"Pornography opens a window into the animal reality of sexuality which current gender studies discourse tries to ban...sexuality is a primitve force that is coming from our animal nature and civilzation rose to contain this animal nature...The heat is in the violation of the taboo. All pornography contains social information." Her acceptance of porn is based on her libertarian stance, not that it is "good" for society, but it is up to society to examine this freely, and not up to governments to ban. It is a freedom of speech issue for her.
Studies (there are many) actually support the idea when available sexual assaults and rapes decrease. Good example of how control can lead to the opposite of the intended result.
I don't think that's what she's entirely saying. I think libertarianism would be "tolerating pornography". She seems to be arguing about the integral nature of pornography in our culture, granted that there is some (cultural) structure to it (i.e: don't put up stuff in the Cochran or in front of kids hahaha). I don't think it's about being good or bad for society, it's how we integrate it into our culture and our personal lives as well.
lope-side libertarian-ism: crybullies demanding toleranace for porn in a porn-saturated world, while threatening to rape and silent a MINORITY who dare complain about the down side of pornification and degradation of females. when will we acknowledge dehumanization of women has become so vile and normalized, that we have elevated a mute nazi porn barbie into the highest office, and we would let a gun-crazy porn-playmate's unproven words destroy a sincere and productive pro-feminism senator. wake the f up america or suffer decline into trump-roy hell hole.
You should read and listen more. She may not be nice for your particular ear but shes a whirlwind of awesome woman-ness. Full of character and expression and very arty.
@@stallonegodinho6296 I'm aware and there's nothing wrong with that. She doesn't buy into the narrative that sex and gender are completely disconnected though. Fascinating woman
I think she also misses the point that sexuality as primitive as it is, is also influenced by our own psychology, trauma, and experiences as children, and may turn out not so primitive but sadistic, masochistic, aggressive, and sometimes dangerous. And as pornography might support sex, it also supports all kinds of dangerous fantasies that people then might replicate and actually hurt others or themselves with... Not to mention pornography also takes the joy out of real sex between partners and creates a whole set of obstacles that they would have to overcome. I am not against her arguments I just think there are pros and cons to everything
Yes, though I love her, she does not confront the dark hellish depths of human sexuality : pedophilia, zoophilia, rape videos, snuff films, nails and needles hammered through flesh.
I don't agree. Prostitution ends up facilitating human trafficking because of the acceptance of this existing market and the acceptance of supplying girls. It is a gateway of human trafficking, especially for young girls who come from distressed families.
@@KarlSnarks You really think because it's legalized it will be regulated by the govm? You live in a dream world. Have you seen the people working at the government and how their processes are? The government is SLOW and will not be "regulating" this much at all.
@@mariaavalon3730 The fact that it's on cave walls makes porn no more natural than the fact it is was in magazines and is now on the internet. It just means it's old. Old doesn't mean good. Look at what we've left behind, how we've evolved. Look at the damage porn does to the brain.
There is lots of evidence to suggest that porn not only demeans and degrades men and women (it reduces both to vulgar sex objects- they are no longer ends within themselves but means to an end; in other words they are instrumentalised) but it also damages the sexual relationships of the people who consume it. Its also addictive, which can't be a good thing. It makes one less free.
Bayreuth, Sola Dosis Facit Venenum it's the dose which makes a thing a poison. That is true for drugs, water, gambling, religion, and almost everything else. Dimethyl Mercury is all kinds of bad.
Just because someone speaks with passion and sounds like they know what they're talking about doesn't actually make them smart. She doesn't think before she speaks - it's just pure emotion. BTW, Camille used to think that pedophilia was OK and even advocated for the legal age of consent to be moved down to 14. She even advocated that certain kinds of child pornography were OK. Only years later did she come to realize that it was a mistake and that children should be protected. What kind of person would think that was OK to begin with?
Someone who is not in their right mind due to some childhood trauma. No excuse, of course. I've heard her say she believes transgenderism is caused by a trauma in childhood. I wonder if she considers her other views, which are degenerate to my ears, are because of something that went wrong in childhood?
I mostly agree with her views however her ideals on the sex trade seems outdated. She should have a look at what is the current hot item in the sex world and I think she may change her mind. Depravity is sexy now n look at all the Lolita's running around, not your creepy uncle's mags from the 70's! Study's show that most people in the industry struggle with addiction and victim abuse issues. Or, in my opinion are so detached from their own sexuality, that to them filming it or selling it is akin to taking a dump...use YOUR own imagination to create intimacy, don't drink the Kool-Aid
@@MrWhiskeycricketIf you can't use common sense to see the myth, all emirical evidence are there to show you as well - I don't need to supply you with the data, when you have access to search engines and can do it yourself, and you yourself also only brought up anecdotes to support your claims. Spare me with your political correctness, it doesn't work on me. The word "prostitution" is not derogatory in of itself. And I don't agree that LIFE is damaging to all individuals!
Prostitution is rife with these problems precisely *because* it is illegal, and therefore, driven into the underground. Legalizing and regulating it is a solution.
@@lindahertel1365 Pornography is damaging to all individuals ... well that's a claim, one made with no evidence whatsoever. This claim, denies that there is a natural desire to consume and enjoy pornography which when enjoyed properly can be a healthy exercise. Any claim otherwise is one which denies basic humanity and would supplant individuals to a belief which would have individuals suppress otherwise perfectly healthy expressions. This is what would be damaging. Your backward, censorship view of human sexuality and desires is what is damaging.
BTW, someone once asked Camille's opinion regarding women who gave in to sexual harassment at work as the only way to have a job. And she was shocked that any woman should stoop so low, as no woman in her family had ever done so, they would rather resign and seek some other job. They had more dignity than that, she said. I'm glad that the women in her family had enough of a financial safety net that they never had to prostitute themselves just to pay the rent or have food to eat. But she did give herself away in that answer: she did reveal that as far as she's concerned prostitution is that thing that those sub-humans of that lower social class over there are doing, whereas nice respectable women like the ones in her family would rather starve than stoop so low! No one agrees with prostitution including the pimps themselves. It's just that as long as it's happening to someone else instead of you it's fine. Non-disgusting human beings who are capable of empathy and compassion want everyone's children to live a dignified life, not just the ones in their own family. Camille Paglia doesn't live in a society, she's a predator. That's why she is also supportive of paedophilia (you can look it up).
I’m not so sure it’s a verbal tick. Because there are times when she looks at someone and then she’ll say right instead. I wonder if she is processing the thoughts so fast that she’s saying OK periodically based on the facial cues from the people to whom she speaking.
_"And I do wonder if females are brought up to hide their visual sexual interest."_ The claim that men are more sexually visual than women is pretty clear from a scientific standpoint. This stem from the fact that men evolved to be hunters while women evolved to be gatherers so men see a sexual target whereas women scan the landscape for men. Studies show that women have better peripheral vision. Men have much better spacial awareness (that's why so many boys play video games) whereas women have better spacial memory. Statistically, the biggest psychometric difference between men and women is the interest for things versus interest for people. Men are more interested in things and women are more interested in people. That's why asocial and antisocial people tend to be men whereas women tend to be more social than men. That's also why women tend to choose professions like nursing or teaching (people oriented) whereas engineering and construction (thing oriented) are typical male occupations. This difference exists everywhere on Earth and is observed from birth. Sexually, it means that men are more likely to see women as sexual objects whereas women are more likely to see men as "success object". The former is visual, the latter is social.
@@BlunderCity you could send these chicks twenty+ references dictating how certain physiological changes in the brain/related structures between sexes influence gravely human behavior, but they'll still find a way to tell you that all of these things could be detrained through social engineering. To them, behavioral biology is a pseudoscience branch designed to control women.
I actually had to come here because I was listening to a podcast she had with JBP, she denounced that she was in support of pornography and prostitution without even giving any reasons for that. She’s got some truly bizarre openness yet she is a social critic. And even listening to this particular speech? She honestly didn’t drive any point home, so much for being a Professor.
I think society needs to be reminded that sex is a beautiful thing. That it's not all abuse, power, diseases, violence and danger, but mostly pleasure, connection and love.
Hmm. She looks at this view from a lofty academic standpoint, not from reality. She is also discussing sensuality in art and erotica, not pornography and prostitution per se.
Yes, she supports it in that it reveals the repressed desires people have, and thus the true distinctions between men and women, which disprove all the bullshit peddled by those in gender studies.
I think she's an important thinker, although I don't agree with everything she thinks. But I did mist up a bit when she talked about the heyday of the great fashion magazines...Irving Penn and Richard Avedon were true masters, who inspired me to become a fashion photographer. Alexey Brodovitch was the genius art director of Harper's Bazaar, and he was loved by his genius photographers for giving them one instruction before an assignment: "Astonish me!" So, to inspire me daily, for years, I've kept a card in my wallet that simply says: Astonish!
I grant Camille Paglia does recognize how a focus on the consequences of human behavior leads to a superficial intellectual understanding that rarely addresses the cause or change things. But because she is emotionally unstable and egoistic, she reacts instead of acts on this and ends up giving silly speeches that are intended to inflame rather than enlighten. This prevents her from digging down and revealing what her intuition is telling her and then articulating this in a way the rest of her academic peers (or society itself) can understand. Because I agree with her. She is correct. We can't "ban" things and expect they go away because this is ultimately a band-aid solution. It focuses on consequences of a dysfunctional behavioral perspective rather than understanding the underlying drivers of it. Other commenters may want to excuse their own addiction by claiming scientific research and all, but that is BS. Pornography and prostitution are harmful. It objectifies all who participate, dehumanizes them and decreases our emotional intimacy as humans. It reflects a dysfunctional expression of sexual behavior, not a unique expression of it. The latter is the same moral relativism those like Ms. Paglia push against in their constant critique of the postmodern view. We have to bring to light the underlying need for this and address that cause at the source instead of reacting and always creating externally focused "control measures". This only results in hiding the behavior, allowing it to become more extreme and darker as Paglia has pointed out more than once.
