Jagex, Stop This Bot Script Before It's Too Late

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ธ.ค. 2024

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  • @SirPugger
    @SirPugger  ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Install Raid for Free ✅ IOS/ANDROID/PC: clcr.me/Jun23_SirPugger and get a special starter pack with an Epic champion ⚡ Knight Errant ⚡ Available only for new players

    • @owmeow
      @owmeow ปีที่แล้ว

      ily

    • @imdeexpert5828
      @imdeexpert5828 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I love your content Sir Pugger, keep it up!

    • @imdeexpert5828
      @imdeexpert5828 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      2:20-3:19 start and end ad

    • @Boneheaded0
      @Boneheaded0 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@imdeexpert5828 ty

    • @I_Crit_My_Pants
      @I_Crit_My_Pants ปีที่แล้ว

      Raid's shit lol

  • @TheTurtleStrong
    @TheTurtleStrong ปีที่แล้ว +817

    Imagine this what if raid sha.....-skips to past the ad- No. don't think I will.

    • @robertseptim3579
      @robertseptim3579 ปีที่แล้ว

      This man’s doing gods work and you you cant even watch an ad as a thanks? You manchildren are why OSRS is doomed

    • @Hunnag222
      @Hunnag222 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      😂 Right lol that game sucks, but can’t blame him for getting paid for it.

    • @dubgoat
      @dubgoat ปีที่แล้ว +151

      I’ve gotten two years of raid ads and never once thought abt downloading it

    • @DragonstoneWolfe
      @DragonstoneWolfe ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Literally what I did. 😂

    • @sins0P
      @sins0P ปีที่แล้ว

      Atleast we are honest lol

  • @Twitch_Fox
    @Twitch_Fox ปีที่แล้ว +168

    The fact that a bot can send so many actions in such an short span of time where its creating 7 potions, opening the bank, banking, withdrawing and closing the bank in such a short time. And then the next one where it is spamming potions so fast that it's 1 ticking and doesn't get picked up? Bruh.

    • @twistedmodding5367
      @twistedmodding5367 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      there can be 10 inputs per tick max, so its 8 actions with the bank open if I counted correctly, then 7 actions in another tick to make the potions, he could theoretically up the count to 9 potions per bank.

    • @vinnieg6161
      @vinnieg6161 ปีที่แล้ว

      Alphastar, a sc2 bot had about 20,000 actions per minute

    • @bmxscape
      @bmxscape ปีที่แล้ว +3

      why would you assume it didnt get picked up? jagex has very good bot detection, and that account was 100% banned the next morning if they continued for more than a couple hours

    • @vinnieg6161
      @vinnieg6161 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      @@bmxscape Literally every single top 100 on the high score boss kc is dominated by bots what are you talking about.
      Go stand in front of Zulrah for 10 mintues and you'll see 10 bots with over 10k zulrah kc

    • @Wh1teSomali
      @Wh1teSomali ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@bmxscape This is so far from the truth buddy

  • @iplayoldschoolrunescape
    @iplayoldschoolrunescape ปีที่แล้ว +95

    Jagex cant do anything. Theyre so behind they cant even stop the air orb bots underneath edgeville lol. Also the damage is already done beyond repair.

    • @anwarpratt246
      @anwarpratt246 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Facts 😂

    • @sir.2015
      @sir.2015 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      its so sad :( inflation gonna be as bad as in rs3

    • @brianisbmw
      @brianisbmw ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup i decided to quit a couple months ago fuck this game

    • @Champs-ek7lh
      @Champs-ek7lh ปีที่แล้ว +15

      They don’t want to do anything. Bots buy bonds. $$$

    • @JohnyPepperoni
      @JohnyPepperoni ปีที่แล้ว +10

      you have to play ironman, gold farmers and bots ruined the game for mains

  • @PhrozenFox
    @PhrozenFox ปีที่แล้ว +33

    "What happened in 1989 at a certain square"
    Got me so good

  • @Brentastrophe
    @Brentastrophe ปีที่แล้ว +179

    Please do more of the mob boss rushes and little simulation bits. Those were fantastic and fun to see 1000 lvl 3's get mowed down

  • @johnwallace6309
    @johnwallace6309 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    "I've never seen packet manipulation like this"
    The RSC party hat dupe:"hold my beer"

    • @zimbu_
      @zimbu_ ปีที่แล้ว

      How was packet manipulation used in the party hat dupe? I've always understood it worked by using AutoRune to add 0 of an item to the trade screen.

    • @dylanherron3963
      @dylanherron3963 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@zimbu_ Ah, yes, who could forget RSC dupes from the year 2000

  • @drearierwall8697
    @drearierwall8697 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    I love watching these videos with my 4 bots on my second monitor

    • @marcussmiler3500
      @marcussmiler3500 ปีที่แล้ว

      how many of your accounts got banned up to this point?

    • @drearierwall8697
      @drearierwall8697 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@marcussmiler3500 none since I started using the custom runelite plugins. Osbot, dreambot, shit like that gets you banned quickly, but the runelite plugins are ridiculous. 4700 zulrah KC on my main in a couple months, botted most of the skills up for 2 years. It's ridiculous

  • @DominicGreene72
    @DominicGreene72 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Man, ignorance really is bliss. I hate to say it, but knowing stuff like this is going on is what keeps me from enjoying, and therefore playing, this game

    • @dzangdzang714
      @dzangdzang714 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You do that bud. While the rest of us keep playing and having fun.

    • @testchannelnamechange
      @testchannelnamechange ปีที่แล้ว +9

      botting doesn't affect ironman gameplay

    • @OmegaLiar
      @OmegaLiar ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You will never ever enjoy life from that disposition.
      The botter vs jagex war is one of the most entertaining in the world.

    • @TheMegatuz
      @TheMegatuz ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Try Ironman mode.

