Well, when they first enter the ship, yes, but then she's fine very shortly thereafter. You can clearly hear Mother's voice and see her affecting things in several sequences after David entered the Covenant and before he assumes control of the ship. Tennessee says that the computer needs to recover, you're right there, but then it does, and we see it happen, and we hear Mother talking while David is inside the ship. As soon as she reboots at 8 bells, she should be like "Wait a minute, this isn't the right robot." A better explanation is that David's "father" gave him a special override code that still works on Weyland Industries computer systems ten years after Weyland's death, and even that is incredibly threadbare. Or, put Mother aside, if modern (in the time in which Covenant takes place) robots can repair surface damage, how come no one asks about the facial injury? Daniels even helps him staple himself up, how come she never asks him why his on-board systems aren't taking care of that for him? Plot holes as far as the eye can see.
Brian Sfinas Yeah, didn't notice that. The only excuse would be if David was the one fixing mother. Well, the movie make THE SAME mistakes that Prometheus had made. Disappointed but not surprised.
The movie wouldn't make such a mistake it's called subtleties, David sent a signal or the computer identified David on the surface and shut down and restarted in a specialized operating mode
What would scientist man say about alien? The whole gag is that he does stupidly overly complex plots, the plot of alien was more or less oh shit this alien is killing everyone.
Yeah, he did the Terminator movies, but those bad decisions are the producers', and not the characters in the movies as much. Skynet makes more dumb decisions than the human characters do. Those timelines are legitimately complicated enough to need unraveling.
The house of Chaos But the xenomorph isn't the strongest organism. It's extremely reliant on having the perfect conditions for breeding and evolving. It needs a healthy host who will stick his head into an egg and then live for a few days to let the xenomorph grow. The spore aliens just need someone to sniff the black goo and a few hours to grow from nothing. Still, both species fail at providing longterm progeny and becoming part of the food chain without destroying it in a very short time, so they both fail at Darwinism.
Honestly if someone just gave David the blu ray steelbook of Lawrence of Arabia he'd probably just drop everything and sit and watch that for two years straight all over again.
The worst thing for me is the ending, where she immediately knows it's David and not Walter based off the cabin thing. She then acts like she had suspicions, but the movie never shows us that anyone is suspicious of him........ever! And how does Mother not know David isn't Walter either? I thought Mother would alert the crew but I guess she didn't fucking care.
but if the face huggers were less evolved in this film, why did they impregnate people FASTER then the original, more evolved facehugger from the first movie. Like christ did Ridley even watch his own movie.
Ridley Scott going back to Alien is like Leonardo Devinci deciding that, after thirty years, the Mona Lisa could be improved by giving her a big moustache
2 subs depends on why you would consider something good. I personally like when a franchise trancends its medium. However by its nature a franchise like that just isnt going to be popular
Here's how I think it went down: Ridley: I JUST WANT TO MAKE MY BIG EPIC THESIS ON DEATH AND CREATION. [points to John Logan, et al] Ridley: YOU. YOU FIGURE OUT HOW DAVID GOES FROM HEAD IN A DUFFLE BAG TO SUPREME BAD GUY. [John, et al go and crack open a used copy of Star Trek TNG Season 1, try and write scenarios, give up after 30 minutes, and just crib the plot to 'Datalore']
No question about how the super advanced alien species got entirely wiped out by one android using tech that's over 2000 years old? It's like if a caveman time travelled to the Roman Empire, grabbed some gear, then time travelled again to now and took down the United States military with his fucking chariot and gladius that he just discovered. brb writing screenplay
lol! Yeah people just overlook all the years separating these events. The weapons lab went down 2000 years ago so that ship would have been horrendously outdated unless this advanced race inexplicably went backwards despite having been an advanced species for presumably millions of years. Dumb! Dumb! Dumb!
You know there's bacteria in the arctic ice that are incredibly dangerous, so once the ice melts we'd get to experience the consequences. Doesn't matter that they've been dormant for thousands of years if we haven't been worried about them.
And why did none of the Engineers say, "hey look, it's one of our biological warfare ships from 2,000 years ago that's not responding to our hails and has no life forms aboard. Let's let it land."
Where does the engineer ship on LV426 that the crew of the Nostromo found tie into this? Does David at some point make contact with the engineers to sell them a bunch of his Uncle David's Homemad Xenomorph Eggs? The events of this prequel arc and the original movies don't tie up. Don't tell me they're going to do another one of these movies? Just take this franchise round the back of the shed and put it out of its misery fam.
if david goes to infect the whole planet of earth on next movie, that would be kind of neat visually. that would also be canon, whole earth did get infected with aliens in the comics in the big war. humanity lost.
@@Redmanticore that didn't happen until sometime between Alien 3 and Resurrection. The fall of Earth is chronicled in a few comics and the arcade game Aliens Armageddon.
When I first saw David with the long hair, my mind honestly went to, "oh he took Shaw's hair and attached it to his head....wait, what?" That's how stupid this movie made me. I was more interested in why an android could grow hair than the rest of the plot.
Yeah I mean, why would they have their own cultural tastes? It's not like there are cultures on earth with actual technology that wear what amounts to sacks now.
They weren't in one city on one planet. For fucks sake. It's explicitly explained that *all animal life on Paradise is dead.* It wouldn't matter how many cities there were, the neomorphs and spores created by Davids black goo bombing of one city spread over the entire planet and purged all non plant based life on it, down to insects.
Where does David get all his science equipment? Did David go back to the Prometheus planet to go pick it up? If the Engineers were 10 feet tall, why was all the furniture in David's laboratory made for a human? Did David have a wood working shop? Where did David get all the paper he was writing on? Where did he get his pens/pencils? Where did he get that feather pen in his human sized laboratory? Were there birds on Engineer Planet? Did all the birds turn into birthing machines for various xenomorph prototypes after he dropped the black goo bombs on the public and made a bio virus that somehow replicates across the planet and squirts out onto everything/anything biological? The planet would be crawling with them (the prototype xenomorphs). When you get a tour of David's laboratory, you see a bust of a humanoid. Where did David get this body? David also shows captain man some failed prototypes. Who did David experiment on? Shaw would be only good for one experiment, and David apparently killed every Engineer, so how were they made? With what were the Alien eggs made out of? Did he synthesize them out of stuff hanging around in the Engineer's closets? Wouldn't the rain of black goo ruin that? Why did Ridley Scott decide to dump everything from Prometheus and decide to make a d-list monster movie?