A loud Italian I find that you provide less reasons to support your stance than Paglia does. “Porn is depravity” is just asserting what you believe, but you provide zero reasons to support your claim. As to the matter of prostitution I would agree that you have a valid point as long as we are considering specific circumstances, but it just doesn’t apply to the category of prostitution as a whole. First off, because it’s not by far an exclusive female activity, and second because there are instances when prostitution is indeed linked to slavery, involving many times kidnapping, captivity and forced sex (as Tyler Chamberlain pointed out), which is very different in my view from consenting adults coming to a financial agreement in exchange for sex, although, of course, there’s not always a clear line between these two.
Ridiculous. Her concept of pornography is completely intellectual and nostalgic and not grounded in the reality that modern pornography is extremely damaging to male sexuality as well as corrupted by sex trafficking and prostitution. Camille has wonderful commentary about many things, but her view on porn and prostitution is limited by her view that these forces are merely something to marvel at from a distance, not how they actually affect people's lives.
Pornography presents a distorted view of sex and chronic exposure to its stimuli produces effects in the brain that damage the arousal pathways, essentially making men impotent without it. Of course, this isn't the case with all men, but its effects have been studied and documented. It also alters the reward pathways in the same way that affects drug addicts to the point that porn addicts actually prefer their computer screens over real sex with another person.
I set playback speed to .75 and it was intolerably tedious. So out of curiosity I set playback to 1.25 and was amazed to discover the lecture was easier to follow!
She wrote in 1991: “I'm someone who is on the record as being pro-pornography--all the way through kiddie porn and snuff films. I'm pro-prostitution--I mean really pro, not just pro-prostitute and against prostitution. I'm pro-abortion, pro-homosexuality, pro-drag queens, pro-legalization of drugs.” So I doubt it would go well
After the war it was impossible for many people to get jobs in France and for a while they legalized prostitution and sex shows for men and women and those women in particular now not only had enough to support their families. Sexual crime went down and the pimps actually lobbied to get it illegal again because they could no longer control the women who now had protection at their work place. I have a good relationship with a family friend who is almost like my aunt who worked as just an escort for 5 years and she had to hire her own gangster because the police didn't help her when criminals threatened to kidnap her. She moved to a country which legalized sex therapy and now owns her own practice. She has studied psychology and now mainly works with handicapped people or those with a mental disorder, many which have an IQ under 90, and first teaches them to be comfortable sexual beings and that it's ok to be nervous but if it's paralyzing fear they will never have sex unless they learn to be comfortable in their own naked skin. Some are also just men who didn't have any luck finding a girlfriend or boyfriend during school and have become afraid of sex and women. And teaches them on how to be on a date. Now 99% of those clients are men, but women with various handicaps does become once a month clients. She has 6 women and 2 guys who now works at her sex clinic, trained professionals and have said that since I am still a virgin in my late 20s, and only have 10-15 years left to live. She thinks I would benefit from having a talking session with each of the women, tell them how one of the side effect of my illness causes sexual problems, instead of being ashamed that I can't always function as a man. And that after talking to each she is sure I would feel comfortable enough with at least one of the women. The only reason I haven't travelled before is because while I understood why people would choose to use escorts, I really thought that I would just be a late bloomer but eventually I would find love. Its how I would like to lose my virginity and it still is, but after getting the diagnosis I have started to seriously consider if I will do it once we leave the country to visit her in september. I currently still don't want to do it and I would like it to be with someone I love. But I have decided that I will set up appointments to just talk since I feel like I need to have an honest conversation about how I don't feel like a man, and how the illness makes me so lonely. She has also said that I don't need to have sex, after I told her my biggest fantasy isn't really sex but I would like to experience what it's like to cuddle while watching my favorite movie. It's lame I know but not getting touched and lack of skin contact, it feels like I am starving for it. I had to keep myself from crying from joy the last time I got a hug from a nice woman. So I want to go in with an open mind but at the moment the farthest I want to go is only to be held and I want to have my first kiss. People need to stop thinking these women and men are slaves just because they either have never had problems getting sex whenever they want, or view it as a sacred thing. It only matters how you feel about it for your own sexual life, judging others for how they feel about it and that you know better then them on how their sex life should be is the definition of slut shaming. Which feminists doesn't seem to understand.
Christian90z Bunke This is a very great and insightful comment. I'm so sorry about your diagnosis. I really hope you are doing okay and that you get what you are looking for. 🙏🏽❤️
Feeling a great need to be touched and cuddled isn't lame, and society is getting more aware of that fact now because of the whole pandemic. Hope you've found resolution to your insecurities around sex and intimacy in the two years since you wrote this comment, whether it's with the women from the clinic, or someone of your own.
@@lalar2755 There is nothing to can be done, I just happened to draw a short straw in life and that's okay. I'm not looking forward to it but at the same time when your normal is spending as much time at hospitals and clinics as I have. Having gone through some of the worst experiences that you can think of, you end up realizing that there are things in life that are worse than death. Just to be clear in a first-world context; I am completely aware that while things have sucked if I hadn't been born in the west I would either be dead already or wishing every day that I was if I didn't have the same access to the health care that my country, family and friends provides. The only thing that I really do struggle with is quality of life, I would give up my remaining years if it meant that I could have an entire year where my body functioned like a normal person. True I wouldn't be able to settle down and live the kind of life that I really want which is the most vanilla thing of finding someone who wants to spend the rest of their lives with me and creating a family. It would be cruel of me to do that now let alone if I only had a year. But I would have the ability to go around and see the world I'm leaving behind (if we weren't living in a pandemic of course), have some experiences that most people have before their 20, both good and bad cause I can tell you right now. As long as we aren't talking about something that would hurt another person, it's always better to regret doing something than it is to regret that you didn't do it. If you have someone in your life that you truly care about, be honest and say you don't expect nothing back from them but you need to tell them the truth of how you feel because you can't live with the regret, and you need to know for sure to be able to move on. Now obviously we all want to live in harmony wit people so if you waited so long that the person you care about is either in a long loving relationship or is married and maybe have kids. You shouldn't put your shit on them just so that you can feel better, that will also just destroy your friendship. But if it's an appropriate moment don't ever hold back because you fear rejection, getting rejected is nowhere near as bad as feeling like you didn't take the shot at experiencing happiness. Even if it doesn't last forever, or the only good thing about it is the beginning, atleast you got to feel something good and you can use the bad to adjust for the next time something good comes along.
I'm tired of people (usually women) saying that women are objectified. The truth is that women are complicit in their own objectification. Nobody forces them to pose nude, dress provocatively, work as exotic dancers, etc. If this bothers you then the most you can say is "we have met the enemy and it is us."
And human trafficking is intertwined with pornography and prostitution. Instead of stating uneducated opinions, you should research this and see exactly how much FORCE are being used, so stop your delusions..
I wish she could have been more specific. There is light pornography there is taboo pornography and then there is downright evil pornography which I'm sure she does not stand for and definitely would not call art.
Pretty much everyone agrees there are lines but people really do not agree on where those lines are, especially across cultures and time. I mean, almost no-one thinks porn with children is acceptable, but what age is OK? 18? 16? 21? What if different countries don't agree? What about people who happen to look younger than the cutoff point? Or who lie about their age? What if the rules change - how does that affect porn already in existence? Should art have to follow the same rules? What about art from different cultures and centuries ago? And who gets to decide?
@@Kakashigirl250 I don't know. Do you mean she thinks sex with children should be legal or do you mean she thinks artistic depictions of sex with children are OK? Big difference. Or are you talking about the medical/psychological condition itself?
@@jrd33 I am still researching this about her, but from what I've read she's directly quoted in her book "Sexual Personae" that she supports "man/boy love" and that the ancient Romans were right. There is even a man/boy love that quotes her on their website. I dont have a copy of her book but it doesnt seem like her words were taken out of context.
@@Kakashigirl250 Yes, she seems to be in favour of abolition of the age of consent and relaxation on pornography laws (or at least, she used to think this way. I don't know if she still does). From what I've read, she does seem to be taking a radical ideological position on the subject based on her studies of historical art and culture. I don't think she's actually campaigning for any change to the law, though, she's just voicing her own opinion and consequences be damned.
What is she on? I want some of that caffeine, okay. also anyone notice she talks like Quentin Tarantino, okay? Okay, anyone notice this, okay? Otherwise, she great, okay?
It's actually really easy to find tons of porn that's neither degrading nor demeaning... unless you think having sex on camera in the first place is inherently degrading and demeaning.
