I think what makes this universe a bit more retro and futuristic would be the existence of Victor Timely, thus making technological advancements 100 years earlier than the 616 universe 🤷🏾♂️ that's just me tho 😂😅
The third rail that is the Magneto problem is incredibly hard to get around I can see an angle being they introduce Fabian Cortez as someone who's been by Magnetos side for years invigorating him and keeping him young and fresh. This has been done in story lines before and his corruption at the hands of Fabian Cortez could be a reason for Charles to "rescue" him or maybe somehow create Onslaught.
XMen the Animated Series moved around that "problem" just fine by not making him part of The Holocaust, just an unnamed war... and that is bar none the best iteration of Magnus in any medium. Disagree that him having been part of The Holocaust is that fundamental to his character.
An alternate history of the world populated with Marvel characters told from a starting point in the '60's would be an insanely ambitious and amazing franchise. I would watch that twice as hard as the current MCU.
Yeah, but then if we want to have stories with all the characters, we would have old Avengers... I don't know. It would be better to reboot the whole thing from the 60s... but it's not going to happen, because they can't just put the money-machine on stand-by
Nah there probabor are avengers because if they’re basing it off the comics for real, then they have to have the avengers. Also the reality number is 199999, not 616 (that’s the comic reality).
I would love to see a cameo of a variant Avengers lineup in this universe with 1960’s style suit designs! Still keep the F4 as the main focus but I’d love to see this ‘True Marvel Universe’ explored to its fullest potential before they’re embroided into the sacred timeline in Avengers: Doomsday and Secret Wars.
@theplotrecap I couldn’t agree more buddy! I’d like to see some of the more vibrant villains like the Masters of Evil go up against the Avengers or even Fing Fan Foom against the F4 and the Avengers joining in as backup. How about you?
It's first steps toward a complete reboot. Perhaps 616 Earth is going to collide and collapse thus bringing up the complete end to the MCU that has been in existence till now.
@@mightheal That's debatable. Endgame gave a lot of fans an 'out' from the franchise, and many of them never came back. I don't think Marvel Studios will be looking to create such a concrete endpoint for viewers to check out this time around. Other than killing off a couple of Avengers and bringing mutants in, I don't expect much will change.
When I was a teenager, I lived on 24th Street between Fifth and Sixth Avenues in NYC and it is bugging me that on the map seen at 9:22 the Flatiron Building is facing the wrong way. The narrowest point of the building is on 23rd Street and the wider part is on 22nd Street with Fifth Avenue and Broadway making the long sides of the building. That is all.
ummm did the rest of Manhattan look like that? LOLone particular intersection is kind of a non-issue when the entire NYC landscape has been reimagined.
Basically Kevin feige has been wanting to make an MCU universe where everything follows the canons of comic book lore and the timeline of the comic book of law so that way everything falls into proper place so in other words fantastic four would reset everything back to his true defaults as in the books and in the history of these books starting from the 60s and going up... This is going to blow those people's minds who have been watching all these MCU movies for the last 30 years they're going to be losing their crap.
The key to the what if scenario for the fantastic 4 universe could be that the Tesseract was found after the events of Captain America and successfully harnessed as a power source by Reed Richards instead of landing in the hands of Howard Stark.
This seems too clever for Marvel to actually do, but if they did, would they retain the cast members associated with those MCU characters? You’d think that cosmic circus would be leaking this information.
This problem of Magneto's age is already fixed in canon, in the 90s Magneto was de-aged and rasied by Moira McTaggert before being re-aged right before the 90s relaunch that gave us the Gold and Blue teams. They could even keep the same casting as the First class casting.
As someone who doesn't read comics ( and the major population doesn't) we don't wanna hear that. It's corny and complicated. The universe thing is much simpler and better
This is a good point. All 3 Spiderman variants and villains all came through at different moments of time. It would make more sense with Kang but whatever.
The term KISS (keep it simple stupid) comes to mind! Your right, they could and should keep it simple by plucking a Variant Magneto from an alternate timeline of mutant-heavy worlds. Perhaps introducing him in Secret Wars..?
Ye Like Magneto being 100 and still being around and fighting isn't something unbelievable in a universe where there are already 100+ year old men running around (Steve, Bucky, pretty sure Isaiah is, Thor, Wolverine...) "Mutants age differently" wow not unbelievable at all
Im not saying Magneto isn’t a problem, he is. I’m just saying you could do it with one tiny tweak and a single line. “His mutation allows him to control magnetic fields and has slowed his aging process.” Or he somehow uses his power to extend his life because comics. I doubt most people would care if it means keeping the character going.
Just say Magneto and Professor X have a second mutation that allows them to live longer. Comic books in general have this problem of running for so long without the characters actually aging that you can’t really tell which year they are supposed to be set in. Normally they fix that by rebooting the universe with big events every few years but some things are hard to fix like the origin of Magneto.
Can we just appreciate the mega acid trip Stan Lee and Jack Kirby must have been on in 1963😂 to come up with this many banger ideas in a few months is wild.
You need to go and read up on Magneto, he was already rebirthed in a younger body once before making his physical body much younger than his actual age. This can be worked into a MCU origin.