I agree with everything you said. I personally liked Prometheus because it had potential and I hoped dearly the second movie would expand and actually make use of the set up. So disappointed.
Why did the chest-burster hatchling look like a little tiny version of an alien? Instead of the way that it looked before? It came out of the same-looking egg and grew up to be the same-looking Rich Evans.
You get like, time vertigo if you think back to the part of your life spanning between your 13th and 18th birthday and then think that's how long it's been since Prometheus came out.
Why did the colony vessel have only one landing craft? It couldn't fly in atmosphere and they had to get those colonists down somehow. How did the lady who wandered off to wash her wounds manage to scream after being decapitated? How did David get his body back? He was a head at the end of Prometheus and it seems unlikely that the alien spaceship would have the tools required to rebuild him. Why did the Covenant recognise David at the end of the film? There's no reason that it should be programmed to accept orders from anyone who is not a member of the crew, but it obeys him and refers to him by name. You could really do this all day. May as well save yourself that day by calling this film a squalid toilet fire and moving on.
The worst part is that all this could have been fixed and patched up by a single attentive fan of the Alien universe. Or just someone with common said that watched the previous movie and paid attention.
some People believe they were not Engineers but a Humanoid race created by the Engineers.. another Theory suggests that they were a different kind of Engineers.. more "monk-like" and less Tech oriented
All these complaints and not my biggest one: how did David in less than a minute, perfectly replicate Walter's appearance? This would involve dyeing and cutting his hair, healing many of his facial wounds (mainly the stab wound under his chin which Danny would remember) and giving himself the same wounds as Walter, swapping uniforms, and burning off his left hand. That's a busy minute! Sure was also convinient that the alien embryo he had swallowed (presumably he planned to be captured and engineered this long in advance) neatly slotted into the spaces on the covenant. It would suck if they were slightly too big to fit conveniently.
Yeah it's not like he had regrowth at his roots and robots are totally always slower than people so it's not like he might be exceptionally good at it- Oh. Well sure, he'd need to replicate the wounds walter had, it's not like no one saw the fights that resulted in the injuries apart from the severed hand which is easy enough and it's not like androids don't bleed- Oh. I mean it totally took a minute though, it's not like movies use cuts with time happening between them- Oh. it's not like Weyland Yutani is a company that would have an interest in things being standardized shapes, or that it'd be common practice for medical equiptment to be standardized like in the modern world- Oh. But I'm totally sure you paid attention to the movie.
If David overwrote Walter's mind with his own, I figured he'd benefit from Walter's healing ability, and thus no staples required for his facial wound. The lack of chin wound may have been some overlooked continuity error. The only missing piece here is David's voice was slightly damaged in his fight with Walter, yet it was perfectly fine later. However if he had mind-swiped with Walter, he'd have had no time to run to his lab and swallow some encapsulated facehuggers. I hope the DVD answers some things. Lope included: I figured Lope was impregnated by David using another smuggled specimen. He barely wore the facehugger long enough.
RIDLEY SCOTT is the new GEORGE LUCAS. FUCKING UP HIS OWN FRANCHISE BY CREATING AN INCOHERENT MESS. Should have left it alone dude,... should have left it alone.
Except the Alien franchise was never really his. The original Alien movie was mostly Dan O'Bannon's vision. He wrote the screenplay with some rewrites done by other people. It was also O'Bannon's idea to get Giger to design the alien. Scott was hired to direct and he did an excellent job with it but it was really just a job, but Alien wasn't an "auteur film" it was a studio film that was great because it happened to have a great crew working on it and, to be honest, because of a few happy accidents. Scott now seems to have gotten it in his head that he is the single visionary behind the Alien series and now this arrogance is ruing it.
+sergeantshroom Agreed. Sure, Ridley Scott has Blade Runner and Alien on is resume, but he hasn't really done a single other thing worth a damn. I think he just got lucky with Alien and Blade Runner because in truth, most of his movies aren't very good.
Fuck that shit opinion. Not even Lucas fucked up the canon as bad as Ridley fucked the Alien canon. Lucas only tried to explain why the Force was stronger with some and not others (midiclorean count). Nothing else we saw in the prequels fucked up what was in the OT. Nothing in the prequels damaged or destroyed what we saw in the OT. Meanwhile, Ridley Scott's Alien Covenant goes out of its fucking way to destroy the myth of the xenomorph. Making it impossible to watch covenant and then watching '77 Alien without noticing all the fucking contradictions. So fuck you for saying Ridley is the new Lucas. When in reality, Ridley went well and beyond what Lucas did wrong in the prequels. No comparison at all. Fuck you, bitch. Ridley effectively has destroyed the Alien franchise. It will be hard for anyone to care for it anymore. While people have always had faith in Star Wars. Prequels made more money than your entire fucking ape-like family tree will ever make in an eternity
I think Ridley Scott unfortunately shares a problem with George Lucas. He's no longer surrounded by people who can help him give all his ideas second thoughts (or outright tell him some of the ideas are stupid). Also, if you're going to fix the problems of the previous entry, totally ignoring them and pretending they never happened are not actually fixing them. That's just lazy and stupid.
Yeah but Ridley Scott has the excuse of being half in the grave. He understood his own movies and the universe at one poiny. George Lucas NEVER understood the Star Wars universe. The others who helped on the script and movie did. I wish George Lucas divorced his then wife and then pulled a Hemingway after the original trilogy. Then we would be better off. If he left it to the open domain that would of been hilarious.
they cut out a scene where david explains he didn't create the xenomorph shooting and adding that one scene would have stopped so much confusion scott tells it in a bad way but the xenomorphs and the engineers are meant to be the first organisms in the universe polar opposites one destroys one creates he's being really artsy fartsy with the whole thing the goo is meant to have come from the xenomorphs what david is doing is basically reassembling it back into the xenomorphs end the end none of it fucking matters because Alien 79 is a thing
You guys should really wait for Alien Awakening. it's both a prequel and sequel. Then Ridley said there will be another trilogy after the Alien Covenant prequel. it'll all make sense by 1979.
pestyoverlord I thought covenant was ok...the biggest problem with it (from hollywood's point of view) is that it doesn't make me want to watch Awakening...I could care less what happens after Covenant ends
"So the engineers made all natural life on earth, then humans made David and David made the xenomorph. So why is there a mural of a xenomorph in the engineer cave? That's fucking brilliant.