    • @scott4207
      @scott4207 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@testchannelnamechange technically it can if they are cutting down your trees or mining your iron spots etc…

  • @AnecdoteOSRS
    @AnecdoteOSRS ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The unban "exploit", by the way: If IP or geographical info can be included with the hacked account (for most batches it can be) then you can use a geolocal zombie/residential proxy service/rolling 4G modem to submit the appeal from the same proximity a non-suspicious amount of time after the account is banned for botting. It was well known that sometimes you can get accounts unbanned because saying you were the owner and it got hacked, because there's plausible deniability there, and previous passwords, IP info etc. are many times available by pivoting from corollary IP's or other types of aggregated info, but it was only recently that people started publicly putting 2 and 2 together and using the full stack of the exploit.
    Super old trick but it gets rediscovered microniche by microniche, was doing this shit with hotmail emails 10+ years ago.

    • @Mortal209
      @Mortal209 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Man, meanwhile my original main gets banned for botting when I wasn't even playing the game and my appeal gets denied. No proof on their end just "Read the rules" which is pathetic because they have an evidence thing for a reason but they never use it. I appealed and was denied even though my account was very likely hacked, not to mention I didn't have members on the account for nearly a year before it got banned because I quit playing the game. The only times I was ever online on my osrs main were when I got bored and decided to mess around with folks I know by shooting the shit in a fc for rs3 while standing at the ge doing nothing.

    • @alxy9177
      @alxy9177 ปีที่แล้ว

      The support is always like 95% sure that they're unbanning someone who's botting and doing this trick too, but its better to unban 1k bots and 10 real users who got hacked than have those 10 users that actually got hacked to never be unbanned imo.

  • @benjiboy1337
    @benjiboy1337 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Would honestly be really fun to see the boss simulations on more bosses

  • @JavierPwns
    @JavierPwns ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Jagex is too busy banning people over not liking the pride events to deal with any bugs or bots

    • @amazingkool
      @amazingkool ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, I think banning the trash is a very good use of time. Unmoderated that event 100% would have become a cesspool of slurs and we all know it.

    • @Kala_RS
      @Kala_RS ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@amazingkool ok but you wouldnt have had to read them just like we didnt have to attend the event

    • @thefatpakyak2826
      @thefatpakyak2826 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@amazingkool RuneScape itself is a cesspool of slurs whatchu mean 😂

    • @oveliaeinsberg9838
      @oveliaeinsberg9838 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@amazingkool If anything they need to moderate it even more because it's getting out of hand, there's people creating 50 bots to spew anti-pride in the bar and at GE. It's a gooood thing they are banning anti-pride hate speech.

  • @Yamjam-l7t
    @Yamjam-l7t ปีที่แล้ว +2

    8:20
    "What happened in 1989 at a certain square?"
    LMFAOOOOOOO

  • @not_co_co
    @not_co_co ปีที่แล้ว +69

    Okay can we atleast applaud the maker of this script for his brilliant coding this would be a monstrous project to do. One of the rare cases where I have some empathy for the scripter

    • @mydogatethebones
      @mydogatethebones ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol it didn't even work on release. people are still struggling to complete it. Let's not applaud the scammer attempting a quick money grab.

    • @n3hp5
      @n3hp5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@mydogatethebones It definitely did because I used it myself LMAO.

    • @Schmuck
      @Schmuck ปีที่แล้ว

      @@n3hp5 did u have discord? can u tell me where u got it

    • @CertifiedJew
      @CertifiedJew ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@GameSlave125 zero impact. We already buying capes from vennies.

    • @moses3906
      @moses3906 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Schmuckyou got it?

  • @firestorm587
    @firestorm587 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a problem, I fell for a scam some months ago and I log in through steam, but nearly everyday I need to recover my account. It is a RS3 account, but I was wondering if you could tell me how do you contact jagex and get a respond ? Because I tried contacting them, but didn't get a respond...

  • @Mutepoet379
    @Mutepoet379 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    At this point I just assume every inferno cape I see has been bought. When I eventually get my own it’ll definitely be a “just for me” achievement

    • @robert9595
      @robert9595 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      And someone will probably accuse you of buying it....may get false banned because ur not a streamer who brings players.

    • @RSmake
      @RSmake ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Its not that hard to do it urself tho

    • @Joedirt32
      @Joedirt32 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@RSmake yes it is.. hence why people have to buy them and 95% of the player base can't do it.

    • @hazard9482
      @hazard9482 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly, you do get accused of buying one at 1kc. I do know a few who have bought one.
      You get a great sense of accomplishment from getting it yourself though.

    • @Juniperjungby
      @Juniperjungby ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's why I'm streaming my attempts lol

  • @sirkarolius7038
    @sirkarolius7038 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Are you gonna check up on the Vorkath bots? 23k kills and there are loads of them! Void gear and uses lunar bank everytime

  • @Az__T
    @Az__T ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Not sure why it's a surprise regarding the infernal capes. The amount of players I've seen in the past 3-4 months I've seen with infernal capes but have literally no other kc in any other bosses in game is unreal.

    • @blake9164
      @blake9164 ปีที่แล้ว

      Some people just go for BIS cape and stick to PVP. Having KC in other bosses isn't a pre req to complete infernal. However, yes, there are a shit ton of bought capes.

  • @SportSync_official
    @SportSync_official ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I can confirm that it is possible to close/open the bank while doing another action, this counts for almost everything, the reason why the potion makes wasn't doing more actions per tick is that it's limited to 10 actions per tick

  • @BanjoGate
    @BanjoGate ปีที่แล้ว +30

    OK - Imagine this. It's 2023 and Sir Pugger uploads a PKing video like it is the year 201x

    • @viltautasYT
      @viltautasYT ปีที่แล้ว

      full support

    • @ssjbardock79
      @ssjbardock79 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Careful, he might make decent content again.

