To help beginners in the licencing process you as a shooting school owner could develop a shotgun competent certificate for them to show the licencing department
You don't need a competency certificate for a shotgun certificate. This should not be encouraged as police forces will start saying it's mandatory and it will act as anther hurdle and stop new applicants coming into the sport. Everyone is intituled to a shotgun certificate unless the Police have empirical reasoning for refusal, for example an actual conviction of criminal offence which has gone to trial and a verdict passed. Any police force or officer who inhibits your right to go about lawful activity should be reported to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC).
God you poor blokes in the UK! Come visit us in the US we would love to have you. God speed! Taking your advice, I will show this to every gun owner here in the US so they can see just how good we have it! Thank God for the Second Amendment!
Thank god for freedom I couldn't live there there's no reason for any of this it's like asking people that withdraw money from there accounts but why my friends say it for hookers to the women in the bank my question is why yes it's controll so controll the boarder very dangerous and the criminals controll these important things
Applied for my license on 2nd March, had a call from the FEO this week scheduling the visit for 27th April - happy to at least hear from them rather than being left in the dark. I would love for this to be improved, the communication is awful. In this day and age you should be able to track the process online; application recived, application under review, FEO visit scheduled etc. It's an archaic system currently. I've been having lessons since sept '21 and i've had one game day, so hopefully this all goes in my favour. Fingers crossed the license arrives quickly after the visit! Cambs constabulary btw!
I Have been shooting for years and i know a new shooter and he told me he was told to have so many lessons & proof of the lessons before his certificate was granted !!!
Thanks for the comment this is not right and should be taken further please give David a call on 01844 238 308 we may be abbe to help you. Thanks TSC Team.
My doctor took £60 when I gave them the Medical Pro forma form - then 3 weeks later sent it back - blank - saying we don't deal with shotgun applications - keeping the money of course, and knowing full well they were not going to fill it in - so I had to force them to give me my medical history using the freedom of information act, and then sent my notes to ShootCert to fill out my medical form. Then I applied to Staffordshire Firearms in June for my certificate. I JUST had my visit - after making an official complaint on the Police website and also to my MP. There needs to be a standard set which all GP's and Police forces have to abide by - at present it is a big mess - with them all making up their own rules and interpreting things any way they wish - while ignoring the actual law and Home Office guidance.
A Doctor's certificate is NOT a statutory requirement it is part of Home Office Advice to Police Forces. An applicant makes a declaration on the form as to his health and signs to allow the Police to access the Medical Record if they feel it necessary to do so. The Police have now decided that they will treat it as Law. You soon won't be able to get a Variation to a Firearms Certificate without a Papal Blessing!
Doctor opinion is not a statutory, but is a part of advice to cops - ergo: IT IS STATUTORY, MANDATORY, NECCESSARY and must be. Without such paper no police force give you SGC. AMEN.
The Home Office guidance is statutory guidance. Police must stick to it by law. As the requirement for a medical certificate is a requirement within that statutory guidance, it is a statutory requirement. This isn't a hard concept to grasp.
I paid £45, my mate paid £180 for a surgery less than 5 miles from mine, ridiculous, however West Yorkshire Police are really great, the process and time, plus the personal help is above and beyond what I expected
As an American fan of British gun culture and a gun lover in a not so gun friendly state (NJ) I feel it's the same sort of plan that's needed. All those who want to be licensed need to go get it, need to train and practice no matter what other may say. We have to encourage our kids friends neighbors and anyone who will listen to come an learn. We need to organize and demand our politicians listen to us or lose our votes and back legal challenges when possible.
Being American and a fan of british gun "culture" is pure lunacy. You CAN'T love british oppression, gun restrictions and leftism, unless you are the leftist. You are NOT "right" nor "patriot". Is nothing such gun culture in the UK - just tight control! If you live in the anti-gun, dems led state, just grab your belongings and leave! Red, Conservative, true Right and Patriotic states calling you.
Just received mine in Hertfordshire, my doctor outright refused to sign the medical form because they are a "christian" practice.... so I had to do a subject access request and then pay a private doctor to sign the form. The police were the easy part. Now to shoot some clays!
@@TSCTheshootingchannel the doctor actually can. Look at the GMC and BMA’s guidance on this. Surprisingly ‘conscientious objection’ is a basis for refusing to provide a report. If they were purporting to do so on the basis that, for example, the patient was Muslim then that would be discrimination on the basis of a protected characteristic and entirely improper. But not on the basis they’ve said!
After finding your channel I've now got mine, we defo need to keep access rights within the sport, £25 doctors and 5 weeks wait time 👍 I'll be down to the school soon to hopefully buy my first shotgun
I applied for my shotgun license 2 months ago …i rang South Yorkshire firearms..they told me they still sorting backlog October 2021 so god know when it’s my turn
That's the biggest problem in this country.. No solidarity! Shooting sports are all sports be it clay shooting, bench, center fire, rim fire or practical etc. But most are fractured with one group not liking that discipline or another. We need a community that looks out for each other regardless of what you prefer to shoot. Look at the last time we got our chance to have our say and with the amount of legal gun owners out there only a small percentage even filled it out! And then we wonder why we have no clout out there. Until we truly band together we will always be on the loosing end of these discussions.
whether your local force require experience or not, lincolnshire did, have a couple of clay shooting lessons, it will teach basic safety and point you in the right direction
Application went in for renewal did it online on the 7th of December as my cert ran out on the 2nd of march had an 8 week extension as staffs police are behind so I believe didn’t require doctors report didn’t give you the option on my application just had to sign to give them permission to contact my doctors I helped my friend the other night to do his online and now there is a box where you have to drag and drop your doctors pro thingy
I’m just putting in for my shotgun licence and been told it will be anywhere from 6 months to a year with Avon and Somerset police, anyone had any experience with them recently?
hi im trying to get my doctor to sign the form and he does not do it so i have contacted the police and they say any doctor even off line why is this so hard and any doctor just wants to make money off us and if its any doctor he does not know me
Re medical information from a doctor, there is no need to pay any money to a surgery for information held about yourself. Under GDPR regulations you are entitled to make a request to have access to any records kept by them free of charge. This is a legal entitlement
I can not fault Derbyshire police. I applied for a variation on my fac and had it back within 6 weeks. Good communication all the way through the process
Most of the people I know in Scotland get variations back within a week or two. But Police Scotland seems to be well ahead of almost every other force in the UK when it comes to licencing.
