*Timestamps:* 00:00 - Introduction 00:28 - Background of Dr. Ali Ataie 00:39 - Today's Topic 01:24 - Introduction to the Topic 02:06 - The Claim of the Christian Polemicist & Modern Atheist 05:48 - No Copy and Paste Job! 08:15 - Important Preliminary Questions 17:04 - New Testament Authorship as per the Christian tradition 17:44 - Authorship as per the General Consensus of Critical Scholars 19:06 - Facts about the New Testament Canon 29:30 - Matthew and Paul 40:33 - Papias & "Mark:" Was Papias actually describing ’The Gospel of Mark?’ 46:20 - In Reality, It's All Apocrypha 47:20 - Historicity of the Christian Texts & Beliefs 49:41 - What's a Christian? 54:22 - Hadith vs The New Testament 56:14 - ’Many’ were Writing ’Stories’ about Jesus 59:46 - There is ’Gospel Truth’ outside the New Testament! 1:01:25 - The Truth about Christian Beliefs & Texts 1:05:01 - Polemicist Double Standards 1:06:49 - Canonical NT Writers quoting or referencing noncanonical writings 1:15:55 - Multiple Attestation & Social Coherence 1:29:30 - Method of Paul & the Gospel Writers 1:35:48 - The Qur'anic view of Jesus: Is it historically plausible? 2:07:46 - OT Apocryphal/Deuterocanonical References by the Gospel Writers 2:17:46 - The Proto-Gospel of James vs the Qur'an 2:28:29 - The Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew (aka Infancy Gospel of Matthew) vs the Qur'an 2:40:41 - The Infancy Gospel of Thomas vs the Qur'an 2:53:00 - The Arabic Gospel of the Infancy of the Saviour/Syriac Infancy Gospel vs the Qur'an 2:57:05 - Summary of the Presentation 2:57:19 - Book Recommendations 2:58:30 - Closing Remarks & Wrapping Up SubhanAllah ❤️💛💙 Marvelous Presentation & Discussion 👍🏻👌🏻 _May Allah ﷻ bless you both and reward you for your efforts._ 🤲🏻
I read Bible a long time ago, and I am happy to learn that Dr Ataie validated what I had concluded back then. In summary, the catholic Bible was first published in 1609 and the protestant Bible in 1611. There was no Bible before that. There were scattered sources in various languages written long after the actual events and Bible authors used those sources. Some actual words of God from Torah, Psalms or Gospel might have been included but it’s all mixed up with writers’ own account and is more of a commentary or a narrative review of all sources and interpretations combined. Thus, Quran which was published in 632 CE could not have copied from a book that got published 1000 years later. On the other hand, Quran lays down the principles of a wide range of subjects including ethics, religious beliefs, governance, economics, archeology, astronomy, biology and medicine. There is not much Arabic literature prior to Quran. How can one explain that the prophet of Islam peace be upon him managed to compile all the data in his head, edited it in his head and started orally disseminating it over a period of 23 years to complete a product, that has it own unique form. It is not in a standard book form - prose, poetry or drama. It is like a dream in which you jump from one scene to another with a running commentary in the background, but unlike dream, which often makes no sense, it is all connected to a core message and internally and externally consistent while remaining eloquent. That's what the challenge is about to produce a book like that. The miracles of Moses or Jesus were witnessed by people of that time and who knows what they saw. Quran is available for all learned people to examine. So the question is how was it produced if not by revelation?
One of the ways our teachers say to defend the Qurān is to memorise the Qurān and send our kids to the Masjid to memorise the Qurān. Allāh give me and us all the ability to memorise, act upon and teach the Qurān Āmīn!
understanding the quran and its sciences is just as important:if not more By undertsanding its content that helps the memorisation memorisation in and of itself shudnt be goal and objective Allah knows best
@@rebasingh258 Please apply the noble price elections and the Olympics to 2000 years back and we will see a very different picture. Don’t forget that modern science and technology is based on works of classical giants. You should broaden up your historical horizon.
Not just memorising but actually understanding it fully as well. To many Muslims nowadays have become like parrots unfortunately and I know so many Muslims that don’t even know the basic translations of Surah Fatiha 🤦🏾♂️. This is why many non Muslims mock us unlike centuries before when Muslims would memorise the Quran and understand the Arabic fully. But nowadays our Sheikhs that teach us the Quran in madrasas don’t even understand the Quran themselves. In the non Arabic speaking countries we need to teach the children how to learn Arabic, teach them how to read Arabic, write Arabic and speak Arabic in conversation while memorising the Quran. There are millions of Muslims walking around not knowing the basic translation of even Fatiha but are just parroting the Quran. The Quran did not come down to just be a parroting book subhanallah 🤦🏾♂️
I am a follower of Jesus and I absolutely learn more about "Christianity"and Islam from Dr Ali Ataie than from any other human alive today by listening to Blogging Theology as I work. May the Lord be magnified. Assalamualaikum. Shalom Aleichem.