Time travel will be introduced in the next film as David will go back in time to show the Engineers the xenomorph and convince them to create the magical goo that he needs in the future to create the xenomorph.
"If David created the xenomorphs, facehuggers, and chest-bursters, how then, in the original Alien movie, did the Space Jockey become infested with a chestburster and killed so long ago that the crew of the Nostromo declared him 'fossilized and ancient'? How did such a large cache of David's facehugger eggs end up on an intact engineer ship? Hoooooowwwwww????"
David didn't create the aliens, the aliens are biological weapons that get bootstrapped up out of whatever biological substrate the black goo comes into contact with. I thought that was made very clear by the films? They practically announce it by showing the black goo canisters being stored in biological weapon storage silos, and the repeated emergence of the same patterns of alien like creatures from the black goo when it contacts other organic matter. The final alien xenomorph is the form of alien that results from the biological weapon interacting with terrestrial life, principally human. This is even made explicit in the old alien universe cannon with the pred-aliens, dog-alien in alien 3, etc. The engineer society regressession in implied to be because of the abandonment of technology after some horrible war using those biological weapons, and the engineer from the 2000 year old ship is the warrior on space roids from presumably the losing faction in that war hence why he was so bloodthirsty. David thinks he is perfecting the alien but he is just iterating the biological weapon as it would have done by itself anyway, he is a faulty and insane android that fundamentally does not understand what he is doing and thinks he is a creator when he is just acting as a delivery system for the later stages of the black goo biological weapon. black good--> biological substrate --> iteratively make more complex attack and spreading organisms, depending on the host biology, i.e. snake worms or flies or mutant zombie, etc--> keep iterating--> make eggs-->create xenomorph like creature from highest form of host, and intelligent and intact host --> xenomorphs can break into secure facilities and wage war against advanced opponents with environment suits, gather more hosts, etc --> make queen--> spread xenomorphs to other locations and even other planets via infected ships--> deny the enemy biospheres and kill them. War won. There you go. Literally none of this is anything other than a direct continuation of previously established alien cannon, and is made very clear throughout the films.
@@Azelketh just a shame the MOVIE didn't really explain any of this and people have to look into expanded lore and interviews with Scott to understand any of this. He fucked up.
@@Azelketh This interpretation has been mine as well, though I lack your eloquence. They're a weapon of terror. I always assumed that due to their extremely high metabolism, the xenomorphs drop dead after a couple of days, making cleanup that much easier for the Engineers.
@@Azelketh Then what is the point of following David's story if he isn't responsible for the Xenomorph's creation? Does he have any connection to the Space Jockey Engineer on LV-426? Because that one is so ancient it was fossilized, likely predating David's experiments by thousands of years. If David wasn't responsible for LV-426 then who was? And how is David's contribution to Xenomorph evolution relevant? And if he was somehow responsible for it, and they just retcon the age of the Space Jockey, How has anything that has happened logically lead up to the Nostromo incident? Why didn't anyone later investigate the planet where the Prometheus was sent and discover the Xenomorph goo before the Nostromo discovered those same aliens on LV-426 by sheer luck? Are these movies even prequels at all, or a separate story that uses the same universe and monster? This plot still makes no sense to me.
JBML007 And so? That's like going 'IGN gave this game an 8.5/10'. Critically speaking this movie is rushed, has a bad script, a lot of philosophy and exposition that likes to shove itself in your face, has way too many cuts....like you don't fking know how much time passes in so many places it is way too distracting, the soundtrack is nothing like Prometheus' gem etc. There are good points like the visuals and some scenes with the neomorph but there is also a lot of ugh. it would stay at a 5 or 6 for me.
yeah huge disappointment :/ rushed, weird pacing, too much focus on robots instead of humans. What made the first two Alien films so great was the emphasis on the CHARACTERS. you get invested in the horror and the action BECAUSE you care about Ripley and co. In Covenant there is zero of that.... they should have at least included the Prologue/Last Supper because there is so little character development and emphasis in Covenant. It's a mess, cardboard cutout characters and this weird hodgepodge of Prometheus + Alien. Not doing that hot at the box office so hopefully Fox finally gets some balls and lets someone else besides Scott handle the series
JBML007- the film actually has an average score on RT of 6.4 from critics. Not hot at all. the tomatometer simply rounds up positive or negative. Anything over like a 6/10 is considered 'positive' and counts towards a positive tomato.
Excuse me? I never said that. Also how does it prove my point wrong? Have you actual addressed any of the things I mentioned?? My comment was picking at how you are using one popular film website to decide whether or not a film is good hence why I compared what you said to some kid going ign gave this a 'insert meaningless score here'. You say it's great but haven't said why, you just hide behind critic's scores whereas I have already given reasons for why I find it a meh/ok movie. Critics for this movie have been mixed across the board, even when it came to the positive ones they weren't exactly sure 100 percent.
So in the Alien director commentary it was said that the xenomorph eggs were a weapon being transported to some planet, and I think somewhere it said the Prometheus planet was a military testing place, so David took their new shiny weapon, did crossbreeding somehow and got the old weapon that is nowhere near as effective. Amazing.
Jesus being an engineer reminds me of how every sci-fi turns Roswell into a pivotal moment where their in-universe aliens were the ones who crashed. Turns out anything you thought was mildly important in history was actually our canon all along!
He wanted to create the perfect organism.
But Rich Evans already exists.
He could eat Tums to be able to fight the xenomorph, the film title would be: Alien vs. Predator
Oh my God
"It also pointlessly and violently attacks everything it sees. These attacks usually result in its own death."
IT BROKE OLD GROUND
Nelson Mandela effect...
The wonderfull wizard of OLD!
It rhymes... like poetry
It broke old ground and fell right into the septic tank, where it drowned.
