I think what makes this universe a bit more retro and futuristic would be the existence of Victor Timely, thus making technological advancements 100 years earlier than the 616 universe 🤷🏾♂️ that's just me tho 😂😅
The third rail that is the Magneto problem is incredibly hard to get around I can see an angle being they introduce Fabian Cortez as someone who's been by Magnetos side for years invigorating him and keeping him young and fresh. This has been done in story lines before and his corruption at the hands of Fabian Cortez could be a reason for Charles to "rescue" him or maybe somehow create Onslaught.
XMen the Animated Series moved around that "problem" just fine by not making him part of The Holocaust, just an unnamed war... and that is bar none the best iteration of Magnus in any medium. Disagree that him having been part of The Holocaust is that fundamental to his character.
An alternate history of the world populated with Marvel characters told from a starting point in the '60's would be an insanely ambitious and amazing franchise. I would watch that twice as hard as the current MCU.
Ye Like Magneto being 100 and still being around and fighting isn't something unbelievable in a universe where there are already 100+ year old men running around (Steve, Bucky, pretty sure Isaiah is, Thor, Wolverine...) "Mutants age differently" wow not unbelievable at all
This problem of Magneto's age is already fixed in canon, in the 90s Magneto was de-aged and rasied by Moira McTaggert before being re-aged right before the 90s relaunch that gave us the Gold and Blue teams. They could even keep the same casting as the First class casting.
As someone who doesn't read comics ( and the major population doesn't) we don't wanna hear that. It's corny and complicated. The universe thing is much simpler and better
NO. Those months on comic covers were NOT the month they came out, it was the last month they could be returned for a full refund by sellers. Why does everyone get this wrong? Have they never wondered why Christmas themed comics always say “Feb” or “Mar?”
This is a good point. All 3 Spiderman variants and villains all came through at different moments of time. It would make more sense with Kang but whatever.
The term KISS (keep it simple stupid) comes to mind! Your right, they could and should keep it simple by plucking a Variant Magneto from an alternate timeline of mutant-heavy worlds. Perhaps introducing him in Secret Wars..?
I hope many people can read this: Stan Lee used to refinance the "Fab Four" in F. F. Comics a lot. Calling the group the "Fab Four". STAN LEE said this was a.clear reference to the Beatles. STAN LEE, THE WRITER AND CO CREATOR SAID THE BEATLES.
I would love to see a cameo of a variant Avengers lineup in this universe with 1960’s style suit designs! Still keep the F4 as the main focus but I’d love to see this ‘True Marvel Universe’ explored to its fullest potential before they’re embroided into the sacred timeline in Avengers: Doomsday and Secret Wars.
It's first steps toward a complete reboot. Perhaps 616 Earth is going to collide and collapse thus bringing up the complete end to the MCU that has been in existence till now.
@@mightheal That's debatable. Endgame gave a lot of fans an 'out' from the franchise, and many of them never came back. I don't think Marvel Studios will be looking to create such a concrete endpoint for viewers to check out this time around. Other than killing off a couple of Avengers and bringing mutants in, I don't expect much will change.
The key to the what if scenario for the fantastic 4 universe could be that the Tesseract was found after the events of Captain America and successfully harnessed as a power source by Reed Richards instead of landing in the hands of Howard Stark.
Yeah, but then if we want to have stories with all the characters, we would have old Avengers... I don't know. It would be better to reboot the whole thing from the 60s... but it's not going to happen, because they can't just put the money-machine on stand-by
When I was a teenager, I lived on 24th Street between Fifth and Sixth Avenues in NYC and it is bugging me that on the map seen at 9:22 the Flatiron Building is facing the wrong way. The narrowest point of the building is on 23rd Street and the wider part is on 22nd Street with Fifth Avenue and Broadway making the long sides of the building. That is all.
ummm did the rest of Manhattan look like that? LOLone particular intersection is kind of a non-issue when the entire NYC landscape has been reimagined.
Basically Kevin feige has been wanting to make an MCU universe where everything follows the canons of comic book lore and the timeline of the comic book of law so that way everything falls into proper place so in other words fantastic four would reset everything back to his true defaults as in the books and in the history of these books starting from the 60s and going up... This is going to blow those people's minds who have been watching all these MCU movies for the last 30 years they're going to be losing their crap.
Im not saying Magneto isn’t a problem, he is. I’m just saying you could do it with one tiny tweak and a single line. “His mutation allows him to control magnetic fields and has slowed his aging process.” Or he somehow uses his power to extend his life because comics. I doubt most people would care if it means keeping the character going.
When Tony goes back in time and meets his dad, didn't we see the Project that created the F4 and Project Goliath both seen listed? Which I assume is set in 1963
I agree with a few of replies here. The MCU has established firmly and clearly that some mutants live for hundreds of years ie Namor, and we all just accepted it easily. His explanation was short and simple,"I'm a mutant.". Realistically, thanks to Wolverine and Namor, Marvel can just pick whoever they want and say that they have decelerated aging and give no other explanation than "mutant".
Why couldn't they just say Magneto being a mutant ages slower than regular humans so he can fit in any timeline? Wolverine already ages slower, granted it's due to his healing factor. Why couldn't they just retcon magneto and say his mutant gene also makes him age slower somehow?
