0.01 to 3:45 Introduction. 3:35 to 15:25 Keith Ward rejects Biblical inerrancy citing a serious error in the Bible. 15:25 to 35:05 Was Jesus mistaken about his Second Coming? Who was Jesus - a god or a man? 35:15 to 57:20 Ward states that there was a radical change in Christian beliefs in the very first generation 57:20 to end Keith Ward says Muhammad was a genuine prophet of God and nearly all of his Christian theologian colleagues think so too!
There’s a new “chapters” feature in YT which allows the marking of different sections of the video directly overlaid on the video itself for easy browsing. Perhaps worth looking into that.
Just right when I'm about to watch this video and write the time-stamp, I saw this note from you. Alhamdulillah, much appreciated, thank you brother Paul, salam...
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Outwardly pretending to be Christian leader deceiving the congregation to take a salary. Keith Ward puts himself above God by suggesting Christ is mistaken and bible is errant. God said He would preserve His word and God doesn’t lie. Keep going Mr Ward that way you will earn a greater damnation.
Yet Muhammad turned just about everything the Torah prophets did and said on their head, the Quran is literally a book of the most extreme plagiarism in existence, stealing from multiple sources, not least the Greek scientific observations 1000 years earlier in it's absolute desperation to try to convince the reader of it's divine origin which is riddled with fallacies, the haddith even steals a phrase of Sun Tzu of ancient China 800 years earlier, there is Zoroastrian story, Arab & Jewish a well as Christian Gnostic tales in islam also Hindu influence, it is hashed together and badly, so much so it has failed to convince millions and millions of muslims would have left centuries ago if were not for the most extreme ostracizing and cult attitude to apostasy with 18 countries that still have death sentence for it and countries that have imprisoned and tortured apostates.
@@HeLpLOstGOdAny1 Well .. this is exactly the difference between the level of an islamophobic person and the most learned people of the scriptures ... You just hatepreach and ignoring everything was discussed in this amazing and enlightening lecture! How about we engage in something meaningful other than making stupid claims without evidences!? If you can't.. please just vanish from the world or do something good in your miserable life 🙄 Just a little respond to the stealing point... Well .. when Jesus repeated the SHAMA .. was he a thief? Your answer would be of course no .. he just was confirming the previous message of prophet Moses.. Well .. thats exactly our position That Mohammed was confirming the Truth in the previous scriptures ... and the fact that we also see correcting and rectifying of some ideas in the previous scriptures shows that Mohammed didn't just copy_paste as you Claim .. otherwise we would've seen exactly the same message as it is in the previous scriptures ... in islam we see a consisting message that was given to all previous prophets .. which is Tawheed (absolute monotheism) that Abraham preached all the way down to Mohammad ... even Jesus confirmed it by repeating the Shama. Stop this hateful behaviour towards Muslims and reason with us instead of copy_pasting stupid claims as you did in your comment .. at the end of the day we all wanna be at the side of God and inter his paradise ... may God guide us all to the truth ... Peace ✌
A fascinating interview to say the least. I think that average Christians would be shocked by the revelation that Keith and his colleagues affirm the Prophethood of Muhammad ( Saw) and the divinity of the Quran.
Because God promised to preserve His holy word and God can absolutely do that. The bible is the inerrant word of God infallible and without error. I trust and believe every word, event and prophecy. I believe we are nearing the end of the world and the Antichrist will come to power in a totalitarian world government and fake universal religion. The bible describes a great falling away from faith exactly as we see from this blogger and supposed apex Christian both deny the fundamental doctrine of the Bible. Men have made corrupt versions but these are easy to spot and filled with errors. Why do they copy the Bible? Because it’s genuine article and no one would bother copying a fake. These people earned themselves eternal damnation Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Dear Paul & Keith- Thank you for the wonderful intelligent and informative discussion video, much respect to both of you. Respect to Keith acknowledging what he believes about islam even though he is christian. God bless you both Kind Gentlemen !
May God bless Professor Keith Ward with a long life and good health.....What a beautiful human being:) His smile reflects kindness and love. Prayers and well wishes for both the speakers.
@@BloggingTheology ﴿سورة المائدة﴾ ٨٢) لَتَجِدَنَّ أَشَدَّ النَّاسِ عَدَاوَةً لِلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الْيَهُودَ وَالَّذِينَ أَشْرَكُوا ۖ وَلَتَجِدَنَّ أَقْرَبَهُمْ مَوَدَّةً لِلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الَّذِينَ قَالُوا إِنَّا نَصَارَىٰ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّ مِنْهُمْ قِسِّيسِينَ وَرُهْبَانًا وَأَنَّهُمْ لَا يَسْتَكْبِرُونَ ٨٣) وَإِذَا سَمِعُوا مَا أُنْزِلَ إِلَى الرَّسُولِ تَرَىٰ أَعْيُنَهُمْ تَفِيضُ مِنَ الدَّمْعِ مِمَّا عَرَفُوا مِنَ الْحَقِّ ۖ يَقُولُونَ رَبَّنَا آمَنَّا فَاكْتُبْنَا مَعَ الشَّاهِدِينَ [Quran Chapter 5] 82. You will find that the people most hostile towards the believers are the Jews and the polytheists. And you will find that the nearest in affection towards the believers are those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks, and they are not arrogant. 83. And when they hear what was revealed to the Messenger, you see their eyes overflowing with tears, as they recognize the truth in it. They say, "Our Lord, we have believed, so count us among the witnesses."
I think Keith Ward has reached a high level of understanding of what God wants a man is supposed to be. He is calm, charming, gentle, mature, wise, peaceful. Overall, he has a pleasant personality. So, in every religion, there is level (maqom), just like in martial arts there is white belt, black belt, and other various colours in between.
God created humans so they surrender and submit and worship, to follow each order and obey and avoid sins, God doesn't accept the work of man when its not correct meaning not the way Allah sent it down and if not pure meaning man instead of being loyal to his creator he lower the most high and rich and join his level with his creation, having manners and being lovely are sure characteristics that God loves and are infact the characteristics of people of heaven, but a set of wheels without a mobile body won't take you on the road, the path to Allah is straight and has no turns and gates, don't be deceive by outside look when interior is broke, even satan may he be cursed addressed Allah with speech worth of Allah's sovereignty, but doesn't matter? When he is our worst enemy? Who knew we would learn a thing or two from Iblises misery, to address God respectfully when we are at our most miserable state but the real lesson here if Allah orders you to submit , you say Olrighty my almighty.
Keith Ward, as much humble a man can be. Such a gentlemanly discussion that you have presented us with today, dear brother Paul! Love you for that. The news that Sir Keith Ward and most of his fellow Christian theologians believe in the fact that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was indeed a prophet of God and the revelation that he(saw) received was indeed from the Almighty, is quite uplifting for me as a Muslim. I can only pray and hope that he receives Allah's hidaya and comes to the fold of Islam. I also hope that he shares his new knowledge regarding Islam and its prophet (saw) so that his non-theologian Christian followers now can look at the matter in positive light. And it sure will bring the followers of both faith much closer together. Finally, I pray for you my dear brother Paul so that you live a long, prosperous, happy and pious life. Aameen. ❤️🤲
Brother Syed, there are millions of people on the planet who say that they are muslims, yet they don't pray, they don't pay zakat, they do not fast in the month of Ramadan, they do not have the intent to do the Haj. They are muslims all right, they are "bad" muslims. Using the same standard, I would say that Prof Ward is indeed a muslim (because he believes that prophet Muhammad (saw) is a genuine prophet of God and he believes that there is One God.....so he is a muslim, a "bad" muslim.