@NADS IQ what
How come when David entered the Covenant, the Mother AI didn't immediately tell everyone "Hey, this isn't the same robot."
Mother was off. They say that because of the explosions and shit it needed to recover.
Well, when they first enter the ship, yes, but then she's fine very shortly thereafter. You can clearly hear Mother's voice and see her affecting things in several sequences after David entered the Covenant and before he assumes control of the ship. Tennessee says that the computer needs to recover, you're right there, but then it does, and we see it happen, and we hear Mother talking while David is inside the ship. As soon as she reboots at 8 bells, she should be like "Wait a minute, this isn't the right robot." A better explanation is that David's "father" gave him a special override code that still works on Weyland Industries computer systems ten years after Weyland's death, and even that is incredibly threadbare. Or, put Mother aside, if modern (in the time in which Covenant takes place) robots can repair surface damage, how come no one asks about the facial injury? Daniels even helps him staple himself up, how come she never asks him why his on-board systems aren't taking care of that for him?
Plot holes as far as the eye can see.
Brian Sfinas Yeah, didn't notice that. The only excuse would be if David was the one fixing mother. Well, the movie make THE SAME mistakes that Prometheus had made.
Disappointed but not surprised.
The movie wouldn't make such a mistake it's called subtleties, David sent a signal or the computer identified David on the surface and shut down and restarted in a specialized operating mode
Lol @ the movie wouldn't make such a mistake. I think I upset a fanboi.
This was my first ever RLM video and I've now seen their entire catalog. I still love it so much.
Scientist Man needs to analyse this film
This movie isn't even complex enough for scientist man. Unless you count every bad human decision as complexity.
Everyone is entitled to their own ppinion
What would scientist man say about alien? The whole gag is that he does stupidly overly complex plots, the plot of alien was more or less oh shit this alien is killing everyone.
i heard Scientist Man is shooting for the the Justice league movie
Yeah, he did the Terminator movies, but those bad decisions are the producers', and not the characters in the movies as much. Skynet makes more dumb decisions than the human characters do. Those timelines are legitimately complicated enough to need unraveling.
Xenomorphs?? Pfff
Rich Evans is The "Perfect Organism".
Apart from his crippling diabetes.
Rich Evans also can't reproduce without the aid of another species
Oh my gaaaaaaawd ; you're so right.
You misspelled "orgasm" op
Scientist Man says...If the airborne virus creates the aliens, why make the eggs in the first place?
What comes first, the alien, or the egg ? And why do you have to break eggs to make an omelette ? Did they find an answer for that too ?
The house of Chaos But the xenomorph isn't the strongest organism. It's extremely reliant on having the perfect conditions for breeding and evolving. It needs a healthy host who will stick his head into an egg and then live for a few days to let the xenomorph grow. The spore aliens just need someone to sniff the black goo and a few hours to grow from nothing. Still, both species fail at providing longterm progeny and becoming part of the food chain without destroying it in a very short time, so they both fail at Darwinism.
It's the xeno-like creature that appears at the end of Prometheus.
I SAW FACEHUGGERS AND I CLAPPED
things i know
I CLAPPED BECAUSE I KNOW ALIEN
FG Poltergeist I KNOW WHAT THAT IS
THEY BROKE NEW GROUND!
OOO FACEHUGGERS, I'M GONNA CUUUUUUM - Rich Evans
mike is slowly becoming plinkett with each passing video
It's like they rhyme.
It's like poetry.
It's so dense.
Every single shot has so much going on.
Does that mean that Mike will eventually replace Plinkett?
Plaid on plaid, my favorite color.
Plaid is a pattern, not a color...
we have to get david working, he's the key to all of this
Why did the Engineer ship have scissors on it? They're all baldies.
Brad Shoemaker
Daaaaaamn. Didn't think of that.
They were more like hedge clippers...
We need a movie to explain why the engineers are bald
Drapes
Scissors aren’t just for hair.
Honestly if someone just gave David the blu ray steelbook of Lawrence of Arabia he'd probably just drop everything and sit and watch that for two years straight all over again.
lmao
Apparently he did in Prometheus
Inb4 reboot of Lawrence of Arabia with Fassbender as Lawrence.
someone already has that username I don't need it i have the widescreen VHS
AudieHolland I got the widescreen VHS
Why did it only take a few seconds for the face huggers to impregnate people in this film when in the original it took a few hours
The worst thing for me is the ending, where she immediately knows it's David and not Walter based off the cabin thing. She then acts like she had suspicions, but the movie never shows us that anyone is suspicious of him........ever!
And how does Mother not know David isn't Walter either? I thought Mother would alert the crew but I guess she didn't fucking care.
I wouldn't say that her screaming and punching her cryo tube case is really acting like she had suspicions.
They were a different breed of face huggers, or less evolved etc.
Jaden Oldfield wouldn't it take longer if it was less evolved
but if the face huggers were less evolved in this film, why did they impregnate people FASTER then the original, more evolved facehugger from the first movie.
Like christ did Ridley even watch his own movie.
Ridley Scott going back to Alien is like Leonardo Devinci deciding that, after thirty years, the Mona Lisa could be improved by giving her a big moustache
Marcel Duchamp already kinda did that
I mean she is Italian, it would be more accurate.
@@Gitfiddle I'm more of a music guy. But many friends I grew up with actually are art majors
@@Gitfiddle How arrogant
It'd be him giving her a pair of Google glass(es).
0:29 this shot is an artistic achievement
it's all explained in the novels guys, this means the movie is good
Does it explain why everyone is really dumb?
Been in this place long enough, for not being able to know if this is sarcasm, or a serious answer.
One comic does explain a lot of what happened in the Prometheus planet.
2 subs depends on why you would consider something good. I personally like when a franchise trancends its medium. However by its nature a franchise like that just isnt going to be popular
Is there an audiobook of the novels? That would be really helpful seeing as how I'm illiterate.
Ah, THERE'S the Data/Lore reference I was expecting.
you're mom gay
Do I have to watch Star Trak: Deep Space Voyager 1-6 before I can watch 7?