There actually was a 1960's R&B group called the Fantastic Four that Stephen is referring to. Knowing what we know now since DSATMOM, Reed's knowing nod seems to be showing his satisfation that indeed, Strange's reality and THIS Reed's are indeed, separate. I guess that's a relief to Reed? We shall see!
So the way im thinking about it is basically the Spiderman life story comic, where you see him actually living through the times of the 60s, 70s, and so on. Which is really cool seeing him in that era, opposed to how much of us see spiderman now with the modern more relevent multiverse stuff. Hope that this theory is true. Would love to see the original marvel comicbook line up in live action.
I think it would be interesting if the What If... concept to being about the first steps alternate reality were "what if hydra had been crushed early on?" A lot of the villainy in the mcu has been hydra-based so far. It would be a much different hero world for them.
I think ppl are under analyzing that "didnt u guess chart in the 60s" line because chart isnt just applied to a actually 📉. Chart can also mean travel/ voyage.
My impulsive brain is having a casting party: McKellen x Stewart Fassbender x McAvoy Campbell Bower x Highmore Coster-Waldau x McGregor Mortensen x Oldman Day-Lewis x Fiennes
Captain America Steve Rodgers doesn’t go in the ice but makes it possible for mutants to feel they can co-exist with their power-sets and normalize superheroes. That is my what if…scenario.
OK but I would say that a core essence of any iteration of the X-Men has to have that fear of the mutants to it. Without it, they become just another team of superheroes.
The Magneto age problem is super easy to solve. At some point in his life he recruits a mutant with rejuvenation powers who gives him back 30 or 40 years. Simple.
That moustache fits Mr Pascal perfectly, but it does not fit Reed Richards at all, I'm sorry to say. 😬 Kevin Feige must be well-aware of that, but it's a creative choice : these actors have the perfect retro-futuristic happy-go-lucky look a la Jetsons for this concept. I don't see much similarity between Mr Pascal and John Krasinski (who plays Reed in Doctor Strange 2); I would not be surprised if these FF from the 60's would not survive the incursion menacing their planet, but Magneto would. Magneto could thus play his role in the Mutant Saga, his origin story intact, and we would get another First Family with an origin story set in the 2020's, a team more adapted to the darker, grittier stories to come. I would not feel cheated if our future FF (not the Pascal-led team) boarded a rocket in the 60's but disappeared in the Negative Zons for a while before coming back.
@@jarednavarrete1740 It gives us a glimpse of what's going in other universes, we'll learn first hand that when incursions happen we loose (at least) one universe. That particular incursion also allows Magneto (and probably a few other heros/villains [Doom?]) to cross over to "our" universe. Keep in mind that this is only a wild guess.😬🤷🏼♂️
I think this is all headed towards FF failing to stop Galactus, and in a mad dash to some sort of global Doom-timedoor lifeboat for any and all to use, many (but not all) 60's era heroes and villains save as many humans as they can and wind up plunged in what we now know as the MCU. Just as *it* is about to be destroyed by its OWN Galactus (but without the FF in the MCU to help stop it). And when ALL of the Galactus variants succeed in every timeline, Doom has no choice but to use whatever all-powerful device he can get his hands on (Gauntlet, Nullifier, syphoning off The Sentry, whatever) to sew everything into Battleworld in Secret Wars, and out of that will come The One True Marvel Cinematic Universe. Like I said elsewhere, I think they have pivoted not so much from Kang being the Big Bad, but the Multiverse *itself* as the ultimate "villain" (conceptually) that has to be reined in like Loki pulling stories back together after Loki Season 2. Secret Wars will be the conflict of "do you destroy the multiverse to make sure SOMEone survives, like He Who Remains' original plan? or do you insist that there must be another way?" Reed will be haunted by his failure, and Doom will never, EVER let him live it down that HE had to fix Richards' mistake.