Porn is prostitution. I'm neither condemning nor celebrating those who participate or partake, but we owe it to ourselves to be honest about our terminology here, and not rationalise away the reality of pornography in the way that the otherwise brilliant and insightful Paglia does. Porn is self-evidently not art in the way that Mozart is art, or Botticelli's "Birth of Venus' is art - so Paglia really needs to define and refine her terms if she is not to make herself sound foolish here (and I speak as someone who really admires the lady). Even the word 'Pornography' can be traced etymologically through Greek and Latin to the meaning 'depiction of a prostitute'. (porne - prostitute; graphein - depict, describe). Fact: if you work in porn as an 'actress' you are a prostitute; if you work behind the scenes as an agent, manager, film crew, etc, you are a sort of pimp (enabler), earning secondary money from the prostitute's primary activity; if you watch porn, you are a punter. So the question here is really not 'is porn art? or 'does porn empower women or degrade them?' - it is - how do we moderns feel about the time-(dis)honoured role of the prostitute? Of selling the sexual act (or a version of it) for money? Self-evidently, prostitution in some form or other is an existential fact of human history, it may never have done women or men much good, but it's here to stay, so how do we deal with it? Other questions follow in train. If we accept a level of prostitution, how do we regulate it? Should prostitution ever be allowed to become this accessible? If not, why not? Or should it be banned? CAN it be banned? What happens IF we ban it? Does that bring problems? Do we have the right to ban adults from doing what they want with their sexuality? (even violent porn, which, like S & M sexuality, I'm happy to say - call me old-fashioned! - remains an abhorrent mystery to me). Interestingly, Shakespeare deals with this whole area in the so-called 'problem play' - Measure for Measure, where the city of Vienna has gone to pot (no pun intended) through excessive indulgence in sex and vice. Shakespeare tries to get to grips with some answers. See if you agree. I have personally felt for some time that we are barking up the wrong (puritan) tree in seeking to ban porn. I see our current consumer society as subjecting men and women to such high levels of alienation, such brutalist environments, such relentless treadmills of money-earning and spending that sexuality is bound to be their first recourse as a means of compensation! Masturbation always lies so close to hand! Men - whose access to sexual gratification is more visual - get home and think 'get me access to pleasure I can control at the press of a button! and get me it now!' So until and unless culture provides avenues for more meaningful lives, more accessible modes of self-expression; until it gives people the chance to find real value to their existence, then, of course, sex and porn (and drugs and rock'n'roll, etc) will assume disproportionate importance in their lives. Man's energy will out! Sex, as an expression of that vigour, is vital, beautiful, pleasurable - but it ain't everything! Whereas we're currently encouraged to believe that sex is, indeed, all there is! As a poet, I am of the conviction that we need to complement our delight in sex with an ecstatic enjoyment of the arts, of fellowship, of the creative pursuit of shared ideals across the whole spectrum of human endeavour! Conversely, just to ban the compensatory pleasure of sex, however debased it's become, would be to punish men into a kind of dangerous reactivity. By the way, may I also thank the other posters for their many insightful and revealing comments on this fascinating thread.
A saucy seaside postcard or a comic book is not art in the way Botticelli is, but it is still art. I can't see how porn fails to be art in a world which calls performance art and a urinal signed by Duchamp art.
this is 2017 with post-miley post-minaj mtv on prime time. sleaze is so normalized, why the need to legitmize porn or sex workers, or any work you don't want your younger sisters or daughters to do? yes i know the answer. you want to sell your kids or buy your groin gratification without shame, and as roy moore would say, "i never do anything without their mother's permission".
Points taken. Well it's a tragically confused old world out there! All I would say is that there is a degree of hypocrisy involved in all transgressive behaviour. Sexual 'transgression' is not unique. No doubt, we all occasionally do, say, think, feel things we wouldn't want our kids to repeat. Added to which mainstream porn's prostitutes are not children. Though not wholly aware of the consequences of their actions, they are aware sex work carries a social stigma and somehow impacts on their own self-esteem. I personally don't want to shame prostitutes or those who employ their services. I'm a fatalist. Life is a devil's bargain. And we all have to pay the devil our own debt eventually.
i am more inclined to understand her sentiment here if it in some way accelerationist. in my book pornography dumbs down human imagination, not the opposite, and that doesn't come from an inherently moralist stance either, which is just one of many "downsides" to it
You simply cannot compare pornography and prostitution to art. The former are only popular because of innate appeal, whereas the latter is popular because of aesthetic appeal.
Have you ever been to a (more modern) art gallery? I'm sure if I give you some porn pictures and some art pictures you would not be able to distinguish which one is which.
Right, porn and prostitution have no relation to art ... and art has no relation to pornography or prostitution. This is a claim, but not one which holds any merit.
Interesting to read negative comments. She is extremely well read, researched, and experienced. One may disagree with her, one may not understand her contextual references, yet she is not ignorant nor authoritarian
This is not black/white issue. I don’t see how anyone can actually take a stance one way or the other when it comes to porn because it totally depends on what porn you’re talking about...who was involved, were they consenting adults, what’s the content of the fantasy? were they paid? All of these things make a difference.
Prostitution was the key factor on empowering women in the "Wild West" during the whole cowboys eras, and it was a big factor in the economy of that region in that era.
i love what she has to say but lol at 1:36 in and my chest is tightening with anxiety, her pace of speech and body language are like a witness recounting a horrendous murder, i can't take it right now
Porn causes Erectile dysfunction in young men but her point i guess is different. Prostitution on the other hand should be legal and it will help society.
“To others, the universe seems decent because decent people have gelded eyes. That is why they fear lewdness. They are never frightened by the crowing of a rooster or when strolling under a starry heaven. In general, people savor the "pleasures of the flesh" only on condition that they be insipid. But as of then, no doubt existed for me: I did not care for what is known as "pleasures of the flesh" because they really are insipid; I cared only for what is classified as "dirty." On the other hand, I was not even satisfied with the usual debauchery, because the only thing it dirties is debauchery itself, while, in some way or other, anything sublime and perfectly pure is left intact by it. My kind of debauchery soils not only my body and my thoughts, but also anything I may conceive in its course, that is to say, the vast starry universe, which merely serves as a backdrop.” ― Georges Bataille, Story of the Eye
@@fieryalbino But way more definitely don’t. Ask women living on the outskirts of Dakar whether they like to objectify men sexually. And the women on this planet who live closer to that kind of reality outnumber those whose condition resembles upper class college educated women living in San Francisco by literally 100 to 1. The blurring of gender lines is silly sophistry and flies in the face of all apparent evidence. There are clear differences between men and women in the way they view sex and sexuality. But today shallow intellectuals like to tout contrarian theories about everything because being contrarian for its own sake is seen to hold greater currency in academic circles. Why build incrementally on top of established wisdom and scholarship when you can upend everything and declare yourself the new high priest of a new paradigm? Way more money, fame and glory in the new racket.
Cave brother painting in bold strokes with the blood from the last hard worn kill. On the walls is the image of the most gloriously beautiful woman he has seen. In that moment he is both excited and alive.
In general business class we were taught to connect with the customer in emotional manners.One of those ways with much emphasis on was sexual.That was in the 11th grade.I'm not a pschycologist but we are pushed towards thinking these things.Why
Basically: "I support prostitution, and I adore prostitutes. It should be legal and rampant, and prostitutes should have the freedom to operate wherever they want... except for: *INSERT LONG LIST OF ARBITRARY PLACES/SITUATIONS WHERE PROSTITUTION WOULD BE EXTREMELY PROBLEMATIC" Ridiculous. There is nothing honorable about sex work.
Maybe. But on second reflection we realize that there is no one in the culture saying this weird shtt. Saying that porn is a true glimpse into roiling animal energies, and should be honored like art is? Never heard that one before.
And endlessly. There are more run on sentences in this thing than I can count. I have been criticized for the same thing online but I at least always hit my point.
What if your daughter-mother-sister-husband or wife ....is into the practice of this very impersonal yukki loveless porn and prostitution business ?...
An adult should be able to do what they want with their life. If my daughter's or sister's manipulative boyfriend forced them into it, I would reason with them but if it's their personal decision I would want this industry to be regulated in a way that affords them labour rights, protection and good compensation. Whether you find it subjective or yucky is your own subjective opinion.
My cousins were Playboy Bunnies. They were attractive working class women earning good money using their attributes. Most of the objectors to that are uptight middle-class women.
I prefer Carl Jung ,but if prostitution would be legal, it would be much safer for those who does it and I don't underatand that legal ,illegal thing. Where is point to make these thing illegal? Even if that will become legal, it's dangerous profession. Seems like she's trying to integrate those things in our society. I think we should care about each othere and society would be better place if we would accept what already exists, not to deny. It's like shadow work for us.
This is awful to try to listen to. Did she just shoot up speed! It's changed, feminist's now love porn, Cosmo, vogue. This is a social critic. No not interested in her oppinion.
so Camille i love you but why would you want pornography that demeans men and women, on this topic you failed to convince me, there is no good in prostitution or porn, they are destructive forces
It failed to convince you? Who cares. Honey, no one respects your take on things when you can't even be bothered to capitalize your own name, it gives you more dignity and heft and standing. Emily Schwellenbach, much nicer I think.
emily schwellenbach LOL. You protest both absolutely and with maliciously destructive force, all in the name of preserving humanity. But you fail. Your Postmodern feminist position is infantilizing and fascist. First of all, you can't speak for everyone. You are, despite your delusional state of mind, an individual, and you are an autonomous being, not a cell in a collective. Secondly, you deny the animal and creative and destructive instincts which exist in all humans. The fact that pornography offends your sensibilities and sensitivities is evidence of what Professor Paglia speaks of when she mentioned the taboos contained in ponography. Thirdly, denial of, and suppression of representations of sexuality, that both men and women actually enjoy ponography is statically demonstrated, and that psychological evidence supports the health benefits of viewing ponography all prove that suppression of pornographic images does more harm than good. So, please, save it for someone else
sorry to read the generally disrespectful answers to your post. However as Paglia says she neither watches nor subscribes to pornography but the truth of the force behind these realities - prostitution and pornography - are here and undeniable and saying there is no good in them is embarrassing and useless. How do you know?
her most popular talks on youtube don't quite paint the picture of her as a genius that I was told she is. Might still read her book sexual personae due to recommendation but this take seems to have horrible implications in practice and neglects the realities of trafficking and consent/agency (or lackthereof) when money is tight. I'm sure she is a great thinker by her process but the conclusions show the privileges she herself has, ones she often points out in other women to back up her claims against their ideology.