I hope many people can read this: Stan Lee used to refinance the "Fab Four" in F. F. Comics a lot. Calling the group the "Fab Four". STAN LEE said this was a.clear reference to the Beatles. STAN LEE, THE WRITER AND CO CREATOR SAID THE BEATLES.
Yes you can alter Magnetos back story. Ultimate X-Men did it. But I think they won't do it. Maybe Magnetos body in the softreboot MCU was altered some time ago (like in the comics, by the mutant Alpha I think) or he ages differently because of it's powers (hey, it's a comic book movie).
When Tony goes back in time and meets his dad, didn't we see the Project that created the F4 and Project Goliath both seen listed? Which I assume is set in 1963
I agree with a few of replies here. The MCU has established firmly and clearly that some mutants live for hundreds of years ie Namor, and we all just accepted it easily. His explanation was short and simple,"I'm a mutant.". Realistically, thanks to Wolverine and Namor, Marvel can just pick whoever they want and say that they have decelerated aging and give no other explanation than "mutant".
because having the MCU set in a retro futuristic 60s would be so cool, it would be a tribute to its roots. It would also give the MCU a distinct art-style, which desperately needs at the moment imo.
I really like your theory since I would love to see an MCU that’s closer to the comics. And I think the reason everything is so advanced is that Reed and the Future Foundation have accelerated the pace of science and technology.
your ending point was perfect like Avengers and supes basically made a utopia in peace time (except when they didn't) in '63 what if mutes fought since WW1&2 which would give rise to a utopia by 60s
That moustache fits Mr Pascal perfectly, but it does not fit Reed Richards at all, I'm sorry to say. 😬 Kevin Feige must be well-aware of that, but it's a creative choice : these actors have the perfect retro-futuristic happy-go-lucky look a la Jetsons for this concept. I don't see much similarity between Mr Pascal and John Krasinski (who plays Reed in Doctor Strange 2); I would not be surprised if these FF from the 60's would not survive the incursion menacing their planet, but Magneto would. Magneto could thus play his role in the Mutant Saga, his origin story intact, and we would get another First Family with an origin story set in the 2020's, a team more adapted to the darker, grittier stories to come. I would not feel cheated if our future FF (not the Pascal-led team) boarded a rocket in the 60's but disappeared in the Negative Zons for a while before coming back.
@@jarednavarrete1740 It gives us a glimpse of what's going in other universes, we'll learn first hand that when incursions happen we loose (at least) one universe. That particular incursion also allows Magneto (and probably a few other heros/villains [Doom?]) to cross over to "our" universe. Keep in mind that this is only a wild guess.😬🤷🏼♂️
As a Silver ager, the current disjointed MCU has never sat well with me due to the contractual obligations. I’ve been saying for a long time they need to reboot the past, now they’ve got all the options open to them.
December 1963 was the aftermath of the assassination of JFK. That was a pivotal moment in American and world history which was seem to be a stronger reason to set the movie in this period. And a historical figure strongly connected to the space race and the fight for civil rights. Themes which are part of the fictional histories of the FF and mutants.
You're calling it the Magneto problem, but wouldn't it be Magneto and Professor X. Maybe I was misunderstanding, but I though that they were approximately the same age. I know Charles wasn't a holocaust victim, but if cannon has established them to be the same age, I would think that the same delema would apply. His sister could be explained for being locked away in the Void.
So the way im thinking about it is basically the Spiderman life story comic, where you see him actually living through the times of the 60s, 70s, and so on. Which is really cool seeing him in that era, opposed to how much of us see spiderman now with the modern more relevent multiverse stuff. Hope that this theory is true. Would love to see the original marvel comicbook line up in live action.
This definitely solves the magneto problem. I love this idea. And it won’t be as if mutants were hiding this entire time. Post secret wars is going to be crazy
I absolutely adore the idea of 2 HUGE timelines playing alongside eachother, I wouldn't even mind if they took a break from the MCU and brought us into this alternate MCU for a few movies and shows (they wouldnt) but it be sick
NO. Those months on comic covers were NOT the month they came out, it was the last month they could be returned for a full refund by sellers. Why does everyone get this wrong? Have they never wondered why Christmas themed comics always say “Feb” or “Mar?”
I just had a wild thought - what if the universe that Fantastic Four is set in is the alternate timeline created when Steve went back to stay with Peggy? I couldn't see him just sitting by while tons of world atrocities happened. And it's not like he could stay hidden for 80 years, people would recognize him. Maybe he made the world so much better in the 40s and 50s that science and technology progressed a lot which paved the way for the Fantastic Four to exist.
I just wonder why they give Reed richards a Howard Stark Beard, I mean, thats Reed, not Walt Disney and Reed never had a Beard in the comics as I remember.
OMFGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDD I have not been hyped for a a Marvel movie like this in a while. If Erics theory turns out to be what happens (which it makes complete sense and would be the best thing the MCU ever did) this will be this is going to be a ground breaking movie
I like this idea - and have questions. It seems you're also suggesting that the Fantastic Four 60s universe will collide with the MCU universe in what would be the equivalent of the Marvel Universe and the Ultimate Universe colliding in the lead up to Secret Wars 2015. Where does that leave Deadpool's universe? I know there's a lot of speculation that Galactus will devour Earth in FF, sending the First Family into the multiverse. What happens then? How does the Fantastic Four universe interact in the multiverse after that? Maybe Doom and Richards work together to create a lifeboat, ala Secret Wars 2015 that lands them in The Void, soon to become Battleworld? Does Doom pull the Manhattan of 1963's Fantastic Four into The Void, verifying his ability to pull pieces of multiple universes onto Battleworld? Basically, what really happens to this universe? And when?