I like the first part of your argument, but I believe Kevin Feige said in a podcast that there’s only one Galactus. On the other hand, it looks like there are multiple Silver Surfers so who knows. 🤷♂️
Interesting idea but I think there are two major quibbles. The lynchpin to your theory is the cover of the Life magazine in December 1963. You jump from that clue to the assumption that it is the exact same magazine as our universe, with the same historical events having taken place. That's a pretty huge leap for an alternate universe! There really is no way for us to know what is in that magazine. Maybe that issue is celebrating the end of LBJ's first term or his fourth, with Kennedy having never been assassinated or even president. When dealing with alternate realities, literally anything could be inside those pages, depicting a very much altered world history. The other problem I have with this theory is your assumption that it is the arrival of the mutants that brought about the changes to the culture and environment of NYC of the First Steps film. I kind of agree with you that divorcing Magneto from his Holocaust backstory takes away the essence of his character. In the same vein, an essential part of the X-Men is that their appearance was met with fear and distrust. Can anyone think of the X-Men without some person on the street yelling "Mutie!" That fear of the unknown is baked into that comics DNA. So to believe that the arrival of the X-Men brought about this George Jetson style NYC doesn't gel with the fear of mutants that is core to the X-Men. Consider this - look at a photo of the NYC skyline. You'll see buildings completed in 2010's; you'll see buildings built in the 1970's; the 1950's; the 1930's; and with the Flat Iron Building, completed in 1902! When I look at the city scape in First Steps, the thing that struck me (no pun intended) was how homogenous the future city looks. Yes there are some famous 30's and younger buildings, such as the Empire State, the Chrysler and Flat Iron; but pretty much the rest of the city is futuristic, which is pretty incredible. There's a reason why today, the Manhattan skyline doesn't look like majority One WTC (Freedom Tower) or like the original WTC complex, built between '66 and '75 because massively overhauling a city's skyline doesn't take place overnight but gradually. The predominance of futuristic buildings suggests to me that there was something catastrophic that happened that destroyed a lot of buildings - remember the reason why OneWTC buildings exist in our universe is that the original WTC towers were destroyed in 2001. The hayday of the skyscraper buildings that now dominate the NY skyline was 1880's to 1930's, with continual building but at a slower pace up until now. Something in the First Steps universe had to have happened to the majority of the skyscrapers but which oddly left some of the taller more iconic buildings intact. Again go back to the original WTC, whose twin buildings massively towered over lower Manhattan, which was one of the reasons why they were targeted. So that leaves a gap between the Chrysler and Empire State building style of the 30's and the futuristic buildings present in the 60's. That suggests to me that something majorly different happened in the 40's-50's that overhauled so much of the buildings. Sounds like WWII was massively different than in our timeline, or maybe it never happened at all - maybe their time traveling Deadpool killed their Baby Hitler. Maybe we had contact with an alien race, which could account for the huge leap in technology. In the poster for First Steps we see HERBIE, a robot more advanced than any we can make in our universe now and way way way more advanced than the computers of our 1960's, which were huge machines taking up a large amount of space but with very minimal computing power. Whatever the cause of the divergence between universes, I'm willing to bet it's something else besides the arrival of the X-Men a few months earlier or even the arrival of super heroes a couple of years prior.
You're calling it the Magneto problem, but wouldn't it be Magneto and Professor X. Maybe I was misunderstanding, but I though that they were approximately the same age. I know Charles wasn't a holocaust victim, but if cannon has established them to be the same age, I would think that the same delema would apply. His sister could be explained for being locked away in the Void.
This definitely solves the magneto problem. I love this idea. And it won’t be as if mutants were hiding this entire time. Post secret wars is going to be crazy
Sadly, there are plenty of other atrocities since WWII that Magneto's origin COULD be tied to, instead. However, mutants, it has always been established in the comics, are hardier than ordinary humans by varying degrees. They even all have a minor healing factor (nothing like Wolverine, but enough to keep them from dying from internal bleeding from being beaten up in a fight, for example. So mutants having longer lives wouldn't even be a stretch.
I think there is multiple ways to have a Magneto that originated in the MCU 616. I know that this particular idea would skip a lot of set up for the X-Men/Mutants, but they could easily state that Xavier had been manipulating the situation by "hiding" all mutants for their protection to wait for a better time to become known. To the point where the universe is attempting to correct that by having mutants pop up still, like Ms. Marvel. Yes, that would mean we would have Mutants already established within the MCU but then they could have any age range they wanted. This could also play into the concept of Magneto doing what he thinks is right and fighting against Xavier. Magneto always states "We already tried your way Charles" like 30 seconds after the start of attempting to try Xavier's method(s). This would allow ground work for Xavier's plan to see a full attempt and for Magneto to not go with what Xavier wants do to failing already. It's not the best way as it skips the foundational time period(s) of characters and just plops them into the MCU with no set up, but it is a method.
Yes you can alter Magnetos back story. Ultimate X-Men did it. But I think they won't do it. Maybe Magnetos body in the softreboot MCU was altered some time ago (like in the comics, by the mutant Alpha I think) or he ages differently because of it's powers (hey, it's a comic book movie).
I really like your theory since I would love to see an MCU that’s closer to the comics. And I think the reason everything is so advanced is that Reed and the Future Foundation have accelerated the pace of science and technology.
So what if first steps is actually them restarting before secret wars. The mcu 616 is actually a screwed time line because of kang. And the fantastic fours timeline is the one to save?
It just seems to me that during secret wars there should be heroes from all over each timeline. Just based on the fact that the MCU has shown that in the multiverse everything is happening simultaneously.
Bugs me to hear Doom’s Time Platform called a “door.” It was originally called a platform, the term timedoor wasn’t used until much later, and as a way to describe what the platform form does (creates time doors).
As much as we loved the journey and all the accomplishments Marvel has made over the last 15 years I would find it hilarious if everything leading up till now was just a prequel or an origin story to set up the Fantastic Four and a true Marvel Cinematic Universe based off them being the first superhero family and which would fall in line with them wanting to make this all a true reboot and start fresh Kevin is still in his fifties and he'll probably hold on to the title for at least 20 more years
I really want,hope ,wish and believe that the f4 60's universe will be the next og marvel universe after secret wars which have all marvel characters in it,the complete version
It could work since you could argue that the current MCU is really more like the Ultimate Universe. The Avengers we got really were closer to the Ultimates.
In the comics, Magneto was de-aged at least once. In Krakoa, they're bringing people back from the dead. Maybe magnetism gives him longer life! Keeping him from WWII is easy, honestly....hell my MIL is 98, and still kicking, so it's not unheard of....she's no supervillain, but still!
I think secret wars will end in a sort of collision between universes leading to a reset of sorts where all our main characters remember the past timeline but no one else does and having this reset move the timeline a few years back could allow magneto to maintain his origin aswell as establishing mutants as a pre existing species instead of having them appear out the blue.