WHO IS THE MESSENGER in this Quranic verse? surah 4: 64-65 We only sent messengers to be obeyed by Allah’s Will. If only those ˹hypocrites˺ came to you ˹O Prophet˺-after wronging themselves-seeking Allah’s forgiveness and the Messenger prayed for their forgiveness, they would have certainly found Allah ever Accepting of Repentance, Most Merciful. But no! By your Lord, they will never be ˹true˺ believers until they accept you ˹O Prophet˺ as the judge in their disputes, and find no resistance within themselves against your decision and submit wholeheartedly. Is this messenger JESUS? Where you have to ask Jesus to pray on behalf of you for your SINS? John 14: 6 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
@@joyphillips1821 I've never read the Quran but I'm a Christian believer. Indeed I believe Jesus is the "messenger" and beloved Son of God who offers us forgiveness of sins. I appreciate your comments. Peace of God to you from Florida
@@joyphillips1821no its not jesus. The hypocrites were called to come to Muhammad pbuh. But seek forgiveness from Allah not from him as is crystal clear in the verse.
Alhamdullilah, I'm glad you live in England for my sake because you are uploading before 5am my time in the US and I work at 6am so I will get to listen to this during the morning's work. 😊 Thank you brother Paul and Dr. Ali Ataie for your work.
We are lucky to have the Quran. Alhamdulillah, Allah is indeed merciful. Thank you Paul for inviting Dr Ali with this great knowledge. May Allah reward you brother Paul for your work on your channel. ❤❤❤
I don't understand how is it the Koran punishes apostates with Hell.. As one can't force oneself to believe what one dosen't believe, why would he do that? Makes no sense to me...
Christianity has jesus punishing people with hell for not professing with theyre tongue! Which means hell for rejection and apostasy! Judasim has the death penalty for apostasy, islams death penalty is for the apsotate that makes it public and tries to sow discird amongst the muslims, plenty apostates walking around kiving breathing, there are rukes in death penalty for apostasy! You don't want to try to understand @pietrredyell409
Thank you so much brother Paul, for finally hosting our favourite Sheikh (Professor Ali Ataie) what a deep and scholarly presentation. May ALLAH (SWT) rewards both of you.
🙄 ohhh yes. The Jesus of the Bible is "100% man and 100% God." For me as a Muslim, it's like hearing someone scratch a chalkboard 😖. May Allah guide them!
Magisterial is indeed right. This felt more like an epic journey than an academic lecture. Amazing stuff. Alhamdou Lillah for blessing us with Islam, and for people like Brother Paul and Professor Ali Ataie. Thank you all for this incredibly informative, faith-affirming engagement.
@@rebasingh258ow do you justify Church and Pope sanctioned Inquisition of Europe where genocide and ethnic cleansing of Jews and Muslims was committed by Christians? See the difference here?
@@rebasingh258those are french citizens, educated in french schools. By the way, when would descendants of immigrants stop being considered immigrants? We are talking about third and fourth generation immigrants here in France.
A great lecture by your esteemed and knowledgeable guest Dr Ali Ataie , Thank you so much Brother Paul for this upload & Jazakoum Allah khayran for your fantastic channel .
So many things I need to do, yet I could not tear myself away from Dr. Ali Ataie's presentation. He's knowledge is so expansive and well documented I feel compelled to take notes to assist in retaining it all. As well as benefiting from it. It obliterates all doubts about the validity of the faith. Masha Allah. Thanks to Brother Paul's successful platform. Insha Allah.
Je suis du Québec et je confirme que les ressources islamiques en anglais sont plus nombreuses et supérieures en anglais. BT est unique au monde et absolument fantastique. salam aleykoum
Excellent presentation by Dr. Ali Ataie. It's always a pleasure listening and learning from Dr. Ali. A ocean of knowledge. Really enjoyed this. Learned a lot and make me hungry to learn and inquire more. Thanks Sir Paul for hosting Dr. Ali. May Allah bless both of you. Can't wait to see Dr. Ali Ataie discussing many more topics.
I'm a Christian believer and I also appreciate Dr. Ali Ataie because of his scholarly views. However although I respect him, that doesn't mean I accept everything he says. Peace of God to you....
Thank you Blogging Theology for facilitating this. And thank you Dr Ali Ataie for sharing your knowledge. May Allah reward you in this life and after life. In part 1, there was a link to the slide. Mind sharing slide for this part too?
