a story.
When Padme was dying, she could feel Anakin dying too. She sensed her children would be protected by _Uncle Ben._ She wasn't aware yet that Leia would go with Bail, but she would be fine and as strong, or stronger than she was, as well. She knew one of them could redeem their father. She gave in to Palpatine drawing her life force to save Anakin. She felt the spark of goodness still in him.
Everyone has the Force. Some people are born with the door wide open. George creating the Midichlorians was his way of saying, People who have the door wide open have more of _them_ communicating with the Whills. An average person would have about 2,500-5,000 and someone who would be accepted into the Jedi Order would have to have closer to 7,500-10,000.
Plagueis thought a _Pure_ Force Sensitive would have 15,000 Midichlorians, but Yoda had almost 20,000. Padme, Han, Hondo, Sabine, even Chewie have a range between 5,000 and 10,000, but don't use their abilities like Jedi. They use them in different ways (until Sabine was trained). George teased Anakin had over 20,000 as Obi Wan states in the movies, but could have over 40,000.
_"It's off the charts!"._ ~Obi Wan
@@skully5063 I'm not saying it's unreasonable on the part of an audience member. I'm saying it's contrived and terrible story telling (on Lucas' part) when the intention of the original dialogue was to indicate Leia remembered her mother beyond Force sensitivity. The idea of Padme dying of a broken heart when she just gave birth to twins is beyond ludicrous, but so is the idea of Padme's disbelief of Anakin killing younglings when he professed to killing an entire tribe of Tusken Raiders, specifically the women and children. Lucas was far too literal with the prequels, from wanting everything to tie up into a nice bow at the end to not giving the audience a chance to make connections that would otherwise exist through metaphor. The few metaphors that existed were poorly constructed at best and half-assed at worst.
Just focusing on the "love story", I would've preferred Anakin's attraction to Padme be expressed through a desire to teach her the ways of the Force. As Anakin fell to the dark side Padme would turn to Obi-Wan. He would continue her teaching beyond the loss of Anakin and the movie would end with them together on the Lars Homestead prior to her giving birth. It would have given Padme a lot more to do in Episode 3; would have added more meaning to Obi-Wan's line in "A New Hope" when he stated, "A pupil of mine..." which suggested Obi-Wan may have had more students than just Anakin; and could have implied Padme didn't actually die like Leia believed, but rather transformed into the Force like Obi-Wan.
These retcons are just absurd at this point. Next Star Wars is going to be retconned to happen Very Recently in a Galaxy Very, Very Close!
Luke wanted to go to the Imperial academy to defect to the Rebels like Biggs and Wedge.
I'm an OG Star Wars fan and I had a copy of Splinter of the Mind's Eye as a boy and let me tell you it was confusing to me. Granted I was 7-8 years old but so much of Star Wars had not been fleshed out yet. I still own my original paperback of The Empire Strikes Back. Love it to this day but again a lot of uncharted territory still. You have an interesting take on Padmé Amidala's role in the prequel trilogy and I appreciate it because despite loving Natalie Portman I've not always considered her importance beyond the superficial.
ADF... very talented chap. In many cases his standalone writing is a lot of fun.
ADF also wrote the novelisation of the first Star Wars movie, so he had a lot of notes on Luca’s story intent and ideas.
I grew up reading his Spellsinger series - janitor gets isekai’ed and learns to control magic with his magic guitar 😂, then loved his Humanx Commonwealth universe (Flinx, Icerigger)
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Sorry but....what was the most insane Star Wars retcon, and why was it "insane"? I was wondering if I'd missed something more controversial, instead of something that we already knew from watching the movies.
I remember reading Splinter of the Mind's Eye when it was first published and just assumed that it was non-canon once The Return of the Jedi came out and confirmed that Darth Vader was indeed Luke's father. Then when Return of the Sith came out, I just assumed that Leia had mis-remembered someone who'd looked after her as a young child and believed that was her mother. So finding out this video is just about mention of Luke's mother in a non-canon novel just makes the video title a bit click-baity.
Splinter of the Mind's Eye is a bizarre book. I found an original paperback copy at a thrift store years back. This was after I had stopped reading the EU books. I just couldn't get through the Vong War, I felt that's when the EU jumped the shark. I had never heard of the book at the time so I was excited to find the first EU book ever. And what a story, there is a reason why it's not considered canon in terms of EU.