THESE ARE THINGS I KNOW
Here's how I think it went down:
Ridley: I JUST WANT TO MAKE MY BIG EPIC THESIS ON DEATH AND CREATION.
[points to John Logan, et al]
Ridley: YOU. YOU FIGURE OUT HOW DAVID GOES FROM HEAD IN A DUFFLE BAG TO SUPREME BAD GUY.
[John, et al go and crack open a used copy of Star Trek TNG Season 1, try and write scenarios, give up after 30 minutes, and just crib the plot to 'Datalore']
Everyone created everyone else. It's like they rhyme.
2:53 the perfectly cut laughter has me dying
No question about how the super advanced alien species got entirely wiped out by one android using tech that's over 2000 years old? It's like if a caveman time travelled to the Roman Empire, grabbed some gear, then time travelled again to now and took down the United States military with his fucking chariot and gladius that he just discovered.
brb writing screenplay
lol! Yeah people just overlook all the years separating these events. The weapons lab went down 2000 years ago so that ship would have been horrendously outdated unless this advanced race inexplicably went backwards despite having been an advanced species for presumably millions of years. Dumb! Dumb! Dumb!
You know there's bacteria in the arctic ice that are incredibly dangerous, so once the ice melts we'd get to experience the consequences. Doesn't matter that they've been dormant for thousands of years if we haven't been worried about them.
Engineer civilization had been in a state of decline for millennia, possibly following their own civil war. Simple concept.
And why did none of the Engineers say, "hey look, it's one of our biological warfare ships from 2,000 years ago that's not responding to our hails and has no life forms aboard. Let's let it land."
@Thread Bomb: Funny as fuck comment man😅😅
2:54 Mike cracks 😆😆
very cool, very cool!
I believe it was Rich Evans that was about to crack
lagg1e lol I think you may be right
Can we get another version of this, but with Rich Evans just depressingly sitting in the background for no reason?
He already died from crippling diabeetus.
Covenant is proof that the Alien series died with Dan O'bannon.
Where does the engineer ship on LV426 that the crew of the Nostromo found tie into this? Does David at some point make contact with the engineers to sell them a bunch of his Uncle David's Homemad Xenomorph Eggs? The events of this prequel arc and the original movies don't tie up. Don't tell me they're going to do another one of these movies? Just take this franchise round the back of the shed and put it out of its misery fam.
I think Ridley simply has just gone senile and doesn't give a shit about any of the stories he previously worked on.
if david goes to infect the whole planet of earth on next movie, that would be kind of neat visually. that would also be canon, whole earth did get infected with aliens in the comics in the big war. humanity lost.
@@Redmanticore that didn't happen until sometime between Alien 3 and Resurrection. The fall of Earth is chronicled in a few comics and the arcade game Aliens Armageddon.
Why is that Engineer gigantic, but the Engineer in Prometheus is only around 8 feet tall?
When I first saw David with the long hair, my mind honestly went to, "oh he took Shaw's hair and attached it to his head....wait, what?" That's how stupid this movie made me. I was more interested in why an android could grow hair than the rest of the plot.
LOL
Why does a hyper-advanced, space faring race capable of interstellar travel wear burlap sacks for clothing?
don't kink shame
Yeah I mean, why would they have their own cultural tastes? It's not like there are cultures on earth with actual technology that wear what amounts to sacks now.
Also why is this hyper-advanced, SPACE faring species only situated in one city on one planet.
They just borrowed the leftover costumes from the last Star Trek Next Generation movie.
They weren't in one city on one planet. For fucks sake.
It's explicitly explained that *all animal life on Paradise is dead.* It wouldn't matter how many cities there were, the neomorphs and spores created by Davids black goo bombing of one city spread over the entire planet and purged all non plant based life on it, down to insects.
Where does David get all his science equipment? Did David go back to the Prometheus planet to go pick it up? If the Engineers were 10 feet tall, why was all the furniture in David's laboratory made for a human? Did David have a wood working shop? Where did David get all the paper he was writing on? Where did he get his pens/pencils? Where did he get that feather pen in his human sized laboratory? Were there birds on Engineer Planet? Did all the birds turn into birthing machines for various xenomorph prototypes after he dropped the black goo bombs on the public and made a bio virus that somehow replicates across the planet and squirts out onto everything/anything biological? The planet would be crawling with them (the prototype xenomorphs). When you get a tour of David's laboratory, you see a bust of a humanoid. Where did David get this body? David also shows captain man some failed prototypes. Who did David experiment on? Shaw would be only good for one experiment, and David apparently killed every Engineer, so how were they made? With what were the Alien eggs made out of? Did he synthesize them out of stuff hanging around in the Engineer's closets? Wouldn't the rain of black goo ruin that? Why did Ridley Scott decide to dump everything from Prometheus and decide to make a d-list monster movie?
I agree with everything you said. I personally liked Prometheus because it had potential and I hoped dearly the second movie would expand and actually make use of the set up. So disappointed.
Everything looked like he made it himself to me.
Just when I thought I'd watched every RLM video 5+ times, I find one I haven't seen yet. Truly a Merry Christmas.
you can seamlessly change the word xenomorph with Rich Evans, and it instantly makes the video new and elevates the hilarity 10x
Why does Rich Evans attack everyone he sees?
Why did the chest-burster hatchling look like a little tiny version of an alien? Instead of the way that it looked before? It came out of the same-looking egg and grew up to be the same-looking Rich Evans.
I tried, it's not that funny
@@nicmanza4657 10 x 0 is still 0.....subtlety....
@@nicktipton5675 lol
Did Jay just correct Mike in the Star Trek Lore?
Capitalization on point.
THEY BROKE NEW GROUND!
Well to be fair, Mike probably wrote the script.
Why is Ridley Scott so enamoured with Fasbender? Is he boning the actor? Thanks, Ridley Scott... for that gross image.
I saw that he did and I CLAAAAAAAAAPED
Thank fuck Ridley Scott didn't direct Blade Runner 2049.
yeah well that really didnt make a difference did it.
@@nedimgery-buyukyuksel513 It made a difference. Blade Runner 2049 was actually, you know, a good movie.
Holy fuck it's been 5 years since Prometheus, I feel so old :(
You get like, time vertigo if you think back to the part of your life spanning between your 13th and 18th birthday and then think that's how long it's been since Prometheus came out.
