Jordan Peterson and Camille Paglia Discuss Each Other
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- This is a combination of two separate clips, one with Jordan Peterson and the other with Camille Paglia. They discuss each other, their ideas, and the humanities in education generally.
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Camille Paglia has been my favorite contemporary intellectual for years and Jordan Peterson is slowly becoming a favorite as well. These two are giants in a field of dwarves!
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@@omp365 I'm still going to read all her books. Unfortunately the media doesn't seem like a saner alternative to me.
@@quaid667 what do you mean?
@@omp365 I'm saying let Camille Paglia respond to this video before you condemn her. Or is no one going to bother with that? With an extremely sensitive issue such as this, who the hell is going to discuss it? Middle aged women? They are not the prime suspects. The prime suspects are men. And men are scared of the fucking word. I don't blame them. That's one reason why we have pedophile hunters. Now they can't be at all suspect now can they? That's why I would rather listen to someone who has a vast knowledge and wants to put it out there to educate instead of being the typical dipshit who just accepts the bullshit that we have in every medium. No one gives a fuck about kids anyway. Adults can't even get their own lives in order. Me included. Fuck that snippet video and the narrator. They don't like Camille anyway. Now they have found something and boom. Let's condemn the bitch. Until she releases a book called how to be nonce for dummies, I'll keep checking her out.
@@quaid667 beware the creeping, marxist, acceptance-boundary.
Camille Pagilia is the only person on earth who has a verbal hitch that I am happy to listen too, m'kay.
Right, lots of people dislike her style of speaking but I love the way it snaps you into paying attention.
M'kay?
Paglia has a neurotic "okay" at the end of 90% of her sentences. That being said, I think she uses it as a way for her mouth to catch up with her brain.
She used to use "alright" in the same way many years ago. I've noticed that she doesn't use it when she's speaking (as in narrating / presenting) but as an exclamation mark after she's made a point that she wants someone to take on board.
I presume it comes from her lecturing.
If ok?
If ok?
then ok?
It's still annoying as hell (as any verbal tic is).
She seems more relaxed doing a lecture. Like the one that those idiots were "protesting" at.
It's like the old telegraphs that would end every sentence with "STOP"
I think Tarantino got it from her.
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Still a better love story than Twilight
Memes
OMG hahahaha xD
menachem rephun Again with the Twilight meme.
I ship this.
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Dang, I like her.
"How dare you, you sniveling little maniac to tell us how we're going to use pronouns. Go take a hike, I say to them"
Hilarious.
haha....she's awesome.
she started the “go touch grass” meme before anybody.
the great thing is that Paglia is beraly aware of Peterson's case and still hits the nail in the head when many "activists" can't even understand the point being made.
Very good point. She doesn't seem to need an explanation because she's already seen the point played out closer to home.
30 years ago on the Bill Maher show Politically Incorrect she was very well thought out compared to most people that were on that show when she was.
Peterson: The archetype...
Paglia: Ok, ok, ok, ok.
Draaama
I wouldn't change a single thing about those two brilliant minds. We are so lucky to have them.
I’ve watched their conversation two or three times already. There is something truly awe-inspiring to watch two of such unbelievably brilliant minds playing off each other.
"You don't want me to assume my ultimate form" - Camille
Peterson is a more relaxed and articulate speaker, but Paglia never fails to leave a phrase stuck in my memory after listening or reading her work. "Sniveling little maniacs" will always come to mind when I see a group of these students crowd and bully someone who doesn't conform to their gender identity-based requests.
Have you guys seen their conversation? It's a huge etertainment and priceless.
Bloody awesome! I love listening to these two okay.
How lucky are we, to have such wonderful teaching for free!
Peterson's best work is in human relationships
+Trouble Came Calling Could be. Some of my best ideas came about while fighting a squirmy.
Trouble Came Calling really!?....that's the best you have?!
I remember Paglia saying back in the 90's it will take 20-30 years for someone to come around like her, could it be Peterson?
or Milo
@@RapidBlindfolds Milo? Lol no.
I think you're right, good observation and memory of the 90's.
I love this women! Thanks god we have access to such unique personalities.
he is addictive to listen to.
They are both fantastic!
Paglia has some really good points, ok?
What was her point? I mean the question was about her thoughts on Jordan Peterson, and she basically went on a rant about how women in France and Mexico are more respected because of their monikers... Okay I see her point but that has nothing to do with Jordan Peterson, and his concerns with forcing people to use new pronouns.
Her rant about French and Spanish was to make her position on linguistics clear. She uses French and Spanish to show her support of incorporation of words into languages for more cultured exchange of ideas. But although incorporation of new words is progress, forcing them onto people by law is regressive. So by talking about French and Spanish, we see that her problem is not with making new words, but with imposing those words on everyday language. Instead, new words should be adopted by choice of individuals, which is why the most brilliant of English literary figures which she mentioned have contributed to the language. Not because those people forced their ideas upon others, but because they were powerful enough for people to willingly adopt them. That's the idea behind language arts anyway
Well said, randomwindowsstuffz, I really enjoyed your comment.