  • @HTM_uploads
    @HTM_uploads ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The mouse not being rendered on screen is no big deal. They just disabled it on start. The one you see later on in the center is the non client controlled mouse. Smart so no one can see the in game inputs and mimic the script.

  • @jscottsimms9
    @jscottsimms9 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Been watching for a while, I'm 100% confident, jagex will never get a handle on bots or people who buy/sell GP. It's a lost cause in my opinion

    • @Sponkelbop
      @Sponkelbop ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It's a war on drugs type of scenario =/

    • @Tagerrun
      @Tagerrun ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed lost cause because they have no incentive to fix it none of these addicts are quitting RuneScape anytime soon they won’t lose the thousands of hours they invested into 1’s and 0’s on a computer screen.

    • @thefatpakyak2826
      @thefatpakyak2826 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Sponkelbop only reason that’s still an issue is because the govt makes good money off it so they have no real incentive to stopping it 😊

    • @Will-ki7us
      @Will-ki7us ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s been 20 years and they haven’t. Why are you just now figuring this out?

    • @babyfood9537
      @babyfood9537 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@thefatpakyak2826 which makes you think that Jagex are making money from black market gp sales. they probably own some of those sites

  • @roemer024
    @roemer024 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the chatgpt bot was hands down a troll getting his 15 seconds of fame lmaooo

  • @viltautasYT
    @viltautasYT ปีที่แล้ว +3

    boosting bh: completly unaacceptabke
    boosting soul wars: so what if the top 100 highscores are mostly bots, its just a game

  • @salt-emoji
    @salt-emoji ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn bro the 3d printer minimg bot got out. I used mine on a burner phone, i programmed mine to mine for a variable run that would go for 50min-80min then log out, a cooldown cycle and then log back in and repeat, did it while at work, hit 99 in like a month?

  • @Bob-bw5zx
    @Bob-bw5zx ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Jagex REALLY needs to step their account security game up. They have their hands full of unban requests due to bad account security. Not being able to use uppercase letters in a password is just a tiny example. If less people get hacked, they can to spend less time going through the massive unban requests, or spend the same amount of time for fewer accounts, which results in better reviews of the ban (appeal)/infraction. I don't know why they're still sleeping on this.

    • @w83official
      @w83official ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Jagex accounts have had their security system revamped. this includes passwords which accept uppercase letters as well as symbols.

    • @DeltaInsanity
      @DeltaInsanity ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@w83officialdo you need to have changed your password since the "revamp" happened? Because for me, I can enter my password all lowercased and it still works, even though I created my password with capitals.

    • @Tyler1Clips
      @Tyler1Clips ปีที่แล้ว +2

      unban requests are automated - nobody manually reviews them.

    • @monkofgunk5570
      @monkofgunk5570 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DeltaInsanityyou have to compromise your account by having it linked with a jagex account

    • @nojusskrebutenas850
      @nojusskrebutenas850 ปีที่แล้ว

      its jagex, they dont give a fuck, all they care about is money

  • @treasuretrails
    @treasuretrails ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I quit the game out of rage of not being able to get an infernal cape, this might actually be worth the risk if I get banned who cares I don't wanna play without the cape anyways.

    • @voltagezap
      @voltagezap ปีที่แล้ว

      you don't need it only gives one max hit over fire cape

    • @hipjoeroflmto4764
      @hipjoeroflmto4764 ปีที่แล้ว

      You don't need it, it's just ones and zeros

  • @Aldehydi
    @Aldehydi ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That private server thing with lvl 3 accounts would be very interesting if you could make different bosses fight each other. Which bosses can KQ defeat? Can Nex be beaten by the other teamed up GWD bosses? How many Moles does it take to kill Corp? Would be very cool

    • @wysy2283
      @wysy2283 ปีที่แล้ว

      Damn this is very good idea!

    • @Kindreddit
      @Kindreddit ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m sure it could be coded but very hard to do so without it being spaghetti

    • @Thomas____kkkk
      @Thomas____kkkk ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Kindreddit but dont we love spaghetti noodles

  • @wassahap
    @wassahap ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Its called a bot not a script. Old terms. It also uses direct input. Thats why you dont see mouse movements.

    • @whillieinthemist947
      @whillieinthemist947 ปีที่แล้ว

      Script is the set of actions a bot client follows. Most bot clients have a range of different scripts they accept that are generally exclusive to one bot client.

    • @wassahap
      @wassahap ปีที่แล้ว

      @@whillieinthemist947 ask ANY bot client admin why they don't call them scripts anymore.

    • @whillieinthemist947
      @whillieinthemist947 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wassahap or you could just explain it...

  • @Eleskola
    @Eleskola ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Jagex is more interrested in dealing false bans for legit players than striking bot farms.

  • @supergobblin1
    @supergobblin1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    8:19 "what happened in 1989 at a certain square?" lmfaooo

  • @sporadicdev
    @sporadicdev ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Yup this confirms jagex ignoring bots on purpose

  • @Ructions
    @Ructions ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3:19 Ad skip

  • @stebeats3230
    @stebeats3230 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    definitely wanna see more lvl 3 army content , so recourcefull takes the imagination to a next level

  • @gamewithadam7235
    @gamewithadam7235 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So that's why barbarian fishing people were debating whether they prefer having foreskins or not. I always wondered how bored people had to be to get to that level of conversation.

  • @MtnDewVoltage456
    @MtnDewVoltage456 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I know it pays good but I'm getting tired of hearing raid shadow legends ads

    • @blakep100
      @blakep100 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Raid has been a disease for like 5 years now it feels.

    • @francescam4056
      @francescam4056 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Takes you like 2 seconds to fast forward.

    • @jaggerjackize
      @jaggerjackize ปีที่แล้ว

      So you can't skip past sponsors?😂

    • @brandonmunsen6035
      @brandonmunsen6035 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tap the right side of the video to skip ahead and skip the ad

    • @omgfackdehell
      @omgfackdehell ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@blakep100 disease? It's a huge opportunity for content creators. All we have to do is tap the screen 7 times..