Handed my forms in a year ago and the process is just being wrapped up now. Everything has been sent to the chief inspector now I’m waiting on a final answer. Also I paid £65 for my medical report and it had to be done twice.
I've been waiting almost 3 months for the GP medical, let alone the actual waiting time of the application. I've been having lessons every other Saturday since I requested the medical and fingers crossed everything goes smoothly. My constabulary is Kent Police and I've been told they're within the margins of about 60 days in total (maybe I'll be lucky).
@@stevensexton962, I did chase them and was told "it's a not a priority, the doctor does them when they can". Then got an email the other week to say it's been outsourced to another company for them to collate and sort. 🤦♂️
I’ve heard from someone i know who was in the metropolitan firearms licensing area that they wouldn’t give them there license until they had lessons which is completely wrong of them to impose there own interpretation of there ideas of the law and what they want
David. I have to say in fairness, Leicestershire Firearms Section dealt with my SGC renewal during the Covid situation brilliantly! Perhaps we are missing the point that having a Shotgun Certificate and the right to own shotguns is a legitimate right, so long as the applicant has no criminal history. The need to have a Doctor to say OK has now been slipped in the door. We should simply accord with requirements of the firearms act, and robustly challenge any change to that without legislation. 'Going the extra mile' will just lead to more restrictions, which will become requirements, as is the case with FAC ownership. i.e. Mandatory club membership; proof of training etc. etc..
.ive been waiting since November 18th for mine, I’ve not even been contacted by Leicestershire police for my shotgun grant. I’ve had 15 lessons at kibworth.
This analysis is flawed. There is no legal ‘right’ to own either a shotgun or a firearm. The only ‘right’ are the usual administrative law rights to the police making rational decisions taking into account relevant factors, ignoring irrelevant factors, applying the legal tests correctly and doing so in good faith. That’s is also a right to an appeal to the Crown Court if we disagree with a decision. It’s also wrong to suggest that the requirement for a doctor’s letter is somehow contrary to or outwith the scope of the Firearms Act 1968 and it’s associated legislation. The Act itself provides for the power for statutory guidance to be formulated that decisions makers must follow. It is that guidance that imports the need for medical information to be considered. Ensuring that applicants don’t suffer from medical conditions that put them and the public at risk is a perfectly legitimate aim. Even in the US and among most Republicans it is accepted that giving people with serious mental health issues is a bad idea. The process is currently executed badly but that doesn’t mean the concept is flawed.
I applied for my SGC back on the 29th of January, my home visit was the 30th of May, the officer said I will probably have to wait 2 to 3 months for my cert through the post, is this normal?
Unfortunately my GP wanted to charge £250 for my medical certificate. There was no way I was paying that for a simple piece of admin so I went to Shoot Cert. Super easy, fast and efficient service for £75! Wholeheartedly recommend them. Strathclyde Police were no bother at all. My FEO was helpful, informative generally pleasant to deal with. Over all, the process was fine (except my GP🤬). I would urge our US friends to adopt something similar to try cut down on the all too regular, horrendous tragedies experienced there.
Hello David, I applied to renew my license, all on line, scanning this in, scanning that in, paid the fee then heard nothing for weeks and weeks. I then chased it up by email and got a response a few days later asking me was I still the owner of the three guns listed below. When I looked at the list I owned one of them !! I've never owned or had the makes of the other two listed !! I emailed back listing the three I own, a week later she lady phoned my referee up and a week or so later my license came through, Very bizarre. It seemed that the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing. And I carnt remember the last time I had a fao check my cabinet or guns either. Not great.
hi adam mines up for renewal soon, could you tell me is it like applying for your first one ,ie do they ask for all convictions from before or just if you have any in the previous five years etc ,thanks clive
@@clivedewhirst it was just a standard form from what I remember, asking the usual questions, you get your doctor's paperwork and the downloaded form, fill it in and scan it and send it off. I think you pay your money beforehand. But to be honest the bloody faff if doing it went on and on and on. I carnt remember that well, because it took that bloody long, it was a joke. It was weeks and weeks. And then to be asked if I owned a Winchester and a Beretta ???? When I've never owned either one listed !!! That was a bit worrying. Good luck 👍
Those in the US take note of this. Once you add in the fees for a Shooting School, Doctors Note, and the Shotgun license you are talking about 500 pounds to just be able to own a shotgun. You have not even purchased a shotgun. And David thinks Shooting is inexpensive. Every single legislator you are considering voting for must pass the "gun Test". If he is Anti Gun DO NOT VOTE FOR THAT CANDIDATE. For those in England, you have a tougher road to walk. You have already allowed these laws to be passed. Now is the time to start standing up for yourself and start to demand that this ridiculous Law be rescinded. BTW, America's 2nd Amendment is based on an Article in the Magna Carta in 1215 in good old England. That being the right to Maintain and Carry Arms for Defense of King, Country, and Self. As a descendant of English Settlers I am saddened that the British people still bow down for anything their government tells them.
From what I've read it says online that the police contact the doctor and send it directly to them as its part of the rules that it must not be touched by yourself or anyone other than the doctors sending it to avoid being tampered with
Hi Dave I put in for my licence in Dec 21 and had an email to say it would be 6 months minimum waiting. You've said 56 days should get a licences but I've also heard if you hassle them to try and hurry up process you get put back to the queue? Is it worth me phoning them to try and hurry the licence up ? I'm in a club and shoot twice a week by borrowing guns. Many thanks. Andy.
I’m curious to find out if anyone has had any recent (within the last 12-18months) experience with North Yorkshire Police regarding a shotgun certificate and the timescale from sending application off to interview with FAO and acceptance/rejection of application. I sent off my application for a shotgun licence a week ago and am wondering if anyone has gone through the process themselves and has any helpful information.