Ok? Ok.
Ben Scott 😂🤣
ugh yes the fact that he too admires her is just perfect
I'll give Paglia mastery use of the language if you're ok with using "ok" as a comma or a period
I love these two.
Moments like Camille at 6:15 are one of the joys of life for me. I truly love that.
Verbal mastery beyond belief describes her perfectly.
Love both of them, my heros 💖
I've heard Camille speak in person, and it's an experience I recommend. She machine-guns ideas faster than you can keep up, dropping half constructed but very interesting notions and moving on to the next thing in a single breath. If there's any drawback to that approach it's that her mouth can get in front of her brain at times... Def worth the listen though.
And she'll definitely find points of agreement with Peterson, since she could find points of agreement with William F. Buckley and Angela Davis! She'll find points of disagreement too, which will be the more interesting phenom by far, to those with a brain...
Two absolutely brilliant people fighting for illumination and freedom from destructive ideologies that use fear and Intimidation as strategy for influence.
LOL "go take a hike", I love it!
"Go take a hike!" wonderful
My 2 favorite authors.
Two of my favorite people! Thank you
I've watched that Camille clip many times now and it still makes me laugh to beat the bend. I have tears in my eyes right now... goddamn she's not just smart and wise she is naturally funny too.
Camille Paglia went WAY harder into that then I thought she would
These are role models. Encouragement and guidance, but not instruction as much as suggestion. I love both of them. They've given me the will to kick my own ass into shape.
the g in paglia is silent, its pronounced palia
Found Peterson awhile back; just found Paglia. Both are so enlightening.
Great message. Awesome ending.
Interesting ... but I have to say that my taste in music has always been evolving
OK?
Ok, roughly speaking.
i always hated feminism but now prof. paglia is worth listenning to
Brilliant minds, big props to both of them
Drugs are bad, m'kay?
Dawson Douglas that's gluten for ya
MrRavellon Ibogaine is illegal in US of Amnesia and legal in Mexico and Canada...
And in US of Amnesia coconut oil is bad ass well:coconut oil kills(jp spears;).
Thumbnail shows a rare photo of Camille Paglia with her mouth shut. ;)
Paglia was very influence by Norman O Brown; someone no one reads or thinks about anymore, but should. Loves Body.
She creates the illusion of never taking a real breath, every time you think she will she begins another statement
I love both of them
"More real than real" ... This is why I love Jordan Peterson
Ikr?
"They're uber-meta-hyper-real, they're... *long pause* ... hyper-real in an uber-meta sense"
Must be talking about Platonic Forms
Yes, but his background being in psychology as opposed to philosophy he's more inclined to reference Jung than Socrates/Plato, so he calls them archetypes.
@@childeharoldskillgrimage2652 because what Plato said is different to what Jung said, or at least I see it slightly different. For Plato the ideas were what was real, the world we sense is just a projection of those ideas in an imperfect manner. But what I understand from Jung is that tendencies or patterns in real life are as real if not more than the physical manifestation of it. The physical world is real. But fenomena is real as a change of something, not as a physical object. So, a succession of events that repete itself in different physical places and times is more real that a specific place and time where that succession of events occurred. The physicalllity is still equally real, but the fenomena of it is what isn't.
I'm still trying to find a way to explain this, since this is the first time that I tried to explain this.
@@Ignasimp I understand what you're saying, but I think you haven't totally followed through on either line of reasoning. If Platonic forms "exist" in the way he/Socrates described them, they do so at a level wherein the distinction between an 'object' and a 'process' doesn't exist. Namely, infinitude/timelessness. So the patterns of human behavior and belief, as noted by Jung despite manifold variations therein, would just be an extension of Platonic forms.
Peterson and Paglia are bright and articulate - both of 'em.
So good! 👍🏽👍🏽
Two legends.
Do you know anyone else afflicted with PagliaMania?
I do! ... thank you for your contribution to the lexicon! ;)
shes like the real life MR.mackey mmmmkayyyyyyyyy
I'm a fan of both.
My understanding is that JP did not refuse to use someone's preferred pronouns but that he is resistant to legislation requiring/making it a crime to not do so.
Is it petty to say I find it tiresome to hear the term "OK?" inserted after every brief statement? Does Paglia actually hear or listen to herself, now and then?
By the way, I'm not playing favorites - I find them both annoying as the recipients of way too much attention.
That's comical!
Hey, if we need somebody to pull an uninformed presupposition out of their ass and toss it at somebody they don't know...can we give you a holler? LOL
2 geniuses
GO take a hike!
Her verbal mastery didn't actually manifest in this video considering she said "okay" at least twelve dozen times in 5 sentences.
Its a verbal tick
Ok!
how would you take notes on Jordan Petersons pontificating?