For a retro futuristic society as is pitched for the setting, the world's technology had to have progressed at a much faster rate to have hover cars by the year 1963. So the historical events would look vastly different to own own historical events to better first they're rate if technological progression. So not only does magneto have a slightly different origin but so does everyone else.
@@SsickMusic I doubt they will change that as well, but the closest modern European tragedy (which is what was asked for) is the Bosnia incident. So if they were to set aside the Jewish heritage, that would be a solid option.
The Magneto problem is a good point and having him come from the F4 universe would be a logical way to bring him into the 616….But they don’t have to stay true to the comic origin imo
My theory is that in this FF universe, the capacitor never gets invented and nuclear power and fusion becomes the dominant technology. Reed does the math and sees that humanity only has ~114 years left, and creates a way to travel interdimensionally to find a way to stave off impending nuclear war.
fingers crossed they play december, 1963 by frankie valli in the movie, i think itd fit the vibe of johnny taking ben out to meet someone after getting thing-ed out
magneto can be healed and de-aged by exposure to earth electromagnetic field. in the x-men animated series he used his powers so much he was falling apart on the molecular level and was thrown out of the airlock on asteroid M in an assassination attempt. He later came back stronger than ever as the earth healed him.
I have an idea about how they can introduce Magneto in the mcu have him be in a sleep pod and having awaken early enough where he can be around the age of him in the comics well not having any plot holes and have like Professor X discover him and free him have him be someone who was kidnapped by Hydra just like Bucky and then there's no plot holes
What do you think about this Magneto Problem? Are there other ways for Marvel Studios to get around it?
I think what makes this universe a bit more retro and futuristic would be the existence of Victor Timely, thus making technological advancements 100 years earlier than the 616 universe 🤷🏾♂️ that's just me tho 😂😅
The third rail that is the Magneto problem is incredibly hard to get around I can see an angle being they introduce Fabian Cortez as someone who's been by Magnetos side for years invigorating him and keeping him young and fresh. This has been done in story lines before and his corruption at the hands of Fabian Cortez could be a reason for Charles to "rescue" him or maybe somehow create Onslaught.
Seeing Magneto in this movie would be great, but the most important thing to me is that Magneto is actually played by a Jewish actor this time.
Just make it part of his mutant ability to age slower. Magnets innnit.
XMen the Animated Series moved around that "problem" just fine by not making him part of The Holocaust, just an unnamed war... and that is bar none the best iteration of Magnus in any medium.
Disagree that him having been part of The Holocaust is that fundamental to his character.
An alternate history of the world populated with Marvel characters told from a starting point in the '60's would be an insanely ambitious and amazing franchise. I would watch that twice as hard as the current MCU.
"Oh, what a night! Late December back in '63..."
The Four Seasons.
@@themailman3331 Fantastic Four Seasons
golden song to use in trailer footage
If dozens of mutants have decelerated aging then there's no reason magneto can't too, that's literally it
Magnetism heals
I guess it's weird when you have to distinguish it from Wolverine's aging, who is essentially immortal....
EXACTLY!
@@jarednavarrete1740 Namor gets slowed aging I don't see why Magneto can't
Ye
Like Magneto being 100 and still being around and fighting isn't something unbelievable in a universe where there are already 100+ year old men running around (Steve, Bucky, pretty sure Isaiah is, Thor, Wolverine...)
"Mutants age differently" wow not unbelievable at all
This problem of Magneto's age is already fixed in canon, in the 90s Magneto was de-aged and rasied by Moira McTaggert before being re-aged right before the 90s relaunch that gave us the Gold and Blue teams. They could even keep the same casting as the First class casting.
As someone who doesn't read comics ( and the major population doesn't) we don't wanna hear that. It's corny and complicated. The universe thing is much simpler and better
@@Dubzero946 one doesn't preclude the other iqts how they can still have Mafneto when they collapse the universes together.
@@matthewardill4297 I guess we'll find out
the earth will do that for him. earth to magento is like the sun to superman.
NO.
Those months on comic covers were NOT the month they came out, it was the last month they could be returned for a full refund by sellers.
Why does everyone get this wrong? Have they never wondered why Christmas themed comics always say “Feb” or “Mar?”
You’re overthinking the mags thing. With a multiverse established, he could come from anywhere, not just the MCU or FF timelines.
To be fair it's their job to overthink/overanalyze things
This is a good point. All 3 Spiderman variants and villains all came through at different moments of time. It would make more sense with Kang but whatever.
The term KISS (keep it simple stupid) comes to mind! Your right, they could and should keep it simple by plucking a Variant Magneto from an alternate timeline of mutant-heavy worlds. Perhaps introducing him in Secret Wars..?
Fantastic Four was an actual singing group that did chart in the 60s. Not the Fab Four which was The Beatles.
Apparently the band was formed in 1965, while the comic first came out in 1961… neat!
Exactly! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
They were a R&B/Pop/Soul band from Detroit with one minor hit (The Whole World Is A Stage).
I hope many people can read this:
Stan Lee used to refinance the "Fab Four" in F. F. Comics a lot.
Calling the group the "Fab Four".
STAN LEE said this was a.clear reference to the Beatles.
STAN LEE, THE WRITER AND CO CREATOR SAID THE BEATLES.