Same, couldn't get through the Vong books.
I couldn’t finish the Vong War series either. Just lost interest
Splinter of The Minds Eye" would make a great film.
It was written to be one.
*Though nothing could outdo the 'Christmas Special'*
That book made Luke a "Mary Sue"
Ultimately, George’s storytelling enhanced his world-building… something we see is lacking in recent Star Wars products
Good video but what’s the actual retcon?
I didn't hear a retcon either
@@azboy0810 we've been click baited by Meg.
We know why Leia "remembered" her mum in RoTJ, and then Padme died in childbirrth. It was because the backstory was uncertain and not fully establishe.
For that reason we or at least I can oversee them. He didn't know if he ever should do the prequels and tell that story.
This doesn't explain the contradictions that is made now in the Disney era.
George Lucas always knew that Vader was Luke’s father. In the beginning he thought he would only be able to make one movie and thought that information was not needed. When he was making the empire strikes back he decided to go with his original idea. The original draft had a story with twins in it. In that draft Leah rescued
Luke. He was not sure to go with his original plan or not…. In the end he went to the first idea or concept of the story. George Lucas said: in the end that was the story and if the audience does not except it what can I do?
That’s not true. He came up with it while writing ESB. This is easily available to confirm.
George notoriously makes stuff up as he goes along...
When I'm writing, I have so many ideas swarming through my head. Choosing the best one sometimes proves difficult, but every once in a while, I get a Vader reveal moment or a huge misdirection idea. The kind George came up with on accident. Writing is sometimes filled with happy accidents. Star Wars is no exception.
*"..Democratic principles of the Republic.."*
Taking into acc current U.S. events, that almost seems like an oxymoron.
Are you dragging *real-world politics* into *Star Wars?*
Did you know Palpatine is Nixon? George did it first. 😂
Kudos for acknowledging that George messed with things long before Disney came along. The fandom will bend over backwards to make excuses for him while crucifying Disney over anything they do. I'm personally not a Disney fan but the double standard is undeniable. It was George's decision to cash out and give Kathleen Kennedy his blessing.
You don't remember the midichlorian drama or the shoehorned C3P0 built by young Ani drama? Was pretty palpable, and played a major factor in Lucas deciding to just sell the rights away
@@Didi_Meow_Records Yes, I do remember that. My entire point is how the fandom reacts NOW. Ever since Disney bought SW, fans make excuses for everything George did.
@@Darth.Shredder well in retrospect most can agree the prequels had more respect for the overall story than the sequels....what is there to excuse Lucas nowadays ? He's not running the show....last he did tho the fans practically drove him away.....
Is like eating grilled cheese sandwiches everyday, but you are not really a fan of grilled cheese. Then one day to you are served grilled toothpaste sandwiches everyday...all of a sudden those grilled cheeses start to sound pretty tasty. I don't think people are really to blame for that.
@@Didi_Meow_Records "Most? I highly disagree with that assumption. If you seriously think the prequels had more respect for the overall story, then we have nothing further to discuss. Besides, it's not a competition. Both Lucas and Disney can be guilty of messing with things. The difference is a lot of the Prequel fanboys who consider the prequels "their Star Wars" are now the biggest haters of the Disney era. I grew up with the original trilogy and dislike both but consider the Prequels much worse than the Disney era - especially when you consider the Prequels had George at the helm. I also think his plans for a sequel trilogy were rubbish and probably would have been even worse than what we got.
You know what's crazy that they're trying to retcon? That sith weren't seen for a thousand years and then he acolyte came out
Yeah, they didn't actually do that. Well, everyone that saw the Sith died of natural causes.
Sorry... Sorry. *Unnatural* causes. 🤣
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I actually just finished re-reading Splinter of the Mind's Eye for fun. I've enjoyed that book ever since my cousin introduced me to it. For some reason, this time my mind cast Michelle Yeoh in the part of Halla, lol. And yes, when it was written, very little was known about the galaxy far, far away. I just chalk off continuity issues to that, although it is pretty cool to see Leia try to fight Vader! Even though it's not canon, it's still a fun read, and I encourage folks to check it out.