Now it’s been 8 years :^)
How old do you feel now?
Ridley Scott is taking a giant George Lucas style dump over his own legacy.
It is not George Lucas, it's Disney. Despite hate bandwagon, prequels, in fact, extended SW universe, not killed it.
The prequels, in fact, ruined Star Wars.
@@KellicTiger Ridley ruined Alien more than George Lucas.
Baltasarmk George Lucas fucked up Star Wars. Disney Fucked up Last Jedi.
The blue men are the key to all this, if we get the blue men working.
Why did the colony vessel have only one landing craft? It couldn't fly in atmosphere and they had to get those colonists down somehow.
How did the lady who wandered off to wash her wounds manage to scream after being decapitated?
How did David get his body back? He was a head at the end of Prometheus and it seems unlikely that the alien spaceship would have the tools required to rebuild him.
Why did the Covenant recognise David at the end of the film? There's no reason that it should be programmed to accept orders from anyone who is not a member of the crew, but it obeys him and refers to him by name.
You could really do this all day. May as well save yourself that day by calling this film a squalid toilet fire and moving on.
The worst part is that all this could have been fixed and patched up by a single attentive fan of the Alien universe. Or just someone with common said that watched the previous movie and paid attention.
why all engineers lived in one city?! there is a huge planet, but they all decided to live in one place?
Aleksandrs Keišs Movie Logic!
@vsGoliath and that explains how that these specific engineers lived in one city?
some People believe they were not Engineers but a Humanoid race created by the Engineers.. another Theory suggests that they were a different kind of Engineers.. more "monk-like" and less Tech oriented
Don't think about it...
@@alexb.e7498 In the leaked script they are the Engineers and they only look different b/c of budget cuts :'D
3 years on and I'm still laughing more than I have at most comedy specials.
Jay is too handsome now to make those slow face zooms comedic.
Give it 30 years and he’ll finally reach mikes age and peak
All these complaints and not my biggest one: how did David in less than a minute, perfectly replicate Walter's appearance?
This would involve dyeing and cutting his hair, healing many of his facial wounds (mainly the stab wound under his chin which Danny would remember) and giving himself the same wounds as Walter, swapping uniforms, and burning off his left hand. That's a busy minute!
Sure was also convinient that the alien embryo he had swallowed (presumably he planned to be captured and engineered this long in advance) neatly slotted into the spaces on the covenant. It would suck if they were slightly too big to fit conveniently.
Yeah it's not like he had regrowth at his roots and robots are totally always slower than people so it's not like he might be exceptionally good at it-
Oh.
Well sure, he'd need to replicate the wounds walter had, it's not like no one saw the fights that resulted in the injuries apart from the severed hand which is easy enough and it's not like androids don't bleed-
Oh.
I mean it totally took a minute though, it's not like movies use cuts with time happening between them-
Oh.
it's not like Weyland Yutani is a company that would have an interest in things being standardized shapes, or that it'd be common practice for medical equiptment to be standardized like in the modern world-
Oh.
But I'm totally sure you paid attention to the movie.
+Hauge sen Woah you're S A V A G E :^)
how about he just transferred his conscience into Walter's brain? That would make sense :)
Oniric They make up enough stuff with no warning in the movie that sure, that seems possible.
If David overwrote Walter's mind with his own, I figured he'd benefit from Walter's healing ability, and thus no staples required for his facial wound. The lack of chin wound may have been some overlooked continuity error.
The only missing piece here is David's voice was slightly damaged in his fight with Walter, yet it was perfectly fine later. However if he had mind-swiped with Walter, he'd have had no time to run to his lab and swallow some encapsulated facehuggers. I hope the DVD answers some things. Lope included: I figured Lope was impregnated by David using another smuggled specimen. He barely wore the facehugger long enough.
RIDLEY SCOTT is the new GEORGE LUCAS. FUCKING UP HIS OWN FRANCHISE BY CREATING AN INCOHERENT MESS. Should have left it alone dude,... should have left it alone.
What about this movie was incoherent?
Except the Alien franchise was never really his. The original Alien movie was mostly Dan O'Bannon's vision. He wrote the screenplay with some rewrites done by other people. It was also O'Bannon's idea to get Giger to design the alien. Scott was hired to direct and he did an excellent job with it but it was really just a job, but Alien wasn't an "auteur film" it was a studio film that was great because it happened to have a great crew working on it and, to be honest, because of a few happy accidents. Scott now seems to have gotten it in his head that he is the single visionary behind the Alien series and now this arrogance is ruing it.
Dark Star was Dan's goofy student-film version of Alien.
+sergeantshroom Agreed. Sure, Ridley Scott has Blade Runner and Alien on is resume, but he hasn't really done a single other thing worth a damn. I think he just got lucky with Alien and Blade Runner because in truth, most of his movies aren't very good.
Fuck that shit opinion. Not even Lucas fucked up the canon as bad as Ridley fucked the Alien canon. Lucas only tried to explain why the Force was stronger with some and not others (midiclorean count). Nothing else we saw in the prequels fucked up what was in the OT. Nothing in the prequels damaged or destroyed what we saw in the OT. Meanwhile, Ridley Scott's Alien Covenant goes out of its fucking way to destroy the myth of the xenomorph. Making it impossible to watch covenant and then watching '77 Alien without noticing all the fucking contradictions. So fuck you for saying Ridley is the new Lucas. When in reality, Ridley went well and beyond what Lucas did wrong in the prequels. No comparison at all. Fuck you, bitch. Ridley effectively has destroyed the Alien franchise. It will be hard for anyone to care for it anymore. While people have always had faith in Star Wars. Prequels made more money than your entire fucking ape-like family tree will ever make in an eternity
I think Ridley Scott unfortunately shares a problem with George Lucas. He's no longer surrounded by people who can help him give all his ideas second thoughts (or outright tell him some of the ideas are stupid).
Also, if you're going to fix the problems of the previous entry, totally ignoring them and pretending they never happened are not actually fixing them. That's just lazy and stupid.
Then again, The Martian was great. That's why I had high hopes for Covenant.
Heck, All the Money in the World seems pretty good, too, so I'd say he's still a much better director than George Lucas.