@@diahiskandarbinmohamadjani7674 Aren't we all, Especially those of us who justify our own actions, or by claiming our own prayers, zakat and fasting can save us. When these things are only ever for our own benefit, not for Allah who has no need of them. To know that there is no complution in religion takes on another meaning, taking things too far, looking from the other wrong side of the same fence they have crossed over to. The Gog and the Magog, when the truth was always the middle way inbetween the two extremes. The biggest mistake someone claiming to be a Muslim can make is to think like that, that they are saving themselves by doing these actions, they have already gotten the benefit of what they do by telling others who can see how great they were. It is what is in the heart that makes someone a true person who is submitting to their Creator, all other things can be forgiven, but not a black self-centred heart that only sees themselves as righteous. The whole point of life is to become grateful for the life each of us have been fore-given. That's is our re-spons-ibility. I feel so sorry for those entitled people who claim to hold Islam hostage and claim to be true Muslims, when in fact they are the ones destined for the hellfire.
That was an amazing interview. Paul, I could see you had immense respect for Keith Ward and you thoroughly enjoyed that interview. In many instances, you were like a kid in a sweet shop
What brother Paul is achieving in these interviews out matches what would 10 other theology channels are doing, what a wonderful and highly pact with education this one was!
Titus 3:10-11 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself. Hell is a place of ETERNAL burning torment
@Rayrad 696 interesting point about Jesus not interpreting the bible,what Jesus said and did is the Gospel which was revelations from the Creator.why didn’t jesus change the law when he was alive?and why didn’t jesus make the witnesses see and hear when he appeared to Paul on the road to Damascus?because some saw and didn’t hear and some heard but didn’t see.
@Rayrad 696 If you are right about Jesus Christ, then your god is the only weakest god known today by human being like us because your god is the only god that was killed by his men[his own creation!]and also your god is the most stupid god because your god can only think of one thing, that is to die on a cross and can't think of other alternatives except dying on a cross when solving his people's [his worshipers!]problems!. Is it logical that in order for your god to save the whole world, your god needs to die! Is it logical that that the only things that Your god knows is only to "die" on a cross when solving his creations' [worshipers?!]problems/sins. Is it logical that your god [Jesus Christ!]was only "created" during the Council of Nicaea in 325AD where other great Prophets like Adam, Moses, Abraham, etc never "worship" him as god!. Even the Mother of God[Mother Mary]never worship her son Jesus Christ as god or called him as god, so, what more to you as ordinary Christians?!
@Rayrad 696 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 first god born in heaven ?? Who created heaven before ur god ? It self ? I think theology is far far hight above ur comprehending !! Even my child couldn't think ur way even thought he watch a lot of japoneses cartoons!! Let's just say u are an ignorant arrogant who doesn't know that he doesnt know!!..y keep following ur ancestors theologies therefore u dont even comprehend the true meaning of THE GOD .
What a high level of debate full of knowledge, all for free. Thanks Paul for elevating the religion debate and argumentation. Wonderful open minded guest.
Wow! 😳 I have no words, 😶 but only to express my utmost love and gratitude towards our Creator for exposing me to this video showing an excellent example of how we should treat each other in religious context! May our Lord continue to Bless you both.👌✌️🤲☝️😇
brilliant interview! Keep bringing this unique content. It's amazing the massively wide disconnect between the beliefs of the general masses of Christians and the belief of their own scholars. Three persons in one substance, a technical word just pulled out of the air!~ Pr. Keith ward 😂
@Lilia murah a lot of Christians do spread Christianity by any means some even go against their bible to go against Islam, that’s why they have the Vatican church library composed of hundreds of years old books blocked off from the world.
Excellent ! i liked it even if i'm not a english speaking person (i'm in France) , i clearly understood every word. That's academic level i like with intelligent humour. Bravo Paul!
This is very refreshing. Certainly a departure from what we usually see i.e. shouting match kind of Islam/Christian debate. Congratulations both of you Paul & Keith.👌
Paul, you facilitate laziness like no other. In a world of short attention spans, where reading books are a mission, the POVs that you bring to the table from your readings and esteemed guests is nothing less then an amazing subscriber experience. 👏🤟
He is preaching heresy and lies. A fool and heretic. The path to Hell is wide and MANY will go there. There is only ONE way to heaven. Accept you are a sinner that nothing you could ever do will be enough to pay for your salvation. That God sent His only begotten Son to save the world. That Jesus Christ paid for your salvation and offers you eternal life if your believe in Him.
Genesis 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide HIMSELF a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together. GOD CAME IN THE FLESH AND GAVE HIMSELF AS PAYMENT FOR SIN
@@monthapril6441 yeah, the Bible is messed up, it isn't historically preserved, Also if God sacrificed himself he is dead, If he isn't dead and is still alive today, what kind of sacrifice is that? A pinch on arm?
He acknowledges that the prophet(pbuh) is a prophet of Allah(swt) He acknowledges that the glorious Quran is the literal words of Allah(swt) Yet somehow he cannot bring himself to Islam. The ego is the veil between Humans and God- Rumi How true
At the end of the day it's not even about proving the validity of the last Prophet and the Revelation given to him. Allah guides whomever he wills and leads astray whomsoever he wills. We tend to forget that. Even his uncles Abu Jahl and Abu Lahab once had a moment of honesty in a secret meeting in the middle of one night and said "what do we make of Muhammed and this Qur'an that comes out of his lips?" they remained silent for a bit and then finally came to a conclusion "we can't deny it. It's the truth. But we can't admit that Banu Hashem have a Prophet they would have outdone us for good, we can never compete with that". Muhammed PBUH was from Banu Hashim tribe lineage, his two uncles were from Banu Umayyah. The two cousin tribes were always rivals and competing with each other in everything. In the end those two never professed Islam purely out of ego and pride, despite knowing with certainty that it's the truth.
@@SalH-sx3ip If one didn't get the message or didn't reach him, _they are not to blame_ . Take for example the people in North Korea, they're effectively in prison their whole lives from the rest of the world. On Judgement day while the rest of us are getting are due accounts, they will have their own test to determine their final abode. This is out of the Mercy of Allah and his Justice.
May ALLAH guide the professor to pronounce his shahadah, I remember watching his video when he testified to the truthfulness of the prophet Muhammad ﷺ decades ago. Wow brother Paul, the professor surely is a lot closer to Islam than thought, just his explanation alone makes it clear.
Questions for Keith Ward: 1) On Page 16 of Vision to Pursue you say you felt compelled to reject the traditional Christian doctrine of the inerrancy and infallibility of the Bible because of a glaring error so serious that it was impossible to deny its existence: this is found in just one sentence in the gospel of Matthew 24:34: ‘Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all these things take place.’ This refers to the Second Coming of Jesus and it obviously did not occur within the generation of those then living. Either the gospel writer was in error in attributing this saying to Jesus or Jesus was mistaken. You conclude on page 18 that Jesus was probably mistaken. You mentioned much wriggling and squirming to evade the point! I identify! But in light of this searing honesty how can Christians today still hold to the doctrine of the Trinity and belief in the Incarnation of God in Jesus? After all, God does not make mistakes. 2) In your later work Re-Thinking Christianity you state (p. 9) that: ‘At the very start of Christian history there was a radical change in Christian beliefs and expectations. Far from being a changeless faith - ‘once delivered to the saints’ - it changed sharply and unexpectedly in its earliest years, in the very first generation. Could you elaborate further? 3) How do you as a Christian theologian see the prophethood of Muhammad?