I would love to see a cameo of a variant Avengers lineup in this universe with 1960’s style suit designs!
Still keep the F4 as the main focus but I’d love to see this ‘True Marvel Universe’ explored to its fullest potential before they’re embroided into the sacred timeline in Avengers: Doomsday and Secret Wars.
It's first steps toward a complete reboot. Perhaps 616 Earth is going to collide and collapse thus bringing up the complete end to the MCU that has been in existence till now.
We're not getting a complete reboot, it'll be soft reboot at most.
@@mildhoof Whether it's Soft or Hard it will still lead to the end of the MCU as we know it.
This world and main will merge bringing in the x men and fantastic 4.
@@mightheal That's debatable. Endgame gave a lot of fans an 'out' from the franchise, and many of them never came back. I don't think Marvel Studios will be looking to create such a concrete endpoint for viewers to check out this time around. Other than killing off a couple of Avengers and bringing mutants in, I don't expect much will change.
Why can’t Marvel just establish that along with his magnetism, his mutation also causes him to age slower. Problem solved.
Bingo. 🎯
Yeah, magnetism heals, etc.
Because it's human nature to complain about things
0:52 oh yeah the present day 2019, we've never left have we
i wish
this just nurtured the "conspiracies" that the world ended in 2020.
1963 was a groundbreaking year for Marvel. I immediately think of that when the year is mentioned.
mindblowing year for the rest of the country
I very often think that you're way off on these theory videos. But I love them and I appreciate the work that goes in.
Same! And by all rights, it should have always been Mephisto.
Hope it can explore its retrofuturism to its full potential
Find it such a funny choice of date just because my Dad was born in December '63
Mine was born in April 63
1:33 that future of marvel movies sounds like heaven to me
The key to the what if scenario for the fantastic 4 universe could be that the Tesseract was found after the events of Captain America and successfully harnessed as a power source by Reed Richards instead of landing in the hands of Howard Stark.
I wouldn't be surprised if F4s universe has every team but The Avengers, much like 616 having Avengers but no X-Men nor F4
Yeah, but then if we want to have stories with all the characters, we would have old Avengers... I don't know. It would be better to reboot the whole thing from the 60s... but it's not going to happen, because they can't just put the money-machine on stand-by
I can't wait for the MCU Fantastic Four. From what i've seen this might be the best adaptation yet!
When I was a teenager, I lived on 24th Street between Fifth and Sixth Avenues in NYC and it is bugging me that on the map seen at 9:22 the Flatiron Building is facing the wrong way. The narrowest point of the building is on 23rd Street and the wider part is on 22nd Street with Fifth Avenue and Broadway making the long sides of the building. That is all.
ummm did the rest of Manhattan look like that? LOLone particular intersection is kind of a non-issue when the entire NYC landscape has been reimagined.
it is valentine's day, so February 1964.
Basically Kevin feige has been wanting to make an MCU universe where everything follows the canons of comic book lore and the timeline of the comic book of law so that way everything falls into proper place so in other words fantastic four would reset everything back to his true defaults as in the books and in the history of these books starting from the 60s and going up... This is going to blow those people's minds who have been watching all these MCU movies for the last 30 years they're going to be losing their crap.
Maybe it was that Steve Rogers never went into the ice, and thereby established "super heroes" as a normal thing in society.
Dos their version of hulk being in the 60s mean Bruce was born earlier or is it some one else as the hulk?
10:47 take a page from X-Men: Evolution. Magneto uses the vita-ray chamber that gave Cap his powers to extend his own life.
"Present" day MCU isn't set in 2019 though.
True. We're either in 2025 or 2026, depending on when The Marvels takes place.
@@ClemRusty1940More like the Marbles 💀
@@ParaplegicKeanuReeves🌽
@@ClemRusty1940yep keep forgetting there was a 5 yr time jump
Im not saying Magneto isn’t a problem, he is. I’m just saying you could do it with one tiny tweak and a single line. “His mutation allows him to control magnetic fields and has slowed his aging process.” Or he somehow uses his power to extend his life because comics. I doubt most people would care if it means keeping the character going.
If First Steps goes in this direction, this would be a spectacular movie for sure.
When Tony goes back in time and meets his dad, didn't we see the Project that created the F4 and Project Goliath both seen listed? Which I assume is set in 1963
I would imagine the "Exodus" Tony mentioned is Weapon Plus so they could've said Exodus in Endgame
I agree with a few of replies here. The MCU has established firmly and clearly that some mutants live for hundreds of years ie Namor, and we all just accepted it easily. His explanation was short and simple,"I'm a mutant.". Realistically, thanks to Wolverine and Namor, Marvel can just pick whoever they want and say that they have decelerated aging and give no other explanation than "mutant".
Why couldn't they just say Magneto being a mutant ages slower than regular humans so he can fit in any timeline? Wolverine already ages slower, granted it's due to his healing factor. Why couldn't they just retcon magneto and say his mutant gene also makes him age slower somehow?
3:14 what if kang didn’t trim the sacred timeline
But doesn't Loki control the sacred timeline now?
@user-zf2ru4eq4w he's not pruning the timeline though, he's just letting each timeline playout.
There actually was a 1960's R&B group called the Fantastic Four that Stephen is referring to. Knowing what we know now since DSATMOM, Reed's knowing nod seems to be showing his satisfation that indeed, Strange's reality and THIS Reed's are indeed, separate. I guess that's a relief to Reed? We shall see!