They may need to "Captain" Magneto and either freeze him or have him go into a mysterious wormhole (ala what if) to keep a younger Magneto in the current time line. They could do the same thing to Charles, cause them having history is fairly important to the rivalry.
I think this is all headed towards FF failing to stop Galactus, and in a mad dash to some sort of global Doom-timedoor lifeboat for any and all to use, many (but not all) 60's era heroes and villains save as many humans as they can and wind up plunged in what we now know as the MCU. Just as *it* is about to be destroyed by its OWN Galactus (but without the FF in the MCU to help stop it). And when ALL of the Galactus variants succeed in every timeline, Doom has no choice but to use whatever all-powerful device he can get his hands on (Gauntlet, Nullifier, syphoning off The Sentry, whatever) to sew everything into Battleworld in Secret Wars, and out of that will come The One True Marvel Cinematic Universe. Like I said elsewhere, I think they have pivoted not so much from Kang being the Big Bad, but the Multiverse *itself* as the ultimate "villain" (conceptually) that has to be reined in like Loki pulling stories back together after Loki Season 2. Secret Wars will be the conflict of "do you destroy the multiverse to make sure SOMEone survives, like He Who Remains' original plan? or do you insist that there must be another way?" Reed will be haunted by his failure, and Doom will never, EVER let him live it down that HE had to fix Richards' mistake.
I like the first part of your argument, but I believe Kevin Feige said in a podcast that there’s only one Galactus. On the other hand, it looks like there are multiple Silver Surfers so who knows. 🤷♂️
So what if first steps is actually them restarting before secret wars. The mcu 616 is actually a screwed time line because of kang. And the fantastic fours timeline is the one to save?
My impulsive brain is having a casting party: McKellen x Stewart Fassbender x McAvoy Campbell Bower x Highmore Coster-Waldau x McGregor Mortensen x Oldman Day-Lewis x Fiennes
I really want,hope ,wish and believe that the f4 60's universe will be the next og marvel universe after secret wars which have all marvel characters in it,the complete version
As much as we loved the journey and all the accomplishments Marvel has made over the last 15 years I would find it hilarious if everything leading up till now was just a prequel or an origin story to set up the Fantastic Four and a true Marvel Cinematic Universe based off them being the first superhero family and which would fall in line with them wanting to make this all a true reboot and start fresh Kevin is still in his fifties and he'll probably hold on to the title for at least 20 more years
I think it would be interesting if the What If... concept to being about the first steps alternate reality were "what if hydra had been crushed early on?" A lot of the villainy in the mcu has been hydra-based so far. It would be a much different hero world for them.
🚨Listen, what will make the Mutant Saga work, and have the fans really feel torn, is having mutants merge into our 616 universe. Even you the viewer will feel some kind of way…that mutants are all of a sudden here with us, AND using our finite resources, and they all have super powers? WTF!? Which will make it feel like they are truly outcasts.
Bugs me to hear Doom’s Time Platform called a “door.” It was originally called a platform, the term timedoor wasn’t used until much later, and as a way to describe what the platform form does (creates time doors).
What if this film is set in 616, but just an alternate timeline in 616? Perhaps the one Steve created when he went back to stay with Peggy? Perhaps him being there made the world so much better than it allowed the techno-futuristic world they depict to develop. Maybe he prevents some tragedy that killed Reed Richards in the main 616 timeline.
If we do get cameos or other hero’s in like a newspaper or something in this photo like a pic of spice in a daily bugle costume I hope his costume looks very retro and goofy for a 60s vibe
I think it would be interesting if there is a variant of doctor doom in universe 838 and he has some sort of animosity (or interest) towards 616 for what happened in the events of multiverse of madness. That universes' Reed Richards did use some Doctor Doom tech in the scene where he was introduced. Also in universe 838 the Ultron bots could have been good bots because Doom and Reed worked on that universes' Ultron program and not Stark. Now that Robert Downey Jr has been cast as Dr Doom the events of multiverse of madness could now be retconned to Robert Downey Jr as Doctor Doom, maybe even that Tony Stark variant who became Doctor Doom 🤔
For a retro futuristic society as is pitched for the setting, the world's technology had to have progressed at a much faster rate to have hover cars by the year 1963. So the historical events would look vastly different to own own historical events to better first they're rate if technological progression. So not only does magneto have a slightly different origin but so does everyone else.
magneto can be healed and de-aged by exposure to earth electromagnetic field. in the x-men animated series he used his powers so much he was falling apart on the molecular level and was thrown out of the airlock on asteroid M in an assassination attempt. He later came back stronger than ever as the earth healed him.