What a slippery slope this is...😳 everywhere you look these days you find evidence of retrograde. It’s like individuals everywhere who should know better are having their screws loosens behind their back...while they’re not looking. It’s very concerning. ...Easy to see why societies crumble into inhuman conditions and then disappear.
She is so right and her own theories are very consistent: she supports pornography because she respects the animal part in human nature and the physical gender differences. I don't understand why most of the comments here don't get it.
Bcs that is not all there is to it & we all know it already. Thru the entire history of civilization, pornography has ALWAYS been a/us. It has always been our choice as a community as to where we draw the line. The line has changed w/how society changes. We do it, we decide to sign on w/it or not, as payment for belonging & being on the inside. You can't do away w/that. You may not like it, but you always need to choose. You may go against the grain but there'll be a price to pay. This,too, is part of honest animal urges or instincts. Just bcs you like pork dies not make it rt. Just bcs you choose not to doesn't always mean it's wrong. It's like that judge sitting on the pornography case pronounced it : "I know it when I see it...".
I don't understand this 'respect' for our animal nature. Awareness that it might be apparent at times, yes, but respect? We've evolved so much from our primitive days. Why must we respect some of our unevolved traits and not others. It seems it depends on whether they are capable of giving pleasure or not. I guess we wouldn't be so interested in reverting to hunter-gathering or dying from a cold winter.
I like Camille's views on transgenderism but am disappointed with this. We've evolved from our primitive days. Does she feel we should rekindle our other ways of being animalistic? Hunter-gathering? Building fires to keep warm, or die? Porn and prostitution are degenerate. Porn alters our brains, it ruins the ability to bond and enjoy intimacy, therefore ruining relationships, and in turn family life, and in turn children. Teenagers who view it grow up not knowing what loving sex is. Prostitution is often a 'career' for abused, traumatised women. How sad that there's a way they can retraumatise themselves every day at 'work'. How sad they're not learning any other skills they can improve their confidence with, pass on to their children one day, and contribute to society with. No, they just got f**ked day after day. How sad that it's used by people with mental health issues and attachment disorders and comes between men and their wives/girlfriends. I'm surprised about her views on this, considering she views the transgenderism issue as part of a debauched and collapsing society. And I wonder if her own childhood trauma is responsible for her views on porn and prostitution, as she has stated it is with her own transgender status.
I feel pornography is distracting and gross. That doesn’t make it wrong. It’s reception needs to be concerned with, and there needs to be honesty of its use and it’s relevance. More needs to be understood about sexual desire and it’s weaving into a healthy, stable, democratic society, and as relevant, it’s religious connections. Eve was naked when she invited Adam to have sex. From the beginning, a woman invites a man to have sex. It was a man listening to a woman over God that was the problem. When a man puts a woman in control in this way, and destroys health and working well together, the very thing God wanted them to focus on, he commits a sin. Adam knew better than to just engage in sex, but he denied his own self-control and in doing that denied God. God did not create this animal energy in men; this isn’t how men are created by such a Creator. An imagined discourse between a woman and a serpent, a surreal and unnatural experience, compels him. Just because it looks good does not mean a man will automatically partake because of how he is created. A woman never invites a man. It is a kind of delirium.
What's good porn for women? I'd recommend independent cinema which features unsimulated sex, such as in the film "Shortbus." While your run-of-the-mill porn sites clearly cater more to the desires of men, indie films bring more creative and intellectual depth to their stories that can keep a woman's sexual interest going strong. With "Shortbus," there were some really hot sexual sequences which kept the inner fires burning through even the non-sexual scenes. It goes beyond the visual stimulation straight to the kind of mental stimulation that women need more of for sexual arousal. I also can say that, thanks to "Shortbus," I'll never be able to hear the national anthem in quite the same way again. 😉
So many ignorant comments here. If your only method of preventing addiction to porn or prostitution is by demonizing and banning it, then you're the type of person to be addicted to something else, anyway!
And now incest (taboo) is advocated - strongly. Real or fake. Disloyalty is pushed strongly. So, yea. Advocate these are wrong. But, hey, that's where this mindset leads you.
Were there not the meaningless uttering of the ear wounding noises and endless repeating of the idiotic syntagmas from her mouth, this crap would have lasted only 3 minutes. Sick.
The oppositional arguments here read just like the New England statutes and customs of the Puritan era (A History of Matrimonial Institutions, George Howard). Like the Prohibition wave, some people cannot tolerate their neighbors, even their own children, engaging in what they deem lascivious behavior. Everyone seems to know what is vulgar and pornographic, but few are able to agree on what is, or is not when they see it. (Remember, the Puritans weren't exiled because of their right to freedom of religion, but because they kept trying to force the populace to live by their moral standard.) They attempt to stamp it out with strict moral and religious dogma, legislation, and every manner of demonstration and polemic. And characteristic of the Puritan-True Believer mentality, they seldom look at underlying causes, only symptoms, the implemented solutions are oppressive and destructive of social felicity to at least the same level as the debauchery they try to suppress. Nothing has changed in 10K years. The Sioux and other indigenous American people have a concept at the root of all their laws, customs, and practices: No man has the right to tell another what to do.
"Pornography opens a window into the animal reality of sexuality which current gender studies discourse tries to ban...sexuality is a primitve force that is coming from our animal nature and civilzation rose to contain this animal nature...The heat is in the violation of the taboo. All pornography contains social information." Her acceptance of porn is based on her libertarian stance, not that it is "good" for society, but it is up to society to examine this freely, and not up to governments to ban. It is a freedom of speech issue for her.
Hunter - this is called ''Illuminates by contrast'' what Porn does to taboo of culture . Paglia is a Libertine for sure .
Studies (there are many) actually support the idea when available sexual assaults and rapes decrease. Good example of how control can lead to the opposite of the intended result.
I don't think that's what she's entirely saying. I think libertarianism would be "tolerating pornography". She seems to be arguing about the integral nature of pornography in our culture, granted that there is some (cultural) structure to it (i.e: don't put up stuff in the Cochran or in front of kids hahaha). I don't think it's about being good or bad for society, it's how we integrate it into our culture and our personal lives as well.
lope-side libertarian-ism: crybullies demanding toleranace for porn in a porn-saturated world, while threatening to rape and silent a MINORITY who dare complain about the down side of pornification and degradation of females. when will we acknowledge dehumanization of women has become so vile and normalized, that we have elevated a mute nazi porn barbie into the highest office, and we would let a gun-crazy porn-playmate's unproven words destroy a sincere and productive pro-feminism senator. wake the f up america or suffer decline into trump-roy hell hole.
What Next prohibition never works unless the goal was more of the prohibited and chaos, violence and murder around it
If Camille and Ben Shapiro had a 50 min conversation, the transcript could be turned into a 300 page book.
This seems like a joke, but I'm certain it'll actually be the case in reality.
You should read and listen more. She may not be nice for your particular ear but shes a whirlwind of awesome woman-ness. Full of character and expression and very arty.
@strontiumXnitrate Absolutely, it just happens to be that she's a woman. She's great
@@lhn2370 she identifies as transgender.
@@stallonegodinho6296 I'm aware and there's nothing wrong with that. She doesn't buy into the narrative that sex and gender are completely disconnected though. Fascinating woman
I think she also misses the point that sexuality as primitive as it is, is also influenced by our own psychology, trauma, and experiences as children, and may turn out not so primitive but sadistic, masochistic, aggressive, and sometimes dangerous. And as pornography might support sex, it also supports all kinds of dangerous fantasies that people then might replicate and actually hurt others or themselves with...
Not to mention pornography also takes the joy out of real sex between partners and creates a whole set of obstacles that they would have to overcome.
I am not against her arguments I just think there are pros and cons to everything
Yes, though I love her, she does not confront the dark hellish depths of human sexuality : pedophilia, zoophilia, rape videos, snuff films, nails and needles hammered through flesh.
Excellent argument.
very true, girl that have been raped get involved with it, its a tacky occupation and i would not do it, nothing but trouble
Excellent argument, terrible angle
jordan peterson "roughly speakeing"
slavoj jijek "and so on and so forth"
camille paglia "okay? words okay"
Close, or rather JP’s is a Canadian “...eh?”
and so on and so on
I don't agree. Prostitution ends up facilitating human trafficking because of the acceptance of this existing market and the acceptance of supplying girls. It is a gateway of human trafficking, especially for young girls who come from distressed families.
Prostitution only facilitates this if it's not legalized and competently regulated by the government.
@@KarlSnarks You really think because it's legalized it will be regulated by the govm? You live in a dream world. Have you seen the people working at the government and how their processes are? The government is SLOW and will not be "regulating" this much at all.
@@KarlSnarks Making it illegal is the most efficient regulation.
Set the time to .75 to make Camille Paglia speak in normal tempo.
Haha try at 1.25
@@swipesomething I'm doing it, sounds just like her, but on coffee?
@@helenavlckova5199 Isn't she always on heavy caffeine?
Not bad, sounds a little drunk.
But that damn stutter, there is no setting for that😡
"Find what you love and let it kill you". - Charles Bukowski
Yes!
In Love is a Fire by Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee, there is a chapter on Love is annihilation of the self.
Yet each man kills the thing he loves. - Oscar Wilde
Had to screenshot
I support our men but hate porn and don't see it as a natural part of our sex lives.
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And you would be wrong porn is perfectly natural. Hell we find porn on cave walls. Porn is as natural as art.