11:43 great choice of covers.
I hope we get some references to 60s versions of Marvel characters in FF FIRST STEPS
The Avengers used Doom's time travel door back in the 1970s. It pops up here and there in the comics. You know your stuff, these are good videos.
Maybe longevity could be one of Magneto’s mutant abilities.
So the way im thinking about it is basically the Spiderman life story comic, where you see him actually living through the times of the 60s, 70s, and so on. Which is really cool seeing him in that era, opposed to how much of us see spiderman now with the modern more relevent multiverse stuff. Hope that this theory is true. Would love to see the original marvel comicbook line up in live action.
This was well put! I really hope it turns out like that!
Krasinksi knowing about the 60s f4 is a crazy reach from strange just mocking his team
He knows about Incursions and the Multiverse. I don't think it's that crazy of a reach for him to know about other Reeds in other universes.
Council of Reeds
N4t i agree with you on that one
I already know that this video is gonna be goated!! 🔥
I think it would be interesting if the What If... concept to being about the first steps alternate reality were "what if hydra had been crushed early on?" A lot of the villainy in the mcu has been hydra-based so far. It would be a much different hero world for them.
Thanks for this video. I actually had not even considered the Magneto timeline problem
I think ppl are under analyzing that "didnt u guess chart in the 60s" line because chart isnt just applied to a actually 📉. Chart can also mean travel/ voyage.
Charting a course on a map through The Seven Seas
No. The Fantastic Four were also a voice band (R&B/Pop/Soul) from Detroit. They had a minor hit in the 60's. 🤷🏼♂️
@@ironshoes1720 I get that I’m saying that line is deeper then the band it’s referring to
My impulsive brain is having a casting party:
McKellen x Stewart
Fassbender x McAvoy
Campbell Bower x Highmore
Coster-Waldau x McGregor
Mortensen x Oldman
Day-Lewis x Fiennes
We will see Magneto or the Winter Soldier take out Jack Kennedy
You mean John?
Magneto taking out Jackie O Kennedy would be WILD 🤣
Do some research lol
@@erikfinkel2717 Jack was a nickname, like Bobby Kennedy for RFK
@@erikfinkel2717JFK’s friends and relatives called him Jack. However, the public at large didn’t.
Captain America Steve Rodgers doesn’t go in the ice but makes it possible for mutants to feel they can co-exist with their power-sets and normalize superheroes. That is my what if…scenario.
OK but I would say that a core essence of any iteration of the X-Men has to have that fear of the mutants to it. Without it, they become just another team of superheroes.
The Magneto age problem is super easy to solve. At some point in his life he recruits a mutant with rejuvenation powers who gives him back 30 or 40 years. Simple.
I am still not getting a good vibe seeing Reed Richards look in Pedro Pascal.
Hopefully he shaves that teenager scraggle-beard thing
That moustache fits Mr Pascal perfectly, but it does not fit Reed Richards at all, I'm sorry to say. 😬
Kevin Feige must be well-aware of that, but it's a creative choice : these actors have the perfect retro-futuristic happy-go-lucky look a la Jetsons for this concept.
I don't see much similarity between Mr Pascal and John Krasinski (who plays Reed in Doctor Strange 2); I would not be surprised if these FF from the 60's would not survive the incursion menacing their planet, but Magneto would. Magneto could thus play his role in the Mutant Saga, his origin story intact, and we would get another First Family with an origin story set in the 2020's, a team more adapted to the darker, grittier stories to come. I would not feel cheated if our future FF (not the Pascal-led team) boarded a rocket in the 60's but disappeared in the Negative Zons for a while before coming back.
@@ironshoes1720 Then what's the point of this 60s team?
@@jarednavarrete1740 It gives us a glimpse of what's going in other universes, we'll learn first hand that when incursions happen we loose (at least) one universe. That particular incursion also allows Magneto (and probably a few other heros/villains [Doom?]) to cross over to "our" universe.
Keep in mind that this is only a wild guess.😬🤷🏼♂️
I'd like a South Asian looking Reed Richards. Someone like Roshan Seth in his hey-days.
Since it’s Valentines Day, wouldn’t it be Feb 1964? Since he’s reading a magazine from Dec
they released the poster on valentines day they didn't say that month it's in
I think this is all headed towards FF failing to stop Galactus, and in a mad dash to some sort of global Doom-timedoor lifeboat for any and all to use, many (but not all) 60's era heroes and villains save as many humans as they can and wind up plunged in what we now know as the MCU. Just as *it* is about to be destroyed by its OWN Galactus (but without the FF in the MCU to help stop it). And when ALL of the Galactus variants succeed in every timeline, Doom has no choice but to use whatever all-powerful device he can get his hands on (Gauntlet, Nullifier, syphoning off The Sentry, whatever) to sew everything into Battleworld in Secret Wars, and out of that will come The One True Marvel Cinematic Universe. Like I said elsewhere, I think they have pivoted not so much from Kang being the Big Bad, but the Multiverse *itself* as the ultimate "villain" (conceptually) that has to be reined in like Loki pulling stories back together after Loki Season 2. Secret Wars will be the conflict of "do you destroy the multiverse to make sure SOMEone survives, like He Who Remains' original plan? or do you insist that there must be another way?" Reed will be haunted by his failure, and Doom will never, EVER let him live it down that HE had to fix Richards' mistake.