Yeah but Ridley Scott has the excuse of being half in the grave. He understood his own movies and the universe at one poiny. George Lucas NEVER understood the Star Wars universe. The others who helped on the script and movie did. I wish George Lucas divorced his then wife and then pulled a Hemingway after the original trilogy. Then we would be better off. If he left it to the open domain that would of been hilarious.
@@qweqqweq2090 Blame came out decades later, you fell for a meme.
they cut out a scene where david explains he didn't create the xenomorph shooting and adding that one scene would have stopped so much confusion
scott tells it in a bad way but the xenomorphs and the engineers are meant to be the first organisms in the universe polar opposites one destroys one creates
he's being really artsy fartsy with the whole thing the goo is meant to have come from the xenomorphs what david is doing is basically reassembling it back into the xenomorphs end the end none of it fucking matters because Alien 79 is a thing
I'm convinced they made this movie just to create plot holes in all of the others
I'm convinced they only whore out this hot garbage because of $$$$$$$
Was Rich Evans created with black goo ?
paul L. No, it's the other way around...Rich Evans creates black goo when he cums out of a Darth Vader helmet
Well he is the perfect creation, so it make sense. More so than the movie. :D
No. He was created with white goo... the same way as you.
He mostly comes at night . . . mostly
Who the FUCK is Rich Evans?
I love when you guys make videos like these it makes the sadness inside go away
Really hope someone made Ridley Scott watch this. . .
Me, personally, I love this video
I love how Nerd Crew memes have all but replaced Lucas prequel memes.
Walther Stolzing They're better memes than we ever had before.
You guys should really wait for Alien Awakening. it's both a prequel and sequel. Then Ridley said there will be another trilogy after the Alien Covenant prequel. it'll all make sense by 1979.
pestyoverlord I thought covenant was ok...the biggest problem with it (from hollywood's point of view) is that it doesn't make me want to watch Awakening...I could care less what happens after Covenant ends
pestyoverlord No.
Never again. I'm done with this franchise.
I think you will be waiting for a while.
I love their monotone voice when explaining things, just cracks me up.
Remember when they called the help line on the back of the Prometheus box and asked questions about the movie?
I fucking love this channel.
"Mike, Rich just found out he has terminal cancer."
"Oh, that actually reminds me a lot of that one time in Star Trek..."
This is the video - well the original one - that started my RLM journey.
"So the engineers made all natural life on earth, then humans made David and David made the xenomorph. So why is there a mural of a xenomorph in the engineer cave?
That's fucking brilliant.
Time travel will be introduced in the next film as David will go back in time to show the Engineers the xenomorph and convince them to create the magical goo that he needs in the future to create the xenomorph.
Ronin Dave the sad thing is...isn't this the best answer that there is?
NADS IQ well ridley _is_ like 80 year old so who knows
You guys are great ! this gave me such a great laugh lol I love how you ask all da questions,
plus when you said Cosmic Coincidence ha ha loved it lol
"If David created the xenomorphs, facehuggers, and chest-bursters, how then, in the original Alien movie, did the Space Jockey become infested with a chestburster and killed so long ago that the crew of the Nostromo declared him 'fossilized and ancient'? How did such a large cache of David's facehugger eggs end up on an intact engineer ship? Hoooooowwwwww????"
David didn't create the aliens, the aliens are biological weapons that get bootstrapped up out of whatever biological substrate the black goo comes into contact with. I thought that was made very clear by the films? They practically announce it by showing the black goo canisters being stored in biological weapon storage silos, and the repeated emergence of the same patterns of alien like creatures from the black goo when it contacts other organic matter. The final alien xenomorph is the form of alien that results from the biological weapon interacting with terrestrial life, principally human. This is even made explicit in the old alien universe cannon with the pred-aliens, dog-alien in alien 3, etc.
The engineer society regressession in implied to be because of the abandonment of technology after some horrible war using those biological weapons, and the engineer from the 2000 year old ship is the warrior on space roids from presumably the losing faction in that war hence why he was so bloodthirsty.
David thinks he is perfecting the alien but he is just iterating the biological weapon as it would have done by itself anyway, he is a faulty and insane android that fundamentally does not understand what he is doing and thinks he is a creator when he is just acting as a delivery system for the later stages of the black goo biological weapon.
black good--> biological substrate --> iteratively make more complex attack and spreading organisms, depending on the host biology, i.e. snake worms or flies or mutant zombie, etc--> keep iterating--> make eggs-->create xenomorph like creature from highest form of host, and intelligent and intact host --> xenomorphs can break into secure facilities and wage war against advanced opponents with environment suits, gather more hosts, etc --> make queen--> spread xenomorphs to other locations and even other planets via infected ships--> deny the enemy biospheres and kill them. War won.
There you go.
Literally none of this is anything other than a direct continuation of previously established alien cannon, and is made very clear throughout the films.
@@Azelketh just a shame the MOVIE didn't really explain any of this and people have to look into expanded lore and interviews with Scott to understand any of this.
He fucked up.
@@Azelketh This interpretation has been mine as well, though I lack your eloquence.
They're a weapon of terror.
I always assumed that due to their extremely high metabolism, the xenomorphs drop dead after a couple of days, making cleanup that much easier for the Engineers.
@@Azelketh Ridley Scott said David creates the xeno…
@@Azelketh Then what is the point of following David's story if he isn't responsible for the Xenomorph's creation? Does he have any connection to the Space Jockey Engineer on LV-426? Because that one is so ancient it was fossilized, likely predating David's experiments by thousands of years. If David wasn't responsible for LV-426 then who was? And how is David's contribution to Xenomorph evolution relevant? And if he was somehow responsible for it, and they just retcon the age of the Space Jockey, How has anything that has happened logically lead up to the Nostromo incident? Why didn't anyone later investigate the planet where the Prometheus was sent and discover the Xenomorph goo before the Nostromo discovered those same aliens on LV-426 by sheer luck? Are these movies even prequels at all, or a separate story that uses the same universe and monster? This plot still makes no sense to me.
Why did TH-cam recommend this to me three and a half years after I've already watched it?