This is how Christians consider Muhammad. Jesus himself told about this much before. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. - Mathew 7:15-20
@@prince2132 - agreed. Just compare the 'fruits' (results) of Trinitarianism/ Paulianity = Dark Ages; widespread ignorance ; Colonialism ; mass Slavery ; mass extermination of natives; WW1 ; WW2, etc. These western Pale-faces always speak with forked tongues as experienced by the native 'Red Indians' of Americas. Snakes & ravenous Wolves is a good description of the followers of Paulianity. with Islam = Liberation of ppl from Persian & Roman Powers to live & believe freely ; welfare for all poor citizens ; mass education /schools & university's & libraries ; translations of knowledge from around the world ; Birth of Empirical Science ; Hospitals, Observatories, Public Baths & Ablution facilities, Beautiful Gardens & Buildings & Calligraphic Art etc etc. But the greatest Fruit of all is the MOST IMPORTANT, Primary, simple, common sense idea/belief that GOD IS ONLY 1!
@@prince2132 if you look at Paul's life and compare what you said , it fits that Roman agent perfectly . And it never fits PROPHET Muhammad ( SAWS ) . Look what Paul's teachings have caused and what Islam says . When Rome adopted paulism they fell into destruction . Islam rose and elevated nomadic Arabs from middle of desert to the world , transforming them and all those who entered Islam into the best of nations allowing them to pursue knowledge to get closer to God and never blindly follow rather to ponder upon signs of God. In medieval France , debate was going on wether to consider women as humans , at the same time women in islamic lands built and sponsored universities .
Saul (Paul in the past when he was a King) was a bad man. He killed Christians. But later God changed him. Then he become Paul a disciple of Jesus. He got Holy Spirit and started to preach the word of God with the help of helper (Holy Spirit) which Jesus told in gospel. Christians consider his works from here on not before like when he was a murderer. From there on he did no sin, not killed any, healed many in Jesus name. Can anyone point any bad works from Paul after he started his ministry? This is what Jesus told we shall know them by their works.
@@prince2132 - just do a Google search for Jesus v paul and you will see hundreds of Biblical quotes where Paul clearly contradicts Jesus. Paul admitted being a Liar just to spread his own invented religion amongst the gentiles. "For if the truth of God hath more abounded through MY LIE unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?" (Rom. 3.7) "Though the more abundantly I love you, the less I be loved. But be it so: ... nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile." (2 Cor. 12.15-16) As a "man that striveth for the mastery" (1 Cor. 9.25), Paul expounds to the church leaders the modus operandi of the successful propagandist: "I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, that I might gain them that are without law. ... I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. And this I do for the gospel's sake" (1 Cor. 9.19-23).
Many thanks for both of u & I appreciate the honesty of Keith Keith ward u r a wise man , I’m praying for you to choose the right path , maybe we would get a great book in the coming year ( hopping so ) God bless u both amen 🤲🌺🌺
As a number of comments have already stated, superb discussion, Paul and, I believe, a highly useful dialogue. Professor Keith Ward’s views on the Prophet of Islam, and the Qur’an, were both generous and unexpected. Keep up the good work.
Your efforts are sadka zariya. The rewards will be written in your account, and even after your existence in this world they will be written in your account on behalf of others benefiting from these videos. Thank you!
Reminds me of the story of the Christian King. The difference is but a line in the sand. Keep up the great work Paul. I’ve been binge watching your videos for about 5 days now!
Thank you Rev Keith for the talk (and thank you blogging theology). Great to hear the Christian theological perspective and your underlying message of worshipping/believing in God that I interpreted from your discourse. Pleased to hear your honest view of Muhammad (PBUH) and the Quran. May God be pleased with you.
Extremely honest and genuine learned man, Mr. Keith Ward. Am so glad that Blogging Theology able to have this interview done. I have feelings, we will see Mr. Ward successful in hereafter. What a pleasant personality. Mashallah
Wow! I've been watching your videos for a while now, and i have shared a lot of them, mostly to family and friends who are Christians, but this is by far the best one I came across. I watched another video of yours earlier that led me to this, thank you so much. We all are brothers and sisters in this world, and we all want to end up in a better place both physically and spiritually in this life and after; I hope to see you and this wonderful of a human being in paradise, Amen. Thank you so much Paul. Ps..English is not my mother tongue, so please be forgiving of any errors.
You are brave for sharing these videos with your christian family and friends. I have chosen a few that I think might have an open mind to new questions. But most of them doesn't seem ready yet.
The claim of the divinity of the words of the Gospels being the actual words of Jesus was beneficial for Christianity for the first millennea of the church but was eventually destructive to the human faith afterwards. I dare say that was i was blown away by how insightful this speaker is, how clear he's on some of the most vague n unexplainable notions. That was an amazing dialogue n i felt blessed to be able to attend n maybe able to learn from it. Thank you
Extremely important and interesting two points you've highlighted! I'm being educated about this. Thank you again, Jazaka Allahu kheir (جزاك الله خير) May Allah reward you the best.
Continuing gratitude for all your efforts, Paul. He is indeed almost a Muslim. Perhaps realizing that embracing the Truth will actually bring him closer in his love for Christ, and to God, rather than betraying his familiar , comfortable tradition , might just be the last tumbler in the lock upon his mind. May we all be guided closer to the Truth.
Brother Paul you are doing an awesome job bringing those hidden topics on the table is highly appreciated. You are a legend and Allah will bless you for all your good work for islam. Cheers
Wow! What a fascinating interview. Absolutely surprised to hear what many Christian theologians believe about Islam and the prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him). Many eye opening information. We need more people like Keith to bring peace and harmony in this world. As always, thank you Paul for this great interview.
Wonderful, insightful, honest and courageous conversations in a secular materialistic world. May the creator of the worlds bless you both! I’d suggest a simple starting point would be for theologians, scholars, politicians and the media to talk about ALL the Semitic faiths as ‘Abrahamic faith traditions & values’ as opposed to ‘Judeo-Christian & Western values’ which they commonly do.
My other learning from that chat above was: ‘Authentic Jewish-Christians were in fact Moslems!’ (as these eye witnesses fully accepted Jesus’ message of renewal & Tawheed as per Allah’s will).
Brother Paul, can you please please provide subtitles/captions in English, Chinese and other languages like you've done so well in some of your other videos? It would be sooooooo helpful. Thank you so much. May Allah SWT guide you the the right path and make this path easy for you (Ameen)
Curious to know if you Paul took your shahada? If you dont mind me asking. Love all of your discussions so far. Thanks for sharing your passion. May Allah be pleased with you. Mashallah!
Certainly this dialogue's ecumenism is encouraging. A discussion that would be hard to fathom without some knowledge of Patristics and first centuries thinking of early Christian Churches. Much appreciated Paul.
Thank you for sharing a wonderful interview where mutual respect between faiths still exists. Isn’t it possible that many people have Muslim beliefs but not know that they are Muslim? God described the Prophets in the Quran as those who submitted. Hence the term Muslim.
Interview seems to be "respectful" only when the authenticity and credibility of the Bible is challenged. When the authenticity and credibility of Islamic books is challenged, then the interview or the other guy would probably be considered "disrespectful" or "Islamophobic"
Paul, thanks for the interesting interview! If I can add my two bits worth: one of the reasons the Anglican church is dying in the UK is because of the type of theological liberalism espoused by ivory tower theologians like Keith Ward. Fortunately such noxious gobbledygook hasn't filtered down to all such churches but where it has their pews are lifeless or empty. If both Christianity and Islam are both equally valid human attempts to reach out to the divine, then the pluralistic interpretation of 'Christianity' presented by your interviewee is a far cry from the 'faith once delivered to the saints.'