Send mine off to West Murcia police 9 weeks ago and rang them up last week too see what’s going on and they told me they are still doing Decembers applications
Good Morning Mr Jones, In response to your email I can advise that your application has been received. Once initial checks have been made the application will progress to the next stage. You will then be required to have a grant interview with one of our firearms enquiry officers. As soon as they have availability they will be in contact to arrange a suitable time for your interview. We ae currently processing grant applications received in the middle of December 2021. Kind Regards Karren Ranford Senior Caseworker | Firearms Licensing | West Mercia Police Malvern Police Station Victoria Road Malvern WR14 2TE
Hi all! It took me six months to get my cert which I thought was not too bad, gave me time to try a few guns to see what I would probably purchase. The FAO was great, came round had a chat checked to see where I was going to store my cabinet etc. All pretty good really. I was at a shoot in North Devon and I was chatting to some lads from Essex who told me that some of the guys had to wait over a year for their certificates. I am based in the South West and a friend of mine applied in Aug 2021 and still no visit etc. This does seem to be an issue that needs sorting out. Good luck!
Went shooting for the first time yesterday for a stag doo. Did really well and hit 22 out of 25, now im cruising youtube to figure out how i can do it again and on my own terms. Whats the typical cost I would have to outlay for first year in the sport, supposing i wanted my own gun, safe, licenses and membership?
My application was turned down after one year and they gave reason that I live in a high crime rate area and someone who had similar name as mine did some domestic violence. The dates they gave I was not in the country when that violence was reported. I am appealing the decision. What do you suggest
Received a phone call from the Warwickshire fire arms office today after applying for my shot gun license a few months back. I have no doubt that this officer had no intention of issuing me a fire arm certificate. His manner on the phone was horrendous. I have no criminal record or any good reason to not be issued a certificate. I’ve heard similar stories from friend which have applied for their licenses and were allocated the same officer. I await my decision letter but one thing is becoming increasingly clear the police do not want you to have a fire arms license and they will do everything in their power to stop you from having one. Unfortunately this sport is only going in one direction and that’s smaller and more restricted. It’s a real shame hopefully I will be successful second time round but I severely doubt it. If anyone has some advice I’m all ears !
Good video as always. Can I submit my online shotgun renewal, upload my photo, pay for it then at a later date when the GP profoma is ready, upload that or email it with say a 2 week period in between ? I have 5 weeks left till it expires. Thanks
It seems to me covd is the biggest get out clause I've ever heard of. I applied in January for my renewal certificate in March I'm still waiting . I rang Hull at the end of March who said it was approved and I just had to wait for Scunthorpe police to come and do a house check .It's now April and I'm still waiting .I tried ringing to say I'm in anytime for a visit but I can't get through on the phone so I rang Hull to see if they could give me a number but they said they didn't have one but would send an email on my behalf . Still waiting!!.like you said we are not bad irresponsible people we are trying to keep our hobby\sport alive .
I have waited basically a year since I submitted my shotgun licence application to Dorset police. I have no criminal record and a clean GP report. In the end, I wrote to the Dorset PCC to complain and also contacted the BASC. That seems to have got things moving along as I heard absolutely nothing. Given it is your legal right to own a firearm should you meet the criteria, I think it's an absolute disgrace that the police are taking so long to process applications. The cynics amongst us, would start thinking that they are doing it own purpose so as to discourage individuals trying to enter the sport.
Is it legal for a citizen of the Uk to use a licensed firearm in self defence/home protection? Like I’m in danger I have a gun I can use it is that legal if I’m not a farmer and do not own my home or land it’s on or is it still criminal discharge basically?
Hello every I wonder if you could explain something to me. I apply for a Shotgun certificate. Recently I received an email with refusal. Explaining that there was no stamp from GP ona for. Also because I'm from abroad and I live in UK for 12 years and they want 30 years of medical record. Do the Police really need my medical record from another country, ? Thanks for info
A friend of mine in Cornwall applied for her shotgun certificate in September 2021 and has heard absolutely nothing from the firearms team and no replies to her emails. 8 months and counting !
Having major issues getting any GP or doctor to sign the medical proforma. My GP wont do it and can't find any private GP that will do it. On top of that, Northumbria police are telling me the turnaround time once the application is in, is 14-16 months which is an absolute joke.
Hi I’m 15 and have applied for my shotgun licence I was wondering if I’m granted it how I will get my gun. Neither of my parents are licence holders but I know people who do. Just wondering if anyone knows how I will if I get it
No it costs £79.50 plus the amount GPs want which in my case was £70, some police forced don't want fully GMC registered consultants but insist on GPs (who charge), plus cabinet plus plus plus then YOU don't open on sundays probably because the council refuses to let you due to noise regulations etc - so I don't see any point. Seriously - people want to shoot sundays, not saturdays. You are in Oxford where you know rental is predominant except for the wealthy. How do you think my landlord reacted to the idea of getting a shotgun cabinet bolted to his walls? I retracted my application and won't bother. You are right that shooting is dying, and its pretty obvious why.
I applied for my SGC the week after my first lesson, I'm renewing my membership at the shooting school next month. Still no certificate. I'm going to speak to Basc in Harrogate as I'm a member so I hope they will advise me.
"My" (I've been registered at a medical centre for 36 years and none of the doctors know me) doctor never replied so the certificate lad asked for my wive's mobile number. My wife and I are separated and isn't it a good thing we still have a good relationship? She made it clear that I'm stable and wouldn't hurt a hair on her head and I have a cert and a couple of guns the past three years. It was a no reply doctor work around if your ex isn't vindictive! BTW She wanted to have a look at my over and under and when she had a go at mounting it....leaning back🤣......she said "It's a lovely pistol". 😂😂 He wanted me to have a lesson first, which I did, and he subsequently contacted the instructor.
Something the sport must have is a much larger and openly public friendly presence on main stream TV and all media platforms. We need to have a loud voice, someone within the world of documentaries and TV sport, to take on an educational and spectator coverage aspect of the sport in all its forms. If we have covered darts, snooker and golf, why not Clay shooting at least? Alongside this, we must present an educational front to take our sport into schools to at least begin to explain what the sport is and how it works. As a body, we are sooooo far behind the world and not maximising the technology or media platforms that exist. In order to break down the hate and barriers which the public see in news stories and an anti gun culture, we have to get more people on side. When was the last time we channel hopped and discovered a shooting TV Channel or coverage of a big European or British clay tournament? When did any sports news presenter trot out the scores for a big shooting competition as a normal part of a sports round up of the weekend? When did you ever see a camera crew at Bisley, to cover a target shooting competition such as the the Imperial match and Queen's Prize? Where are our sports men and women represented to the wider public? Occasionally, at a commonwealth games or Olympics but not part of the day to day experiences of the public. No, it's all hidden and largely a mystery, shrouded in some dark assumed link in the minds of the British public, that gun ownership and shooting is only linked to crime and bad things. Until we master this, our days are marked out in handfuls, as the growing WOKE and anti gun culture grows rapidly. Add to this the negative impacts of endless new legislation, confusion and even negative press within the industry, and we are already well on the back foot. Anyone out there who has influence, works in the media and who loves shooting sports, must try to help. It would be a huge step in the right direction. Educate, enthuse and normalise. De-myth and demystify the whole world of safe and legally maintained shooting sports and we stand a chance. The clock is ticking ever faster at present...