Bullshitting more like - the guy sets up a claim that nobody holds then miraculously out-argues his non-existent opponent
anyone see Peterson in comments wanna say hi...
Paglia's argument was emotional. Would have loved to hear her break down her opinion of what makes Ms. okay and alternate gender pronouns not .
The fans of Ms worked in public to try and popularize the term, for example by starting a magazine. Eventually Ms joined the English language and was written into dictionaries through popular use.
The alternative genders crowd are attempting to change English usage by persuading government to change the law to force people to use their new words.
See 1984 for why it is a bad idea to let the government control the language.
I would love to watch a long conversation between Peterson, Paglia, Harris and Dawkins.
Juan that would be very interesting conversation.
They need to have a baby together... you know... for the future of all of Western Civilization.
To clear this up once and for all, she's bisexual. Joy Behar outright asked her whether she'd rather do Tom Cruise or Katie Holmes. She chose Tom.
I love Camille
okay
Bravo!!!
Peterson (paraphrasing) - 'Here is someone that agrees with me, she is great, go check her out.
She has a great linguist and rational skill to formulate counter argument at a fast speed'.
Not in this video she didn't.
Describing how one pronoun formed and was accepted, is not a strong argument for how any pronoun 'should' be introduced. That is fallacious.
I don't know why i see other things, he said somthn about underlying dramatic structures. I think i'm at the end of Romeo and Juliet.
They are introducing new pronouns with legislstive force.
I don't know if I should watch this is my head going to pop
where am I? logic seems to be here. unfamiliar territory.
I love them both lol
She's way more energetic than him. That's a good contrast.
What lectures are the video clips from? Can you please link them?
Paglia; "The English language is owned by everyone...It was created by great artists; Chaucer & Shakespeare, Wordsworth, Joyce & so on. How dare you? You sniveling, little maniacs to tell US how WE are going to use pronouns. GO TAKE A HIKE I say to them!" Go get'em Ms Paglia...go get'em!
5:16 "Look at Gloria Steinem, her one great accomplishment..." LOL :)
Dain lol I laughed my asse off when she said that :)
I never minded being called Miss, and I'm a contemporary of Paglia. I dislike "Ms" because I am not a manuscript. As for G. Steinem, she has no great accomplishments!
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As someone with an Italian mother (and for real Italian, not second third fifth whatever generation shit), it literally makes me insane every time I see someone pronounce an Italian last name that involves a G before an L and pronounces the G. Its basically a silent g. Its Pail-E-Uh. Buscaglia is Boo-Skall-E-Uh. Etc.
Maybe because not everyone is ITALIAN?? so how would someone like me who is not Italian suppose to know that we don't pronounce the G in their name?
That'd be fine in Italy.
kutark Stop wasting the worlds Gs then greedy bastards.
then go move to italy, get on one of those rafts from Somalia.
I'd like to hear you pronouncing Russian and Ukrainian surnames right. However, to say the truth, I don't care that much and so should you.
Paglia has no equal.
Ok
Seems like anyone can get into Yale, m'kay.
What a gal.
love Camille SO FEISTY!!
She is an Aries born in the Year of the Fire Pig/Boar. Pigs are the domesticated version; angry wild boars are famous for charging and gorging with their tusks. And of course, Aries is ruled by the planet Mars, the god of war.
Are you sure she's not Camille Makie? Mmm K
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She's a cultural historian.
Draama OKAY OKAY OKAY lol
ok?
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Shes a beeeeeaaasssst!!
Pink !
mkay
Are you kidding me? Ok? The english language! Ok? You sniveling maniac Ok? Take a hike! Ok? Alright? ahmmm ok.
I don't know why people worship Peterson. He is so conventional. Paglia (pronounced pay-LEE-a) is so much more original.
What is the problem with being conventional? If at least some of the most conventional ideas in our culture weren't in fact great, you and I probably wouldn't be around, and, if at all, probably not enjoying such quality of life as the one it has granted us. Also, amid so many people who, like you, love novelty, perhaps Peterson's message is made all the more valuable, so that we may not forget what is most important by attempting to embrace all the shiny, original and untested ideas, which can become quite dangerous when taken too seriously.
Lucas--“Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.”
― Bertrand Russell
I agree with your sentiment, but don't you think being "conventional" in thought like Peterson is now more eccentric and controversial a position than being otherwise? I mean, just look at the backlash the man is getting.
So, they just let the janitor, with all the keys hanging off his belt, teach one day?
"What about music? It's like everyone loves it or almost everyone...In most cultures music plays a very central role in identity formation..." Why does islamic ideology deny muslims the joy of music?
? This is not true. Muslims just today I was talking with a student of mine that is muslim about the music he listens to.
What a bunch of bull. "You're favourite music will be the music you've listened to between the age of 16 and 20" Where does he get this crap from? Like Paglia tho...
Mmmmk