I really like your observations. I really know nothing about either Islam or Keith Ward ( except what he said in this discussion). I really like your last sentence. It makes me think. Obviously Islam and Christianity are different religious worldviews and therefore they come across as "human attempts to reach out to the divine." I don't personally like the words "human attempts" because they seem to exclude the desire of God to reach out to us. I do believe that Christianity of modern times is indeed a "far cry from the 'faith once delivered to the saints." So I wonder what will Christianity evolve into? I hope the cornerstone of Jesus the Christ remains part of "the faith once delivered to the saints." Thanks for sharing John in Florida
No - he wouldn't. He needs a bit more depth of knowledge, a bigger picture, and more ability to think on his feet. He's be fine at getting people through exams, but there's more to it than that.
@@yeahbuddy4712 Depends on the topic, but I would imagine his stance on Paul and Jesus would be up for grabs. Even a high school student who read around enough would find material.
great interview, the last bit was indeed shocking giving what we see of vulgarity and the insulative behaviors of many 'unChristian' Christians towards Islam and the prophet.
Good one Paul. Thanks. It's music to my hears. I will look out for Keith Ward's books. I like his approach. Pope Francis is also more open to other faiths. His line is respect what is 'true and holy' in other faiths. In his visit to Sri Lanka he went into a Buddhist temple to meet up monks. Vatican II was really a turning point. In my own journey I started studying Islam from 2008, in my retirement; with a help of a London based teacher of Islam. After study I still carry on as a Christian like Keith Ward' respecting Islam and other faiths; with my Christianity fully strengthened until we all meet again in front of the creator.
So your Christianity was "fully strengthened" when you learned about Quran and Islam? That is quite interesting. I'm just learning about the Quran. If I may ask, how do you correlate the ideas in Quran that Jesus is not the Son of God with the Christian belief that He was/is ? I don't think there is any way to bridge the disagreement in those two beliefs. ( Would we even want to build such a bridge? It would probably collapse !). Anyhow.... I like your honesty. However I also struggle with the idea of all religions leading to God. Hope you don't mind my questions. John in Florida
@@johnbrzykcy3076 Thanks. chrishewer.org for the teacher of Islam I used. His lectures are also on youtube. Look out for Robert Spencer's books. His new one is due in July 2021. See his answers to my questions in Jay Smith show. Christian Bishops like Arius were excommunicated and his followers moved far away from the main stream. There were others too who drifted away. There were also agnostics giving a different picture of Jesus' death on the cross. You must see the famous debate between Shabir Ally and a Lady scholar from USA. Quranic/Islamic view is thus different from views of Western Church and some Eastern Churches who were 500 years ahead in development. Other useful authors are Philip Jenkins (Jesus Wars), Tom Holland (In the Shadow of the Sword) and Sidney Griffiths (cited by Usman Sheikh). It's a vast minefield. I have seen so many debates on youtube class rooms. I am continuing to read and circulate. Are you taking part in the zoom unbelievable Conference 2021 - 15th May 2021. Basic ticket only £9.99. I got the premier ticket for £19.50 incl an ebook etc.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 You are welcome. In 1984 we passed through Florida, Orlando. Stayed with friendly young evangelists parents. Forgot the name. It could be 'Shepherd'. They helped us to visit Disneyland. Very kind people.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 Also get hold of The Study Quran (2017). Read Joseph Lumbard's paper on wrath of God cf with Bishop Robert Barron's recent talk on Violence in the Old Testament.
Really excellent content as usual, excellent questions were asked, the conversation was seemless and smooth. I have (unfortunately for me) never heard of this man till today but I'm thankful for having the opportunity to listen to him and take some wonderful insights along the way and will look up some of his works and as I am honored to have had the chance to come to know of him. Appreciate the wonderful interview. BarackAllahu feek
0.01 to 3:45 Introduction.
3:35 to 15:25 Keith Ward rejects Biblical inerrancy citing a serious error in the Bible.
15:25 to 35:05 Was Jesus mistaken about his Second Coming? Who was Jesus - a god or a man?
35:15 to 57:20 Ward states that there was a radical change in Christian beliefs in the very first generation
57:20 to end Keith Ward says Muhammad was a genuine prophet of God and nearly all of his Christian theologian colleagues think so too!
There’s a new “chapters” feature in YT which allows the marking of different sections of the video directly overlaid on the video itself for easy browsing. Perhaps worth looking into that.
Just right when I'm about to watch this video and write the time-stamp, I saw this note from you. Alhamdulillah, much appreciated, thank you brother Paul, salam...
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Outwardly pretending to be Christian leader deceiving the congregation to take a salary. Keith Ward puts himself above God by suggesting Christ is mistaken and bible is errant. God said He would preserve His word and God doesn’t lie. Keep going Mr Ward that way you will earn a greater damnation.
Yet Muhammad turned just about everything the Torah prophets did and said on their head, the Quran is literally a book of the most extreme plagiarism in existence, stealing from multiple sources, not least the Greek scientific observations 1000 years earlier in it's absolute desperation to try to convince the reader of it's divine origin which is riddled with fallacies, the haddith even steals a phrase of Sun Tzu of ancient China 800 years earlier, there is Zoroastrian story, Arab & Jewish a well as Christian Gnostic tales in islam also Hindu influence, it is hashed together and badly, so much so it has failed to convince millions and millions of muslims would have left centuries ago if were not for the most extreme ostracizing and cult attitude to apostasy with 18 countries that still have death sentence for it and countries that have imprisoned and tortured apostates.
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Well .. this is exactly the difference between the level of an islamophobic person and the most learned people of the scriptures ...
You just hatepreach and ignoring everything was discussed in this amazing and enlightening lecture!
How about we engage in something meaningful other than making stupid claims without evidences!?
If you can't.. please just vanish from the world or do something good in your miserable life 🙄
Just a little respond to the stealing point...
Well .. when Jesus repeated the SHAMA .. was he a thief?
Your answer would be of course no .. he just was confirming the previous message of prophet Moses..
Well .. thats exactly our position
That Mohammed was confirming the Truth in the previous scriptures ... and the fact that we also see correcting and rectifying of some ideas in the previous scriptures shows that Mohammed didn't just copy_paste as you Claim .. otherwise we would've seen exactly the same message as it is in the previous scriptures ... in islam we see a consisting message that was given to all previous prophets .. which is Tawheed (absolute monotheism) that Abraham preached all the way down to Mohammad ... even Jesus confirmed it by repeating the Shama.
Stop this hateful behaviour towards Muslims and reason with us instead of copy_pasting stupid claims as you did in your comment .. at the end of the day we all wanna be at the side of God and inter his paradise ... may God guide us all to the truth ...
Peace ✌
A fascinating interview to say the least. I think that average Christians would be shocked by the revelation that Keith and his colleagues affirm the Prophethood of Muhammad ( Saw) and the divinity of the Quran.
I know!
At what place of the video he affirm the Prophecy of The Prophet (peace and blessings upon him)?
@@samimaaroufi4841 Just after 1 hour
@@samimaaroufi4841 57:21 and 1:03:43 for colleagues
Shocked is an understatement. It’s horrifying and it’s their damnation.
What a pleasant human with remarkable clarity and honesty.
Not at all. Men of corrupt minds. Who think they are wise. It says in the last days deceivers will come and deceive many
@@monthapril6441 Can you please shut up? Thanks
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
@@monthapril6441 Why do you believe the Bible is a reliable source of information?