As salaamu ‘alaykum! Both Sheikh Hamza Yusuf Mark Hanson and Dr. Ali Ataie are the very best that the world has on these matters. Their approaches are extremely respectful; they are both deeply knowledgeable, unique and the very best I have ever heard! Thank you, Paul, for such remarkable interviews. God bless you! BAFS
I am a Muslim and an Arab, but I find that Muslims have a problem in understanding the universality of Islam... when European and American Muslims change their names to Arabic names, and this is something that is neither binding nor necessary, and at the same time they preserve the Arabic word (Allah) as if God is a proper name, like Muhammad, other than It is translatable, although (Allah) is God in English, and Dieu in French, and Dio in Spanish, but the West intended to preserve the name of Allah in the Arabic pronunciation in order to say that Islam is a local Arab religion and not a global religion, and the Islamic Allah becomes like Jehovah, the God of the Jews, and this is a Western trick.
The only reason Ali Ataie is not as well known as Erhman is because Erhman has managed to write many books. In my opinion dr Ataie is far more knowledgeable though. He just needs to write some more books
Phenomenal as always, mashallah. Paul, when can we anticipate part 2? Also, is there any update on when we can hope for Dr. Ataie's book to be released?
The thing with the Christians always bringing up the apocryphal gospels and things outside of the Torah is that they are ironically portraying the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh&f) to be probably the most knowledgable biblical scholar of all time.
Can he when is not an expert in Biblical or Christian history? His sources of information are from the kind of scholars you are asking him to debate. His presentation materials are not of Muslim source.
@@Kuuzie1ali ataie did masters and phd in related topics. And ali also has the knowledge of islam which bart totally lacks. So ali can look at it from a perspective bart simply can't. But bart would not accept ali's perspective because of his stubborn historian principles. It would lead no where.
I suspect dr Ehrmam never agree to debate with dr. Ataie - Ehrman is an atheist and admit saying that he didn’t study the Quran. He will never agree to this for his scholarship reasons.
JazakumAllahu khayr brothers for this excellent presentation. Another important concept to point out would be the agrapha which are sayings of Jesus PBUH that are not found in the canonical gospels but are still accepted by Hellenistic Christians.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:02 📜 Introduction to the discussion with Dr. Ali Ataie 01:22 🧐 What the Quran is doing with the Christian tradition 05:28 📖 Quranic criticism of Christian beliefs 08:03 📜 Historical context of the New Testament Canon 16:09 📚 What defines a Christian and the role of the Catholic Church 23:33 🕰️ Misconceptions about the Council of Nicaea and the Canon 23:48 📜 Origins of the New Testament Canon 26:21 🕰️ Canon Misconceptions 27:29 📖 Criteria for Canonical Books 34:10 📜 Matthew's Gospel and Pauline Christianity 43:12 📖 Attribution of Mark and Matthew 47:06 📜 Preservation of the Quran and Early Christian Canon 51:32 🕊️ Trinity and Early Christian Beliefs 56:56 📜 Quoting Apocryphal Texts and the Question of Truth 01:09:33 📜 Historical and literary analysis of biblical texts 01:13:01 📜 Janus and Jambres in early Christian writings 01:15:34 📜 Historical plausibility of stories about Jesus and Mary 01:21:21 📜 The uniqueness of John's Gospel 01:28:51 📜 Paul's references to pagan sources 01:30:56 📖 The Method of Incorporating Diverse Texts 01:32:09 📜 Plausibility of Statements Attributed to Jesus 01:33:45 📚 Authenticity of Statements About Jesus in the Quran 01:35:49 🌟 Plausibility of the Virgin Birth 01:50:04 📖 Mary's Defense and Plausible Origin of Virgin Birth Belief 01:53:09 🌟 Jesus and his birth 01:58:58 📜 Quranic view of Jesus 02:04:47 📜 Jesus' teachings in the Quran 02:07:23 📜 Old Testament Apocrypha and New Testament 02:14:52 🕍 Jesus and the Feast of Dedication Made with HARPA AI
Why when the Koran claims Allah punishes apostates with Hell. No one can force themslves to believe what they don't beleive. As such punishment for apostates is evil mad abuse of power... But Allah can't be evi and mad, right? Yep! So the Islam God is false... And that's just one proof that Islam is man made nonsense..
But not everything that glitters is "Pure Gold". Respectfully.. I'm open minded to listen and learn from all kinds of scholars ( Muslim, Christian and atheist) but our priority should be listening to the quiet voice of God the Creator. Peace of God to you...
@@johnbrzykcy3076 in the 1st wolrd Muslim Countries (UAE, KSA, Qatar ect). The glitters often is !!! Let that sink in my friend. may the peace of God be upon you too my Friend... 😁
I appreciate the amazing load of knowledge provided by Dr.Ali Ataie, may Allah preserve him and strengthen his Faith. And I also would like to call those who for example despise Sheikh Al Islam Ibn Taymiyyah because of ignorance to investigate him a little bit for he was a masterclass at calling out different sects. I noticed unfortunately a raise of a certain category of Muslims who spit in the face of many scholars such as Ibn Al Uthaymeen, Ibn Baz, Al Fawzan, Al Madkhali...etc while not knowing that they are as marvelous as the Doctor here or even more in term of their academical depth. With that being said I ask Allah to give us sincerity in the quest for knowledge and to give us success in the implementation of it. Assalam Alaikum.