Because the algorithm has noticed that "People who watch this video also watched this video."
it's good to see mike and jay wearing their everyday clothes :3
I don't know why I only found this video of yours now, but I loved it.
Ridley Scott is doing the what George Lucas did with star wars prequels.
Aaron Carnes: I give you the like. Becouse no one other understands the joke. ;)
Worse
Its been a week since I saw Covenant and im still pissed off. Thanks Ridley Scott.
JBML007 And so? That's like going 'IGN gave this game an 8.5/10'. Critically speaking this movie is rushed, has a bad script, a lot of philosophy and exposition that likes to shove itself in your face, has way too many cuts....like you don't fking know how much time passes in so many places it is way too distracting, the soundtrack is nothing like Prometheus' gem etc. There are good points like the visuals and some scenes with the neomorph but there is also a lot of ugh. it would stay at a 5 or 6 for me.
JBML007 use IMDB. And it's sitting at a 6.9/10 last I checked.
yeah huge disappointment :/ rushed, weird pacing, too much focus on robots instead of humans. What made the first two Alien films so great was the emphasis on the CHARACTERS. you get invested in the horror and the action BECAUSE you care about Ripley and co. In Covenant there is zero of that.... they should have at least included the Prologue/Last Supper because there is so little character development and emphasis in Covenant. It's a mess, cardboard cutout characters and this weird hodgepodge of Prometheus + Alien. Not doing that hot at the box office so hopefully Fox finally gets some balls and lets someone else besides Scott handle the series
JBML007-
the film actually has an average score on RT of 6.4 from critics. Not hot at all. the tomatometer simply rounds up positive or negative. Anything over like a 6/10 is considered 'positive' and counts towards a positive tomato.
Excuse me? I never said that. Also how does it prove my point wrong? Have you actual addressed any of the things I mentioned?? My comment was picking at how you are using one popular film website to decide whether or not a film is good hence why I compared what you said to some kid going ign gave this a 'insert meaningless score here'. You say it's great but haven't said why, you just hide behind critic's scores whereas I have already given reasons for why I find it a meh/ok movie. Critics for this movie have been mixed across the board, even when it came to the positive ones they weren't exactly sure 100 percent.
Love your work!
You guys always have the best sets.
This video seems like a visual imitation of a RedLetterMedia production.
i couldn't stop laughing. these guys are fucking gold.
That Anthony Fantano Needle drop vest makes this a strong 9 to a light 10
I love you guys... very satisfyin to listen to after the immense theater frustration. And yes, clearly a case for Scientist Man!
So in the Alien director commentary it was said that the xenomorph eggs were a weapon being transported to some planet, and I think somewhere it said the Prometheus planet was a military testing place, so David took their new shiny weapon, did crossbreeding somehow and got the old weapon that is nowhere near as effective. Amazing.
Jesus being an engineer reminds me of how every sci-fi turns Roswell into a pivotal moment where their in-universe aliens were the ones who crashed. Turns out anything you thought was mildly important in history was actually our canon all along!
I think these are my favorite bits that these guys do. mike is the deadpan humor king
This made my day! Thanks guys. Thanks Ridley Scott.
Is this replaci... what am I doing with my life?
If he doesn't end it his crippling diabetes will.
Is Laci Green a replicant?
Is a replicant replacing Laci Green?
I collapsed and suffocated in my own tears of laughter in the first 50 seconds. Thank you guys.
I love these 'talks about's, do more please!!!
2:55 not even Mike can contain his laugh
Damnit, these guys certainly know how to dress well!
Aphextwins77 Don'cha know?
First, there were Siskel and Ebert and now we have Mike and Jay.
Jay needs to go bald and Mike needs to get fatter..just a bit fatter.
Splice Rich Evans DNA into Mike, a new Rich-Mike hybrid
I loved it. One of your best. Of course, your source material was just so juicy. :)
This is the first video I ever saw on this channel. Love your enthusiasm! Subscribed!
I know they don’t make videos this way but the idea that they came in to shoot this video and then went home for a week is very funny
4:51 Why do I feel like Mike accurately predicted the end of Star Trek: Picard?
The first thing of Red Letter Media that I saw was their Prometheus sketch like this. Been a huge fan ever since. Love this, so funny!
I needed this today.
So Ridley Scott uses the story of Jesus to try and create some depth & validity to his Aliens story. A bit pathetic really.
Jesus, I'm so sorry you had to be in this movie, please forgive us Lord.
Especially when you consider that the Bible itself is complete bullshit story. Don't try to enhance a good story with a bullshit story.
+Charles Okonkwo WOW, EDGY
Excellent comment, fellow redditor! Have an upvote and a tip of my fedora!
MAybe Jesus inspired him, to warn everyone to stop fucking up or he's gonna black goo the world
People said that Prometheus was dumb , this one is even worst.....
@Brian Mcbrian: No, your wrong comparative is. The movie is just worse.
Brian Mcbrian worser*
good to know, English isnt my first language
FYI he was joking: it's not "worser" it's "worse"
+Edam L yup
Can we please get more of these types of videos. I love them
This was awesome, you should do more like this XD
The most amazing thing about Covenant is, it's even worse than Prometheus.
I am Ridley's inflamed sense of rejection.
I clapped when I saw xenomorph's red lightsaber.
I absolutely love the little touch of all those pill bottles in the background.
How on Earth does this movie have have a 71% score on Rottentomatoes? Every single review of it I've seen outside of RT has been negative.
RT now there is a name you can't trust.
RT is an aggregator of reviews all over the web, not a procurer of its own reviews
Did you send a copy of this to ridley scott? Because he needs to explain this shit!
After Jay makes the Burger King joke you can hear the edited snort of Mike about to lose it.
I love the prescription bottles next to the beer bottles in the background!
Thanks Ridley Scott!
I saw Jay's old haircut and I CLAPPED!
3:06 "Im smarter than a xnmrf"
zenimurf
I hope ridley scott sees this and feels that death stare at the end
Indeed.
Thanks Ridley Scott.
i love how the hammer is still in the wall from the civil war video
Why didn't Rich Evans appear in this motion picture?
He has too much charisma
Crippling diabetes
Busy making Rich Evans plushies.
Y'all are fantastic.
You guys did it again