The reference of Luke and Leia's mother that I didn't like was in the Legends book trilogy, "The Black Fleet Crisis", which suggested she was a member of the Fallanassi named Nashira. (SMH). Fortunately, this was invalidated in the third book when the Fallanassi admitted that she didn't really know, and that she'd met a woman named Nashira whose boy and girl were taken away from her, and she combined the two stories. (shrug)
I much prefer the canon version.
Padme's dying of sadness in childbirth is one of the most stupid plot points. Padme was kick-ass in movies 1 and 2 and then suddenly a quivering whimp in 3. The Padme in the first two movies would not have died of sadness if she had two defenseless infants whom the bad guys would have been searching for. That Padme would have fought for her children and have gone into hiding with them.
There's far more to it than that.
Ehhhh, I don't necessarily disagree with your conclusion, but I think you're underselling just what she experienced. Let's really look at it. Your husband has just literally *personally* murdered tens of children, and his *actions* have lead to the deaths of thousands of more innocents.
Then, you go to a hell-world with his best friend to confront your husband, hoping you can figure this out, make sense of it or save him.
Then he tries to choke you to death. While you are still carrying his children.
I'm not saying "dying of sadness" isn't kinda dumb, but, it's not quite as ridiculous as it seems on its face.
when i first wached the movie i always thought she died because anakin choked her and injured her somehow.
I mean they kinda wrote themselves in a corner, padme had to go before 4 and I guess nobody had a better idea. Having her leave with the kids was also impossible because then you'd have to explain why Leia got to stay while luke was on tattooine
@@oplars6487 Yes, but it would make more sens for her to pass away from actual chidbirth complications, like blood loss, rather than 'broken heart'. I personally strongly believe in tehory Palpatine stole her life power and gave it to Vader. People don't die from 'broken heart'. It's biologically impossible.
These are the many reasons Padme to this stands as my favorite character. She was the character who drew me into Star Wars. Without her, I would never have fallen in love the with the saga as I had and still do.
No "May the force be with you, always" today Meg? 🤨
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Me too! Other than Meg and Gen Tech, the others are just dudebros dudebroing.
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I’m pretty sure that in A New Hope, it’s only referred to as ‘the academy’, not ‘the Imperial Academy’ so is it canon that it’s the Imperial Academy that they were referring to? I’m not massively into SW lore so I’d like to know if this has ever been officially clarified anywhere. There’re many pilots both human and non-human (and we know the empire isn’t too keen on non-humans) in the SW galaxy, presumably there’re non-imperial flying academies and Luke could’ve been planning on going to one of them?
I really don’t understand why they also didn’t erased R2’s memory bank while 3PO did?
Erasing R2s memory would have lost all of the accumulated navigation data.
Cause 3PO is fluent in over 6 million forms of communication and R2 can only beep and whistle and needs to be translated to be understood.
R2 and presumably other astromechs seem to have far stronger encryption and are programmed to not blurt out secrets compared to protocol droids. 3PO is very chatty and offers up information without much resistance when he's pressured to do so. He freely let it slip to Luke that they were property of the rebellion and that the woman in R2's message was someone of great importance and on the ship they came from. He tried to act vague, but he likely would have revealed more if Luke had more aggressively pressed him to do so. Anyone who was really motivated to extract information from 3PO likely would be able to do so. R2 doesn't let slip such information voluntarily. R2 never informed either Leia or Luke about the truth about their father. He also refused to play back Leia's full holographic message to Obi Wan when Luke ordered him to do so. Tricking Luke into removing the restraining bolt with the promise that he would play the full version and then pretending as if the message didn't exist afterwards.
R2-D2 was always in on the plan.
Cause they didn´t think R2-D2 would be intelligent enough to talk.
Well, he didn´t talk, but for different reasons, one being that there was no point to talk about how Darth Vader was Lukes father.
If R2 even knew about that fact, because for him he never found out that Anakin ended up in a robot suit.
Did Leia not have some memory of her fleeing with her mother?
They'll be able to retcon that with the force telling her things from a certain point of view
@@leebush4053 LOL!
To try to make sense of this, others have said that maybe Leia remembers one of Padme's maids.
Remembering reading this before watching Empire.. Splinter in the minds Eye...proto Ewok battle also I feel if I remember it right
Well.. from a certain point of view. 🤔
1:23 My parents gave it to me when it first came out. I loved that book as a child.
One of the central themes is the threat of the ‘Strongman’ archetype - the rise of authoritarian leaders.