Thank you for this meaty presentation. No doubt that Dr. Ataie brings forth solid scholarship; however, what stands out for me throughout his presentations -- time and again -- is when he resorts to common sense to drive his points home, usually when he goes like this: "imagine ......" Dr. Ataie knows how to simplify his arguments, and simple is powerful, truth is meant to be simple for everyone to have a fair shot at understanding it using uncorrupted common sense.
That was quite good actually. I enjoyed that. A couple holes in the presentation now and then that could be poked, but overall a beautiful rhetoric. Way more plausible than anything Carrier proposes.
AS-Salam 3alaykom wa RahmatuLlah wa Barakatouh, first thanks for your work brother. May Allah bless you. I have an important request... Can you, please, do a video about historical or archeological proofs of the existence of Mecca before 8th century (or before Islam) please ? I can't find anything... And it's clearly difficult to answer my orthodox co-worker (it weakened my faith, but it's still there al Hamdoulilah). I apologies for my bad English, I'm French and I've learned by my own !
*Timestamps:*
00:00 - Introduction
00:28 - Background of Dr. Ali Ataie
00:39 - Today's Topic
01:24 - Introduction to the Topic
02:06 - The Claim of the Christian Polemicist & Modern Atheist
05:48 - No Copy and Paste Job!
08:15 - Important Preliminary Questions
17:04 - New Testament Authorship as per the Christian tradition
17:44 - Authorship as per the General Consensus of Critical Scholars
19:06 - Facts about the New Testament Canon
29:30 - Matthew and Paul
40:33 - Papias & "Mark:" Was Papias actually describing ’The Gospel of Mark?’
46:20 - In Reality, It's All Apocrypha
47:20 - Historicity of the Christian Texts & Beliefs
49:41 - What's a Christian?
54:22 - Hadith vs The New Testament
56:14 - ’Many’ were Writing ’Stories’ about Jesus
59:46 - There is ’Gospel Truth’ outside the New Testament!
1:01:25 - The Truth about Christian Beliefs & Texts
1:05:01 - Polemicist Double Standards
1:06:49 - Canonical NT Writers quoting or referencing noncanonical writings
1:15:55 - Multiple Attestation & Social Coherence
1:29:30 - Method of Paul & the Gospel Writers
1:35:48 - The Qur'anic view of Jesus: Is it historically plausible?
2:07:46 - OT Apocryphal/Deuterocanonical References by the Gospel Writers
2:17:46 - The Proto-Gospel of James vs the Qur'an
2:28:29 - The Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew (aka Infancy Gospel of Matthew) vs the Qur'an
2:40:41 - The Infancy Gospel of Thomas vs the Qur'an
2:53:00 - The Arabic Gospel of the Infancy of the Saviour/Syriac Infancy Gospel vs the Qur'an
2:57:05 - Summary of the Presentation
2:57:19 - Book Recommendations
2:58:30 - Closing Remarks & Wrapping Up
SubhanAllah ❤️💛💙
Marvelous Presentation & Discussion 👍🏻👌🏻
_May Allah ﷻ bless you both and reward you for your efforts._ 🤲🏻
@asadullahsaaid3794 thank you!
@@BloggingTheology *You're Most Welcome Sir* 😊☺️
@@BloggingTheology An excellent video, Ali Ataie is one of the forefront scholars in comparative religious studies and this video shows his expertise.
Bless you brother
@@FBI-fm6dm بارك الله فيك أخي 🤍
As a Revert to Islam, this account of my former religion of Christianity makes so much sense. Thank you, Brothers.
I read Bible a long time ago, and I am happy to learn that Dr Ataie validated what I had concluded back then. In summary, the catholic Bible was first published in 1609 and the protestant Bible in 1611. There was no Bible before that. There were scattered sources in various languages written long after the actual events and Bible authors used those sources. Some actual words of God from Torah, Psalms or Gospel might have been included but it’s all mixed up with writers’ own account and is more of a commentary or a narrative review of all sources and interpretations combined.
Thus, Quran which was published in 632 CE could not have copied from a book that got published 1000 years later. On the other hand, Quran lays down the principles of a wide range of subjects including ethics, religious beliefs, governance, economics, archeology, astronomy, biology and medicine. There is not much Arabic literature prior to Quran.
