This Guy Is Going To Crash
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If you’re doing my MotoJitsu drills or other low-speed training, you want to have a lot of lean angle to make tight turns. When you’re riding faster speed corners (above 50+mph or so) you’ll want to be leaning off to the inside of the bike to reduce the amount of lean angle the bike has to gain more ground clearance and traction. If you have a bike with lots of ground clearance, you can just ride neutral 99% of the time...many riders do too much with body position but don't have the fundamentals mastered yet (vision, throttle, brakes, counter steering, line selection). Maybe if you’re on a tight, technical road with slower turns (under 50 mph) you may be able to get away with pushing the bike down if you have the skill and smoothness of the controls to do so but no one who rides fast purposely pushes the bike down adding lean angle unless they don’t know what they’re doing. Keep in mind, many riders don't take numerous high level courses and learn many different techniques on both high and low speed turning, street, track and dirt environments, etc. I highly recommend attending courses like Champ School and American Supercamp to learn the differences. Both are two days and taught by current MotoAmerica racers. www.motojitsu.com/courses If you're on a supermoto bike on a super moto track, that's one thing...if you're on a 600lb adventure bike with knobbies on the street is another. Learn to apply the correct techniques for the pace, bike and traction available at any given moment. instagram.com/motojitsuclub/
This hypocritical sentence feels like your trying to justify something you don’t understand..
Maybe don’t ride outside of your own limits..
If your so much better..
Why didn’t you pass them?
If your so good, why would you ride that close behind them..
And this explanation contradicts everything you think..
I think you have this wrong bud that’s OK.
Why don’t you get on a GS and post a video of the correct technique
That's a good example of what everyone should be doing. Unless you are on a track on a track bike, counter leaning is absolutely the safest way to make a turn.
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@@MotoJitsu bro your lack of experience and info is why people don't take your seriously. Idk how I ended up on this stupid reel. Back to fortnine now.
my "lack of experience" lol you have no idea what you're talking g about, yes go back and worship a youtuber
@@nishanxrcounter leaning causes more crashes than leaning with the bike. Fact.
@@MotoJitsuYou really do seem to lack experience.
This dude is keeping his head level while leaning the bike and turning efficiently. And so many people have scraped their pegs but this dude did it and kept riding without freaking out. You can drop the ego like you’re the only one that knows what he’s doing.
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@@MotoJitsu cope
@@MotoJitsucopium I can tell you’re a beginner
You're tripping
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This ain't 4chins bud
I lean off the bike, with my head near the mirror on the inside of the turn, but I still keep my head level to the horizon. All the people commenting that you have to counter-balance to keep your head horizontal to the horizon have apparently never done a track day. The problem with the way this guy is riding is that he has maybe 5% left to lean before he unweights the tires onto the footpeg and low-sides. With proper body positioning at that speed, his safety margin would probably increase to 20%.
exactly...very ignorant people comment a lot bs
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@@MotoJitsu man don‘t engage with the hate of 15yr olds😂
Dude is just scrubbing off the chicken strips before he gets to Starbucks
hahahahha
Don’t listen to this guy… he thinks he knows what he’s talking about, and that’s dangerous.
Track riders lean into turns to keep the bike as upright as possible hence increasing contact patch for pushing out of turns quicker. This is essential for track-riding.
The guy in the video is counterbalancing which is taught by Cop Riding Schools for both low AND fast corners, so you can have a good/safe view of the road ahead.
Tires have more contact patch when leaned over vs upright & people lean off the bike to gain traction by allowing the suspension to work better. Any cop who counter balance at high speed or are taught to are simply wrong.
Not "extremely dangerous" they teach counter lean in police riding so you can keep the most clear field of view. It's a commonly used technique
Yeah for low speed u-turns not fast sweepers lol
@@MotoJitsu They do it on all corners, bit of a worry if you are teaching riders and don't know this.
If anyone watching this clip and thinks the guy is riding well, they obviously haven't been to any high level school or a track day or know how to ride too well, and it shows. Go take Champ School/American Supercamp/CA Superbike School, etc. yourself then come back and comment. Until then, you simply don't know what you're talking about.
@@MotoJitsu Track riding is not street riding.
All to avoid the embarrassment of ‘chicken strips’ on his tires most likely.