My doctors flatly refused to provide certificate so am forced to rely on an online service , so someone who has never treated or met me will decide just by reading medical notes
@@TSCTheshootingchannelWhether we like it or not, completing firearms certificate forms is not part of a GP's current contract, so they are under no obligation to engage with the process. Taking them to court would achieve absolutely nothing beyond emptying your wallet. We need to pressure government into making engaging part of the GP contract, then they would have to do it.
My doctors surgery (locally here in Oxfordshire) has quoted £132 for an initial application and £66 for a repeat...has something changed in what they have to do or are they just setting their own price to put people off?
@@TSCTheshootingchannel What more is there to say. This is very current, only found out at the start of the week after I enquired over the weekend what the process and cost was - a bit taken aback to be honest. Keep up the good work. Not been to shoot with you guys in a long time, but hoping to be back soon…
Hi David, have you seen the application section for Hampshire constabulary. They are currently saying due to demand and covid the recommend not to apply unless needed as the GP certificate only lasts 6 months.... Do you have a Twitter to show you the screen shot as it's disgraceful. Wanted to get a license and take up the sport for over 2 years and unless renewing it seems people of Hampshire have not been able to apply for new licences.
Does it matter if you haven’t had and criminal convictions for over 10 years I have a criminal back ground but never served over 2 years at once and I haven’t been arrested in 10 years I have adhd aswell but am no risk or threat to anyone I want to start going shooting at weekends
Late finding this video. It's quite difficult to get involved in the sport as a young person. Most young people don't own a house that they can install a cabinet inside of. Leaving us at the mercy of the letting agents/landlords. If anyone has any sensible tips, please share.
I’m not quite sure but I would imagine you could be granted one providing you are in sound mind and do not have any criminal conversations. Disabilities and illnesses should not be held against you providing you are safe with a firearm
However…if you’ve been living overseas and then come back and apply for a shotgun certificate, you’ll be told you don’t have 10 years CONTIGUOUS GP history. So even though I’ve held Shotgun and FA licences overseas, you won’t be granted one. Very very annoying.
To help beginners in the licencing process you as a shooting school owner could develop a shotgun competent certificate for them to show the licencing department
I completely agree with the reply made by Phil Davis
You don't need a competency certificate for a shotgun certificate. This should not be encouraged as police forces will start saying it's mandatory and it will act as anther hurdle and stop new applicants coming into the sport. Everyone is intituled to a shotgun certificate unless the Police have empirical reasoning for refusal, for example an actual conviction of criminal offence which has gone to trial and a verdict passed. Any police force or officer who inhibits your right to go about lawful activity should be reported to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC).
That is just stupid .It is a legal right to have a shotgun
God you poor blokes in the UK! Come visit us in the US we would love to have you. God speed! Taking your advice, I will show this to every gun owner here in the US so they can see just how good we have it! Thank God for the Second Amendment!
I'm so glad we have our system in the UK and not the disaster that is the US!
Did someone mention the poor in england the 70 persent since the invasion
Thank god for the 2nd amendment and freedom to protect yourself
Thank god for freedom I couldn't live there there's no reason for any of this it's like asking people that withdraw money from there accounts but why my friends say it for hookers to the women in the bank my question is why yes it's controll so controll the boarder very dangerous and the criminals controll these important things
@@michaelplank8966 what 70 "persent"? You think 70% of England is poor? Hahahaha
Applied for my license on 2nd March, had a call from the FEO this week scheduling the visit for 27th April - happy to at least hear from them rather than being left in the dark. I would love for this to be improved, the communication is awful. In this day and age you should be able to track the process online; application recived, application under review, FEO visit scheduled etc. It's an archaic system currently.
I've been having lessons since sept '21 and i've had one game day, so hopefully this all goes in my favour. Fingers crossed the license arrives quickly after the visit!
Cambs constabulary btw!
Is archaic with purpose.
I Have been shooting for years and i know a new shooter and he told me he was told to have so many lessons & proof of the lessons before his certificate was granted !!!
Thanks for the comment this is not right and should be taken further please give David a call on 01844 238 308 we may be abbe to help you. Thanks TSC Team.
My doctor took £60 when I gave them the Medical Pro forma form - then 3 weeks later sent it back - blank - saying we don't deal with shotgun applications - keeping the money of course, and knowing full well they were not going to fill it in - so I had to force them to give me my medical history using the freedom of information act, and then sent my notes to ShootCert to fill out my medical form. Then I applied to Staffordshire Firearms in June for my certificate. I JUST had my visit - after making an official complaint on the Police website and also to my MP. There needs to be a standard set which all GP's and Police forces have to abide by - at present it is a big mess - with them all making up their own rules and interpreting things any way they wish - while ignoring the actual law and Home Office guidance.
A Doctor's certificate is NOT a statutory requirement it is part of Home Office Advice to Police Forces. An applicant makes a declaration on the form as to his health and signs to allow the Police to access the Medical Record if they feel it necessary to do so. The Police have now decided that they will treat it as Law. You soon won't be able to get a Variation to a Firearms Certificate without a Papal Blessing!
Give them an inch and they take the piss .The police are a power unto themselves
Doctor opinion is not a statutory, but is a part of advice to cops - ergo: IT IS STATUTORY, MANDATORY, NECCESSARY and must be. Without such paper no police force give you SGC. AMEN.
The Home Office guidance is statutory guidance. Police must stick to it by law. As the requirement for a medical certificate is a requirement within that statutory guidance, it is a statutory requirement. This isn't a hard concept to grasp.
I’m pretty lucky, my GP only charged me £25 and my experience with Merseyside police has always been good with both renewals and variations.