I like the first part of your argument, but I believe Kevin Feige said in a podcast that there’s only one Galactus. On the other hand, it looks like there are multiple Silver Surfers so who knows. 🤷♂️
Interesting idea but I think there are two major quibbles. The lynchpin to your theory is the cover of the Life magazine in December 1963. You jump from that clue to the assumption that it is the exact same magazine as our universe, with the same historical events having taken place. That's a pretty huge leap for an alternate universe! There really is no way for us to know what is in that magazine. Maybe that issue is celebrating the end of LBJ's first term or his fourth, with Kennedy having never been assassinated or even president. When dealing with alternate realities, literally anything could be inside those pages, depicting a very much altered world history.
The other problem I have with this theory is your assumption that it is the arrival of the mutants that brought about the changes to the culture and environment of NYC of the First Steps film. I kind of agree with you that divorcing Magneto from his Holocaust backstory takes away the essence of his character. In the same vein, an essential part of the X-Men is that their appearance was met with fear and distrust. Can anyone think of the X-Men without some person on the street yelling "Mutie!" That fear of the unknown is baked into that comics DNA. So to believe that the arrival of the X-Men brought about this George Jetson style NYC doesn't gel with the fear of mutants that is core to the X-Men. Consider this - look at a photo of the NYC skyline. You'll see buildings completed in 2010's; you'll see buildings built in the 1970's; the 1950's; the 1930's; and with the Flat Iron Building, completed in 1902! When I look at the city scape in First Steps, the thing that struck me (no pun intended) was how homogenous the future city looks. Yes there are some famous 30's and younger buildings, such as the Empire State, the Chrysler and Flat Iron; but pretty much the rest of the city is futuristic, which is pretty incredible. There's a reason why today, the Manhattan skyline doesn't look like majority One WTC (Freedom Tower) or like the original WTC complex, built between '66 and '75 because massively overhauling a city's skyline doesn't take place overnight but gradually. The predominance of futuristic buildings suggests to me that there was something catastrophic that happened that destroyed a lot of buildings - remember the reason why OneWTC buildings exist in our universe is that the original WTC towers were destroyed in 2001. The hayday of the skyscraper buildings that now dominate the NY skyline was 1880's to 1930's, with continual building but at a slower pace up until now. Something in the First Steps universe had to have happened to the majority of the skyscrapers but which oddly left some of the taller more iconic buildings intact. Again go back to the original WTC, whose twin buildings massively towered over lower Manhattan, which was one of the reasons why they were targeted. So that leaves a gap between the Chrysler and Empire State building style of the 30's and the futuristic buildings present in the 60's. That suggests to me that something majorly different happened in the 40's-50's that overhauled so much of the buildings. Sounds like WWII was massively different than in our timeline, or maybe it never happened at all - maybe their time traveling Deadpool killed their Baby Hitler. Maybe we had contact with an alien race, which could account for the huge leap in technology. In the poster for First Steps we see HERBIE, a robot more advanced than any we can make in our universe now and way way way more advanced than the computers of our 1960's, which were huge machines taking up a large amount of space but with very minimal computing power. Whatever the cause of the divergence between universes, I'm willing to bet it's something else besides the arrival of the X-Men a few months earlier or even the arrival of super heroes a couple of years prior.
You're calling it the Magneto problem, but wouldn't it be Magneto and Professor X. Maybe I was misunderstanding, but I though that they were approximately the same age. I know Charles wasn't a holocaust victim, but if cannon has established them to be the same age, I would think that the same delema would apply. His sister could be explained for being locked away in the Void.
I agree. Magneto and Xavier should always go together, they are like ying and yang of a story
39sec ago is crazy😅
Stan Lee said “ Excelsior “ when Thor gave him the 1000 year old alcohol in Age Of Ultron
This definitely solves the magneto problem. I love this idea. And it won’t be as if mutants were hiding this entire time. Post secret wars is going to be crazy
Sadly, there are plenty of other atrocities since WWII that Magneto's origin COULD be tied to, instead. However, mutants, it has always been established in the comics, are hardier than ordinary humans by varying degrees. They even all have a minor healing factor (nothing like Wolverine, but enough to keep them from dying from internal bleeding from being beaten up in a fight, for example. So mutants having longer lives wouldn't even be a stretch.
I think there is multiple ways to have a Magneto that originated in the MCU 616. I know that this particular idea would skip a lot of set up for the X-Men/Mutants, but they could easily state that Xavier had been manipulating the situation by "hiding" all mutants for their protection to wait for a better time to become known. To the point where the universe is attempting to correct that by having mutants pop up still, like Ms. Marvel. Yes, that would mean we would have Mutants already established within the MCU but then they could have any age range they wanted. This could also play into the concept of Magneto doing what he thinks is right and fighting against Xavier. Magneto always states "We already tried your way Charles" like 30 seconds after the start of attempting to try Xavier's method(s). This would allow ground work for Xavier's plan to see a full attempt and for Magneto to not go with what Xavier wants do to failing already. It's not the best way as it skips the foundational time period(s) of characters and just plops them into the MCU with no set up, but it is a method.
There was a vocal group Fantastic Four that formed in 1965.
Reed and Doom meeting when on the Manhattan project?