It would have been amazing to see Padme live to help establish the Rebellion!
Hey Meg! Thanks for taking me back to happy 10 year old me! The '70's & '80's are full of "non-canon" bits of fun across many franchises as that is when entertainment media kinda became a major part of peoples' lives. 💕
Hi Meg, awesome video, thank you for this video on Anakin and Padme, it was sad but very interesting, and it really sad to listen to it, thank you SWM
Great job Meg, it’s nice to hear you talk about those things. Back when life as a Star Wars fan was simple and always a pleasure. Before the ‘Dark Times’ of the Star Wars Wars and the evil empire of white slavers.
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thanks meg!
Anakin, in his anger, siphoned her life into himself to survive. And thus Bader was forever unable to completely turn to the Dark Side, as she was always with him in love abd survival.
I view the prequals differently than most, as a telling of stories narrated by someone who did not directly live or otherwise experience the events in question. Makes them more interesting than considering them 100% set in stone cannon.
I retcon con Disneys retcons because there retcons are not canon
Retcon means change the meaning of what happens, not avoid it and pretend it doesn't exist. Their Canon is The Canon. The movies are canon. What happens between them is more likely what will change people's minds about the problems they have with the sequels, just as they did with *The Clone Wars.* People had the same kind of problems with the prequels until they saw...
You don't have to throw the whole thing in the garbage because you didn't like a few scenes or a storyline of a character you thought would go differently. When we learn to separate the story from those preconceptions and conclusions drawn from the originals or the original ideas, we begin to see the bigger picture. It is quite a bit more nuanced than some fans think.
The ST was the way it was in large part because of the hate the PT received. Now the PT kids are grown and love it, and they didn't foresee that. The tone of Episode One is meant to be a bit more child-like to mirror Anakin’s own innocence during this time. It’s vastly different from the original trilogy because George’s vision is not a cookie-cutter series. Episodes 2 and 3 progressively get darker, more adult and more violent.
"Jar Jar is the key to all of this." ~George Lucas
Throwing the last Sith Lord down a reactor shaft isn't "bringing balance to the galaxy" as some people think. The Sith have been imbuing their essence into artifacts for millennia. Even if Palpatine were "unable" to return, there are so many Sith artifacts and teaching relics, they could return at any given time. Quite a few Sith imbued their essence into antiquities, such as masks, rings, weapons, monuments, etc. Every holocron, every aspect would need to be destroyed.
"If you define yourself by the power to take life, the desire to dominate, to possess...then you have nothing." ~Obi Wan
Anakin's first step was ending the way things were done in the Mortis realm. This isn't something he would do in one fell swoop.
Stories never end. They're just abandoned... for now.
Eventually, the stories will lead to Anakin coming back to show he is still, and always will be the Chosen One. George refers to Luke and Leia being the Chosen Ones at times because through Anakin, they are an extension of his work. So is Ahsoka. She is his padawan.
*There's always a bit of truth in Legends.* ~Ahsoka Tano
What happens between RotJ and TFA is comparable, but within George's vision, it is vastly different from Legends. I like to think of it as a vision or series of premonitions someone had of the future, and wrote them as prophecies. Palpatine still returns. in George's version, Luke still dies in TLJ (episode 8). Taryn or Kira, who becomes Rey in the final version, was compared to *Willard going up the river seeking General Kurtz* for training *(Apocalypse Now)* when George was helping work on the rewrites of his scripts with Michael Arndt and Lawrence Kasdan.
When they suggested they tone down the deep dive of The Whills and Midichlorians' microbiotic world, George got angry and stormed out. He claimed *"They aren't using my ideas,"* not that they threw the entire thing in the trash. With him no longer helping, they decided against using that part of his story treatments.
When we begin to see the whole picture, it becomes clearer, and we might begin to appreciate Star Wars for what it is. It may not lead to what I've described, but it is what it is, and we can appreciate it or deny it. It's up to us, and that's the best thing about a fantasy.
May the Force be with us all.