I paid £45, my mate paid £180 for a surgery less than 5 miles from mine, ridiculous, however West Yorkshire Police are really great, the process and time, plus the personal help is above and beyond what I expected
As an American fan of British gun culture and a gun lover in a not so gun friendly state (NJ) I feel it's the same sort of plan that's needed. All those who want to be licensed need to go get it, need to train and practice no matter what other may say. We have to encourage our kids friends neighbors and anyone who will listen to come an learn. We need to organize and demand our politicians listen to us or lose our votes and back legal challenges when possible.
Being American and a fan of british gun "culture" is pure lunacy. You CAN'T love british oppression, gun restrictions and leftism, unless you are the leftist. You are NOT "right" nor "patriot". Is nothing such gun culture in the UK - just tight control! If you live in the anti-gun, dems led state, just grab your belongings and leave! Red, Conservative, true Right and Patriotic states calling you.
Don't live there go to Texas or Florida I won't go to California it's as bad as england but there's plenty of criminals
Thanks for the information and all your hard work making these videos. (from the USA)
Applied for mine first week of October 21, haven't heard anything yet in 26wks, had a sec1 for nearly 25yrs.
Just received mine in Hertfordshire, my doctor outright refused to sign the medical form because they are a "christian" practice.... so I had to do a subject access request and then pay a private doctor to sign the form. The police were the easy part. Now to shoot some clays!
What was wrong with doctor? Christianfobia?
In herts too, had to go to medicert as local said 200 quid to sign
I cannot think of any passage in the Bible that prohibits the shooting of clay pigeons
Take your doctor to cord they can not do that they work for us we are the tax player. TSC Team
@@TSCTheshootingchannel the doctor actually can. Look at the GMC and BMA’s guidance on this. Surprisingly ‘conscientious objection’ is a basis for refusing to provide a report. If they were purporting to do so on the basis that, for example, the patient was Muslim then that would be discrimination on the basis of a protected characteristic and entirely improper. But not on the basis they’ve said!
After finding your channel I've now got mine, we defo need to keep access rights within the sport, £25 doctors and 5 weeks wait time 👍 I'll be down to the school soon to hopefully buy my first shotgun
October 2020 Devon and Cornwall… was processed into the system in September 2021… had to chase them up to get them to tell me to do the medical forms…
Police scotland were superb in processing my application
So are greater Manchester
I applied for my shotgun license 2 months ago …i rang South Yorkshire firearms..they told me they still sorting backlog October 2021 so god know when it’s my turn
That's the biggest problem in this country.. No solidarity! Shooting sports are all sports be it clay shooting, bench, center fire, rim fire or practical etc. But most are fractured with one group not liking that discipline or another. We need a community that looks out for each other regardless of what you prefer to shoot. Look at the last time we got our chance to have our say and with the amount of legal gun owners out there only a small percentage even filled it out! And then we wonder why we have no clout out there. Until we truly band together we will always be on the loosing end of these discussions.
Applied 9 days ago, inspector comes round in 7 days making a total of 16 days. Essex way. Told they go by postcode.
My Dr claimed "conscientious objector" luckly it did not cause a problem with West Mids Police and they issued without it.
I was lucky and received mine within 7 weeks of applying in hertfordshire another good video david
we're lucky Staffordshire are on the ball 👍
I've applied for mine in Staffordshire, they took the cheque on the 5th of April bit not heard anything off them to say about it
I agree with you David to get lessons before I had £500 worth of lessons when I first applied as my ex land lord said do it and it would look better
Jesus your country is insane hear any United States can walk into a gun shop your background woke up 15 minutes later with a gun That is with any gun
I got my licence from Leicestershire Police last week. I applied in July so it took 9 months.
whether your local force require experience or not, lincolnshire did, have a couple of clay shooting lessons, it will teach basic safety and point you in the right direction
I’m so sorry you guys have to go through all this mess to even own a shotgun. Enjoying the content from the United States!
Good idea to get your safe gun badge through basc as well.
Application went in for renewal did it online on the 7th of December as my cert ran out on the 2nd of march had an 8 week extension as staffs police are behind so I believe didn’t require doctors report didn’t give you the option on my application just had to sign to give them permission to contact my doctors
I helped my friend the other night to do his online and now there is a box where you have to drag and drop your doctors pro thingy
Put mine in with sussex on the website it told me 24 weeks so just playing the waiting game 10 weeks in . Doctors where brilliant and charged me £30.
Same as me I am 8 weeks in in West Sussex
I was told to make sure I had a safe in place aswell as it will make it easier .
@@RunningIncolour have you heard anything yet?
I followed your advices and got a visit from FAO…wish me luck!
I’m just putting in for my shotgun licence and been told it will be anywhere from 6 months to a year with Avon and Somerset police, anyone had any experience with them recently?
It's the doctors that are the problem not the police....licence to print money. The system needs to be regulated!
hi im trying to get my doctor to sign the form and he does not do it so i have contacted the police and they say any doctor even off line why is this so hard and any doctor just wants to make money off us and if its any doctor he does not know me
Re medical information from a doctor, there is no need to pay any money to a surgery for information held about yourself. Under GDPR regulations you are entitled to make a request to have access to any records kept by them free of charge. This is a legal entitlement
Love the passion. Keep that and you will make changes
I can not fault Derbyshire police. I applied for a variation on my fac and had it back within 6 weeks. Good communication all the way through the process
Most of the people I know in Scotland get variations back within a week or two. But Police Scotland seems to be well ahead of almost every other force in the UK when it comes to licencing.
Brilliant video.
My doctor took £60 and Police Scotland took exactly 21 weeks to process my application.
Handed my forms in a year ago and the process is just being wrapped up now. Everything has been sent to the chief inspector now I’m waiting on a final answer. Also I paid £65 for my medical report and it had to be done twice.
I'm in North Yorkshire. They have told me 6 months minimum but likely a 2 year wait. I can't belive it.
I've been waiting almost 3 months for the GP medical, let alone the actual waiting time of the application. I've been having lessons every other Saturday since I requested the medical and fingers crossed everything goes smoothly. My constabulary is Kent Police and I've been told they're within the margins of about 60 days in total (maybe I'll be lucky).