All I want is Henry as Magneto from X-Men97 to play him as a character somewhere somehow.
Maybe Strange had a dream that the fantastic 4 actually did chart in the 60s but just in a diff universe
Yes you can alter Magnetos back story. Ultimate X-Men did it. But I think they won't do it. Maybe Magnetos body in the softreboot MCU was altered some time ago (like in the comics, by the mutant Alpha I think) or he ages differently because of it's powers (hey, it's a comic book movie).
I really like your theory since I would love to see an MCU that’s closer to the comics. And I think the reason everything is so advanced is that Reed and the Future Foundation have accelerated the pace of science and technology.
P.S. As I just Tweeted/Xed you, it's possible Strange was talking about the Fantastic Four R&B band, who *did* chart in the '60s!!!
jeeeeeeeezzz did not realize the 60s had hits after hits
I think you meant the Mephisto Problem.
Mephisto All Along
I think you guys nailed it. Well done
So what if first steps is actually them restarting before secret wars. The mcu 616 is actually a screwed time line because of kang. And the fantastic fours timeline is the one to save?
It just seems to me that during secret wars there should be heroes from all over each timeline. Just based on the fact that the MCU has shown that in the multiverse everything is happening simultaneously.
Kinda had the feeling that the sequel would be titled Second Life and Third Choice
Bugs me to hear Doom’s Time Platform called a “door.” It was originally called a platform, the term timedoor wasn’t used until much later, and as a way to describe what the platform form does (creates time doors).
This was great! Can't wait!
You could say.... Magento is a Nexus Character.
As much as we loved the journey and all the accomplishments Marvel has made over the last 15 years I would find it hilarious if everything leading up till now was just a prequel or an origin story to set up the Fantastic Four and a true Marvel Cinematic Universe based off them being the first superhero family and which would fall in line with them wanting to make this all a true reboot and start fresh Kevin is still in his fifties and he'll probably hold on to the title for at least 20 more years
I really want,hope ,wish and believe that the f4 60's universe will be the next og marvel universe after secret wars which have all marvel characters in it,the complete version
Magneto has been de-aged at least twice if I recall correctly.
It could work since you could argue that the current MCU is really more like the Ultimate Universe. The Avengers we got really were closer to the Ultimates.
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Great theory about how Marvel will solve the Magneto problem!
In the comics, Magneto was de-aged at least once.
In Krakoa, they're bringing people back from the dead.
Maybe magnetism gives him longer life!
Keeping him from WWII is easy, honestly....hell my MIL is 98, and still kicking, so it's not unheard of....she's no supervillain, but still!
Dr Dooms time door (which looks futuristic) + 60’s reference = Marvel was telling us??? Just a thought 😅
Actually, there was a singing group from Detroit in the 60's called the Fantastic Four.
Magneto’s X gene slows his aging. Much less convoluted way to solve the “Magneto problem”
All they need to do is say MAgneto's powers have made him age slowly. They change every other damn thing, this shouldn't be a big deal
Fun fact: "The Fantastic Four" did chart in the 60s
I think secret wars will end in a sort of collision between universes leading to a reset of sorts where all our main characters remember the past timeline but no one else does and having this reset move the timeline a few years back could allow magneto to maintain his origin aswell as establishing mutants as a pre existing species instead of having them appear out the blue.
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When u said Reed used Doom’s time gate. I wonder if the Doom were going to see was part of the Illuminati.
For a retro futuristic society as is pitched for the setting, the world's technology had to have progressed at a much faster rate to have hover cars by the year 1963. So the historical events would look vastly different to own own historical events to better first they're rate if technological progression. So not only does magneto have a slightly different origin but so does everyone else.
The one tragedy from recent history that could be used for Magneto is the genocide in Bosnia/Herzegovina.
There are lots of tragedies, mate, but they won't change his Jewish origins
@@SsickMusic I doubt they will change that as well, but the closest modern European tragedy (which is what was asked for) is the Bosnia incident. So if they were to set aside the Jewish heritage, that would be a solid option.
The Magneto problem is a good point and having him come from the F4 universe would be a logical way to bring him into the 616….But they don’t have to stay true to the comic origin imo
I bet dr doom/ Victor is the marvel equivalent of the Oppenheimer. And that’s why the world is like that
My theory is that in this FF universe, the capacitor never gets invented and nuclear power and fusion becomes the dominant technology. Reed does the math and sees that humanity only has ~114 years left, and creates a way to travel interdimensionally to find a way to stave off impending nuclear war.
fingers crossed they play december, 1963 by frankie valli in the movie, i think itd fit the vibe of johnny taking ben out to meet someone after getting thing-ed out
magneto can be healed and de-aged by exposure to earth electromagnetic field. in the x-men animated series he used his powers so much he was falling apart on the molecular level and was thrown out of the airlock on asteroid M in an assassination attempt. He later came back stronger than ever as the earth healed him.
The first 4 times i clicked on this video YT loaded the report page for child endangerment instead.
I have an idea about how they can introduce Magneto in the mcu have him be in a sleep pod and having awaken early enough where he can be around the age of him in the comics well not having any plot holes and have like Professor X discover him and free him have him be someone who was kidnapped by Hydra just like Bucky and then there's no plot holes
I don't see the mutants making a big showing in F4, but it would be great to get Magneto.
Well, then even Charles Xavier... Why not ..