Well it is pumpkin
@@mariaavalon3730 The fact that it's on cave walls makes porn no more natural than the fact it is was in magazines and is now on the internet. It just means it's old. Old doesn't mean good. Look at what we've left behind, how we've evolved. Look at the damage porn does to the brain.
Fantasy certainly is a natural part of our lives.
Once you hear how many “mkay”s there are, you start to wonder if she is the real Mrs Mackey
There is lots of evidence to suggest that porn not only demeans and degrades men and women (it reduces both to vulgar sex objects- they are no longer ends within themselves but means to an end; in other words they are instrumentalised) but it also damages the sexual relationships of the people who consume it. Its also addictive, which can't be a good thing. It makes one less free.
Bayreuth,
Sola Dosis Facit Venenum it's the dose which makes a thing a poison. That is true for drugs, water, gambling, religion, and almost everything else. Dimethyl Mercury is all kinds of bad.
bayreuth79 Did you even watch the video?
One flaw in your theory: demeaning and degrading people is so damn FUN! :D
Sure, but no one is responsible for their addiction except for the individual.
anything can be addictive asshat
Just because someone speaks with passion and sounds like they know what they're talking about doesn't actually make them smart. She doesn't think before she speaks - it's just pure emotion. BTW, Camille used to think that pedophilia was OK and even advocated for the legal age of consent to be moved down to 14. She even advocated that certain kinds of child pornography were OK. Only years later did she come to realize that it was a mistake and that children should be protected. What kind of person would think that was OK to begin with?
Someone who’s mind is so open that it’s fallen out!
She wants to capitalise everything including bodies and her disgusting words.
Christians have supported it for centuries by acting like it did not exist.
@ludakris6688no she is a libertaria,one qhos supported by fascist reich wingers
Someone who is not in their right mind due to some childhood trauma. No excuse, of course. I've heard her say she believes transgenderism is caused by a trauma in childhood. I wonder if she considers her other views, which are degenerate to my ears, are because of something that went wrong in childhood?
I mostly agree with her views however her ideals on the sex trade seems outdated. She should have a look at what is the current hot item in the sex world and I think she may change her mind. Depravity is sexy now n look at all the Lolita's running around, not your creepy uncle's mags from the 70's! Study's show that most people in the industry struggle with addiction and victim abuse issues. Or, in my opinion are so detached from their own sexuality, that to them filming it or selling it is akin to taking a dump...use YOUR own imagination to create intimacy, don't drink the Kool-Aid
@@MrWhiskeycricket The myth of the happy prostitute is exactly just that.. a MYTH!! Prostitution and pornography is damaging to all individuals..
@@MrWhiskeycricketIf you can't use common sense to see the myth, all emirical evidence are there to show you as well - I don't need to supply you with the data, when you have access to search engines and can do it yourself, and you yourself also only brought up anecdotes to support your claims.
Spare me with your political correctness, it doesn't work on me. The word "prostitution" is not derogatory in of itself.
And I don't agree that LIFE is damaging to all individuals!
Prostitution is rife with these problems precisely *because* it is illegal, and therefore, driven into the underground. Legalizing and regulating it is a solution.
@@lindahertel1365 Pornography is damaging to all individuals ... well that's a claim, one made with no evidence whatsoever. This claim, denies that there is a natural desire to consume and enjoy pornography which when enjoyed properly can be a healthy exercise. Any claim otherwise is one which denies basic humanity and would supplant individuals to a belief which would have individuals suppress otherwise perfectly healthy expressions. This is what would be damaging. Your backward, censorship view of human sexuality and desires is what is damaging.
Linda Hertel true!!
BTW, someone once asked Camille's opinion regarding women who gave in to sexual harassment at work as the only way to have a job. And she was shocked that any woman should stoop so low, as no woman in her family had ever done so, they would rather resign and seek some other job. They had more dignity than that, she said.
I'm glad that the women in her family had enough of a financial safety net that they never had to prostitute themselves just to pay the rent or have food to eat. But she did give herself away in that answer: she did reveal that as far as she's concerned prostitution is that thing that those sub-humans of that lower social class over there are doing, whereas nice respectable women like the ones in her family would rather starve than stoop so low!
No one agrees with prostitution including the pimps themselves. It's just that as long as it's happening to someone else instead of you it's fine. Non-disgusting human beings who are capable of empathy and compassion want everyone's children to live a dignified life, not just the ones in their own family. Camille Paglia doesn't live in a society, she's a predator. That's why she is also supportive of paedophilia (you can look it up).
She’s a strange woman and there are lies and dissemblance in her speech. I was utterly stunned by listening to her on one of JBP’s interviews.
My god, she would be so much easier to follow if she didn’t say “okay” every 3 seconds.
Its a filler word like "um". Verbal tivks ya dig? But yeah it gets distracting.
thats why i hate her
okay
I’m not so sure it’s a verbal tick. Because there are times when she looks at someone and then she’ll say right instead. I wonder if she is processing the thoughts so fast that she’s saying OK periodically based on the facial cues from the people to whom she speaking.
@@eronan03 yeah. i'm pretty sure she does it because she's aware that other people can't keep up with the speed at which she expresses herself
I’m one of those visual woman. We do exist. And I do wonder if females are brought up to hide their visual sexual interest. Difficult to know.
Lol r/notlikeothergirls
Nah it's biological, bro.
_"And I do wonder if females are brought up to hide their visual sexual interest."_
The claim that men are more sexually visual than women is pretty clear from a scientific standpoint. This stem from the fact that men evolved to be hunters while women evolved to be gatherers so men see a sexual target whereas women scan the landscape for men. Studies show that women have better peripheral vision. Men have much better spacial awareness (that's why so many boys play video games) whereas women have better spacial memory.
Statistically, the biggest psychometric difference between men and women is the interest for things versus interest for people. Men are more interested in things and women are more interested in people. That's why asocial and antisocial people tend to be men whereas women tend to be more social than men. That's also why women tend to choose professions like nursing or teaching (people oriented) whereas engineering and construction (thing oriented) are typical male occupations. This difference exists everywhere on Earth and is observed from birth. Sexually, it means that men are more likely to see women as sexual objects whereas women are more likely to see men as "success object". The former is visual, the latter is social.
@@BlunderCity you could send these chicks twenty+ references dictating how certain physiological changes in the brain/related structures between sexes influence gravely human behavior, but they'll still find a way to tell you that all of these things could be detrained through social engineering. To them, behavioral biology is a pseudoscience branch designed to control women.
😂😂
I actually had to come here because I was listening to a podcast she had with JBP, she denounced that she was in support of pornography and prostitution without even giving any reasons for that. She’s got some truly bizarre openness yet she is a social critic. And even listening to this particular speech? She honestly didn’t drive any point home, so much for being a Professor.
I work with computers, she has a point about the mental effect of working with computers.
Camille was turned away be the Starbucks barista;"lady you had enough already-OK"
Lol. Gotta love her though
Indeed. hahahaha
She needs Toastmasters
I think society needs to be reminded that sex is a beautiful thing. That it's not all abuse, power, diseases, violence and danger, but mostly pleasure, connection and love.
13:10 Tbh those women no longer stay as prostitutes as basically all women who go into that line of work were abused as children.
Many women do it because they love it as well.
Hmm. She looks at this view from a lofty academic standpoint, not from reality. She is also discussing sensuality in art and erotica, not pornography and prostitution per se.
Yes, she supports it in that it reveals the repressed desires people have, and thus the true distinctions between men and women, which disprove all the bullshit peddled by those in gender studies.
I think she's an important thinker, although I don't agree with everything she thinks. But I did mist up a bit when she talked about the heyday of the great fashion magazines...Irving Penn and Richard Avedon were true masters, who inspired me to become a fashion photographer. Alexey Brodovitch was the genius art director of Harper's Bazaar, and he was loved by his genius photographers for giving them one instruction before an assignment: "Astonish me!" So, to inspire me daily, for years, I've kept a card in my wallet that simply says: Astonish!
I grant Camille Paglia does recognize how a focus on the consequences of human behavior leads to a superficial intellectual understanding that rarely addresses the cause or change things. But because she is emotionally unstable and egoistic, she reacts instead of acts on this and ends up giving silly speeches that are intended to inflame rather than enlighten. This prevents her from digging down and revealing what her intuition is telling her and then articulating this in a way the rest of her academic peers (or society itself) can understand. Because I agree with her. She is correct. We can't "ban" things and expect they go away because this is ultimately a band-aid solution. It focuses on consequences of a dysfunctional behavioral perspective rather than understanding the underlying drivers of it. Other commenters may want to excuse their own addiction by claiming scientific research and all, but that is BS. Pornography and prostitution are harmful. It objectifies all who participate, dehumanizes them and decreases our emotional intimacy as humans. It reflects a dysfunctional expression of sexual behavior, not a unique expression of it. The latter is the same moral relativism those like Ms. Paglia push against in their constant critique of the postmodern view. We have to bring to light the underlying need for this and address that cause at the source instead of reacting and always creating externally focused "control measures". This only results in hiding the behavior, allowing it to become more extreme and darker as Paglia has pointed out more than once.
Please provide citations for your claims.
Paglia is an important voice of reason
A loud Italian I find that you provide less reasons to support your stance than Paglia does. “Porn is depravity” is just asserting what you believe, but you provide zero reasons to support your claim. As to the matter of prostitution I would agree that you have a valid point as long as we are considering specific circumstances, but it just doesn’t apply to the category of prostitution as a whole. First off, because it’s not by far an exclusive female activity, and second because there are instances when prostitution is indeed linked to slavery, involving many times kidnapping, captivity and forced sex (as Tyler Chamberlain pointed out), which is very different in my view from consenting adults coming to a financial agreement in exchange for sex, although, of course, there’s not always a clear line between these two.