I would give them a ring got mine from the doctor 1week later
@@stevensexton962, I did chase them and was told "it's a not a priority, the doctor does them when they can". Then got an email the other week to say it's been outsourced to another company for them to collate and sort. 🤦♂️
I’ve heard from someone i know who was in the metropolitan firearms licensing area that they wouldn’t give them there license until they had lessons which is completely wrong of them to impose there own interpretation of there ideas of the law and what they want
Well said 👍
David.
I have to say in fairness, Leicestershire Firearms Section dealt with my SGC renewal during the Covid situation brilliantly!
Perhaps we are missing the point that having a Shotgun Certificate and the right to own shotguns is a legitimate right, so long as the applicant has no criminal history.
The need to have a Doctor to say OK has now been slipped in the door.
We should simply accord with requirements of the firearms act, and robustly challenge any change to that without legislation.
'Going the extra mile' will just lead to more restrictions, which will become requirements, as is the case with FAC ownership. i.e. Mandatory club membership; proof of training etc. etc..
.ive been waiting since November 18th for mine, I’ve not even been contacted by Leicestershire police for my shotgun grant. I’ve had 15 lessons at kibworth.
This analysis is flawed. There is no legal ‘right’ to own either a shotgun or a firearm. The only ‘right’ are the usual administrative law rights to the police making rational decisions taking into account relevant factors, ignoring irrelevant factors, applying the legal tests correctly and doing so in good faith. That’s is also a right to an appeal to the Crown Court if we disagree with a decision. It’s also wrong to suggest that the requirement for a doctor’s letter is somehow contrary to or outwith the scope of the Firearms Act 1968 and it’s associated legislation. The Act itself provides for the power for statutory guidance to be formulated that decisions makers must follow. It is that guidance that imports the need for medical information to be considered. Ensuring that applicants don’t suffer from medical conditions that put them and the public at risk is a perfectly legitimate aim. Even in the US and among most Republicans it is accepted that giving people with serious mental health issues is a bad idea. The process is currently executed badly but that doesn’t mean the concept is flawed.
I applied for my SGC back on the 29th of January, my home visit was the 30th of May, the officer said I will probably have to wait 2 to 3 months for my cert through the post, is this normal?
I've been waiting since February for change of address. They said they will send me a letter in March. But I've had nothing yet.
Anyone on here applied with South Yorkshire police and how long the application took.
Unfortunately my GP wanted to charge £250 for my medical certificate. There was no way I was paying that for a simple piece of admin so I went to Shoot Cert. Super easy, fast and efficient service for £75! Wholeheartedly recommend them.
Strathclyde Police were no bother at all. My FEO was helpful, informative generally pleasant to deal with. Over all, the process was fine (except my GP🤬).
I would urge our US friends to adopt something similar to try cut down on the all too regular, horrendous tragedies experienced there.
Hello David, I applied to renew my license, all on line, scanning this in, scanning that in, paid the fee then heard nothing for weeks and weeks. I then chased it up by email and got a response a few days later asking me was I still the owner of the three guns listed below. When I looked at the list I owned one of them !! I've never owned or had the makes of the other two listed !! I emailed back listing the three I own, a week later she lady phoned my referee up and a week or so later my license came through, Very bizarre. It seemed that the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing. And I carnt remember the last time I had a fao check my cabinet or guns either. Not great.
hi adam mines up for renewal soon, could you tell me is it like applying for your first one ,ie do they ask for all convictions from before or just if you have any in the previous five years etc ,thanks clive
@@clivedewhirst it was just a standard form from what I remember, asking the usual questions, you get your doctor's paperwork and the downloaded form, fill it in and scan it and send it off. I think you pay your money beforehand. But to be honest the bloody faff if doing it went on and on and on. I carnt remember that well, because it took that bloody long, it was a joke. It was weeks and weeks. And then to be asked if I owned a Winchester and a Beretta ???? When I've never owned either one listed !!! That was a bit worrying. Good luck 👍
Just got a letter this morning from my doctors asking for £109 to provide the report!
Try shootcert
My doctor is wanting £200. I have complained to no avail so now I have to go down the road of private companies to verify my medical.
Those in the US take note of this. Once you add in the fees for a Shooting School, Doctors Note, and the Shotgun license you are talking about 500 pounds to just be able to own a shotgun. You have not even purchased a shotgun. And David thinks Shooting is inexpensive. Every single legislator you are considering voting for must pass the "gun Test". If he is Anti Gun DO NOT VOTE FOR THAT CANDIDATE.
For those in England, you have a tougher road to walk. You have already allowed these laws to be passed. Now is the time to start standing up for yourself and start to demand that this ridiculous Law be rescinded. BTW, America's 2nd Amendment is based on an Article in the Magna Carta in 1215 in good old England. That being the right to Maintain and Carry Arms for Defense of King, Country, and Self. As a descendant of English Settlers I am saddened that the British people still bow down for anything their government tells them.
Absolutely mate, from 🇬🇧
Applied for mine 2 nd February with the met not heard nothing yet doctor charged me £90 😱
From what I've read it says online that the police contact the doctor and send it directly to them as its part of the rules that it must not be touched by yourself or anyone other than the doctors sending it to avoid being tampered with
Not true. The applicant sends the form to the GP. The GP then sends it to the Police.
Just applied for my shotgun license doctor charged me 89 quid to fill the proforma in 🙄
Hi Dave I put in for my licence in Dec 21 and had an email to say it would be 6 months minimum waiting. You've said 56 days should get a licences but I've also heard if you hassle them to try and hurry up process you get put back to the queue? Is it worth me phoning them to try and hurry the licence up ? I'm in a club and shoot twice a week by borrowing guns. Many thanks. Andy.
I applied at the start of feb in kent and still to hear anything regarding it!
I’m curious to find out if anyone has had any recent (within the last 12-18months) experience with North Yorkshire Police regarding a shotgun certificate and the timescale from sending application off to interview with FAO and acceptance/rejection of application. I sent off my application for a shotgun licence a week ago and am wondering if anyone has gone through the process themselves and has any helpful information.
Send mine off to West Murcia police 9 weeks ago and rang them up last week too see what’s going on and they told me they are still doing Decembers applications
Good Morning Mr Jones,
In response to your email I can advise that your application has been received. Once initial checks have been made the application will progress to the next stage. You will then be required to have a grant interview with one of our firearms enquiry officers. As soon as they have availability they will be in contact to arrange a suitable time for your interview. We ae currently processing grant applications received in the middle of December 2021.