  • @OversizedPringleToe
    @OversizedPringleToe ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think I’ve seen the ChatGPT bot before.

  • @BalerionRS
    @BalerionRS ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I'd be curious to see an episode that breaks down the overall RS economy. I have a suspicion that Jagex has not 100% been honest about their bot-busting approach with the player base. It is very possible that the amount of botting in this game is required to support the normal player base's use of consumables. There are some instances where bots force an in-flow of rare gear (which is why Jagex has had to implement various gold sink mechanics to fight price de-flation), but I wonder if the flip is true for consumable items. Would sharks / logs / potions / runes cost several multiples more than they do today if the bots were all nuked simultaneously? Would a player base even survive if consumable prices increased 3-5x? Not at all defending mass bot farms, just an interesting thought exercise.

    • @PvMhijden
      @PvMhijden ปีที่แล้ว +1

      sounds like a flippingoldschool X Sir puggers collab

    • @BalerionRS
      @BalerionRS ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lilguthix7784 That's not how it works. Everything is a function of supply and demand. The truth of the matter is over time items will continue to come into the game and be (Generally) devalued. Think of it this way... if there were 100 players in total, once 100 twisted bows or masori sets entered the game there would (in theory) no longer be a demand for those items and prices would naturally begin to fall.
      That's not quite the same for consumable supplies, and BiS gear is always priced on a supply / demand curve based mostly on the item's overall utility, NOT the amount of supplies it requires to farm. The average expert TOA run requires like 4 restores and 2-3 brews. A price fluctuation in brews will not cause a shift in TOA loot prices or overall profitability.
      Does it mean bosses that drop primarily consumable supplies (Vork, Zulrah, etc.) might become more profitable? Maybe. I'm more curious to see if the VOLUME of supply removed from the bots can even remotely be offset by only normal players. My bet is on "no"

    • @cameronbreeze4029
      @cameronbreeze4029 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If they did that then farming those things would become more profitable and more people would do it, imo it would just make a more diverse economy where not every crafting recipe that gives skill xp makes a loss.

    • @DarkDyllon
      @DarkDyllon ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cameronbreeze4029 that's not how an economy works.
      it's supply vs demand.
      for example if an average player takes 10 sharks into combat and you multiply this by 1000, then you need 10k sharks, imagine sharks aren't on a drop table and need to be farmed from actually fishing, either minnows or actual shark fishing.
      so each trip takes around 1 minute (an what if) that means that if 1000 players would do this every minute, that'll be 600k sharks consumed AN HOUR, you think legit players would even make close to that amount of sharks in 1 hour time? eventually the supply chain will dry up, once that happens and sharks become more of a commodity, that'll mean that instead of paying 1k GP per shark, you'll pay 5k GP per shark, that means people will find alternative methods of food, but then the same will happen for that food and the cycle continues.
      sure it'll become more profitable early on, but many won't even bother with it anymore, that's why they generally just inflate drop tables with alchables.
      but let's put it into perspective, the botters were basically adding so much supply that the demand was met at all times and a giant sur plus, once that supply dwindles down without the botters, the demand can't be met anymore, which means the price of said item goes up, people still earn the same amount of GP/H through bossing/raids.
      sure you can go "but people will make up the difference!" will they? as taken with our example, if a bot farm can perfectly get these supplies and go over the actual demand required, how can humans meet this demand?
      according to the wiki, through minnows you can expect 325 sharks an hour if you don't mess up, to make the demand for sharks in our example, which is overkill, but it's not entire false concidering there can be 10k bots easily on 1 specific thing.
      but 600k sharks divided by 325 sharks an hour = atleast 1847 active players doing minnows perfectly to make that bare minimum supply, which isn't impossible, but are you sure that it's feasible? there are a lot more supplies that'll suffer, coal, gold, mithril, any type of logs, karambwans, a good portion of the "active player count" is botters, which keep the game playable for the normal folk, wether or not you like that fact, botters are a neccesary evil to meet demand vs supply chains.
      imagine if for example coal becomes inaccessable unless YOU go get it yourself like an ironman, howmany people would go out and go to MLM and get coal, or go mine coal yourself, or boss to get the coal, many would either just quit the game, or not do it at all, which means they won't meet certain skill requirements, which means they'll quit the game regardless.
      you need to increase the actual player count by a lot in order to match atleast 1 botter, a bot doesn't need a break, humans do, a bot plays perfectly, a human literally can't.

    • @cameronbreeze4029
      @cameronbreeze4029 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DarkDyllon
      I don't think many people are eating 10 sharks a minute lol. But my whole point is that if sharks become more expensive some % of the people doing other activities (combat included) will switch to doing more fishing due to the increased profits, that or people will switch to a cheaper food source.

  • @joshtharp5503
    @joshtharp5503 ปีที่แล้ว

    They updated bh before you were even able to upload. They are dropping crates with supplies in them now?

  • @tylerweatherbee9180
    @tylerweatherbee9180 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Jagex has incentive to not ban bots. They pay memberships. If they let them bot long enough to make a little cash before banning its incentive to keep making more accounts and buying more membership.

    • @dziewiatkom
      @dziewiatkom ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What about buying bonds with ingame currency? Wouldn't it be better for a botter to just buy loads of bonds instead?

    • @tylerweatherbee9180
      @tylerweatherbee9180 ปีที่แล้ว

      @dziewiatkom bonds are still purchased with real money. The botter might not directly buy membership, but they are indirectly if they buy a bond. It's no different then asking a friend to buy you membership for a month and you'll just send them 5m in game.