@Loud Italian "you are worthless so here's money do it again tomorrow"
Sounds like any kind of employment taken out of necessity.
Ridiculous. Her concept of pornography is completely intellectual and nostalgic and not grounded in the reality that modern pornography is extremely damaging to male sexuality as well as corrupted by sex trafficking and prostitution. Camille has wonderful commentary about many things, but her view on porn and prostitution is limited by her view that these forces are merely something to marvel at from a distance, not how they actually affect people's lives.
Couldn't agree more.
Extremely damaging to male sexuality? Do you have any facts to back up that claim?
Pornography presents a distorted view of sex and chronic exposure to its stimuli produces effects in the brain that damage the arousal pathways, essentially making men impotent without it. Of course, this isn't the case with all men, but its effects have been studied and documented. It also alters the reward pathways in the same way that affects drug addicts to the point that porn addicts actually prefer their computer screens over real sex with another person.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/26/brain-scans-porn-addicts-sexual-tastes
fightthenewdrug.org/
I set playback speed to .75 and it was intolerably tedious. So out of curiosity I set playback to 1.25 and was amazed to discover the lecture was easier to follow!
1.5 masterrace ;)
@@KarlSnarks smokin crack
Ditto. Speeded up, even though she already talks fast, is easier.
If all humanities professors were even 1% like her, well....maybe Portland wouldn’t be in fire today
Thank you
She wrote in 1991: “I'm someone who is on the record as being pro-pornography--all the way through kiddie porn and snuff films. I'm pro-prostitution--I mean really pro, not just pro-prostitute and against prostitution. I'm pro-abortion, pro-homosexuality, pro-drag queens, pro-legalization of drugs.” So I doubt it would go well
@@idamay4590 what! Noooo not all those horrible things
@@PolishBehemoth yeah shes also said rly gross pro-p_do things, she's a predator for sure
She's a fraud. She can only convince very ignorant people.
After the war it was impossible for many people to get jobs in France and for a while they legalized prostitution and sex shows for men and women and those women in particular now not only had enough to support their families. Sexual crime went down and the pimps actually lobbied to get it illegal again because they could no longer control the women who now had protection at their work place. I have a good relationship with a family friend who is almost like my aunt who worked as just an escort for 5 years and she had to hire her own gangster because the police didn't help her when criminals threatened to kidnap her. She moved to a country which legalized sex therapy and now owns her own practice. She has studied psychology and now mainly works with handicapped people or those with a mental disorder, many which have an IQ under 90, and first teaches them to be comfortable sexual beings and that it's ok to be nervous but if it's paralyzing fear they will never have sex unless they learn to be comfortable in their own naked skin. Some are also just men who didn't have any luck finding a girlfriend or boyfriend during school and have become afraid of sex and women. And teaches them on how to be on a date. Now 99% of those clients are men, but women with various handicaps does become once a month clients.
She has 6 women and 2 guys who now works at her sex clinic, trained professionals and have said that since I am still a virgin in my late 20s, and only have 10-15 years left to live. She thinks I would benefit from having a talking session with each of the women, tell them how one of the side effect of my illness causes sexual problems, instead of being ashamed that I can't always function as a man. And that after talking to each she is sure I would feel comfortable enough with at least one of the women. The only reason I haven't travelled before is because while I understood why people would choose to use escorts, I really thought that I would just be a late bloomer but eventually I would find love. Its how I would like to lose my virginity and it still is, but after getting the diagnosis I have started to seriously consider if I will do it once we leave the country to visit her in september. I currently still don't want to do it and I would like it to be with someone I love. But I have decided that I will set up appointments to just talk since I feel like I need to have an honest conversation about how I don't feel like a man, and how the illness makes me so lonely. She has also said that I don't need to have sex, after I told her my biggest fantasy isn't really sex but I would like to experience what it's like to cuddle while watching my favorite movie. It's lame I know but not getting touched and lack of skin contact, it feels like I am starving for it. I had to keep myself from crying from joy the last time I got a hug from a nice woman. So I want to go in with an open mind but at the moment the farthest I want to go is only to be held and I want to have my first kiss.
People need to stop thinking these women and men are slaves just because they either have never had problems getting sex whenever they want, or view it as a sacred thing. It only matters how you feel about it for your own sexual life, judging others for how they feel about it and that you know better then them on how their sex life should be is the definition of slut shaming. Which feminists doesn't seem to understand.
Christian90z Bunke This is a very great and insightful comment. I'm so sorry about your diagnosis. I really hope you are doing okay and that you get what you are looking for. 🙏🏽❤️
Thank you for this comment. I hope that everything is going well for you!
Feeling a great need to be touched and cuddled isn't lame, and society is getting more aware of that fact now because of the whole pandemic. Hope you've found resolution to your insecurities around sex and intimacy in the two years since you wrote this comment, whether it's with the women from the clinic, or someone of your own.
Late 20s and you're expecting to die in ten years? Holy shit, have you gotten better?
@@lalar2755 There is nothing to can be done, I just happened to draw a short straw in life and that's okay. I'm not looking forward to it but at the same time when your normal is spending as much time at hospitals and clinics as I have. Having gone through some of the worst experiences that you can think of, you end up realizing that there are things in life that are worse than death. Just to be clear in a first-world context; I am completely aware that while things have sucked if I hadn't been born in the west I would either be dead already or wishing every day that I was if I didn't have the same access to the health care that my country, family and friends provides.
The only thing that I really do struggle with is quality of life, I would give up my remaining years if it meant that I could have an entire year where my body functioned like a normal person. True I wouldn't be able to settle down and live the kind of life that I really want which is the most vanilla thing of finding someone who wants to spend the rest of their lives with me and creating a family. It would be cruel of me to do that now let alone if I only had a year. But I would have the ability to go around and see the world I'm leaving behind (if we weren't living in a pandemic of course), have some experiences that most people have before their 20, both good and bad cause I can tell you right now. As long as we aren't talking about something that would hurt another person, it's always better to regret doing something than it is to regret that you didn't do it.
If you have someone in your life that you truly care about, be honest and say you don't expect nothing back from them but you need to tell them the truth of how you feel because you can't live with the regret, and you need to know for sure to be able to move on. Now obviously we all want to live in harmony wit people so if you waited so long that the person you care about is either in a long loving relationship or is married and maybe have kids. You shouldn't put your shit on them just so that you can feel better, that will also just destroy your friendship. But if it's an appropriate moment don't ever hold back because you fear rejection, getting rejected is nowhere near as bad as feeling like you didn't take the shot at experiencing happiness. Even if it doesn't last forever, or the only good thing about it is the beginning, atleast you got to feel something good and you can use the bad to adjust for the next time something good comes along.
I'm tired of people (usually women) saying that women are objectified. The truth is that women are complicit in their own objectification. Nobody forces them to pose nude, dress provocatively, work as exotic dancers, etc. If this bothers you then the most you can say is "we have met the enemy and it is us."
Wise words I heard: porn wouldn't exist if women kept their panties on
What a load of crap.. Society has conditioned women for centuries to be objects..
And human trafficking is intertwined with pornography and prostitution. Instead of stating uneducated opinions, you should research this and see exactly how much FORCE are being used, so stop your delusions..
This woman just rambles and never gets to the point.
She is paid by prostitution industry and pornography industry. She talks to ruin young generation minds to be worse generation.
I wish she could have been more specific. There is light pornography there is taboo pornography and then there is downright evil pornography which I'm sure she does not stand for and definitely would not call art.
Pretty much everyone agrees there are lines but people really do not agree on where those lines are, especially across cultures and time. I mean, almost no-one thinks porn with children is acceptable, but what age is OK? 18? 16? 21? What if different countries don't agree? What about people who happen to look younger than the cutoff point? Or who lie about their age? What if the rules change - how does that affect porn already in existence? Should art have to follow the same rules? What about art from different cultures and centuries ago? And who gets to decide?
@@jrd33 doesn’t she support pedophila though?
@@Kakashigirl250 I don't know. Do you mean she thinks sex with children should be legal or do you mean she thinks artistic depictions of sex with children are OK? Big difference. Or are you talking about the medical/psychological condition itself?
@@jrd33 I am still researching this about her, but from what I've read she's directly quoted in her book "Sexual Personae" that she supports "man/boy love" and that the ancient Romans were right. There is even a man/boy love that quotes her on their website. I dont have a copy of her book but it doesnt seem like her words were taken out of context.
@@Kakashigirl250 Yes, she seems to be in favour of abolition of the age of consent and relaxation on pornography laws (or at least, she used to think this way. I don't know if she still does). From what I've read, she does seem to be taking a radical ideological position on the subject based on her studies of historical art and culture. I don't think she's actually campaigning for any change to the law, though, she's just voicing her own opinion and consequences be damned.
She is in "despair" about the "cluttered look" of fashion magazines. Enough said.
What is she on? I want some of that caffeine, okay. also anyone notice she talks like Quentin Tarantino, okay? Okay, anyone notice this, okay? Otherwise, she great, okay?
I love her energy and her intellect. An amazing person…
If you wanna predict society in 10 years look at where pornography is today
You could make a porno in an artful way, however my guess is that most if not all modern porno is degrading and demeaning.
It's actually really easy to find tons of porn that's neither degrading nor demeaning... unless you think having sex on camera in the first place is inherently degrading and demeaning.