How can one explain that the prophet of Islam peace be upon him managed to compile all the data in his head, edited it in his head and started orally disseminating it over a period of 23 years to complete a product, that has it own unique form. It is not in a standard book form - prose, poetry or drama. It is like a dream in which you jump from one scene to another with a running commentary in the background, but unlike dream, which often makes no sense, it is all connected to a core message and internally and externally consistent while remaining eloquent. That's what the challenge is about to produce a book like that. The miracles of Moses or Jesus were witnessed by people of that time and who knows what they saw. Quran is available for all learned people to examine. So the question is how was it produced if not by revelation?
I could listen to Dr. Ataie for hours, and I do. Allah bless and reward you both for spreading such valuable knowledge.
One of the ways our teachers say to defend the Qurān is to memorise the Qurān and send our kids to the Masjid to memorise the Qurān. Allāh give me and us all the ability to memorise, act upon and teach the Qurān Āmīn!
Indonesian Christian kid loves the call to prayer
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understanding the quran and its sciences is just as important:if not more
By undertsanding its content that helps the memorisation
memorisation in and of itself
shudnt be goal and objective
Allah knows best
@@rebasingh258
Please apply the noble price elections and the Olympics to 2000 years back and we will see a very different picture. Don’t forget that modern science and technology is based on works of classical giants.
You should broaden up your historical horizon.
Ameen
Not just memorising but actually understanding it fully as well. To many Muslims nowadays have become like parrots unfortunately and I know so many Muslims that don’t even know the basic translations of Surah Fatiha 🤦🏾♂️. This is why many non Muslims mock us unlike centuries before when Muslims would memorise the Quran and understand the Arabic fully. But nowadays our Sheikhs that teach us the Quran in madrasas don’t even understand the Quran themselves. In the non Arabic speaking countries we need to teach the children how to learn Arabic, teach them how to read Arabic, write Arabic and speak Arabic in conversation while memorising the Quran. There are millions of Muslims walking around not knowing the basic translation of even Fatiha but are just parroting the Quran. The Quran did not come down to just be a parroting book subhanallah 🤦🏾♂️
I am a follower of Jesus and I absolutely learn more about "Christianity"and Islam from Dr Ali Ataie than from any other human alive today by listening to Blogging Theology as I work. May the Lord be magnified. Assalamualaikum. Shalom Aleichem.
WHO IS THE MESSENGER in this Quranic verse? surah 4: 64-65 We only sent messengers to be obeyed by Allah’s Will. If only those ˹hypocrites˺ came to you ˹O Prophet˺-after wronging themselves-seeking Allah’s forgiveness and the Messenger prayed for their forgiveness, they would have certainly found Allah ever Accepting of Repentance, Most Merciful.
But no! By your Lord, they will never be ˹true˺ believers until they accept you ˹O Prophet˺ as the judge in their disputes, and find no resistance within themselves against your decision and submit wholeheartedly.
Is this messenger JESUS? Where you have to ask Jesus to pray on behalf of you for your SINS?
John 14: 6
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
@@joyphillips1821 I've never read the Quran but I'm a Christian believer. Indeed I believe Jesus is the "messenger" and beloved Son of God who offers us forgiveness of sins. I appreciate your comments.
Peace of God to you from Florida
@@joyphillips1821no its not jesus. The hypocrites were called to come to Muhammad pbuh. But seek forgiveness from Allah not from him as is crystal clear in the verse.
Peace be upon you 🤲
God bless you Benjamin.
Always looking forward for Dr Ali’s appearances on BT 🙏🏻👏🏻 it always means precious, insightful information
May Allah Bless and Reward Both of you in this Life and in the Hereafter.
Dr. Ali Ataie is always a pearl on BT. His are always loàded presentations. May Allah protect him and reward him
Another 3 hour banger and with Dr Ali Atai no less 😁 May Allah bless you for all your work sir
Alhamdullilah, I'm glad you live in England for my sake because you are uploading before 5am my time in the US and I work at 6am so I will get to listen to this during the morning's work. 😊
Thank you brother Paul and Dr. Ali Ataie for your work.
Salam, may I ask for a favour after your permission
We are lucky to have the Quran. Alhamdulillah, Allah is indeed merciful. Thank you Paul for inviting Dr Ali with this great knowledge. May Allah reward you brother Paul for your work on your channel. ❤❤❤
I don't understand how is it the Koran punishes apostates with Hell.. As one can't force oneself to believe what one dosen't believe, why would he do that? Makes no sense to me...
@@DisasterGuy2142 I see... According to you I am free to chose to believe that 1+1 =3?
Christianity has jesus punishing people with hell for not professing with theyre tongue! Which means hell for rejection and apostasy! Judasim has the death penalty for apostasy, islams death penalty is for the apsotate that makes it public and tries to sow discird amongst the muslims, plenty apostates walking around kiving breathing, there are rukes in death penalty for apostasy! You don't want to try to understand @pietrredyell409
Always a pleasure, please have Dr. Ataie on more often!