Because God promised to preserve His holy word and God can absolutely do that. The bible is the inerrant word of God infallible and without error. I trust and believe every word, event and prophecy. I believe we are nearing the end of the world and the Antichrist will come to power in a totalitarian world government and fake universal religion. The bible describes a great falling away from faith exactly as we see from this blogger and supposed apex Christian both deny the fundamental doctrine of the Bible. Men have made corrupt versions but these are easy to spot and filled with errors. Why do they copy the Bible? Because it’s genuine article and no one would bother copying a fake. These people earned themselves eternal damnation
Revelation 22:18-19
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Dear Paul & Keith-
Thank you for the wonderful intelligent and informative discussion video, much respect to both of you. Respect to Keith acknowledging what he believes about islam even though he is christian. God bless you both Kind Gentlemen !
May God bless Professor Keith Ward with a long life and good health.....What a beautiful human being:) His smile reflects kindness and love. Prayers and well wishes for both the speakers.
Brother Keith ward has an amazing mind. Thanks a lot guys.
Qur'an mentions such knowledgeable, honest, people of the Book.
indeed!
@@BloggingTheology ﴿سورة المائدة﴾
٨٢) لَتَجِدَنَّ أَشَدَّ النَّاسِ عَدَاوَةً لِلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الْيَهُودَ وَالَّذِينَ أَشْرَكُوا ۖ وَلَتَجِدَنَّ أَقْرَبَهُمْ مَوَدَّةً لِلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الَّذِينَ قَالُوا إِنَّا نَصَارَىٰ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّ مِنْهُمْ قِسِّيسِينَ وَرُهْبَانًا وَأَنَّهُمْ لَا يَسْتَكْبِرُونَ
٨٣) وَإِذَا سَمِعُوا مَا أُنْزِلَ إِلَى الرَّسُولِ تَرَىٰ أَعْيُنَهُمْ تَفِيضُ مِنَ الدَّمْعِ مِمَّا عَرَفُوا مِنَ الْحَقِّ ۖ يَقُولُونَ رَبَّنَا آمَنَّا فَاكْتُبْنَا مَعَ الشَّاهِدِينَ
[Quran Chapter 5]
82. You will find that the people most hostile towards the believers are the Jews and the polytheists. And you will find that the nearest in affection towards the believers are those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks, and they are not arrogant.
83. And when they hear what was revealed to the Messenger, you see their eyes overflowing with tears, as they recognize the truth in it. They say, "Our Lord, we have believed, so count us among the witnesses."
If he's really genuine with himself, true to his knowledge, and honest in front of his God, he would be a Muslim by now or on the path of conversion.
@@samimas4343 the further one get from Isläääm the closer to the truth one comes
@@nemesis1291 Perhaps you didn't watch the video ?
57:27 he answered the question very honestly. May ALLAH guide us all to his correct path.
I think Keith Ward has reached a high level of understanding of what God wants a man is supposed to be. He is calm, charming, gentle, mature, wise, peaceful. Overall, he has a pleasant personality. So, in every religion, there is level (maqom), just like in martial arts there is white belt, black belt, and other various colours in between.
God created humans so they surrender and submit and worship, to follow each order and obey and avoid sins, God doesn't accept the work of man when its not correct meaning not the way Allah sent it down and if not pure meaning man instead of being loyal to his creator he lower the most high and rich and join his level with his creation, having manners and being lovely are sure characteristics that God loves and are infact the characteristics of people of heaven, but a set of wheels without a mobile body won't take you on the road, the path to Allah is straight and has no turns and gates, don't be deceive by outside look when interior is broke, even satan may he be cursed addressed Allah with speech worth of Allah's sovereignty, but doesn't matter? When he is our worst enemy? Who knew we would learn a thing or two from Iblises misery, to address God respectfully when we are at our most miserable state but the real lesson here if Allah orders you to submit , you say Olrighty my almighty.
Keith Ward, as much humble a man can be. Such a gentlemanly discussion that you have presented us with today, dear brother Paul! Love you for that.
The news that Sir Keith Ward and most of his fellow Christian theologians believe in the fact that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was indeed a prophet of God and the revelation that he(saw) received was indeed from the Almighty, is quite uplifting for me as a Muslim.
I can only pray and hope that he receives Allah's hidaya and comes to the fold of Islam.
I also hope that he shares his new knowledge regarding Islam and its prophet (saw) so that his non-theologian Christian followers now can look at the matter in positive light. And it sure will bring the followers of both faith much closer together.
Finally, I pray for you my dear brother Paul so that you live a long, prosperous, happy and pious life. Aameen. ❤️🤲
Brother Syed, there are millions of people on the planet who say that they are muslims, yet they don't pray, they don't pay zakat, they do not fast in the month of Ramadan, they do not have the intent to do the Haj. They are muslims all right, they are "bad" muslims.
Using the same standard, I would say that Prof Ward is indeed a muslim (because he believes that prophet Muhammad (saw) is a genuine prophet of God and he believes that there is One God.....so he is a muslim, a "bad" muslim.
@@diahiskandarbinmohamadjani7674
Aren't we all,
Especially those of us who justify our own actions, or by claiming our own prayers, zakat and fasting can save us.
When these things are only ever for our own benefit, not for Allah who has no need of them.
To know that there is no complution in religion takes on another meaning, taking things too far, looking from the other wrong side of the same fence they have crossed over to. The Gog and the Magog, when the truth was always the middle way inbetween the two extremes.
The biggest mistake someone claiming to be a Muslim can make is to think like that, that they are saving themselves by doing these actions, they have already gotten the benefit of what they do by telling others who can see how great they were.
It is what is in the heart that makes someone a true person who is submitting to their Creator, all other things can be forgiven, but not a black self-centred heart that only sees themselves as righteous.
The whole point of life is to become grateful for the life each of us have been fore-given. That's is our re-spons-ibility.
I feel so sorry for those entitled people who claim to hold Islam hostage and claim to be true Muslims, when in fact they are the ones destined for the hellfire.
Superbly handled, you asked all the questions that kept coming to my mind as the interview progressed. Absolutely Delightful! What a treat!
Thanks!
That was an amazing interview. Paul, I could see you had immense respect for Keith Ward and you thoroughly enjoyed that interview. In many instances, you were like a kid in a sweet shop
😆 true!
What brother Paul is achieving in these interviews out matches what would 10 other theology channels are doing, what a wonderful and highly pact with education this one was!
Titus 3:10-11 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
Hell is a place of ETERNAL burning torment
@@monthapril6441 That's terrible.
Fascinating conversation, again! The final part where he talked about Islam made me cry.
"You surely cannot guide whoever you like ˹O Prophet˺, but it is Allah Who guides whoever He wills, and He knows best who are ˹fit to be˺ guided"28:56
@Rayrad 696 nothing in the heavens and earth can prove the bible to be the word of god,get a life.
@Rayrad 696 interesting point about Jesus not interpreting the bible,what Jesus said and did is the Gospel which was revelations from the Creator.why didn’t jesus change the law when he was alive?and why didn’t jesus make the witnesses see and hear when he appeared to Paul on the road to Damascus?because some saw and didn’t hear and some heard but didn’t see.
@Rayrad 696 go away
@Rayrad 696 If you are right about Jesus Christ, then your god is the only weakest god known today by human being like us because your god is the only god that was killed by his men[his own creation!]and also your god is the most stupid god because your god can only think of one thing, that is to die on a cross and can't think of other alternatives except dying on a cross when solving his people's [his worshipers!]problems!.
Is it logical that in order for your god to save the whole world, your god needs to die!