    • @anthonylombardo1261
      @anthonylombardo1261 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@tylerweatherbee9180 you can just grind a shit ton of igc, in game currency, gold, and buy a bond wtf are you saying? In what world would a conversation go “hey buddy, can you buy a bond for my account? It’s cool I’ll send you the cost for a bond with in game money, like 7-8m gold but can you just give me your card info or just log into my account and buy a bond please?”
      That’s so pointless, bonds can be purchased with in game money, so lifetime membership can be held for forever once initially obtained with gold in game. I don’t understand your point.
      Bots ruin the economy, jagex doesn’t really care if the economy is bad because it ultimately is not in a “its god awful super fucked up” state, it’s just bad, and bad for new f2p players in particular. Therefore, there’s more reason to cave and buy a membership, that’s jagex’s goal I believe.

    • @tylerweatherbee9180
      @tylerweatherbee9180 ปีที่แล้ว

      @anthonylombardo1261 you missed my point entirely, which is okay it might have been poorly explained. There are probably tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of bots with membership. Regardless of how the membership was obtained, that is millions of dollars in jagex pocket each year. Jagex has no incentive to permenatly introduce a true anti cheat team or get rid of bots entirely because of the revenue they produce each year. If you think eliminating botting completely would entice enough new memberships to replace that revenue for jagex, you're wrong. Jagex will manage bots to keep the player base happy enough that the player base feels like jagex listens when they talk. Sir, puggers videos are a prime example he exposes huge bot farms, but let's be real. Jagex already knows about them, but let's them bot just enough to make their bot farm profitable enough to continue making and buying memberships once they're banned. They'll essentially let a bot be profitable before banning, so the better has incentive to make another account and buy another membership. It's all a business they don't care about anything except bottom dollar.
      If you think im wrong, go download a free bot and run it 24/7. You'll be banned almost instantly. Now, do the same thing with a membership account. Your bot will last long enough to make a profit.

  • @CorralejoFue
    @CorralejoFue ปีที่แล้ว

    Bots being unbanned yet my main was banned because it got hacked and turned into an auto typer thing and my appeal was denied

  • @llVIU
    @llVIU ปีที่แล้ว +3

    5:30 these "what if" scenarios are pretty fun but i was always curious about bosses fighting each other or being able to control a boss like jad and going around falador killing guards or whatever.

    • @SlurmDude
      @SlurmDude ปีที่แล้ว

      "How bad would the giant mole rampaging falador ACTUALLY be?" type videos would be fun. Maybe some ground rules: Non named npcs respawn infinitely. Named NPCs dont respond. "hero" type named npcs respawn based on their achievements, the more legendary the hero, the more they respawn. Could the NPC's of fally actually stop the giant mole?

    • @AngusBeef0
      @AngusBeef0 ปีที่แล้ว

      How many cities could each type of dragon decimate before being slain?

  • @CanadaBeef
    @CanadaBeef ปีที่แล้ว

    Hahaha "What happened in 1989 in a certain square" - some guy asking the Chat GPT bot.

  • @enneric3843
    @enneric3843 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    this just prove that the anti-cheating team does nothing against bot, mod trident only worry is to please that alien looking stella woman

    • @hipjoeroflmto4764
      @hipjoeroflmto4764 ปีที่แล้ว

      They have an anti-cheating team? When did this happen?

  • @authoritariangentleman7570
    @authoritariangentleman7570 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wait until the AI can just play the game and you find out your best RS friend was an AI the whole time

  • @SirPembertonS.Crevalius
    @SirPembertonS.Crevalius ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The inferno is meant to be OSRS's hardest PvM challenge in the game. Botting/scripting it is just sad honestly, there's no accomplishment in it and you put your account at risk, like... just why?

    • @GreenThehide
      @GreenThehide ปีที่แล้ว +3

      90% of people wont say no to free money, blame humanity.
      And also blame jagex for not making a good anticheat, oh oopsies ! they can't because they are also making money out of it.
      Conclusion Jagex is not different from those botters, that's the sad reality, and that's why i stopped playing once i realized it longtime ago.

    • @DerekRoddy8
      @DerekRoddy8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It’s true. My hypothesis is recognising that Vanilla RuneScape was about minimalistic clicking and short-term goal setting. With gaming communities going further into the higher-end content pool and developers combating drought in gameplay many of the average folk cannot keep up. As a result a larger reliance has been placed on people such as “scripters” to help alleviate the bridge that is continuing to wider the gap of the casual and hardcore fan. For the casual fan to not miss out they then buy scripts to level the field. Essentially it’s like black market pay to win. I think it’s just as much as a developer issue as it is a scripting issue

    • @bonusmeme4691
      @bonusmeme4691 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@GreenThehide For your information you don't get money from the inferno, just a cape

    • @Joedirt32
      @Joedirt32 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@bonusmeme4691 believe he is talking about people selling internal capes for real money or in-game gp.

    • @bonusmeme4691
      @bonusmeme4691 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Joedirt32 The original comment was about cheating to get the cape, not about selling it

  • @carlosbarbieri9118
    @carlosbarbieri9118 ปีที่แล้ว

    so a cape that cant be traded is somehow affecting the way you play the game???

  • @raulkalev1122
    @raulkalev1122 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Seems like we’ve been hearing this “we are aware and working on the bot problem” for years now and still nothing has been done. Seems like Jagex has the most incompetent anti cheat team in the industry

    • @crimsoneros933
      @crimsoneros933 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or let's them lol

    • @PerfectAttention
      @PerfectAttention ปีที่แล้ว

      as long as you can just spam create new accounts it will never be fixed

    • @Alg0rM0rtis
      @Alg0rM0rtis ปีที่แล้ว

      For some time I think it's actually something they don't put a lot of effort as they would lose probably 20% of the player base

  • @deathstrike369
    @deathstrike369 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    God you brought back some old memories. Back in the days rs forums were we had all the communities. There was one for making up stories. One of those stories was about a high level player picking on low levels in the wildy, when he angered enough of them an army attacked him. Zeros everywhere but he would still be hit by ones enough. Eventually he was killed by an army of level 3s.