I think there is multiple ways to have a Magneto that originated in the MCU 616. I know that this particular idea would skip a lot of set up for the X-Men/Mutants, but they could easily state that Xavier had been manipulating the situation by "hiding" all mutants for their protection to wait for a better time to become known. To the point where the universe is attempting to correct that by having mutants pop up still, like Ms. Marvel. Yes, that would mean we would have Mutants already established within the MCU but then they could have any age range they wanted. This could also play into the concept of Magneto doing what he thinks is right and fighting against Xavier. Magneto always states "We already tried your way Charles" like 30 seconds after the start of attempting to try Xavier's method(s). This would allow ground work for Xavier's plan to see a full attempt and for Magneto to not go with what Xavier wants do to failing already. It's not the best way as it skips the foundational time period(s) of characters and just plops them into the MCU with no set up, but it is a method.
Sadly, there are plenty of other atrocities since WWII that Magneto's origin COULD be tied to, instead. However, mutants, it has always been established in the comics, are hardier than ordinary humans by varying degrees. They even all have a minor healing factor (nothing like Wolverine, but enough to keep them from dying from internal bleeding from being beaten up in a fight, for example. So mutants having longer lives wouldn't even be a stretch.
I think secret wars will end in a sort of collision between universes leading to a reset of sorts where all our main characters remember the past timeline but no one else does and having this reset move the timeline a few years back could allow magneto to maintain his origin aswell as establishing mutants as a pre existing species instead of having them appear out the blue.
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What do you think about this Magneto Problem? Are there other ways for Marvel Studios to get around it?
I think what makes this universe a bit more retro and futuristic would be the existence of Victor Timely, thus making technological advancements 100 years earlier than the 616 universe 🤷🏾♂️ that's just me tho 😂😅
The third rail that is the Magneto problem is incredibly hard to get around I can see an angle being they introduce Fabian Cortez as someone who's been by Magnetos side for years invigorating him and keeping him young and fresh. This has been done in story lines before and his corruption at the hands of Fabian Cortez could be a reason for Charles to "rescue" him or maybe somehow create Onslaught.
Seeing Magneto in this movie would be great, but the most important thing to me is that Magneto is actually played by a Jewish actor this time.
Just make it part of his mutant ability to age slower. Magnets innnit.
XMen the Animated Series moved around that "problem" just fine by not making him part of The Holocaust, just an unnamed war... and that is bar none the best iteration of Magnus in any medium.
Disagree that him having been part of The Holocaust is that fundamental to his character.
An alternate history of the world populated with Marvel characters told from a starting point in the '60's would be an insanely ambitious and amazing franchise. I would watch that twice as hard as the current MCU.
Feige! Set the MCU in the 60s an my soul is yours!
If Secret Wars comes down to a FF Universe vs. the current MCU, it'd be great to see the FF Universe win in the end.
Hollywood is changing their tactics apparently
@@Greg666 Well if that ever happens without Tony no one can at least match Reed so they will surely win fr
I wouldn't be surprised if F4s universe has every team but The Avengers, much like 616 having Avengers but no X-Men nor F4
Yeah, but then if we want to have stories with all the characters, we would have old Avengers... I don't know. It would be better to reboot the whole thing from the 60s... but it's not going to happen, because they can't just put the money-machine on stand-by
Sure, but the key reason those two didn't exist in the 616 MCU was due to who owned the rights to them at that time.
Nah there probabor are avengers because if they’re basing it off the comics for real, then they have to have the avengers.
Also the reality number is 199999, not 616 (that’s the comic reality).
Earth-199999 *is* the MCU
"Oh, what a night! Late December back in '63..."
The Four Seasons.
@@themailman3331 Fantastic Four Seasons
golden song to use in trailer footage
What a special time for me
I would love to see a cameo of a variant Avengers lineup in this universe with 1960’s style suit designs!
Still keep the F4 as the main focus but I’d love to see this ‘True Marvel Universe’ explored to its fullest potential before they’re embroided into the sacred timeline in Avengers: Doomsday and Secret Wars.
@theplotrecap I couldn’t agree more buddy! I’d like to see some of the more vibrant villains like the Masters of Evil go up against the Avengers or even Fing Fan Foom against the F4 and the Avengers joining in as backup. How about you?
It's first steps toward a complete reboot. Perhaps 616 Earth is going to collide and collapse thus bringing up the complete end to the MCU that has been in existence till now.
We're not getting a complete reboot, it'll be soft reboot at most.
@@mildhoof Whether it's Soft or Hard it will still lead to the end of the MCU as we know it.
This world and main will merge bringing in the x men and fantastic 4.
@@mightheal That's debatable. Endgame gave a lot of fans an 'out' from the franchise, and many of them never came back. I don't think Marvel Studios will be looking to create such a concrete endpoint for viewers to check out this time around. Other than killing off a couple of Avengers and bringing mutants in, I don't expect much will change.
@theplotrecap Badly
I very often think that you're way off on these theory videos. But I love them and I appreciate the work that goes in.
Same! And by all rights, it should have always been Mephisto.
Hope it can explore its retrofuturism to its full potential
When I was a teenager, I lived on 24th Street between Fifth and Sixth Avenues in NYC and it is bugging me that on the map seen at 9:22 the Flatiron Building is facing the wrong way. The narrowest point of the building is on 23rd Street and the wider part is on 22nd Street with Fifth Avenue and Broadway making the long sides of the building. That is all.
ummm did the rest of Manhattan look like that? LOLone particular intersection is kind of a non-issue when the entire NYC landscape has been reimagined.