If you're listening to this guy.... that would be a smart thing because he's calling it... absolutely...you never add weight in the turns..you don't put your weight on top of the bike..you got to get in it..go with it..relax.. smooth like a carving knife.. this dude is going to crash for sure..
time and place for everything...but this wasn't it, if he was on a smaller bike like a supermoto or simply going through slower, tighter turns under 50mph less...no big deal if he's smooth everywhere else...but at these speeds on knobbies, not the best idea
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I'll do lean with, neutral, and counter depending on the turn & condition. Sometimes I let the bike tell me what it wants by the feel. As long as 2 wheels are rollin- all good & whatever feels right.
sure, but it's a better idea to ride in a manner that's less risky right? have better techniques just incase something happens?
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@@MotoJitsucounterbalancing isn’t unsafe, in fact police are even trained to counterbalance when turning. it also allows you a better view of your surroundings
So many people commenting that motojitsu is wrong. Have y'all ever ridden a motorcycle, let alone taken a course?
a lot of people don't do any track days or take any courses
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Looks like he's keeping sight level to horizon. I'm not sure. But whatever it is, he seems to know what he's doing & have his methods baked in. I also once found a footage that discussed an older generation racer who also used to lean on the outside (rare); I haven't had the urge to try. Anyway, whether leaning to the inside or to the outside of the bike, there is no avoiding having to lean the bike lower to get around turns at increasing speeds (unless intentionally drifting it like dirtbike people do). At the same speed (& not drifting), the bike that is leaning relatively more upright (with rider hanging on the inside), will make a wider turn than the bike that is leaned further down. The bike that's relatively more upright (& not drifting) has to slow down to not run wider than the bike that's leaned over more. No expert perspective; just casual observation.
it's not dangerous to keep the body vertical (or neutral), it helps see further out the turn (ie it helps anticipate), the rider is also more reactive to change trajectory in case anything unexpected happens, and it takes less space on the road. The only thing is he should not take his knee out, it's better to hold the tank tight so that the arms.hands can be relaxed.
purposely pushing the bike down is more dangerous...if you don't think so, take more high level courses to learn more MotoJitsu.com/courses
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@@MotoJitsu there is no issue with grip on the road, with decent tyres, even on the wet. To ride safe, you mostly need anticipation and reactivity. Keeping the body vertical helps you see further, it makes it easier for the brain to process the information, and it makes it easier to change your trajectory if needed, as the whole body doesn't have to move, only the legs (like a metronome, the lower the weight, the faster the change of direction).
In other words, you trade grip against better vision and capacity to react, which is a good deal in my view, for road conditions.
On track, it's a different picture, you know the corners, there is no one coming in the other direction, and there is no surprise gravel/dirt/oil to avoid; and the aim is to have a higher cornering speed, so definitely you want to lean the bike less, but it's an entirely different environment.
you can have your body/head upright without counter balancing and without pushing the bike down like you're doing a u-turns in a parking lot...due to him adding unnecessary risk by doing these things, makes it more dangerous.
Is this in California? It kinda looks like route 94 through Jamul/Dulzura, almost to the route 188 exit in Potrero
CA
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He's just having some fun. Relax, everyone rides at their own pace and skill level. Critique your own riding, not others. Be safe out there!
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He’s looking out for peoples’ safety lol.
I ride a GSXR. 1 of the first things i learned at speed is to turn your eyes not your head. Your head is heavy and for most people where you look your body will orientate naturally to go that direction. Countering like this is dangerous because its dramatically shifting the center of gravity as well as shifting your aerodynamics at speed. I always try to keep my chin in the same spot and tilt. Creates an aerodynamic ride position thats center balanced and easy to manipulate safely in a controlled manner. To each their own. Im sure there is a way to practice or learn this technique that would make it safer but new riders especially shouldn't do this. Its so much harder to learn to ride properly once you learn improperly.
that's one of the first things you learned? you can turn your head all day long, but if it starts to move side to side, now you're talking about body position.
Dude, you really need to unlearn that! Watch any Moto America or Moto GP race and you will notice EVERY single rider is looking through the turn. Their heads are not in alignment with the bike in a turn...NEVER!
People practicing what you are preaching are one of the reasons insurance is so high sometimes for motorcycles. Do yourself and your loved ones a favor and unlearn everything you know about cornering and take some classes.
1st day of Beginner MSF is to Turn Your Head, not just your eyes. That’s a foundational lesson, that carries throughout. I’m no expert, but I’ve taken every class MSF offers and HD rider academy.
Keeping your head near level to the horizon was taught for decades due to possible vertigo. all else is spot on.
you can keep your head up without doing the silly things he's doing
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@@MotoJitsu yes he does some dumb stuff
when I say silly, I mean adding more risk than necessary...for no reason, it'll probably result in a crash if he doesn't change the way he rides
@@MotoJitsu Its a fine video. I was just pointing out one type of teaching.