  • @bugfriendz
    @bugfriendz ปีที่แล้ว

    i would actually love a privatized offline client myself, does the author have a first step into reverse engineering they could share?

  • @johnbartz1907
    @johnbartz1907 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Lolol saw this in discord yesterday, it's $300... A DAY i don't think many people will be buying it.

    • @SirPugger
      @SirPugger  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow hadn't heard that, that's insane

    • @johnbartz1907
      @johnbartz1907 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SirPugger yeah I'll happily stick to paying 200m per cape.

    • @AnecdoteOSRS
      @AnecdoteOSRS ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SirPugger Why has an inferno bot been so hard up until now? Is it because of the way that, if you don't path correctly very quickly, you can get hit by multiple combat styles in the same tick?
      We've seen packet manip and ppl perfect-flicking graardor, are there just too many qualitative decisions to make at once in the inferno for less advanced bots to be useable?
      For instance, triple jads and the zuk fight seem like super simple things to script compared to the earlier waves.

    • @AlbinoRuntz
      @AlbinoRuntz ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@johnbartz1907where can I buy an inferno cape for 200m?

    • @johnbartz1907
      @johnbartz1907 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AlbinoRuntz internet.

  • @izaaksweeny5728
    @izaaksweeny5728 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I actually had an account that was stolen and it got banned for botting. Jagex did not give it back.

  • @EI-CHAPPO
    @EI-CHAPPO ปีที่แล้ว +5

    biggest rat to ever exist in osrs.

  • @jackbannerman2880
    @jackbannerman2880 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I may have found a bot farm on world 531, suspicious amount of no strength on runelite lookup players running past black salamander location. Please investigate if you can

  • @SpedeFace
    @SpedeFace ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is exactly why the game has lost all of it's fun. Jagex just keeps coming with more and more time consuming and intense focus content, while bots farm those effortlessly. There's no reason to do anything, because it's not worth the time. There are still bots around with tons of boss/raids kc, which means if jagex doesn't care enough, why should I? Seasonal content is the only thing I tune in for nowadays.

  • @a.w.848
    @a.w.848 ปีที่แล้ว

    My account got hacked and they botted, got banned and unbanned 2 days later. I can't appeal anything now since they got banned for rwt 2 weeks later. RIP 13 years.

  • @imdeexpert5828
    @imdeexpert5828 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    2:20-3:19 start and end ad

  • @jevonmaddox1615
    @jevonmaddox1615 ปีที่แล้ว

    I dig the mob boss rushes. What if the opposite of 1000s level 3s hit up the Corporal beast???

  • @Celibrimbor
    @Celibrimbor ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So jagex made a easily boostable bh (again), and banning people for using the poor system that jagex made to their advantage. Good job jagex

  • @polishspy3088
    @polishspy3088 ปีที่แล้ว

    8:20 "What happened in 1989 in a certain square" I cant lol

  • @CommandoMaster
    @CommandoMaster ปีที่แล้ว +3

    OSRS is just turning into a bot game. Soon, there will no real players left on it.

    • @Kala_RS
      @Kala_RS ปีที่แล้ว

      already been like that, majority already is

    • @hackypeaheadful
      @hackypeaheadful ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Kala_RS i dont think its majoirty. its actually 2:1 real players to bots. When the game updates, only 60% of the players log right back in. Because the rest have to update their bots.

  • @Zombiessssss
    @Zombiessssss ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ‘Can’t imagine doing it on 1000 accounts let alone 100’
    Who gonna tell him

  • @tams79jt
    @tams79jt ปีที่แล้ว +3

    lmao do you even read your emails? iv sent you updates on the bot farm in the blastfurnace area kinda weird you didnt even look into it

    • @LucasRogers92
      @LucasRogers92 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂😂

    • @donnyjones
      @donnyjones ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah i noticed all the bots in the area
      especially on blastfurnace worlds

    • @tams79jt
      @tams79jt ปีที่แล้ว

      @@donnyjones lolol no there are bots hopping from world to world buying ore from orban, one bot dropped 8k ironore

    • @tams79jt
      @tams79jt ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@donnyjones a few days before emailing sirpugger there was 20 something million iron ore sold, 12m mithril ore sold, like idk what to say if that isnt bot worthy to you then let the mining skill and blast furnace collapse

    • @tams79jt
      @tams79jt ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i guess it isnt much but moving 3b+ in just two ores should be enough to get this guys attention

  • @NintendoHistorians
    @NintendoHistorians ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bounty hunter boosting service was probably the most fun I had in decades on this game I made money / the person also made money and the buyers of tier 10s got what they wanted.
    Everyone was winning and their was no gp generated, the fact they banned it only shows how out of touch the dev team is considering of all the actual bots bringing in gp into the game.

  • @jacobp6571
    @jacobp6571 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    the level 3 versus bosses are like the old minecraft videos of mobs from other mods fighting, would be rad to see more of them

  • @LoremasterYnTaris
    @LoremasterYnTaris ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That flirty bot is insane.. Definitely one of those rare bots I can actually get behind.

  • @MissGloriosa
    @MissGloriosa ปีที่แล้ว +10

    SirPugger saves the day again with another excellent video. My week is made.

  • @Lashb1ade
    @Lashb1ade ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Corporeal Beast has a rapid HP regen buff when there are more than (7?) accounts in the room at once. A 15 minute fight against 1000 accounts is to the boss' advantage.

  • @110jmartin011
    @110jmartin011 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love how botters have stopped trying to emulate human play because that is what jagex is looking for, and has instead starting doing things that humans could never do and thus the likely hood of their being an active detective system for it... basically zelch... frekn genious.

  • @alexlopez5800
    @alexlopez5800 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Or ban all bots? I don't understand why they don't just permanently ban bots... Again or trace ip address from bots to ban ?