Porn is prostitution. I'm neither condemning nor celebrating those who participate or partake, but we owe it to ourselves to be honest about our terminology here, and not rationalise away the reality of pornography in the way that the otherwise brilliant and insightful Paglia does. Porn is self-evidently not art in the way that Mozart is art, or Botticelli's "Birth of Venus' is art - so Paglia really needs to define and refine her terms if she is not to make herself sound foolish here (and I speak as someone who really admires the lady). Even the word 'Pornography' can be traced etymologically through Greek and Latin to the meaning 'depiction of a prostitute'. (porne - prostitute; graphein - depict, describe).
Fact: if you work in porn as an 'actress' you are a prostitute; if you work behind the scenes as an agent, manager, film crew, etc, you are a sort of pimp (enabler), earning secondary money from the prostitute's primary activity; if you watch porn, you are a punter. So the question here is really not 'is porn art? or 'does porn empower women or degrade them?' - it is - how do we moderns feel about the time-(dis)honoured role of the prostitute? Of selling the sexual act (or a version of it) for money?
Self-evidently, prostitution in some form or other is an existential fact of human history, it may never have done women or men much good, but it's here to stay, so how do we deal with it? Other questions follow in train. If we accept a level of prostitution, how do we regulate it? Should prostitution ever be allowed to become this accessible? If not, why not? Or should it be banned? CAN it be banned? What happens IF we ban it? Does that bring problems? Do we have the right to ban adults from doing what they want with their sexuality? (even violent porn, which, like S & M sexuality, I'm happy to say - call me old-fashioned! - remains an abhorrent mystery to me).
Interestingly, Shakespeare deals with this whole area in the so-called 'problem play' - Measure for Measure, where the city of Vienna has gone to pot (no pun intended) through excessive indulgence in sex and vice. Shakespeare tries to get to grips with some answers. See if you agree.
I have personally felt for some time that we are barking up the wrong (puritan) tree in seeking to ban porn. I see our current consumer society as subjecting men and women to such high levels of alienation, such brutalist environments, such relentless treadmills of money-earning and spending that sexuality is bound to be their first recourse as a means of compensation! Masturbation always lies so close to hand! Men - whose access to sexual gratification is more visual - get home and think 'get me access to pleasure I can control at the press of a button! and get me it now!' So until and unless culture provides avenues for more meaningful lives, more accessible modes of self-expression; until it gives people the chance to find real value to their existence, then, of course, sex and porn (and drugs and rock'n'roll, etc) will assume disproportionate importance in their lives. Man's energy will out! Sex, as an expression of that vigour, is vital, beautiful, pleasurable - but it ain't everything! Whereas we're currently encouraged to believe that sex is, indeed, all there is! As a poet, I am of the conviction that we need to complement our delight in sex with an ecstatic enjoyment of the arts, of fellowship, of the creative pursuit of shared ideals across the whole spectrum of human endeavour! Conversely, just to ban the compensatory pleasure of sex, however debased it's become, would be to punish men into a kind of dangerous reactivity. By the way, may I also thank the other posters for their many insightful and revealing comments on this fascinating thread.
A saucy seaside postcard or a comic book is not art in the way Botticelli is, but it is still art. I can't see how porn fails to be art in a world which calls performance art and a urinal signed by Duchamp art.
Madness 1.0 sorry it’s not clear which side of the debate you’re on. Can you clarify?
Madness 1.0 Ha! I see! Sorry, was being a bit dim - been a long day!
this is 2017 with post-miley post-minaj mtv on prime time. sleaze is so normalized, why the need to legitmize porn or sex workers, or any work you don't want your younger sisters or daughters to do? yes i know the answer. you want to sell your kids or buy your groin gratification without shame, and as roy moore would say, "i never do anything without their mother's permission".
Points taken. Well it's a tragically confused old world out there! All I would say is that there is a degree of hypocrisy involved in all transgressive behaviour. Sexual 'transgression' is not unique. No doubt, we all occasionally do, say, think, feel things we wouldn't want our kids to repeat. Added to which mainstream porn's prostitutes are not children. Though not wholly aware of the consequences of their actions, they are aware sex work carries a social stigma and somehow impacts on their own self-esteem. I personally don't want to shame prostitutes or those who employ their services. I'm a fatalist. Life is a devil's bargain. And we all have to pay the devil our own debt eventually.
I would have LOVED Paglia as an art tutor. Reminds me of my art tutor tbh, it’s really uncanny!
It's probably passion for the subject, combined with high levels of divergent thinking (the kind of thinking that creative, chaotic people tend to do)
i am more inclined to understand her sentiment here if it in some way accelerationist. in my book pornography dumbs down human imagination, not the opposite, and that doesn't come from an inherently moralist stance either, which is just one of many "downsides" to it
At .5 speed you can actually mentally digest what Camille says. Plus I notice, sometimes she does not even slow down to pronounce words
You simply cannot compare pornography and prostitution to art. The former are only popular because of innate appeal, whereas the latter is popular because of aesthetic appeal.
Have you ever been to a (more modern) art gallery? I'm sure if I give you some porn pictures and some art pictures you would not be able to distinguish which one is which.
@@MrMartinNeumann Yes, and that just shows how depraved the world has become.
@@lindahertel1365 Youre too funny
Right, porn and prostitution have no relation to art ... and art has no relation to pornography or prostitution. This is a claim, but not one which holds any merit.
@@bcshu2 Who made that claim?
Helpful Tip: set your playback speed to 0.75x if you have difficulty following Ms. Paglia.
Interesting to read negative comments. She is extremely well read, researched, and experienced. One may disagree with her, one may not understand her contextual references, yet she is not ignorant nor authoritarian
This is not black/white issue. I don’t see how anyone can actually take a stance one way or the other when it comes to porn because it totally depends on what porn you’re talking about...who was involved, were they consenting adults, what’s the content of the fantasy? were they paid? All of these things make a difference.
Prostitution was the key factor on empowering women in the "Wild West" during the whole cowboys eras, and it was a big factor in the economy of that region in that era.
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i love what she has to say but lol at 1:36 in and my chest is tightening with anxiety, her pace of speech and body language are like a witness recounting a horrendous murder, i can't take it right now
This is what happens when you give Alvin the chipmunk coffee, laced with amphetamemes.
7:50 "Pornography occupies the realm of imagination (...) that art does. And it deserves the same (...) respect as art." ❣❕
Porn causes Erectile dysfunction in young men but her point i guess is different. Prostitution on the other hand should be legal and it will help society.
She left out one all-important fact: MILF porn is the best porn!
I wonder if she will ever conquer the "okay" tick. She's getting better, but still has a long way to go.
I actually like it. I actually look forward to it.
pornography and prostitution are at odds with a healthy family. A father and mother raising children which society must have
“To others, the universe seems decent because decent people have gelded eyes. That is why they fear lewdness. They are never frightened by the crowing of a rooster or when strolling under a starry heaven. In general, people savor the "pleasures of the flesh" only on condition that they be insipid.
But as of then, no doubt existed for me: I did not care for what is known as "pleasures of the flesh" because they really are insipid; I cared only for what is classified as "dirty." On the other hand, I was not even satisfied with the usual debauchery, because the only thing it dirties is debauchery itself, while, in some way or other, anything sublime and perfectly pure is left intact by it. My kind of debauchery soils not only my body and my thoughts, but also anything I may conceive in its course, that is to say, the vast starry universe, which merely serves as a backdrop.”
― Georges Bataille, Story of the Eye
Stone-cold genius. Fascinating on the history of American culture. Wow! She remembers so much.
9:26 i told this to a feminist and she said i was being sexist and that women love to objectify men visually
Some definitely do...
@@fieryalbino But way more definitely don’t. Ask women living on the outskirts of Dakar whether they like to objectify men sexually. And the women on this planet who live closer to that kind of reality outnumber those whose condition resembles upper class college educated women living in San Francisco by literally 100 to 1. The blurring of gender lines is silly sophistry and flies in the face of all apparent evidence. There are clear differences between men and women in the way they view sex and sexuality. But today shallow intellectuals like to tout contrarian theories about everything because being contrarian for its own sake is seen to hold greater currency in academic circles. Why build incrementally on top of established wisdom and scholarship when you can upend everything and declare yourself the new high priest of a new paradigm? Way more money, fame and glory in the new racket.
@@mensrea1251 not sure what you're trying to say, but I'm just speaking based on personal experience >.>
I do love her genius, she seems like a very kind person,great ideas
Cave brother painting in bold strokes with the blood from the last hard worn kill. On the walls is the image of the most gloriously beautiful woman he has seen. In that moment he is both excited and alive.
You can almost see the thoughts struggling to get out her mouth. Lol. Loved listening to her.
CAMILLE IS LIFE!
In general business class we were taught to connect with the customer in emotional manners.One of those ways with much emphasis on was sexual.That was in the 11th grade.I'm not a pschycologist but we are pushed towards thinking these things.Why
Maybe because it is true.
To the people commenting on her speed of speech, if your brain cannot keep up with her presentation of ideas, might I suggest Doctor Seuss
Basically: "I support prostitution, and I adore prostitutes. It should be legal and rampant, and prostitutes should have the freedom to operate wherever they want... except for: *INSERT LONG LIST OF ARBITRARY PLACES/SITUATIONS WHERE PROSTITUTION WOULD BE EXTREMELY PROBLEMATIC" Ridiculous. There is nothing honorable about sex work.
I always end my hearing her talks with thinking she makes vague insights into the obvious.
Maybe. But on second reflection we realize that there is no one in the culture saying this weird shtt. Saying that porn is a true glimpse into roiling animal energies, and should be honored like art is? Never heard that one before.
And endlessly. There are more run on sentences in this thing than I can count. I have been criticized for the same thing online but I at least always hit my point.
I'm almost to the point of contemplating a new profession. I hate just getting by. 😔
Sorry you are having a hard time.
level up and get you a rich old guy, dont do sex work hun, its not worth it
Me too....I know the feeling.....of being poor all the time.