Is it logical that that the only things that Your god knows is only to "die" on a cross when solving his creations' [worshipers?!]problems/sins.
Is it logical that your god [Jesus Christ!]was only "created" during the Council of Nicaea in 325AD where other great Prophets like Adam, Moses, Abraham, etc never "worship" him as god!.
Even the Mother of God[Mother Mary]never worship her son Jesus Christ as god or called him as god, so, what more to you as ordinary Christians?!
@Rayrad 696 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 first god born in heaven ?? Who created heaven before ur god ? It self ? I think theology is far far hight above ur comprehending !! Even my child couldn't think ur way even thought he watch a lot of japoneses cartoons!! Let's just say u are an ignorant arrogant who doesn't know that he doesnt know!!..y keep following ur ancestors theologies therefore u dont even comprehend the true meaning of THE GOD .
What a high level of debate full of knowledge, all for free. Thanks Paul for elevating the religion debate and argumentation. Wonderful open minded guest.
Wow! 😳 I have no words, 😶 but only to express my utmost love and gratitude towards our Creator for exposing me to this video showing an excellent example of how we should treat each other in religious context! May our Lord continue to Bless you both.👌✌️🤲☝️😇
Paul messed it up , Paul is fixing it. Thank you brother.
Couldn't agree more
Lol, that's spot on
Good one 👍
takes a paul to know
i love this one
brilliant interview! Keep bringing this unique content. It's amazing the massively wide disconnect between the beliefs of the general masses of Christians and the belief of their own scholars.
Three persons in one substance, a technical word just pulled out of the air!~ Pr. Keith ward 😂
Very true! An intellectual scandal.
Then when does it become an onus on these scholars to educate the masses or are they obfuscating deliberately
@Lilia murah that was interesting to read to say the least.
@Lilia murah a lot of Christians do spread Christianity by any means some even go against their bible to go against Islam, that’s why they have the Vatican church library composed of hundreds of years old books blocked off from the world.
Thank you Paul and thank you Rev Prof keith Ward.
Learned a lot! Love you for that br. Paul
Appreciated
Thank you for taking your time to make these amazing videos. You are doing a tremendous service for humanity
Wow, thank you
Excellent ! i liked it even if i'm not a english speaking person (i'm in France) , i clearly understood every word. That's academic level i like with intelligent humour. Bravo Paul!
Excellent discussion, and very humble, knowledgeable gust. Thanks to you both for sharing.
It is very very informative stream. Thank u brother Paul for this. Peace
What a gracious and wise and knowledgeable christen theologian. God bless both of you and thank you for this great interview.
This is a rich, informative discussion gentle men . Thank you so much, May Good bless you both.
What a lovely conversation with our Brother Paul.
This is very refreshing. Certainly a departure from what we usually see i.e. shouting match kind of Islam/Christian debate. Congratulations both of you Paul & Keith.👌
Inshallah Mr. Ward ever comes to Islam, Brother Paul would be part of it, for getting him to think along those lines. Brave question, brother Paul.
Paul, you facilitate laziness like no other. In a world of short attention spans, where reading books are a mission, the POVs that you bring to the table from your readings and esteemed guests is nothing less then an amazing subscriber experience. 👏🤟
❤️
He is preaching heresy and lies. A fool and heretic. The path to Hell is wide and MANY will go there. There is only ONE way to heaven. Accept you are a sinner that nothing you could ever do will be enough to pay for your salvation. That God sent His only begotten Son to save the world. That Jesus Christ paid for your salvation and offers you eternal life if your believe in Him.
@@monthapril6441 so human sacrifice? Can i sacrifice you too for my son's sins?
Genesis 22:8
And Abraham said, My son, God will provide HIMSELF a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
GOD CAME IN THE FLESH AND GAVE HIMSELF AS PAYMENT FOR SIN
@@monthapril6441 yeah, the Bible is messed up, it isn't historically preserved,
Also if God sacrificed himself he is dead,
If he isn't dead and is still alive today, what kind of sacrifice is that? A pinch on arm?
He acknowledges that the prophet(pbuh) is a prophet of Allah(swt)
He acknowledges that the glorious Quran is the literal words of Allah(swt)
Yet somehow he cannot bring himself to Islam.
The ego is the veil between Humans and God- Rumi
How true
Is he trinitarian
At the end of the day it's not even about proving the validity of the last Prophet and the Revelation given to him.
Allah guides whomever he wills and leads astray whomsoever he wills. We tend to forget that.
Even his uncles Abu Jahl and Abu Lahab once had a moment of honesty in a secret meeting in the middle of one night and said "what do we make of Muhammed and this Qur'an that comes out of his lips?" they remained silent for a bit and then finally came to a conclusion "we can't deny it. It's the truth. But we can't admit that Banu Hashem have a Prophet they would have outdone us for good, we can never compete with that".
Muhammed PBUH was from Banu Hashim tribe lineage, his two uncles were from Banu Umayyah. The two cousin tribes were always rivals and competing with each other in everything.
In the end those two never professed Islam purely out of ego and pride, despite knowing with certainty that it's the truth.
@@RahatQadri Perhaps but the key to being a muslim is the shahada.
@@RahatQadri Of course i agree with that. But would Prof Ward fall in that category? Allahu’alam
@@SalH-sx3ip If one didn't get the message or didn't reach him, _they are not to blame_ .
Take for example the people in North Korea, they're effectively in prison their whole lives from the rest of the world. On Judgement day while the rest of us are getting are due accounts, they will have their own test to determine their final abode.
This is out of the Mercy of Allah and his Justice.
May ALLAH guide the professor to pronounce his shahadah, I remember watching his video when he testified to the truthfulness of the prophet Muhammad ﷺ decades ago. Wow brother Paul, the professor surely is a lot closer to Islam than thought, just his explanation alone makes it clear.
Ameen.
Ameen.
Ameen
*_Every YT clip of BT is a treat to savour intellectually. Professor Ward's view on early traditions is worth listening to._*
This is wonderful!
Eloquence. This is how discussion should be. Dr. Ward is special.
Questions for Keith Ward:
1) On Page 16 of Vision to Pursue you say you felt compelled to reject the traditional Christian doctrine of the inerrancy and infallibility of the Bible because of a glaring error so serious that it was impossible to deny its existence: this is found in just one sentence in the gospel of Matthew 24:34:
‘Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all these things take place.’
This refers to the Second Coming of Jesus and it obviously did not occur within the generation of those then living. Either the gospel writer was in error in attributing this saying to Jesus or Jesus was mistaken. You conclude on page 18 that Jesus was probably mistaken. You mentioned much wriggling and squirming to evade the point! I identify!
But in light of this searing honesty how can Christians today still hold to the doctrine of the Trinity and belief in the Incarnation of God in Jesus? After all, God does not make mistakes.
2) In your later work Re-Thinking Christianity you state (p. 9) that:
‘At the very start of Christian history there was a radical change in Christian beliefs and expectations. Far from being a changeless faith - ‘once delivered to the saints’ - it changed sharply and unexpectedly in its earliest years, in the very first generation.
Could you elaborate further?
3) How do you as a Christian theologian see the prophethood of Muhammad?
This is how Christians consider Muhammad. Jesus himself told about this much before.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. - Mathew 7:15-20
@@prince2132 - agreed. Just compare the 'fruits' (results) of Trinitarianism/ Paulianity = Dark Ages; widespread ignorance ; Colonialism ; mass Slavery ; mass extermination of natives; WW1 ; WW2, etc.