    • @animefan7424
      @animefan7424 ปีที่แล้ว

      You know you can change your ip right

    • @alexlopez5800
      @alexlopez5800 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@animefan7424 Location

  • @rngtank
    @rngtank ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Ty for sharing, already done this on 29 accounts and counting :))

  • @francisbalfour1243
    @francisbalfour1243 ปีที่แล้ว

    My mate that has a bot acc got perm banned, somehow he was still able to appeal it and his appeal msg was "fuck you i will never stop botting" and it gpt unbanned lmao

  • @TheKamar2
    @TheKamar2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    They dont care, pride event is more important

  • @bingoex7893
    @bingoex7893 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would say it is a much bigger problem that jagex decline appeals when appealed for botting when not using any bots. Happened to me and seen more people having same problem! No way to appeal it again when declined, such a bad system

  • @ryanw217
    @ryanw217 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Hey everyone, I just wanted to share my thoughts on the Inferno Bot in RuneScape, and I have to say, it's an absolute game-changer when it comes to obtaining the prestigious Infernal Cape. Here's why I think it's a fantastic idea:
    Accessibility for All Players: The Inferno minigame is notoriously challenging and requires exceptional skill and dedication to complete. However, not all players have the time or ability to invest in mastering the complex mechanics. With the Inferno Bot, even players who struggle with the minigame can have a chance to obtain the Infernal Cape and enjoy its benefits. It levels the playing field and allows more players to experience the content that was previously out of their reach.
    Time Efficiency: Completing the Inferno minigame manually can be an extremely time-consuming process. It often takes countless attempts and numerous hours of gameplay to succeed. The Inferno Bot provides a way to bypass the frustration and repetition by automating the process. This allows players to save time and focus on other aspects of the game or real-life commitments while still achieving their goal of obtaining the Infernal Cape.
    Economic Balance: The Infernal Cape is a highly sought-after item in RuneScape, often commanding a high price on the Grand Exchange. By introducing the Inferno Bot, the supply of Infernal Capes would increase, bringing down the prices and making it more affordable for players who previously couldn't afford one. This helps to maintain a healthier economic balance within the game and ensures that the cape is more accessible to a wider range of players.
    Reduced Frustration: Let's face it, the Inferno minigame can be incredibly frustrating. Countless failed attempts and the fear of losing valuable items can take a toll on players' enjoyment. The Inferno Bot eliminates the stress and anxiety associated with the minigame, allowing players to relax and focus on other enjoyable aspects of the game. It offers a way to experience the rewards and benefits of the Infernal Cape without the emotional toll of repeated failures.
    Player Retention: RuneScape is a vast game with a diverse player base. However, some players may become discouraged or lose interest due to the immense difficulty of certain challenges. By introducing the Inferno Bot, more players would be able to achieve their goals and experience the satisfaction of obtaining the Infernal Cape. This, in turn, would lead to increased player retention as more individuals stay engaged with the game, creating a healthier and more vibrant community.
    In conclusion, the Inferno Bot is a game-changer when it comes to obtaining the Infernal Cape in RuneScape. It makes the cape more accessible to players who struggle with the minigame, saves time, balances the game's economy, reduces frustration, and promotes player retention. It's a fantastic addition that opens up new possibilities for players and ensures that everyone has a chance to experience the rewards and benefits of the Infernal Cape. chatgpt btw

    • @ez9565
      @ez9565 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dam I was just about to tel you to get good :/

    • @janitorizamped
      @janitorizamped ปีที่แล้ว

      Get good

    • @transcendedanal7307
      @transcendedanal7307 ปีที่แล้ว

      And I spinbot in CSGO because I deserve global just as much as anyone else

    • @fernando30xxx
      @fernando30xxx ปีที่แล้ว

      Man You are absolutely a redditor or a bot, there is no way u are real

  • @Dudewatsup
    @Dudewatsup ปีที่แล้ว

    man that really sucks that botters will claim their bots were hacked and they get unbaned. im a legit player and i got hacked and false banned for botting, and jagex denied my appeal

  • @stevepaul-sjw
    @stevepaul-sjw ปีที่แล้ว +1

    inferno script been around since about 6-8 months after zuk launched, homie kept it on the low to do cape services. someone else finally put time in to make one public

  • @VallianceRS
    @VallianceRS ปีที่แล้ว +1

    they're adding EP to BH. Its gonna get bot farmed. Your profit/hr shows how it WAS with just the tradeable shop stuff. Now you can generate EP and generate GP per kill, which means bot farms will be manipulating that 1000%.

    • @VallianceRS
      @VallianceRS ปีที่แล้ว

      also that inferno script is the most nothing footage ever. lots of very basic and almost pointless information displays (the tiles during triples? lol). And the mouse hovering on screen proves nothing.. they could record a recording without mouse, and then record them looking at that recording with their mouse on screen.
      Need less of these no proof bot scripts. its just clickbait nonsense.

    • @janitorizamped
      @janitorizamped ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@VallianceRSlmao? Wtf?

  • @nickydanger9
    @nickydanger9 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do i get into botting? I would never do anything on my main but it would be fun to make a throw away for botting.

  • @olicool11
    @olicool11 ปีที่แล้ว

    The bots getting unbanned is actively annoying for me. My HCIM got false banned and jagex refused my appeal, yet actual OBVIOUS bots get unbanned 5 times?...

  • @alexengl9356
    @alexengl9356 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, no idea where else to ask this but is gp swapping from rs3 to osrs illegal?

  • @zimbu_
    @zimbu_ ปีที่แล้ว

    Someone worked hard on that Inferno bot. I wonder if they have an offline version that allows going to any wave immediately or if they just added a wave or two at a time and had the bot do the entire thing up until whatever wave was being tested every time.

  • @jorinator123
    @jorinator123 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is it just me or is the audio slowed down in this video? Watching it on 1.5x sounds more natural than on 1x

  • @YummyPie532
    @YummyPie532 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't think it will be public anytime soon because people make money off it and why would they let others benefit from that as well?