Basically Kevin feige has been wanting to make an MCU universe where everything follows the canons of comic book lore and the timeline of the comic book of law so that way everything falls into proper place so in other words fantastic four would reset everything back to his true defaults as in the books and in the history of these books starting from the 60s and going up... This is going to blow those people's minds who have been watching all these MCU movies for the last 30 years they're going to be losing their crap.
The Avengers used Doom's time travel door back in the 1970s. It pops up here and there in the comics. You know your stuff, these are good videos.
The key to the what if scenario for the fantastic 4 universe could be that the Tesseract was found after the events of Captain America and successfully harnessed as a power source by Reed Richards instead of landing in the hands of Howard Stark.
This seems too clever for Marvel to actually do, but if they did, would they retain the cast members associated with those MCU characters? You’d think that cosmic circus would be leaking this information.
0:52 oh yeah the present day 2019, we've never left have we
i wish
this just nurtured the "conspiracies" that the world ended in 2020.
This problem of Magneto's age is already fixed in canon, in the 90s Magneto was de-aged and rasied by Moira McTaggert before being re-aged right before the 90s relaunch that gave us the Gold and Blue teams. They could even keep the same casting as the First class casting.
As someone who doesn't read comics ( and the major population doesn't) we don't wanna hear that. It's corny and complicated. The universe thing is much simpler and better
@@Dubzero946 one doesn't preclude the other iqts how they can still have Mafneto when they collapse the universes together.
@@matthewardill4297 I guess we'll find out
the earth will do that for him. earth to magento is like the sun to superman.
@@X99-h6r That's the argument I always made and I have no idea why the comic writers never think to use it
I can't wait for the MCU Fantastic Four. From what i've seen this might be the best adaptation yet!
You’re overthinking the mags thing. With a multiverse established, he could come from anywhere, not just the MCU or FF timelines.
To be fair it's their job to overthink/overanalyze things
This is a good point. All 3 Spiderman variants and villains all came through at different moments of time. It would make more sense with Kang but whatever.
The term KISS (keep it simple stupid) comes to mind! Your right, they could and should keep it simple by plucking a Variant Magneto from an alternate timeline of mutant-heavy worlds. Perhaps introducing him in Secret Wars..?
If dozens of mutants have decelerated aging then there's no reason magneto can't too, that's literally it
Magnetism heals
I guess it's weird when you have to distinguish it from Wolverine's aging, who is essentially immortal....
EXACTLY!
@@jarednavarrete1740 Namor gets slowed aging I don't see why Magneto can't
Ye
Like Magneto being 100 and still being around and fighting isn't something unbelievable in a universe where there are already 100+ year old men running around (Steve, Bucky, pretty sure Isaiah is, Thor, Wolverine...)
"Mutants age differently" wow not unbelievable at all
Im not saying Magneto isn’t a problem, he is. I’m just saying you could do it with one tiny tweak and a single line. “His mutation allows him to control magnetic fields and has slowed his aging process.” Or he somehow uses his power to extend his life because comics. I doubt most people would care if it means keeping the character going.
1963 was a groundbreaking year for Marvel. I immediately think of that when the year is mentioned.
mindblowing year for the rest of the country
@@MichaelSmith-dk1lc😂
Just say Magneto and Professor X have a second mutation that allows them to live longer. Comic books in general have this problem of running for so long without the characters actually aging that you can’t really tell which year they are supposed to be set in. Normally they fix that by rebooting the universe with big events every few years but some things are hard to fix like the origin of Magneto.
Can we just appreciate the mega acid trip Stan Lee and Jack Kirby must have been on in 1963😂 to come up with this many banger ideas in a few months is wild.
10:47 take a page from X-Men: Evolution. Magneto uses the vita-ray chamber that gave Cap his powers to extend his own life.
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You need to go and read up on Magneto, he was already rebirthed in a younger body once before making his physical body much younger than his actual age. This can be worked into a MCU origin.
"Didn;t you chart in the 60s?" Perhaps, Strange was remembering one of the battles versus Thanos that he viewed with the Time Stone.
The Fantastic Four were a band that formed in 1965, in Detroit. Dr. Strange's joke in MoM was referencing them!
1:33 that future of marvel movies sounds like heaven to me
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Fantastic Four was an actual singing group that did chart in the 60s. Not the Fab Four which was The Beatles.
Apparently the band was formed in 1965, while the comic first came out in 1961… neat!
Exactly! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
They were a R&B/Pop/Soul band from Detroit with one minor hit (The Whole World Is A Stage).
I hope many people can read this:
Stan Lee used to refinance the "Fab Four" in F. F. Comics a lot.
Calling the group the "Fab Four".
STAN LEE said this was a.clear reference to the Beatles.
STAN LEE, THE WRITER AND CO CREATOR SAID THE BEATLES.
@@ChasTerran While you aren't wrong, no one mentioned "Fab Four".
@n3u3rotica oh yes, they DID...I have the comics and the Fanzines with Stan interviews.
I've known this fact since the 70's
Maybe it was that Steve Rogers never went into the ice, and thereby established "super heroes" as a normal thing in society.
Dos their version of hulk being in the 60s mean Bruce was born earlier or is it some one else as the hulk?