Thank you so much brother Paul, for finally hosting our favourite Sheikh (Professor Ali Ataie) what a deep and scholarly presentation. May ALLAH (SWT) rewards both of you.
This is an extremely important lecture for muslims to benefit from. Especially in our discussions with christians.
🙄 ohhh yes. The Jesus of the Bible is "100% man and 100% God." For me as a Muslim, it's like hearing someone scratch a chalkboard 😖. May Allah guide them!
Magisterial is indeed right. This felt more like an epic journey than an academic lecture. Amazing stuff. Alhamdou Lillah for blessing us with Islam, and for people like Brother Paul and Professor Ali Ataie. Thank you all for this incredibly informative, faith-affirming engagement.
Finally, more of Dr. ALI
Hope you recover from the cough soon Paul. Appreciate your effort to go through with this podcast despite it. May Allah reward you!
Another great lecture 👍🏼. May Allah bless both of you brothers and reward you for sharing the truth. May Allah forgive all of our sins.
@@rebasingh258Fake News
@@rebasingh258ow do you justify Church and Pope sanctioned Inquisition of Europe where genocide and ethnic cleansing of Jews and Muslims was committed by Christians?
See the difference here?
Ameen
@@rebasingh258their upbringing was secular liberal not islamic at all so that's why their action is an un-islamic
@@rebasingh258those are french citizens, educated in french schools. By the way, when would descendants of immigrants stop being considered immigrants?
We are talking about third and fourth generation immigrants here in France.
Amazing lecture! I could listen to Dr. Ataie all day every day
One of the best Biblical podcasts on TH-cam so far.
wonderful lecture . many thanks to Dr Ali Ataie and to many thanks to you Paul for such great content, May Allah bless and protect you
an absolute banger of an episode! Please do more with Dr. Ali Ataie
I always get so many knowledge just by watching one video of Dr Ataie, thanks for this Paul!
A great lecture by your esteemed and knowledgeable guest Dr Ali Ataie , Thank you so much Brother Paul for this upload & Jazakoum Allah khayran for your fantastic channel .
Long awaited lecture. I suggest tgat those who haven't listened to the part one to fo that before this or at least after.
Thank you again Dr. Ali Ataie and Paul. May Allah bless both of you.
Thank you for this Paul. Dr. Ataie is my favorite guest on you channel. Can’t wait to sit back and drink from the fire-hose of knowledge.
Alhamdulillah. Thank you for sharing this for us. Brother Paul and Dr ali. I learn so many new words today. Love it. 👍
First time coming back to TH-cam and blogging theology and already the best video ever is up
MashaAllah keep it up brother Paul ❤
Jazaakumullaahu khairan brother Paul for the wonderful discussion
Thank you Dr Ali and Blogging Theology.
Thank you Paul thank you for being so informative , May Allah grant you and your guest amongst the highest levels of Jannah
Thank you both for this great content.
Great job my teacher I wish you success.Thank so much You and your guest
Can't get enough of Dr. Ataie! :)
May Allah bless and reward brother Paul and Dr.Ali Ataie ❤
Many thanks both for this informative program.
So many things I need to do, yet I could not tear myself away from Dr. Ali Ataie's presentation. He's knowledge is so expansive and well documented I feel compelled to take notes to assist in retaining it all. As well as benefiting from it. It obliterates all doubts about the validity of the faith. Masha Allah. Thanks to Brother Paul's successful platform. Insha Allah.
Much anticipated ❤
Salam alaykoum.
What a wonderful discussion wow... Thank you so much !
May Allah guide and reward the presenter and the host. Very informative and fantastic MashaAllah
34 mins into the video and I've jotted a page long. Wow! Loads of information here. Jazakumulahu khair.
Fantastic !!! Cant wait to listen inshallah ☺️☺️👌👌
Bravo ! Je vous suis de France; j'apprends beaucoup de choses en matière de théologie et en même temps j'améliore mon anglais !
Je suis du Québec et je confirme que les ressources islamiques en anglais sont plus nombreuses et supérieures en anglais. BT est unique au monde et absolument fantastique. salam aleykoum
Mdrrr je savais pas qu'il y avait des français ici 🤣
Thanks brother paul williams and may Allah give you good health and thanks to brother ali attai for this academic presentation
Jazakallah khair uncle Paul I requested for this video if I'm not wrong not sure if you saw my request and made it anyways Allah humma bariq.
Excellent presentation by Dr. Ali Ataie. It's always a pleasure listening and learning from Dr. Ali. A ocean of knowledge. Really enjoyed this. Learned a lot and make me hungry to learn and inquire more. Thanks Sir Paul for hosting Dr. Ali. May Allah bless both of you. Can't wait to see Dr. Ali Ataie discussing many more topics.
I'm a Christian believer and I also appreciate Dr. Ali Ataie because of his scholarly views. However although I respect him, that doesn't mean I accept everything he says.