Kind Regards
Karren Ranford
Senior Caseworker | Firearms Licensing | West Mercia Police
Malvern Police Station
Victoria Road
Malvern
WR14 2TE
Cumbria police are still not able to issue certificates owing to installing a new computer system.
Is the doctors note a new thing or exclusive to mainland UK? I'm in Northern ireland and I didn't have to do that for my license!
Your firearms law is entirely separate to the rest of the UK.
It’s taken me 10 months so far but I’ve had my interview so nearly there I hope !
Hi all! It took me six months to get my cert which I thought was not too bad, gave me time to try a few guns to see what I would probably purchase. The FAO was great, came round had a chat checked to see where I was going to store my cabinet etc. All pretty good really. I was at a shoot in North Devon and I was chatting to some lads from Essex who told me that some of the guys had to wait over a year for their certificates. I am based in the South West and a friend of mine applied in Aug 2021 and still no visit etc. This does seem to be an issue that needs sorting out. Good luck!
Sw devon here also, I applied August 20th still nothing sadly
@@CatholicAventures hey Bud, I know It's been over a year and a half since you last applied. Did you manage to get the Certificate?
Went shooting for the first time yesterday for a stag doo. Did really well and hit 22 out of 25, now im cruising youtube to figure out how i can do it again and on my own terms. Whats the typical cost I would have to outlay for first year in the sport, supposing i wanted my own gun, safe, licenses and membership?
If B you email contactus@theshootingchannel.co.uk we can help you with this.
My application was turned down after one year and they gave reason that I live in a high crime rate area and someone who had similar name as mine did some domestic violence. The dates they gave I was not in the country when that violence was reported. I am appealing the decision. What do you suggest
They can not do that we do have a few people to speak to if you give us a call on 01844 238 308 and speak to David he will help you.
Live in south Wales and have been waiting 10 months, they refuse to give updates and i cant see the end at this point
Received a phone call from the Warwickshire fire arms office today after applying for my shot gun license a few months back. I have no doubt that this officer had no intention of issuing me a fire arm certificate. His manner on the phone was horrendous. I have no criminal record or any good reason to not be issued a certificate. I’ve heard similar stories from friend which have applied for their licenses and were allocated the same officer. I await my decision letter but one thing is becoming increasingly clear the police do not want you to have a fire arms license and they will do everything in their power to stop you from having one. Unfortunately this sport is only going in one direction and that’s smaller and more restricted. It’s a real shame hopefully I will be successful second time round but I severely doubt it.
If anyone has some advice I’m all ears !
I am really sorry about this and if you give David a call on 01844 238 308 on Monday he thinks he can help you with this.
My form has been with my Doctors for 2 weeks now. All i keep getting is it will be dealt wiht in due course
just been told by my Doctors that it will take another 3 weeks and cost is £120
Good video as always. Can I submit my online shotgun renewal, upload my photo, pay for it then at a later date when the GP profoma is ready, upload that or email it with say a 2 week period in between ? I have 5 weeks left till it expires. Thanks
It seems to me covd is the biggest get out clause I've ever heard of. I applied in January for my renewal certificate in March I'm still waiting . I rang Hull at the end of March who said it was approved and I just had to wait for Scunthorpe police to come and do a house check .It's now April and I'm still waiting .I tried ringing to say I'm in anytime for a visit but I can't get through on the phone so I rang Hull to see if they could give me a number but they said they didn't have one but would send an email on my behalf . Still waiting!!.like you said we are not bad irresponsible people we are trying to keep our hobby\sport alive .
Thanks for your comment it would be great to chat to you over the phone as this needs to stop Thanks TSC Team.
Did you receive your renewal in the end? How long did it take?
I have waited basically a year since I submitted my shotgun licence application to Dorset police. I have no criminal record and a clean GP report. In the end, I wrote to the Dorset PCC to complain and also contacted the BASC. That seems to have got things moving along as I heard absolutely nothing. Given it is your legal right to own a firearm should you meet the criteria, I think it's an absolute disgrace that the police are taking so long to process applications. The cynics amongst us, would start thinking that they are doing it own purpose so as to discourage individuals trying to enter the sport.
Is it legal for a citizen of the Uk to use a licensed firearm in self defence/home protection? Like I’m in danger I have a gun I can use it is that legal if I’m not a farmer and do not own my home or land it’s on or is it still criminal discharge basically?
Hello every I wonder if you could explain something to me. I apply for a Shotgun certificate. Recently I received an email with refusal. Explaining that there was no stamp from GP ona for. Also because I'm from abroad and I live in UK for 12 years and they want 30 years of medical record. Do the Police really need my medical record from another country, ? Thanks for info
Thank you for your comment if you give David a call he will help you with this as he does have a plan for this 01844 238 308.
9 months and still waiting for licence
Avon and somerset
Give David a call on 01844 238 308 he may be able to help Thanks TSC Team.
A friend of mine in Cornwall applied for her shotgun certificate in September 2021 and has heard absolutely nothing from the firearms team and no replies to her emails. 8 months and counting !
Having major issues getting any GP or doctor to sign the medical proforma. My GP wont do it and can't find any private GP that will do it. On top of that, Northumbria police are telling me the turnaround time once the application is in, is 14-16 months which is an absolute joke.
Hi I’m 15 and have applied for my shotgun licence I was wondering if I’m granted it how I will get my gun.
Neither of my parents are licence holders but I know people who do.
Just wondering if anyone knows how I will if I get it
If you give David a call on 01844 238 308 he will help you on this.
Hi i have criminal record from 30 years ago will it affect my chances thanks
A medical doctor? What does the note or declaration by the doctor indicate?
Thames valley police has just opend up, me and my dad have just appliedand the doctor charged £100 each 😱
Use shootcert or med cert!
I’m in Thames valley applied last week doctor charged me 89 quid
No it costs £79.50 plus the amount GPs want which in my case was £70, some police forced don't want fully GMC registered consultants but insist on GPs (who charge), plus cabinet plus plus plus then YOU don't open on sundays probably because the council refuses to let you due to noise regulations etc - so I don't see any point. Seriously - people want to shoot sundays, not saturdays. You are in Oxford where you know rental is predominant except for the wealthy. How do you think my landlord reacted to the idea of getting a shotgun cabinet bolted to his walls? I retracted my application and won't bother. You are right that shooting is dying, and its pretty obvious why.