11:43 great choice of covers.
Maybe longevity could be one of Magneto’s mutant abilities.
Yes you can alter Magnetos back story. Ultimate X-Men did it. But I think they won't do it. Maybe Magnetos body in the softreboot MCU was altered some time ago (like in the comics, by the mutant Alpha I think) or he ages differently because of it's powers (hey, it's a comic book movie).
When Tony goes back in time and meets his dad, didn't we see the Project that created the F4 and Project Goliath both seen listed? Which I assume is set in 1963
I would imagine the "Exodus" Tony mentioned is Weapon Plus so they could've said Exodus in Endgame
I agree with a few of replies here. The MCU has established firmly and clearly that some mutants live for hundreds of years ie Namor, and we all just accepted it easily. His explanation was short and simple,"I'm a mutant.". Realistically, thanks to Wolverine and Namor, Marvel can just pick whoever they want and say that they have decelerated aging and give no other explanation than "mutant".
Why can’t Marvel just establish that along with his magnetism, his mutation also causes him to age slower. Problem solved.
Bingo. 🎯
Yeah, magnetism heals, etc.
Because it's human nature to complain about things
because having the MCU set in a retro futuristic 60s would be so cool, it would be a tribute to its roots. It would also give the MCU a distinct art-style, which desperately needs at the moment imo.
I really like your theory since I would love to see an MCU that’s closer to the comics. And I think the reason everything is so advanced is that Reed and the Future Foundation have accelerated the pace of science and technology.
If First Steps goes in this direction, this would be a spectacular movie for sure.
Thanks for this video. I actually had not even considered the Magneto timeline problem
Find it such a funny choice of date just because my Dad was born in December '63
Mine was born in April 63
I already know that this video is gonna be goated!! 🔥
your ending point was perfect
like Avengers and supes basically made a utopia in peace time (except when they didn't)
in '63 what if mutes fought since WW1&2 which would give rise to a utopia by 60s
I hope we get some references to 60s versions of Marvel characters in FF FIRST STEPS
I am still not getting a good vibe seeing Reed Richards look in Pedro Pascal.
Hopefully he shaves that teenager scraggle-beard thing
That moustache fits Mr Pascal perfectly, but it does not fit Reed Richards at all, I'm sorry to say. 😬
Kevin Feige must be well-aware of that, but it's a creative choice : these actors have the perfect retro-futuristic happy-go-lucky look a la Jetsons for this concept.
I don't see much similarity between Mr Pascal and John Krasinski (who plays Reed in Doctor Strange 2); I would not be surprised if these FF from the 60's would not survive the incursion menacing their planet, but Magneto would. Magneto could thus play his role in the Mutant Saga, his origin story intact, and we would get another First Family with an origin story set in the 2020's, a team more adapted to the darker, grittier stories to come. I would not feel cheated if our future FF (not the Pascal-led team) boarded a rocket in the 60's but disappeared in the Negative Zons for a while before coming back.
@@ironshoes1720 Then what's the point of this 60s team?
@@jarednavarrete1740 It gives us a glimpse of what's going in other universes, we'll learn first hand that when incursions happen we loose (at least) one universe. That particular incursion also allows Magneto (and probably a few other heros/villains [Doom?]) to cross over to "our" universe.
Keep in mind that this is only a wild guess.😬🤷🏼♂️
I'd like a South Asian looking Reed Richards. Someone like Roshan Seth in his hey-days.
As a Silver ager, the current disjointed MCU has never sat well with me due to the contractual obligations. I’ve been saying for a long time they need to reboot the past, now they’ve got all the options open to them.
This was well put! I really hope it turns out like that!
December 1963 was the aftermath of the assassination of JFK. That was a pivotal moment in American and world history which was seem to be a stronger reason to set the movie in this period. And a historical figure strongly connected to the space race and the fight for civil rights. Themes which are part of the fictional histories of the FF and mutants.
3:14 what if kang didn’t trim the sacred timeline
But doesn't Loki control the sacred timeline now?
@user-zf2ru4eq4w he's not pruning the timeline though, he's just letting each timeline playout.
it is valentine's day, so February 1964.
You're calling it the Magneto problem, but wouldn't it be Magneto and Professor X. Maybe I was misunderstanding, but I though that they were approximately the same age. I know Charles wasn't a holocaust victim, but if cannon has established them to be the same age, I would think that the same delema would apply. His sister could be explained for being locked away in the Void.
I agree. Magneto and Xavier should always go together, they are like ying and yang of a story
So the way im thinking about it is basically the Spiderman life story comic, where you see him actually living through the times of the 60s, 70s, and so on. Which is really cool seeing him in that era, opposed to how much of us see spiderman now with the modern more relevent multiverse stuff. Hope that this theory is true. Would love to see the original marvel comicbook line up in live action.
I think you guys nailed it. Well done
This definitely solves the magneto problem. I love this idea. And it won’t be as if mutants were hiding this entire time. Post secret wars is going to be crazy
I absolutely adore the idea of 2 HUGE timelines playing alongside eachother, I wouldn't even mind if they took a break from the MCU and brought us into this alternate MCU for a few movies and shows (they wouldnt) but it be sick
Krasinksi knowing about the 60s f4 is a crazy reach from strange just mocking his team
He knows about Incursions and the Multiverse. I don't think it's that crazy of a reach for him to know about other Reeds in other universes.