Peace of God to you....
JazakAllahu khairan Brother Paul and Dr Ali Ataie. May Allah protect you both, Ameen ya Rab.
Learning much from this thank both of you.
He is one of the few for whom I'd spend hours to listen
Nice. its Dr. Ali again🎉
It's disheartening that you don't have a million or two subscribers yet Mr Paul, your channel is marvelous
This is such a good video. I can't even. I need to watch this 45 more times. I've already watched it 4 times. Insane amount of details
9/18416a 😔yesuwerehereyestanddaybefo
Great interview.
Thank you Blogging Theology for facilitating this. And thank you Dr Ali Ataie for sharing your knowledge. May Allah reward you in this life and after life. In part 1, there was a link to the slide. Mind sharing slide for this part too?
As salaamu ‘alaykum!
Both Sheikh Hamza Yusuf Mark Hanson and Dr. Ali Ataie are the very best that the world has on these matters. Their approaches are extremely respectful; they are both deeply knowledgeable, unique and the very best I have ever heard!
Thank you, Paul, for such remarkable interviews.
God bless you!
BAFS
I am a Muslim and an Arab, but I find that Muslims have a problem in understanding the universality of Islam... when European and American Muslims change their names to Arabic names, and this is something that is neither binding nor necessary, and at the same time they preserve the Arabic word (Allah) as if God is a proper name, like Muhammad, other than It is translatable, although (Allah) is God in English, and Dieu in French, and Dio in Spanish, but the West intended to preserve the name of Allah in the Arabic pronunciation in order to say that Islam is a local Arab religion and not a global religion, and the Islamic Allah becomes like Jehovah, the God of the Jews, and this is a Western trick.
The only reason Ali Ataie is not as well known as Erhman is because Erhman has managed to write many books. In my opinion dr Ataie is far more knowledgeable though. He just needs to write some more books
MashaAllah brothers great work, may Allah Azzawajjal bless you both, ameen
Phenomenal as always, mashallah. Paul, when can we anticipate part 2?
Also, is there any update on when we can hope for Dr. Ataie's book to be released?
Salam, Brother a suggestion make sure your Ali Ataie playlist is updated with all the videos of Ali Ataie. Thank you
Liking the vocal inflection when Hajji Paul said "AsalamuAlayKUM, Sir"... Upgrade from "you're most WELCOME, Sir" 🤔
Salam Alaykum and Thank you very much for the very educational lecture.!
Its always a blessing when I see Dr Ali Ataie with a new teaching
May the almighty God bless you my brother
How do we not have an Ataie and Ehrman stream yet Paul?! Make it happen, please 🙏 bring them together
Amazing work. Keep it up. Alhamdulillah! ♥♥♥
an truly fascinating session
I so appreciate these brothers. May Allah reward them both.
The thing with the Christians always bringing up the apocryphal gospels and things outside of the Torah is that they are ironically portraying the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh&f) to be probably the most knowledgable biblical scholar of all time.
Surely this presentation was majesterial
salaam from Santa Fe, New Mexico
More of Dr. Atai please
I would love to see Ali Ataie debating Bart Ehrman on this subject.
Can he when is not an expert in Biblical or Christian history?
His sources of information are from the kind of scholars you are asking him to debate. His presentation materials are not of Muslim source.
@@Kuuzie1who is this he you're referring to? Dr Ataie or Ehrman?
@@Kuuzie1ali ataie did masters and phd in related topics. And ali also has the knowledge of islam which bart totally lacks. So ali can look at it from a perspective bart simply can't. But bart would not accept ali's perspective because of his stubborn historian principles. It would lead no where.
I suspect dr Ehrmam never agree to debate with dr. Ataie - Ehrman is an atheist and admit saying that he didn’t study the Quran. He will never agree to this for his scholarship reasons.
JazakumAllahu khayr brothers for this excellent presentation. Another important concept to point out would be the agrapha which are sayings of Jesus PBUH that are not found in the canonical gospels but are still accepted by Hellenistic Christians.
Alhamdulillah for your lecture, both of you 😊
BTW, syafakallah brother Paul..
Could we get like a PDF for this. Would be amazing!