These western Pale-faces always speak with forked tongues as experienced by the native 'Red Indians' of Americas. Snakes & ravenous Wolves is a good description of the followers of Paulianity.
with Islam = Liberation of ppl from Persian & Roman Powers to live & believe freely ; welfare for all poor citizens ; mass education /schools & university's & libraries ; translations of knowledge from around the world ; Birth of Empirical Science ; Hospitals, Observatories, Public Baths & Ablution facilities, Beautiful Gardens & Buildings & Calligraphic Art etc etc.
But the greatest Fruit of all is the MOST IMPORTANT, Primary, simple, common sense idea/belief that GOD IS ONLY 1!
@@prince2132 if you look at Paul's life and compare what you said , it fits that Roman agent perfectly . And it never fits PROPHET Muhammad ( SAWS ) . Look what Paul's teachings have caused and what Islam says . When Rome adopted paulism they fell into destruction . Islam rose and elevated nomadic Arabs from middle of desert to the world , transforming them and all those who entered Islam into the best of nations allowing them to pursue knowledge to get closer to God and never blindly follow rather to ponder upon signs of God. In medieval France , debate was going on wether to consider women as humans , at the same time women in islamic lands built and sponsored universities .
Saul (Paul in the past when he was a King) was a bad man. He killed Christians. But later God changed him. Then he become Paul a disciple of Jesus. He got Holy Spirit and started to preach the word of God with the help of helper (Holy Spirit) which Jesus told in gospel.
Christians consider his works from here on not before like when he was a murderer. From there on he did no sin, not killed any, healed many in Jesus name. Can anyone point any bad works from Paul after he started his ministry? This is what Jesus told we shall know them by their works.
@@prince2132 - just do a Google search for Jesus v paul and you will see hundreds of Biblical quotes where Paul clearly contradicts Jesus.
Paul admitted being a Liar just to spread his own invented religion amongst the gentiles.
"For if the truth of God hath more abounded through MY LIE unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?" (Rom. 3.7)
"Though the more abundantly I love you, the less I be loved. But be it so: ... nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile." (2 Cor. 12.15-16)
As a "man that striveth for the mastery" (1 Cor. 9.25), Paul expounds to the church leaders the modus operandi of the successful propagandist:
"I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, that I might gain them that are without law. ... I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. And this I do for the gospel's sake" (1 Cor. 9.19-23).
Many thanks for both of u & I appreciate the honesty of Keith
Keith ward u r a wise man , I’m praying for you to choose the right path , maybe we would get a great book in the coming year ( hopping so )
God bless u both amen 🤲🌺🌺
He's on the truth already.
Thanks so much brother Paul, may God grant you more wisdom and show you the straight path .
Pleasant change from the usual speakers corner discussions.
There are three signs of a knowledgeable person: knowledge, forbearance, and silence. Both of you have these qualities 🙏
Wow... that's a great comment you made. I have to remember what you said. PEACE
Geeting to you paul and to revt keith ward, very good discussion very fruitful thanks again. 🙏
A marvellously elucidative, knowledgeable discussion, expounding upon the ideology and theories behind a belief system.
As a number of comments have already stated, superb discussion, Paul and, I believe, a highly useful dialogue. Professor Keith Ward’s views on the Prophet of Islam, and the Qur’an, were both generous and unexpected. Keep up the good work.
Your efforts are sadka zariya.
The rewards will be written in your account, and even after your existence in this world they will be written in your account on behalf of others benefiting from these videos.
Thank you!
Keith is faithful Christian and logical theologist. I loved his insightful conversation and as a Muslim I respect his views & beliefs.
Reminds me of the story of the Christian King. The difference is but a line in the sand. Keep up the great work Paul. I’ve been binge watching your videos for about 5 days now!
👍
This was a fascinating episode. I hope it reaches out.
Was very interesting guest .Humbleness and honesty was seen with different mind set than the Christians in Hyde park.
Totally!
Thank you Rev Keith for the talk (and thank you blogging theology). Great to hear the Christian theological perspective and your underlying message of worshipping/believing in God that I interpreted from your discourse. Pleased to hear your honest view of Muhammad (PBUH) and the Quran. May God be pleased with you.
Delightful discussion! But this video should have been in the general 'Videos' playlist.
Yes - my bad!
Wonderful guest.
Thank you.
Very Nice.... Bring in more Academics and Intellectuals!
Love these interviews.
Extremely honest and genuine learned man, Mr. Keith Ward. Am so glad that Blogging Theology able to have this interview done. I have feelings, we will see Mr. Ward successful in hereafter. What a pleasant personality. Mashallah
What a beautiful discussion ... God bless you
This is a mind-boggling discussion!!! Brilliant!!!
Wow! I've been watching your videos for a while now, and i have shared a lot of them, mostly to family and friends who are Christians, but this is by far the best one I came across. I watched another video of yours earlier that led me to this, thank you so much.
We all are brothers and sisters in this world, and we all want to end up in a better place both physically and spiritually in this life and after; I hope to see you and this wonderful of a human being in paradise, Amen. Thank you so much Paul.
Ps..English is not my mother tongue, so please be forgiving of any errors.
You are brave for sharing these videos with your christian family and friends. I have chosen a few that I think might have an open mind to new questions. But most of them doesn't seem ready yet.
The claim of the divinity of the words of the Gospels being the actual words of Jesus was beneficial for Christianity for the first millennea of the church but was eventually destructive to the human faith afterwards.
I dare say that was i was blown away by how insightful this speaker is, how clear he's on some of the most vague n unexplainable notions.
That was an amazing dialogue n i felt blessed to be able to attend n maybe able to learn from it.
Thank you
Extremely important and interesting two points you've highlighted!
I'm being educated about this.
Thank you again,
Jazaka Allahu kheir (جزاك الله خير)
May Allah reward you the best.
It was a very nice discussions and I admire Keith Ward’s responses to some of the later questions re Islam and Prophet Muhammed (pbuh).
What a wonderful discussion this was!! 👏
Continuing gratitude for all your efforts, Paul.
He is indeed almost a Muslim. Perhaps realizing that embracing the Truth will actually bring him closer in his love for Christ, and to God, rather than betraying his familiar , comfortable tradition , might just be the last tumbler in the lock upon his mind. May we all be guided closer to the Truth.
Thank you Paul for this delightful video
You are very welcome
Brother Paul you are doing an awesome job bringing those hidden topics on the table is highly appreciated. You are a legend and Allah will bless you for all your good work for islam.
Cheers
You are very welcome
I spend my Ramadhan listening to your videos. Keep up the good work, may God bless you brother :)
Thank you, I will
Thank you, brother Paul. What a fascinating interview!
What a delightful scholarly discourse 🙂
Wow! What a fascinating interview. Absolutely surprised to hear what many Christian theologians believe about Islam and the prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him). Many eye opening information. We need more people like Keith to bring peace and harmony in this world. As always, thank you Paul for this great interview.
What a fascinating discussion!
Utmost thanks to both of you.
May Allah SWT bless your hearts. Ameen.
Many many thanks
I have read nearly all of Keith ward’s books and videos he is a renowned scholar in the world.
Your questions are always genuine
Wonderful, insightful, honest and courageous conversations in a secular materialistic world. May the creator of the worlds bless you both! I’d suggest a simple starting point would be for theologians, scholars, politicians and the media to talk about ALL the Semitic faiths as ‘Abrahamic faith traditions & values’ as opposed to ‘Judeo-Christian & Western values’ which they commonly do.
My other learning from that chat above was: ‘Authentic Jewish-Christians were in fact Moslems!’ (as these eye witnesses fully accepted Jesus’ message of renewal & Tawheed as per Allah’s will).