Up there with "maclunky!" George Lucas is a funny guy lol
There's also another book that speak of Luke and Leia's mother. But she isn't Padme, Luke and Leia's mother was part of a tribe (if I remember correctly) similar to the nightsisters or lightsisters. Luke sets out to look for information about her, Leia wants no part of it. Luke learns a new force skill through meeting their mother's ppl
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Splinter also introduces the story that Vader had fallen into lava
Ole Halla would be proud that you remember her and those crazy Yuzzems. Now, excuse me, but I get to get back on shift for my energy mining job. 😁 I remember losing my mind in 1978 when my dad bought me that book. Let's just leave age out of this conversation. LOL!
Splinter of the minds eye was never part of cannon even in legends or extended universe terms after the book of the empire strikes back mainly because it also contains a scene where Luke and Leia who at the time didn't know they were brother and sister became very intimate with each other while hiding from Darth Vader. After it was established that Luke and Leia were brother and sister it was taken out of the story to prevent the incest angle that the book would have created.
I am awaiting the day they canonize palpatine siphons padme lifeforce using her connection to anakin to heal "vader" it would be all the more saddening that vaders pained screams, and outbursts during his surgeries had some kinda impact on her state of being aswell. simply losing the will to live in post partum depression is one thing, but to actively die of that sadness seemingly without any signs of depression, I'd rather beliee that it wasnt just a deep dispair at what anakin had become, that led to her death, given moments before she saw two rays of hope come into the galaxy, and named them. that shows to me at least she had the will to go on, and "lost the will to live" is not be a valid explaination to how she died, given all we know of palpatine, the droids just couldnt make sense of the darkside magicks in play and all they could seem to detect is her clearly choatic emotional state (as anyone whos just given birth is, combined with all that has happened) followed by her death, and concluded this is the only reason that makes some sense.
Slinter of the minds eye was first Star wARS BOOK i EVER RED AND STILL AT MY OLD AGE WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITE BOOKS EVER READ. Sorry caps fshaky hands even though I lost alot with my strokes still remmber i loved that book cant remmeber why and what it was but know it was a favorite.
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There's a noticeable improvement in audio quality between 5:10 and 5:18, might only be noticeable to me as a musician tho.
In listening to the explanation of it and it being released in 1977 I am 100% certain that the author put his outlook of humanity in the book and it was all based on the Vietnam war, the clues are in Luke seeing that "humans war with each other everywhere" it's Hippy Dippy crap and stupid, a good author can put in allegory that reflects the world around them, a bad author puts their views into their writing. and I would 100% bet that Alan Dean Foster is a Hippy.
And I mean on googling to see if he's still around I learned he was a writer on Star Trek the Motion Picture. And I'm now betting that he was the one who included the whole Vulcan bits or the stuff with McCoy being some sort of hippy stand-in.
I just recently started watching your channel and for the most part I am a fan. I would like to point out one thing that might help a bit. You might need a new mic or at the very least try to reduce the tone a bit. It is hard to make out half of what you are saying and it is not your accent. It sounds like the tone is too much or perhaps to loud over everything else.
Final someone taking about star wars and it not be some anti-woke dribble.
Thank you, great video!
I think it was also in that book that Han and Leia had twins.....might be that book, I deffo remember twins.
Is it just me, or did Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman have ZERO chemistry? They seemed awkward together to me.
Zero chemistry! I love how the sequel trilogy was so bad people now think those prequels were good. lol. There’s like 4 or 5 good Star Wars movies that exist.
@@Thinkcreep Empire Strikes Back is, by far, the best of them.
I mean, if you were a 19 year old raised in slavery before being sent to a monastery and actively sent on expeditions where your only company is another man then being told that you have to spend an indefinite amount of time with a girl you like, who also likes you, but has been focused on politics and is equally as unfamiliar as you. The feeling would be a bit awkward
@@Sumschmuck I’m talking about the lack of chemistry between the actors, not the characters. I’ve seen plenty of movies where the actors good chemistry was noticeable, but to me, and to others I’ve talked to about it, Hayden and Natalie didn’t have good chemistry.
I own this book…awesome book
No, Splinter of the Mind's Eye was fan fiction written as a response to the author watching the star wars movie
why did the book spell it Artoo Detoo, it looks like how a three year old would spell it.
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I read that book not long after watching the original Star Wars movie. It was really lame. A bunch of scary set ups and useless letdowns. The story didn’t go anywhere. I knew it was not canon and so it really couldn’t develop in any direction without risking being overturned in the very next movie. This is the first time I’ve ever seen anyone reference it in any sort of semi serious way.
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