Council of Reeds
N4t i agree with you on that one
Great vid
Great theory about how Marvel will solve the Magneto problem!
jeeeeeeeezzz did not realize the 60s had hits after hits
NO.
Those months on comic covers were NOT the month they came out, it was the last month they could be returned for a full refund by sellers.
Why does everyone get this wrong? Have they never wondered why Christmas themed comics always say “Feb” or “Mar?”
Today I learned
@@markanderson7236 Always glad to spread knowledge.
I just had a wild thought - what if the universe that Fantastic Four is set in is the alternate timeline created when Steve went back to stay with Peggy? I couldn't see him just sitting by while tons of world atrocities happened. And it's not like he could stay hidden for 80 years, people would recognize him. Maybe he made the world so much better in the 40s and 50s that science and technology progressed a lot which paved the way for the Fantastic Four to exist.
I just wonder why they give Reed richards a Howard Stark Beard, I mean, thats Reed, not Walt Disney and Reed never had a Beard in the comics as I remember.
Well, Reed having a beard is kind of an iconic look for him now...
@@jarednavarrete1740yes, now it is... but the classic one is with no beard and with white hair on the side of his hair
OMFGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDD I have not been hyped for a a Marvel movie like this in a while. If Erics theory turns out to be what happens (which it makes complete sense and would be the best thing the MCU ever did) this will be this is going to be a ground breaking movie
I like this idea - and have questions. It seems you're also suggesting that the Fantastic Four 60s universe will collide with the MCU universe in what would be the equivalent of the Marvel Universe and the Ultimate Universe colliding in the lead up to Secret Wars 2015. Where does that leave Deadpool's universe? I know there's a lot of speculation that Galactus will devour Earth in FF, sending the First Family into the multiverse. What happens then? How does the Fantastic Four universe interact in the multiverse after that? Maybe Doom and Richards work together to create a lifeboat, ala Secret Wars 2015 that lands them in The Void, soon to become Battleworld? Does Doom pull the Manhattan of 1963's Fantastic Four into The Void, verifying his ability to pull pieces of multiple universes onto Battleworld?
Basically, what really happens to this universe? And when?
Love watching your vids when I’m buzzzzzzed 🤣
They may need to "Captain" Magneto and either freeze him or have him go into a mysterious wormhole (ala what if) to keep a younger Magneto in the current time line. They could do the same thing to Charles, cause them having history is fairly important to the rivalry.
I think this is all headed towards FF failing to stop Galactus, and in a mad dash to some sort of global Doom-timedoor lifeboat for any and all to use, many (but not all) 60's era heroes and villains save as many humans as they can and wind up plunged in what we now know as the MCU. Just as *it* is about to be destroyed by its OWN Galactus (but without the FF in the MCU to help stop it). And when ALL of the Galactus variants succeed in every timeline, Doom has no choice but to use whatever all-powerful device he can get his hands on (Gauntlet, Nullifier, syphoning off The Sentry, whatever) to sew everything into Battleworld in Secret Wars, and out of that will come The One True Marvel Cinematic Universe. Like I said elsewhere, I think they have pivoted not so much from Kang being the Big Bad, but the Multiverse *itself* as the ultimate "villain" (conceptually) that has to be reined in like Loki pulling stories back together after Loki Season 2. Secret Wars will be the conflict of "do you destroy the multiverse to make sure SOMEone survives, like He Who Remains' original plan? or do you insist that there must be another way?" Reed will be haunted by his failure, and Doom will never, EVER let him live it down that HE had to fix Richards' mistake.
I like the first part of your argument, but I believe Kevin Feige said in a podcast that there’s only one Galactus. On the other hand, it looks like there are multiple Silver Surfers so who knows. 🤷♂️
I wonder how the TVA ties into this alternate universe considering that the entire TVA looks like a time capsule from the 1960s as well.
i love the info
So what if first steps is actually them restarting before secret wars. The mcu 616 is actually a screwed time line because of kang. And the fantastic fours timeline is the one to save?
My impulsive brain is having a casting party:
McKellen x Stewart
Fassbender x McAvoy
Campbell Bower x Highmore
Coster-Waldau x McGregor
Mortensen x Oldman
Day-Lewis x Fiennes
This was great! Can't wait!
I wonder if see will see Beast and Monica Rambo inthis world?
I really want,hope ,wish and believe that the f4 60's universe will be the next og marvel universe after secret wars which have all marvel characters in it,the complete version
Reed and Doom meeting when on the Manhattan project?
P.S. As I just Tweeted/Xed you, it's possible Strange was talking about the Fantastic Four R&B band, who *did* chart in the '60s!!!
As much as we loved the journey and all the accomplishments Marvel has made over the last 15 years I would find it hilarious if everything leading up till now was just a prequel or an origin story to set up the Fantastic Four and a true Marvel Cinematic Universe based off them being the first superhero family and which would fall in line with them wanting to make this all a true reboot and start fresh Kevin is still in his fifties and he'll probably hold on to the title for at least 20 more years
I think it would be interesting if the What If... concept to being about the first steps alternate reality were "what if hydra had been crushed early on?" A lot of the villainy in the mcu has been hydra-based so far. It would be a much different hero world for them.