Thank you Paul, much appreciated
Very welcome
Very useful discussion. Enjoyed the straightforwardness, sincerity of both. Allah bless you both.
Brother Paul, can you please please provide subtitles/captions in English, Chinese and other languages like you've done so well in some of your other videos? It would be sooooooo helpful. Thank you so much. May Allah SWT guide you the the right path and make this path easy for you (Ameen)
I will try my best
A very interesting conversation and well worth staying the course for.
Please could you please add timestamps for your long videos? Thanks waiting to watch this.
yes will do
@@BloggingTheology that would be lovely
Thank you for sharing this interview. I do hope there are more Christians representative of Keith's stance.
You can easily see professor ward is touched by the light of divine and god.
What an interesting calm and open conversation....may Allah bless you and guide you.
Brother Paul , I think you need to add arabic subtitles on this one.. this video is highly important.. brilliant idea thank you. 👍
Working on it
@@BloggingTheology can't wait , may Allah reward you best thanks for your efficiency you are remarkably amazing choosing your videos. 🙏❤️
Vous faites un travail fascinant, mon frère Paul.
Qu'Allah vous récompense dans cette vie et dans celle de l'au-delà.
Curious to know if you Paul took your shahada? If you dont mind me asking.
Love all of your discussions so far. Thanks for sharing your passion. May Allah be pleased with you.
Mashallah!
Certainly this dialogue's ecumenism is encouraging. A discussion that would be hard to fathom without some knowledge of Patristics and first centuries thinking of early Christian Churches. Much appreciated Paul.
It would be amazing if we can get Bart Erhman and we can discuss to him our view of Jesus
It would be celestial 😇
Thank you Paul for this wonderful interview.
Thank you for this delightful conversation
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Keith Ward speak with honesty and sincerity.
Thank you for sharing a wonderful interview where mutual respect between faiths still exists. Isn’t it possible that many people have Muslim beliefs but not know that they are Muslim? God described the Prophets in the Quran as those who submitted. Hence the term Muslim.
What does "submitted" mean? I don't understand
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Check out Quran 2:136
The word submit is translated from the word Muslim.
@@mok8591 Okay... thanks
What a beautiful thought 😘😘
Mr Keith is very very humble and sincere. May Allah bless and guide him.
What an interesting interview
People of the Book...Respect to Professor, Paul well done for holding a respectful interview...
Interview seems to be "respectful" only when the authenticity and credibility of the Bible is challenged.
When the authenticity and credibility of Islamic books is challenged, then the interview or the other guy would probably be considered "disrespectful" or "Islamophobic"
Paul, thanks for the interesting interview! If I can add my two bits worth: one of the reasons the Anglican church is dying in the UK is because of the type of theological liberalism espoused by ivory tower theologians like Keith Ward. Fortunately such noxious gobbledygook hasn't filtered down to all such churches but where it has their pews are lifeless or empty. If both Christianity and Islam are both equally valid human attempts to reach out to the divine, then the pluralistic interpretation of 'Christianity' presented by your interviewee is a far cry from the 'faith once delivered to the saints.'
I really like your observations. I really know nothing about either Islam or Keith Ward ( except what he said in this discussion).
I really like your last sentence. It makes me think. Obviously Islam and Christianity are different religious worldviews and therefore they come across as "human attempts to reach out to the divine." I don't personally like the words "human attempts" because they seem to exclude the desire of God to reach out to us.
I do believe that Christianity of modern times is indeed a "far cry from the 'faith once delivered to the saints." So I wonder what will Christianity evolve into? I hope the cornerstone of Jesus the Christ remains part of "the faith once delivered to the saints."
Thanks for sharing John in Florida
Very smart and interesting discussions. Keep it going. Thank you.
Br Paul would have been an excellent RE teacher in high school
No - he wouldn't. He needs a bit more depth of knowledge, a bigger picture, and more ability to think on his feet. He's be fine at getting people through exams, but there's more to it than that.
@@jamesupton4996 Yes he would be of an excellence unlike you who of failures
@@ajajjjaj9233 How so?
@@jamesupton4996 so what questions are high school pupils going to ask where he can't think fast enough?.
@@yeahbuddy4712 Depends on the topic, but I would imagine his stance on Paul and Jesus would be up for grabs. Even a high school student who read around enough would find material.
Jazak Allah Khairan! I think we all worship the same "God described as omnipotent and benevolent" from our own perceptions.
great interview, the last bit was indeed shocking giving what we see of vulgarity and the insulative behaviors of many 'unChristian' Christians towards Islam and the prophet.
This “unchristian” you talk about are true believers - these two are apostate
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So he just turned the other cheek
Good one Paul. Thanks. It's music to my hears. I will look out for Keith Ward's books. I like his approach. Pope Francis is also more open to other faiths. His line is respect what is 'true and holy' in other faiths. In his visit to Sri Lanka he went into a Buddhist temple to meet up monks. Vatican II was really a turning point. In my own journey I started studying Islam from 2008, in my retirement; with a help of a London based teacher of Islam. After study I still carry on as a Christian like Keith Ward' respecting Islam and other faiths; with my Christianity fully strengthened until we all meet again in front of the creator.
So your Christianity was "fully strengthened" when you learned about Quran and Islam? That is quite interesting. I'm just learning about the Quran.
If I may ask, how do you correlate the ideas in Quran that Jesus is not the Son of God with the Christian belief that He was/is ? I don't think there is any way to bridge the disagreement in those two beliefs. ( Would we even want to build such a bridge? It would probably collapse !).
Anyhow.... I like your honesty. However I also struggle with the idea of all religions leading to God.
Hope you don't mind my questions. John in Florida
@@johnbrzykcy3076 Thanks. chrishewer.org for the teacher of Islam I used. His lectures are also on youtube. Look out for Robert Spencer's books. His new one is due in July 2021. See his answers to my questions in Jay Smith show. Christian Bishops like Arius were excommunicated and his followers moved far away from the main stream. There were others too who drifted away. There were also agnostics giving a different picture of Jesus' death on the cross. You must see the famous debate between Shabir Ally and a Lady scholar from USA. Quranic/Islamic view is thus different from views of Western Church and some Eastern Churches who were 500 years ahead in development. Other useful authors are Philip Jenkins (Jesus Wars), Tom Holland (In the Shadow of the Sword) and Sidney Griffiths (cited by Usman Sheikh). It's a vast minefield. I have seen so many debates on youtube class rooms. I am continuing to read and circulate. Are you taking part in the zoom unbelievable Conference 2021 - 15th May 2021. Basic ticket only £9.99. I got the premier ticket for £19.50 incl an ebook etc.
@@Chandransingham Thanks for all the information. I appreciate it. God bless and PEACE... By the way, I live in Florida
@@johnbrzykcy3076 You are welcome. In 1984 we passed through Florida, Orlando. Stayed with friendly young evangelists parents. Forgot the name. It could be 'Shepherd'. They helped us to visit Disneyland. Very kind people.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 Also get hold of The Study Quran (2017). Read Joseph Lumbard's paper on wrath of God cf with Bishop Robert Barron's recent talk on Violence in the Old Testament.
Wow Paul
Jazak Allah Khair
Really excellent content as usual, excellent questions were asked, the conversation was seemless and smooth. I have (unfortunately for me) never heard of this man till today but I'm thankful for having the opportunity to listen to him and take some wonderful insights along the way and will look up some of his works and as I am honored to have had the chance to come to know of him. Appreciate the wonderful interview. BarackAllahu feek
Great! Happy reading!