Unsubscribed.
What if your daughter-mother-sister-husband or wife ....is into the practice of this very impersonal yukki loveless porn and prostitution business ?...
An adult should be able to do what they want with their life. If my daughter's or sister's manipulative boyfriend forced them into it, I would reason with them but if it's their personal decision I would want this industry to be regulated in a way that affords them labour rights, protection and good compensation. Whether you find it subjective or yucky is your own subjective opinion.
Love Camille. True Genius! Magnificent, Stratospheric mind.
My cousins were Playboy Bunnies. They were attractive working class women earning good money using their attributes. Most of the objectors to that are uptight middle-class women.
I prefer Carl Jung ,but if prostitution would be legal, it would be much safer for those who does it and I don't underatand that legal ,illegal thing. Where is point to make these thing illegal? Even if that will become legal, it's dangerous profession. Seems like she's trying to integrate those things in our society. I think we should care about each othere and society would be better place if we would accept what already exists, not to deny. It's like shadow work for us.
This is awful to try to listen to. Did she just shoot up speed! It's changed, feminist's now love porn, Cosmo, vogue. This is a social critic. No not interested in her oppinion.
so Camille i love you but why would you want pornography that demeans men and women, on this topic you failed to convince me, there is no good in prostitution or porn, they are destructive forces
What demeans is entirely subjective. Porn enriches my life.
It failed to convince you? Who cares. Honey, no one respects your take on things when you can't even be bothered to capitalize your own name, it gives you more dignity and heft and standing. Emily Schwellenbach, much nicer I think.
emily schwellenbach LOL. You protest both absolutely and with maliciously destructive force, all in the name of preserving humanity. But you fail. Your Postmodern feminist position is infantilizing and fascist. First of all, you can't speak for everyone. You are, despite your delusional state of mind, an individual, and you are an autonomous being, not a cell in a collective. Secondly, you deny the animal and creative and destructive instincts which exist in all humans. The fact that pornography offends your sensibilities and sensitivities is evidence of what Professor Paglia speaks of when she mentioned the taboos contained in ponography. Thirdly, denial of, and suppression of representations of sexuality, that both men and women actually enjoy ponography is statically demonstrated, and that psychological evidence supports the health benefits of viewing ponography all prove that suppression of pornographic images does more harm than good. So, please, save it for someone else
sorry to read the generally disrespectful answers to your post. However as Paglia says she neither watches nor subscribes to pornography but the truth of the force behind these realities - prostitution and pornography - are here and undeniable and saying there is no good in them is embarrassing and useless. How do you know?
Destruciive forces? Do you mean kinda like the human race?
RIP Patrice O'neal
I think both should be legal.... but I do not support them
As long as the pornography is between Consenting Adults.Yeah, prostitution should be more legal, I Pretty much agree.(with Some rules).
her most popular talks on youtube don't quite paint the picture of her as a genius that I was told she is. Might still read her book sexual personae due to recommendation but this take seems to have horrible implications in practice and neglects the realities of trafficking and consent/agency (or lackthereof) when money is tight. I'm sure she is a great thinker by her process but the conclusions show the privileges she herself has, ones she often points out in other women to back up her claims against their ideology.
her mind is an achievement of mankind
She's a long time supporter of man/boy sexual love/contact.
NAMBLA. okay?
Fact is, women are on both sides of the pornographic camera. Who was the key photographer for "Hustler" magazine...a woman.
What a slippery slope this is...😳 everywhere you look these days you find evidence of retrograde. It’s like individuals everywhere who should know better are having their screws loosens behind their back...while they’re not looking. It’s very concerning. ...Easy to see why societies crumble into inhuman conditions and then disappear.
She is so right and her own theories are very consistent: she supports pornography because she respects the animal part in human nature and the physical gender differences. I don't understand why most of the comments here don't get it.
Bcs that is not all there is to it & we all know it already. Thru the entire history of civilization, pornography has ALWAYS been a/us. It has always been our choice as a community as to where we draw the line. The line has changed w/how society changes. We do it, we decide to sign on w/it or not, as payment for belonging & being on the inside. You can't do away w/that. You may not like it, but you always need to choose. You may go against the grain but there'll be a price to pay. This,too, is part of honest animal urges or instincts. Just bcs you like pork dies not make it rt. Just bcs you choose not to doesn't always mean it's wrong. It's like that judge sitting on the pornography case pronounced it : "I know it when I see it...".
I don't understand this 'respect' for our animal nature. Awareness that it might be apparent at times, yes, but respect? We've evolved so much from our primitive days. Why must we respect some of our unevolved traits and not others. It seems it depends on whether they are capable of giving pleasure or not. I guess we wouldn't be so interested in reverting to hunter-gathering or dying from a cold winter.
R.I.P. the OLD Penthouse magazine.......the quality of Penthouse dropped like a rock by the early 2000's...😥
It's safe to say she has no idea what she's standing up for.
I like Camille's views on transgenderism but am disappointed with this. We've evolved from our primitive days. Does she feel we should rekindle our other ways of being animalistic? Hunter-gathering? Building fires to keep warm, or die? Porn and prostitution are degenerate.
Porn alters our brains, it ruins the ability to bond and enjoy intimacy, therefore ruining relationships, and in turn family life, and in turn children. Teenagers who view it grow up not knowing what loving sex is.
Prostitution is often a 'career' for abused, traumatised women. How sad that there's a way they can retraumatise themselves every day at 'work'. How sad they're not learning any other skills they can improve their confidence with, pass on to their children one day, and contribute to society with. No, they just got f**ked day after day. How sad that it's used by people with mental health issues and attachment disorders and comes between men and their wives/girlfriends.
I'm surprised about her views on this, considering she views the transgenderism issue as part of a debauched and collapsing society. And I wonder if her own childhood trauma is responsible for her views on porn and prostitution, as she has stated it is with her own transgender status.
I feel pornography is distracting and gross. That doesn’t make it wrong. It’s reception needs to be concerned with, and there needs to be honesty of its use and it’s relevance. More needs to be understood about sexual desire and it’s weaving into a healthy, stable, democratic society, and as relevant, it’s religious connections. Eve was naked when she invited Adam to have sex. From the beginning, a woman invites a man to have sex. It was a man listening to a woman over God that was the problem. When a man puts a woman in control in this way, and destroys health and working well together, the very thing God wanted them to focus on, he commits a sin. Adam knew better than to just engage in sex, but he denied his own self-control and in doing that denied God. God did not create this animal energy in men; this isn’t how men are created by such a Creator. An imagined discourse between a woman and a serpent, a surreal and unnatural experience, compels him. Just because it looks good does not mean a man will automatically partake because of how he is created. A woman never invites a man. It is a kind of delirium.
So much primitivism as if the animal is to be saved from humans instead of the rescuing of humans from animals.
Brilliant and well reasoned.
Keep these things. Just keep them private.
What's good porn for women? I'd recommend independent cinema which features unsimulated sex, such as in the film "Shortbus." While your run-of-the-mill porn sites clearly cater more to the desires of men, indie films bring more creative and intellectual depth to their stories that can keep a woman's sexual interest going strong. With "Shortbus," there were some really hot sexual sequences which kept the inner fires burning through even the non-sexual scenes. It goes beyond the visual stimulation straight to the kind of mental stimulation that women need more of for sexual arousal. I also can say that, thanks to "Shortbus," I'll never be able to hear the national anthem in quite the same way again. 😉
Take a shot every time you read the word Shortbus and a bonus shot for each set of inverted commas. :)
“Ok? Ok? Right? Ok? Uh k? Uh k? Oh k? Ok? You know? Ok? Ok? Ok? Ok?” Jesus this can be annoying...
Not good. I usually agree with her, but pornography is degenerate poison.
So many ignorant comments here. If your only method of preventing addiction to porn or prostitution is by demonizing and banning it, then you're the type of person to be addicted to something else, anyway!
And now incest (taboo) is advocated - strongly. Real or fake. Disloyalty is pushed strongly. So, yea. Advocate these are wrong. But, hey, that's where this mindset leads you.
as an artist/ designer
im in love
PREACH
Were there not the meaningless uttering of the ear wounding noises and endless repeating of the idiotic syntagmas from her mouth, this crap would have lasted only 3 minutes. Sick.
What’s the intro music? It’s cool....and so is she. 😎
SHOW US YOUR KNIFE, CAMILLE!! 😁
After all this Brandi love still looks great
Pro sex feminist...thats a good term.
Sick. She's very smart. And she is correct in some ways. But she needs Jesus.
had to play it at 0.75
The oppositional arguments here read just like the New England statutes and customs of the Puritan era (A History of Matrimonial Institutions, George Howard). Like the Prohibition wave, some people cannot tolerate their neighbors, even their own children, engaging in what they deem lascivious behavior. Everyone seems to know what is vulgar and pornographic, but few are able to agree on what is, or is not when they see it. (Remember, the Puritans weren't exiled because of their right to freedom of religion, but because they kept trying to force the populace to live by their moral standard.) They attempt to stamp it out with strict moral and religious dogma, legislation, and every manner of demonstration and polemic. And characteristic of the Puritan-True Believer mentality, they seldom look at underlying causes, only symptoms, the implemented solutions are oppressive and destructive of social felicity to at least the same level as the debauchery they try to suppress. Nothing has changed in 10K years.
The Sioux and other indigenous American people have a concept at the root of all their laws, customs, and practices: No man has the right to tell another what to do.
svartvist the Sioux Indians had no problem telling other tribes what to do and killing them, good people o emulate
How'd that Sioux culture turn out? Dipshit