"Present" day MCU isn't set in 2019 though.
True. We're either in 2025 or 2026, depending on when The Marvels takes place.
@@ClemRusty1940More like the Marbles 💀
@@ParaplegicKeanuReeves🌽
@@ClemRusty1940yep keep forgetting there was a 5 yr time jump
🚨Listen, what will make the Mutant Saga work, and have the fans really feel torn, is having mutants merge into our 616 universe. Even you the viewer will feel some kind of way…that mutants are all of a sudden here with us, AND using our finite resources, and they all have super powers? WTF!? Which will make it feel like they are truly outcasts.
I bet dr doom/ Victor is the marvel equivalent of the Oppenheimer. And that’s why the world is like that
Bugs me to hear Doom’s Time Platform called a “door.” It was originally called a platform, the term timedoor wasn’t used until much later, and as a way to describe what the platform form does (creates time doors).
What if this film is set in 616, but just an alternate timeline in 616? Perhaps the one Steve created when he went back to stay with Peggy? Perhaps him being there made the world so much better than it allowed the techno-futuristic world they depict to develop. Maybe he prevents some tragedy that killed Reed Richards in the main 616 timeline.
Having them moved forward in time due the universes colliding is probably the most reasonable solution
There actually was a group in the 1960s called the fantastic four
I think you meant the Mephisto Problem.
Mephisto All Along
If we do get cameos or other hero’s in like a newspaper or something in this photo like a pic of spice in a daily bugle costume I hope his costume looks very retro and goofy for a 60s vibe
Not enough circles, I need MORE.
I think it would be interesting if there is a variant of doctor doom in universe 838 and he has some sort of animosity (or interest) towards 616 for what happened in the events of multiverse of madness.
That universes' Reed Richards did use some Doctor Doom tech in the scene where he was introduced. Also in universe 838 the Ultron bots could have been good bots because Doom and Reed worked on that universes' Ultron program and not Stark.
Now that Robert Downey Jr has been cast as Dr Doom the events of multiverse of madness could now be retconned to Robert Downey Jr as Doctor Doom, maybe even that Tony Stark variant who became Doctor Doom 🤔
If they’re doing the 60s time period would be cool to see Spiderman noir
Since it’s Valentines Day, wouldn’t it be Feb 1964? Since he’s reading a magazine from Dec
they released the poster on valentines day they didn't say that month it's in
I just think its a different media, Let each one be its own thing and stand alone. No Live-action can satisfy the audience
There was a vocal group Fantastic Four that formed in 1965.
I was born Dec 13, 1963 so I approve of them choosing this date. BTW, it was a Friday so Friday the 13th.
I thought Marvel said there isn't going to be any other heroes than the FF. I might be wrong, but this is what I remember.
We will see Magneto or the Winter Soldier take out Jack Kennedy
You mean John?
Magneto taking out Jackie O Kennedy would be WILD 🤣
Do some research lol
@@erikfinkel2717 Jack was a nickname, like Bobby Kennedy for RFK
@@erikfinkel2717JFK’s friends and relatives called him Jack. However, the public at large didn’t.
For a retro futuristic society as is pitched for the setting, the world's technology had to have progressed at a much faster rate to have hover cars by the year 1963. So the historical events would look vastly different to own own historical events to better first they're rate if technological progression. So not only does magneto have a slightly different origin but so does everyone else.
magneto can be healed and de-aged by exposure to earth electromagnetic field. in the x-men animated series he used his powers so much he was falling apart on the molecular level and was thrown out of the airlock on asteroid M in an assassination attempt. He later came back stronger than ever as the earth healed him.
I think there is multiple ways to have a Magneto that originated in the MCU 616. I know that this particular idea would skip a lot of set up for the X-Men/Mutants, but they could easily state that Xavier had been manipulating the situation by "hiding" all mutants for their protection to wait for a better time to become known. To the point where the universe is attempting to correct that by having mutants pop up still, like Ms. Marvel. Yes, that would mean we would have Mutants already established within the MCU but then they could have any age range they wanted. This could also play into the concept of Magneto doing what he thinks is right and fighting against Xavier. Magneto always states "We already tried your way Charles" like 30 seconds after the start of attempting to try Xavier's method(s). This would allow ground work for Xavier's plan to see a full attempt and for Magneto to not go with what Xavier wants do to failing already. It's not the best way as it skips the foundational time period(s) of characters and just plops them into the MCU with no set up, but it is a method.
Sadly, there are plenty of other atrocities since WWII that Magneto's origin COULD be tied to, instead. However, mutants, it has always been established in the comics, are hardier than ordinary humans by varying degrees. They even all have a minor healing factor (nothing like Wolverine, but enough to keep them from dying from internal bleeding from being beaten up in a fight, for example. So mutants having longer lives wouldn't even be a stretch.
I think secret wars will end in a sort of collision between universes leading to a reset of sorts where all our main characters remember the past timeline but no one else does and having this reset move the timeline a few years back could allow magneto to maintain his origin aswell as establishing mutants as a pre existing species instead of having them appear out the blue.
Captain America was introduced in the 40’s so him ig
An older Magneto took the Super Soldier serum to get younger in X-men: Evolution , I think