  • @Equitine
    @Equitine ปีที่แล้ว

    4:26 anyone else see the naked bot thing and trigger a memory of pre EOC when clans or you would get invite while GE standing for a scheduled naked rush on mobs/players? Man those were chaotic.

  • @kelpsie
    @kelpsie ปีที่แล้ว

    You use the phrase "let alone" completely backwards. It's supposed to be "can't do , let alone

  • @mafia7378
    @mafia7378 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I dont understand why people take the easy way out, i personally will sweat and go through every level and at the end i have earned it its an achievement, then ill be like a bot because ill know the fight well and it will be a piece of cake, but for now ima wipe and wipe until i get it.

    • @vladimirmishkov9555
      @vladimirmishkov9555 ปีที่แล้ว

      they just want to get inferno cape on a pure and sell it to people that are interested. Or they just get the cape for someone. It's all about the money my man, some people cba grinding and prefer to work for 8 hours to get an account that takes 100's of hours to make

    • @ilkthps
      @ilkthps ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@vladimirmishkov9555 excuses for being bad at game from 2007

    • @vladimirmishkov9555
      @vladimirmishkov9555 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ilkthps Im not making excuses mate, I don't even do it myself. I am just giving a hard fact, which is: there is a huge RWT market for OSRS. I do not support it, but it's reality.

    • @Josh-sm6td
      @Josh-sm6td ปีที่แล้ว

      ⁠@@vladimirmishkov9555a lot of the discords ban you from using it for farming or acc selling. Believe it or not, the people that sell this stuff have strict beliefs that its for personal gain, not for services/acc selling. You get banned pretty freaking quick from everyone in that community. Ive seen that its 200 usd for 6 hours for that inferno thing, pretty sure you can get capes for about 30usd now, botting it is actually more expensive if that price is true 😳

  • @jankmcdank3611
    @jankmcdank3611 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wonder if it's possible to create Bot Botting reports to try and bot report players not on a bots schedule.

  • @chessmagician2024
    @chessmagician2024 ปีที่แล้ว

    does jagex use any sort of xp per hour counter to determine cheating? I mean for that serum 207 example, I think the fastest humanly possible herb xp an hour is closer to like 900k. couldn't they just add 30% to that number and then auto ban anyone doing more than that? and if a new legitimate method is discovered, they could unban them.

    • @zimbu_
      @zimbu_ ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't think they have anything like that. Rendi once showed a bug that allowed stalling and getting the xp reward from Tourist Trap multiple times and the account didn't get banned in the weeks following it gaining >10M exp in one tick. There's also a chance they could accidentally end up banning legitimate players when implementing a feature like that if they forget about some random thing like Brimhaven Agility Arena tickets where you can "store" a bunch of xp.

  • @CheeseShady
    @CheeseShady ปีที่แล้ว

    Commented on another video. I'm not sure if this would be too oppressive for the real players, but... why not put in an in game capcha "are you are robot?" Thing?
    Where you have to click the yellow bus. And only require this for certain mini games like LMS or lava caves etccc....

  • @tankypally3583
    @tankypally3583 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    LOL I saw the uwu bot, I only saw a little bit of text but I had no idea it was a bot just thought it was someone being stupid.

  • @Josue-w8n1b
    @Josue-w8n1b ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tbh just an idea but if they added rewards to be able to use the untradeables outside the bh creaters got a certain amount of time before needing to be recharged with bh points it might keep the mini game alive

  • @mrmootjepiratemo4003
    @mrmootjepiratemo4003 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    if all the bots wore ring of recoil corp would be dead right xd

  • @JoshEnglandOfficial
    @JoshEnglandOfficial ปีที่แล้ว

    It's $300 per 24 hrs i doubt it'll be a problem.

  • @GrapexMan
    @GrapexMan ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you investigate slayer cave world 422 I see 3 people with the exact same armor and 2 fighting together. I’m very sure these are bots based on the names and armor.

  • @verbatimshelf3121
    @verbatimshelf3121 ปีที่แล้ว

    my account actually got hacked and i wasnt able to get it back on an appeal wtf?

  • @EzAzAbc
    @EzAzAbc ปีที่แล้ว

    How can there be bots with 100m thieving exp in priff that never get banned...

  • @nevermind5657
    @nevermind5657 ปีที่แล้ว

    about the 3:24 yeah thats possible, i played one day some private server, got bored with it and wanted to get banned so i downloaded bot that somebody had made for the server. and one of the absurd scripts in that was the farming script. while the rsps had actual real time growth timer, this bot planted seed and instantly harvested said plant, even though it should been harvestable only after like 30 minutes. the script was clicking hidden harvest button to harvest the herbs instantly. ofc i kept dumping those to that servers ge for same price as seeds for herbs and just absolutely crashed the herblore costs. it helped that server auto turned those to notes. so hundreds of herbs in few minutes. kept doing it for 2 days! and didn't somehow get banned even though i was miles away in the farm lb of the server. switched to something that i knew was more botted, the script even warned me that it would get banned quickly and sure enough, ring of recoil buyer got banned just 5 minutes after it was running with reason: ring of recoil bot. nothing suspicous that the account had prestigated 50x in farming lb while 2nd had only prestigated 3x. and each time it prestigated the farm gave +1 drop. so each pick was 1 then 2 then 3 then 4 eventually 50x. hundreds of thousands herbs didn't get banned. but bought few ring of recoils? thats a ban.

  • @djgodless7198
    @djgodless7198 ปีที่แล้ว

    No idea if you'll read this but there's like bots in every world almost atm at the lesser demon in the wizards tower

  • @PassiveDamage
    @PassiveDamage 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    bit late to the party but not as late as you, wasnt the lvl 3 rush done way back in 08? or at least thats when i started playing & had friends talking about it.