I applied for my license in January 2022 and I haven't heard a single thing since the day I sent it off, it's now October. (Wiltshire)
Hi Tom if you give David a call he may be able to help you with your certifacete 01844 238 308.
I applied for my SGC the week after my first lesson, I'm renewing my membership at the shooting school next month. Still no certificate. I'm going to speak to Basc in Harrogate as I'm a member so I hope they will advise me.
North Yorkshire shouldn’t be that bad o would contact the firearms department
@@ghillie35 I'm in co Durham, I'm going to see them at the shooting show
Thanks for your comment give David a call on 01844 238 308 as he may be able to help you out on this Thanks TSC Team.
"My" (I've been registered at a medical centre for 36 years and none of the doctors know me) doctor never replied so the certificate lad asked for my wive's mobile number. My wife and I are separated and isn't it a good thing we still have a good relationship? She made it clear that I'm stable and wouldn't hurt a hair on her head and I have a cert and a couple of guns the past three years. It was a no reply doctor work around if your ex isn't vindictive!
BTW She wanted to have a look at my over and under and when she had a go at mounting it....leaning back🤣......she said "It's a lovely pistol". 😂😂
He wanted me to have a lesson first, which I did, and he subsequently contacted the instructor.
Something the sport must have is a much larger and openly public friendly presence on main stream TV and all media platforms. We need to have a loud voice, someone within the world of documentaries and TV sport, to take on an educational and spectator coverage aspect of the sport in all its forms. If we have covered darts, snooker and golf, why not Clay shooting at least? Alongside this, we must present an educational front to take our sport into schools to at least begin to explain what the sport is and how it works. As a body, we are sooooo far behind the world and not maximising the technology or media platforms that exist. In order to break down the hate and barriers which the public see in news stories and an anti gun culture, we have to get more people on side. When was the last time we channel hopped and discovered a shooting TV Channel or coverage of a big European or British clay tournament? When did any sports news presenter trot out the scores for a big shooting competition as a normal part of a sports round up of the weekend? When did you ever see a camera crew at Bisley, to cover a target shooting competition such as the the Imperial match and Queen's Prize? Where are our sports men and women represented to the wider public? Occasionally, at a commonwealth games or Olympics but not part of the day to day experiences of the public. No, it's all hidden and largely a mystery, shrouded in some dark assumed link in the minds of the British public, that gun ownership and shooting is only linked to crime and bad things. Until we master this, our days are marked out in handfuls, as the growing WOKE and anti gun culture grows rapidly. Add to this the negative impacts of endless new legislation, confusion and even negative press within the industry, and we are already well on the back foot. Anyone out there who has influence, works in the media and who loves shooting sports, must try to help. It would be a huge step in the right direction.
Educate, enthuse and normalise. De-myth and demystify the whole world of safe and legally maintained shooting sports and we stand a chance. The clock is ticking ever faster at present...
Hi I've been waiting over 12 weeks for my licence grant. Could anyone help me on how I speed this up please?
Nottingham, 7 days cost nothing. There not all bad.
Hi I'm from Nottingham
How long did it take to receive the certificate?
Will driving offences affect it or will have have to wait for them to come off
Most minor driving offences will not effect your likelihood of receiving a license
My doctors flatly refused to provide certificate so am forced to rely on an online service , so someone who has never treated or met me will decide just by reading medical notes
Take your doctor to cord they can not do that they work for us we are the tax player. TSC Team
@@TSCTheshootingchannelWhether we like it or not, completing firearms certificate forms is not part of a GP's current contract, so they are under no obligation to engage with the process. Taking them to court would achieve absolutely nothing beyond emptying your wallet. We need to pressure government into making engaging part of the GP contract, then they would have to do it.
My doctors surgery (locally here in Oxfordshire) has quoted £132 for an initial application and £66 for a repeat...has something changed in what they have to do or are they just setting their own price to put people off?
Thank you got your comment I do have a film coming it soon about this but I would love to here from you too thanks TSC team
@@TSCTheshootingchannel What more is there to say. This is very current, only found out at the start of the week after I enquired over the weekend what the process and cost was - a bit taken aback to be honest.
Keep up the good work. Not been to shoot with you guys in a long time, but hoping to be back soon…
Hi I’ve been quoted £110 for my doctors note 😣is there any way of getting that down
Use shootcert instead
Hi David, have you seen the application section for Hampshire constabulary. They are currently saying due to demand and covid the recommend not to apply unless needed as the GP certificate only lasts 6 months.... Do you have a Twitter to show you the screen shot as it's disgraceful. Wanted to get a license and take up the sport for over 2 years and unless renewing it seems people of Hampshire have not been able to apply for new licences.
Thanks for your comment it would be great if you can give David a call on 01844 238 308 as we may be able to help you on this matter. Thanks TSC Team.
The doctors can charge what they want, let’s be honest.
I paid £72 for my fac
Does it matter if you haven’t had and criminal convictions for over 10 years I have a criminal back ground but never served over 2 years at once and I haven’t been arrested in 10 years I have adhd aswell but am no risk or threat to anyone I want to start going shooting at weekends
These matters are decided on a case by case basis.
I have anxiety would I be able to get a certificate
That can be a problem.
Late finding this video. It's quite difficult to get involved in the sport as a young person. Most young people don't own a house that they can install a cabinet inside of. Leaving us at the mercy of the letting agents/landlords. If anyone has any sensible tips, please share.
Is it possible to have a gun club keep it in locked storage?
Is it Possible for me to granted a shotgun certificate , if I have ADHD ?
I’m not quite sure but I would imagine you could be granted one providing you are in sound mind and do not have any criminal conversations. Disabilities and illnesses should not be held against you providing you are safe with a firearm
Why dr note?? If your are diagnoses depressed does that affect??
It shouldn't if the depression is "resolved"
However…if you’ve been living overseas and then come back and apply for a shotgun certificate, you’ll be told you don’t have 10 years CONTIGUOUS GP history. So even though I’ve held Shotgun and FA licences overseas, you won’t be granted one. Very very annoying.
I just got my shotgun certificate how many shotguns can I buy?
As many as you like if glad to here you have it now thanks David
Are you going to put on some cheaper lessons for first time license Applicants???
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Hi david thanks for this comment if you call David on 01844 238 308 he may be able to help you on this. Thanks TSC Team.