I think that's the problem, few riders learn anything more than one way....don't take any more courses, don't do track days, etc. and it shows.
The dude on the gs is just having fun.
Better to have the same amount of fun without risking crashing for lack of skills
Dragging rigid hard parts is not fun, it's a waring you just got away with leaning your bike too far and the next time might end in disaster. Dragging a peg that folds up is not as serious (that's why the pegs are designed that way) but it's still a waring telling you you are about to run out of lean angle. Dragging your skid plate or engine guard is telling you you have already run out of lean angle.
I don't understand why everyone is saying counter lean. Yeah, I do it on u turns and slow speed but definitely not on fast turns. Why would you want more lean angle on a road that is not track. If you need to counter lean to see into your turn you are going too fast for the turn (aka knowing its too risky on public roads) or are positioned poorly.
a lot of ignorant people
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High-speed turns/road/track: Inside leaning is more effective.
Low-speed riding/off-road/city: Counter leaning can be safer and more effective.
Casual riding/gentle curves: Neutral is comfortable and sufficient.
time and place for everything
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Does he mean the rider is tipping the bike more than he should be?
Or he’s just sitting upright’ish while leaning the bike?
He aint fall tho
Yet. This is the worst way to take corners man 😂
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He be gonna fall'n one dey doh!
That’s why GS sells a lot, bike is great so anyone can drive and feel a great driver!😅
lol MotoJitsu.com/courses
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Seems like reasonable counter leaning to me. Yeah its form is lack luster and Pegs are getting it but thats how you learn your bike.
take more formal training MotoJitsu.com/courses
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Correct me if I'm wrong. That is what you called leaning in, right? For better control and traction.
read my pinned comment
Ive learn a lot through your videos. Thank you 👍
Happy to hear that!
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Feels like everyone in the comments watched that fortnine video on counterbalancing and completely missed the point.
And just blindly believed a TH-camr 🤦🏻♂️ all anyone needs to do is take more high level training or do a track day
The hypocrisy... TH-camr? And yet here you are... @@MotoJitsu
Thanks for pointing this out for a good safety tip.
no problem...if you didn't yet, read the pinned comment.
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I'm a newbie, can someone correct me if I'm wrong here. So basically when you're LEANING you need also to lean your body including you head?
would the gravity pull you down eventually by giving all your weight at one side?
read the pinned comment
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Probably doesn’t want the oncoming traffic to take his head off if they are driving on the line.
what oncoming traffic?
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The only time superbike lean is used is in rain, anything but a track is slick and unpredictable, have fun with going against physics lol
What?
Last time I rode on the back of a bike. In a road like this it made me sick lol.
sucks
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I don't know how you drive, but you should keep your head and eyes in line with the horizon
lol that doesn’t mean you counter balance like you’re in a parking lot
@@MotoJitsu if you need to explain the basics, we are too far...
please take more high level training....if you see nothing wrong with the dude in front of me, you have a lot to learn. MotoJitsu.com/courses
@@MotoJitsu You better focus on your own driving and stop watching others. it's safer for everyone. If you want to qualify, the world is full of different competitions and we can read the results.
I've been through 24 different courses, used to teach 8 of them, done hundreds of track days, 500,000 miles in less than 10 years...tell me, what else do I need to "focus on?" lol do 1/2 of what I've done and maybe you'll understand why this guy is going to crash if he doesn't change his ways.
And the guy in front of him kept putting his foot down on the corners!😅
thinks he's on dirt or just messing around...who knows..but at these speeds for these corners, not a good idea
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A lesson in NOT what to do
exactly
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Looks like the Ortega Highway?
no
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I see some people saying that he is trading grip for a better view of whats in front of him to react but does counterbalancing not also give you less control of your bike hence less ability to react? I know i feel that i have way more control when i lean correctly with the bike and have more ways out of a bad situation, sitting on top of a sport bike like mine that seems like an even worse idea
many people are dumb and aren't good or experienced riders who comment on my videos
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I agree hes leaning about 30% too far over, but on dry reliable pavement with sticky tires on a day like this sometimes i do the same after my tires are warmed up and sticky just cuz its fun and i know i can get away with playing around
sure but that's not what he was doing
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@@MotoJitsu I'm not hating on you bro I get where you're coming from been watching for years and I think what you do for the motorcycle community is really healthy. I've lost too many friends thank you for helping people keep safety in mind. It's your brand people should expect to come here to get reminders about how to ride safely
Counter leaning is fine at slow speeds, personally I think he was fine , his head was leaning but his body was straight with the corner, but he’s definitely moving with the corners. He’ll be fine.