Pretty please
One can use transcript option and copy entire transcript ( show transcript) and save into a pdf file i do
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:02 📜 Introduction to the discussion with Dr. Ali Ataie
01:22 🧐 What the Quran is doing with the Christian tradition
05:28 📖 Quranic criticism of Christian beliefs
08:03 📜 Historical context of the New Testament Canon
16:09 📚 What defines a Christian and the role of the Catholic Church
23:33 🕰️ Misconceptions about the Council of Nicaea and the Canon
23:48 📜 Origins of the New Testament Canon
26:21 🕰️ Canon Misconceptions
27:29 📖 Criteria for Canonical Books
34:10 📜 Matthew's Gospel and Pauline Christianity
43:12 📖 Attribution of Mark and Matthew
47:06 📜 Preservation of the Quran and Early Christian Canon
51:32 🕊️ Trinity and Early Christian Beliefs
56:56 📜 Quoting Apocryphal Texts and the Question of Truth
01:09:33 📜 Historical and literary analysis of biblical texts
01:13:01 📜 Janus and Jambres in early Christian writings
01:15:34 📜 Historical plausibility of stories about Jesus and Mary
01:21:21 📜 The uniqueness of John's Gospel
01:28:51 📜 Paul's references to pagan sources
01:30:56 📖 The Method of Incorporating Diverse Texts
01:32:09 📜 Plausibility of Statements Attributed to Jesus
01:33:45 📚 Authenticity of Statements About Jesus in the Quran
01:35:49 🌟 Plausibility of the Virgin Birth
01:50:04 📖 Mary's Defense and Plausible Origin of Virgin Birth Belief
01:53:09 🌟 Jesus and his birth
01:58:58 📜 Quranic view of Jesus
02:04:47 📜 Jesus' teachings in the Quran
02:07:23 📜 Old Testament Apocrypha and New Testament
02:14:52 🕍 Jesus and the Feast of Dedication
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Amazing beautiful .... great sharing 🇲🇾
If any Christian watched this it would surely be eye opening and make them realise there is absolute Truth to be found in Islam
Why when the Koran claims Allah punishes apostates with Hell. No one can force themslves to believe what they don't beleive. As such punishment for apostates is evil mad abuse of power... But Allah can't be evi and mad, right? Yep! So the Islam God is false... And that's just one proof that Islam is man made nonsense..
Some of this part lecture is definitely deserve their own shorts clips
My favorite episodes, couldnt click any faster 😁
MasyaAllah, Tabarak Allah.... this is PURE GOLD. Alhamdulillah
But not everything that glitters is "Pure Gold".
Respectfully..
I'm open minded to listen and learn from all kinds of scholars ( Muslim, Christian and atheist) but our priority should be listening to the quiet voice of God the Creator.
Peace of God to you...
@@johnbrzykcy3076 in the 1st wolrd Muslim Countries (UAE, KSA, Qatar ect). The glitters often is !!!
Let that sink in my friend.
may the peace of God be upon you too my Friend...
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can’t wait for part 2 !! i hope u guys haven’t forgotten about it 🥲 we need another banger
I appreciate the amazing load of knowledge provided by Dr.Ali Ataie, may Allah preserve him and strengthen his Faith. And I also would like to call those who for example despise Sheikh Al Islam Ibn Taymiyyah because of ignorance to investigate him a little bit for he was a masterclass at calling out different sects.
I noticed unfortunately a raise of a certain category of Muslims who spit in the face of many scholars such as Ibn Al Uthaymeen, Ibn Baz, Al Fawzan, Al Madkhali...etc while not knowing that they are as marvelous as the Doctor here or even more in term of their academical depth. With that being said I ask Allah to give us sincerity in the quest for knowledge and to give us success in the implementation of it. Assalam Alaikum.
Great as always
Gotta love it when the guest is an Iranian non Shia, orthodox traditional Sunni Muslim.
Thank you for this meaty presentation. No doubt that Dr. Ataie brings forth solid scholarship; however, what stands out for me throughout his presentations -- time and again -- is when he resorts to common sense to drive his points home, usually when he goes like this: "imagine ......" Dr. Ataie knows how to simplify his arguments, and simple is powerful, truth is meant to be simple for everyone to have a fair shot at understanding it using uncorrupted common sense.
So Powerful!!!🙏🏾
Fantastic talk.
Longing for part 3 on Jewish scripture and Dhu'l-Qarnayn!
excellent video
Dr ali is the dude!!
Fantastic!! Plus, I see Paul’s got the Hajj Flu. Allahu Yashfeehi
That was quite good actually. I enjoyed that. A couple holes in the presentation now and then that could be poked, but overall a beautiful rhetoric. Way more plausible than anything Carrier proposes.
AS-Salam 3alaykom wa RahmatuLlah wa Barakatouh, first thanks for your work brother. May Allah bless you. I have an important request...
Can you, please, do a video about historical or archeological proofs of the existence of Mecca before 8th century (or before Islam) please ? I can't find anything... And it's clearly difficult to answer my orthodox co-worker (it weakened my faith, but it's still there al Hamdoulilah).
I apologies for my bad English, I'm French and I've learned by my own !
Where in the vid does he talk about the alexandrian romance and old testament inter-linguistics? or is that going to go to part 3?
Assalamualaikum sir can you give a link for the Quran being completed many times over by 7th century manuscripts in 8:02, Jazakallah Khair
Went by so fast masha'Allah
Jazakumullah khayran