Or he won’t. Either way he’ll figure it out
he'll crash if he doesn't change his ways...you can go running down the street without shoes on too but that doesn't make it a good idea to do so. Read my pinned comment, take actual high level courses so you'll be able to learn what's effective and what's not. MotoJitsu.com/courses
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@@MotoJitsu I agree with you. Either way that’s between him and his insurance company lol
Pretty sure most people saying “the police do this” get that info from RyanF9 and don’t question it. GS rider will crash for sure if he keeps doing that.
exactly
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He's just exaggerating the turns, probably not a good idea because he seems like on the verge of being cocky. It is best to keep an upright stance and let the bike lean as necessary at those speeds. This guy is just overjoyed at the riding, and he is not keeping a safe mindset in my opinion.
ok
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It's not dangerous its way too slow...he's just enjoying the ride
If you don’t see how it’s dangerous, you have a lot to learn. Start here MotoJitsu.com/courses
What this guy is doing is dangerous. When you drag your engine case cover or other rigid hard part, you are basically turning that hard part into a fulcrum. As you know, the more force you apply to the fulcrum (hard part dragging) via the lever arm (the weight of the bike and rider on the outside end of the fulcrum), you will inevitably lift the weight off the ground. In other words, your tires are going to come up and off of the road and you have now crashed.
Look up Kork Ballington or any riders from that era. It's mostly to conserve the rider's energy when the bike's a big heavy pig.
I'm on the same bike...you don't counter balance and add more lean/more risk. take more training MotoJitsu.com/courses
@@MotoJitsu Any footage of yourself from the same POV? What will I learn in the training? How to hang off a GS like Vinales at 40mph?
Yes, lots. What will you learn from formal, high level training? A lot.
Knee down but head up seems very counter-intuitive, like he can't decide if he wants to raise or lower the center of mass.
It also just looks really silly.
yup
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counterleaning is only effective with very low speeds to achieve more maneuverability and feel for the bike, counterleaning is harmless to a certain extent but still more „dangerous“ than taking a corner the right way.. i don‘t know why so many people are miserable in here
a lot of people don't take high level courses and actually learn how to ride properly...they just turn the key and go
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people do not need your courses at all, america is at fault for handing out licenses like candy
I don't have any courses, I recommend lots to people MotoJitsu.com/courses
Trying to wear the edge off the flat middle of the tyre?
read the pinned comment
Can somebody tell me why it is dangerous? (Or not) I'm confused
Read the pinned comment
If you really think he's gonna go down then maybe don't come up too close behind him?
I'm not close
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Id rather lowside than highside. Js
I rather not crash and learn to ride with as little risk as possible Js
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Then why follow so closely?
I'm not close
Reading the comments I understand why motorcycle is 25x more dangerous than a car 😄😅
people's hp shouldn't exceed their iq
@@MotoJitsu dang. I'm screwed 😅 *drives a grom*
Why are you talking about it if youre not gonna do anything about it?
I don't go up to people and give unsolicited advice...no one likes people who do that. It's for people to learn what not to do.
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Stop hating on other riders, dude tryna ride, and you back there hating on him.
You mean bring awareness to others so they don’t make the same mistake?
All the naysayers are all quoting fortnine, same site that suggests removing/not wearing body armour. Stupid or gullible people will receive their karma I guess.
yup
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Maybe he is beginner
Lots to learn no matter what he is
Ride your skills not your stupidity.
Skip all that and notice at the last moment the guy is getting ready to pass on a double yellow. Motorcyclists who pass on a double yellow are the scum of the planet!
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I genuinely don’t understand y people think leaning your bike over more than u need to is better of safer. Yes u may get a slightly better view but not by much
ignorance...not taking any high level training MotoJitsu.com/courses
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Lmao there is two types of riders those who have gone down an those who will go down he is just looking for a spot to wipe out
yup
Does he mean the rider is tipping the bike more than he should be?
Or he’s just sitting upright’ish while leaning the bike?
read the pinned comment
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More than what's necessary yes. By counter balancing like this, he's adding unnecessary lean angle. All of those turns could've been done at the same speed while sitting upright with the bike, giving himself more tyre and ground clearance.
@@GobbbbbRight. So he’s just over leaning.
But then isn’t that what makes it fun?
I don’t ride a bike because I’ve crashed more cars than I’ve owned. Id be dead a long time ago.
Isn’t speed and fast cornering the fun?